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--- Log opened Tue May 14 00:00:02 2002
--- Day changed Tue May 14 2002
00:00 < huebi> esden: binutils 2.12.90.0.4 compiles on sparc ;>>
00:00 < huebi> debuging via screenshot. kool!
00:01 < esden> haha
00:01 < rxr> esden: waere nen cooler ROCK screeshot ;-)
00:01 < esden> this is a problem with the tools that clifford wrote for rock ...
00:01 < esden> rxr: sicher !!!
00:02 < rxr> esden: soll ich den auf:
00:02 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock-screens.html
00:02 < rxr> packen ?
00:02 < huebi> rxr: JAAA!
00:04 < praenti> huebi: des is ja verdammt viel.
00:04 < praenti> wie ging gleich nochmal datei verschicken?
00:04 < praenti> im irc
00:04 < esden> https://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/desk_natalie.png
00:04 < huebi>  /dcc send huebi  oder so..
00:04 < esden> praenti: du daheim *wunder*
00:04 < rxr> Unexpected argument `\.
00:04 < rxr> '
00:04 < rxr> make: *** [drivers/char/joystick/amijoy.c.amijoy_init.+INDIRECT+.ps] Error 1
00:05 < rxr> :-(
00:05 < huebi> rxr: hmm
00:05 < tsa> aah..
00:05 < tsa> problem mit dbopen beseitigt
00:06 < rxr> esden: soll irgdend nen shot ovn denen nach drock-screens.html ?
00:06 < tsa> da hing wohl noch muell in /usr/lib/libgnome.so drin....gnome-libs neu gebaut und nun geht es..
00:06 < praenti> esden: nicht wundern. sie muss früh raus ich auch. also morgen... *grml*
00:06 < esden> nicht drock ... dass was ich habe ist ROCK ;-)
00:06 < esden> praenti: hmm asoo ... ok ... ;-)
00:06 < rxr> esden: dann hallt nicht ... :-)
00:07 < esden> ich schicke es dem clifford ;-) vielleicht macht er es zu den rock shots dazu
00:07 < rxr> esden: hehe
00:08 < rxr> esden: schick ihm lieber die URL sonnst hat er noch mail-box verstopfung ...
00:08 < praenti> huebi: jetzt bekommst meinen ldconfig output
00:09 < tsa> <Be-El> hmm..irgendwie hinterlaesst der rock-build mount-leichen
00:09 < tsa> hm....gibt's da schon nen ansatz fuer nen fix?
00:09 < rxr> tsa: welcher tree? unter welchen umstaenden ?
00:09 < huebi> tsa: Wenn du mit ctrl-C abbrichst, passiert das.
00:09 < tsa> rxr: 1.7
00:09 < praenti> huebi: und jetzt meine .cvsrc
00:10 < praenti> letzte zeile hab ich jetzt auskommentiert
00:10 < rxr> tsa: ah - das hatte ich gestern ausch schon moniert ...
00:10 < praenti> hoffe mal dass das hilft
00:10 < huebi> I got it?
00:10 < huebi> I got it!
00:11 < hackbard> esden: was sind das da rechts fuer monitore, sowas will ich auch! :)
00:11 < huebi> praenti: lass die cvs rc einfach mal weg. Ich hatte bis ebend auch keine.
00:12 < hackbard> esden: btw, grrrr .. wieso gibt es noch kein eterm ext wenn es bei dir rennt :p
00:12 < praenti> huebi: ok. das sind übrigens die settings die kde haben will
00:12 < esden> saa mail weg
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00:13 < huebi> praenti: hast du eine Datei /usr/lib/libpcre.so.0.0.1 ?
00:13 < esden> hackbard: dass ist gkrellm auf der rechten seite ... und ich habe einfach noch keine zeit gehabt mich um solche "kleinigkeiten" wie pakete zu kuemmern. ich bastel lieber an ports und/oder targets :P
00:14 < hackbard> just kidding :)
00:14 < hackbard> jo, ich hatte mal ein eterm ext angefangen, das wollte aber nicht compilen
00:14 * tsa schiebt esden 'ne glibc 1.0.0 unter..
00:15 * hackbard looking for gkrellm
00:15 < tsa> ;)
00:15 < esden> ich will bei dem clifford eigenes respository beantragen fuer meine+bilndcoder+praenti(?)+fake(?) pakete ... 
00:15 < praenti> huebi: jepp
00:15 -!- d3m|class is now known as d3mian
00:15 < d3mian> gkrellm, cool
00:15 < d3mian> hola
00:15 < esden> hi d3mian 
00:15 < esden> gkrellm rulez!!!
00:15 < d3mian> ;)
00:15 < huebi> praenti: hmm. keine Ahnung, was jetzt noch hilft.
00:16 < tsa> esden: ack - will bloss grad nicht compilen..
00:16 * -> esden fall in love in natalie *schnief*
00:16 < praenti> esden: das paket in 1.5 ist wieder aktuell. mal schauen obs compiled
00:17 < tsa> rxr: why does the evolution package bring it's own db-3 stuff?
00:18 < esden> I can not work with this wallpaper ... :-(
00:18 < rxr> because they links statically against it to have backward and future compatibility ...
00:19 < tsa> == 00:19:47 =[9]=> Building extra1/evolution [1.0.3 1.7.0-DEV-200205112119].
00:19 < tsa> ok, let's see what happens..
00:21 < esden> hmm Build-Tools is fixed on glibc >_<
00:25 < d3mian> arrggg, i cant believe it, i guess ill leave my University :)
00:26 < esden> d3mian: why ?
00:26 < d3mian> can u guess how much was my grade in a final test some days ago?
00:27 < d3mian> it's a round number
00:27 < d3mian> :)
00:27 < esden> 10 ? 0?
00:28 < esden> I do not know your grade system ...
00:28 < d3mian> a big 0
00:29 < esden> i suppose that it is not good ...
00:29 < d3mian> :i guess the same ;)
00:29 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.2.134] has joined #rocklinux
00:30 < d3mian> ill need to dedicate more time for java and leave linux wrld behind for a while
00:32 < d3mian> well, i have to continue wrking..
00:32 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|wrk
00:32 < esden> good luck d3m|wrk 
00:32 < huebi> d3m|wrk: Have Fun and ease with learning :-)
00:33 < d3m|wrk> thnx
00:33 < esden> Downloading download/base/gcc3/gcc-3.1-20020508.tar.bz2 ...
00:33 < esden> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0.000 seconds (0.000 bytes/sec).
00:33 < esden> curl: (19) gcc-3.1-20020508.tar.bz2: No such file or directory.
00:33 < esden> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 19. Please read the curl manpage.
00:33 < esden> hmm not good ...
00:33 < tsa> mirror or master download site?
00:33 < huebi> d3m|wrk: Just do the right thing in the right time (easier spoken than done)
00:33 < esden> tsa: master ... it is not yet on the mirrors ;-)
00:34 < tsa> esden: hm....
00:34 < tsa> huebi: machst du nen paar pruefungen fuer mich?
00:34 < d3m|wrk> ill have that in my brain huebi , thnx
00:34 < tsa> ;)
00:34 < huebi> tsa: Better not. I'm good in my job, not in exams.
00:34 < praenti> so. i continue my work tomorrow. cya
00:35 < huebi> cu praenti 
00:35 < rxr> jm the -aa kernel sucks - my sysmtem is getting crazzy, each vt switch takes longer (in the multi seconds range ...)
00:35 < esden> cu praenti 
00:35 < tsa> huebi: /me too...that's the problem..
00:35 < rxr> cu
00:35 -!- praenti is now known as praenti|sleep
00:36 < esden> mhhh mplayer got updated in 1.7 ... cool !!!
00:36 < esden> at least ;-)
00:42 * tsa still compiling evolution..
00:47 < huebi> STAGE 2: Creating PostScript...
00:47 < tsa> huebi: hm?
00:47 < tsa> why .ps?
00:47 < esden> schrott ... !!!
00:47 < huebi> tsa: The Kernel Source Poster ;-)
00:47 < tsa> huebi: argh...
00:47 < esden> ich kriege den faehler nie raus ...
00:48 < huebi> esden: Kidnappe fefe und lass ihn erst frei wenn er alles fertig gemacht hat.
00:49 < esden> huebi: ich werde dass echt machen muessen ...
00:49 < esden> ich floode den mit bugreports und feature requests
00:49 < huebi> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/util-linux-2.11r.tar.bz2 <- neu
00:49 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ evolution
00:49 < tsa> warning: failed to load external entity "/home/tsa/evolution/shortcuts.xml"
00:50 < tsa> ..und sig11
00:50 < tsa> problem bekannt?
00:50 < esden> hmm gleich mal updaten ...
00:50 < huebi> esden: Via snail mail. Wenn der 2 Laster Papier jeden Tag in den Briefkasten gestopft bekommt, gibt der ganz schnell auf.
00:51 < esden> jupp ;-)
00:52 < esden> und ich bin danach pleite ;-)
00:52 < huebi> esden: Noch nie Postspoofing gemacht? ;-))
00:52 < huebi> fefe schreibt sich selbst! Viel bessr
00:53 < tsa> hehe
00:54 < huebi> und er muss es auch noch selbst bezahlen... welche Qual ;-))
00:54 < huebi> fefe, Code schneller! sagt er dann zu sich selbst.
00:55 < esden> rofl
00:55 < huebi> *fg*
00:56 < esden> huebi: mein mentor ... du hast wie immer recht ... ich werde deinen rat verfolgen 
00:56 < esden> ;-)
00:56 < huebi> *lol*
00:56 < tsa> rxr: awake?
00:57 < esden> soo razifazi upgedated ...
00:57 < rxr> tsa: jups
00:58 < tsa> make[1]: Leaving directory `/vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/src.gkrellm.10213
00:58 < tsa> 30454.31197.985402001/gkrellm-1.2.9/src'
00:58 < tsa> cp: cannot stat `/vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/package/sourceforge/gkrellm/
00:58 < tsa> gkrellm.desktop': No such file or directory
00:58 < tsa> gkrellm ist immer noch kaputt.
00:58 < rxr> tsa: evlolution tut in dRock und tat in 1.7 
00:58 < tsa> cp $confdir/gkrellm.desktop $root/usr/share/gnome/apps/System <-- das da passt nicht
00:59 < rxr> wenn mein gnome2 mit gnome1 comp fertig ist teste ich mal ...
00:59 < tsa> ok
00:59 < rxr> tsa: ja das ding ist eh ungluecklich - ich wollte es schon entfernen -> und werde es jetzt tun ...
00:59 < huebi> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery/tsa.jpg <- viiel schoener ;-)
01:00 < tsa> ;)
01:00 < tsa> rxr: hm? willst du das package entfernen oder das "cp"?
01:00 < rxr> tas cp ...
01:00 < tsa> ah....ich dachte schon..
01:00 < esden> ja unser vorzeige rocklinux developer ... die anderen kann man nicht vorzeigen ;-)
01:00 < esden> @ huebi 
01:00 < rxr> gnome ist bald eh nich mehr an der stelle - dann muesste man gnome.conf includen ...
01:00 < tsa> ???
01:01 < tsa> btw...warum die trennung gkrellm / gkrellm-plugins?
01:01 < esden> irt meine die anderen kann man nicht herzeigen ;-)
01:01 < tsa> ich haette das in ein gemeinssames pkg gepackt..
01:01 < rxr> weil wir in base auch nicht sollte alles zumsammen-klump packete haben ...
01:02 < esden> tsa: nicht alle wollen vorgebaute gkrellm plugins haben
01:02 < rxr> z.b. wenn man das nicht haben will - und die scripte updates sind auch sauberer ..
01:02 < tsa> hm..ok
01:02 < tsa> btw....gkrellm-plugins ist auch broken
01:02 < tsa> `/vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/download/sourceforge/gkrellm-plugins/eMac.ta
01:02 < tsa> r.bz2' -> `/usr/share/gkrellm/themes'
01:02 < tsa> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/gkrellm/themes': No such file or dire
01:02 < tsa> ctory
01:03 < rxr> tsa: oder fix du das doch ;-)
01:04 < esden> soo nachtele jungs
01:05 < huebi> nacht esden
01:07 < ringo78> nacht esden
01:11 < tsa> rxr: ist in arbeit.
01:11 < huebi> so. Util-linux scheint jetzt auch unter Sparc zu kompilieren..
01:11 < huebi> == 01:11:56 05/14/02 =[1]=> Finished building package util-linux.
01:11 < huebi> *freu*
01:11 < huebi> Stage 1 komplett!!!!
01:12 < hackbard> cool, gutes gelingen noch! n8
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01:12 < huebi> n8 hackbard 
01:17 < rxr> huebi: can i download the kernel-poster.ps somewhere ?
01:17 < tsa> rxr: i've just committet a new gkrellm-plugins.conf to sf cvs.
01:17 < rxr> ;-)
01:17 < tsa> rxr: but gkrellmms is still broken - needs some fixing from somebody who knows c/c++ ..
01:17 < tsa> gkrellmms.c: In function `create_gkrellmms':
01:17 < tsa> gkrellmms.c:694: structure has no member named `top_margin'
01:17 < tsa> gkrellmms.c:696: structure has no member named `bottom_margin'
01:17 < tsa> make: *** [gkrellmms.o] Error 1
01:18 < tsa> at least the other plugins now get installed.
01:19 < huebi> rxr: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/lgp-kernel2.4.9-a0.ps.bz2
01:19 < rxr> tnx
01:19 < tsa> huebi: you should tell him about the size..
01:20 < rxr> tsa: who cares about size ?
01:20 < huebi> tsa: 6MB ;-)
01:20 < rxr> oh tiny ;-)
01:20 < tsa> rxr: you will...when uncompressing..
