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--- Log opened Tue Apr 23 00:00:41 2002 --- Day changed Tue Apr 23 2002 00:03 < esden> SMP: kannst dir nen uebersetzer einbauen der dir solche unwuerter uebersetzt ;-) 00:04 < SMP> ja, /ignore 00:06 < holyolli> *fg* 00:07 < esden> SMP: ist echt schuen empfindlich meiner meinung nach :-) 00:07 < esden> aber ich werde versuchen mich zu bessern *g* 00:08 < holyolli> SMP: dann schreib dir doch mal nen proggy, was so richtig gut funzt. wenn du es fertich hast, kannst du es ja an meine addy schicken ;-))) *witzmach* 00:08 < holyolli> *schonmalindeckunggeh* 00:08 < SMP> :->> 00:08 < esden> *looool* 00:09 < esden> hmm ... dass war glaube ich auch nicht erlaubt 00:09 < esden> man darf ja die buchstaben nicht zu oft wiederholen ... 00:09 < SMP> esden: bleh 00:10 < esden> :P 00:13 < esden> ich baue morgen die 4G platte in meine alpha rein ... ich habe jetzt echt keine lust mehr. die platte war eigentlich fuer die ss10 gedacht aber ich brauche die dringender da. ich habe dann endlich ein funktionierendes system ... ich hoffe dann mal dass ich dann nicht so viel zeit verschwaenden muss ... 00:14 < holyolli> esden: viel erfolg...ich bastel erstma bei aboot weiter :) 00:14 < esden> soo aber jetzt gehe ich ne rauchen. dann gehe ich langsam heim. ich weiss dass es niemanden interessiert was ich hier schreibe aber meine finger jucken so schreklich da kann ich nichts dafuer. 00:15 < holyolli> esden: passt schon ;-)) 00:15 < esden> holyolli: ja sicher 00:16 < rxr> esden: ich lese auch nocht ;-) Nur weiter so. 00:18 < esden> ok ich werde dann euch weiter unterhalten ... 00:19 < esden> rxr: hast du ausser dem dunkelblauen welche einwende was dass syntax file angeht ? 00:19 < rxr> du bist eh jeden Tag auf Platz 1 der irs-stat ... ,) 00:19 < holyolli> ihr könnt mich auch mal unterhalten...warum findet Build-Pkg ein packet nicht...? ;) 00:20 < rxr> holyolli: cut'n paste error msg 00:20 < holyolli> ich hab es in scripts/packages eingebaut und in base-config auch das verzeichnis angelegt 00:20 < esden> ich werde dann ne mail an vim.org schreiben 00:20 < holyolli> snoopy:/mnt/net# scripts/Build-Pkg aboot 00:20 < holyolli> == 01:04:42 04/23/02 =[5]=> No such package: aboot ! 00:20 < holyolli> ;) 00:20 < rxr> esden: noe - sah bisher ganz nett aus (habe es aber noch nicht richtig benutzt ...) 00:20 < holyolli> snoopy:/mnt/net# ls base-config/aboot/ 00:20 < holyolli> . .. aboot.conf aboot.desc aboot.pz devlevel.txt 00:21 < esden> holyolli: puzzle ? ;-) 00:21 < holyolli> jo 00:21 < holyolli> getan ;) 00:21 < holyolli> also in der INDEX steht das prog drin... 00:21 < holyolli> snoopy:/mnt/net# cat base-archive/INDEX | grep aboot 00:21 < holyolli> 2057779822 aboot/aboot-0.9.tar.gz https://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aboot/ 00:21 < esden> hmm wo sucht Build-Pkg denn sonnst noch ... 00:22 < esden> rxr: dann benutze es mal ... ich werde dann jetzt ne mail an die schreiben ... spaeter kann man es eh hoffentlich updaten 00:25 < rxr> esden: ja - nach dem schlafen ;-) 00:32 < esden> mail out 00:32 < esden> ok i go home now 00:32 < esden> cheers 00:32 < esden> n8 00:32 < holyolli> n8 esden 00:33 < rxr> n8 00:38 < rxr> I switch off, too - cu 00:38 < holyolli> cu rxr 00:38 < t[an]> bye 01:51 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("Connection reset by telekom") 02:07 < hackbard> bye 02:07 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807BDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:57 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-168-212.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:05 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-128-143.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:41 < huebi> moin 06:46 < huebi> hmm, alle noch reanimierungsbeduerftig. Ich komme spaeter wieder. :-> 06:56 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-128-143.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:01 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-128-143.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:40 < huebi> hi rxr 07:44 < praenti_ZzZ> huebI. da? 07:44 -!- praenti_ZzZ is now known as praneti 07:44 -!- praneti is now known as praenti 07:47 < praenti> huebi: falls du reinschaust. ich brauch ne shell sonst geht kein :ext:praenti@rocklinux.dyndns.org... 07:47 < praenti> muss jetzt zum frühstück jagen 07:53 < praenti> und ind fh 08:29 < huebi> praenti: login geht jetzt. 08:46 -!- rxr is now known as RXR 08:46 -!- RXR is now known as rxr 08:46 < rxr> Moin! 08:48 < huebi> moin rxr 09:05 < huebi> make PARALLELMFLAGS=-j8 <- compile option for glibc (at least 2.1.3) for multiple compile processes :-) 09:06 < huebi> rxr: libdb.so.3 is a link in glibc 2.1.3 to libdb.so 09:08 < rxr> why are u running glibc 2.1.3 ? 09:08 < huebi> rxr: The solution for the missing libdb.so.3 in glibc 2.2.5 is to compile glibc 2.1.3 and to copy libdb.so from glibc 2.1.3 to /usr/lib/libdb.so.3. There are no file conflicts 09:08 < huebi> rxr: I'm running rock 1.5.14 09:09 < huebi> rxr: But I need Oracle 8.1.7 running on Rock 1.5.14. 09:09 < huebi> Oracle is comiled on RedHat 6.x, a glibc 2.1.3 system 09:09 < huebi> +p 09:10 < rxr> urgs ... 09:10 < huebi> And I can not start the apache included in Oracle because this apache is linked against libdb.so.3 from glibc 2.1.3. 09:12 < huebi> On the other hand to recompile an actuall version of apache is recomended. But there are support issues with oracle. 09:13 < huebi> Oracle is crap. They dynamically relink all there binarys while installation. So you need an allmost complete development system on a production machine. 09:15 < huebi> I write an oracle extension for Rock :-) 09:15 < huebi> If one is not experienced with Oracle one could need a few weeks to find that out. 09:24 < th> morgn 09:24 < th> huebi: wie ich sehe, praenti hat sich schon wegen account gemeldet ;) 09:26 < rxr> th: moin! 09:27 < th> moin rxr 09:27 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:29 < huebi> hi th, hi tsa 09:29 < tsa> moin huebi 09:29 < tsa> moin auch an den Rest.. 09:29 < huebi> tsa: Mein Oracleproblem loest sich gerade. :-) 09:30 < tsa> hm....welches oracle-problem? 09:30 * tsa kann auch ohne oracle probleme haben....mit geht's aber einfacher ;) 09:30 < huebi> Oracle will beim Installieren fuer den Apache libdb.so.3 haben. Die gibt's aber nur in der glibc 2.1.3 09:31 < tsa> welche ora-version? 09:31 < huebi> 8.1.7 09:31 < huebi> Entenscheiss Edition ;> 09:31 < tsa> hehe... 09:33 < huebi> Oracle macht doch Werbung mit "Unbreackable". Wenn die uralt apaches mitliefern und auf deren Benutzung bestehen, dann kommen die aber mit ihrem Marketinggetoene nicht sehr weit. 09:35 < rxr> und weg ... 09:35 -!- rxr is now known as rxr_fh 09:35 < huebi> rxr: und tchuess 09:35 < huebi> :-) 09:55 < fake> mornin 09:56 < fake> jmd da? 09:58 < tsa> sicher das. 09:58 < fake> das gut. 09:58 < tsa> moin auch 09:59 < fake> wieso failed bei den letzten snaps (1.7) bdb? 09:59 < fake> die letzte meldung ist `docs/utility/db_verify.html' -> `/usr/doc/bdb/utility/db_verify.html' 09:59 < fake> kein gejammer und nix 10:04 < fake> ... 10:04 < fake> nicht gleich alle auf einmal... 10:12 < fake> er hat sie auch brav und richtig kopiert 10:14 < fake> ... 10:15 < fake> gibt patch etwas != 0 zurueck wenn es fuzz braucht? 10:17 < fake> es wuerde compilen - wenn er versuchen wuerde es zu compilen 10:18 < tsa> hm....gute frage... 10:18 < fake> er startet gar keine compile 10:18 < fake> aber im 3-bdb.err stehen nur schoene sachen 10:18 < fake> aber keine ausgabe von configure und nix 10:18 < fake> ohne bdb failed natuerlich exim und gtk... und damit gnome 10:20 < fake> now it's the same with libsafe 10:21 < tsa> hm.....bdb.conf sieht eigentlich ok aus... 10:22 < tsa> ich seh so auf die schnelle keinen grund, warum das nicht laufen sollte... 10:26 < fake> tsa: ich schau auch grade,,, 10:26 < fake> wenn ich in die conf in das main_bdb irgendwas reinschreibe 10:26 < fake> also... 10:26 < fake> echo "--------------> Kuckuck <-----------" 10:26 < fake> dann taucht das nicht im log auf. 10:28 < tsa> hm......kannst du mit dem gleichen build-tree andere packages ohne probleme bauen? 10:30 < fake> jop 10:30 < fake> ich hab alles ausser bdb und safelib und die die drauf dependen gebaut 10:32 < tsa> hm......das ist seltsam.... 10:32 < fake> scho, gae 10:32 < tsa> vielleicht irgendwelche kaputten whitespaces etc in .desc/.conf? 10:33 < tsa> im zweifelsfall mal .conf per hand neu schreiben oder so... 10:33 < tsa> was besseres faellt mir grade auch nicht mehr ein dazu.. 10:34 < fake> hm... 10:38 < fake> *aaargh* 10:38 < fake> *indentischbeisst* 10:39 < fake> ich krisch die kriese 10:39 < fake> da geh ich doch erstmal eine rauchen 10:40 < tsa> hehe.... 10:43 < tsa> huebi: bissu da? 10:49 -!- praenti_ [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:50 -!- praenti [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:50 < fake> i'm gettin closer... 10:50 < fake> when exactly is cust_main executed? 10:51 < fake> ah 10:51 < fake> Build-Pkg 10:51 < fake> it is evaled 10:55 * tsa hoping clifford will turn up soon... 10:57 < huebi> re 10:57 < tsa> ahh.. 10:57 < tsa> huebi: 10:58 < tsa> [D] 1588059065 ettercap-0.6.5.tar.gz https://ettercap.sourceforge.net/download/ 10:59 < huebi> tsa: ist das packet neu? 10:59 < tsa> huebi: update. 10:59 < huebi> :-) 10:59 < tsa> zumindest fuer 1.7, ich weiss nicht, ob du das in 1.5 ueberhaupt hast. 10:59 < huebi> tsa: nee, hab ich nicht. 11:00 < huebi> is aber sinnvoll 11:00 < huebi> weil CD is nur halbvoll 11:00 * tsa updating ettercap on sf cvs.. 11:06 < fake> the conf fil is correct... 