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--- Log opened Mon May 06 00:00:03 2002
--- Day changed Mon May 06 2002
00:00 < esden> ok raw is now functional
00:00 < esden> display has problems now ...
00:12 < rxr> so bin erstmal was essen - und dann schreibe ich mal nen gp3 + wine howto. die site hat jetzt schon 545 hits ;-) ...
00:13 < holyolli> hehe..../me wird nu schlafen gehn
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00:13 < tsa> n8 holyolli
00:13 < holyolli> hi und n8 clifford
00:13 < tsa> bis morgen mittag oder so
00:13 < holyolli> jo
00:13 < holyolli> tsa: bistu morgen inna uni?
00:13 < holyolli> (so das erste mal im semester...?)
00:14 < tsa> aehm..noe. moren is nix ordentliches. 
00:14 < tsa> +g
00:14 < tsa> ~13.15 @work.
00:14 < holyolli> .oO(ist es das irgendwann mal...? ;-)
00:14 < esden> urgh ...
00:14 < holyolli> gut. dann bis spaeter
00:14 < holyolli> cya
00:14 < tsa> esden: hm?
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00:14 < esden> nichts nichts ... mein hirn brutzelt nur ein bissel ...
00:15 < tsa> hehe
00:17 < esden> ok ... mit gewalt kann man paar sachen loesen ;-)
00:17 < tsa> hehe
00:18 < esden> es gibt kein problem dass man nicht mit einer kleinen taktischen nuklearwaffe nicht loesen koennte ;-)
00:18 < esden> -nicht(nr.2)
00:20 < tsa> doch - beschaffung von nuklearwaffen
00:21 < esden> stimmt ...
00:22 < esden> nee dass einzige problem ist die kritische masse an radioaktivem material... den rest kann man aus haushaltsmitteln zusammenstellen
00:26 < tsa> hm....ich koennt hoechstens mit alter linsensuppe dienen.. ;)
00:27 < tsa> aber die ist weder radioaktiv noch explosiv.
00:32 < esden> tsa: linsensuppe ist super denn ich habe hunger und mit leerem magen bereitet es sich die uebername der weltherrschaft so schlecht ...
00:32 < tsa> hm...das ist nen argument ;)
00:40 < esden> yoyo mount geht auch jetzt ...
00:49 < esden> soo jetzt geht utillinux ...
00:50 < esden> ich bin gespannt was der clifford dazu sagt ... ich glaube er sagt dass ich es alles sauberer machen soll ... aber es gent ;-)
00:50 < esden> naja sagen wir so es compiliert ;-)
00:50 < tsa> hehe....das ist doch nen guter anfang..
00:51 < tsa> hast du nur an util-linux selber rumgepatcht, oder auch an dietlibc?
00:55 < esden> 332 zeilen patch ... woot
00:55 < tsa> hehe
00:55 < esden> tsa: nur util-linux
00:55 < tsa> schoen, dass das laeuft.
00:55 < esden> tsa: schon
00:56 < tsa> hm...kannst den patch ja mal an den maintainer schicken...vielleicht nehmen sie es mit auf und ueberhaeufen dich mit ruhm und ehre ;-)
00:57 < esden> tsa: der patch is sehr dietlibc spezifisch
00:57 < esden> nach dem patch glaube ich nicht dass es mit glibc compiliert
00:58 < tsa> hm...
00:58 < esden> obwohl ... nee tut es nicht ...
00:59 < tsa> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/lame.patch
00:59 < tsa> was tut denn der?
01:00 < tsa> das zusaetzliche CONFIG_I_AM_LAME wird doch nicht wirklich genutzt, oder? 
01:00 < esden> nein ... ;-)
01:00 < tsa> hehe...
01:01 < esden> aber ich habe mir schon ueberlegt dass ich im netzwerk irgendwas umbaue dass wenn du telnet oder so machst eine meldung zurueckgeliefert wird in der form "this machine is being used by a LAMER" ;-)
01:02 < tsa> hm...das sollte eigentlich einfach sein.
01:02 < esden> tsa: viel spass beim coden ;-)
01:13 < tsa> soo..ich geh denn mal schlafen.
01:13 < tsa> n8
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01:21 < esden> yoo ok utillinux geht jetzt !!!
01:21 < esden> perfekt ... gleich nen patch machen
01:27 < esden> soo mail mit dem patch weg ...
01:27 < esden> jetzt gehe ich ne rauchen und dann schlafen ...
01:27 < esden> bzw erst heim und dann schlafen
01:28 < huebi> so ripclaw is gerade gegangen.
01:29 < esden> re huebi 
01:29 < huebi> re esden 
01:29 < huebi> die U5 hat jetzt auch ein frisches OBP
01:29 < esden> huebi: ich habe nen erfolgreichen tag heute ich habe 2 pakete an dietlibc angepasst... 
01:30 < esden> der clifford haette dass in 0,nichts geschafft aber naja ... ich bin nicht clifford 
01:30 < huebi> bei mir war es nicht so erfolgreich. Ich baue jetzt noch eine extension fuer 1.5.15
01:31 < huebi> pcre, eine lib fuer kde
01:31 < esden> und ich baue mir ne zigarette ;-)
01:40 < esden> n8'ele 
01:40 < huebi> n8 esden 
02:26 < jonath[an]> hello guys
02:32 < huebi> hi jonath[an] 
02:32 < huebi> I go to bed now.
02:32 < huebi> cu tomorrow
02:35 < jonath[an]> cu huebi 
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02:44 < d3mian> brb
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02:48 < rxr> hi d3mian!
02:48 < d3mian> hi rene
02:48 < d3mian> still awake?
02:49 < rxr> jups I promissed some guys to write a wine howto - so i'm waiting for my laptop to finishd a new wine compilation ...
02:49 < d3mian> rxr: have u put a DNS on a dRock system?
02:49 < d3mian> ic, cool
02:49 < rxr> you mean the libresolv on the boot CD ?
02:50 < d3mian> no, i mean make dRock a dns server
02:50 < rxr> ah I see
02:50 < rxr> do you need a full server of just a proxy / cache ?
02:50 < d3mian> cache, IP and Name resolv
02:51 < rxr> ah
02:51 < d3mian> the IP resolv doesnt work
02:51 < d3mian> the name resolv yes
02:51 < rxr> for cacheing we have pdnsd and the glibc's native one 
02:51 < rxr> d3mian: ?? huh!
02:51 < rxr> waht doesn't work? Here works all perfectly ...
02:51 * rxr puzzled ...
02:51 < d3mian> i mean reverse ip lookup
02:52 < rxr> nad by the way as server we have bind, too ...
02:52 < rxr> reverse lookup - ok
02:52 < rxr> what do you wanna do ?
02:52 < d3mian> put a private LAN DNS
02:53 < d3mian> it works
02:53 < d3mian> but not in reverse lookup
02:53 < rxr> which server do you use?
02:53 < d3mian> named
02:54 < rxr> and how do you initiate a reverse lookup ?
02:54 < d3mian> um, i make a file named 192.168.1.in-addr.arpa
02:54 < d3mian> which is called from named.conf
02:55 < rxr> I mean which tool do you use for the reverse lookup?
02:55 < rxr> host whatis ...
02:55 < d3mian> nslookup
02:55 < rxr> and what is the error?
02:55 < rxr> all the tools work correct here (just tested)
02:56 < d3mian> named works fine, i know
02:56 < d3mian> nslookup cant resolve IPs
02:56 < d3mian> just for localhost (127.0.0.in-addr.arpa)
02:56 < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > nslookup 193.99.144.71
02:56 < rxr> Note:  nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases.
02:56 < rxr> Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead.  Run nslookup with
02:56 < rxr> the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing.
02:56 < rxr> Server:         192.168.1.2
02:56 < rxr> Address:        192.168.1.2#53
02:57 < rxr> Non-authoritative answer:
02:57 < rxr> 71.144.99.193.in-addr.arpa      name = www.heise.de.
02:57 < rxr> Authoritative answers can be found from:
02:57 < d3mian> umm, well ill try those
02:57 < d3mian> im using drock 1.4.2
02:58 < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > host 193.99.144.71
02:58 < rxr> 71.144.99.193.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer www.heise.de.
02:58 < d3mian> ok
02:59 < rxr> it also works in my private net
02:59 < d3mian> ic
03:00 < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > host 192.168.1.5
03:00 < rxr> 5.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer portable.localnet.
03:00 < d3mian> i did this 15 minutes ago
03:00 < rxr> what was the error?
03:01 < d3mian> no, i mean with nsllokup
03:01 < d3mian> nslookup couldnt resolve IP
03:01 < rxr> what das /etc/{resolv.conf,nsswitch.conf} contain ?
03:01 < d3mian> and in slack it works
03:01 < d3mian> order hosts, bind
03:01 < d3mian> multi on
03:02 < d3mian> ns rocka.demiansoft.co.cr
03:02 < d3mian> search rocka.demiansoft.co.cr
03:02 < rxr> where is this "ns rocka.demiansoft.co.cr" line in?
