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--- Log opened Fri May 10 00:00:24 2002 --- Day changed Fri May 10 2002 00:01 < rxr> kool - ark does now work properly ;-) 00:03 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@p50815F2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:04 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.2.161] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:06 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.4.137] has joined #rocklinux 00:06 < Mike1> hi clifford_away 00:08 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 < d3mian> hi ringo78 00:19 < ringo78> hi d3mian 00:26 < rxr> does s.o. know if there is a way to give "date" a unix-time it should build a string for ? 00:27 < martin_b> n8 rxr, n8 all 00:27 < d3mian> cu martin_b 00:27 < rxr> n8 martin_b 00:28 -!- martin_b [~martin@pD9E7AEE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 00:36 -!- l_9_l [~root@217.17.228.53] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c18 -- just do it.") 00:37 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@pD9023115.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate!") 01:22 < rxr> ahh! 01:23 < rxr> the -d option can take stuff like 'yesterday' my problem is solved ;-) 01:23 < rxr> (no I have not spend an hour finding this out ;-) 01:25 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048544.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:26 < cap> hi folks 01:26 < d3mian> hi cap 01:26 < cap> :> 01:27 < rxr> hi 01:27 -!- praenti|away is now known as praenti 01:27 < praenti> re 01:27 < cap> rock really rocks, didnt expect that 01:28 < d3mian> hi praenti 01:28 < rxr> tsa: could you try to build a mozilla and galeon with LD="$LD -z combreloc" 01:28 < praenti> rxr: do you know what i do wrong if the automatic poweroff doesnt work? 01:28 < rxr> would be nice to now if this works and give a speedup 01:28 < d3mian> i c, cap had luck with drock :) 01:29 < rxr> praenti: no apm or acpi in the kernel ? 01:29 < tsa> rxr: ok, i'll give it a try 01:29 < praenti> rxr: acpi complete compiled into the kernel. but disabled apm 01:29 < rxr> do you see the acpi message about enterin S0 ? 01:29 < rxr> cap: huh? 01:29 < praenti> rxr: where do i see that? 01:30 < praenti> rxr: i only know that my acpid works and call shutdown -h now 01:30 < rxr> one of the last lines the kernel whould output during shutdown -h 0 ... 01:30 < praenti> rxr: or can you give me a howto where i can read that 01:30 < rxr> praenti: normally this works out of the box - except if your bios acpi impl. is totally screwed up ... 01:31 < rxr> praenti: laptop of desktop machine ? 01:31 < praenti> rxr: desktop a7v 01:31 < rxr> what does cat /proc/acpi/info tell you ? 01:32 < praenti> ACPI-CA Version: 20011018 01:32 < praenti> Sx States Supported: S0 S1 S4 S5 01:32 < rxr> hm 01:32 < praenti> i thinks thats ok 01:32 < rxr> jups 01:32 < rxr> can u remount your fs readonly and execute echo 0 > /proc/acpi/sleep ? 01:32 < rxr> your box should turn off imidiately ... 01:33 < rxr> (done at your own risk) 01:33 < praenti> rxr: ok i try it. cu in a few minutes 01:34 < rxr> much luck 01:36 < praenti> rxr: machine still running 01:37 < praenti> rxr: windoze has no problem with that. kernel under ca. 2.4.8 did that also right 01:39 < rxr> praenti: acpi is working ok on my sis735 and sis630 based laptop - and also on a a7v (maybe +- a vesion) box I know of ... 01:39 < rxr> praenti: have you compiled all submodules of acpi into the kernel ? 01:39 < praenti> rxr: yes 01:39 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 01:39 < rxr> praenti: strange 01:40 < rxr> the echo 0 > blabla did nothing? Not even a printk ? 01:40 < praenti> rxr: no printk 01:40 < praenti> rxr: completely nothing. 01:41 < praenti> rxr: and i'm not the only one with that problem on a a7v 01:41 < rxr> you should compile a kernel with ACPI_DEBUG enabled 01:42 < praenti> rxr: ok. iw ill do that and post a request into the kernel-list if i dont see the problem 01:43 < rxr> praenti: you should directly post it to the acpi-devel list 01:44 < rxr> I just unsubscribed yesterday ... 01:44 < rxr> Is this a try to hack a ISS: 01:44 < rxr> /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir 01:44 < rxr> s/ISS/IIS/ 01:45 < tsa> nimda/codered.. 01:45 < rxr> i have pretty much of such stuff in my apache log ... 01:45 < rxr> tsa: wanting to spread, or what 01:45 < tsa> rxr: yes.. 01:45 < rxr> ah 01:47 < praenti> rxr: ok. compile is running and will be sent to acpi-devel if problems still here 01:48 < hackbard> one should write a script whcih does sth like: /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+md+you_have_nimda_virus to every host you got a log from :) 01:49 < rxr> the poor man's apache log analyzer: grep `date -d yesterday '+%d/%B/%Y'` /var/apache/logs/access_log | sed -e 's/.*GET //' -e 's/\([^ ]*\).*/\1/' | sort | uniq -c | sort 01:51 < tsa> hackbard: there are some attempts to use cmd.exe to shutdown the infected machine when it tries spreading.. 01:51 < tsa> but i don't know if they are successful.. 01:51 < hackbard> lets just test it :) 01:52 < rxr> the next peace to sell: a log filer for above: "| grep -v system32" 01:56 < rxr> hm this infected machines are private boxes: 01:56 < rxr> frnk-d514e137.dsl.mediaWays.net 01:56 < rxr> frnk-d514e137.dsl.mediaWays.net 01:56 < rxr> port-213-20-3-196.reverse.qdsl-home.de 01:57 < rxr> p50873444.dip.t-dialin.net 01:57 < rxr> ... 02:00 < praenti> rxr: 2.4.18 does the same. nothing. where can i see the debug messages? 02:06 < praenti> May 10 01:56:01 gutmann kernel: ACPI: Multiple power buttons detected, ignoring 02:06 < praenti> fixed-feature 02:06 < praenti> could that be the problem? 02:08 < hackbard> bye 02:08 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9E0ACD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:08 < rxr> in the dmesg and/or syslog 02:09 < rxr> this should not be the problem ... 02:12 < praenti> ok. i will see. tomorrow. I'm now going to bed. cya 02:12 -!- praenti is now known as praenti|sleep 02:30 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c18 © 1996-2000 Colten Edwards") 03:24 < tsa> n8 03:24 < tsa> bis morgen oder so. 03:24 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082A967.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:25 < rxr> cu 03:46 -!- l_9_l [~jarod@217.17.228.53] has joined #rocklinux 03:50 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: praenti|sleep 04:04 < d3mian> hi l_9_l 04:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti|sleep 04:36 < rxr> hi 04:37 * rxr still reading / testing prelink stuff 05:48 * rxr off 06:03 < d3mian> re rene 06:04 < d3mian> cap: still here? 06:04 < d3mian> hi rene 06:05 < cap> yoo hi d3mian, rene 06:05 * cap is enjoying rock linux 06:06 < cap> and forgetting about slack and debian 06:06 < d3mian> hehe 06:07 < d3mian> cap: is drock 1.6.0 right? 06:07 < cap> yep 06:07 < cap> works fine 06:07 < cap> some (truly quite a lot) typos, but its ok 06:08 < d3mian> yes 06:09 < d3mian> i saw @ hackdaworld :) 06:09 < cap> no one hanging around there ;) 06:10 < d3mian> well, i was @ at home ;) 06:10 < d3mian> s/at// 06:32 < d3mian> cu 06:32 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|away 06:32 -!- d3m|away [~jonvargas@208.165.55.137] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c18: just when you thought it couldn't get any better") 06:32 -!- d3mian [~jonvargas@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 06:55 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@pD9E63284.