11:06 < fake> aber Build-Pkg bricht vor dem evalen() von custmain ab 11:06 < fake> gibt es irgendwie intensiveren debug-output von Build-Pkg ? 11:07 < tsa> nicht, dass ich wuesste....der loggt ja alles nach /var/adm/logs/.. weg.. 11:08 < tsa> afaik kannst du in scripts/Config noch einstellen, dass er es auch noch auf die console loggen soll.... 11:08 < fake> tsa, hab ich schon probiert -_- 11:09 < fake> er meckert irgendwann nach beim kopieren der doku 11:09 < fake> bringt aber keinen fehler 11:09 < fake> also noch bevor ert $custmain ueberhaupt abfragt 11:09 < tsa> seltsam.... 11:09 < tsa> hm...... 11:09 < tsa> ./scripts/Download: ${2//X/}: bad substitution 11:09 < tsa> auch irgendwie kaputt. 11:12 < fake> find $docdir/ -name '*.[0-9]' -o -name '*.info*' | \ 11:12 < fake> xargs -r rm -f 2> /dev/null 11:12 < fake> das is der fehler 11:12 < fake> er versucht da.... 11:12 < fake> nur zahlen 11:12 < fake> oder *.info 11:12 < fake> * 11:12 < fake> zu finden 11:12 < fake> und dann zu löschen 11:12 < fake> wenn er aber keine findet -> fehler 11:13 < fake> package build failed 11:13 < fake> nein beim ersten sucht er test.1 11:14 < fake> also man-pages 11:14 < fake> und info 11:14 < fake> *grml* und wenn bdb nur html-doku hat? kann ich da was dafuer? 11:15 < tsa> hehe... 11:16 < tsa> kannst ja man-pages dafuer schreiben ;) 11:16 < fake> ein kleines if davor... 11:16 < fake> und schon geht libsafe und bdb. 11:17 < fake> nein ich kann ja einfach machen 11:17 < tsa> fein. 11:17 < fake> if [ find $docdir/ -name '*.[0-9]' -o -name '*.info*' ] ; 11:17 < fake> then.... 11:17 < fake> (das da oben) 11:17 < fake> fi ; 11:17 < tsa> jo.. 11:17 < fake> *yippie* 11:18 < fake> == 04/23/02 09:18:11 =[3]=> Finished building package bdb. 11:19 < tsa> fein. 11:19 < tsa> *freu* 11:20 < fake> jop 11:20 < fake> gleich nen patch schicken ;) 11:21 < tsa> hehe 11:22 < tsa> hm....mein problem hab ich auch geloest....bzw. ursache gefunden.... /bin/bash ist bash1 und nicht bash2... 11:22 < tsa> aber ich denke, das ist es nicht wert, das zu fixen.. 11:23 < tsa> bash1 ist alt. 11:32 < fake> ein wenig, ja ;) 11:36 < tsa> hehe ;) 11:38 < tsa> naja, ich red' nachher mal mit clifford.....wenn es einfach ist, das auch fuer bash1 zum laufen zum bringen, kann er es ja aendern... 11:43 -!- anders [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 11:48 < tsa> hi anders 11:50 -!- hack^uni [~zirkelfr@inpph012.Student.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has joined #rocklinux 11:51 < fake> you have new mail ;) 11:57 < huebi> re moin hi all! 12:01 < esden> muhh ... ehhm morning ;-) 12:03 < fake> hi esden! 12:03 < huebi> hies 12:03 < fake> <-- fixing libpng makefile patch... 12:03 < huebi> hi esden hehe muoeh 12:11 < fake> hm... 12:12 < esden> has somebody read the mail from rippy ? 12:13 < esden> in the rock-ports mailing list ... it is marvelous ... !!! 12:13 < esden> *lough* 12:13 < huebi> esden: What does he say? 12:16 < fake> rock ports... maybe i should consider signing up for it ;) 12:17 < huebi> fake: That's a really good idea. 12:17 -!- praenti_ is now known as praenti 12:17 < huebi> esden: What does he say? - I have no mail at the moment. 12:17 < praenti> hi 12:17 < huebi> hi praenti 12:17 < huebi> praenti: login schon ausprobiert? 12:17 < praenti> was chris in the chat yesterday? 12:17 < praenti> huebi: moment 12:18 < esden> huebi: he is talking about how to transporth the pa-risc machine over internet ... 12:18 < esden> hi praenti 12:18 < esden> it is very interesting 12:18 < praenti> cvs say: no respository 12:18 < huebi> esden: Only possible via UPS-Tape 12:19 < praenti> ok. was my fault 12:19 < huebi> praenti: was gibts du ein? 12:19 < huebi> rock-1.5 12:19 < praenti> i've deleted my tree on my linux-box 12:19 < esden> with many crossreferences to apropriate rfc's 12:19 < praenti> must do a checkout 12:19 < praenti> huebi: läuft 12:19 < huebi> co works. as I see 12:19 < praenti> dange nochmal 12:20 < huebi> praenti: hehe, immer einfach erst mal root fragen :-) 12:21 < esden> ok ... 12:22 < hack^uni> haha, nice mail from ripclaw 12:22 < huebi> praenti: Avg: 83.67 kBit/s 12:22 < esden> huebi: is it now possible to drive your cvs using ssh ? 12:22 < huebi> esden: jo, it is. 12:22 < esden> hack^uni: yess definitly 12:23 < esden> huebi: good .. i will test it ... 12:23 < huebi> esden: do it :-) 12:23 < tsa> bbl. 12:23 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has quit ("wech.") 12:24 < esden> Binary Large Octet Ad-Hoc Transfers (BLOAT) 12:24 < esden> woooot 12:24 < esden> I have to test it ... 12:24 < huebi> esden: Hae? 12:25 < huebi> esden: *wasdasseintun* 12:25 < esden> BLOAT: encapsulation of IP Packets in XML structures 12:25 < huebi> esden: URL? 12:25 < huebi> esden: please. 12:25 < esden> mom 12:27 < esden> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3252.txt <-- Binary Lexical Octet Ad-hoc Transport 12:28 < hack^uni> later .. 12:28 -!- hack^uni [~zirkelfr@inpph012.Student.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:29 < esden> Avian errors (EROAST, ESHOCK, EBURDEN, EBRKDN) 12:30 < esden> that is why we should not une any of the energy transport protocols on interfoaces using avian carriers ... 12:30 < esden> sounds logical 12:30 < fake> Finished building package gnome-libs. 12:30 < fake> *yippie* 12:31 < fake> gnome-libs in 6 minutes ;) 12:32 < esden> fake: how long did your build take ? 12:33 * praenti going downstairs to the mensa. cya later 12:33 < fake> esden: with or without patching? 12:33 < fake> ;-) 12:34 < fake> esden: i dunno. it had finished stage 9 tomorrow evening, so about 12 hrs. 12:34 < fake> esden: but because bdb was broken no gnome app built 12:34 < fake> esden: and of course kde's still broken ;)) 12:36 < esden> fake: when you are ready with patching ... you could make a complete rebuild to test the performance of this machine ... 12:39 < fake> esden: when i am ready with patching and with getting the _WHOLE_ 1.7 to compile i am a god and don't need any tests anymore ;P 12:40 < esden> fake: hmm ok that is an argument ... 12:41 < esden> fake: do not wave so much in your mails ... that is making me seasick ;-)\ 12:41 < esden> -"\" 12:42 < fake> *waves* 12:42 < fake> unser dorf soll schoener werden - ich geh eine rauchen. 12:44 * -> esden runs to the toilet because of fake's waving ... 12:45 < esden> == 19:36:23 =[5]=> Building base package rock-debug [1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08 1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08].\ 12:46 < esden> yupeeeeee!!!!! it is finishing !!!!!!! 12:46 < esden> *jump* 12:46 < huebi> wheeeeeeeerrrrRRRRKKKKRKKack! <- esden's hardisk :> 12:46 < esden> too many characters ... 12:47 < esden> huebi: no !! 12:47 < huebi> esden: Where is your backup? 12:47 * -> esden fixing some stuff before the build finishes 12:47 < huebi> esden: " I don't need a backup. I need a restore!" 12:48 < huebi> esden fixing some stuff before the build finishes <- Lass den Loetkolben weg. Nicht unter Spannung arbeiten... 12:48 < esden> huebi: not yet there ... my machine is still running since I got the "wechselrahmen" 12:49 < esden> huebi: man muss ab und zu was im leben riskieren 12:49 < esden> huebi: sonnst ist es langweilig ;-) 12:50 < huebi> esden <- Trinkt einhaendig Bier. Waahnsinn. 12:51 < huebi> esden "Evil Knevel" Tempski 12:53 < huebi> esden: I know why you want cvs over ssh. - "The net is the computer." - So you check in all your stuff to cvs 12:53 < huebi> hehe 12:54 < fake> hehe 12:55 < fake> the best backup is always distribution 12:55 < fake> that's why i like to distribute my movies ;) 12:55 * huebi searches his 14.4 modem... 12:55 < fake> and like a miracle.... gnome compiles ;) 12:56 < huebi> fake <- Merlins "Stift" 12:57 < fake> Azubi ;P 12:58 < huebi> Azubi: GmbH "Geh' mal Bier holen" 12:58 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:58 < huebi> hi bluefire 12:58 < bluefire> Moin moin 12:58 < fake> hi bf 12:59 * bluefire findet webradio is was arg feines ;) 12:59 * fake findet mp3s sind was feines ;) 12:59 < fake> ogg kompiliert nicht -_- 13:00 < huebi> bluefire: Bis Dir der Admin mal sagt, wie teuer das ist. An der TU in Braunschweig hatten die damit arge Probleme. 13:01 < bluefire> Die müssen erstmal kommen. Wenn ich hier ein wenig Radio höre, dann ist das nix im Vergleich zu den Kazaa und eDonkey saugern. Da geht sogar mein gnutella-traffic unter. 13:02 < bluefire> huebi: davon abgesehen... wenn genug Leute das gleiche hören, dann müsste das doch eigentlich vom proxy gemultiplext werden? 13:04 < huebi> bluefire: An der TU-BS haben die auch nur mal die Zahlen veroeffentlicht und um etwas sorgfaeltigere, ueberlegtere, Netznutzung gebeten. Also das Radio ausmachen, wenn es nicht gehoert wird. 30% weniger Traffik war das Ergebnis. 13:05 < huebi> Radio ist Multicast. Ob einer oder alle im Netz das hoeren, ist egal. 13:05 < fake> hehe 13:05 < fake> muessen sich nur noch alle auf einen sender einigne ;P 13:05 < bluefire> Radio is multicast? ich dachte eigentlich das wäre ne ganz normale tcp http V.erbindung 13:05 < huebi> Deutschland Radio, was sonst ;> 13:06 < fake> bluefire: rtp 13:06 < fake> realt time protocol 13:06 < fake> oder sowas 13:06 < fake> kommt drauf an 13:06 < fake> icecast/shoutcast ist glaube ich sogar unicast 13:06 < huebi> bluefire: tcp - und die Leitungen sind beim Sender sofort dicht. 13:06 < fake> jop 13:06 < fake> live365.com 13:06 < fake> ;) 13:07 < esden> huebi: wenn ich mit dem build fertig binn dann merge ich entlich mit deinem cvs ... 13:07 < huebi> esden: Ahhh, super! 13:08 < esden> huebi: ich habe gerade die installdisk subdist scripte umgeschrieben so dass die auch auf debian und suse funktionieren sollten 13:08 < huebi> esden: Was hast Du geaendert? 