03:02 < d3mian> no
03:03 < d3mian> sorry, instead names, they are IPs
03:03 < d3mian> ns = nameserver
03:03 < d3mian> i couldnt understand ur question
03:04 < rxr> well, behind search a domain name should follow, which will be added to unqualified names ...
03:04 < d3mian> the dns is ok, but the reverse lookup fails, i dunno why
03:05 < rxr> but this is not the reason for your problem ...
03:06 < rxr> there might be a tiny misoconfiguration somewhere ... - I also had some fragile setups. The glibc-2.2 is much more robust against tiny missing peaces in the config
03:07 < rxr> so you could try 1.6.0 ...
03:07 < d3mian> ok
03:07 < d3mian> i have a iso next to me :-)
03:07 < rxr> we have a new mirror ;-)
03:07 < d3mian> yes?
03:08 < rxr> https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/
03:08 < rxr> should be pretty fast - maybe you could test this out ?
03:08 < d3mian> ill test it now
03:08 < d3mian> ;-)
03:08 < d3mian> where is it located?
03:09 < rxr> at my "university" ...
03:09 < d3mian> umm , ok
03:09 < d3mian> and it is not too flooded?
03:09 < rxr> why?
03:10 < d3mian> im in costarica, with a poor conection, which used to fall in floods
03:10 < d3mian> im too in a university, and it is too flooded
03:11 < rxr> in germany the universities have fairly well connections ...
03:11 < rxr> I jsut tried the side
03:11 < d3mian> well, it doesnt care, ill try anyway
03:11 < rxr> I get 124.15K/s so it is limitted by my DSL connect - not the http server on the other side ;-)
03:12 < d3mian> mine too, mainly after 0h
03:12 < rxr> hehe
03:12 < rxr> you can wait some hours - maybe letting the wget run in s detached screen ...
03:13 < rxr> feel free to paste your download rate here ;)
03:14 < d3mian> ok
03:14 < d3mian> yes, screen
03:17 < d3mian> ive started
03:17 < d3mian> it is at 80K
03:18 < d3mian> :)
03:19 < d3mian> rene, i have other prob with 1.4.2
03:20 < rxr> urgh which ones?
03:20 < rxr> (but my wine build completed ...)
03:20 < d3mian> with write and talk
03:20 < d3mian> look this:
03:20 < d3mian> d3vil@rocka:~ $ echo strange | write admin > write.log
03:20 < d3mian> write: can't find your tty's name
03:20 < d3mian> d3vil@rocka:~ $ id ; tty
03:20 < d3mian> uid=1003(d3vil) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
03:20 < d3mian> d3vil@rocka:~ $
03:20 < d3mian> john@rocka:~ $ write d3vil
03:20 < d3mian> write: can't find your tty's name
03:20 < d3mian> john@rocka:~ $ id ; tty
03:20 < d3mian> uid=1002(john) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
03:21 < d3mian> john@rocka:~ $
03:21 < d3mian>  /dev/vc/3
03:21 < d3mian> -------> write: can't find your tty's name <--------
03:21 < d3mian> what is it?
03:21 < d3mian> but with root users it works
03:23 < rxr> strange it works here and on other systems ...
03:24 < d3mian> um :(
03:24 < rxr> I tested it on 1.4.0-DEV and 1.6.0-DEV
03:24 < d3mian> i use 1.4.2
03:24 < rxr> But when you wait a hour I can reboot my laptop and test it on a vanilla 1.4.2 ...
03:24 < d3mian> if u want
03:25 < d3mian> last time i had a similar prob, some users logged in never appear in "finger, who, w" etc
03:26 < d3mian> and now this, its strange
03:26 < d3mian> at least for me
03:26 < rxr> it is also strange for me - since I never got this 
03:27 < d3mian> i make a new user, change ur gid, reboot, log in another tty, but the prob persist for all non-root uid
03:27 < d3mian> users
03:28 < rxr> what does: "ls -l /proc/self/fd/* | grep pts" output?
03:29 < d3mian> i not on rocka now
03:29 < d3mian> but i can try later
03:30 < d3mian> what does it should display?
03:32 < d3mian> ( connection rate is now in 60Kb/s )
03:32 < rxr> in /proc/self/fd/* you'll find all open file descriptors your programm has
03:32 < rxr> the grep filters for pseudeo terminal devices used by xterm style programs
03:33 < rxr> when you are in a real virtual terminal you need | grep vt
03:33 < d3mian> umm, so so
03:33 < rxr> you then know on which divice your prog runs and you can take a look which permissions this device has
03:34 < d3mian> ic
03:34 < d3mian> :-)
03:35 < d3mian> so, maybe users doesnt have correct permissions to terminal devices?
03:35 < rxr> no they are set automatically by the kernel (I guess ...)
03:36 < d3mian> dunno
03:37 < rxr> you could also test whether last works correctly ...
03:38 < d3mian> umm, ive compiled 2.4.18
03:38 < d3mian> it seems to be ok
03:40 < rxr> no the command "last"
03:41 < d3mian> hehe
03:41 < d3mian> yes, it works fine
03:41 < d3mian> lastlog is ok
03:41 < rxr> on your home box ?
03:41 < d3mian> yes
03:42 < d3mian> i know, cauz i tested it
03:43 < rxr> hm ?!?
03:43 < d3mian> tail -f /var/log/lastlog , and the users logged in and out, the entries are fine
03:44 * rxr really puzzled
03:44 < d3mian> arrg
03:44 < rxr> I check this on a vanilly 1.4.1 on my lappy
03:44 < d3mian> ok
03:45 < rxr> btw what 1.4.2 did you used? There never was a 1.4.2 release ...
03:45 < d3mian> dont remember :p
03:47 < d3mian> well, if i cant solve this, ill take over my rock 1.5.13
03:47 < d3mian> before get more probs i mean
03:48 < d3mian> maybe my system is collapsed, dunno 
03:49 < d3mian> brb
03:54 < d3mian> rene: have u tried this in ur vanilla?
04:08 < d3mian> brb
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04:10 < d3mian> re
04:28 < rxr> hi
04:29 < rxr> no my lappy is busy running various versions of wine to get some info for my gp3 install howto ...
04:29 < d3mian> ahhh ok
04:30 < d3mian> dunt worry
04:30 < d3mian> what's gp3?
04:35 < rxr> a racing simulation 
04:35 < rxr> a game
04:35 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/me/gp3/gallery.html
04:36 < d3mian> hehe, thnx
04:41 < d3mian> cool snaps rene
04:41 < d3mian> ;-)
04:43 < d3mian> i was tainted by new rocklinux websites look
04:43 < d3mian> is there a sed script to build these pages?
04:49 < d3mian> ( 55% Downloaded at 69Kb/s )
04:49 < rxr> the usual rock.sed script
04:49 < rxr> but you only need to exchange two values in your old script to get the new colors ...
04:49 < rxr> the menu-bar are some other 6 lines or so ...
04:51 < d3mian> umm
04:51 < d3mian> where do i  get the new rock.sed?
04:52 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/rock.sed
04:52 < rxr> as usual
04:52 < d3mian> ok, thnx
04:52 < d3mian> :)
04:52 < d3mian> really cool
04:53 < d3mian> and a simple index.in file? where can i get a sample of this?
04:55 < d3mian> ive found one
05:00 < rxr> ;-)
06:08 < d3mian> dRock 1.6 is now Here rene
06:10 < rxr> d3mian: it is not 1.6 - it is 1.6.0-rc2 (!!!)
06:10 < rxr> but yeah - nice!
06:11 < d3mian> hehe
06:11 < d3mian> ok ok, well, now ill bring a CD to start burning
06:11 < rxr> ,)
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06:29 < rxr> urgh and no 2.5.14 is out!
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06:39 < d3mian> rxr: now im burning and downloading CD-2
06:47 < rxr> fine!
06:58 < rxr> well - a new version of the gp3 page is online:
06:58 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/me/gp3/gallery.html
06:59 < rxr> including a howto install this game ;-) and some not-to and install screenshots ...
06:59 < d3mian> let'see what we have here ;-)
06:59 < rxr> the site had 556 hits so far ;-)
07:00 < d3mian> cool
07:01 < d3mian> i suppose i cant play this game in a system without opengl and just with 8Mb in videoram, or yes?
07:01 < rxr> maybe ...
07:02 < rxr> if your cpu has say > 600 Mhz ...
07:02 < d3mian> nop
07:02 < rxr> btw the game is a commercial one - and you must buy it ...
07:02 < d3mian> i have a k6-2 450
07:02 < d3mian> ic
07:03 < rxr> maybe it would run in 640x480 and low details ...
07:03 < d3mian> well, chronium is almost imposibble top run at rocka
07:04 < rxr> sure chromium uses opengl and so XFree uses software emulation -> this is dog slow ...
07:04 < d3mian> yes, i noted that :p
07:05 < rxr> but stuff like clanbomber or this game might run with a decent speed ...
07:05 < d3mian> yes, clanbomber runs cool
07:06 < d3mian> i really need to upgrade Rocka
07:06 < rxr> hrad or software ?
07:06 < huebi> moin
07:06 < d3mian> software
07:07 < rxr> hi huebi !