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:57 < cap> hi maus 06:58 < Lorini> :) 07:02 < d3mian> hi Lorini 07:02 < Lorini> hi d3mian 07:23 < d3mian> sure, dunt worry 07:23 < Lorini> ok, got to go now 07:24 < Lorini> (gonna die) 07:29 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|wrk 07:29 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriniABI 07:41 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:45 < huebi> moin 07:47 < huebi> ssh ella 07:47 < huebi> su - 07:47 < huebi> kill1more 07:48 < huebi> fuck! 07:48 < cap> morgen huebi 07:49 < huebi> moin cap 07:50 < huebi> hmm. Ich sollte mal hinsehen, welche Konsole ich nehme. Egal, das pPasswort war sowieso schon uralt. 07:50 < cap> lol 07:50 < huebi> :-) 07:52 < d3m|wrk> hallo huebi 07:56 -!- huebi_ [~huebi@pD952252B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:57 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.4.137] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:08 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.1.189] has joined #rocklinux 08:10 -!- huebi [~huebi@pD9E1CCCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:11 < cap> https://www2.rocklinux.org/press.html <- broken 08:15 < d3m|wrk> cap, can u check the rock linux guide link? 08:17 < cap> which one? 08:21 < d3m|wrk> mom 08:27 < huebi_> morning d3m|wrk 08:55 -!- isaac [~iramirez@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 08:57 < d3m|wrk> hallo isaac 08:57 -!- isaac [~iramirez@208.165.55.137] has quit (Client Quit) 09:03 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048544.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 09:30 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048544.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:30 < d3m|wrk> wb cap 09:31 < cap> yo hi d3m|wrk 09:35 < cap> why the ./scripts/Download -ext alias doesnt work ? 09:37 < cap> d3mian which rock version do you run? 09:49 < d3m|wrk> im running drock 1.4.2 09:49 -!- d3m|wrk is now known as d3mian 09:50 < huebi_> re 09:50 < huebi_> hi d3mian 09:50 < d3mian> cap: try to read docs in /src/src/rock-intel/Documentation/ 09:50 < d3mian> hi huebi_ 09:50 < d3mian> or ask huebi_ :) 09:50 -!- huebi_ is now known as huebi 09:51 < huebi> cap: which source tree do you use? 09:51 < d3mian> drock 1.6.0 09:51 < huebi> ah ok! 09:51 < huebi> rene should know that. 09:52 < d3mian> cap: the best way is read doc there or wait for rebe 09:53 < huebi> Coffee not found! Orerator halted! brb... 09:54 < d3mian> :) 09:54 < cap> huebi: i got rene's 1.6 rc3.. will ask rene 09:55 < cap> the docs say there must be a ./scripts/Download -ext alias 09:55 < cap> none implemented.. 09:57 < d3mian> wait for rebe 09:59 < huebi> re 10:00 < d3mian> how is the Coffe hubner? 10:02 < blindcoder> g'morning everyone 10:02 < d3mian> cap: LoriniABI told me about ur birthday, hehe, it is strange ;) 10:02 < d3mian> morning blindcoder 10:03 < cap> d3mian: yep.. what is more strange is that we first met on our birthday, too ;) 10:03 < d3mian> jajajaja 10:03 < d3mian> ohh, that's really interesting 10:04 * huebi is on the phone 10:12 -!- anders_ [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:12 < anders_> morning chaps 10:13 < blindcoder> hi anders_ 10:14 < d3mian> gut murning anders_ 10:14 < anders_> re blindcoder d3mian 10:14 < huebi> hi anders_ 10:14 < anders_> re huebi 10:15 * anders_ updated GnuPG to 1.0.7 yesterday.. 10:15 < anders_> and fetched a whole *bunch* of keys from the keyservers.. 10:15 < anders_> a pub-keyring of 16MB now.. 10:16 < anders_> now going through and setting trust on various keys... 10:16 < anders_> and a P-III 750 is slooow for this type of stuff.. 10:21 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048544.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 10:30 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048544.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:30 < cap> re 10:38 < huebi> re 10:51 < d3mian> huebi: how can i use the /var/db to restore stuuff in the system? 10:53 < huebi> d3mian: I don't know 10:54 * cap needs more coffee 10:54 < cap> cd ~/coffee-machine && gzip -cd new-coffee.gz | patch -p0 10:55 < huebi> cap: /dev/coffee not found! 10:56 < cap> hehe 10:57 < d3mian> how can i know the name of the current kernel image running? 10:57 < huebi> d3mian: uname -a 10:57 < anders_> lets see now.. Rene and Esden are both here.. the fingerprint of their GPG keys would be nice.. :) 10:57 < d3mian> is it not in freebsd? 10:57 * anders_ pokes rxr and esden for responses.. 10:57 < huebi> anders_: I think they still sleep.. 10:57 < anders_> ah.. :) 10:57 < d3mian> cauz in linux i see version, not filename 10:58 < d3mian> i want a output like 'bzImage' or 'vmlinuz' 10:58 < huebi> d3mian: I don't know... 10:58 < d3mian> k 10:58 < cap> d3mian: ask the bootloader ? 10:58 < d3mian> cap: ??? 10:58 < anders_> huebi: you a user of gpg ? 10:59 < cap> d3mian: if lilo .. try 'grep image /etc/lilo.conf ... ' 10:59 < huebi> anders_: Not in the moment. But I give you my key when I use it seriously 11:00 < cap> d3mian: if grub, dunno 11:00 < anders_> huebi: thanks.. :) 11:00 < huebi> cap: FreeBSD IIUC 11:00 < cap> oh 11:00 -!- simon--- [~sts@pD9E1D1F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:00 < d3mian> cap: i mean the current running image name, bot the images in loader 11:01 < d3mian> in freebsd i guess u can get current image name 11:01 < cap> no idea of FreeBSD 11:02 < d3mian> k 11:03 < anders_> d3mian: if you use uname -a to find the running kernel, you can use strings and bzcat coupled with strings on the images in /boot to figure out I guess 11:04 < d3mian> anders_: i couldnt get ur idea 11:07 < anders_> uname -a gives the running kernel, yes? 11:07 < d3mian> sure 11:07 < d3mian> the kernel version 11:07 < d3mian> ahh, i know now 11:07 < anders_> bzImage's and vmlinuz's are bz-compressed.. 11:08 < d3mian> u mean a grep to the images 11:08 < d3mian> and search for the version string 11:08 < d3mian> in those 11:08 < anders_> so a bzcat /boot/bzImage | strings | grep <whatever uname -a delivers etc..> 11:08 < anders_> yeah.. :) 11:08 < d3mian> yeah, sure 11:08 < anders_> that might be a way to find out which one you are running.. 11:09 < d3mian> another idea..> 11:09 < d3mian> ? 11:10 < anders_> Lemme check something first.. 11:10 < d3mian> sure 11:13 < anders_> I thought there might be something in /proc but couldn't find anything.. 11:13 -!- simon-- [~sts@p50874C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:14 -!- simon--- is now known as simon-- 11:15 < anders_> d3mian: just checked with another chap here, there is not really any good way to find out which image you booted. 11:16 < d3mian> well, i asked too, i couldnt find another way 11:17 < d3mian> yes, maybe sth in proc i thought too 11:17 < d3mian> but not sure , thnx anyway 11:19 < anders_> best way is to check the bootloader on startup.. 11:20 < d3mian> umm 11:23 < d3mian> well, i would like this cauz if i have several images in my loader and i load a image for some days and i cant remember waht image i loaded, i would need to know what image am i using for future changes to my loader and know what image i was using to load it again 11:24 < d3mian> it's 3:20am here and i have to work these last 3 hours to go classes 11:24 < d3mian> cu guys 11:25 < cap> bye d3mian 11:25 < huebi> cu d3mian 11:25 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|wrk 11:41 < anders_> d3m|wrk: what you can do is pass an argument to the kernel in the bootloader, like dem_image=<image_name>, and then look in /proc/cmdline for what image you are running.. 