01:20 < huebi> rxr: bzip2 is your friend.
01:20 < rxr> tsa: i guess not handleable with gv ?
01:21 < tsa> rxr: probably not...
01:21 < rxr> hm 364 patches to sync between cliff and me - sigh ...
01:22 < huebi> rxr 2.4.0 needed 181m37.388s
01:22 < huebi> only TMPFILE was fixed.
01:22 < huebi> 23649258 May 14 01:20 lgp-kernel2.4.9-a0.ps
01:22 < rxr> huebi: hehe
01:23 < huebi> xinerama is koooool
01:23 < huebi> gv works
01:23 < tsa> huebi: hm...this is pretty small..
01:24 < tsa> a friend of mine made a .ps more than 100mb with this..
01:26 < huebi> koool! great! fantastic!
01:26 < huebi> Now I need Windows XP code ;-))
01:26 < huebi> hehe
01:28 < tsa> hehe
01:31 * rxr rebooting cu in a minute
01:34 < rxr> re
01:40 < huebi> re rxr 
01:40 < rxr> huebi: the fonts are rather tiny in the kernel.ps ... ?
01:40 < huebi> 36MB Poster of 2.4.0
01:41 < rxr> huebi: ?
01:41 < huebi> rxr: Yes the are. I think I need A0 3x3 hehe
01:42 < huebi> rxr: Here the script worked with 2.4.0
01:42 < rxr> gv scrolls the beast quite fast - I'm impressed ...
01:42 < huebi> rxr: Onle TMPFILE was changed as you said.
01:42 < rxr> ;-)
01:42 < huebi> I added some paper sizes.
01:43 < rxr> huebi: what was the original URL you posted last evening ?
01:43 < huebi> oem.  forgot
01:43 < rxr> https://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/linux-poster.jpg
01:43 < rxr> got it myself ;-)
01:44 < rxr> in the selled version the fonts are bigger
01:44 < huebi> rxr:  $29.99  is too much!
01:44 < rxr> and the rectangles are rotated -> looks better ...
01:45 < rxr> huebi: sure ;-)! And it is not the latest kernel ...
01:45 < rxr> huebi: But we have the source we can modify the scrpts ....
01:47 < rxr> I'll let it crunch on a vanilla 2.4.18 this night ..
01:47 < huebi> I take a 2.4.18-rc4
01:51 < rxr> ha - ich nehm jetzt 2.4.18-rock ;-)
01:52 < huebi> :-)
01:53 < rxr> so und nen 1.7-latest+gnome2 laeuft jetzt auch von vorne ;-)
01:53 < rxr> meine box ist erstmal busy *g*
01:55 < huebi> Die U30 auch. kein Package failed.
01:57 < rxr> huebi: gute Nacht ;-)!
01:57 < huebi> gute nacht rxr 
02:02 < ringo78> perl = cool
02:09 < tsa> n8
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02:11 * huebi started lgp-2.4.18-rc4-rock
02:21 < th> war smp mal wieder lebendig?
02:23 < th> huebi: sag mal, da sind so einige extensions wieder auf nem alten stand, oder?
02:26 < huebi> th: ich weiss nicht.
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02:27 < huebi> th: kannst du das in Ordnung bringen?
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02:28 < th> huebi: ich hab ja nicht wirklich alle versionen fuerchte ich
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02:29 < huebi> th: Du kannstim webcvs dir ganz einfach die Aenderungen anschauen...
02:30 < th> huebi: was ist ueberhaupt passiert?
02:30 < th> das ist kein webcvs problem denke ich
02:30 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/ext-config/ace/ace.ext.diff?r1=text&tr1=1.1&r2=text&tr2=1.2&f=h
02:30 < th> im cvs sind alte versionen!
02:31 < huebi> Ich glaube beim ci haben die anderen vorher kein cvs up gemacht.
02:31 < huebi> dann passiert so ein muell
02:31 < th> ci?
02:31 < th> meinst du commit?
02:31 < huebi> th exact.
02:32 < th> nein da passiert sowas nicht
02:32 < th> da kommt dann ein up-to-date-check failed
02:32 < huebi> hmmm. Keine Ahnung.
02:33 < th> hast du direkt dateien im cvsroot geaendert?
02:33 < th> die alten versionen sind nicht durch cvs-befehle aufgetaucht
02:34 < huebi> nee, nur Dateiattribute. chmod +x
02:34 < th> komisch
02:35 < th> selbst mein irssi is jetz auf nem alten stand
02:35 < th> s,irssi,irssi-snapshot,
02:37 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/ext-config/irssi/irssi.ext?rev=1.4&content-type=text/plain < -0.8.4
02:38 < huebi> hmmm
02:38 < th> nich irssi
02:38 < th> sondern irssi-ext
02:38 < th> da steht nen absoluter pfad mit version drin
02:39 < th> das war vor ein paar monaten als der cvs-snapshot noch so hiess
02:39 < th> naja
02:39 < th> muessen wir schritt fuer schritt wieder sortieren
02:39 < th> was mich stoert ist, dass wir keine extensions in stable form haben
02:40 < huebi> meinst du einen stable ext tree?
02:40 < th> jo
02:41 < th> im prinzip laesst sich das sehr gut ueber cvs tags machen
02:41 < th> aber dazu gehoert dann natuerlich ein ext-archive mirror
02:41 < huebi> tag -b mache ich sehr haeufig.
02:41 < huebi> der mirror ist auf world
02:42 < huebi> nutzt gerade nicht viel
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02:43 < th> ein ext-archive mirror?
02:43 < th> selbst netscape scheint nicht zu funktionieren
02:44 < huebi> th exact
02:46 < huebi> world ist immer noch als master mirror fuer rock-1.6 gedacht.
02:47 < th> so netscape ist gefixed
02:47 < huebi> th: super!
02:54 < th> hmmmm
02:54 < th> mein Build-Index baut nur einen index ueber ext-files
02:54 < th> dadurch kommt der netscape-wrapper.patch nich mit
02:56 < th> ich koennte das auf *.ext und *.patch erweitern
02:56 < huebi> th wenn es geht ;-)
02:57 < th> gehen schon. is bloss die frage ob dann nicht noch *.foo und *.bar fehlt
02:57 < huebi> ;-))
02:58 < th> ich geh dann ersma pennen
02:58 < th> es kann ja nur besser werden ;
02:58 < th> )
02:58 < huebi> n8 th
02:58 < th> wie ging ein oder im find?
02:59 < huebi> hae? 
02:59 < th> find -name *.ext ODER -name *.patch
02:59 * huebi macht einen neuen branch tag
03:00 < th> hmmmm -or...
03:00 < huebi> weiss nicht. bin zu muede.
03:00 < th> warte ma
03:00 < th> nimm ma meine aenderung noch mit
03:00 < huebi> welche?
03:00 < th> -or -name -patch
03:00 < th> in Build-Index
03:00 < huebi> netzkappe ist mit drinn
03:00 < th> done
03:01 < huebi> ok
03:01 < th> netscape laeuft noch nich
03:01 < th> mom
03:01 < th> liegt am index
03:01 < th> ich baue neu
03:01 < th> mompl
03:01 < huebi> ok
03:02 < huebi> only ltrace failed so far in sparc.
03:03 < th> index is ok now
03:03 < th> don't know if it works
03:04 < th> testing...
03:04 < th> works
03:04 < th> do the tagging NOW ;)
03:05 < huebi> tag runs
03:06 < th> tell me if finished
03:07 < th> wanne commit irssi-fix
03:07 < huebi> faertich!
03:07 < huebi> #
03:14 < th> irssi-snapshot fixed.
03:14 < huebi> ok
03:16 < th> opera buggt auch
03:16 < th> grummel grummel
03:16 < th> der will nen gz is aber nen bz2
03:17 < th> sollte schnell gefixed sein...
03:19 < th> done
03:19 < th> huebi: uebernimmst du dann das ext-archive mirroren auf world?
03:20 < huebi> th Jo.
03:20 < huebi> auf world is scho fast alles. bis auf die neueren Sachen. Die habe ich alle hier.
03:20 < th> gibts mich da schon, account-technisch?
03:21 < huebi> noch nict, laesst sich aber machen.
03:22 < huebi> Ich habe alles unter: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/
03:23 < huebi> wenn was neues kommt, kopiere ich das dann einfach pauschal alles da rein.
03:24 < huebi> egcs64 is fixed.
03:25 < th> was is eigentlich mit dem darmstadt mirror?
03:26 < huebi> der soll von world mirrorn.
03:26 < th> ahja
03:26 < th> ok
03:27 < huebi> th: Aber wir koennen auch erst mal einen anderen mirror nehmen.
03:27 < th> noe es eilt nicht ;)
03:27 < th> VORHIN hatte ich es eilig
03:28 < th> huebi: hast du grad deinen 24h disconnect?
03:29 < th> noe
03:29 < th> irgendwas hing eben
03:29 < th> egal
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03:32 < th> hehe
03:32 < th> 03:28:20 < th> huebi: hast du grad deinen 24h disconnect?
03:32 < th> 03:28:20 < th> huebi: hast du grad deinen 24h disconnect?
03:32 < th> 03:29:41 < th> irgendwas hing eben
03:33 < huebi_> 03:27 < huebi> th: Aber wir koennen auch erst mal einen anderen mirror nehmen.
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03:33 < th> 03:27:25 < th> noe es eilt nicht ;)
03:33 < th> 03:27:37 < th> VORHIN hatte ich es eilig
03:35 < th> mit einer dicken leitung finde ich es immer laestig, dass die wgets im Download nicht parallelisiert werden
03:37 < th> so
03:37 < th> ich wollte doch vorhin schon ins bett
03:37 < th> n8 jetz
03:37 < th> bis morgen
03:37 < th> *detach*
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03:39 < huebi__> scheiss telekom
03:39 < huebi__> Connect time 6.2 minutes.
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03:45 < huebi__> th: n8
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08:14 < huebi> moin
08:19 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ll *err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1328 May 14 03:31 2-ltrace.err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1083 May 14 05:58 3-ash.err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root       630138 May 14 03:50 3-linux.err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3424 May 14 04:00 3-modules.err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        15524 May 14 08:00 3-mtools.err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          343 May 14 05:01 3-openssl.err
08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        30613 May 14 05:07 3-python.err
08:19 < huebi> so far so good ;-)
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08:21 < zUnE> good morning
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08:24 < zUnE> k, one more time.. good morning.  oh well i know everybuddy hackz at nighttime
08:24 < zUnE> :)
08:26 < huebi> hi zUnE 
08:27 < zUnE> all well?
08:27 < huebi> The UltraSparc port is not so far from the finish.
08:27 < huebi> zUnE: yes, tired but very well.
08:28 < zUnE> thats nize
08:29 < zUnE> gotta check that changelog, i'll bet there is a lot in it
08:43 < huebi> * new Changelog in progress
08:43 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog
08:47 < huebi> bbl
08:50 < zUnE> yeah
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08:52 < tsa> moin.
08:53 < zUnE> good morning
08:53 < tsa> hello zUnE
09:04 < rxr> re
09:07 < tsa> hi rxr
09:09 < rxr> again a "Final GCC 3.1 Prerelease"
09:09 < rxr> gcc-3.1-20020510.tar.bz2
09:10 < rxr> moin tsa ;-)
09:10 < zUnE> i just started a 1.7.0 build,  does it build with gcc3.1 as the default compiler ?
09:11 < zUnE> oh well, we'll see
09:11 < zUnE> ;)
09:15 < rxr> zUnE: mostly - only a few (C++) packages fail. cdrdao and some other minor fluff ...
09:16 < rxr> zUnE: I'll provide patches to make these failing packages ANSI-C++ conform in the next time
09:16 < rxr> (after finally soring the gnome2 stuff ...)
09:16 < zUnE> nice
09:17 < zUnE> how far away is gnome2?
09:17 < rxr> zUnE: I'm not really a gnome fan - so your can not expect that positive statements from me ...
09:18 < rxr> the ROCK-1.7 packages will compile at the end of today (I hope)
09:18 < rxr> They want to have the final version in June or July ...
09:19 < zUnE> i edited it to use gcc3.1-20020510,  and set it expert options to use gcc 3.1 only.    mistake?
09:20 < rxr> zUnE: why should this be a mistake ?
09:21 < zUnE> dunno, i thougth at first maybe there was a purpose to have gcc2 as default C compiler
09:22 < rxr> zUnE: no it is only Cliff's default ... - for working packages you should can use gcc3 for C and gcc2 for C++ (since some packages are still not ansi-c++ conform ...)
09:23 < rxr> but when you do not care about broken cdrdao, you can ue the gcc3 for all ...
09:23 < rxr> I do, too.
09:24 < zUnE> cdrecord is enough for now,  cdrdao.  disc at once, most useful for audio recordingi guess
09:25 < tsa> yes....and for copying windoze warez stuff...most of this comes as .bin/.cue in these days..
09:26 < zUnE> and what would i need that for?   ;)
09:26 < tsa> i have no idea....i don't have windows.
09:26 * rxr wonders that .bin/.cue is about ...
09:27 < rxr> s/that/what/
09:27 < tsa> rxr: just another proprietary format..
09:27 < tsa> i don't know whats so special about it..
09:29 < th> moin
09:30 < tsa> moin th
09:30 < rxr> hi th
09:31 < th> praenti's mail?
09:31 < th> @rocklinux.org?
09:33 < tsa> should be at the gallery..
09:34 < th> ok
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09:45 < zUnE> k.. compile of gcc3 failed. is that normal?
09:45 < zUnE> ;)
09:47 < rxr> surprise: no - it just finished here ...