07:07 < d3mian> i dont have openlg neither a cool video card
07:07 < huebi> hi rxr d3mian 
07:07 < d3mian> yo huebi 
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07:11 < d3mian> hola freed 
07:12 < d3mian> ( 55% CD-2 at 80Kb/s )
07:18 < rxr> huebi: maybe you could point your friend to this site:
07:18 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/me/gp3/gallery.html
07:18 < rxr> maybe he find s.th. he can fix ;-)
07:19 < huebi> rxr: If I meet him next, I point him to this side.
07:20 < rxr> huebi: thank!
07:22 < rxr> ok now I let my ROCK build be a ROCK build and try to take some hours of sleep before the university ...
07:22 < rxr> cu later!
07:23 < huebi> n8 rxr
07:23 < d3mian> have a good night rene
07:23 < d3mian> ( 85% CD-2 at 80Kb/s )
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07:38 < d3mian> download completed, now burning
07:56 < huebi> cu later
07:56 < d3mian> cu huebi 
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09:07 < tsa> moin allerseits.
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09:11 < d3mian> hello tsa 
09:13 < tsa> hi d3mian
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09:43 < esden> moin moin
09:50 < tsa> moin esden
09:50 < d3mian> hello esden 
09:50 < d3mian> :)
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09:51 < tsa> hi ringo78
09:53 < tsa> *gaeeehn*
09:54 < tsa> hm....viel zu frueh..
09:54 < huebi_> re
09:55 < d3mian> re huebi_ 
09:55 < d3mian> ringo78 
09:55 < clifford> hi!
09:55 < huebi_> hi clifford 
09:56 < clifford> huebi_: I'm linking projects/rock17 now to your dir ..
09:56 < huebi_> clifford: ok, great
09:56 < d3mian> hi clifford 
09:57 < clifford> huebi_: No - I'm not doing it yet: could you please move everything from people/huebi/ to people/huebi/rock17/ .. we would otherwise get a problem if you would like to create another homepage for something else later..
09:58 < huebi_> How do I get my nich back? /msg nickserv ghost huebi <passwd> ?
09:58 < SMP> huebi_: /nick huebi
09:58 < SMP> ?
09:58 < huebi_> clifford: I have to find out how...
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09:59 < d3mian> :)
09:59 < huebi> ahh
09:59 < huebi> SMP: Thank you
09:59 < d3mian> hehe
10:00 < ringo78> hi all, am trying to learn how to prog ... 600 pgs left ..
10:00 < huebi> clifford: Can I use the rock.sed script only localy? 
10:01 < clifford> huebi: are you using my maintain.sh script? (doesn't look like you do)
10:01 * clifford is back in a minute ... (phone call)
10:01 < esden> hi clifford 
10:01 < huebi> clifford: I tried it yesterday evening. But it didn't work.
10:02 * -> esden is making the sysvinit patch
10:05 * d3mian arrrg, cant set a reverse dns lookup in rocka :(
10:06 * clifford is back.
10:06 < clifford> huebi: what was the problem?
10:06 < huebi> people/huebi/rock16 <- better 16?
10:07 < huebi> clifford: I did not get a connect yesterday. Now it did work
10:08 < clifford> huebi: oh - sure....  :-)
10:11 < clifford> huebi: hmm - now you only uploaded the .in file...
10:11 < huebi> clifford: now it's ok again.
10:12 < huebi> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/huebi/rock16/ <- now works
10:12 < clifford> huebi: linked to https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock16
10:13 < tsa> hi clifford
10:13 < tsa> hi huebi
10:13 < d3mian> how can i download a entire web folder, like https://docs.online.bg/OREILLY/samba/Using_Samba/ ?
10:13 < huebi> how can I pass my password to maintain.sh
10:13 < huebi> ?
10:13 < huebi> hi tsa 
10:13 < tsa> d3mian: hm...wget ?
10:14 < d3mian> tsa: sure, -np -r didnt work
10:14 < tsa> wget -r -l <something> $URL
10:14 < d3mian> tsa: i havent tried -l option, ill try now
10:14 < tsa> ok..
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10:14 < tsa> hi netcrow
10:14 < netcrow> hi
10:15 < tsa> hm....this server is damn slow...
10:15 < clifford> huebi: you don't. rsync will ask for it.
10:15 < huebi> clifford: I don't want to be asked for an automatic deploy ;-)
10:16 < huebi> --password-file=FILE <- That's it
10:16 < tsa> uh..password in a cleartext-file?
10:17 < clifford> huebi: yes. you can modify maintain.sh so it passes the --password-file option.
10:17 < clifford> just make sure that the password file is in another directory - so you don't sync it tot the server ..  :-)
10:17 < d3mian> tsa: it didnt work
10:17 < d3mian> hi netcrow 
10:17 < tsa> d3mian: hnm...
10:17 < tsa> clifford: hehe
10:17 < huebi> clifford: Thank you for that hint :-)
10:18 < d3mian> i used whet -r -l 5 , and -np
10:19 < d3mian> tsa: maybe the site ? (https://docs.online.bg/OREILLY/samba/Using_Samba/)
10:19 * tsa trying
10:19 < tsa> hm....the site is soo slooooooow..
10:20 < tsa> :-(
10:20 < d3mian> hehe, yes i know
10:20 < SMP> huebi: could you please run 'sendmail -bD -q' on ella for a moment?
10:20 < tsa> -bd
10:20 < tsa> probably.
10:20 < SMP> no, -bD
10:20 < SMP> D is for foreground
10:21 < huebi> SMP: sendmail -bD -q is running
10:21 < tsa> hm....omitting "-bD" should geve the same result.
10:21 < tsa> give
10:22 < SMP> huebi: ouch ..
10:22 < SMP> huebi: /var/spool/clientmqueue seems to be really full! ;)
10:23 < SMP> how does one run that queue?
10:23 < clifford> *ROTFL*  www.clifford.at/fun/email.txt
10:24 < tsa> *LOL*
10:24 < tsa> hehe...nicht schlecht.
10:24 < huebi> *LOL*
10:24 < d3mian> *g
10:25 * d3mian smile cauz he couldnt understand the mail
10:26 < tsa> d3mian: the site's so slow i can't even see what's there...
10:26 < huebi> ll /var/spool/clientmqueue/ |wc -l = 2421
10:26 < d3mian> tsa: ic
10:26 < tsa> d3mian: are you only interested in "using samba"?
10:26 < d3mian> tsa: well, it is not for me, but, why?
10:26 < huebi> SMP: cron wants to talk a lot. Without sendmail running
10:26 < d3mian> tsa: i can try another site
10:27 < tsa> d3mian: i have it at home, i can send it to you as a .tgz when i get back home..
10:27 < esden> clifford: mail raus mit dem utmpdump patch
10:27 < d3mian> tsa: as u want, if u can of course :)
10:27 < tsa> d3mian: no problem....where do you want me to send it?
10:28 < d3mian> tsa: calvania@users.sourceforge.net
10:28 < tsa> ok. 
10:28 * tsa sending myself a reminder..
10:28 < ringo78> Whats a nice program to print some howto's etc? Wanna trye lprng.. Hopefully it works.
10:28 < clifford> esden: https://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/ - ich brauch dann die IRC Channel Summary fuer die 1. ausgabe. Bis wann kannst du da was schreiben?
10:28 < d3mian> tsa: im still interested to get a entire site with wget, are u sure wget -r -np -l <depth> works fine?
10:29 < clifford> huebi: wie siehts aus mit deinem artikel?
10:29 < tsa> d3mian: should work without problems..
10:29 < d3mian> tsa: ok, thnx
10:29 < huebi> clifford: heute abend habe ich wieder Zeit.
10:29 < tsa> ringo78: you could give "cups" a try..
10:30 < clifford> huebi: super!
10:30 < esden> clifford: schocke mich halt ... heute nicht mehr ... aber morgen versuche ich es zu machen... welchen zeitraum ?
10:30 < d3mian> i havent tried cups, is there a howto in rock 1.5.13?
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10:30 < huebi> ringo78: I'll get cups as default printer deamon in 1.5. It hast some more nice features than lprng
10:31 < clifford> esden: 1-2 wochen. Ich haette gern issue #1 vor linuxtag fertig. Dann haben wir nach linuxtag und sane ein paar messeberichte fuer issue #2.
10:31 < tsa> LOL.
10:31 < tsa> This is Rock Pretty/Stupid!  The definitive moron installation for Rock Linux.
10:31 < ringo78> ok i'll use cups later i just configd lrng ... So must print a page first ....
10:32 < esden> clifford: asoo ... ok ... dann werde ich es versuchen bis ende der woche zu machen ... 
10:32 < SMP> clifford: you seem to be having a lot of time lately.. too few paid work? ;)
10:32 * -> esden saugt die irclogs auf den laptop
10:33 < clifford> SMP: yes. (which can be good or bad ...  :-)
10:33 * clifford needs a ROCK Linux sponsor so he gets paid for doing ROCK Linux all the day.
10:34 * huebi has one ;-)
10:35 < tsa> huebi: :-PPPP
10:35 < huebi> tsa: hehe
10:35 * clifford -> "Developing OpenSource Software for food!"  ...   :-))
10:35 < esden> clifford: not only you ..