13:08 < fake> esden: cool! 13:09 < esden> (ich wollte schon funzen sagen aber ich will den SMP nicht veraergern ;-) ) 13:09 < fake> wieso? was hat SMP gegen funzen? 13:09 < esden> fake: ja schaue scrollback so gegen 00:00Uhr 13:10 < fake> ff 13:10 < fake> uff 13:10 < esden> genaugesagt [23:58] 13:11 < esden> scheisse ich muss gleich zur mathe uebung ... ich habe keine lust :-( 13:11 < fake> hehe 13:12 < fake> funzen, addy und proggy... ;) 13:12 < huebi> esden: Kannst Du auch hier haben ;> 13:12 < fake> keine lust? 13:12 < huebi> esden: wieviel ist 1+1? 13:12 < fake> 10 13:13 < fake> 0000001 + 0000001 = 0000010 13:13 < huebi> *lol* 13:13 < esden> huebi: ich habe dass: tar cIf 13:13 < esden> zu dem gemacht : tar --use-compress-program=bzip2 cf 13:13 < esden> soo cu 13:13 < fake> cu esden! 13:14 < huebi> esden: cu danke 13:14 < huebi> * PHP 4.2.0 (tar.bz2) [2,675Kb] - 22 April 2002 13:15 < huebi> schon wieder neu *staun* 13:18 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:18 < holyolli> moin 13:22 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:22 < snyke> hi all 13:26 < huebi> hi holyolli snyke 13:34 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 13:34 < armijn> re 13:34 < huebi> hi armijn 13:35 < armijn> hi huebi 13:36 < armijn> seems we're pissing off rxr... 13:37 < huebi> armijn: why? 13:37 < armijn> because of the sf stuff 13:39 < huebi> I think we just need some rules about packages. 13:39 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@faim.Physik.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has joined #rocklinux 13:39 < hackbard> re 13:39 < armijn> exactly. 13:39 < huebi> re hackbard 13:39 < armijn> but all this flaming really decreases my enjoyment in ROCK 13:39 < huebi> hackbard: 13:40 < huebi> I think we just need some rules about packages. 13:39 < armijn> I disagree with rxr 13:39 < armijn> ROCK is *no distro* 13:40 < hackbard> hough ther have to be rules! 13:40 < armijn> you should be free how you buil dyour packages 13:40 < armijn> so, I suggest there's only one "offical reference" package tree 13:41 < armijn> that is maintained by clifford, rxr and whoever wants it 13:41 < armijn> if someone wants to use another package tree, that's his/her own responsibility 13:42 < armijn> will solve a lot of problems, I think 13:43 < huebi> In each package is very much work _and_ idealism. Every maintainer does his/her best when writing a package. So deleting _must_ be only allowed by the origin(?) author. 13:43 < armijn> if a package in the "offical" tree is outdated, someone can take it over 13:43 < armijn> I don't consider the sf repository the "official" one 13:44 < huebi> armijn: to take over is ok IMHO. But deleting is forbidden. 13:44 < armijn> huebi: dunno... 13:45 < armijn> clifford has the last word over the "official" tree in my opinion 13:45 < hackbard> for 1.7 13:45 < hackbard> its huebi for 1.5 13:45 < armijn> of course... 13:45 < armijn> that should have been "the maintainer" 13:45 < hackbard> so i think the maintainer should be able to modify it 13:45 < hackbard> yeah 13:46 < armijn> FUCK! I got the patches on a floppy and now the floppy's dead :(((( 13:46 < hackbard> in case oen doesnt care about his packages ... the maintainer could mark it dropped 13:46 < hackbard> or sth like that .. 13:47 < huebi> hackbard: A list with dropped/outdated packages is a good idea. 13:47 < armijn> ah...luckily I put it on there twice :) 13:49 < huebi> armijn: Afer 5 years about one third of a bunch of floppies is unusable any more. 13:49 < huebi> +t 13:49 < armijn> yeah, I know 13:49 < huebi> It was hard to discover this for me 13:52 -!- tsa [~tsa@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:52 < tsa> re.. 13:52 < holyolli> re tsa 13:52 < huebi> re hi tsa 13:53 < snyke> hi tsa 13:58 < fake> re 14:00 < fake> but 3M floppies stay alive a lot longer i noticed 14:00 < fake> i recently used my old 3M floppies with the copied MS DOS 6.22 again 14:00 < fake> no problems at all 14:09 < snyke> hi fake 14:13 < fake> hi snyke! 14:28 < fake> wow. i'm copmiling X and WineX at the same time. and my processor s not at 100% 14:28 < fake> but BIO is :( 14:30 < huebi> fake: more disks... 14:31 < fake> huebi: how about SCSI, in the first place? ;) 14:32 < huebi> No, the price/performance ratio is not as good as with ide disks. 14:32 < huebi> take 4 or mor with software RAID-0 with striping 14:33 < huebi> +e 14:34 < huebi> Disk access is limited to 120 - 200 single accesses/second. Thats almost the same for ide and scsi 14:38 < fake> hm. 14:38 < fake> i'd prefer to use QNX to build rock ;)) 14:41 < esden> re hi all 14:42 < esden> soo 14:42 < holyolli> hi esden 14:43 < fake> aloha! *wave* 14:44 < snyke> hi esden!!! 14:46 < holyolli> tsa? 14:46 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:46 < tsa> jo. 14:46 < tsa> hi term_emu 14:46 < holyolli> tsa: dein internet ist kaputt 14:46 < holyolli> hi term_emu 14:46 < tsa> hm......ruhig hier heute.... 14:46 < tsa> holyolli: dann solltest du es besser heile machen.... 14:46 * fake *jumps around* 14:46 < tsa> holyolli: ....oder kuemmerst du dich zuerst ums backup? *g* :P 14:47 < holyolli> tsa: jaja..ich backupe von attila auf streamer ;) 14:47 < tsa> hehe. 14:47 < tsa> mach was sinnvolles... 14:47 < tsa> schnapp dir nen paar rock-packages ;-) 14:50 < esden> added to 1.5 : bool 'Run the build of rock-debug package' ROCKCFG_DEBUG 1 14:50 < esden> it is taking too much time when I do not need it ... 14:50 < esden> ;-) 14:51 < term_emu> hi 14:51 < esden> hi term_emu 14:54 < huebi> esden: I just commeted it out ;> rock-debug package 14:58 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.2.156] has joined #rocklinux 14:59 < armijn> about to send my sparc64 patches 15:00 < fake> hi clifford 15:00 < clifford> hi. 15:01 < huebi> hi clifford 15:02 < esden> hi clifford 15:02 < clifford> hmmm ... my mips cross build doesn't look good. 15:02 < esden> huebi: but my solution is cleaner ;-) 15:03 < fake> clifford: did any package compile? 15:04 < fake> ;) 15:04 < huebi> esden: of course it is! I was just too lazy to make something clean like you did. 15:04 < clifford> fake: 00-dirtree and autoconf (the packages which do not compile anything) 15:04 < fake> hehe *rofl* 15:04 < clifford> fake: glibc failed to build .. 15:05 < fake> clifford: glibc compiled on my native build in stage 1 and 2, but it failed in stage 3 15:05 < fake> clifford: i'll definitely switch the indigo2 on again today 15:05 < fake> and i'll get more hardware from ripclaw, i'll visit him on friday ;) 15:06 < armijn> more hardware? 15:07 < fake> he called me yesterday and said he has two or three SGI's around 15:07 < armijn> wow. 15:07 < armijn> what kind? 15:07 < fake> maybe there's a faster one than mine ... i hope so. 15:07 < tsa> hehe 15:07 < fake> he didn't know it himself. 15:08 < armijn> he just got them. 15:08 < fake> sure - you know ripclaw, he who has everything. 15:08 * tsa still looking for a purple indy2 case.. 15:08 < fake> me too 15:08 < armijn> indy2? 15:08 < armijn> there never was an indy2 15:08 < fake> indigo2 15:08 < armijn> aah 15:08 < fake> r5k 15:08 < fake> or 10k? 15:08 < armijn> I heard the purple was r10k 15:08 < armijn> the green one is r5k 15:08 < fake> it is 10k, then. 15:09 < armijn> ripclaw has got a r10k? 15:09 < tsa> afaik the case color has no meaning regarding cpu type... 15:09 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@faim.Physik.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:10 < armijn> well, the only r5ks I've seen are in the green case 15:10 < fake> armijn: i will know it on friday. 15:10 < armijn> and the r10ks in the purple case 15:10 < fake> i'll fire em up and do a hinv to be sure. 15:10 < tsa> but the purple case is a litte different from the green one... for example, high impact gfx doesn't fit in the green case.. 15:10 * fake has an indigo2 r4400 in a green case 15:12 < fake> the indigo2 model "super-lousy(tm)" 15:12 < armijn> huebi/clifford: sparc64 patches are on their way 15:12 < huebi> armijn: Thank you! 15:13 < esden> ich gehe heim ... 15:13 < esden> cu all 15:14 < huebi> esden: cu 15:14 < fake> cu esden 15:15 < snyke> cu esden 15:17 < fake> Any small object that is accidentally dropped will hide under a larger object. 15:17 < fake> HIGH TECHNOLOGY: 15:18 < fake> A California innovation composed of equal parts of silicon and marijuana. 15:18 < fake> *lol* 15:29 < fake> aw. not funny. ok. 15:29 < tsa> fake: URL? 15:29 < armijn> hehe 15:30 < fake> tsa: taskbar://wanda.gnome.fish/?action=click&reason=boredom 15:30 < armijn> Jan's reply is faster than my mail... 15:30 < tsa> fake: taskbar:// ?? 15:30 < tsa> btw.... 15:30 < tsa> https://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/kitchen.html 15:30 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 15:30 < huebi> tsa: right lower corner on gnome. the fish 15:31 < tsa> "Contrary to popular belief, putting items under the sofa means that they are still there. Just because nobody can see the burger carton, it doesn't mean that it's gone." 15:32 < fake> tsa: if i'm bored i squeeze wanda the fish in my taskbar ;) 15:33 < tsa> Phases of a Project: 15:33 < tsa> (1) Exultation. 15:33 < tsa> (2) Disenchantment. 15:33 < tsa> (3) Confusion. 15:33 < tsa> (4) Search for the Guilty. 15:33 < tsa> (5) Punishment for the Innocent. 15:33 < tsa> (6) Distinction for the Uninvolved. 15:33 < tsa> hm.... 15:33 < holyolli> jo 15:33 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 15:34 < th> SMP: ping 15:43 < clifford> th: I see no reason why you shouldn't get any mails from the list. 15:43 < th> clifford: but me 15:43 -!- rxr_fh is now known as rxr 15:43 < clifford> I have a lot of 'Message accepted for delivery' logs from smtp.hbsn.de in my mail log for your address .. 