09:47 < rxr> which ROCK snap do you use ?
09:47 < zUnE> ran Update-Src so i presume its the latest
09:47 < rxr> erm zUnE is what i wanted to say ...
09:47 < rxr> zUnE: what is the error ?
09:49 < rxr> (me wonders that my gcc3 has not yet finished - /me seems to be too tired ... :-(
09:49 < zUnE> tmp/ccl3fh7e.s:6944: Warning: Unrecognized .section attribute: want a,w,x
09:49 < zUnE> /tmp/ccl3fh7e.s:6944: Warning: Unrecognized .section attribute: want a,w,x
09:49 < zUnE> /tmp/ccl3fh7e.s:6944: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `,'.
09:49 < zUnE> make[2]: *** [libgcc/./_muldi3.o] Error 1
09:49 < zUnE> make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-sources/src.gcc3.1021362137.14200.3717219154/gcc-3.1-20020510/objdir/gcc'
09:49 < zUnE> make[1]: *** [libgcc.a] Error 2
09:49 < zUnE> make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-sources/src.gcc3.1021362137.14200.3717219154/gcc-3.1-20020510/objdir/gcc'
09:49 < zUnE> make: *** [cross] Error 2
09:50 < rxr> zUnE: which distribution do you use to compile on? a broken gcc-2.96 frlom RedHat ?
09:50 < zUnE> urm, no.  a plain 2.95.3
09:50 < zUnE> i run a distro called Sorcerer Linux
09:51 < rxr> ah this doesn't sound too bad ;-)
09:52 < zUnE> in what wway?
09:52 < rxr> that is not a completely broken RedHat one ;-)
09:52 < rxr> I can tell you if it should compile in some minutes ...
09:55 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/source-1.7/
09:55 < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source-1.7/
09:55 < rxr> is my 1.7 working tree ... - could you copy package/base/gcc{2,3} and runn a diff -u on the files you use ?
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10:08 < rxr> gcc3 still compiling here ...
10:13 < zUnE> k, did a diff -u -r mine yours > gcc2-3.patch
10:14 < zUnE> what now  :)
10:14 < tsa> rm gcc2-3.patch ;-)
10:14 < rxr> is there a bigger difference ? except the checksum ?
10:19 < rxr> what joke is this:
10:19 < rxr> https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000647FK/qid=1021364335/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_67_2/102-5450615-6903356
10:20 < zUnE> yes gcc2 files are different
10:20 < zUnE> especially gcc2.conf
10:21 < zUnE> and the protector patch
10:21 < rxr> zUnE: the gc2.conf is also used for gcc3 ...
10:21 < zUnE> i noticed
10:21 < rxr> cool we on the top three salt producers ;-) but I need a book about gcc in general - not a 240$ fluff about salt ...
10:22 < zUnE> i'll use your then
10:22 < rxr> zUnE: mom
10:22 < zUnE> what salt?  and what mom?
10:22 < zUnE> you make no zenze
10:22 < zUnE> :)
10:22 < rxr> mine is the ROCK yesterdays one - I just run a diff to see what cliff changed ...
10:22 < rxr> mom -> moment
10:23 < rxr> the salt is about the amazon URL above ... ;-)
10:24 < rxr> zUnE: there is not difference between my and cliffs version
10:24 < rxr> zUnE: are you really using the latest 1.7 tree snapshot =
10:24 < rxr> ?
10:25 < rxr> "./scripts/Update-Src -all" -> to rsync the latest source ..
10:29 < rxr> 240$ for 11 pages of a stupid salt report in PDF form?!? I'm still puzzled ...
10:29 * rxr shortly away
10:30 < zUnE> hmm, did a new rsync now and it still is different
10:30 < tsa> rdiff? ;-)
10:31 < tsa> interesting idea for a new program..
10:31 < zUnE> rdiff what?
10:32 < tsa> a program "rdiff" instead of rsync...sounds interesting...
10:32 < tsa> and it's perfect for fucking things up..
10:32 < tsa> ;)
10:32 < tsa> just another stupid idea ;)
10:33 < zUnE> better than none
10:33 < tsa> hehe
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10:42 < zUnE> same error with rxr's filez,  must be on my end
10:42 < tsa> hi anders_
10:42 < anders_> mrrrning all
10:42 < anders_> tsa: hullo.. :)
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10:47 < bluefire> Moin
10:50 < rxr> zUnE: i'm back - my gcc3 has still not finished (a keernel map (poster) generation is running here, too ...)
10:54 < zUnE> ok,  im trying a i686 build.  the one i ran was k7 , wich has mcpu ,march = k6 how come?  is that optimal?
10:56 < rxr> zUnE: yes - the gcc2 has no athlon optimizations ...
10:57 < rxr> zUnE: so gcc3 finished here ...
10:57 < zUnE> yeah, but isnt more common to use i686,  i mean i you specify athlon in the kernel it optimise with i686 i think
10:58 < zUnE> good spelling today..
10:58 < rxr> zUnE: we have a autobench tools - maybe it found out k6 is faster
10:59 < rxr> we should verify this ...
10:59 < rxr> == 09:26:11 =[1]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.1-20020510 1.7.0-DEV-200205131848].
10:59 < rxr> Reading package configuration from gcc3.conf.
10:59 < rxr> Preparing build in /rock-linux/rock-1.7/src.gcc3.1021361166.9132.1880275825
10:59 < rxr> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-gcc3.out
10:59 < rxr> $root/var/adm/logs/1-gcc3.out -> 1-gcc3.log
10:59 < rxr> == 05/14/02 09:32:00 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc3.
11:00 < rxr> == 07:46:14 =[2]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.1-20020510 1.7.0-DEV-200205131848].
11:00 < rxr> Reading package configuration from gcc3.conf.
11:00 < rxr> Preparing build in /R.work/src.gcc3.1021362373.1754.3042193956
11:00 < rxr> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/2-gcc3.out
11:00 < rxr> $root/var/adm/logs/2-gcc3.out -> 2-gcc3.log
11:00 < rxr> == 05/14/02 08:51:30 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc3.
11:00 < rxr> ah! so i did not missreport the first one ;-)
11:00 < rxr> it already finished two times ... ;-)
11:01 < rxr> although something is wrong with my clock ...
11:01 < zUnE> backwardz
11:01 < zUnE> or what?
11:02 < rxr> no i restarted ntpd in between maybe my hardware clock is screwed ...
11:02 < zUnE> i.c
11:04 < rxr> hm no only -4 second drift ... - maybe a bug of ntpd during the initial sync ...
11:13 < huebi> re
11:13 < huebi> moin
11:14 < rxr> hi huebi 
11:14 < huebi> hi rxr 
11:15 < huebi> The poster of 2.4.18-rc4-rock went fine in 173min
11:16 < rxr> huebi: mine is still running - it failed because i removed image/* - but the dir arch was not created automatically ... :-(
11:17 < rxr> huebi: do you have already your text for the rolling rock? (I must write mine this afternoon / night ...)
11:19 < huebi> rxr: No, I havn't. I just started to work ;-)
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11:19 < rxr> I leave to the FH in e few minutes ...
11:20 * huebi is searching a A0 colour plotter
11:20 < rxr> ;-)
11:22 < rxr> cu
11:23 < huebi> cu rxr 
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11:26 < zUnE> nope it just fails ;)
11:27 < zUnE> i'll go for the coffee instead
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11:37 < tsa> hehe....3 stueck buerovolk mailen sich gegenseitig mit outlook zu. da das ding absolut nicht quoten kann, weiss keiner mehr, wer was geschrieben hat..
11:38 < huebi> tsa: hehe. koole sache.
11:38 < tsa> jupp..
11:38 < huebi> Hauen die sich jetzt bald? ;-))
11:39 < tsa> noe....bisher noch nicht....aber es ist recht lustig.
11:39 < tsa> outlook benutzt offenbar ueberhaupt keine art von quote-zeichen...
11:39 < tsa> der text geht direkt ineinander ueber -> es sieht alles aus wie eine mail.
11:40 < huebi> tsa: Deshalb bin ich auch recht ruhig auf der Mailing liste. Da brauche ich immer so ca 10min, bis die Mail fertig ist.
11:40 < tsa> huebi: hehe...was nutzt du das ding auch?
11:40 < tsa> policy?
11:41 < huebi> tsa: Der Kunde hat gesagt, das wird genommen. Dann mache ich das halt. Wird ja schliesslich gut bezahlt.
11:41 < tsa> hehe..
11:42 < huebi> * Scheiiss Backup. Wenn man nicht alles selber baut...
11:42 < tsa> ACK.
11:42 < tsa> hast du lust, nen sybase-backup aufzusetzen? damit schlag ich mich grad rum..
11:44 < huebi> tsa: Habe ich noch nie gemacht. Oracle kenn' ich da so ein wenig. Ich persoenlich bevorzuge da Exports, die sich dann immer wieder in die Datenbank einlesen lassen.
11:44 < tsa> huebi: die sybase ist richtig uebel..
11:44 < huebi> Betriebssystemunabhaengig.
11:44 < tsa> laeuft ausschliesslich mit kernel 2.2.19 und glibc 2.1.3
11:44 < tsa> legt das dump-file ins eigene bin/-verzeichnis
11:44 < tsa> das dumbfile heisst " "
11:45 < tsa> naja, und dann ist da noch die 2gb filesize-grenze des 2.2.19 kernels..
11:45 < huebi> Oracle relinkt zwar, aber man braucht nur ein paar neue links in /usr/lib
11:46 < huebi> und die libdb.s0.3 von der 2.1.3 fuer den mitgebrachten Apache.
11:46 < tsa> auch nett..
11:46 < huebi> Wer ist denn auf dei Idee gekommen sybase zu nehmen?
11:46 < tsa> ist ne kundenkiste...die wollten das unbedingt..
11:48 < huebi> tsa: Dan erklaere ihnen mal was sie da genau wollen. Und frag sie, ob ins Knie schiessen nich einfacher, billiger und zuverlaessiger ist. ;-)))
11:48 < tsa> hehe...
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11:58 < esden> hi all
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12:04 < esden> test ...
12:05 [ctcp(#rocklinux)] PING 1021370702 925049
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12:12 < huebi> hi esden 
12:12 < esden> ohh someone awake ... coool ;-)
12:13 < esden> I have finally found a bug that I could backtrack in the dietlibc *happy*
12:20 < anders_> re
12:21 * anders_ is happy also, just ordered a ZyXEL ADSL Router..
12:21 -!- clifford [~clifford@M109P021.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
12:21 < anders_> about ¤300, but it is a DSL<->Ethernet router...
12:22 * anders_ is planning ahead for the arrival of Phoneline and ADSL..
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12:26 < huebi> anders_: How fast will your ADSL be?
12:26 < huebi> anders_: And what does it cost?
12:28 < anders_> about ¤45/month for 512Kbit downstream and 256Kbit upstream
12:29 -!- capaway is now known as capchaos
12:29 < huebi> Not very cheap ;(
12:29 < anders_> you get a segment of 8 ip-addresses..
12:30 < huebi> 8 IP's is good.
12:31 < tsa> static IP addresses are good..
12:46 -!- praenti|1leep is now known as praenti
12:46 < praenti> hi
12:46 < huebi> hi praenti 
12:46 < praenti> huebi: i already getting the same compile errors.
12:46 < praenti> huebi: still desnt find the mount points
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12:52 < esden> hahaha I fixed the ******* bug in dietlibc !!! *jump*
12:54 < tsa> esden: hehe..
12:54 < tsa> esden: how many new ones did you add instead?
12:56 * tsa awaiting pizza delivery..
12:56 < tsa> <- hungry
13:01 < esden> cu all
13:02 < tsa> cu esden
13:02 < praenti> huebi: i think i have found the problem.
13:02 < praenti> when i do the same as Build-All do manually
13:02 < praenti> Build-Stage 2 says that no architecture configured
13:03 < praenti> if i start the Config in the chroot-environment i get the libpcre error
13:03 < praenti> but now i must back to the FH. cya later
13:03 < tsa> cu praenti
13:04 < tsa> hm..strange
13:04 < tsa> what package does libpcre.so belong to?
13:04 < tsa> ...and why doesn't my pizza arrive?
13:06 < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg pizza
13:07 < huebi> cu praenti 
13:07 < tsa> huebi: do you know where libpcre.so belongs to?
13:08 < tsa> (currently no rocklinux around me to look..)
13:11 < huebi> libpcre is a separate lib for POSIX compatible Reg EX in Perl 
13:12 < huebi> needed for KDE
13:12 < tsa> kde...
13:13 < tsa> *seufz*
13:13 * huebi building glibc-2.1.3 for Oracle 8.1.7
13:15 < tsa> havre fun..
13:15 < tsa> -r
13:21 < tsa> aaaah! es geht aufwaerts, futter ist da.
13:25 < praenti> re
13:25 < tsa> re praenti
13:26 < praenti> tsa: das zeugs hatten wir noch nie in stage 1 gebraucht. deshalb is ja so seltsam
13:30 < tsa> jupp, ist irgendwie schon komisch..
13:36 < praenti> ok. in der chroot is keine ld.so.conf
13:47 < praenti> huebi: fehler jetzt ausgemacht. irgendwie wandert unsere Config nicht ins chroot
13:49 < praenti> huebi: build läuft jetzt im stage 2
13:56 < huebi> re. Boah. Besprechungen sind ganz schoen anstrengend, wenn sie kurz und effektiv sind.
14:02 < tsa> hehe.
14:02 < huebi> 1/2h und Arbeit bis Dienstag.
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14:04 < tsa> war Dienstag nicht heute? *wunder*
14:04 < huebi> tsa: ;-) Bis naechsten Dienstag.