10:36 * -> esden needs also a sponsor ... :-(
10:36 < tsa> <aol> me too, me too! </aol>
10:37 < huebi> :-))) since saturday I can hear: <AOL> Sie haben Post! </AOL>
10:37 < tsa> <- will work for food, bandwidth and cool hardware ;-)
10:37 * SMP thinks that 'to become rich' is a far better plan than 'for food'
10:37 < tsa> huebi: ARRRGGH
10:37 < huebi> must now by started from procmail ;-)
10:37 < tsa> huebi: hehe
10:37 < tsa> SMP: hm...still planning for "world domination"? ;-)
10:38 < clifford> SMP: But what does a plan for 'getting rich' help if you are starving!
10:38 < SMP> tsa: world domination through pr0n !!!1
10:39 < tsa> SMP: i doubt if that will work..
10:39 < SMP> (funny only if you know what my business is about the other half of the time)
10:39 < tsa> oh-oh..
10:40 * clifford is looking fo a good (open source) web log alaysis tool.
10:40 < tsa> SMP: hm...so what is it..?
10:40 < tsa> clifford: webalizer?
10:40 < esden> clifford: webalizer ?
10:41 < esden> tsa: grrr
10:41 < SMP> webalizer *muahaha*
10:41 < SMP> pure crap
10:41 < huebi> SMP: Your are not only having an ISP bussiness? Do you also have a bussiness in the red light district? ;->
10:41 < tsa> huebi: seems so..
10:41 < esden> SMP: so what do you prefere ?
10:41 < SMP> yeah, we also do stuff like https://www.showserver.de/
10:41 < SMP> esden: none
10:42 < SMP> I use webalizer, but only because clients like the colourful charts
10:43 < SMP> if I want a question answered from the logs I write a tool ad-hoc
10:43 < esden> SMP: you prefere the pure logs ... right ?
10:43 < esden> SMP: ok
10:43 < huebi> esden: sort -u <access.log >customer.wants.to.have.much.data
10:43 < huebi> bbl
10:44 < esden> huebi: hehe
10:45 < tsa> SMP: showserver.de seems to be broken...
10:45 < clifford> I would need something simple tiny. I think of ./thetool < access.log > statistic.html
10:45 < tsa> want me to pay some money first...
10:45 < clifford> But I think i will need to write something like that myself.
10:45 < SMP> tsa: that's the 'getting rich' part of the plan
10:45 < tsa> SMP: does it work?
10:46 < tsa> clifford: you could try https://www.analog.cx
10:46 < esden> clifford: could you before you write it upload a new snap ?
10:46 < tsa> ..or webalizer ;-)
10:46 < SMP> clifford: do you know analog? it's too rogue alone, but there exist one or two frontends for analog
10:46 < SMP> tsa: it's starting to work
10:47 < clifford> funny. /me co-developed https://www.gentics.com/Content.Node2/german/produkte/neu/trackingnode/1581.php and now I can't find a log analyser ..  :-)
10:48 < SMP> as for webalizer, I'd like to quote the 1.3 source:
10:48 < SMP> u_long  rec_tstamp;
10:48 < tsa> SMP: hm....ok...perhaps we should set up xxx.rocklinux.org ;-)
10:48 < SMP> [...]
10:49 < SMP> rec_tstamp=((jdate(rec_day,rec_month,rec_year)-epoch)*1000000)+
10:49 < SMP>             (rec_hour*10000) + (rec_min*100) + rec_sec;
10:49 < SMP> this most *stupid* conversation results in rec_timestamp overflowing way before 2038
10:50 < SMP> namely on 4.10.2001 23:59:59
10:50 < SMP> it's fixed in 2.0, but I don't trust anyone who has ever released such crappy code
10:52 < clifford> esden: I've only integrated your patches since the last snap ..
10:54 < esden> clifford: aha ok ... I thought you have done something with dietlibc dynamic linking ... so I wanted to test it ...
10:54 < clifford> esden: Oh that - it's just a few lines of code. I'm testing it right now and will upload it when it turned out to work ..
10:55 < esden> clifford: good thanks
10:55 * -> esden hat keine lust auf die zentraluebung mathe .... :-(
10:56 < tsa> hehe
10:56 < tsa> esden: verstaendlich..
10:56 < esden> tsa: schuen dass ich mal verstanden werde ;-)
10:56 * tsa muss auch noch ne mathe-pruefung machen...
10:57 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
10:57 -!- kvak|uninvited [uninvited@pD9590E7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ROCKLINUX
10:57 < tsa> hi kvak|uninvited
10:57 < esden> hi uni *knuddelwuddel* alter kamerad
10:57 < kvak|uninvited> hello.
10:57 < kvak|uninvited> Hi esden.
10:58 < esden> kvak|uninvited: wie gehts ?
10:58 < SMP> schwul?
10:58 < kvak|uninvited> This question sent by the rock mailing list - about problems on swat...
10:58 < tsa> SMP: hehe
10:58 < d3mian> hello kvak|uninvited 
10:58 < kvak|uninvited> ...is this a 1.7 problem only ?
10:58 < kvak|uninvited> I had problems on 1.4 and a 1.5.13 snapshot too.
10:58 < esden> SMP: nee nicht wirklich ... 
10:59 < kvak|uninvited> smp> ja *G*
10:59 < esden> kvak|uninvited: psst ;-)
10:59 < kvak|uninvited> hehe
11:00 < kvak|uninvited> So, anyone confirming problems with swat out of 1.4 or 1.5.13 snaps ?
11:00 * tsa didn't try...
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11:01 < tsa> hi simon
11:01 < d3mian> hello simon
11:02 < d3mian> there is a new rock linux dns working :)
11:04 < d3mian> ouch !!!
11:04 < d3mian> reverse lookup for a zone is not working :(
11:04 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux
11:05 < holyolli> moin
11:05 < d3mian> moin holyolli 
11:05 < holyolli> hi d3mian
11:06 < tsa> tag holyolli
11:06 < holyolli> tag tsa
11:07 < tsa> *gaehn*
11:08 < holyolli> tsa: go on working...no sleeping :-P
11:09 < tsa> holyolli: hast du den backup-server schon fertig eingerichtet?
11:09 < tsa> :-P
11:09 < holyolli> hast du die websachen schon von vivaldi auf bach migriert?
11:09 < ringo78> What is the name of the paralel port (the 1st)?
11:09 * -> esden starts to write the rolling rock irc summary ...
11:10 < d3mian> lp0 ?
11:10 < tsa> holyolli: nein, soll ich mal eben?
11:10 < holyolli> tsa: mach doch
11:10 < tsa> holyolli: neee....ich bastel lieber das routing kaputt.
11:11 < kvak|uninvited> LPT1 ;-)
11:11 < tsa> hehe ;)
11:11 < d3mian> *g ;-)
11:12 < tsa> perhaps /dev/has/anyone/seen/my/parallel/interface/here
11:12 < holyolli> tsa: ab wann bistu hier?
11:12 < kvak|uninvited> cya all
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11:12 < tsa> holyolli: 13.00 + e
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11:13 < holyolli> 13:05?
11:13 < tsa> z.B.
11:13 < tsa> y?
11:13 -!- simon-- is now known as simon
11:13 < holyolli> .oO(was war die eulersche konstante nochmal genau?)
11:14 < holyolli> .oO(das hat was mit mathe zu tun... *tsaanschau*)
11:14 < tsa> aehm....ich meinte nicht euler..
11:14 < tsa> eher \epsilon
11:14 < holyolli> tsa: weil ich noch lerne muss
11:14 < holyolli> axxo
11:14 < tsa> holyolli: ach....du also auch????
11:14 < tsa> ;)
11:14 < holyolli> :-P
11:16 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux
11:17 < th> hi
11:17 * -> esden hates to translate!!!!
11:18 < d3mian> hello th 
11:18 < tsa> hi th
11:18 * d3mian is agree with esden 
11:20 < esden> hi th
11:39 < ringo78> didn't  have parport in kernel :-(
11:40 < d3mian> :(
11:53 < esden> argh we are chatting to much !!!!
11:54 < holyolli> mmh?
11:54 < holyolli> y?
11:55 < esden> holyolli: I am creatinc irc summary
11:55 < esden> holyolli: that is a loooong read 
11:56 < holyolli> where?
11:56 < holyolli> ;-)
11:56 < d3mian> esden: "chatting" as informal conversations or "chatting" as general conversations?
12:00 < esden> d3mian: chatting as chatting in this channel ... and there is so much irrilivant and generally uninteresting stuff ...
12:00 < tsa> esden: you mean we're talking uninteresting stuff here, too? ;-)
12:13 < th> but that uninteresting stuff inspires us to discuss important stuff
12:14 * tsa feels very inspired, then.. ;)
12:14 < d3mian> i think there are a lot of-off topic conversations too, even i consider it is not so bad, cauz if u want talk about interesting stuff, ull do, if not u can talk about sth and hope that other ppl listen if they want. I think is not strict a on-topic conversation while nobody has sth really interesting to comment
12:16 < esden> I did not mean that it is wrong to talk about god and the world ... but that it is hard to make a summary ...