15:43 < th> clifford: i have problems resolving the rocklinux.org domain from time to time 15:44 < th> so the mta refuses delivery because of unable to resolve domain... 15:44 < th> could be bind problem on my mta 15:44 < clifford> maybe - but I have no errors in my logs file .. 15:45 < th> all the mails are in my mta's q 15:45 < th> i want to know what sendmail tries to resolve 15:45 < th> MX, A, NS? 15:45 < th> Deferred: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address minimalist@rocklinux.org does not resolve 15:48 < huebi> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/as-23.04.02-000/ <- new intel compiler 15:56 < clifford> huebi: ich moecht eh' schon seit langen eine option zum builden von ROCK mit icc machen .. 15:59 < huebi> clifford: das lohnt sich 15:59 < clifford> huebi: vor allem wenn man jetzt auch den kernel damit builden kann 16:00 < clifford> moeglicherweise waere da eine kooperation mit intel moeglich? 16:00 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/intel_cc_amd_k7_1800_1533mhz.0.txt 16:00 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/amd_k7_xp1800_1533mhz.2.txt 16:00 < clifford> (wer sonst koennte denen mit einem so kleinen aufwand eine vollstaendig auf icc basierende distribution ersdtellen) 16:00 < huebi> sogar AMD's werden noch schneller damit. 16:00 < clifford> huebi: ??? 16:00 < huebi> Fuer's iBook kann ich auch noch Ergebnisse kriegen. 16:01 < huebi> 354010 16:02 < huebi> mit icc, und 336574 16:02 < huebi> mit gcc 2.95.3 16:02 < huebi> so als Anhaltswerte. 16:03 < fake> hm, das is ja ganz nett, aber wo ist der source? 16:03 < huebi> fake 16:03 < huebi> oops 16:04 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/sources/rock-1.5.14/misc/bench/ <- das isser, der Benchmark :-) 16:04 < fake> ich meine der source von dem icc 16:06 < huebi> Die Quelle fuer den Compiler liegt bei deiner bank und heisst 399$$ ;> 16:07 < fake> noe 16:07 < fake> das binary bekommst du so 16:07 < fake> seh ich grade 16:07 < fake> (halt ohne support und nich fuer windoof-user, aber wat solls) 16:08 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 16:08 < armijn> re 16:08 < fake> This page provides a free download copy of the Intel® C++ Compiler 6.0 for Linux* for non-commercial purposes 16:08 < armijn> binary only 16:08 < armijn> but for c++ it is faster 16:08 < clifford> armijn: why confopt="`echo $confopt` AWK=/usr/bin/awk" ??? 16:09 < armijn> clifford: because the configure script for autoconf sucks big dick 16:09 < clifford> armijn: what's wrong with confopt="$confopt AWK=/usr/bin/awk" 16:09 < armijn> clifford: ehr, dunno, this worked :) 16:09 < huebi> oracle needs that. too 16:09 < clifford> btw: in 1.7 AWK=gawk is exported from parse-config .. 16:09 * huebi muss jetzt kuchen essen.. 16:09 < armijn> clifford: but I use 1.5 16:09 < huebi> brb 16:10 < fake> muss?? 16:10 < th> (soziale zwaenge?) 16:10 < armijn> clifford: the configure script for autoconf first searches for mawk, then for awk, gawk and nawk 16:10 < armijn> debian installs mawk 16:10 < armijn> so it finds mawk and records /usr/bin/mawk 16:10 < fake> which can be easily changed 16:10 < armijn> in the autoconf script 16:10 < armijn> fake: why should I have to change my build system first? 16:10 < clifford> armijn: yes, I know. 16:11 < armijn> fake: that's just waaaaaay too easy 16:11 < fake> armijn: don't blame rock when you could blam debian. 16:11 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9523D66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:11 < fake> ;) 16:12 < fake> hi hackbard 16:12 < hackbard> re 16:12 < armijn> fake: but we need a workaround for debian 16:12 < armijn> hi hackbard 16:12 < clifford> armijn: why not simply setting arch_target=sparc-unknown-linux-gnu in arch-conf/sparc64/archtest.out ? 16:12 < armijn> clifford: doesn't that affect the build of the kernel? 16:12 < clifford> armijn: that would make the 2nd patch obsolete .. 16:13 < armijn> clifford: I want to keep my options open, regarding a 64 bit userland 16:13 * fake <- having a cigarette. :- 16:13 < clifford> armijn: no - the kernel is using arch_machine . 16:13 < armijn> clifford: ok...post comments on the mailinglist :) 16:13 < armijn> so we can all discuss them. 16:13 < clifford> but are you sure that glibc is creating the correct assembler code for the system calls if you build it with sparc-unknown-linux-gnu ? 16:14 < armijn> clifford: it breaks otherwise 16:14 < armijn> clifford: tried it many times... 16:15 < armijn> the assembler code is ok this way. ultrasparc is fully backwards compatible with sparc 16:16 < clifford> the cpu - yes. 16:16 < armijn> but this is also the way other distros do it. 16:17 < clifford> but the sparc64 kernel is using another interface for calling system calls. So glibc must know that the kernel is a sparc64 kernel .. 16:17 < armijn> I don't know if it is a big problem 16:17 < armijn> still have to add a lot of stuff to get a booting system 16:20 < armijn> clifford: you mean if glibc uses the right header files? 16:20 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.2.156] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:20 < armijn> hrmpf 16:22 -!- clifford [~clifford@M102P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:22 < clifford> hi again. 16:22 < armijn> clifford: you mean if glibc uses the right header files? 16:22 < th> if i add something to inittab (like daemontools) do i really need to reboot to activate it? 16:23 < clifford> th: kill -1 1 16:23 < th> great 16:23 < th> thanks 16:24 < clifford> armijn: as far as I remember, glibc doesn't use the kernel headers (i also might be wrong) 16:24 < fake> still 134 packages fail in 1.7 16:24 < huebi> re 16:24 < fake> no 16:24 < fake> 66 16:25 < clifford> fake: ? 16:25 < holyolli> re huebi 16:25 < fake> 68 16:25 < clifford> now what? 16:25 < fake> clifford: i just finished my build 16:25 < fake> clifford: before i fixed that documentations bug i had > 10 failed pkgs 16:26 < fake> > 100 16:26 < rxr> armijn: to use a sparc64 kernel you also need sparc64 binutils - otherwise you'll see the assembler errors you get ... 16:26 < armijn> clifford: I think it uses some header files... 16:26 < armijn> rxr: what errors? 16:26 * clifford wonders that so many packages do actually have a doc/ or documentation directory. 16:27 < SMP> th: I'm here now 16:27 < rxr> armijn: the errors that showed up on IRC and the mailing-list. You said you fixed them with some kind of convertion script ... 16:27 < armijn> rxr: I didn't get any errors with my patches :) 16:27 < armijn> rxr: check my patches 16:28 < armijn> rxr: binutils is not a problem 16:29 < fake> png.h: No such file or directory 16:29 < armijn> rxr: the asm errors are just caused by the fact that the right header files can't be located. 16:29 < fake> *douh* 16:30 < fake> no wonder 16:30 < fake> png.h is in /usr/include/libpng12/png.h 16:30 < rxr> armijn: I'll recheck this when the U5 arrives here (hopefully soon ...) 16:31 < armijn> rxr: my patches are for 1.5.14 16:31 < armijn> rxr: first try a "normal" build, without my patches and see what goes wrong. 16:33 < armijn> rxr: then you can see what I fixed 16:33 < armijn> rxr: and no, binutils is not a problem, because they can generate good code (elf-sparc64) 16:35 < rxr> armijn: I know that binutils are not the problem - but the last errors posted here resulted from useing elf-parc binutils with a sparc64 kernel. 16:35 < fake> do i have to make a symlink? 16:35 < armijn> rxr: you mean the glibc error? 16:36 < armijn> rxr: if you want to fix those problems, a lot of people will thank you for it. 16:36 < armijn> including the glibc and kernel people 16:36 < armijn> it's not that easy. 16:38 < armijn> but with my patches I don't encounter these problems 16:38 < armijn> and I think the right assembler is created. 16:38 -!- anders [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("~~~~") 16:38 < armijn> so, just check out the patches 16:43 < rxr> armijn: no the glibc build fine - it was util-linus using some syscall ... 16:44 < armijn> now that's weird 16:44 < armijn> I've only seen that error with glibc 16:45 < armijn> but mike1 also uses another machine 16:45 < armijn> on huebi's ultra60 we also got that warning with glibc 16:45 < clifford> fake: relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_PC16 __syscall_error 16:46 < clifford> have you seen that already? 16:47 < armijn> heh, gentoo has sparc/sparc64 distro 16:47 < fake> clifford: *LOL* i saw that since there's a 3 in the square brackets. 16:48 < fake> (e.g. since i reached stage 3) 16:48 < clifford> fake: you don't have a solution for this - do you? 16:49 < fake> i wanted you to have a look at it ;) 16:49 < clifford> good news: I can reproduce the problem using my cross compiler. :-) 16:50 < fake> cool. kinda native ;) 16:51 < fake> i looked for it, but i didn't get very far 16:58 < armijn> clifford: have googled for sparc64 and glibc, but no mention... 17:02 < clifford> sysdeps/unix/mips/sysdep.h:52: I think here is the problem. 17:03 < clifford> does anybody here can MIPS assembler? I need some help with the various relative and absolute jumps ... :-( 17:03 < armijn> nah 17:03 < armijn> clifford: I will ask about the glibc stuff on the debian-sparc mailinglist. 17:05 < clifford> ok. 17:06 < armijn> what was the exact problem? kernel uses a different interface for system calls? 17:06 < clifford> https://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel/r3000-isa.html 17:06 < clifford> armijn: I don't know if there is a problem (I don't have a sparc) 17:07 < clifford> All I'm saying is that glibc must know somehow if the kernel is sparc or sparc64 in order to generate the right system-call functions. 