11:49 -!- l_9_l [~jarod@217.17.228.53] has quit ("___/-----|/=|") 11:50 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:58 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|screwdriv 12:01 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:02 < cap> moin hackbard 12:02 < hackbard> moin cap 12:02 < hackbard> hi all 12:07 < huebi> moin hackbard 12:09 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford 12:10 < hackbard> hi huebi, hi clifford 12:12 < clifford> hi hackbard - how is your cluster build doing? 12:14 < hackbard> i didnt start by now, i am currently downloading the latest snap to my snd pc 12:14 < hackbard> it took some time to get rock workin on it 12:15 < clifford> hackbard: forget the last snap - it won't go bejond stage 1 ... 12:15 < clifford> I'm fixing that right now. 12:16 < hackbard> okay! 12:24 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Excess Flood) 12:24 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:24 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Excess Flood) 12:25 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:37 -!- hackbard is now known as hack^afk 12:37 < hack^afk> later .. 12:41 -!- ringo78 [~idiot@co116627-a.almel1.ov.nl.home.com] has joined #rocklinux 12:45 < praenti|sleep> huebi: da? 12:45 < huebi> praenti|sleep: jo 12:45 -!- praenti|sleep is now known as praenti 12:45 < praenti> moin 12:46 < praenti> huebi: have you read the mail with the samba.ext? 12:46 < huebi> praenti: Jo, I plan to get it into base and remove it from ext. 12:47 < praenti> huebi: same idea as me. 12:47 < huebi> praenti: samba seems to be broken with ./configure --prefix=/bla/bla 12:48 < huebi> if I use ./configure --prefix=/opt/samba-2.2.4 I still get some files somewhere els than in /opt/samba-2.2.4 12:49 < praenti> huebi:würg 12:49 < huebi> praenti: Exact! 12:49 < praenti> huebi: they should read the autocanof, automake docu 12:49 < praenti> s/autocanof/autoconf 12:50 < huebi> praenti: <- hat heute dicke Finger ;-))) 12:51 -!- tsa [~tsa@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:51 < tsa> moin allerseits 12:51 < tsa> *gaehn* 12:51 < huebi> Tonight I have to check the cvs 12:52 < huebi> tsa: MOEP!! - are you awake now? ;-) 12:52 < praenti> huebi: do want to make a new snap? 12:52 < huebi> praenti: Yes. 12:53 < tsa> huebi: hm...still unsure 12:53 < huebi> In the moment I'm at work reading sth about docbook. 12:53 -!- LoriniABI is now known as Lorini 12:53 < tsa> huebi: guess i'll have some breakfast first and decide afterwards ;-) 12:54 * huebi needs to do very much documentation in the next weeks 12:54 < huebi> tsa <- coffe junky? 12:54 < tsa> huebi: sure. 12:54 < huebi> hehe 12:55 < tsa> is there a life without caffeine? 12:55 < huebi> tsa: White coffe from Columbia? ;-)) 12:55 < tsa> hehe 12:55 < tsa> a little bit too expensive, i guess.. 12:55 < tsa> does it make you staying awake any longer? 13:05 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Excess Flood) 13:06 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:06 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@pD9E3EE1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Excess Flood) 13:06 < tsa> hehe 13:12 < ringo78> tsa: speed also makes you vey awake (and active). 13:12 < tsa> hehe 13:12 < tsa> i guess i'll stay with coffee.. 13:12 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/Koksen.mpeg <- Is that tsa in an omnibus? ;-))) 13:13 * tsa wgetting 13:14 * huebi thinking about QoS ;-)) 13:14 < tsa> hehe...sorry for filling up your bandwitdh ;) 13:15 < huebi> tsa: have fun... QoS is my problem. or better no QoS 13:15 < huebi> :-)) 13:16 < tsa> hm....is it possible to use multiple desktops with twm? i can't find a pager or something. 13:18 < tsa> fvwm/fvwm2 has a desktop pager.. 13:18 < tsa> hm.. 13:27 < anders_> rene and/or esden awake yet? 13:27 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@pD9E63284.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell") 13:28 * anders_ pokes rxr and esden with a stick.. 13:40 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205101317. 13:43 < tsa> hm.....just recieved mail from ripclaw... 13:43 < tsa> anyone interested in taking over xarchon package? 13:43 < praenti> huebi: https://www.prout.be/qos/ 13:44 < praenti> huebi: bei jedem aufbau deiner dsl-leitung 14:25 -!- kvak|uninvited [uninvited@p5080341A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ROCKLINUX 14:26 < kvak|uninvited> Hi 14:26 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:27 < term_emu> moin 14:27 * kvak|uninvited is looking for netcrow 14:31 -!- snyke [~snyke@194.174.14.16] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 < snyke> hi all 14:31 < snyke> :) 14:35 < kvak|uninvited> Hi 14:36 < snyke> ui da unininvited is hier! 14:36 < snyke> *Freu* 14:36 < snyke> -in 14:36 < snyke> *g* 14:37 < kvak|uninvited> Jo. 14:38 < kvak|uninvited> Sag mal, hast du den Netcrow gesehen ? 14:38 < kvak|uninvited> Ich hab da ne neue Kiste für ihn... 14:39 < snyke> nee... 14:39 < snyke> keine ahnung wo sich der rumtreibt 14:39 < snyke> sms ihm doch mal 14:43 < huebi> Does here someone have any experience with docbook? 14:43 < huebi> I need a way to start with it quickly. 14:43 < huebi> :-) 14:44 < snyke> <- not 14:45 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> Tell me, what is docbook ? 14:48 < esden> hi all 14:48 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: It's a documentation "tool" used in the LDP, KDE, Gnome... for documentation. It has support to generate several outputfile type from one input file. 14:48 < huebi> hi esden 14:49 * -> esden is dying ... 14:49 < huebi> esden: R.I.P. 14:49 < esden> yo 14:49 < esden> thanks 14:49 < huebi> :-) 14:52 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> I see, what kind of outputfile can this be ? 14:52 < kvak|uninvited> Hello esden 14:58 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: .txt .html .sgml .xml .tex .ps .pdf .... 14:59 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: .doc .rtf 14:59 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> ah, well pdf sounds okay. What kind of input file does it accept ? 14:59 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: .xml 15:02 < kvak|uninvited> Oh. .xml *thinks* 15:08 < kvak|uninvited> Oh baby cries have to leave ! Farewell ! 15:08 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: by 15:08 -!- kvak|uninvited [uninvited@p5080341A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ROCKLINUX () 15:15 < huebi> Does somebody know where SMP is? 15:15 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:16 < esden> ohh der uni ist endlich papa geworden ... wiso sagt mir keiner was :-( 15:16 -!- blindy|screwdriv is now known as blindcoder 15:16 < blindcoder> hi esden 15:16 < blindcoder> hi rest ;) 15:16 < esden> hi crash !!! 15:16 < esden> how are you ... 15:17 < esden> I am back home puhh 15:17 < anders_> mmmhmm.. esden is alive.. good.. :) 15:17 < blindcoder> fine... I've given myself a lot of work today 15:17 < esden> anders_: ??? *panic* 15:17 < esden> blindcoder: and what have you done ? 15:17 < anders_> esden: could you give me the fingerprint of your GPG key plz.. :) 15:18 < blindcoder> I've installed ROCK 15:18 < esden> anders_: mom 15:18 < huebi> esden is reborn. Very fast I think. Now the queastion is: Is kvak|uninvited his new father? 