12:16 < esden> so : talk people talk !!! ;-)
12:17 < d3mian> poor esden 
12:17 < tsa> esden: bible v2.0
12:17 < tsa> ;)
12:17 < d3mian> :)
12:17 < esden> tsa: lool
12:17 < d3mian> LOL
12:18 < d3mian> these are stuff make funny the channel :p
12:18 -!- praenti|sleep is now known as praenti
12:18 < praenti> moin
12:19 < d3mian> hello praenti 
12:19 < holyolli> moin praenti
12:20 < praenti> esden: uni?
12:20 < esden> praenti: ja :-(((
12:20 * praenti not in the fh.
12:20 < praenti> esden: what subjects today?
12:21 < esden> argh one day needs 100 lines to summarize !!!!
12:21 * -> esden die
12:22 < esden> is somebody willing to help me with summarizing the chanel logs ?
12:24 < d3mian> esden: i would like
12:24 < d3mian> esden: if i can
12:25 < esden> d3mian: ok continue with day 2002-04-16 and send the summary to me 
12:25 < esden> d3mian: thanks
12:25 * -> esden going to the zentraluebung
12:25 < d3mian> esden: u need to explain me some stuff first
12:25 < esden> cu all
12:26 < d3mian> ???
12:27 < praenti> cu esden 
12:29 < esden> the first raw version of a summary is here: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/rollingrock/rollingrock.1
12:29 < esden> but now
12:29 < esden> cu all
12:30 < d3mian> bye all, i have to leave now too
12:30 < d3mian> enjoy this day!
12:31 < huebi> cu d3mian 
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12:40 < tsa> hm..
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12:57 < tsa> soo...ich wechsel mal eben den arbeitsplatz....bbl.
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13:37 * praenti has found a mainboard from an omnibook 4150
13:38 < praenti> perhaps i can can repair mine ;-))
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14:11 < huebi> praenti: Do you also have a broken display for such an HP OmniBook 4150
14:11 < huebi> praenti: I need th electronics from inside the display
14:11 < huebi> +e
14:12 < praenti> huebi: no. my display is ok. my mainboard has an exploded trasistor
14:13 < praenti> s/trasistor/transistor
14:16 < holyolli> huebi: btw. ich hab nen bisschen alzheimer...was war nochmal der laden mit den lc-displays?
14:18 < praenti> huebi: hast du zufälligerweise das mainboard bei dem 4150 komplett ausgebaut?
14:27 < holyolli> <-- erstma nach hause
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14:37 < huebi> praenti: Ich glaube. da fehlt nicht viel um es komplett auszubauen.
14:38 < praenti> huebi: kennst dich du mit samba aus?
14:38 < huebi> praenti: geht so.
14:38 < praenti> huebi: wie heißt das tool wo du über webfrontend einrichten kannst
14:38 < huebi> swat
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14:41 < tsa> re
14:41 < huebi> SMP: Schnitz du noch an der Hardware von world ? ;-)
14:41 < huebi> hi tsa 
14:41 < tsa> hi huebi
14:42 < SMP> huebi: FUCK
14:42 < SMP> jetzt laeuft die alte Platte im alten Rechner wieder nicht
14:42 < tsa> hm....schonmal irgendwer versucht, cisco-acls in iptables zu konvertieren?
14:43 < praenti> huebi: ich brauch nämlich die bezeichnung von dem transistor auf Q36
14:43 < tsa> hab' nen skript gefunden, was das tun soll, aber das baut nur muell zusammen.
14:43 < praenti> auf meine mainboard
14:46 < huebi> praenti: sprich mich heute abend, wenn ich zuhause bin. ;-)
14:54 < th> re
14:55 < th> SMP: huebi: wie issen der world status?
14:56 < SMP> th: zerlegt und bootet nicht
14:58 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux
14:58 < bluefire> moin
14:58 < th> SMP: mist
15:07 < th> SMP: machst du da dann auch ne rock neuinstallation?
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15:09 < term_emu> hio
15:10 < huebi> hi term_emu 
15:11 < huebi> hi th
15:11 < th> der SMP steckt bestimmt gerade im 19 zoll schrank und bastelt
15:13 < huebi> th: SMP wird gerade von mieser Hardware nach Murphy weichgekocht. :( Wenn's schiefgehen kann, und nicht darf, dann geht's voll in die Hose.
15:17 < tsa> hehe
15:18 < tsa> ist SMP ueberhaupt rack-mountable? *wunder*
15:19 < huebi> Das sind dann die durchgemachten Naechte ala "Mist schon 5h und um 7h kommen die ersten Leute zum arbeiten. Und das RAID vom Mailserver zerlegt sich schon wieder..."
15:21 < huebi> tsa: Das heisst also "Service included" ;>
15:21 < tsa> huebi: jupp..
15:22 < tsa> mount -t SMP -o rack /admin
15:22 < tsa> ;-)
15:24 < th> das bringt nur die usage
15:24 < th> da fehlt das device
15:25 < tsa> th: ich weiss....aber SMP ist im devfs irgendwie nicht vorgesehen.. komisch
15:25 < huebi> und deshalb heisst die E3500 auch Minibar
15:26 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/E3500/component.front.html <- hehe
15:27 < tsa> nett.
15:27 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/E3500/breakdown.html <- Part # 6 <= Flaschenhalter
15:27 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/E3500/breakdown.html <- Part # 14/15 <= Eiswuerfelbehaelter
15:28 < huebi> oder habe ich da Power/Cooling Modules falsch uebersetzt *hmmm*
15:35 < rxr> bin an der FH ... -cu
15:38 < tsa> huebi: https://home.planet.nl/~mourits/koelkast/
15:39 < tsa> *gaehn*
15:41 < tsa> hm...ich geh' mal kaffee suchen..
15:41 < huebi> tsa: in bolivien?
15:41 < huebi> ;>
15:42 < huebi> tsa: https://home.planet.nl/~mourits/koelkast/ <- <AOL> Auch haben will </AOL>
15:42 < huebi> Nette Idee und gut gemacht ;)
15:56 < tsa> jupp.
15:57 < tsa> ich sags ja....chassis von ner v880 als kleiderschrank...
15:57 < tsa> ob ripclaw sowas guenstig besorgen kann?
15:57 < tsa> ;-)
15:57 < huebi> tsa: Ich glaube nicht.
15:58 < huebi> Aber eine Origin 3000 als grosser Kuelschrank
15:58 < tsa> naja, wer ne v880 hat, wird die wohl kaum nackt rumstehen lassen wollen..
15:58 < tsa> auch schoen..
15:58 < tsa> wir brauchen _dringend_ sponsoren ;)
15:59 < huebi> das lila sieht gut aus und die Plastikteile sind transparent..
15:59 < huebi> da laesst sich viel mit Licht machen.
15:59 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss....ich glaube, im nixdorf-museum in paderborn steht noch eine rum...aber die werden die wohl auch nicht hergeben wollen..
16:00 < tsa> pc-towergehaeuse sind ja sooo langweilig..
16:00 < huebi> Wo gibt's sonst alte Supercomputer?
16:00 < tsa> keine ahnung..
16:00 < tsa> irgendne bank in den ruin treiben und dann die hardware uebernehmen? ;)
16:01 < huebi> Beim Linuxtag mal fragen..
16:01 < tsa> jupp.
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16:19 < tsa> re clifford_away
16:20 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux
16:20 < armijn> re
16:20 * clifford_away released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205061554.
16:21 < armijn> you keep on releasing...
16:21 < tsa> hehe
16:22 < clifford_away> don't chat with me - I'm /away ... (working on another console :-)
16:22 < tsa> i've fixed all my packages that were marked as broken in your last reference build.
16:22 < armijn> I'm not talking to clifford_away, he's away
16:22 < tsa> (it was only one package that needed to be fixed)
16:23 < tsa> armijn: i guess he'll come back soon.. ;)
16:23 < armijn> probably
16:23 < armijn> maybe if we start about why 1.7 sucks bigtime
16:24 < armijn> or about the idea we had, about making "Clifford inside" stickers
16:24 < armijn> "Clifford powered"
16:25 < armijn> "It works with Clifford!"
16:26 < tsa> hehe
16:26 < tsa> cool idea.
16:26 < armijn> for next CCC maybe?
16:27 < tsa> armijn: Clifford might want to kill us.. ;-(
16:27 < armijn> nah
16:27 < armijn> he'd love it
16:28 < huebi> hi armijn 
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16:29 < armijn> hi huebi
16:29 < praenti> hi armijn 
16:30 < armijn> hi praeti
16:30 < armijn> ehr, praenti
16:30 < tsa> hehe
16:31 < armijn> I know I've pasted this link here many times before, but here I go again
16:31 < armijn> https://www.linuxmag.nl/Tux2MS/
16:32 < huebi> armijn: All your patches work on Intel except egcs64
16:32 < armijn> huebi: ok, I expected that
16:32 < armijn> we have to make a seperate patch set anyway
16:33 < armijn> I think...