14:05 < tsa> huebi: achsoo..
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14:07 < huebi> == 14:07:58 =[5]=> Building base package rock-debug [1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06
14:07 < tsa> hi surprise
14:07 < huebi> YES!
14:07 < huebi> hi surprise 
14:07 < tsa> huebi: auf welcher Platform baust du denn grade? 
14:07 < tsa> sparc?
14:07 < huebi> sparc
14:07 < huebi> sparc64!
14:08 < tsa> 32/64?
14:08 < tsa> ah.
14:08 < tsa> ok
14:08 < tsa> fein.
14:08 < tsa> Stage 5???
14:08 < tsa> cool.
14:08 < huebi> ohne Stage 5
14:08 < tsa>  =[5]=>
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14:09 < tsa> re rxr
14:09 < huebi> tsa: rock-debug ist das einzige Packet, das inStage 5 gebaut wird.
14:09 < tsa> huebi: achso...deswegen
14:09 < huebi> /in/aus/
14:10 < huebi> operoot@rock:~# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*err |wc -l
14:10 < huebi>      80
14:10 < huebi> braucht noch was
14:10 < huebi> openssl braucht die festverdratung von 32 bit
14:11 < tsa> https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2022897031
14:11 < tsa> ich brauch nen sponsor..
14:11 < tsa> ;)
14:12 < huebi> tsa: Der Monitor taugt nix!
14:12 < praenti> ui
14:12 < huebi> Immer wieder unscharf.
14:12 < tsa> huebi: der monitor ist mir egal...die u60 will ich.. ;-)
14:13 < huebi> root@rock:~# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*log |wc -l
14:13 < huebi>     239
14:13 < tsa> fein.
14:13 < huebi> rock-debug breche ich jetzt mal ab.
14:15 < huebi> restart
14:15 < huebi> vom Build
14:19 < huebi> tsa:     *  U.S. Sales within 48 States Only. Sorry no International bidders please
14:20 < tsa> huebi: das koennte man in zweifelsfall regeln...der bruder von nem Kollegen arbeitet bei Lucent in USA..
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14:21 < tsa> ...auf dem Wege habe ich mir auch schon mal nen Antares SCSI-Controller schicken lassen..
14:21 < tsa> hi snyke
14:21 < tsa> huebi: bloes ist bloss dann immer der Zoll..
14:21 < tsa> s,bloes,bloed
14:21 < snyke> hi all
14:22 < huebi> tsa: Ein Dual Athlon MP 1200 ist genau so schnell wie eine Blade1000 mit 2x UltraSparcIII
14:22 < huebi> tsa: Ich habe schon Motorraeder durch den Zoll hier am Flughafen gescmuggelt.
14:22 < tsa> huebi: mag sein - ich find' x86 aber langweilig...
14:23 < tsa> huebi: LOL.
14:23 < huebi> tsa: In ernst!
14:23 < tsa> dann sag ich Bescheid, wenn ich nen professionellen Schmuggler brauche..
14:23 < huebi> hehe
14:25 < huebi> Die kiste zerlegen und in mehreren Teilen/Packete zur Reparatur zum Hersteller (DU!) schicken lassen. Hat nur dann noch Schrottwert.
14:25 < tsa> hm....die Idee ist gut.
14:25 < tsa> Muss ich mir merken..
14:26 < huebi> tsa: Da funktioniert vieles.
14:27 * tsa hat schon ne Menge Zeugs im Koffer durch den Zoll gekriegt, aber auf sowas waer ich nicht gekommen..
14:27 < tsa> ;)
14:28 * huebi hat auch schon mal 50kg Bananen geschmuggelt. Das mir die Zoellner nich auch noch tragen geholfen haben, hat nur noch gefehlt.
14:28 < snyke> lol
14:29 < huebi> 3Wochen lang immer nur Bananen... igit!
14:29 < tsa> hehehe
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14:31 < term_emu> hi
14:31 < tsa> hi term_emu
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14:52 < tsa> re bluefire
15:03 < huebi> yes "oracle" | passwd oracle <- How do I get this to work from a script? I want to have the user oracle to get the password oracle
15:04 < tsa> hm...
15:05 < tsa> chpasswd
15:05 < tsa> or write an expect script
15:05 < tsa> (i didn't try any of those, no guarantee )
15:05 < huebi> tsa: How does that work?
15:06 < huebi> tsa: Thank you! chpasswd should work
15:11 < tsa> huebi: here's an example for an expect script:
15:11 < tsa> https://www.3ware.co.jp/tips/s11.html
15:11 < tsa> (little grey box)
15:12 < huebi> tsa: Ahh. *click*
15:36 * clifford is angry ...
15:37 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_angry
15:37 < tsa> hi clifford_angry
15:37 < clifford_angry> hi tsa.
15:37 < tsa> what is it that makes you angry?
15:37 < clifford_angry> my new sound card.
15:37 < tsa> hm...
15:37 < tsa> let's guess....it doesn't work?
15:38 < huebi> hi clifford_angry 
15:38 < clifford_angry> tsa: yes.
15:38 < clifford_angry> I can't use the midi interface of the onboard soundcard.
15:38 < tsa> uh...onboard sound.
15:38 < clifford_angry> So I bought a "TerraTec 128i PCI"
15:39 < clifford_angry> it is supposed to work with alsa.
15:39 < huebi> TerraDreck...?
15:39 < tsa> i don't have any good experiences with any onboard stuff at all....except scsi 
15:39 < clifford_angry> It was the only card in the shop which was mentioned on the alsa compat. list.
15:40 < clifford_angry> Ok - the driver which should work, doesn't work.
15:40 < clifford_angry> cat /proc/pci
15:40 < clifford_angry> .. C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738
15:40 < clifford_angry> hmmm .....
15:40 < clifford_angry> ok - so i try the driver for this one.
15:41 < clifford_angry> modprobe snd-cmipci
15:41 < clifford_angry> Segmentaion fault
15:41 < tsa> # lspci
15:41 < tsa> ?
15:41 < clifford_angry> lspci is using /proc/pci
15:42 < clifford_angry> lsmod
15:42 < clifford_angry> snd-cmipci             15108   1  (initializing)
15:42 < clifford_angry> hmmm .. cool.
15:42 < tsa> hm..
15:42 < tsa> old, but might help:
15:42 < tsa> https://dice.shopcenter.nu/alsa/alsa_0_4_1_es1938.txt
15:42 < clifford_angry> according to the box it is compatile with Soundblaster / Soundblaster Pro.
15:43 < clifford_angry> but this driver also doesn't work.
15:43 < clifford_angry> according to to the box it is MPU-401 compatible (remember: I just want midi)
15:43 < clifford_angry> .. nope.
15:43 < clifford_angry> now I'm angry.
15:44 < bluefire> clifford_angry: once there were simple midi boards.... 
15:44 < huebi> clifford_angry: Can you bring it back?
15:44 < clifford_angry> ah - btw: the MIDI plug is mounted in a way which doesn't allow me to connect the cable..
15:45 < tsa> does it have an ESS Solo1 Chip?
15:45 < clifford_angry> huebi: I dont know. But i don't want to bring it back!
15:45 < clifford_angry> I want midi ...
15:45 < tsa> there's a esssolo1.o somewhere...
15:46 < clifford_angry> tsa: i have no idea.
15:49 < clifford_angry> tsa: no - that also doesn't work.
15:49 < tsa> hm...
15:49 * clifford_angry is screaming!
15:50 < clifford_angry> grr ....
15:50 < clifford_angry> the last time that I've bought an unsupported hardware I wrote a driver for it. But I'm not going to do it this time ..
15:51 < clifford_angry> (/usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/wacom.c)
15:51 < tsa> clifford_angry: you might want to read Documentation/sound/CMI8338 from your current 2.4 linux kernel tree
15:52 * clifford_angry readign ..
15:52 < tsa> <clifford_angry> .. C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738
15:52 < tsa> HARDWARE SUPPORTED
15:52 < tsa> C-Media CMI8738
15:52 < tsa> On-board C-Media chips
15:52 < tsa> looks good, i'd say..
15:52 < clifford_angry> At least the also version of that driver doesn't work and can't be unloaded ..
15:53 < clifford_angry> I'll back soon (need to reboot)
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16:07 < tsa> hm....clifford can't decide whether to stay or to leave? ;-)
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16:17 < tsa> hm..
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16:18 < clifford> great. now I have two audio interfaces and still no midi ..
16:19 < tsa> hm....
16:19 < tsa> which driver are you using now?
16:20 < clifford> cmpci
16:20 < clifford> (oss)
16:20 < tsa> hm...
16:30 < clifford> hmm ... uart401 seams to do something ..
16:30 < tsa> "something"..
16:31 < clifford> no. It just loads an unloads.
16:32 < clifford> but doesn't acually speak to my hardware
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16:33 < tsa> hm....that's not too much.
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16:37 < armijn> re
16:37 < tsa> hi armijn
16:37 < armijn> hi tsa
16:37 < huebi> hi armijn 
16:38 < armijn> hi huebi
16:39 < armijn> huebi: I see the build went finer now
16:39 < huebi> armijn: Yes, it did.
16:39 < armijn> great
16:39 < huebi> armijn: Have a closer look at it.
16:39 < huebi> ;-)
16:39 < armijn> lots of packages went wrong I see
16:40 < armijn> but most of them optional, so that's not much of a problem (for me)
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16:41 < armijn> hey, that's weird...
16:41 < armijn> lvm did build here...
16:41 < armijn> hmm...
16:41 < huebi> armijn: I think the kernel should not include usb.
16:41 < armijn> but maybe that's just a kernel issue
16:41 < armijn> huebi: I know...at least not as a module
16:42 < armijn> because that's what I did now and that is supposed to break
16:42 < huebi> armijn: do you know how to change it?
16:42 < armijn> huebi: yeah, we need a new config
16:42 < huebi> armijn: where is this config?
16:42 < armijn> this one is b0rken
16:42 < huebi> normally stored?
16:42 < armijn> ./arch-conf/sparc64/
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16:43 < Mike1> hi all
16:43 < huebi> hi Mike1 
16:44 < huebi> armijn: now I see. Quite easy.
16:44 < Mike1> :)
16:44 < armijn> huebi: yeah, well, it needs to be changed
16:44 < tsa> hi Mike1
16:45 < armijn> I know Clifford prefers kernel.conf.cpp files, which are then used to generate the kernel configuration
16:45 < armijn> great, all the base errors are the ones that I expected
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16:49 < armijn> ehrm, huebi?
16:49 < huebi> rxr: Yes?
16:49 < armijn> I'm not rxr...
16:49 < armijn> grrr
16:49 < Mike1> *g
16:49 < armijn> look at the error for xfree86
16:50 < armijn> that's got *nothing* to do with if it's sparc or not
16:52 < armijn> mike1: soon you'll be able to build ROCK on the Blade :)
16:52 < huebi> armijn: Needs some handwork to find the error.
16:52 < armijn> huebi: well, a patch fails...
16:52 < tsa> armijn: will you give me a Blade? ;-)
16:53 < armijn> does that also happen on intel or alpha?
16:53 < tsa> armijn: which one?
16:53 < armijn> tsa: I don't have one
16:53 < Mike1> armijn yes you read the log?
16:53 < tsa> armijn: me neither..
16:53 < armijn> Extracting source (4.2.0) ...
16:53 < armijn> Do some other stuff ...
16:53 < armijn> `xc/programs/twm/system.twmrc' -> `xc/programs/twm/system.twmrc.orig'
16:53 < armijn> Apply patch /rock-linux/base-config/xfree86/4.2.0-libGLU-bad-extern.patch ...
16:53 < armijn> can't find file to patch at input line 9
16:53 < tsa> wrong -p
16:53 < armijn> yeah, but why?
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16:54 < tsa> armijn: the 4.2.0-* patches aren't from us....they are directly from xfree86.org
16:54 < armijn> and?
16:54 < huebi> tsa: The broken one from CCCthe worked when I checked them in.
16:54 < tsa> armijn: perhaps nobody tried to apply them before?
16:55 < armijn> tsa: ehr...
16:55 < huebi> the patches worked when I checked them in.
16:55 < armijn> hmm
16:55 < tsa> huebi: strange..
16:55 * armijn dives into it
16:56 * tsa decides to have worked enough for today..
16:56 < tsa> i'm going home...
16:56 < tsa> cu later
16:56 < armijn> cu
16:56 < armijn> this is weird
16:56 < huebi> cu tsa 
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16:56 < huebi> armijn: I solve that with X later.
16:56 < armijn> ok
16:56 < huebi> armijn: Can you fix the kernel?
16:57 < armijn> huebi: no, I'll go for ltrace first
16:57 < huebi> armijn: DiDltrace work on sparc?
16:57 < armijn> nope, it's unsupported
16:58 < armijn> huebi: how do you start builds?
16:58 * huebi is installing Oracle on Rocklinux ... again. 
16:58 < armijn> huebi: just go to /rock-linux and run ./scripts/Build-All COPY?
16:58 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ./scripts/Build-All rock:/rock-orig
16:58 < armijn> ok
16:59 < huebi> I use read only nfs. Better no deletet sources anymore.
16:59 < armijn> ok
17:00 < armijn> and how do I check out new stuff from CVS?
17:00 < armijn> on rock
17:00 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# cd /tmp
17:01 < huebi> export CVSROOT=:ext:armijn@ella:/home/cvs/cvsroot
17:01 < huebi>  export CVS_RSH="ssh"
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17:01 < huebi> rm -rf rock-1.5
17:02 < armijn> and then manually copy stuff over?