15:19 < esden> anders_: 9E6C 6CDC 6971 715C F8DB F3E2 F3B0 453E BE98 A970 15:19 < esden> hmm ... 15:20 < esden> is it ok ... 15:20 < esden> hmm ... 15:20 < esden> should be 15:20 < huebi> Never try a download at oracle friday afternoon. Now all the people who had a course at oracle this week are downloading the latest patches. 15:20 < anders_> one sec.. 15:21 < th> hey all 15:21 < anders_> esden: yeah, that's okay.. :) 15:21 < blindcoder> *argl* what does this blinking pice of **** on my upper left corner in X? 15:21 < esden> anders_: goood ;-{ 15:21 < esden> argh 15:21 < esden> good ;-) 15:21 < huebi> th moin 15:21 < esden> hi th 15:22 < esden> blindcoder: a cursor from frabebuffer ? 15:22 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048544.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 15:24 < blindcoder> esden: might be... 15:24 < esden> blindcoder: the radio station is on 107.35FM 15:26 < ringo78> blindcoder: Don't you like it (that's why I have a fbdev). 15:28 < blindcoder> well.. I don't like it, that's right... 15:28 < ringo78> If I swap to console ctrl-F1 and back it's gone ... (using Icewm) 15:28 < blindcoder> oh... another one of that errors... thanks, it works with me, too 15:29 < blindcoder> all I need now is a IceWM-Xinerama-Patch ;) 15:44 < blindcoder> I HATE CPAN 15:45 < ringo78> whats wrong with them ? 15:47 < blindcoder> i can't find the right Carp.pm for CPAN.pm 15:48 < esden> hmmm ... is this shranz ? ... 15:48 < esden> a sort of ... I think 15:48 < rxr> re 15:48 < esden> re rxr 15:49 < blindcoder> esden? wtf? 15:49 < esden> blindcoder: radio ... 15:49 < blindcoder> oh 15:49 < rxr> hi clifford 15:50 * anders_ notices that rxr has awakened as well.. 15:50 < huebi> blindcoder: Eat, ehm grep this: https://www.cpan.org/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz 15:51 < anders_> rxr, got the fingerprint of your GPG key? :) 15:51 < th> erfahrung mit intellinet switchen hier im channel? 15:51 < th> kleine 8port dinger 15:51 < huebi> blindcoder: And download from here: https://www.cpan.org/modules/by-authors/id/ 15:51 < huebi> :-)) 15:52 < blindcoder> Carp undef G/GS/GSAR/perl-5.6.1.tar.gz 15:52 < blindcoder> >_< 15:52 < esden> blindcoder: you have done something wrong 15:52 < esden> read compilation log ... 15:53 * -> esden baking a pizza ... yum 15:53 < blindcoder> esden: the lgos aren't, by any chance, on the base-cd, are they? 15:54 < esden> logos ??? what do you mean ? 15:54 * anders_ taps rxr on the shoulder and waves a cattleprod around menacingly... 15:55 < esden> anders_: what is cattleprod ? 15:55 < blindcoder> esden: logs 15:55 < esden> blindcoder: should I know what lgos is ? 15:55 < esden> ahh 15:55 < esden> logs 15:56 * -> esden b4|<4 15:56 < anders_> esden: a cattleprod is those staffs that give off electric shocks.. :) 15:56 < esden> anders_: ahh cool !! :D 15:56 < anders_> people moving large amounts of cows around use them to speed the cows up a bit.. :) 15:56 < esden> hmm dunno blindcoder 15:56 < esden> lot me check ... 15:57 < anders_> I thought one of those might provoke a reaction from rxr... ;-) 15:59 < huebi> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/em-10.05.02-000/ <- hmm. I missed a new fefeism... 15:59 < esden> blindcoder: nope they are not on the cd's 16:00 < rxr> clifford: the missing file patch got out :-( 16:00 < rxr> anders_: was it a qeustion about the key? 16:01 < blindcoder> damn.. I just found out that I'm lacking base.pm and strict.pm, too 16:02 < huebi> blindcoder: Often in a perlscrip at the beginning is written USE foo::bar ... 16:03 < esden> huebi: there are logs ... 16:03 < huebi> blindcoder: These are the modules you need. 16:03 < esden> blindcoder: the compile of perl is broken 16:03 < blindcoder> huebi: yes, there's written use Carp () 16:03 < huebi> blindcoder: hehe 16:03 < blindcoder> but Carp seems to be only within perl.x-x-x.tar.gz 16:03 < blindcoder> not standalone 16:04 < esden> blindcoder: junge dein build is putt versuche es nochmal zu bauen 16:04 < esden> du kannst es ja dann nachinstallieren 16:04 < huebi> esden: I meant it ironically when I said I missed it. Im glad not to waist my time with something like that 16:04 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 16:04 < blindcoder> also nochmal von vorne saugen und compilen... tage später... 16:04 < anders_> rxr: your GPG key, can you get me the fingerprint of it? 16:05 < esden> blindcoder: du sollst es nicht auf dem laptop bauen 16:05 < rxr> EDE3 A5D5 EFA3 07E9 5B31 145B EF11 6698 0789 0037 16:05 < esden> hast doch noch deine build umgebung auf der hauptkiste drouf 16:05 < blindcoder> überleg mal an welcher kiste ich grade sitzen könnte mit diesen problemen? 16:05 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.1.189] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:06 < esden> blindcoder: weiss net laptop ... da hattest die probleme soweit ich weiss ... 16:06 < huebi> export LANG=en 16:06 < esden> naja ... aber jetzt gehe ich essen 16:06 < esden> sarry huebi 16:06 < esden> i mean sorry ;-) 16:06 < blindcoder> ich sitz an crazyhorse 16:07 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.7.210] has joined #rocklinux 16:07 < anders_> rxr: many thanks.. :) 16:07 < clifford> hi rxr again (i hate isdn reconnects). 16:07 < rxr> clifford: hi 16:07 < rxr> the missing file patch got out - sorry :-( 16:08 < clifford> rxr: thx. I have to reconnect imap/ssh bevore I can fetch it ... :-( 16:12 < esden> who is not knowing him yet that is fefe ;-) : https://www.heise.de/chat/icons/fvl.jpg 16:12 < ringo78> kan koffice read word files ? If so does it need kde installed ? 16:13 < clifford> esden: not as slim as dietlibc ... :-) 16:14 < esden> clifford: RAFL 16:14 < esden> clifford: ROFL 16:15 < huebi> esden: He looks a little bit mor heavy weight than on last CCC, IIRC 16:16 < esden> huebi: I remember him nearly exactli like on this photo 16:25 < blindcoder> esden: I compiled perl manually now... It works that waay 16:25 < praenti> esden: was hat der schon wieder alles in seiner wut reingestopft 16:26 < blindcoder> esden: was machst heut abend? 16:27 * praenti knows fefe's problem. every time i program sth that doesnt work is always ending in a big eating 16:33 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:34 < blindcoder> is there a command line switch to enable color support with xterm? 16:34 < bluefire> Moin 16:35 < blindcoder> hiblu 16:36 < rxr> re 16:38 < rxr> ringo78: koffice read word and excel files partially. 16:38 < rxr> the kde-libs need to be installed. 16:40 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|away 16:41 < rxr> clifford: during my Sync I did not saw such revolutionary Build-* changes that would make me fell the next build will work? 16:42 < clifford> rxr: it's still buggy (will upload another snap in about 30 minutes). 16:42 < rxr> ah 16:42 < clifford> however - there was not much to fix and it looks good so far here .. 16:43 < rxr> clifford: sure only the time calculation needs to be fixed ... 16:44 < clifford> rxr: it's still kinda broken in the last snap (works, but produces irritation output on package fail) 16:44 < rxr> clifford: is the gcc3 able to build most packages? 16:45 < clifford> I don't know. 16:59 -!- hack^afk is now known as hackbard 16:59 < hackbard> re 17:05 -!- blindy|away is now known as blindcoder 17:05 < blindcoder> rehi all 17:14 * anders_ is going.. time to go home for the weekend. 17:14 < anders_> ~~~ all 17:14 < huebi> bye anders_ 17:14 < anders_> have a nice weekend all 17:14 < huebi> you too 17:14 < huebi> :-) 17:14 -!