16:33 < armijn> or I have to add an option in egcs64 that it bails out if the architecture is not sparc64
16:33 < huebi> armijn: The last is ther solution
16:33 < armijn> ok
16:33 < armijn> that's just a very minor patch :)
16:34 < tsa> armijn: *lol*
16:34 < tsa> nice link.
16:34 < huebi> rene saaid something about how that could work. But I forgot.
16:35 < praenti> armijn: good story ;-)
16:35 < armijn> huebi: look at ./base-config/lilo/lilo.conf
16:42 < huebi> armijn: Ok. i'll have a look at ./base-config/lilo/lilo.conf
16:42 < huebi> armijn: I like this link ;-)))
16:42 < armijn> huebi: send it to all your colleagues :)
16:43 < huebi> armijn: Done.
16:43 < armijn> :)
17:06 < armijn> 1.6 on Linux Tag?
17:08 < huebi> armijn: I don't think so. But it is possible and would be very nice if it is ready then.
17:10 < huebi> It's not soo much to do but it needs a plan to get it done till Linuxtag
17:18 < tsa> ls -la
17:18 < tsa> ww
17:18 < tsa> scheisse....falsches fenster erwischt.
17:19 < tsa> huebi: hm......wieviele packages sind denn noch broken?
17:20 < huebi> tsa: look at armijn's last mail. The bibest part is IMHO a bootable CDROM
17:20 < tsa> hm... i see
17:22 < armijn> for ultrasparc that is
17:26 < huebi> armijn: and for sparc32 ?
17:26 < armijn> heheheh
17:26 < armijn> forget about sparc32 for now
17:26 < huebi> ok
17:27 < armijn> there should be a big fat warning on 1.6.0: NO SPARC!
17:27 < armijn> well, no sparc32 that is
17:27 < armijn> we will probably have to go back to a 2.2 kernel for sparc32
17:28 < huebi> armijn: why that?
17:28 < armijn> huebi: because sparc is unmaintained in 2.4
17:28 < armijn> there's no maintainer
17:28 < huebi> hmm. Bad thing
17:28 < armijn> yeah
17:29 < armijn> if a 2.4 kernel compiles on sparc32, it is pure luck
17:29 * armijn afk
17:58 < tsa> ..und wech.
17:58 < tsa> bis spaeter.
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18:31 < rxr> armijn: but I saw at least ocational fixes in the changelog or patches for sparc32 ...
18:33 -!- blindy|\ is now known as blindcoder
18:33 < blindcoder> g'afternoon everyone
18:34 < huebi> hi rxr , hi blindcoder 
18:36 < praenti> hi blindcoder 
18:37 < praenti> huebi: at home?
18:39 * praenti must do a reconnect
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18:42 * praenti is back
18:53 < huebi> praenti: I'm still not at home. I'm testing phpgroupware.
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19:39 < tsa> re
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19:43 < tsa> hi armijn
19:48 < armijn> hate netsplits
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19:51 < holyolli> re
19:52 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p508077A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:52 < hackbard> hi
19:52 < holyolli> hi hackbard
19:53 < tsa> hi holyolli
19:53 < tsa> hi hackbard
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20:10 < rxr> hat einer ne idee was mit ner alten pci s3 karte sein kann, wenn die von einem tag uf den anderen nicht mehr tut ?
20:10 < holyolli> rxr: sie ist kaputt? *duck* ;-)
20:11 < holyolli> rxr: vieleicht irgendwelche kontakte lose?
20:11 < rxr> jups BIOS piept hallt beim einschalten wild rum
20:11 < holyolli> wie piepst es denn?
20:11 < rxr> mit ner ISA garfik karte oder ganz ohne leuft der rechner ...
20:15 < rxr> 1x lang 3x kurz - ist nen Acer modifizierts BIOS ...
20:18 < rxr> kotz wuerg scheiss kiste
20:20 < huebi> praenti: re in 10 minutes
20:20 < huebi> rxr: S3? kaputt!
20:21 < rxr> ist vielleicht doch CPU oder mainboard ...
20:22 < holyolli> huebi: denk bitte an den rechtschreibfehler... ;-)))
20:23 < rxr> hat einer ne ahnung ob acer phoenix oder award bioses hat ?
20:23 < rxr> ami would be Memory test failure
20:24 < rxr> ast would be Video memory test failure
20:24 < rxr> award would be No video card or bad video RAM
20:24 < rxr> phoenix seems to code the beeps in another way ...
20:26 < ringo78> join #lprng
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20:30 < rxr> hm with the ISA card it boots ...
20:30 < rxr> seems that the S3 Trio64 stopped working from one day to the other ... ??
20:38 < esden> re hi all
20:38 < holyolli> hi esden
20:38 * -> esden bates German railway >_<
20:38 < holyolli> mh?
20:39 < esden> DB <- kill them all
20:39 < holyolli> db...means "deutsche bahn"...but also "deutsche bank"... ;-)
20:39 < rxr> nicht das du der naechte bist der mit ner pump-gun durch die gegend laefst ...
20:39 < esden> they are stupid unreliable, uninformed and ... argh
20:40 < esden> holyolli: I mean "deutsche bahn" ...
20:40 < holyolli> hehe
20:41 < esden> let me see if clifford uploaded a new snap ...
20:41 * -> esden summarized 2,5 days ... anyone who wants to help is welcome ;-)
20:42 < esden> ahh good new snap is here\=
20:42 < blindcoder> hi esden
20:42 < esden> hi blindcoder 
20:43 < blindcoder> esden> You remember Josef Schugt?
20:43 < esden> blindcoder: the ... who ?
20:44 < blindcoder> the one who created the Rei Ayanami and Asuka Themes for IceWM and some other
20:44 < praenti> huebi: schon da?
20:45 < praenti> rxr: 1 long 3 short means no graphic. i think your card is broken...
20:46 < esden> blindcoder: should I know him ?
20:46 < blindcoder> only from me telling you about him ;)
20:46 < blindcoder> he sent some (2 pages) of suggestions for impovement of IceWM-GITS
20:47 < esden> blindcoder: so I do not know him ...
20:47 < esden> blindcoder: woot ... cool
20:47 < blindcoder> no, you don't
20:47 < blindcoder> but  know him from some mailcontact
20:48 < blindcoder> when I applied his suggestions then I could jump from 0.1 to 0.5
20:48 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... version number junkie ;-)
20:48 < blindcoder> And he told me he creates his Icons the same way I do... This XPM was creating with VIM
20:49 < blindcoder> s/creating/created/
20:49 < blindcoder> esden: patch-level-coward
20:49 < esden> blindcoder: *fg*
20:49 < tsa> hehe
20:51 < esden> wow cool orange juice theme!!!
20:51 < esden> coooollll!!!!
20:51 < tsa> screenshot?
20:51 < holyolli> moin tsa
20:51 < esden> https://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/27805/
20:52 < esden> https://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/27804/
20:52 < holyolli> <-- had a "coffee-in-keyboard-theme" some weeks ago... ;-))
20:52 < esden> holyolli: screenshot ?
20:53 < holyolli> esden: nope - already cleaned ;-)
20:54 * blindcoder is now going to apply his new-tires.patch to his inline-skates ;)
20:54 < holyolli> *lol*
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20:57 < snyke> hi all
20:57 < holyolli> hi snyke
20:57 < tsa> hi snyke
20:58 < tsa> blindcoder: have fun....and don't forget ./configure --don't-let-me-fall-please ;)
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21:04 < clifford_away> https://www.rocklinux.org/pics/screenshot_cluster.jpg
21:04 * clifford_away released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205062045.
21:05 * SMP jumps around
21:06 * SMP found out: the cappy harddisc _only_ works it the crappy cdrom is on the same bus
21:07 < SMP> Tag gerettet - und n8!
21:07 < tsa> hehe.
21:07 < tsa> n8 SMP
21:12 < huebi> n8 SMP 
21:14 * -> esden satt und sitt
21:15 < hackbard> later ..
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21:17 * -> esden wants inline-skates !!!
21:17 * -> esden wants money !!!
21:17 * praenti needs money
21:17 * huebi waits for money
21:17 < tsa> gnaaaa! der uni-mailserver suckt. aber gewaltig.
21:17 < tsa> *grummel*
21:18 < praenti> huebi: und kannst dein omnibook soweit auseinanderbauen?
21:18 < tsa> von smtp nach pop3 sollte innerhalb von 20min eigentlich moeglich sein.
21:18 < tsa> scheisskiste
21:18 < esden> praenti: jetzt huer endlich auf an deinem lappy rumzufummeln ... dann geht noch weniger als davor ...
21:19 < huebi> praenti: wo ist der transistor?
21:20 < praenti> huebi: rückseite. da musst du erst die metallblende unten wegnehmen. ist ziemlich gefummel
21:20 < huebi> unter welcher taste? von oben so ca?
21:20 < praenti> huebi: da muss man hinten die schrauben an den anschlüssen wegmachen und die pcmcia-slots lose schrauben
21:21 < esden> praenti: messe doch mal die koordinaten des transistors aus ...