17:02 < huebi> cvs co rock-1.5
17:02 < huebi> now wait 20 sec
17:02 < huebi> cd /tmp/rock-1.5
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17:03 < huebi> /bin/cp -vf * /rock-orig
17:04 < armijn> that's it?
17:04 < huebi> armijn: But better just copyt the file you need.
17:04 < armijn> ok
17:05 < huebi> Yes armijn, th cvs ci I make directly from /rock-orig
17:06 < armijn> oh, btw, did I already tell that I will get two PA-RISC machines tomorrow?
17:06 < huebi> armijn: Please do it too. Things commited to cvs stay normally in there.
17:07 < huebi> armijn: No, you didn't
17:07 < armijn> huebi: I will get two PA-RISC machines tomorrow
17:07 < huebi> armijn: Ahh, I heared somesting like this ;-))
17:08 < armijn> heh
17:09 < armijn> what's the "s" stage?
17:10 < huebi> armijn: Where did you find it?
17:10 < armijn> hmm...I wonder if it is actually rebuilding stuff...
17:11 < armijn> Found packages in rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/ -> skipping building of packages!
17:11 < armijn>  ** Building default subdistributions **
17:11 < armijn> == 05/14/02 17:09:34 =[S]=> Building subdistribution install-disks.
17:11 < armijn> Building. Writing output to rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/info/logs/s-install-disks.out
17:11 < armijn> don't tell me we need to rebuild *everything*
17:11 < huebi> armijn: rm -rf rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/
17:11 < armijn> ok
17:12 < armijn> that helped :)
17:12 < huebi> armijn: No! since a while everything is just copied insted of beeing moved.
17:12 < armijn> so, I fucked up now?
17:13 < huebi> ??
17:13 < armijn> ehr, I guess that I mixed up two answers, never mind...
17:14 < armijn> ok, ltrace doesn't build right now, which is good...now it needs to be tested on Intel, see if I did it alright
17:15 < huebi> I changed the Build-All script to copy instead of moving the built stuff. Now you can just delete rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/
17:15 < armijn> ok
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17:22 < huebi> re armijn 
17:22 < armijn> I hate netsplits
17:23 < armijn> huebi: one problem is eliminated...now the next :)
17:23 < huebi> armijn: What did ypu do?
17:24 < armijn> disable building of ltrace on sparc
17:24 < huebi> did you ci it?
17:24 < armijn> of course
17:25 < huebi> OK!
17:25 < huebi> great.
17:25 < armijn> well, I usually don't use cvs ci, but rather cvs commit
17:25 < armijn> I keep a seperate CVS tree in my homedir on "ella"
17:25 < huebi> ah ok
17:25 < armijn> huebi: is your wife named "ella"?
17:25 < huebi> armijn: no, my daughter
17:25 < armijn> aha
17:26 < huebi> Ella-Charlotte
17:26 < huebi> ;-)
17:26 < armijn> European-Commision
17:26 < huebi> hehe
17:28 < rxr> re
17:28 < armijn> ok, let's see if openssl wants to build...
17:33 < armijn> rxr: glibc did build now
17:34 < huebi> hi rxr 
17:47 < esden> re hi all
17:48 < esden> puhh back home ...
17:48 < esden> rock-linux-tools now compile under dietlibc !!! *jump*
17:48 < zUnE-coffee> ahh... now thats what i call a coffe break  :)
17:48 -!- zUnE-coffee is now known as zUnE
17:48 < zUnE> good evening
17:49 < esden> evening zUnE 
17:49 < zUnE> whats happenin'?
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17:50 < hackbard> hi!
17:50 < esden> hmm nothing particular ... I am hunting bugs
17:50 < esden> hi hackbard 
17:50 < armijn> now, that's weird...
17:50 < esden> armijn: ???
17:50 < armijn> building stuff on huebi's machine
17:51 < armijn> and the kernel fails, but it just goes on creating md5sums, etc.
17:51 < esden> that must be wired ;-)
17:51 < Mike1> Hi Franky boy
17:51 < rxr> 2nd re ;-)
17:51 < armijn> I've seen this before, that some package actually weren't built correctly, but there were either no logs or wrong logs
17:51 < rxr> armijn: yes I read this last night ;-)
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17:54 < rxr> clifford: 
17:55 < huebi> cu later
17:55 < rxr> clifford: SoundBlaster <something> compatible does not mean anything
17:55 < Mike1> bye huebi 
17:55 < rxr> it is printed on all boxes and only mean -> it contains a DOS and winDOs driver which works for most software ...
17:55 < th> re
17:56 < rxr> clifford: but the driver behaviour is not normal - the best might be to complain on the alsa-devel list ...
17:58 < snyke> ESDEN!!!
17:59 * rxr my todo list is soo full :-(
17:59 < esden> ???
17:59 < snyke> msg
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18:02 < armijn> good, openssl is building
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18:06 < rxr> esden: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/law-13.05.02-000/
18:08 < esden> *click*
18:10 < armijn> esden: how's alpha going?
18:10 < armijn> esden: please add something to the gallery
18:10 < armijn> esden: I'm going to do the PA-RISC port :)
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18:18 < tsa> re
18:20 < rxr> so ich habe dazu mal kurz mein komentar auf heise gelassen ...
18:21 < armijn> jaja, ganz geil
18:21 < tsa> oh....was gibbet denn auf heise?
18:23 < rxr> matrox karte
18:23 < rxr> und da schreiben natuerlich wie immer alle muell ...
18:23 < tsa> hehe
18:25 < tsa> hm....ich hatte bisher noch nie ne matrox-karte.
18:25 < tsa> aber was ich bisher gehoert habe, sollen die zwar nicht so sonderlich toll 3d-leistung bieten, dafuer aber ein sehr schoen scharfes bild..
18:26 < tsa> und referenz-implementation framebuffer.
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18:27 < rxr> tsa: die hatten immer sehr gute signal qualitaet und semi-prof 2d bescheunigung (als das in den '90 jahren aufkam
18:27 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss.
18:27 < rxr> ja 3d war nicht soo super - aber der este open-source treiber
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18:27 < tsa> afaik haben die auch einigermassen freizuegig die specs rausgegeben...
18:27 < clifford> hi. jetzt hab' ich ne SB live 5.1 digital ....
18:27 < tsa> ah.
18:27 < rxr> die haben immer die specs rausgerueckt ;-)
18:28 < tsa> naja, und sie waren schon immer recht teuer.
18:28 < armijn> blah blah
18:28 < tsa> clifford: schon wieder ne neue karte? *seufz*
18:28 < clifford> wo geht denn die scheiss packung auf ?
18:28 < rxr> und die neue karte sollte alle anderen karten auch in 3d uebertreffen ...
18:28 < tsa> rxr: jupp, du hattest da neulich nen link auf den channel gepastet..
18:28 < rxr> hi clifford #
18:28 * clifford ist verzweifelt ..
18:28 < clifford> hi rxr.
18:28 < tsa> armijn: sorry.
18:28 < tsa> LANG=en
18:28 < armijn> ha!
18:28 < armijn> :)
18:28 < rxr> tsa: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/law-13.05.02-000/
18:29 < tsa> rxr: thanks.
18:29 < armijn> hmm...
18:29 < armijn> luckily I'm just concentrating on "base" packages
18:29 < clifford> I'm now going to shut down my computer for a few minutes ...
18:29 < clifford> see you then  :-)
18:29 < armijn> lots of optional packages failing on sparc64
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18:29 < tsa> cu cliff
18:33 * rxr faengt an auf nie naechste Matrox karte zu sparen 
18:34 < tsa> rxr: LANG=en
18:34 < tsa> rxr: du you know how expensive the new cards will be?
18:34 < armijn> soundcards...urgh
18:34 < armijn> or graphics cards?
18:34 < armijn> who needs them anyway
18:34 < tsa> gfx
18:35 < tsa> armijn: /me
18:35 < rxr> tsa: no prob - the heise text says 500 EUR ...
18:35 < tsa> rxr: ARG
18:35 < rxr> but i do not need it in the first moths - they get cheaper ...
18:35 < tsa> armijn: without a gfx card, i would have no use for my monitor..
18:36 < armijn> use serial port
18:36 < armijn> use a terminal :)
18:36 < tsa> hehe
18:36 < rxr> tsa: but the card should be faster than the current NVidia onces ... and it should have 3 (!!) Monitor outs ...
18:36 < tsa> rxr: i only have one monitor..
18:37 < armijn> you will need to buy two more then!
18:37 < rxr> you do not need to plug a cable into the two other ports ...
18:37 < tsa> rxr: you mean it will work with just one monitor?
18:37 < tsa> cool.
18:37 * tsa deeply impressed ;-)
18:38 * rxr is impressed how easyly tsa can be impressed ...
18:38 < tsa> hehe
18:38 < rxr> a dual head is really nice some times ... - and esden told me he would have use for a three head setup
18:39 < rxr> (he even said his next card will be a quad-head one ...)
18:39 < rxr> ???
18:40 < rxr> To change the email address for the forum at www.heise.de you get a activation-mail where a URL has to be openen in a browser
18:40 < rxr> but the "activation mail" is send to the new address? _> Really secure ;-) *g*
18:41 < armijn> why would you need *four* monitors
18:41 < rxr> (although is was perfect for me - because other email address was outdaed for 2 years ...)
18:41 < rxr> armijn: I? I only need two - or maybe three sometimes ...
18:42 < armijn> rxr: what for? games?
18:42 < huebi> re
18:42 < armijn> hi huebi
18:43 < rxr> armijn: for big coding stuff 1152x980 is simly not big enough; displaying some oder informations that are needed, moving the video 4 linux app to the second head ...
18:43 < huebi> I need a A0 printer with at least 200MB RAM
18:43 < hackbard> huebi: lgp-kernel? :)
18:43 < esden> gaehhhnnn
18:43 < huebi> hackbard: jo
18:43 < esden> re hi all
18:43 < hackbard> hehe
18:43 < armijn> huebi: I fixed openssl
18:43 < huebi> armijn: kool
18:44 < armijn> huebi: but some things are still failing...
18:44 < armijn> the fact that the kernel is not building gives some more trouble than I expected :(((
18:45 * huebi has to code html the whole night. I hate documentation if not done While working.
18:45 < armijn> huebi: you will send me a CD right?
18:46 < huebi> armijn: Yes, Do you want to have it made on rock. Then you should have all
18:47 < armijn> huebi: I just need the source packages
18:47 < huebi> armijn: But the right ones ;-)
18:47 < armijn> huebi: yeah, definitely
18:47 * rxr is again impressed by the 2.5 ide cleanups ;-)
18:48 * huebi wants to be at home 2x 1600x1200. Browser on the left an terminal onthe right.
18:48 < armijn> huebi: will you release another snapshot soon?
18:48 < huebi> armijn: Yes.
18:48 < armijn> the last one is almost two weeks ago
18:48 < huebi> 1.5.15 is not fare away.
18:48 < armijn> huebi: #define far away
18:49 < armijn> I will then need 1.5.15 (and packages) for PA-RISC...
18:49 < armijn> but I will need it *soon*
18:49 < huebi> far away: known to be a time told if there is no known time in the future
18:49 < armijn> huebi: I want to make sure that my changes (in openssl.conf and ltrace.conf) do not affect other architectures
18:50 < huebi> armijn: at the weekend.
18:50 < armijn> huebi: you will release it this weekend?
18:50 < huebi> I need at tuesday a new stable version on x86
18:50 < huebi> ar yes
18:50 < huebi> armijn: yes
18:50 < huebi> ;-)
18:50 < armijn> huebi: you need a new stable version?
18:51 < huebi> Yes, my customer wants to have fresh Rocklinux server installations
18:51 < armijn> ah
18:52 < armijn> ok, I will make a few more changes to the source tree before hand...so egcs64 won't be built on x86
18:52 < huebi> armijn: That would be really great.
18:52 < tsa> hm...having an own distribution really has advantages..
18:52 < huebi> tsa: Yes YES YES!!!!
18:53 < tsa> when you don't want to update the customers machines, you just don't release new snapshots and tell him he's up to date.. ;-)
18:53 < huebi> hehe
18:53 < rxr> tsa: but this way he doesn't get money
18:53 -!- clifford [~clifford@M126P030.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
18:53 < Mike1> hi clifford 
18:53 < clifford> Hahaaaa! It works!
18:53 < rxr> you simply have to release a new snapshot when you need money ...
18:54 < tsa> rxr: depends on the kind of contract you have with your customer..
18:54 < huebi> esden: You disabled once port 6000 on XFree86. Do you have a patch for that?
18:54 < tsa> clifford: which one?
18:54 < rxr> sure
18:54 < tsa> clifford: the sb 5.1?
18:54 < clifford> sb live.
18:54 < tsa> ah.
18:54 < tsa> emu10k
18:54 < tsa> emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected
18:54 < tsa> works out of the box.
18:54 * clifford spend > 100 EUR today just to have a midi port for testing not finished applications ...
18:54 < clifford> tsa: yes.
18:55 < hackbard> cool, mayby this will change to --with-cards=emu10k1 in 1.7 soon :-))
18:55 < rxr> hackbard: all modules should be built - aren't they ?
18:55 < clifford> I think I never had so many files in /dev/midi before ..  :-)
18:56 < hackbard> sure, but i have sb live too :p
18:56 < tsa> hehe
18:56 < tsa> i haven't configured midi stuff.
18:56 < tsa> uhm..wait
18:56 < tsa> i have.
18:57 < tsa> at least i have /dev/sound/midi and /dev/sound/midi1
18:57 < tsa> whatever that's supposed to mean.
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18:59 < hackbard> what synthi do you have clifford?
18:59 < clifford> hackbard: in my office I only have the Yamaha DJX-II at the moment.