- anders_ [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("and there was a loud bang...") 17:19 < d3m|wrk> hi 17:19 -!- d3m|wrk is now known as d3mian 17:20 < huebi> hi d3mian 17:21 < huebi> hackbard: Do you have a JavaStation? 17:21 < hackbard> yes, you dont remember it from 18c3 ? 17:22 < huebi> hackbard: Yes, but not exactly. How high is it? 17:22 < hackbard> mom, ich mess mal ab 17:22 < hackbard> :) 17:23 < huebi> 30cm, about the lenght of a A4 sheet? 17:24 < hackbard> 7cm high, 29 cm length, 18cm ehh .. breite :) 17:24 < huebi> hackbard: width 17:24 < huebi> :-)) 17:24 < hackbard> :) 17:25 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Miscellaneous/MISC_JavaStation_JJ.html <- This one? 17:26 < hackbard> yes! 17:27 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Miscellaneous/MISC_JavaStation_JK.html <- I try to get some of these for a very good price. THEY HAVE SOME FLASH RAM. (caps-lock) And they have no fan 17:27 < huebi> hackbard: do you here the fan? 17:28 < hackbard> ah thast the 2nd generation AFAIK 17:28 < hackbard> they are called cups or espresso, right? 17:28 < hackbard> mine has a fan and yes, you hear it! 17:29 < huebi> hackbard: I don't want to hear it. I want to have it in the livingroom. 17:29 < huebi> Without any disturbance. 17:29 * huebi searching for specifikations... 17:29 < hackbard> yes, waht i wanted to say is that mr coffee actually is extremely loud 17:30 < huebi> hackbard: Really? 17:30 < huebi> I thought there is no fan inside... 17:30 < hackbard> in german: ja , im gegensatz zur leistung die sie bringt .. 17:30 < hackbard> :) 17:31 < huebi> hackbard: Ich moechte auf der JavaStation nur einen kernel und X am laufen haben. Und sie muss unhoerbar sein. Sonst taucht das nicht. 17:33 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:33 < hackbard> okay, dann aber nicht die javastation1 aka mr. coffee 17:33 < hackbard> die hat 1. fan 17:33 < hackbard> und 2. ist x extrem langsam 17:33 < netcrow> hallo 17:33 < hackbard> hi netcrow 17:33 < d3mian> hi netcrow 17:33 < snyke> hi netcrow 17:33 < huebi> hi netcrow 17:33 < huebi> hmm hackbard. Dann sehe ich mir mal die 2. Generation an. 17:34 < hackbard> jo 17:39 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 17:42 < huebi> Changing place now. cu later again. Then I build a new snap shot of 1.5 17:42 < huebi> :-) 17:42 < huebi> "Feierabend!" 17:43 < d3mian> bye huebi 17:43 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|wrk 17:43 < d3m|wrk> cu 17:45 < blindcoder> kuso... why does my kterm throw a "kterm: no available ptys"?? 17:46 < hackbard> support enabled in kernel .config ? 17:47 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/pics/screenshot_parasim.jpg 17:47 < hackbard> nice! 17:48 < clifford> hackbard: the simulation script is the work of 1.5 days ... :-) 17:48 < snyke> aaa LAG 17:48 < huebi> re 17:48 < huebi> I have to wait for my backup :-( 17:48 < huebi> clifford: looks good 17:49 < clifford> huebi: yes - but it shows that building on 8 nodes is more or less useless. 17:49 < hackbard> clifford: are you soon uploading a new snap or may i start with the 1317 snap? 17:49 < clifford> we need to fix the dependencies. That's what I'm now working on (after makin' another snap). 17:50 < huebi> clifford: Yes, it does. 17:50 < rxr> clifford: which packages are this? all except sf ? 17:50 < huebi> ;-( 17:50 < clifford> rxr: All except sf and thos packages which are 'marked broken'. 17:50 < blindcoder> it should... wait, I'll double-check that 17:51 < clifford> (because there is no buildtime record for the broken packages) 17:51 < rxr> for the sf packages a 8 knot cluster might be a win since there shouldn't be many dependencies ... 17:51 * snyke @kino 17:51 -!- snyke [~snyke@194.174.14.16] has quit ("BitchX: the ONLY three day cure!") 17:52 < blindcoder> [*] Unix98 PTY support 17:53 < praenti> huebi: ich habe fertig. abiword, speech_tools und wine sind zu alt zum patchen. da würd ich eher neuschreiben sagen 17:53 < clifford> rxr: yes. but moste of the sf packages are broken - so .. 17:54 < rxr> ... 17:55 < rxr> I continue to fix them ... 17:56 < rxr> hm the last -pre snapshot of gcc-3.1 is out ;-) 17:57 < clifford> rxr: in the latest snapshots it should be enough to change the version in gcc3.desc for upgrading to a gcc3 snapshot .. 17:58 < huebi> praenti: new Changelog ;-)) 17:58 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog 17:59 < esden> re hi all 17:59 < huebi> Oh, I see I have to do very much this weekend. 17:59 < esden> I think I need some sleep ... :-/ 17:59 < huebi> but now, see you later.. 18:06 < praenti> huebi: hab da einen ci vergessen mom. is jetzt drauf 18:10 < tsa> bbl 18:10 -!- tsa [~tsa@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:32 < bluefire> Bye 18:32 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 18:45 < hackbard> hmm, one must not start Build-Target (cluster build) on a Create-Link location ... 18:45 < rxr> re 18:46 < clifford> hackbard: ?? 18:46 < rxr> ah some rock updates 18:48 < clifford> rxr: gcc-3.0.4/gcc/fixinc - what's that crap? 18:48 < hackbard> clifford: i have the rock-sources seperated from rock-build, but i am not allowed to run Create-Links now on the master, as far as i see 18:49 < clifford> hackbard: what's the error message? 18:50 < hackbard> it doesnt find the job queue 18:50 < hackbard> but, hmm ... i ll have a look before i continue to complain :) 18:50 < clifford> how exactly is you fs layout on the master and how are your nfs mounts configured. 18:51 < clifford> s/\.$/?/ 18:51 < hackbard> /mnt/lfs-src/rock-src... <- the original sources including the whole packages in download 18:52 < hackbard> /mnt/lfs/rock-build <- thats my build dir , created with Create-Links 18:52 < hackbard> exported are /mnt/lfs-src & /mnt/lfs/rock-build 18:53 < clifford> and the config on the clients? 18:53 < clifford> ... aehm ... nodes. 18:53 < hackbard> i mounted master:/mnt/lfs/rock-build to /mnt/rock-mount on the client 18:54 < clifford> hackbard: nothing else? 18:54 < hackbard> master:/mnt/lfs-src to /mnt/lfs-src 18:54 < hackbard> and then did a Create-Link from /mnt/rock-mount to /mnt/rock-node 18:55 < clifford> aehm .. that doesn't work .. 18:55 < hackbard> actually i dont know myself what i did the last minuites :) 18:56 < clifford> did you read my BUILD-CLUSTER document? 18:56 * rxr untaring gcc-3.0.4 18:57 < hackbard> yes, but as i said, i will read it again before i continue complainig :) 18:57 < clifford> hackbard: the build/ directory must me shared with nfs, also the config/ directory. 18:58 < clifford> And every node must have full access to the entire sources including the download/ directory. 18:58 < clifford> just follow the symbolic links on the node and you will see the problem .. 18:59 < hackbard> thast why i exported /mnt/lfs-src on teh master and mounted it to /mnt/lfs-src on the cleint 18:59 < rxr> clifford: I have no idea what this stuff is about ... ?!? 19:00 < rxr> (was fixincludes) 19:00 < clifford> rxr: it's the reason why gcc depends on > 150 packages (i.e. all packages which do have header files). 19:01 < rxr> clifford: ah slowly I remember 19:02 < clifford> rxr: tell me more ... :-) 19:02 < rxr> I once saw this - maybe it is for testing purposes to generate more accurate headers ? for gcc-testing ? 19:03 < clifford> rxr: it looks like there is no configure option to turn it off .. 