21:21 < praenti> huebi: da wo der lüfter steckt. ist bezeichnung Q36 dran
21:21 < praenti> huebi: neben den ram-haltern
21:23 < huebi> praenti: ich habe einen PII 300/66MHz. Was hast DU?
21:24 < esden> who is making the rocklinux news ?
21:24 < praenti> huebi: war ein PIII 500. shitt dann könnte das bei dir ein anderes board sein
21:24 < esden> praenti: 100% ein anderes ...
21:27 < praenti> huebi: dann lass mal. muss ich halt noch ne woche warten bis ich das defekte aus der ebay auktion geschickt bekomme
21:27 < rxr> esden: cliff and joselyn?
21:28 < huebi> praenti: das _ist_ ein anderes. Weis ich von HighPreis
21:28 < esden> rxr: ahh ok ...
21:28 < rxr> oh she is spelled Jocelyn ... ;-)
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21:32 * blindcoder is back
21:37 < snyke> has anybody in here some skill in debugging tcl-code?
21:42 < snyke> wow
21:43 < esden> rrr Asuka theme ... laechts
21:44 < praenti> esden: wo?
21:44 < esden> https://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/asuka_/?topic_id=925%2C933
21:45 < blindcoder> esden: that one is from Josef Schugt
21:47 < esden> blindcoder: ja ich weiss
21:47 < esden> ahh *panik* ... auf dem Lady marmalade ist auch bchat druf ...
21:48 < blindcoder> hehe
21:49 < esden> radio sunshine ist cool
21:49 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD955CFB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:50 < esden> geiler techno sound 
21:50 < esden> praenti: 107.35 FM
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21:50 < holyolli> re
21:50 < tsa> re holyolli
21:50 < esden> re holyolli 
21:51 < blindcoder> ich hau mich etz ins bett
21:51 < blindcoder> gute nacht!
21:51 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|sleeping
21:51 < esden> n8 blindy|sleeping 
21:52 < esden> rrr Rinoa !!!
21:52 < snyke> esden?
21:52 < snyke> du magst sunshine live???
21:52 < esden> https://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/rinoa/
21:52 < esden> snyke: sicher !!! warum nicht ?
21:53 < esden> der sound ist guut
21:53 < snyke> wusst ich nich das du solche musik magst
21:53 < snyke> weil das is der sound der ich normalerweise streama
21:53 < snyke> stundenlange DJ Sets
21:53 < snyke> house
21:53 < snyke> schranz
21:53 < snyke> usw.
21:53 < holyolli> "schranz"?
21:53 < snyke> jop
21:53 < snyke> :)
21:54 < holyolli> wtf is schranz?
21:54 < esden> snyke: rrrrr mache mich nicht so an sonnst uebrerfolle ich dich noch ;-)
21:54 < esden> holyolli: guter techno sound ;-)
21:54 < snyke> :PPP
21:54 < holyolli> esden: cool
21:54 < snyke> ich stream mal
21:54 < snyke> enomine ja- jetzt jedoch nich
21:54 < snyke> esden ok magst du mal reinhoern?
21:55 < esden> snyke: sicha
21:55 < snyke> https://snt.altmuehlnet.de:8000/
21:55 < snyke> (sollte gehn)
21:55 < huebi> snyke: wie geht denn das unter linux?
21:56 < snyke> windows :P
21:56 < snyke> naja der streamingserver is freebsd
21:56 < holyolli> klappt doch ;)
21:56 < snyke> mit icecast
21:56 < holyolli> <-- listens to snyke's lustige mucke ;)
21:56 < snyke> und speisen tu ich den mit winamp
21:56 < esden> holyolli: nimm xmms und add/url
21:56 < esden> argh ich meine huebi 
21:56 < esden> mensch ...
21:56 < snyke> *g*
21:56 < holyolli> esden: /* no comment */
21:57 < esden> snyke: guut ... ich mag dass ... ;-)
21:57 < praenti> snyke: wo hast das her?
21:57 < esden> ich bin jetzt nicht mehr auf so hartes zeug drauf ... aber dass ist nicht schlecht ;-)
21:57 < praenti> esden: nektarim macht soft ;-)
21:58 < snyke> aeh
21:58 < snyke> gesammelt 
21:58 < esden> praenti: ich meine allgemein schranz
21:58 < praenti> snyke: wieviel hast du?
21:58 < snyke> und teilweise von weit her per post und cd bekommen :)
21:58 < esden> mennoo
21:58 < snyke> praenti: sekunde ich mach grad playlist
21:58 < esden> praenti: du weisst dass ich mich nicht so gut auskenne wie du
21:58 < snyke> esden: ich hab noch brutaleres da :P
21:58 < snyke> das hardcore set von DJ Neophyte
21:58 < praenti> snyke: leg mal rein
21:59 < snyke> aber zu der musik kamma ned arbeiten
21:59 < snyke> soll ich?
21:59 < esden> snyke: is gut ... kannst nonstop streamen kein prob ;-)
21:59 < snyke> naja gut
21:59 < snyke> aber nur kurz
21:59 < snyke> ;)
21:59 < snyke> esden: darf ich kurz das Hardcore set anspieln?
21:59 < esden> snyke: jojo
22:00 < snyke> ok
22:00 < snyke> playing
22:00 < praenti> snyke: das ist aber nicht mehr schranz
22:00 < esden> hehe ... dass hart ?
22:00 < snyke> esden: kann nich mit hoeherer bitrate, das macht mein dsl nich mit bei mehreren zuhoerern
22:01 < snyke> praenti: i know, ich sagte hardcore
22:01 < snyke> ja esdi, denk ich ma :)
22:01 < praenti> extreme hardcore
22:01 < esden> snyke: musst multicasten ;-)
22:01 < esden> dass ist geil
22:01 < esden> *wipp*
22:02 * -> esden muss im bitz icecast aufsaetzen ;-)
22:02 < praenti> snyke: ich weiß bloß mein bruder hat ca. 30 cds mit mp3's voll. ca 50 % is schranz
22:02 < snyke> https://sharknt.ath.cx/pl <- playlist
22:02 < holyolli> ist lustige musik, man könnte aber auch denken, dass der dsp grade abgestürzt ist und amok läuft.. ;)
22:02 < snyke> esden: wenn du machst, dann stream ich ueber den, hoehere bitrate
22:02 < snyke> LOL
22:02 < praenti> holyolli: lol
22:03 < esden> meine mutter hat die anlagu runturgudruht ppp
22:03 < praenti> loool
22:03 < holyolli> *lol*
22:03 * -> esden holt kopfhuerer
22:03 < snyke> lol
22:03 < holyolli> <-- hat kopfhörer, weil meine eltern eben auch schon nen komisch gesicht verzogen hatten
22:04 < snyke> esden: soll ich wieder das vorige set reintun?
22:04 < praenti> snyke: ja
22:04 < snyke> ok
22:05 < snyke> ok
22:05 < snyke> hab etwa dahin wo wir aufgehört haben
22:05 < snyke> oe
22:05 -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian
22:05 < d3mian> hi
22:05 * -> esden kommt gleich wieder
22:05 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9E78FF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:05 < martin_> moin
22:06 < d3mian> hello martin_ 
22:06 < praenti> snyke: schau mal auf den ftp von alextesla.dyndns.org. da ist zwar meine dsl-leitung wieder dicht, aber da ist wahrscheinlich einiges interessantes zeugs inzwischen wieder drauf
22:06 < snyke> juhu
22:07 < d3mian> im in classes now , cu in some minutes ;)
22:07 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|class
22:07 < snyke> ich bin ma kurz weg *brb*
22:16 < snyke> re
22:17 < snyke> praenti: welcher username/passwort?
22:17 < praenti> snyke: mom
22:18 < snyke> hm
22:18 < snyke> icecast hat nen kleinen bug *seh*
22:18 < snyke> glaub ich
22:19 < snyke> hmm
22:22 < snyke> hmm, ich bemerke _leichten_ lag... ssh nach aussen unmoeglich :P
22:23 < praenti> snyke: qos eingerichtet
22:23 < snyke> hm?
22:24 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford
22:24 < snyke> nee, bin doch zu l4m3 dafuer
22:24 < tsa> re clifford
22:24 < clifford> hi.
22:27 < rxr> hi
22:27 < praenti> snyke: https://www.prout.be/qos/QoS-connection-tuning-HOWTO.html
22:27 < praenti> funzt astrein
22:29 < rxr> dRock 1.6.0-rc3 online
22:29 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/1.6.0-rc3/
22:33 < clifford> rxr: how is (1) the patch for linux and linux-src and (2) the Create-CD script is doing?
22:36 < holyolli> does anybody know, what "UT" means?
22:37 < rxr> Unreal Turnament ;-)? 
22:37 < clifford> whoever is interested: https://www.rocklinux.net/webstat/reports/2002-04/
22:37 < holyolli> bingo..! wanna play?
22:37 < holyolli> ;-)
22:38 < rxr> clifford: yes I know it should be allready in your inbox - but I was just too busy. I just port the modification on the linux package and all the other updates from dRock ...
22:38 < rxr> s/just/just start/
22:38 < rxr> rc3 mail out
22:40 < praenti> clifford: but the country statistics says nothing. i think more than 50% are t-dailin.net and so t-dsl user...