17:08 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:09 -!- inode [~inode@cs666986-234.satx.rr.com] has quit (Excess Flood) 17:09 -!- inode [~inode@66.69.86.234] has joined #rocklinux 17:10 < fake> clifford: are you at it? 17:12 < armijn> message to debian-sparc sent. 17:12 < holyolli> cu l8ter 17:12 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("fnord!") 17:17 < clifford> fake kind of - but it turns out that I (1) don't understand the error message or (2) don't understand mips assembler. 17:17 < armijn> or both 17:18 < clifford> there are no relative jumps in mips assembler - so what the f*ck is a R_MIPS_PC16 ?? 17:18 < clifford> armijn: yes - or both .. 17:19 < armijn> I do have some books on sparc assembler and alpha assembler 17:19 < armijn> not that I get them... 17:20 < armijn> as in, dig them 17:20 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.34] has joined #rocklinux 17:20 < Mike1> moin 17:21 < clifford> Mike1: hi. 17:21 < fake> hi Mike1 17:21 < clifford> Mike1: do you have some xpirience with MIPS assembler? (with gnu binutils) 17:21 < fake> clifford: https://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/1999-10/msg00046.html 17:22 < armijn> clifford: https://www.stratego-language.org/twiki/bin/view/Hpc/MIPS 17:22 < armijn> clifford: might be of interest. 17:22 < clifford> .. some help with elf/mips would also be great .. 17:22 * clifford reading .. 17:24 < armijn> mike1: hi 17:26 < Mike1> clifford no i dont. but if you tell me what you need i will find a way to help you 17:26 < Mike1> armijn i just got your patches i will test them in a while 17:27 < hackbard> the aliens awake :) 17:27 < hackbard> hi migule 17:27 < hackbard> miguel 17:27 < Mike1> hi Frank 17:27 * clifford reading gcc and binutils sources (once more this week .. :-) 17:27 < armijn> mike1: ok, kewl... 17:28 < huebi> "Feierabend" CU later I go home. 17:29 < armijn> mike1: might still be a bit buggy... 17:29 < Mike1> hackbard wie geht es dir? 17:29 < armijn> either huebi doesn't do much updates, or he forgets to update the changelog... 17:29 < Mike1> armijn i see well the only way we can find it out is by testing right? 17:29 < armijn> I guess. 17:29 < hackbard> btw, somebody from #mipslinux told me that the cpu of my cyber910 (r3000) is supported, just everything around is not 17:29 < Mike1> hackbard well thats something :) 17:29 < armijn> hackbard: I know. 17:30 < hackbard> Mike1: gut, danke! :) 17:30 * Mike1 working 17:31 < hackbard> sometime when i am a great kernelö hacker ... i will change that ;-) 17:32 < armijn> oh yeah. 17:32 < hackbard> hehe :p 17:32 < armijn> same here 17:37 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 17:43 < clifford> the guys on #mipsline are not very verbose .. 17:43 < tsa> bbl. 17:43 < clifford> aehm - #mipslinux 17:43 -!- tsa [~tsa@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:43 < fake> hm... 17:43 < fake> question 17:44 < fake> in the current(?) 1.7 snapshot 17:44 < clifford> yes? 17:44 < fake> libpng saves png.h and pngconf.h in /usr/include/libpng12 17:44 < fake> - where no program (libgd, netpbm, xine...) finds it. 17:44 < fake> what is the correct procedure? 17:44 < fake> do a link in $postmake? 17:44 < fake> or copy them over? 17:45 < fake> if i fix this i'll get an almost complete build ;) 17:45 < fake> i now linked them by hand into /usr/include 17:46 < clifford> fake: I'd patch the makefile (so it never get installed in the wrong location) or link in $postmake 17:46 < fake> patching the makefile sounds wiser, as we already patch the makefile ;) 17:46 < fake> i'll have a look at it. 17:47 < clifford> Maybe linking is better because that way we don't have any problems with packages which do require the headers in the directory wwhere libpng whould store it on default. 17:47 < fake> sounds true. 17:47 < fake> how do i link? ln -s ${root}/usr/include/libpng12/png.h ${root}/usr/include/png.h ? 17:47 -!- CodeMonkey [~CodeMonke@x8b4e53b0.dhcp.okstate.edu] has joined #rocklinux 17:49 < clifford> fake: ln -sf - or it will fail when rebuilding the package .. 17:52 < CodeMonkey> cliff, what mips architechture are you having touble crosscompiling for? 17:55 < fake> but the ${root} thing is right? o_O 17:56 < clifford> CodeMonkey: just "generic mips" - whatever gcc and binutils thinks that is .. 17:57 < CodeMonkey> a while ago I was trying to do some crosscompiling to an R10k 17:57 < clifford> I'm getting a lot of "relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_PC16 __syscall_error" when building glibc 17:58 < esden> re hi all 17:58 * -> esden creating alpha binary iso ... 17:59 < fake> re esden! 17:59 -!- blindy|gettinmon is now known as blindcoder 17:59 < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi 17:59 < clifford> CodeMonkey: I think gcc is generating code for r2k if no special options are used .. 17:59 < CodeMonkey> from what I understand, the R3000 and 4400 should compile into a workable binary, but the r10k has issues with the way it access cache 18:01 < fake> clifford: why is $root starting with a "/" ?? 18:02 < clifford> CodeMonkey: we also have the problem mentioned above when nativly building on a mips - but only when we switched already to our own environment with our own gcc/binutils. 18:02 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 18:02 < fake> ln -sf $root/usr/include/ -> ln -sf /build/blabla/root/usr/include 18:02 < clifford> So I think the problem is somewhere with gcc+binutils. 18:03 < esden> apt-get install mkisofs 18:03 < CodeMonkey> most likely 18:03 < esden> ;-) 18:03 < clifford> fake: When creating a symbolic link, the first ln parameter should never contain $root. It's just the text written in the inode containing the real filename .. 18:03 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit ("leaving") 18:04 < tomik> hello 18:04 < esden> hi tomik 18:04 < fake> hae? 18:04 < clifford> CodeMonkey: do you know if there are any patches needed for gcc 2.95.3 and/or binutils-2.12.90.0.1 in order to create correct bins for MIPS? 18:05 < fake> clifford: dumb fake not understanding. 18:05 < clifford> (the assembler code created by gcc looks good, I think its more a binutils problem). 18:05 < clifford> fake: ln -sf libpng12/png.h ${root}/usr/include/png.h 18:06 < clifford> or: ln -sf /usr/include/libpng12/png.h ${root}/usr/include/png.h 18:06 < fake> clifford: *arghl* okay. now i get it. thanks. 18:06 < clifford> fake: is your indy turned on? 18:07 < clifford> (I want to test something) 18:07 < fake> clifford: not yet, i'm still at work. gimme 15 minutes. 18:07 < fake> okay? 18:07 < fake> i'll be back 18:07 < fake> ciao 18:07 < clifford> fake: is gcc the only package which fails to link? 18:08 < clifford> s/gcc/glibc/ 18:14 -!- thalerim [~be@p50812EF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:14 < thalerim> hello 18:14 < esden> hi thalerim 18:15 * blindcoder <--- away. learning dialog 18:15 < esden> blindcoder: good ;-) 18:16 * clifford is downloading binutils-2.12.90.0.4 (maybe that one is better for MIPS). 18:16 < clifford> CodeMonkey: which gcc/binutils versions did you user for cross-building? 18:18 < clifford> (the MIPS faq suggests an older one - bu I do not want to have diffrent gcc/binutils versions for all architectures) 18:22 < esden> https://home.esden.net/rock/iso/rock-alpha-base-1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08.iso <- my firsta alpha iso 18:22 < clifford> esden: is it bootable? 18:22 < esden> no not yet ... 18:28 < esden> gallery updated ... (ripclaw is back the sparc maintainer) 18:33 < fake> clifford: it's up 18:34 < clifford> fake: great. 18:34 < clifford> fake: I'll go online within the next 30 minutes .. 18:34 < fake> i'll plug the serial console to the router (jana.homeip.net) and set up minicom according 18:34 < fake> so you can reboot it and stuff 18:35 < fake> (next time i restart it) 18:35 < fake> i also think about connecting the hard-reset switch to a the LPT and write a quick c program so you can hard-reset it from remote 18:35 < fake> there is a tftp server on the router (192.168.1.1) and the bootable image is 18:36 < fake> /tftpboot/linux 18:36 < fake> so to boot from the (serial) PROM console you'd say 5 (enter command monitor" 18:36 < fake> and then boot bootp()/tftpboot/linux 18:37 < fake> argh 18:37 < fake> bootp()=/tftpboot/linux console=ttyS0 18:38 < clifford> ic/ 18:38 < clifford> ic. 18:38 < fake> without the first = 18:39 < clifford> sure. 18:39 < clifford> :-) 18:39 < clifford> fake: how much sleep did you have in the last time? 18:39 < fake> now i'll get me some cigarettes and then do a ./scripts/Update-Src ;) 18:40 < fake> grep -r sleep *.h (looking for a #define...) 18:40 < clifford> fake: wait with the Update-Src. I'll make a snapshot in a few minutes. 18:40 < fake> okay ;) will you add the $postmake ln -sf for libpng? 18:40 < fake> i didn't finish it at work 18:41 < clifford> fake: to late (I'm already uploading). 18:41 < fake> :( 18:41 < clifford> .. but send me a patch .. 18:42 < fake> i'll send you the whole config file 18:42 < fake> it has only one line up to now 18:42 < fake> after the "patch" it's 2-and-a-half ;) 18:43 < clifford> yes - i do know. but if I make it myself I have to do a testbuild of the package (just to make sure there is no typo or something). 18:44 < clifford> btw: "grep -r sleep *.h" doesn't make much sense - '-r' is only usefull if the parameterlist contains directories .. 18:44 < fake> :P 18:44 < fake> i need more sleep, that's all 18:45 < fake> did you know that mandrake uses devfs? 18:45 < clifford> fake: yes - me too. And I should do some web projects for paying customers - and not fiddling arround with MIPS cross-binutils .. 