19:00 < clifford> my hd-recorder (Boss BR-8) is also on the midi bus ..
19:01 < hackbard> i have a yamaha cs1x here
19:02 < hackbard> i dont know DJX-II ... hmm
19:02 < clifford> I like synthies like Supernova Pro-X or Waldorf Q.
19:02 < clifford> the DJX-II is a funny thing to play arround
19:03 < clifford> but it also can be very limiting ..
19:03 < armijn> argh
19:04 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new
19:04 < hackbard> yeah, waldorf is cool, but expensive
19:04 < clifford> hackbard: yes. but there are even more expensive synthies out there .. :-)
19:04 < clifford> what kind of music do you make?
19:05 < hackbard> since i am on linux i dont use my synthi anymore :(
19:05 < hackbard> just my turntables
19:05 < hackbard> but i tried to do some 'house' music, i like that wild pitch stuff
19:06 < clifford> hackbard: want to hear the raw-cut of a house number I'm currently working on?
19:06 < hackbard> sure
19:06 < rxr> clifford: /me too ;-)
19:06 * clifford is uploading ...
19:08 < clifford> I need to run bladeenc first ... :-)
19:10 < clifford> uploading .... (10 min ETA)
19:10 < tsa> lame has a better quality than bladeenc..
19:10 < clifford> I'm now smoking a cigarette. be back soon ..
19:10 < rxr> clifford: bladeenc ? not lame ?
19:10 < huebi> tsa: ACK
19:11 < rxr> tsa: im curious: would you say lame or ogg/vorbis sounds better with the same bitrate ?
19:11 < tsa> rxr: did you have a look after gnomemms from gkrellm-plugins?
19:11 < clifford> I'm having bladeenc here - and since it is a raw-cut I think that it's not importand ..
19:12 < tsa> rxr: i'd prefer lame
19:12 < rxr> tsa: oh not yet - sorry. I'll polish gnome2 and have to do some mergin on my SANE/Avision backend and then I still have to find some words for the rolling rock ...
19:13 < tsa> rxr: ok..
19:13 < rxr> tsa: because?
19:13 < armijn> hmm
19:14 < armijn> anyone experience with Adaptec cD creator
19:14 < armijn> it is a windows program, I know, but it's all I've got right now :((
19:14 < tsa> rxr: can't say, it just "feels" a little different..
19:14 < tsa> hehe
19:14 < tsa> top quote from the stats page:
19:15 < tsa> huebi     SUN Germany called me
19:15 < huebi> tsa: Yes?
19:16 < armijn> I've got a PA-RISC bootable CD which I've to burn
19:16 < armijn> on windows.
19:16 < armijn> where are the irc stats?
19:16 < rxr> cool onther Matrox site lists Linux as supported platform ;-)
19:17 < zUnE> i have used it at work, adaptec that is. whuz the trouble?
19:17 < huebi> cu
19:18 < huebi> I leave now
19:18 < armijn> zUnE: it's got to stay bootable
19:18 < tsa> armijn: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/
19:18 < zUnE> its an ISO you gonna burn, right?
19:18 < armijn> zUnE: no, it's a raw image
19:20 < zUnE> yeah byt raw is an iso image,  a bin dump
19:21 < armijn> not according to windows
19:21 < zUnE> in what way?
19:21 < armijn> all ways
19:22 < zUnE> i dont quite understand, how are you burning?  creating a new project or what?
19:22 < armijn> it's burning now but I'm not sure if it will burn the right thing
19:22 < armijn> zUnE: no, I downloaded a raw file from the Debian website
19:23 < zUnE> aha,  just rename extension *.raw to *.iso and burn it
19:23 < armijn> pfrt, that's it?
19:23 < armijn> it's burning now, so..
19:23 < armijn> let's hope it will work
19:24 < zUnE> hope iz good
19:24 < zUnE> ;)
19:24 < armijn> I will check it later
19:24 < armijn> not finished yet
19:25 < clifford> www.clifford.at/TuxTronic/hardcore_sucks.mp3
19:25 < zUnE> a porn file?
19:25 < clifford> as said - it's far away from beeing finished.
19:26 < clifford> no - it's just a working title ..
19:26 < zUnE> yeah, just some bad humor over here
19:26 < armijn> "clifford - the bedroom recordings"
19:28 < clifford> with "hardcore" is "hardcore techno" ment. It's a (more or less) groovy house number. I made it after playing 8 hours hardcore in the club I'm working ..  :-)
19:29 < armijn> heh, I also listen to hardcore
19:29 < armijn> but then it's hardcore punk
19:29 < zUnE> i like hardrock
19:29 < zUnE> does that mean im old :)
19:29 < armijn> zUnE: no, because that will make me old as well :)
19:29 < zUnE> Saxon
19:30 < armijn> zUnE: Saxon will do the full Eagle show this summer :)
19:30 < armijn> o/~ She's got wheeeeeels! Wheels of steel! o/~
19:30 < zUnE> alright!   the eagle haz landed
19:30 < zUnE> will you be there?
19:30 < zUnE> ;)
19:30 < armijn> zUnE: www.graspop.com, of course!
19:30 < clifford> there exists no midi sound applicatin for linux with a major release number > 0 ...
19:31 < armijn> zUnE: they will do more shows, just not sure if they will play in .se
19:32 < zUnE> both dio and saxon was here not so long ago
19:32 < armijn> zUnE: hehe, Dio rocks
19:32 < zUnE> and ive seen purple here too
19:32 < armijn> zUnE: I've seen tons of old bands...Dio, Saxon, Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, ...
19:33 < zUnE> nize
19:33 < armijn> you bet.
19:33 < zUnE> 19:35, gotta go get a pizza
19:34 -!- zUnE is now known as zUnE-pizza
19:35 * rxr away
19:35 < armijn> clifford: new ROCK port
19:35 < armijn> clifford: could you make esden maintainer for Alpha?
19:36 < rxr> clifford: before I forget: I selected gcc3 for c c++ and fortran -> but gcc2 is still build. Why is the compiler selection gone =
19:37 < rxr> (or where to disavle gcc2=
19:37 < rxr> cu in a few minutes ...
19:40 < hackbard> re
19:40 * hackbard downloading hardcore_sucks.mp3
19:40 < armijn> hackbard: it's no pr0n
19:40 < hackbard> :)
19:43 < hackbard> wow, i couldnt mix for 8 hours
19:43 < hackbard> even if its no hardcore!
19:45 < clifford> hackbard: when it's sat. and you are the only DJ you don't have much of a choice ..  :-)
19:45 < armijn> buy a new DJ
19:46 < armijn> clifford: could you make me maintainer of PA-RISC instead of Alpha?
19:47 < clifford> armijn: esden=alpha, armijin=pa-risc ?
19:47 < armijn> clifford; yeah, I haven't done a thing on alpha yet
19:48 < armijn> clifford: and I will start with PA-RISC this week or next week
19:48 < clifford> armijn: you both are not even listed in the TEAMS file ...
19:49 < armijn> clifford: https://www1.rocklinux.org/projects/#ports
19:49 < clifford> what is "tse3" ??
19:50 < clifford> armijn: please set up a pa-risc homepage first ..
19:50 < clifford> and esden should take over the alpha axp homepage.
19:50 < armijn> who is tse3?
19:50 < clifford> a library.
19:50 < armijn> man tse3?
19:51 < tsa> hm..
19:51 < armijn> oh yeah, a webpage...
19:51 < tsa> interesting
19:51 < hackbard> clifford: nice track, i pretty much like the melody at the end [3:44-4:00,4:29-5:00]
19:51 < armijn> clifford: I never even took over the Alpha webpage
19:51 * armijn puts on some real music (metal!)
19:51 < hackbard> when you play with the filter
19:52 < tsa> with sendmail 8.12.2, /usr/sbin/sendmail has to be sgid smmsp, not sgid mail..
19:52 * clifford is opening it in a player ..
19:53 < esden> re hi all
19:54 < tsa> hi esden
19:54 < rxr> re
19:54 < tsa> ..alpha axp maintainer in spe..
19:54 < rxr> clifford: tse3 is some kind of event engine (for midi)
19:54 < rxr> clifford: what about the gcc selection?
19:54 < clifford> rxr: I'm reading it already on the hp.
19:54 < clifford> is it good?
19:54 < armijn> hi esden
19:54 < clifford> rxr: use the generic package selection.
19:54 < armijn> esden: you're the alpha maintainer, ok?
19:55 < esden> ok ...
19:55 < armijn> esden: you should take over the webpage from clifford
19:55 < armijn> clifford: esden wants to be maintainer :)
19:55 < esden> armijn: will do 
19:55 < clifford> esden: could you copy the alpha homepage files to your directory?
19:55 < tsa> TEAMS file?
19:56 < tsa> where is it?
19:56 < esden> clifford: sure ... 
19:56 * -> esden brb (and copy the stuff)
19:57 < clifford> hmm ... i have 60 faders in my alsa mixer just for the SB live .... cool!
19:57 < clifford> tsa: Documentation/TEAM
19:57 < rxr> clifford: many are alsa software channel mixers ... ;-)
19:58 < esden> clifford could you pack them and send the pages to me before you delete them ? or simply move them to my home ?
19:58 < tsa> clifford: ah..thanks
19:58 < clifford> rxr: I thing I need a gui for that...  :-)
19:59 < rxr> clifford: how good tse3 is I do not know - why should I use a blackbox lib when this is such a fundamental progam design issue I would like to desgn myself ...
19:59 < rxr> clifford: gcc - ah ok
19:59 < clifford> anthem needs tse3 ..
20:00 * clifford is testing every linux midi sequencer now ..
20:01 < armijn> at the same time?
20:01 < clifford> armijn: no. one by one. But I'm not spending more than a few minutes with fixing if it doesn't build ..
20:02 < hackbard> cool, interested about ur results!
20:02 < armijn> 74 packages failed
20:02 < armijn> just base + opt, no ext
20:02 < armijn> interesting...
20:03 < clifford> so far I didn't found a singe program which I would use in one of my productions.
20:04 < armijn> nah, I'll leave the xfree fix for huebi :)
20:15 < armijn> is x86 the only architecure with isa?
20:15 < rxr> clifford: this is why I started GSMP ...
20:15 < clifford> rxr: it's horrible.
20:15 < clifford> no program which compiles ad-hoc.
20:16 < clifford> and they are all broken.
20:16 < armijn> clifford: is x86 the only architecture which has ISA?
20:16 < tsa> sgi's have eisa afaik
20:17 < clifford> I've made 'tuxtronic' with a self-written perl script. And it looks like this is the best method for using midi in linux.
20:22 < armijn> Perl::Midi
20:23 < clifford> armijn: never used it - I was just writing binary data to /dev/midi ..
20:26 < armijn> clifford: I dunno if it exists, but you could make it :_
20:26 < armijn> :)
20:27 < esden> re hi all
20:28 * -> esden testing his dietlibc patch
20:29 < clifford> hmm... https://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Software/8918/linux/index.html
20:31 < armijn> ah well, I did enough for ROCK today, fixed a lot of packages
20:31 < armijn> so I'm off
20:31 < armijn> cu
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20:33 < zUnE-pizza> nice listing of sound appz too https://linux-sound.org/
20:37 < rxr> clifford: another complaint about 1.7
20:37 < zUnE-pizza> i cant get 1.7 dev past the gcc3 compile
20:37 < clifford> yes?
20:37 < rxr> clifford: is it really needed to generate so many fluffy string IDs into the build ID ? - Everytime I change a option in Config I have to hack arround to not rebuild all packages !!
20:37 < rxr> THIS SUCKS!
20:38 < rxr> I just added - *gcc2* and had this prob again ...
20:38 < clifford> rxr: it has been already reduced.
20:38 < rxr> clifford: is it online ?
20:38 < clifford> rxr: no - you enabled packagfe selection. this alters the id string.
20:38 < rxr> clifford: why? this is odd ...
20:39 < clifford> hmmm ...
20:39 < clifford> what should in your op. be in the id string?
20:40 < rxr> the pkgsel and export should not ...
20:40 < rxr> erm expert ...
20:40 < clifford> the idstring is the 'name' of the distribution.
20:41 < clifford> I think name name should contain the information that it's not the default 'intel-generic' (e.g.).
20:41 < rxr> you compile it build and it breaks somwhere because you fogot a setting - dou you really wanna get ALL recompiled only because you forgot to remove a package or you enable some other debug output ?
20:42 < rxr> target arch optimization is ok - but the rest only make s our live harder ...
20:42 < clifford> rxr: maybe it's needed to rebuild everyting after that option has changed ..
20:42 < rxr> clifford: _maybe_ -> so why should we enforce a complete rebuild?
20:42 < clifford> e.g. you select gcc3 as c++ compiler. You recognise that some packages fail with gcc3 and want to rebuild with gcc2 ..
20:43 < rxr> but your courent scheme doesn't prevent this case (does it ?) - but anyway this is a really the users fault
20:43 < rxr> I'm glad to provide some kernel like help tests for the options ...
20:44 < clifford> I could move the package selection to the expert section.
20:44 < clifford> so It's already covered with the -expert postfix.
20:44 < rxr> clifford: ah ok
20:45 < rxr> this would only leave the exoprt flag, right?
20:45 < rxr> I could live with this ;-)
20:46 < clifford> done.
20:47 < clifford> Is there not a _single_ midi application for linux?
20:47 < rxr> but the gcc3 <-> gcc2 is anyway not covered by this IDs ... is it?
20:47 < clifford> I mean: one which is working ..