19:03 < rxr> clifford: I need a deeper look into it - but when I tried a gcc3 dRock I noticed that this is generating ANSI C / C++ compliant headers 19:03 < rxr> clifford: does gcc install the fixed versions ? 19:04 < hackbard> oh, the problem is i ddint do a Create-Links -build 19:04 < hackbard> stupid me 19:04 < clifford> rxr yes. but I don't think it is needed. 19:04 < hackbard> now it works ... 19:04 < clifford> hackbard: does it work now? 19:05 < hackbard> oh, but i get errors on the master 19:05 < clifford> (btw you also need to pass the -config option to Create-Links) 19:05 < hackbard> yes i did 19:05 < clifford> hackbard: what errors? 19:05 < hackbard> may i copy paste? 19:05 < clifford> sure. 19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 2002-05-10: creating new job '0-00-dirtree' 19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation: finished job '0-00-dirtree' (ERROR) 19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation: building job '0-00-dirtree' (9338) .. 19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation: finished job '0-00-dirtree' (ERROR) 19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation: building job '0-00-dirtree' (9338) .. 19:06 < hackbard> and so on .. 19:06 < clifford> whats in build/default-*/queue/ ? 19:07 * rxr too 19:07 < rxr> I'll take a look afetr launch 19:08 < clifford> rxr: great. I will meanwhile write my replacement for $flistdel .. 19:09 < hackbard> maybe there are still probs with my cruel fs layout ... 19:09 < rxr> clifford: why? 19:09 < rxr> the 1.5 and 1.7 version might anyway contain some typos I fixed in dRock ... ;-) 19:10 < clifford> rxr: the flist wrapper is logging the program which made the file access - I want to have the possibility to also use this information when filtering.. 19:11 < clifford> hackbard: maybe you have old procs running.. 19:30 < blindcoder> geez... something seems to be wrong with my ncurses... 19:32 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|away 19:33 < huebi> reMuede! 19:33 < huebi> hehe 19:37 * huebi restarts the ROCK 1.5.12 installation on the Ultra 30 ;-) 19:37 -!- surprise [kdlcjc@greencard.inder.eu.org] has quit (Success) 19:41 * rxr visiting gcc3 19:42 < clifford> rxr: I think I've fixed the problem already .. 19:42 * clifford is makin gcc3 test build right now. 19:42 < rxr> removing it from the Makefile.in 19:43 < clifford> MAKE="$MAKE STMP_FIXPROTO='' STMP_FIXINC=''" 19:43 < rxr> clifford: could we please make comments for those modifications? 19:44 < rxr> so we know in some month / years what this stuff did ... 19:45 < clifford> '# Don't run fixinc and fixproto' is already in the line above it. (but I don't know if it works so far ..) 19:49 * clifford is reading 'The Antipope' by Robert Rankin .... *rotfl* 19:53 < rxr> clifford: what is the difference of shift 2 and shift ; shift 19:55 < clifford> if there is only 1 parameter left, 'shift 2' does nothing - which results in an endless-loop. 19:55 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B91C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:55 < rxr> clifford: ok 19:55 < tsa> hi again 19:55 < rxr> hi th 19:55 < rxr> aerm tsa ;-) 19:56 < clifford> rxr: the make hack doesn't work .. 19:57 < tsa> rxr: hm....is LDFLAGS="-z combreloc" equal to your LD="$LD -z combreloc" ? 19:57 * tsa rebuilding mozilla 19:57 < rxr> tsa: should be - but it hasn't the desired effect anyway ... 19:58 < tsa> rxr: because it's mozilla and not glaoen? 19:58 < tsa> galeon 19:58 < rxr> tsa: I think your new build will not have a speed improvement 19:58 < rxr> tsa: no, because this does not prelink the library 19:58 < tsa> rxr: i don't know... 19:58 < tsa> i've had a look at the .spec-file from redhat 19:58 < rxr> the prelinking is sitll done in a external progeam 19:59 < rxr> tsa: and? 19:59 < tsa> most obvious difference: --without-debug on RH 19:59 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:59 < netcrow> hi 19:59 < tsa> i'll try that when my mozilla build has finished 19:59 < tsa> hi netcrow 19:59 < rxr> tsa: ? don't we do this , too ? 19:59 < tsa> rxr: no, we don't 20:00 < rxr> must be lost in the mergings ... 20:00 < tsa> from galeon.conf: eval ./configure $confopt --with-mozilla-home=/usr/lib/mozilla 20:00 < rxr> tsa: informations about prelink are very rare ... you also need a recent glibc and binutils 20:01 < tsa> binutils 2.12.90.0.1 1.7.0-DEV-200203272252 20:01 < tsa> glibc 2.2.5 1.7.0-DEV-200202271811 20:01 < rxr> and it seems that the prelinking has to be done with an external program ... 20:01 < tsa> (this was a 1.4.0 system, a long long time ago.. ) 20:01 < rxr> tsa: ok 20:01 < tsa> all updates were done with Build-Pkg, even glibc 20:02 < rxr> I spent the whole night (to 6 o'clock or so) searching through all the rare infos 20:02 < tsa> hehe 20:03 < rxr> I also emailed the authors of the two prelink utilities - but have not got an answer 20:03 < rxr> both are slightly outdated and do not work out-of-the-box with the current glibc ... 20:04 < rxr> tsa: are all redhat .spec files online somewhere ? 20:04 < tsa> rxr: uhm...i don't know...i extracted it from the src.rpm .. 20:05 * rxr hates any kind of rpm ... 20:05 * tsa too 20:05 < rxr> a url to srpms ? 20:06 < tsa> you'll find most of them on https://rpmfind.net 20:10 < rxr> the latest 1.7 snap started to build here - I'm rather curious how far it will get 20:12 * clifford is trying another solution to the gcc3 problem .. 20:29 < rxr> clifford: have you heared anything about the object-prelinking ? 20:31 < huebi> Where can I add this: -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc to openssl? 20:32 < ringo78> I get setting locale failed and locale not supported by c-lib what's wrong ? 20:33 < rxr> ringo78: where did you got this - on which rock tree ? 20:33 < rxr> huebi: do you only need it for openssl ? 20:33 < tsa> huebi: add it to gcc. 20:34 < tsa> GCC=gcc -mv8 ... 20:34 < rxr> tsa: na 20:35 < rxr> using the gcc wrapper is more reliable ... 20:35 < ringo78> 1.5.12 .. Get this at start of X and when starting perl 20:35 < rxr> but maybe adding this to arch-conf/sparc/gcc-opt-irgendwas would be nicer? 20:35 < tsa> ripclaw forwarded a mail to the rock-ports list.. 20:35 < rxr> ringo78: LANG is set to what? 20:35 < tsa> Subject: [rock-ports] [Stefan.Koerner@Sun.COM: FYI improving ssh2 performance 20:36 < tsa> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:20:59 +0100 20:36 < tsa> this one deals with the openssl issue on sun4u 20:36 < ringo78> sri 4 the late reaction but I am making tk and the focus keeps on switching. 20:36 < tsa> damn mozilla. 20:36 * tsa still waiting. 20:37 < huebi> What should I do now with 20:37 < huebi> -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc 20:37 < huebi> ? 20:37 < rxr> this depends 20:38 < rxr> CC_WRAPPER_INSERT="CC_WRAPPER_INSERT -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc" 20:38 < rxr> or how it is named in 1.5 ... 20:38 < huebi> Icopy that and try it out. 20:38 -!- hackbard is now known as hack^ 20:38 -!- hack^ is now known as hackbard 20:39 < rxr> but this combination look a bit strange 20:39 < rxr> ultrasparc is -mv9 ... 20:39 < ringo78> get this mg : "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")" 20:40 < rxr> ringo78: which localte are u using ? 20:40 < clifford> rxr: CC_WRAPPER_INSERT="$CC_WRAPPER_INSERT -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc" (you forgott the '$' .. :-) 20:41 < rxr> clifford: tnx ;-) 20:41 < ringo78> whats localte ? (sri 4 asking) 20:41 < huebi> thank you! 20:41 < clifford> man 7 locale ... :-) 20:41 < rxr> locale 20:41 < ringo78> ok ! reading ... 