18:45 < clifford> ad devfs: yes. 18:46 < hackbard> the second distro after rock? 18:46 < clifford> as far as i know: yes. 18:46 < clifford> downloading the new binutils finished: "./scripts/Build-CrossCC -cfg mips" 18:47 < rxr> but mandrake use it wrong - they archive the links on shutodwn and untar them on boot-up -> that least to really nasty problems ... 18:47 < hackbard> me doesnt know any other too 18:48 < clifford> rxr: ROCK has done this in some early ROCK Linux 0.x versions (1997 or 1998) 18:49 < rxr> clifford: hehe ;-) 18:50 < clifford> that was the recommended procedure befor Richard invented devfsd. 18:50 < clifford> I started to use the /etc/conf/devfsd script and told richard about that and mentioned if it wouldn't be nice to heave a daemon which does the job .. 18:51 < SMP> btw. is non-devfs supported in 1.7 now? is it going to be? 18:52 < clifford> SMP: I still want to support it - but it hasn't a high priority for me since noone really asked for it so far. 18:52 * clifford uploaded snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200204231838. 18:53 < SMP> clifford: hmm I don't know how important that might be. I'm doing really fine with devfs, be I recognize there's still some severe races in the devfs code? 18:55 < clifford> SMP: hmm - I don't know anything about that. The main reason why I would like to create a non-devfs version of ROCK is because it shouldn't be that hard and we might need it for embedded systems, etc. 18:56 < SMP> why the latter? 18:56 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:56 < SMP> I was under the impression that devfs is especially useful for embedded systems 18:57 < fake> *uffa*. beer? check. cigarettes? check. assorted narcotics? check. time to get the new snapshot ;) 18:57 < clifford> SMP: Only if we have a linux kernel >= 2.2 running on it ... 18:57 < fake> hi SMP 18:59 < clifford> btw: 2 months before richard started devfs I wrote the "vdev" file system (2.0 kernel) - nothing like a complete /dev tree according to the devices.txt file. a very simple but usefull hack. :-) 19:00 < clifford> s/nothing like/nothing else than/ .... I need some sleep too. 19:00 < fake> ./scripts/Update-Src: rsync: command not found >_< *DOUH!* 19:00 < clifford> ouch! 19:00 * clifford is getting himself a cigarette and a redbull - back in a few minutes. 19:02 < fake> you can buy a single cigarette in austria? 19:03 < fake> maybe we should sell boxes with, let's say, 20 of 'em? 19:03 < fake> hehe. business school relicts ;) 19:11 < clifford> fake: I ment I will SMOKE a cigarette (which I have done now). 19:12 < fake> oh. i see. no smoking in front of the box? 19:12 < clifford> no smoking in my office (and no smoking in my house). 19:13 < fake> why, oh, why? 19:14 < clifford> well: 1) I smoke less and 2) it smells less .. 19:14 < fake> if you wouldn't 1) you wouldn't care about 2) ;) 19:16 * clifford is cross-building glibc with new binutils .. 19:16 < fake> debian unstable still has no packages for XFree86 4.2 ... 19:18 < fake> i'd love to have the documents about how you switch MIPS from little to big endian and vice versa 19:18 < fake> you could make it a kernel option ;) 19:19 < fake> boot endianess=lowfirst 19:26 * blindcoder is just realizing how small a 80x25 display can be >_< 19:27 < blindcoder> s/display/console/ 19:27 < fake> blindcoder: serial console? 19:28 < fake> if i resize my minicom window in X the indigo2 crashes ;)) 19:28 < clifford> wow! 19:28 < fake> it works? 19:29 < clifford> no. If you resize your minicom window in X the indigo2 crashes?? 19:29 < fake> hmhm sometimes. 19:29 < blindcoder> fake> no, I shrunk my kterm to 80x25 so I can force myself to not use sizes like 125x70 with dialog 19:30 < fake> blindcoder: as long as you mustn't actually crankle code at 80x25... 19:30 < fake> blindcoder: it gets neat if you have 80x25 on a serial console at a HP-UX with a speed of 2400 baud... 19:31 < blindcoder> *lol* I can imagine that things go... slow working on such a device ;) 19:31 < fake> blindcoder: _then_ you notice that these debian guys really LIKE whole-screen-redrawing message boxes 19:32 < blindcoder> well... it only takes a little less than a second to redraw the screen ;) 19:32 < fake> it even redrew twice - once only the background and then again with BG and messagebox. 19:32 < blindcoder> adn then you realize it's just a message like "Installation complete" 19:33 < fake> blindcoder: or checking wether you need lilo (on a hp pa-risc box... *nargh*) 19:33 < clifford> fake: where may I find the debian sources for binutils? 19:33 < fake> www.debian.org 19:33 < fake> then packages 19:33 < fake> search for binutils 19:33 < fake> there you get "their" oiginal source and the patches they applied, if any. 19:34 < fake> but i could apt-get them onto the indy if you need e, 19:34 < fake> e 19:34 < fake> em damnit! 19:34 < blindcoder> fake> slower is sometimes faster 19:35 < fake> err, yes. The 8x550 MHz PA-RISC Processors which linux could only use one of. 19:39 < clifford> fake: I think it's faster when I play with them on my local 1.7GHz Athlon .. :-) 19:39 < fake> *bleh* 19:43 < blindcoder> hmm is it possible to catch stderr in a shell script when executing a command with ` `? 19:43 < rxr> clifford: might be corss-compiling all except the rebuild stage possible? 19:45 * huebi is reading log 19:45 < huebi> hi 19:45 < blindcoder> hi huebi 19:45 < fake> re huebi 19:47 < Mike1> anyone knows a good bandwidth monitoring tool? web aplication if possible 19:47 < clifford> rxr: when you do a cross-build only stages 0 and 1 are built anyways. 19:48 < thalerim> ipstat 19:48 < rxr> clifford: I meant Stage 3-8 ... ;-) - Since they get disabled when cross-building is selected ... 19:49 < blindcoder> Mike1> mrtg 19:52 < clifford> rxr: I still don't understand you - you want do disable something which is already disabled ?!? 19:53 < fake> he wants to enable it i think... 19:54 < rxr> clifford: ? No! I want to enable cross-building Stage 3-9 ;-) (If possible - since my 1700+ Athlon XP is much faster than some older SPARCs or PA-RISCs ... ;-) 19:55 < clifford> rxr: Oh - that's not possible without __much__ fixing. 19:55 < clifford> the problem starts with the lack of a cross c++ compiler. 19:55 < clifford> many packages do not differ between CC and HOST_CC 19:55 < clifford> At the moment we are not even able to cross-build bash .. 19:56 < blindcoder> hmm is there any documentation about the .pz files (syntax) for 1.5.x ? 19:56 < rxr> The G++ is not a cross-compiler? :-( 19:56 < clifford> (that's why we build pdksh instead of bash in stage 1 .. 19:56 * rxr fixing the bash 19:56 < clifford> rxr: that would be great. 19:57 * clifford tried it the last time in 1998 - so maybe the package has been fixed already .. 19:57 < rxr> I take a look 19:57 * SMP thinks rxr is getting himself into some serious trouble ;> 19:59 < blindcoder> that would be a "no" 20:00 < fake> hm. 20:00 < huebi> Mike1: https://www.roland-riegel.de/nload/index_en.html <- nload works for me very good. 20:00 * fake is thinking about giving windows the "best Operating system to play freecell"-Award. 20:01 < fake> but i'd rather call it 20:01 < huebi> Mike1: nload -t 1000 -i 768 -o 128 -u h -U h eth1 <- my standard invocation 20:01 < clifford> fake: you have not seen freecell on palmOS so far - right? 20:01 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|pz 20:01 < fake> "Best Enhanced Mouse Driver for plaing freecell" 20:01 < fake> clifford: i have. The commecrial version and an open source version :P 20:01 < clifford> who needs a mouse if you have a touch screen .. 20:02 < fake> i prfer serious sam for PalmOS ;) 20:02 < clifford> WHY USE WINDOWS IF THERE ARE DOORS? 20:02 < Mike1> blindy|pz huebi thanks 20:03 < fake> hm.... maybe they're stuck or something. 20:03 < fake> stuck in a antritust case ;-) 20:04 < rxr> clifford: is there a need for the "Force use of our own (pseudo-)cross compiler" when we do a coross-build anyway? Maybe we should disable this option for a cross-build? 20:06 < fake> blindy|pz braucht die addy von ner pz-doku damit er sein proggy zum funze bringen kann *g* 20:06 < fake> s/funze/funzen/ 20:06 < clifford> rxr: You could install a cross-compiler on your host system and don't run ./scripts/Build-CrossCC .. 20:07 < clifford> if that option is enabled it will auto-detect that you have no ROCK Linux CrossCC and not use the one installed on your host system. 20:07 < huebi> I'll do some updates later tonight. 20:07 < clifford> rxr: However - the option is a hack and must be replaced with a cleaner solution anyways. 20:19 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:19 < snyke> re all 20:19 < fake> re snyke 20:21 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.34] has quit ("BitchX: nine out of ten gynecologists recommend it") 20:23 -!- blindy|pz is now known as blindcoder 20:23 < blindcoder> re 20:23 < fake> cool. PowerDVD works under wine. 20:24 -!- thalerim [~be@p50812EF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("...") 20:24 < blindcoder> hehe so does Septerra Core (at least under WineX ;) 20:24 < esden> re hi all 20:24 < fake> Septerra Core i didn't enjoy very much... 20:24 < blindcoder> re hi esden 20:24 < esden> soo endlich ist dass konzert von meinem bruder zu ende ... 20:24 < blindcoder> fake> I really like it up till now 20:25 < blindcoder> esden> the first steps to the pz-config are taken. 20:25 -!