20:47 < rxr> clifford: GSMP might be the best after 2-4 weeks of coding *g*
20:47 < clifford> rxr: no - but when you are in '-expert' it's all your problem :-)
20:48 < rxr> clifford: I have no problem with this ;-)
20:48 < clifford> rxr: I want to make some music _now_.
20:48 < clifford> And I don't want to install cubase + windows ..
20:49 < rxr> clifford: done use your computer - or your perl scripts ;-)
20:49 < rxr> you could buy a mac ...
20:49 < rxr> + cubase
20:49 < clifford> rxr: I have a mac.
20:49 < clifford> yes - but no cubase for mac.
20:49 < rxr> with ROCK ;-) ?
20:49 < clifford> (btw - I think I even have no cubase for win at the moment)
20:49 < tsa> clifford: you could sing..
20:50 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/powerpc/powerpc.html
20:51 < clifford> tsa: no.
20:51 < rxr> clifford: yes i know ... so you have no Mac but the IBM box ?
20:51 < clifford> rxr: I have an iMac.
20:51 < clifford> the one I made the inital rock/ppc port on 16C3.
20:52 < rxr> clifford: ah - not much in use I guess ?
20:52 < zUnE-pizza> .. https://linux-sound.org/midi.html
20:52 < zUnE-pizza> havent tried many of them though
20:52 < clifford> rxr: I didn't turn it on since i have the RS/6k.
20:53 < rxr> clifford: did you modified perl5 lately?
20:53 < clifford> zUnE-pizza: I've tested already all sequencers (and trackers) listed there.
20:53 < rxr> it fails here - and I'm sure it worked some days ago ... ?
20:53 < zUnE-pizza> ill shutup then
20:54 < clifford> zUnE-pizza: but if you know something else. I've tried everything on that list and everything I've found on freshmeat.
20:54 < clifford> rxr: do yopu think cubase would run in wine?
20:54 < rxr> clifford: I would give it a 20% chance ...
20:54 < rxr> clifford: what about perl5 ?
20:55 * rxr needs subversion for the 1.7 tree ...
20:55 < clifford> rxr: I would give it a 2% chance that it will not dedect the dongle ..
20:55 < hackbard> hehe
20:55 < clifford> rxr: I wanted 
20:55 < clifford> something which alowes my to "play arround".
20:56 < clifford> If you write your music as perl script you need to know exactly what you want.
20:56 < esden> clifford I have got the rock tools to compile under dietlibc ... 
20:56 < rxr> clifford: yes I know - I'll do gsmp work in some weeks ...
20:56 < clifford> I think I will use a tracker and only generate sample with my synth ..
20:57 < rxr> clifford: perl5 ?
20:57 < clifford> rxr: yes?
20:57 < esden> now the fl_wrapper.so is being build only when the flwrapper.so is selected in the config ...
20:58 < rxr> clifford: I asked whether you modified perl5 because it fails in my 1.7 build! (And I'm sure it worked some days ago ...)
20:58 < clifford> esden: that was the old behavior...  :-)
20:59 < clifford> oh - I thought you where talking about using perl5 for controling midi synths.
20:59 < esden> why have you changed that ? I can not build the .so with diet AFAIS
20:59 < esden> or am I wrong ?
20:59 < zUnE-pizza> ardour looks interesting
21:00 < clifford> esden: if you have strace selected, rund Built-Tools, and then select flwrapper.so
21:00 < rxr> zUnE-pizza: ardour has no midi
21:00 < rxr> zUnE-pizza: and it never compiled for me ...
21:00 < clifford> will than flwrapper.so built when it is started the next time?
21:00 < hackbard> clifford: where can i get ur tuxtronic from? i cant find it on freshmeat or google
21:01 < esden> clifford: hmm .... I am not sure 
21:01 < clifford> hackbard: the song or the source?
21:01 < esden> I will have to test it ...
21:01 < hackbard> oh, thats a song?
21:01 < zUnE-pizza> at least it has mmc   :) 
21:01 < esden> clifford: ok so I will debug it and try to build it under diet too
21:01 -!- blindy|nothere is now known as blindcoder
21:01 < blindcoder> g'evening everyone
21:01 < esden> even if we do not use it under the diet target ...
21:02 < esden> hi blindcoder 
21:02 < blindcoder> esden: The Zip-Drive in my laptop works fine again :D
21:02 < clifford> esden: you could also fix Built-Tools so it has a better check whether it should run a build ..
21:02 < esden> blindcoder: have you thrown it once more on the wall ?
21:02 < blindcoder> esden: that wouldn't have fixed anything
21:03 < blindcoder> esden: I don't understand much of these things as it concerns hardware
21:03 < blindcoder> esden: but I'm sure the thing that spins the magnetic disc inside of the zip-drive
21:03 < esden> clifford: ok that is another possibility ... I will see what I can do 
21:03 < blindcoder> esden: should be FIXED on it and not floating around loosely
21:03 < blindcoder> esden: so I put a drop of VERY GOOD glue ("Sekundenkleber") on the right place to fixate it ;)
21:04 < blindcoder> esden: and since then it works
21:04 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... this was the so called quick fix ;-)
21:05 < blindcoder> esden: well it works and now I'm compiling perl on my oversized pocket calculator
21:06 < esden> blindcoder: autsch
21:07 < esden> clifford: will there be a snap today ?
21:07 < clifford> esden: yes.
21:08 < rxr> clifford: are my patches in ?
21:08 < esden> clifford: when *nerv*
21:08 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9E7AAF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:08 < rxr> hi martin_ 
21:09 < martin_> hi rxr
21:09 < martin_> OpenOffice Bulid 641d kommt mit so 11 kByte nur an ... :(
21:10 < clifford> esden: the net-tools fix?
21:10 * rxr is hacking SANE code - some meters away 
21:13 < esden> clifford: rxr asked because of the patches not me ... I know that my net-tools patch is in ...
21:13 < clifford> rxr: which one?
21:13 < clifford> gcc?
21:13 < rxr> only a gcc update - the last snap is not on the server anymore ...
21:14 < clifford> yes - that one is in.
21:14 < rxr> the Gnome2 stuff did not compile completely 
21:14 < rxr> or do you wanna get this bits ?
21:14 < clifford> rxr: maybe you want to send a patch anyways?
21:14 < clifford> rxr: we've lost sync once. I don't want to reapeat that..  :-)
21:15 < rxr> clifford:  you mean a year ago ? ;-)
21:15 < clifford> rxr: yes.
21:15 < rxr> ok then you get the expoerimental Gnome2 stuff ;-)
21:16 < rxr> 186355 May 14 21:15 2clifford-gnome2.patch
21:16 < clifford> rxr: btw - would it be complicated fo you to send me patches in a form which can be applied with -p1 ?
21:16 < rxr> it would be easy - sure ;-)
21:16 < rxr> but this will increase the size further ;-)
21:17 < clifford> yes - but it will prevent me from doing the same mistake for every patch you send me over and over again ..
21:17 < rxr> 195427 May 14 21:17 2clifford-gnome2.patch
21:17 < rxr> which mistake?
21:18 < clifford> using -p1 for applying it. (everyone else is sending -p1 patches)
21:18 < rxr> I'm always in the rock-src-1.7-working dir ... ;-) and you never complaint ...
21:19 < rxr> clifford: btw could we share the scripts/Internal script ?
21:19 < esden> I hate fli4l !!!
21:19 < tsa> so why do you use it, then?
21:20 < esden> I need a one disk router target in rock !!!
21:20 < esden> tsa: because I have once installed it (it was easy and fast to set up) and I had no time to reinstall my router till now :-(
21:21 < tsa> esden: du distributions-fremdgaenger!
21:21 < tsa> ;-)
21:21 < esden> tsa: soorrryyy :-(
21:22 < clifford> rxr: share? what do you mean?
21:22 < rxr> clifford: some options to rsync my source would be nice in Internal und Update-Src ;-)
21:24 < clifford> rxr: ???
21:25 < rxr> so during tesing some bigger updates people could rsync my working set - and i have the rsync line (I alwaya re-grep from .bach_history) in the Internal script ;-)
21:25 < rxr> (but it is not that important ...)
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21:27 < rxr> clifford: mail is out ...
21:31 < rxr> clifford: but there is another thing that bothers me, everytime i want to take a look into the log file i have to find out which one in build/<$id>/logs/* is the actual one - is it really necesarry to use different ones each Build ?
21:32 < blindcoder> YAHOO!! Perl is finished compiling :D
21:33 < clifford> rxr: what if you do parallel builds of diffrent configs?
21:33 < clifford> btw: ./scripts/Create-ErrList is your friend.
21:34 * rxr wonders about all the new tiny scripts lying arround ...
21:34 < clifford> most of that stuff was in Internal before.
21:34 < clifford> Or in misc/archive/..
21:35 * rxr wiped out Internal in dRock (now has only three private options ;-)
21:35 * rxr misc/archive ? wasn't this also wiped out in dRock ... ? ;_)
21:36 < clifford> are you sure about removing autoextract=1 from linux.conf?
21:36 < rxr> autoextract is the default, isn't it ?
21:37 < clifford> oh! yes. (cliff need some sleep and distanz to midi .. :-)
21:37 < rxr> ok ok -> I'll take a deep look into Check-PkgVersion and ErrList
21:38 < clifford> rxr: all applied.
21:38 < rxr> ;-)
21:38 < clifford> rxr: is that changelog line correct:
21:38 < clifford> - Rene Rebe: updated to gnome2 (still not stable)
21:39 < rxr> jups ;-) it is perfect ;-)
21:39 < clifford> ok.
21:39 < rxr> clifford: when I wouldn't have to rebuild 1.7 three times here the packages would work ...
21:40 < rxr> and btw. the .desc files needs to be filled - many gnome libs do not have a homepage and no detailed textual information online ...
21:40 < rxr> so they are currently rather *diet* ...
21:40 < clifford> rxr: does Check-PkgFormat fail?
21:41 < rxr> no (i hope)
21:41 * clifford checks ..
21:41 < rxr> they have all tags ...
21:41 < rxr> but the U ist often www.gnome.org A othen The GNOME Project and T some 1-2 lines I got into mind ...
21:41 < clifford> warnig - little flood ..
21:42 < clifford> gnome-db: Found dup: package/x11/gnome-db package/sourceforge/gnome-db
21:42 < clifford> gnome-games: Unknown package category: gnome/gamess
21:42 < clifford> kdeedu: Unknown package category: kde/gamess
21:42 < clifford> kdegames: Unknown package category: kde/gamess
21:42 < clifford> libglade1: package/x11/libglade1/libglade1.conf: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
21:42 < clifford> libglade1: package/x11/libglade1/libglade1.conf: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
21:42 < rxr> uups
21:42 < rxr> the kde ones are sed mismatches sorry :-(
21:42 * rxr schaem ...
21:42 < clifford> the dup is not so importand (when I do an Update-sourceforge it simply removes them :-)
21:43 < rxr> clifford: could you correct the ss for the games cat ;-)?
21:43 < clifford> extra1, extra2 and base doesn't contain any PkgFormat errors.
21:43 < clifford> sure.
21:44 < rxr> there is now a gnome and gnome2 prefix selection - and the default is /opt/$name for all ...
21:44 < rxr> libg
21:44 < clifford> lade1 ..
21:44 < rxr> lade1.conf is only missing a " ...
21:45 < clifford> also fixed.
21:45 < clifford> Check-PkgFormat is nice, isn't it?
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21:46 < rxr> yes - although I was rather suprissed when I saw the hardcoded LICENSE tags ...
21:46 < holyolli> moin
21:46 < clifford> rxr: you may send a patch if it's so importand to you ..  :-)
21:46 < clifford> hi olli.
21:46 < holyolli> hi clifford
21:47 < rxr> clifford: no - but I was suprissed that YOU do such hacks ... ;-)
21:47 < rxr> hi holyolli 
21:47 < esden> hi holyolli 
21:47 < holyolli> hi rxr
21:47 < holyolli> hi esden
21:48 * rxr needs to code SANE now ...
21:48 < blindcoder> esden: you still like megatokyo?
21:48 < clifford> rxr: I wanted to get it done ... :-)
21:49 < rxr> clifford: sure - but normally I see only 99.99% perfect code from your *g*
21:49 < esden> blindcoder: yes I do ... I have seen your private post ... I have also looked on it ... but I have to fight with rock now ...
21:49 < blindcoder> esden: then look at this one: https://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/productdetail.aspx?prodno=708858&zoom=yes#zoom
21:50 < clifford> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.org/releases/old/
21:50 < clifford> you better don't download the 1.0b releases ..
21:51 < esden> hehe ... blindcoder I know it already
21:51 < rxr> clifford: erhm - you can be lucky, since I do not have the time.
21:52 < esden> clifford: the first releases are so small .. how cute ;-)
21:54 < clifford> cat ROCK-1.7.0-DEV/scripts/* | wc -l  =>  5053
21:54 < clifford> that's not that much ...
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21:55 < esden> hmm ... yes you are right ... 
21:55 < kvak|uninvited> Hi every1
21:55 < esden> hi uni
21:55 < blindcoder> hi uni
21:56 < kvak|uninvited> bchaters go irc ;-)
21:56 < blindcoder> esden: I'm currently working on the BG... but the blue spiral doesn't satisfy me... you don't have any suggestions, do you?
21:56 < esden> blindcoder: not really
21:57 < kvak|uninvited> intersting ... most interesting...
21:57 < clifford> rxr: we do not have an x11 mixer for alsa in the distribution ?!?
21:58 < rxr> gamix
21:58 < clifford> rxr: which package?
21:58 < rxr> clifford: extra1/gamix ?
21:59 < rxr> yes
21:59 * clifford is building gamix
21:59 < term_emu> n8
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22:01 < clifford> *wow*
22:03 < rxr> now you see why do not use oss since two years ?