20:41 < rxr> echo $LANG 20:41 < clifford> a database with translations for program messages and other stuff .. 20:42 < clifford> or $LC_ALL and other $LC_* .. 20:44 < ringo78> thanks ! 20:49 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 20:59 < rxr> argh install_init not founf *grummel* 21:05 < tsa> aaaah 21:05 < tsa> mozilla and galeon finished 21:05 < tsa> changes to .conf-file: 21:05 < tsa> export LDFLAGS="-z combreloc" 21:06 -!- surprise [kdlcjc@greencard.inder.eu.org] has joined #rocklinux 21:06 < tsa> addtional --without-debug 21:06 < tsa> seems to be a little bit faster. 21:06 < rxr> tsa: and difference? the -z combreloc should not give you one ... 21:06 < tsa> rxr: litte bit faster, IMHO 21:06 < clifford> rxr: fixed the gcc3 problem .. 21:07 < tsa> clifford: please add "--without-debug" to the configure options for galeon.. 21:07 < clifford> tsa: -> rxr .. 21:07 < tsa> rxr: see above. 21:07 < clifford> maybe we should add '--without-debug' as general gnu configure option? 21:08 < tsa> ack. 21:08 < rxr> jups 21:08 < clifford> done. (won't be in the next snap since i'm already uploading it) 21:09 < tsa> ok 21:09 < rxr> ok - so we should remove all --dislable-debugs in package in the next time ? 21:09 < tsa> hm....i'd like to get rid of that nasty mozilla bug that mozilla once has to be started as root.. 21:11 < rxr> tsa: the bug is ont present anymore 21:11 < rxr> tsa: where do you have this ? 21:11 < tsa> rxr: it's still present. 21:12 < tsa> rxr: fresh mozilla built 21:12 < rxr> not when you use the rock 1.7 or dRock package 21:12 < tsa> i did use the 1.7 package 21:12 < rxr> export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=$dist_bin 21:12 < rxr> ./regxpcom | true 21:12 < rxr> ./regchrome | true 21:12 < tsa> started as normal user - curedump 21:12 < tsa> core 21:12 < tsa> started as root - ok 21:12 < tsa> started as normal user - ok 21:13 < rxr> the above tools generate the needed registry stuff ... 21:14 < tsa> rxr: try for yourself. 21:14 < rxr> i do not need to try it works in dRock for 1/4 year now ... It worked in the last 1.6.0-rc3 build ... 21:15 < rxr> tsa: but I'll run a user motzilla the next time 1.7 compiles here ... 21:15 < tsa> ok 21:20 * clifford released snap 1.7.0-DEV-200205102059. 21:20 < clifford> I'm now away - cu. 21:20 < tsa> cu clifford 21:20 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 21:21 < clifford_away> btw: improved cluster performance after fixing gcc3 dependency problem: https://www.rocklinux.org/pics/screenshot_parasim.jpg 21:21 < tsa> clifford_away: i like your sawfish theme.. 21:21 < huebi> cu clifford_away 21:21 < tsa> i did even try to click on it.. 21:21 < d3m|wrk> cu wolf 21:27 -!- cap_ [~cap@pD9048555.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:27 < tsa> hi cap_ 21:28 -!- d3m|wrk is now known as d3mian 21:28 < cap_> hi 21:28 < d3mian> yo capchaos 21:28 < cap_> ;-) 21:28 < rxr> cap_: 21:28 < rxr> ! 21:29 < rxr> You wanted to report mayn spelling fixes ? ;-) 21:31 < d3mian> :) 21:32 < rxr> erm many ;-) 21:32 < tsa> hihi 21:32 < d3mian> yes, i noted that :> 21:32 < tsa> /nick aspell 21:32 < tsa> ;) 21:32 < huebi> sparc is not the easyest to boot. Specialy if there are no SCSI drivers in the kernel and no working compiler ;P 21:32 -!- cap__ [~cap@pD9048439.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:32 < rxr> tsa: you are aspell ? ;-) 21:33 < rxr> tsa: you could read over all rock and dRock scripts! ;-) 21:33 < cap__> rxr: the ./scripts/Download -ext alias is documented but not in the scripts.. 21:33 < rxr> cap__: ah yes - this got removed. I'll update the docs 21:33 < tsa> rxr: no, i am not. 21:33 < cap__> why removed? 21:34 < rxr> because this concept was totally broken in 1.4 21:34 < rxr> most packages are in our base ... 21:34 * tsa usink more spellink errors from now on 21:34 < rxr> tsa: hey I do not do that evil spelling mistakes ... 21:35 * huebi is jusink Netzkappe vor brausinc. 21:35 < tsa> rxr: this is pitr mode. 21:35 < rxr> tsa: but his emails look pretty good ;-) 21:35 < tsa> hehe 21:35 < huebi> McDonad's mode ;> 21:36 < huebi> +l 21:36 < cap__> rxr: ah ok.. another question: is there a way to contribute / rockanize packages ? 21:36 < rxr> cap__: you should contribute them to ROCK-1.7 21:36 < tsa> cap_: there's a howto somewhere in Documentation/.. 21:36 < rxr> cap__: which packages do you think about ? 21:37 < cap__> rxr: gaim e.g. 21:37 < rxr> oh gaim 21:37 < tsa> .oO( no category discussion. PLEASE!) 21:38 < rxr> cap__: this one is also an option for dRock-1.6.0 ;-) 21:38 < tsa> hm....you'll need souceforge cvs access if you want to maintain your packages.. 21:38 < cap__> rxr: i didnt find it.. 21:38 < rxr> tsa: no you 21:38 < rxr> don't 21:38 < rxr> cap__: I meant an option to go into dRock before 1.6.0 ;-) 21:39 < tsa> rxr: 21:39 < tsa> what 21:39 < tsa> else 21:39 < tsa> ? 21:39 < rxr> contribute it into a normal 1.7 repository 21:39 < tsa> rxr: which means what - make package, send it to the list? 21:39 < rxr> I really think sf should be slit into smaller peaces of logical untis. 21:39 < rxr> for example 21:39 < tsa> rxr: ack. 21:40 < rxr> or to the repository maintainer 21:40 < tsa> x11/* is logical 21:40 < rxr> tsa: for what? gaim ? 21:40 < tsa> extra(1|2) isn't. 21:40 < tsa> rxr: general. 21:40 < tsa> rxr: but then all those logigal units have to be available to pkg maintainers. 21:41 < rxr> extra1 was indented for normal but not basic packages - but cliff turned it into a stuff of Rene repository ... 21:41 < tsa> i know. 21:41 < tsa> i'd like to see everything on a central cvs repository. 21:41 < tsa> not just sf stuff. 21:41 < rxr> urgh 21:41 < tsa> like huebi has for 1.6 21:41 < rxr> ok - i have no time for this discussion 21:42 < tsa> hehe 21:42 < rxr> (hopfully cliff and me continue it the way it is ;-) 21:42 < rxr> cap__: back to you 21:42 < cap__> rxr: i only want to include packages that are not officially part of dRock or Rock into its scripts & indexes so i dont have to compiled it "manually" every installation 21:43 < rxr> cap__: any package you need can go into ROCK 21:43 < tsa> rxr: and developers won't have access to their own packages? 21:43 < tsa> must send patches to a "tree maintainer". 21:44 < cap__> rxr: how do you mean? 21:44 < rxr> argh chaos here 21:44 < cap__> ;) 21:44 -!- cap__ is now known as capchaos 21:45 < rxr> cap__: I meant: yes, sure, great feel free to send over package configs for the packages you need they will go into ROCK 1.7 21:46 < rxr> capchaos: take a look into Documentation/Developers/HACKING-HOWTO 21:46 < rxr> of 1.7 21:46 < capchaos> yep thx i'll do 21:46 -!- cap_ [~cap@pD9048555.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:47 < huebi> capchaos: If you have patches for 1.5 upload them as anonymous@ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload ;-) 21:48 < tsa> oh, cool. place to store my backups ;) 21:48 < huebi> root@ella:~# df -h 21:48 < huebi> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 21:48 < huebi> /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 21:48 < huebi> 3.9G 3.6G 144M 97% / 21:48 < huebi> none 502M 0 502M 0% /dev/shm 21:48 < huebi> /dev/datavg/datengrab 21:48 < huebi> 298G 192G 106G 65% /home 21:48 < huebi> only 106 gig 21:48 < tsa> sufficient 21:49 < tsa> 2x 18gb + 1x 13gb 21:49 < tsa> 3x 18gb soon. will get rid of damn 13gb IDE disk 21:49 < tsa> just need something else for my mp3 collection 21:49 < huebi> tsa: feel free for a Gigabit uplink 21:49 < tsa> hehe 21:50 < tsa> /dev/discs/disc0/part1 21:50 < tsa> 13G 12G 1.2G 90% /vol/multimedia/mp3 21:50 < huebi> tsa: Tahn you can have 1GB for backups 21:50 < tsa> hm....how to fit 13gb mp3z in 1gb of backup? 