- wschlich_ [~wschlich@pD9E3EF83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:25 < rxr> blindcoder: wow - maybe it is time to try Formula One GP III again ;-) 20:26 < clifford> hey - I'm #8 in the irc stats. cooool. :-0 20:26 < esden> blindcoder: cool ... show it to me some day ;-) 20:26 < blindcoder> aside from stunt car racing i didn't like racing simulations that much... but I don't think it will run under wine... maybe dosemu with freedos... 20:26 < esden> clifford: talk to us ;-) 20:26 < blindcoder> esden> tomorrow @train? 20:26 < esden> our mastor .. ;-) 20:26 < esden> then you get higher @cl 20:27 < esden> @ clifford 20:27 < fake> stunt car racing was ultra-kewl 20:27 < esden> s/mastor/master/ 20:27 < rxr> no not F1GP I or II - I extra bought F1GP III (a Direct X game) to get one running in Wine ;-) 20:27 < blindcoder> sure it was @fake. I was sitting in front of my PC for ages designing some new courses ;) 20:27 < rxr> II crashes the DOSemu ... 20:28 < fake> blindcoder: it absolutely ruled ! ;) unfortunately my diskette was infected by a virus :/ 20:28 < blindcoder> fake> i still have it lying around somewhere... 20:28 < rxr> there was a Stund Car Racing for PC? I only knew the one for Amiga ... 20:28 < fake> blindcoder: let's port it to linux. maybe we can contact the author to get the source.... 20:29 * blindcoder searching his mouse... it's buried under about half a dozen cables next to my seat... 20:29 * snyke now tries to configure postfixe... wish me good luck *g* 20:29 < rxr> or was it s.th. a differently named game I remember? ... 20:31 < blindcoder> dunno... I never used my Amiga much... 20:31 < clifford> esden: errr.... I have a better solution! 20:31 < clifford> instead of writing more 20:31 < clifford> i could simply 20:31 < clifford> split up 20:31 < clifford> my messages 20:31 < clifford> into 20:31 < clifford> many 20:32 < clifford> single 20:32 < clifford> messages! 20:32 < esden> loool 20:32 < blindcoder> that way it at least looks like you are writing more @cliff ;) 20:32 < esden> clifford: that is also a solution ;-) 20:32 < clifford> sure 20:32 < clifford> it 20:32 < clifford> is! 20:32 < blindcoder> but 20:33 < esden> get ready for clifford skyrocket in the stats ;-) 20:33 < blindcoder> imagine 20:33 < blindcoder> what 20:33 < rxr> clifford: this way you will also get before esden ;-) 20:33 < blindcoder> it 20:33 < blindcoder> would 20:33 < blindcoder> be 20:33 < blindcoder> like 20:33 < rxr> and 20:33 < blindcoder> if 20:33 < rxr> some 20:33 < blindcoder> everone 20:33 < rxr> other 20:33 < blindcoder> did 20:33 < clifford> (a sideeffect would be that everybody here would start to hate me .. :-) 20:33 < rxr> talk 20:33 < blindcoder> so 20:33 < rxr> between 20:33 * -> esden 20:33 < esden> starts 20:33 < esden> to 20:33 < esden> hate 20:33 < esden> clifford: 20:33 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817E0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:33 < esden> ;-) 20:33 < bluefire> re 20:33 < esden> re 20:33 < clifford> OH GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE! 20:33 < esden> bluefire 20:34 < rxr> clifford: where would be the cleanest way to add a warnbeep on build-error again? (the famous 10 wakeups ;-) 20:34 < esden> clifford: you are our leader so we are doing all you show us ;-) 20:34 < rxr> clifford: maybe some generic on-action funtions ? 20:35 < clifford> rxr: I want to implement an interface for user notifies (that could e.g. also be used by esdens lcd stuff) 20:35 < clifford> but that's not there yet .. :-) 20:35 * -> esden got something to eat! finally I will not die here ;-) 20:35 < rxr> clifford: but I miss the beep since some weeks now :-( 20:37 < esden> ahh now I know what I forgot in my todo list I wrote today ... the lcd stuff ... 20:37 < clifford> rxr: you could add it to the end of pkgloop_package() in scripts/build-functions .. 20:37 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E117FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:37 < tsa> re 20:37 * clifford is doing another glibc cross-build with a very heavily patches binutils .. 20:37 < esden> hi tsa 20:37 < tsa> hi esden 20:37 < rxr> clifford: yes - my vi is located at this line already ... 20:38 < clifford> rxr: but that's not forever - the whole pkgloop stuff will be redesigned for the cluster build soon .. 20:39 < fake> clifford: whats very heavily patched in MB? ;) 20:39 < blindcoder> esden> bring a floppy with you tomorrow then i can give you the script 20:40 < clifford> I'm /away for smokin' again. I'm back in a few minutes .. 20:40 < clifford> fake: about 25000 lines ... 20:40 < fake> >_< 20:40 < clifford> (744kB) 20:40 < rxr> clifford: uff 20:40 < fake> ouch! 20:40 < esden> blindcoder: k 20:40 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD955CD80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:41 < fake> that will blow up rock-src a bit ;) 20:41 < blindcoder> brb 20:41 * blindcoder switching workstation to laptop and workplace to bed 20:41 < fake> hm. 20:41 * fake is sitting in is bed ;) 20:41 < clifford> but from what I've seen from the patch source it _could_ solve our problem ... we will see in a few minutes. 20:41 < fake> *jumps around* 20:42 < esden> fake: be careful with your bed springs 20:43 < esden> o --3-5 x11 kdebase 3.0 "Free" 20:43 < fake> with what? 20:43 < esden> ^- can somebody explain me this ? 20:43 < rxr> esden: what? which ROCK tree? 20:44 < esden> fake: pfusche nicht in mein ascii art 20:44 < esden> rxr: 1.5 20:44 < fake> thats a w esden ;P 20:44 < tsa> hehehe 20:44 < blindcoder> back 20:44 < rxr> esden: and what's the prob with it?= 20:44 < fake> the 23rd character of the german alphabet... 20:44 < esden> fake: thats why I say that you should not destroy my ascii art eee 20:45 < fake> eee? 20:45 < blindcoder> fake> it's something I've shown esden today. 20:45 < blindcoder> the question is: why is an ext package built in stages 3 and 5 20:45 < esden> rxr: that it tryes to build kdebase and some other kde packages that are belonging in ext is the 3'rd stage ... that is producisg unertetic errors 20:46 < rxr> hm maybe huebi started to create single ROCK packages for the kde packages? 20:46 < esden> blindcoder: I have seen it before I mean the error ... but blindcoder could help to find the source of the error 20:46 < blindcoder> unertetic=unerotic? 20:47 < esden> nope ... unestetic 20:47 < esden> but unerotic is also a pretty good epitete 20:48 < esden> -e 20:49 < esden> s/epitete/epithet/ 20:49 < esden> now it is correct ;-) 20:50 * rxr starting to compile wine 20:54 < clifford> hmm ... no. It still doesn't work. 20:54 < clifford> I have to go home now (my girlfriend is waiting already and I'm pretty tired). 20:54 < fake> :( 20:55 < fake> maybe tomorrow :) 20:55 < rxr> cu clifford 20:55 < th> later, cliff 20:55 < huebi> cu clifford 20:55 < clifford> fake: maybe you could play arround a bit with the hjl mips fixes which are in the debian tree and the patches in binutils-2.12.90.0.4/mips/ .. 20:55 < fake> clifford: i'll have a look. 20:55 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 20:56 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:56 < holyolli> re 20:57 < tsa> moin holyolli 20:57 < holyolli> moin tsa 20:57 < blindcoder> ...... 20:57 < esden> ok kde packets fixed 20:58 < esden> halt 20:58 < esden> ups wronw win .... 20:59 < blindcoder> esden> what box are you shutting down? 20:59 < esden> the pws 20:59 < esden> I am mounting the harddrive 21:00 < blindcoder> ic 21:00 < blindcoder> hmm 21:01 < esden> ??? 21:02 < blindcoder> where can i find Carp.pm? 21:02 < blindcoder> what package/bundle? 21:02 < tsa> CGI::Carp 21:02 < esden> hmm no idea ... 21:03 < blindcoder> thanks @tsa 21:03 < tsa> no problem.. 21:03 -!- inode [~inode@66.69.86.234] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:03 -!- inode [~inode@cs666986-234.satx.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:06 < holyolli> tsa: wann willst du gegen mich verlieren? 21:07 < tsa> hehe 21:09 < esden> shitt ...!!! 21:09 < esden> f*** 21:09 < esden> this disk is too small too !!! 21:10 < esden> f*** *fluch* 21:10 * fake is installing star-trek bridge comander under wine ;) 21:10 < tsa> wine or wineX ? 21:10 < blindcoder> damnit... why is eth0 down every 10 mins? *wantstothrowsomethingthroughhisroom* 21:11 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.34] has joined #rocklinux 21:11 < Mike1> re 21:11 < esden> blindcoder: throw yourself ;-) 21:12 < esden> blindcoder: or should i come to you so you can throw me ? 21:14 < blindcoder> i dont want to throw you 21:14 < blindcoder> not anymore 21:15 < esden> ??? not anymore ? am I not good enough for you ? 21:16 < blindcoder> tsa> that's not what i need. I need the Carp.pm module for automake 21:17 < rxr> tsa: ah you are here ;-) Are you working on the sf packages? Otherwise I would continue on them this night ... ;-) 21:18 < blindcoder> esden> you were when I found out that it was because of your patch that my PCMCIA didn't work. At the moment I want to throw myself sodfj 21:18 < fake> sodfj. 21:18 < blindcoder> *ARGH* 21:18 < fake> you are too rude to yourself. 21:18 < blindcoder> WHAT'S THIS SHIT? 21:18 < snyke> back 21:18 < snyke> *heuö* 21:18 < fake> it's your typing ;) 21:18 < holyolli> .oO(caps lock jammed?) 21:18 < blindcoder> my network drops out every 5 to 10 minutes 21:18 < snyke> doesn't work 21:19 < snyke> f*cking config (u2s-bug) 21:19 < blindcoder> it's like some cronjob doing ifconfig eth0 down 21:19 < fake> blindcoder: finally your one hub solution breaks down? *g* 21:19 < snyke> *g* 21:19 < blindcoder> two hub 21:19 < snyke> *G* 21:19 < blindcoder> but it's already at an end. I'm getting a second NIC this week 21:20 < snyke> has anybody time of you *g* 21:20 < tsa> rxr: feel free to work on sf as you want.. 21:20 < snyke> for me and my config? 21:20 < snyke> strange... really strange. 