22:03 < clifford> well .. the section for the onboard card is ok.
22:04 < clifford> but the section for the sblive has more fadres than my behringer studiomixer.
22:04 < rxr> oh I have also a behringer mixer here ;-)
22:05 < rxr> but only a MX2642A ...
22:05 < clifford> (ok the studiomixer has much mor ponits in the monitormatrix than this guis has faders ..)
22:05 < rxr> hehe
22:05 < clifford> here I have an MX3242X
22:07 < esden> undefined regerence to main ? wass soll die dreckige scheisse mann !!!
22:07 < clifford> that's enought for home recording ..
22:07 < clifford> esden: schoen sprechen. der channel ist jugendfrei.
22:08 < esden> clifford: sorry ...
22:08 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205142148.
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22:09 < rxr> hm my 2.5.15 kernel has unresolved syms for some modules sigh
22:10 < blindcoder> I'm off to bed... have a good rest
22:10 < esden> n8 blindcoder 
22:12 < tsa> cu blindcoder
22:14 < clifford> rxr: hieeeeeelfe!
22:14 < rxr> do we have some ROCK people in Taiwan?
22:14 < rxr> clifford:  ???
22:15 < clifford> ich schaff's nicht eine einfache aufname zu machen.
22:15 < clifford> ich fin'd den fader fuer den line in nicht ...
22:16 < rxr> clifford: oh wie soll ich dir dabei helfen ...
22:17 < esden> clifford: wie geht es eigentlich deinem elmbogen ?
22:17 < clifford> rxr: das hab' ich mir nocht nicht so genau ueberlegt :-)
22:17 < clifford> esden: ganz gut. Ich kann nur noch nicht wieder gitarre spielen
22:17 < clifford> (ich kann das handgelenk nicht weit genug verdrehen - aber das kommt auch noch)
22:18 < clifford> rxr: wlches device nimmt gsmp fuer die aufnahme?
22:18 < esden> clifford: dass ist irgendwie klar ... wird wieder ...
22:18 < rxr> device? das gleiche ALSA dsp device wie fuer die wiedergabe ..
22:18 < holyolli> clifford: kennst du denn einen weg, ne soundkarte mit maestro 2em anzusprechen?
22:22 < clifford> rxr: sollte sich im dialog "capture channel mix" was tun wenn daten vom line in kommen (ohne das gerade eine aufnahme laeuft)
22:23 < rxr> clifford: nein 
22:23 < rxr> aufnahme IO muss mit aktiviertem do_capture laufen
22:24 < clifford> aha.
22:24 * clifford routet das radio auf den eingang der soundkarte ..
22:24 < clifford> (ich liebe gute mischpulte)
22:25 < holyolli> clifford: was für ne soundkarte benutzt du denn?
22:25 < rxr> clifford: bei dir laeft den ganzen tag des mischpult 
22:25 < rxr> make
22:25 < rxr> ups
22:25 < holyolli> hehe
22:25 < tsa> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
22:25 < rxr> cvs SUCKS SUCKS CUSKCskda fghvfa
22:25 < holyolli> hi tsa
22:25 < rxr> shit
22:26 < tsa> hehe
22:26 < rxr> argh
22:27 < rxr> a new broken cvs working copy 
22:28 < clifford> rxr: nein. ich kann natuerlich auch ohne mischpult radio hoeren.
22:28 < holyolli> clifford?
22:28 * rxr wartet bis der cvs chekout fertig ist ...
22:29 < clifford> holyolli: ja?
22:30 < holyolli> clifford: was für ne soundkarte benutzt du denn?
22:31 < clifford> seit heute eine SB live.
22:31 < clifford> Heureka!
22:31 < clifford> rxr: ich bin schoen daemlich.
22:31 < holyolli> .oO(hoffentlich läuft clifford nicht gleich nackig durch die stadt (so wie archimedes..)) ;)
22:32 < clifford> ich hab' am mischpult das ganze (aus gewohnheit) nicht zum computer sondern zum mehrspurrecorder geroutet ..
22:32 < clifford> Outsch! Im radio renn "Always Hardcore" .. genau das brauch' ich jetzt.
22:33 < rxr> ;-)
22:33 * -> esden braucht mommentan "Murder on the Danceflore"
22:33 < rxr> ich brauch jetzt auch was gegen das dummige cvs kram - am besten wipe ...
22:34 * -> esden schaut fragend in die runde ...
22:34 * holyolli gibt esden ein stück internet mit www.edonkey2000.com
22:35 < huebi> re
22:35 < tsa> re huebi
22:35 < holyolli> hi huebi
22:35 < huebi> hi tsa 
22:35 < huebi> oh holyolli ;-)
22:35 < holyolli> *g*
22:36 < esden> holyolli: ja ich habe ag angeshmissen ... ich weiss aber mein passwort nicht mehr und auch nicht welche e-mail adresse ich benutzt habe ... 
22:36 < tsa> Sophie Ellis Bextor?
22:36 < tsa> passt das?
22:37 < holyolli> esden: *g*
22:37 < tsa> in grossen mengen vorhanden auf AG..
22:39 < zUnE-pizza> hej holyolli
22:39 < holyolli> hej zUnE-pizza
22:39 < holyolli> hur är laget? ;-)
22:39 < zUnE-pizza> allt väl?
22:39 < tsa> LANG=en
22:39 < tsa> LANG=en
22:39 < tsa> LANG=en
22:39 < tsa> !
22:39 < tsa> ;)
22:39 < holyolli> hehe
22:39 < zUnE-pizza> det är bra
22:39 < holyolli> ajo
22:40 < rxr> tsa: today is your LANG=en day =
22:40 < holyolli> *hm* and when is the LANG=se day? ;-)
22:40 < zUnE-pizza> LANG=zh_SG
22:41 < huebi> zUnE-pizza: hehe
22:41 < rxr> holyolli: in the night - when the .cr boys are alone ...
22:41 < huebi> zUnE-pizza: I hear...
22:41 < holyolli> rxr: se != es ;-)
22:41 < tsa> rxr: i know..
22:41 < rxr> holyolli: oh - my attention is on my avision.c XEmacs buffer ;-)
22:41 < tsa> bash: xemacs: command not found
22:42 < tsa> ;)
22:42 < holyolli> hehe
22:42 < rxr> tsa: sorry that you do not have an editor *g*
22:43 < tsa> rxr: you don't have to be sorry....i'm used to editing with cat, ^d and sed.. :-P
22:43 < huebi> echo: The unbeatable editor..
22:43 < tsa> oh..i am not alone, it seems ;)
22:43 < zUnE-pizza> and user friendly
22:43 < zUnE-pizza> perfect for the mouse ppl
22:44 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ whereis cat
22:44 < tsa> cat: /bin/cat 
22:44 < rxr> argh
22:44 < tsa> hm...incorrect
22:44 < tsa> cat is under the bed.
22:44 < holyolli> nack. cat is on the sofa
22:45 < zUnE-pizza> isnt it supposed to be the other way around?
22:45 < tsa> yours, perhaps..
22:45 < holyolli> jepp
22:45 < zUnE-pizza> cat in sofa, mouse hiding under bed
22:45 < tsa> hehe
22:45 < huebi> oO a year ago had somebody from sun to install a box. He did it allmost without a keybord. He only used the mouse.
22:46 < zUnE-pizza> installed what?
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22:46 -!- zUnE-pizza is now known as zUnE
22:46 < huebi> EIS - Enterprise Installation Service. If you get in contact with them be carefull. They get Windose running on a E10K ;-)
22:47 < huebi> even if you need solaris.
22:47 < zUnE> how nice of them
22:47 < zUnE> whats the cost?
22:48 < zUnE> ;)
22:48 < huebi> zUnE: Unbelievable high prices.
22:49 < huebi> It was at the "Deutsche Telekom" the biggest customer of SUN.
22:49 < zUnE> get windows running cant be that much worth,  click next three times.  and clean the mouse to get ready for the experience
22:49 < huebi> zUnE: I tried it on my Ultra 30 and it worked!
22:50 < zUnE> that suuux
22:50 < huebi> It's that easy!
22:50 < huebi> With a SUN-PCi Coprocessor board ;P
22:50 < huebi> hehe
22:51 < huebi> In the moment Sun has a big problem.
22:51 < tsa> no share in the workstation market.
22:51 < huebi> I had very bad experiences with them.
22:52 < zUnE> because its dark maybe?
22:52 < holyolli> hehe
22:52 < huebi> A while ago they introduced LOM - The Lights OUt Manager, hehehe
22:53 < huebi> Special plug on Netra X1
22:53 < zUnE> Lights out manager,  for the puch drunk!
22:53 < zUnE> a nice slogan
22:53 < zUnE> :)
22:54 < zUnE> Lights out manager, for the busy punch drunk admin
22:54 < zUnE> bofh compatible
22:55 < zUnE> hmm, im gonna go get a glass of wine
22:56 < huebi> SUN says: "Your admins are idiots. Take better our full service (with people you just fired) ;-))
22:59 < rxr> clifford: and what does your sound-card do ?
22:59 < esden> I got it !!!
22:59 < esden> yeppiii
22:59 < tsa> esden: ?
23:00 < tsa> huebi: so admins are now recommending to buy ibm/hp/compaq/whatever, i guess...
23:00 * -> esden hearing "Sophie Ellis Bextor - Murder On The Dancefloor"
23:01 < esden> tsa: i got AG to run on my laptop ... now I can leech mp3's at the uni
23:01 < tsa> hehe
23:01 < huebi> at T-Online in Weiterstadt, the biggest inernet provider in Germany they think load about IBM
23:01 < huebi> hehe
23:02 < tsa> huebi: it's very easy.
23:02 < tsa> admins are pissed off.
23:03 < tsa> new admins won't exist because sun stuff is just too expensive.
23:03 < tsa> guess what will happen..
23:03 * tsa introducing LOS - lights out sun ..
23:04 < tsa> sad but true.
23:04 < huebi> The SUN hardware is good, Solaris work fine on _big_ machines but the support Sun offers is worth only words I won't use here *g*
23:05 < huebi> tsa: light dimmed -53% last year...
23:05 < zUnE> openoffice 1.0, wonder how it compiles from source.
23:05 < huebi> zUnE: moment..
23:06 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/OpenOffice_build <- here I stoped ;-)))
23:07 < zUnE> stoped  ?
23:07 < huebi> # Install Berkeley DB 3.1.17 <- I got it not fixed
23:08 < tsa> hm....
23:08 < zUnE> that is build 642
23:08 < huebi> jar -cvf db31.jar db-$db_ver <- It must be a jar arechive..
23:08 < huebi> zUnE: Does not matter much
23:08 < tsa> i remember a lot of strange tools were needed when i tried to build OO about a year ago..
23:08 < tsa> dmake
23:08 < tsa> ..
23:08 < tsa> is this still the same?
23:08 < huebi> buil642 i meen
23:08 < huebi> tsa: yes
23:09 < tsa> huebi: ok, so it still sucks.
23:09 < huebi> but it's build automaticly
23:10 < huebi> It's uncommon _and_ the documentation is outdated.
23:11 < huebi> and the installer segfaults under ROCK
23:11 < huebi> for binary installation.
23:12 < huebi> has SMP been here again?
23:12 < rxr> huebi: i haven't seen him+
23:13 < huebi> OK. I call him tomorrow. Something bad must be happend.
23:13 < holyolli> uh..why?
23:13 < martin_> cu rxr
23:14 < tsa> huebi: hm..why do you think that? did he tell you he would show up here?
23:14 < huebi> holyolli: I think he is upset or something similar since the world disaster
23:15 < holyolli> "the world disaster"?
23:15 < tsa> holyolli: world.wronline.de afaik
23:15 < huebi> taACK
23:15 < huebi> ta ACK
23:15 < huebi> ta ACK
23:15 < huebi> tsa: ACK
23:15 < tsa> ?
23:15 < holyolli> hehe
23:15 < huebi> ahh.
23:15 < tsa> ROTFL.
23:15 < huebi> Thick fingers ;-(
23:15 < tsa> hehe ;)
23:16 < holyolli> "learning to control the own keyboard for dummies"
23:16 < tsa> what kind of machine was it, anyway?
23:16 < tsa> anything special?
23:16 < huebi> SMP's "I do all with it server"
23:17 < tsa> oh-oh
23:17 < holyolli> why disaster happend to him?
23:17 < holyolli> s/why/which
23:17 < tsa> holyolli: lvm problems, if i remeber correctly..
23:17 < huebi> And usually he has been here. 
23:18 < huebi> holyolli: Wracked harddisks/data while hardware upgrade ;(
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23:18 < holyolli> huebi: args
23:18 < huebi> lvmove did not work
23:19 < tsa> hope he didn't loose any important data without having a backup..
23:19 < huebi> I hope so too
23:20 < holyolli> .oO(backup...das sollte ich auch mal wieder machen)
23:21 < tsa> hm...
23:21 < tsa> https://www.wronline.de/kontakt/index.php3?empfaenger=Paletta@WRonline.de
23:21 < tsa> interesting URL for their contact form
23:22 * tsa testing...will this send mail to myself?
23:28 < esden> is clifford around ?
23:44 < esden> cu all
23:44 < holyolli> cu esden
23:45 < zUnE> ok.. openoffice 1.0 building..  lets see how far i can go
23:45 < zUnE> ;)
23:45 < holyolli> hehe
23:46 < huebi> zUnE: What did you do for db 3.2.9?
23:47 < zUnE> berkely db is included in the sources,  but it bombed out on its own compile of the same
23:47 < zUnE> right now
23:47 < zUnE> heheea
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