22:41 < rxr> rsync of the ISO is running ;-)
22:41 < clifford> praenti: better than no stats at all ..
22:42 < praenti> clifford: jepp
22:42 < clifford> (btw - I'm only logging the client ips and had to write an extra script to resolve the reverse lookups now ..)
22:43 < tsa> .oO( logresolve?)
22:44 < clifford> tsa: yes. a hack - but it works.
22:44 < snyke> hm... poor shellserver
22:44 < snyke> usage: 8.70
22:44 < tsa> hehe
22:44 < clifford> rxr: is there a time-line when I can expect those two patches?
22:45 < rxr> the kernel one tonight
22:45 < rxr> the Create-CD this week ?
22:46 < clifford> rxr: the kernel one is more importand anyways ..  :-)
22:46 < clifford> Create-CD doesn't help very much without the install-disks target.
22:46 < clifford> And we can't start working on the install-disks target as long as the dietlibc target is not finished.  :-)
22:46 < rxr> but the patch does not yet include a clean way for the different targets to modify the kernel build
22:47 < rxr> what do we need and how should this be done?
22:47 < clifford> rxr: I dind't expect that anyways (imo that feature needs some discussion anyways)
22:47 < rxr> is providing values for the .conf a custom .patch files enough?
22:48 * clifford 's favorite word today seams to be 'anyways' ..  :-)
22:48 < rxr> ;-)
22:48 * praenti favourite mostly "ultra"
22:48 * rxr syncing the 1.7-clifford tree
22:48 < praenti> or "subotimal"
22:49 < praenti> ;-)
22:49 < clifford> rxr: just leafe the customisation out for now (unless you implemented that part of it already)
22:49 < rxr> praenti: yes suboptimal is a really cool word ;-)
22:49 < rxr> clifford: ok i do a straight forward port of the dRock modification only ...
22:50 < praenti> it sounds so postitive even it is totally negativ
22:50 < praenti> i think i should go to bed. my language gets suboptimal
22:50 < praenti> gn8
22:50 < snyke> n8
22:50 < clifford> n8
22:51 -!- praenti is now known as praenti|sleep
22:55 < rxr> does a pcmcia style adapter for the notenooks IDE-CD connector? I wanna thow my laptopp CD-ROM into the garbage but do not wanna waste a PCMCIA port with a SCSI adapter for an external CD-ROM ...
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22:58 < esden> re hi all
22:59 < esden> rxr: I am working like a crazy on the dietlibc target ...
23:00 < esden> rxr: I can't do faster ... I am still learning ... :-(
23:00 < esden> sorry\
23:03 < rxr> esden: noone said that it is not fast enough ... - Clifford only wants to get my patches ...
23:03 < esden> rxr: aha ... ok 
23:04 < esden> rxr: but I am doing my best to finish the target as fast as I can ... I promise
23:06 < clifford> esden: does dietlibc work in stages > 1 on your side?
23:07 < clifford> I have problems with 'patch' and some other applications ..
23:07 < esden> I was not beyond 1 till now ... I want to test the dynamic linking first
23:10 < esden> clifford: what have you done to create the dynamic dietlibs  ?
23:10 < clifford> esden: added 'make dyn'
23:10 < esden> clifford: aha ok thanks
23:11 < clifford> the dynamic dietlibc is always build. The only differenc when you 'enable' it is that the applications are going to be built using the 'diet-dyn' wrapper instead of the 'diet' wrapper.
23:12 < esden> clifford: I have seen that in the diff ...
23:13 < esden> clifford: which flist creator do u use for diet ? the find ?
23:14 < tsa> damn...seems like i've lost some mails today..
23:14 < clifford> esden: currently LD_PRELOAD. I think that should be ignored by the dietlibc ld.so (not checked). In the long-run we should port strace to stage 1 and use the strace flist wrapper ..
23:15 < rxr> clifford: is the kernel_module flist generator still on the todo - ro do will we never need it?
23:15 < rxr> urgh
23:16 < rxr> 1045 file modifications in your tree cliff!
23:16 < clifford> rxr: we _should_ never need it. However - it's still a (low priority) todo item.
23:16 < clifford> rxr: 1045 modifications since when?
23:16 < rxr> my last sync ...
23:16 < rxr> a week or so ...
23:17 < esden> clifford: ok ... thanks for info
23:17 < rxr> ok after mergin *sourceforge* and *.cache it are only 124 ...
23:17 < clifford> rxr: that's possible. I've added new *.cache files and run the Create-DescPatch script over all packages.
23:18 < rxr> ?? a new presentation ? *wunder*
23:18 < clifford> rxr: maybe some of my *.desc changes (only moving lines) do not apply.
23:18 < clifford> rxr: no - removed the old documentation ..  :-)
23:18 < rxr>  :-(((((((((((((
23:18 < clifford> s/d
23:18 < rxr> why?
23:19 < clifford> s/documentation/presentation/ ...   :-)
23:19 < clifford> it's compleatly outdated and doesn't make any sense in it current form.
23:20 < rxr> -       # tar xIf $archdir/X420src-3.tbz2
23:20 < rxr> +       tar xIf $archdir/X420src-3.tbz2
23:20 < rxr> ??
23:20 < clifford> I will write a new one after updating all the other documentation files.
23:20 < rxr> aren't only pregenerated documentation files in this one ?
23:21 < esden> clifford: I have 2,5 irc days summary on my laptop :-)
23:21 < clifford> Patch from andreas huebner (only builds more doc afais).
23:21 < esden> clifford: it is a really long read 
23:22 < clifford> esden: yes - i know. I've though you wanted to write it "on the fly" ?
23:23 < esden> clifford: that is not possible ... I am not reliable enough .. perhups I will change it in the future ... but the irc summery job is a full time job ... but I will try my best
23:23 < rxr> realsa.ext unalsa.ext??
23:23 < clifford> rxr: removed files.
23:24 < rxr> ahh ok ;-)
23:24 < clifford> rxr: that where the ext files for the sf packages we have removed... (what an ugly hack)
23:25 < rxr> Yes - because of this I wonder why they show up in my Sync.sh utility ;-)
23:26 < clifford> I have to go to bed now (my grilfriend looks already pretty angry ...)
23:26 < rxr> clifford: much fun ;)
23:26 < tsa> .oO( have fun )
23:26 < rxr> cu
23:26 < tsa> cu clifford
23:27 < tsa> .oO( touch; touch; grep; unzip; .. )
23:27 < clifford> rxr: haha.  :-)
23:28 < clifford> cu.
23:28 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
23:28 < rxr> urgh
23:28 < rxr> kicker crashed again :-(
23:32 < rxr> has someone build 1.7 lately? Does it build mostly?
23:35 < holyolli> is anybody of this sparc people here?
23:37 < rxr> holyolli: you have a prob?
23:38 < holyolli> i just want to know, how booting from cd works with sparc. is there also something similar like lilo?
23:38 < rxr> normally silo is used
23:38 * holyolli has the problem that i don't use diskimages for booting alpha
23:38 < holyolli> rxr: that means?
23:38 < esden> holyolli: go to ok prompt and type boot cdrom
23:38 < rxr> but I do not how if it can boot from cd ...
23:39 < holyolli> <-- is thinking how to make the cd-image for alpha and needs some help ;)
23:39 < holyolli> set LANG=de?
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23:39 < rxr> https://silo.sourceforge.net/
23:40 < Mike1> hey all
23:40 < holyolli> hi Mike1
23:40 < rxr> it seem to be able to boot from iso9660 ...
23:40 < rxr> Hi Mike1! Nice to meet you.
23:40 < Mike1> rxr *G same here
23:40 < esden> hi Mike1 
23:40 < holyolli> well, the problem is that alpha doesn't support diskimages on cdrom (like intel does)
23:41 < holyolli> therefore the question how to make it the best way
23:41 < esden> hmm dietlibc target is going mad after the stage 1
23:41 < holyolli> should the root-fs be just on the cd between all the other stuff?
23:42 < rxr> holyolli: why not? This would be really nice and solve all space problems! I already so somy cd-wrapping sym-linking tricks in dRock ...
23:42 < holyolli> rxr: well I was thinking about this "is this a clean solution"-stuff ;-)
23:43 < rxr> haee??
23:43 < holyolli> naja...ästhetik oder so ;-)
23:47 < rxr> linux-kernel: Has anyone implimented NUMA on any M68K based systems?
23:47 < rxr> hehehe ;-)
23:47 < holyolli> *g*
23:49 < esden> argh fefe ... come by so I can hurt you ...
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23:52 < d3mian> back
23:52 < rxr> holla
23:52 < holyolli> re d3mian
23:52 < d3mian> hola rene ;)
23:52 < rxr> only one l? sorry ;-(
23:52 < d3mian> hi *
23:52 < d3mian> ;)
23:53 < d3mian> tuanis Mike1 
23:56 * rxr pilze brutzeln cu later
23:57 < d3mian> cu rebe
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23:58 * huebi is installing rock-sparc64-1.5.12 on the U5
23:59 < huebi> ugly work.
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