21:21 < snyke> postfix OPENS the smtp-port, i is accepting connections, but it doesn't say a single word... 21:21 < snyke> hrm 21:22 < fake> telnet hostname 25 21:22 < fake> HELO 21:23 * blindcoder 's perl installation is lacking every module to execute ANY perl-script. starting with any script using strict and ending with automake 21:23 < snyke> fake try 21:24 < snyke> u know my host - try it 21:24 < snyke> postfix is still running 21:24 < fake> snyke: i believe you can do that yourself. 21:24 < snyke> but I DON'T 21:25 < snyke> oh 21:25 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("Connection reset by telekom") 21:25 < snyke> Altmuehlnet has (i'm not sure) a 2MBit "flat" 21:25 < snyke> that's what pinooo says 21:25 * blindcoder goes to bed after throwing his laptop into the next waste disposal... and himself right behind 21:26 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai, mina-san! 21:26 < tsa> hm.... 21:26 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|baka 21:26 < tsa> snyke: do you have a firewall? 21:26 < snyke> not yet 21:27 < tsa> postfix compiled with libwrap? 21:27 < snyke> poah 21:27 < snyke> i didn't compile that :) 21:27 < snyke> <-- freebsd 21:27 < tsa> hm.... 21:27 < snyke> so the ports collection did that 21:28 < tsa> i'm not familiar with freebsd.. 21:28 < snyke> u know what ports collection is? 21:28 < tsa> yes. 21:28 < snyke> ok 21:28 < snyke> and that way, i compiled it. 21:28 < snyke> hrm 21:29 < snyke> https://sharknt.ath.cx/postfix/ look@main.cf 21:29 < snyke> there i _think_ the problem is 21:32 < fake> == 04/24/02 04:31:24 =[0]=> Finished building package 00-dirtree. 21:32 < fake> YES! 21:32 < fake> *ggg* 21:32 < snyke> *g* 21:32 < esden> with which programm I can scan a scso bus ? 21:32 < tsa> hm....i'd try to unset "myhostname" .....perhaps it's just hanging because it tries to resolve it's own dns name... 21:33 < esden> argh 21:33 < esden> scsi ! 21:33 < fake> autoconf and 00-dirtree are the packages i like best. 21:33 < snyke> mh ok 21:33 < fake> cdrecord -scanbus 21:33 < esden> suuper 21:33 < fake> cdrecord nicht gebaut? schade schade schade ;-) 21:34 < snyke> that's what he should display after connect: smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name 21:34 < fake> cat /proc/something? 21:34 < tsa> /proc/scsi/scsi 21:34 < tsa> ;) 21:34 < esden> haha there it is 21:34 < esden> I love devfs ;-) 21:34 < fake> ? 21:34 < fake> what has /proc todo with devfs? 21:35 < rxr> hm Error installing iKernel.exe: File not found :-( 21:35 < tsa> i guess esden just looked at the contents of /dev/scsi/* 21:35 < snyke> hm 21:35 < snyke> tsa: doesn't work ... 21:36 < snyke> i think 21:36 < tsa> Escape character is '^]'. 21:36 < tsa> *wait* 21:36 < tsa> hm... 21:36 < tsa> strange. 21:36 < tsa> so i guess i have no idea.. 21:37 < fake> snyke: how about asking in #freebsd ? 21:37 < fake> or #postfix ? 21:37 < fake> ;) 21:37 < snyke> hmm 21:37 < esden> argh my alpha can not read the scsi disc ... :-( 21:37 < snyke> i EXACTLY KNOW what they would say 21:37 < snyke> just four letters: RTFM 21:37 < fake> RTFM ? 21:37 < snyke> yes. 21:37 < tsa> hehe 21:37 < fake> snyke: maybe they're right.... 21:37 < snyke> hrm 21:38 < fake> *g* 21:38 < snyke> maybe :) 21:38 < snyke> i'm going to look for german howtos 21:38 < tsa> you could tell them you've lost your manual....but i don't know if that will work... ;-) 21:38 < snyke> i think 21:38 < snyke> lol 21:38 < esden> hmm ... heeeuuulll 21:38 * -> esden <- BAKA 21:38 < snyke> esdi? 21:39 < rxr> fake: did you do s.th special to get your apps running in WINE ? 21:39 * -> esden is too stupid to get a scsi disc in his alpha running 21:39 < esden> let's see what the srm promps says ;-) 21:40 < fake> correct me if im wrong, but mozilla is way better than IE, right? 21:40 < fake> rxr: playing around with native/builtin mode... 21:43 * rxr just using the files from a nt4 installation ... 21:43 < fake> the best page ever: https://www.rasputin.de/CF/Jugend/index.html 21:44 < fake> *lmao* 21:45 < snyke> back 21:46 < fake> Jesus ist cool! 21:46 < snyke> hehe 21:49 * rxr downloading Win-Mozilla to test wine ... 21:55 < rxr> hm Mozilla start to install ;-) 21:56 < rxr> hm now it broke ... 21:57 < tsa> hehe 21:57 < rxr> that is not funny ;-) 21:59 < Mike1> rxr Win-Mozilla what could you spect? 22:00 < rxr> I only want to get Formula One Grand Prix III running - Mozilla was only a test ... :-) 22:01 < Mike1> oh gut 22:01 < Mike1> rxr wie geht es dir ? 22:01 < snyke> yeah 22:01 < snyke> now it's enough 22:01 < rxr> gut! - Und dir? ;-) 22:01 < Mike1> mir es gut 22:01 * snyke is away: jumping out of the cellar window 22:01 < Mike1> :) 22:04 -!- _wschlich [~wschlich@pD955CF73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:05 < term_aweh> good night witheinander 22:06 -!- term_aweh [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has quit ("zz") 22:08 * Mike1 leaving to give a speech about ROCK 22:08 < Mike1> see you in a few hours guys 22:08 < fake> hehe 22:09 < rxr> wow I just installed JRE 1.17 on WINE ... 22:09 < fake> the edonkey client for linux is now able to show these nice progress bars... 22:09 < fake> time to remove wine again ;)) 22:09 < rxr> fake: laeft edonkey in wine? 22:09 < fake> rxr: noe. ;-) 22:10 < fake> aber die neue c-gui ist echt cool. 22:10 < tsa> neu? 22:10 < fake> ein cooles PROGGY. mal sehen ob es auch FUNZT. die ADDY ist... 22:12 < fake> ... 22:12 < esden> From: Bram Moolenaar <Bram@moolenaar.net> 22:12 < esden> goood 22:13 < tsa> esden: ? 22:13 < fake> https://users.aber.ac.uk/tpm01/guihome.html 22:13 < esden> looool 22:13 < esden> muahaha 22:14 * tsa still running old gui/core 22:14 < esden> Bram Moolenaar is cool ;-) 22:14 < tsa> esden: what did he do? 22:14 * tsa still wondering... 22:14 < esden> I send him my desc syntax file 22:14 < esden> he accepted it and will include it 22:14 < tsa> ah...cool 22:15 < esden> so we will have the desc syntax highliting in vim !!! 22:15 < esden> *jump_around* 22:16 < esden> he also told me to improove two lines I have written wrong 22:16 -!- wschlich_ [~wschlich@pD9E3EF83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:20 < esden> I will have to write syntax highliting file for our rocklinux .in files 22:21 < esden> the files thot ore being parsed by ./scripts/Config to create our configurotion menus ... 22:24 < fake> and i will go and read a good book now. 22:24 < fake> sleep well, see you tomorrow. 22:25 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 < holyolli> re 22:27 < tsa> re holyolli 22:29 < esden> ok reply to moolenaar sent ... 22:29 < esden> hi holyolli 22:29 < holyolli> hi esden 22:30 < holyolli> tsa: hast du dich nun darauf eingestellt zu verlieren? ;) 22:31 < tsa> hehe... 22:33 < esden> hmm ich muss morgen zu lrz ... ich glaube naemlich hoehstwahrscheinlich die inkempatibilitaet zwichen den kernel versionon rausgefunden die dazu fuehrt dass diesel plugable scheduler path ven hp nicht funktioniert 22:33 < esden> schuene sache finde ich 22:33 < esden> endlich nach einer woche glaube ich dass ich dass problem lokolisiert hab ... 22:34 < esden> naja ich muss jetzt die lrz tuepen fragen mit welcher version vom kernel die den patch benutzt haben 22:35 < esden> dann kann ich den kernel mit dem aktuellen vergleichen und dann habe ich huechstwahrcheinlich dass problem zumindest mal umkreist 22:35 < esden> ich rate mal dass der fehler im kernel/sched.c 22:36 < esden> in der scheduler funktien liegt 22:37 < holyolli> if anyone is interessted in ut with tsa and me..: 217.14.168.2 ;-) 22:37 < esden> genau gesagt gleich nach "repeat_schedule:" 22:37 < esden> holyolli: no gamer here ... & no ut 22:38 < holyolli> och 22:38 < holyolli> schade :( 22:38 < esden> holyolli: tja ... 22:38 < esden> holyolli: hast aboot paket fertig ? 22:38 * holyolli also isn't a real gamer...just for fun 22:38 < holyolli> esden: es geht... ;) 22:39 < esden> und wo war dass problem ? 22:39 < holyolli> ich wollte nachher mal in huebis cvs einchecken..muss bis dahin aber noch testen 22:39 < holyolli> layer-8-problem 22:39 < holyolli> ;) 22:39 < esden> holyolli: hehe 22:39 < holyolli> <-- wech 22:39 < esden> schicke mir dann auch nen diff 22:40 < esden> naja oder ich hole mir es aus huebis cvs 22:40 < esden> vielleicht morgen mache ich mit huebi nen sync 22:40 < esden> dann passt die sache wieder ... 22:40 < esden> dann hat der huebi seinen baum auch up to date ... 22:49 < rxr> does someone know in which format windows files are when they have a _ at the end? like ikernel.ex_ ? 22:54 < snyke> n8 ppl 22:54 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("BitchX FTP Site -- ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/network/chat/irc") 22:55 < rxr> ) reboot (restart) your computer 22:55 < rxr> 2) click SLOWLY on the installer application 22:55 < rxr> ahh - slowly anklicken - alles klar ;-) 22:56 < esden> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/vim/ <- have fun 22:56 < esden> it will get bigger 22:56 < esden> rxr: IIRC they are in cab format 22:57 < esden> rxr: compressed 22:58 < rxr> rene@jackson:/mnt/cdrom/Grand Prix 3 > cabextract ikernel.ex_ 22:58 < rxr> Extracting cabinet: ikernel.ex_ 22:58 < rxr> ikernel.ex_: not a Microsoft cabinet file 22:59 < rxr> the stupid installer is somehow not findig this shit file ... :-( 22:59 < esden> hmm 23:00 < esden> read the source perhups then you find the error *fg* 23:04 < esden> n8 23:05 < rxr> cu 23:24 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9523D66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 23:33 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817E0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") --- Log closed Wed Apr 24 00:00:55 2002