21:50 < huebi> tsa: I mean 1TB 21:51 < tsa> hehe 21:51 < tsa> ;) 21:53 < huebi> ok tsa. You can have Two Terabyte ;) 21:53 < tsa> ROTFL 21:53 < huebi> 3? 21:53 < tsa> i'll need a oc3 connection forst to fill up all the space.. 21:53 < tsa> first 21:54 < huebi> oc3? 21:54 < tsa> atm 155mbit 21:54 < rxr> capchaos: for stuff like gaim not much config is needed ... 21:54 < huebi> here in Darmstadt you can have 128GBit 21:54 < rxr> capchaos: take a look into package/x11/sawfish 21:54 < rxr> for example ;-) 21:55 < huebi> since 2 Years 21:55 < tsa> huebi: hehe....what do you have to do for that? 21:55 < capchaos> rxr: but you cant include every package one would need for himself ..? 21:55 < rxr> capchaos: hae? 21:55 < rxr> capchaos: sure we would include every package s.o. sends over 21:56 < capchaos> rxr: e.g. i want a gtk strip poker game (just a bad example) you woulds include it would you? *g* 21:56 < capchaos> *wouldnt 21:56 < tsa> capchaos: sure.. 21:56 < rxr> not in dRock - but in 1.7: yes 21:56 < huebi> You need good connections to Ron Sommer's Forschungs und Technologie Zentrum. It's something mysterious also visited by Bill Gates... 21:56 < tsa> hehe 21:57 < huebi> in 2000 they had the first 128GBit line to Giessen. 21:58 < huebi> on a single fibre line 21:59 < tsa> nice. 22:00 < huebi> tsa: Yes, it is. Only the wrong company owns it. ;> 22:01 < tsa> hehe 22:01 * huebi compiling egcs64 on the Ultra30... 22:06 < tsa> single or dual cpu system? 22:08 < huebi> tsa: dual ;> 1 UltraSparcii 300MHz / 2MB and 1 AMD K6-2/400 22:08 < huebi> no joke 22:08 < tsa> PCi 22:08 < huebi> exact 22:09 < tsa> you need a raid controller with strongARM risc cpu on it.. 22:09 < tsa> 3 cpu's ;) 22:09 < huebi> I got it for ~85 EUR 22:10 < tsa> hm...that's pretty cheap 22:10 < huebi> tsa: I have a i960... 22:10 < tsa> mylex? 22:10 < huebi> NO! Of course NOT! ICP-Vortex 22:10 < tsa> uh.. 22:11 < tsa> bad experience with icp vortex controllers and linux here.. 22:11 < huebi> what did happen? 22:11 < tsa> old firmware version which rebuilt a broken disk on one of the remaining working disk.. 22:12 < tsa> the problem is fixed in the meanwhile.. 22:12 < huebi> kool. Very moch fun. :-( 22:12 < tsa> sure. 22:12 < tsa> always good to have some extra backup.. 22:12 * rxr happy that the 1.7 tree now compiles more than 3 1/2 packages 22:13 < huebi> rxr: hehe 22:13 < tsa> rxr: cool. let's release it ;) 22:13 < rxr> tsa: ? 22:13 < rxr> huebi: 2 weeks ago 1.7 compiles nearly all non sf packages - only last week changes where alightly buggy ... 22:14 < huebi> tsa: I don't like RAID if it comes from Compaq or HP. They buy and sell junk disks. 22:16 < tsa> hehe 22:18 < huebi> tsa: use scsiinfo and have a look at the manufacturers defects list. 3000 to 7000 defect on a new 18GB disk! Normal are <100 22:18 < tsa> uh...this is really bad. 22:19 < huebi> 10 days ago, the eNTe department had 3 out of 5 disks broken in a RAID5 array. 22:20 < d3mian> who 22:20 < tsa> NT.. 22:20 < tsa> huebi: at least, they could blame microsoft for it.. ;) 22:21 < huebi> no they blame IBM 22:24 < tsa> hehe 22:32 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803247.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:33 < d3mian> hi chrismine 22:33 < chrisime> hiho 22:56 < huebi> https://dubinski-family.org/~jshowto/Files/photos/krups_front_view.jpg <- looks nice :-) 22:56 < huebi> https://www.idsa.org/whatis/seewhat/idea98/winners/javastation.htm <- and even nicer ... 22:57 < tsa> hehe 23:08 < tsa> Group: comp.sys.sun.hardware 23:08 < tsa> I 23:08 < tsa> >> personally hope that a stronger partnership is formed between SuSE and SUN. 23:08 < tsa> >> SuSE has all the flash and polish in there distros, and SUN has the code to 23:08 < tsa> >> make LINUX a better performer. 23:09 < tsa> oh gott - bitte keine SuSE OS.. 23:10 < huebi> IBM hat SuXe gekauft. Die machen nichts mit SUN. Sonst ist das Venture Kapital wieder wech... 23:10 < tsa> ich hoffe es mal ganz stark. 23:10 < tsa> an dem tag, an dem suse primaer-os fuer sun wird, ist meine u10 auf ebay.. 23:10 < huebi> man kann nie wissen... aber Rotkaeppchen ist sehr stark in USA 23:11 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss... 23:11 < tsa> setzen wir @work ein - mag ich auch nicht. 23:11 < huebi> tsa: das heisst SuXe ;-))) 23:11 < tsa> ack - ist notiert. 23:11 < huebi> hehe 23:12 < huebi> Rock 2.0 mit funktionirendem Update system wird nur sher schwer fuer den Produktionseinsatz zu schlabgen sein. 23:12 < tsa> ich hoffe es.. 23:13 < tsa> updates sind da doch schon irgendwie KO-kriterium.. 23:13 < tsa> performance haben wir ja schon ;) 23:13 < huebi> ( wo bleibt eigendlich das aspell plugin fuer irssi? ) ;-))) 23:13 < tsa> hehe 23:15 * tsa hofft ja immer noch, dass die packages fuer die maintainer verfuegbar bleiben und das nicht alles auf den platten von irgendwelchen tree-maintainern landet.. 23:16 < huebi> tsa: sf cvs sucks! und world ist am Sack. Mal abwarten was sich wann ergibt 23:16 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss. 23:17 -!- snyke [~snyke@194.174.14.16] has joined #rocklinux 23:17 < snyke> hi u 23:17 < tsa> ..und rene moechte offenbar unbedingt offline-trees mit write-zugriff nur fuer tree-maintainer.. 23:17 * d3mian counts how many times he has listened: sf cvs sucks! 23:17 < d3mian> hi snyke 23:18 < rxr> tsa: I promissed to add gnome-2 for some time now ... 23:18 < tsa> hi snyke 23:18 < snyke> hidiho@ll 23:18 < rxr> since we still want to include all gnome1 (for compatibility - and because much is not yet ready for gnome2) 23:19 < rxr> should i rename all old package (gtk glib ...) to $pkg1 23:19 < tsa> rxr: gnome 2.0.0 will probably be nearly unusable because of missing applications.. 23:19 < rxr> or the new ones to $pkg2 ? 23:19 < rxr> yes - this is why all old packages should be still in place .. 23:19 < tsa> rxr: better rename the old ones since the new versions will become the standard 23:19 < rxr> i think i add the new ones with the name +2 because otherwise the diffs bekome huge ... 23:20 < tsa> ok 23:20 < rxr> (and if we would use cvs I would die in endless remove add oprtations ...) 23:20 < tsa> ack - another repository with shell access would be nice. 23:21 < rxr> when we delete outdated packages in some month we can rename the packages back to the -2 less name ... 23:21 < rxr> tsa: shell acces? breaking the repository every week? :-( 23:21 < rxr> s/acces/access/ ... 23:22 < tsa> rxr: work on your local tree and commit changes. 23:22 < tsa> if you check in broken stuff, everything will break. 23:22 < rxr> cool a new IBM Linux / Unix commercial on TV ;-) 23:22 < tsa> which one is it? 23:23 < rxr> the basketball game ;-) 23:23 < tsa> da gibts zur zeit auch noch ne andere, beworbenes produkt ist backup-krams. 23:24 < tsa> da fallen irgendwelche leute um, ist auch ganz nett gemacht. 23:24 < rxr> egal hauptsache die zeigen Unix bzw. Linux moeglichst oft ;-) 23:37 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 23:37 < Mike1> Hi 23:47 < tsa> hi Mike1 23:49 < Mike1> tsa How are you today? 23:49 < tsa> fine. and you? 23:49 < huebi> good night. cu tomorrow. ;) 23:49 < tsa> cu huebi 23:50 < Mike1> n8 huebi 23:50 < Mike1> fine thanks tsa 23:57 < d3mian> hallo Mike1 23:57 < Mike1> Hola d3mian --- Log closed Sat May 11 00:00:41 2002