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--- Log opened Sun May 26 00:00:17 2002
--- Day changed Sun May 26 2002
00:00 < rxr2> it might be much easier to bootstap the dist in a native 64 bit environment ...
00:12 < hackbard> okay
00:13 < hackbard> which packages did you succeed to build by now?
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00:14 < rxr2> hackbard: currently I rebuild a statically linked version of all ...
00:15 < hackbard> i see
00:15 < rxr2> IIRC m4 time failed
00:15 < rxr2> and there was another one I forgot ...
00:17 < huebi> rxr2: patch
00:19 < rxr2> ah yes
00:21 < huebi> dump-config is now CVS proof.
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00:22 < huebi> I want to build in the local CVS tree. It's easier to commit changes then.
00:25 < huebi> == 00:24:42 =[3]=> Building base package mozilla [1.0rc3 1.5.15].
00:27 < rxr2> hackbard: new gnome+ fixes online in my tree
00:27 < rxr2> now most stuff might compile ...
00:28 < rxr2> argh I wanne get my nick back ....
00:29 -!- rxr2 is now known as rxr_hack
00:29 < tsa> hehe
00:29 < tsa> what happened to the other client with your nick?
00:30 < rxr_hack> hm - I don't know. This is all cuased by the DSL troubles ...
00:30 < rxr_hack> I do not see a rxr here ... ?!?
00:30 < tsa> [rxr] (~rene@213.20.132.125) : Rene Rebe
00:30 < tsa> --- [rxr] irc.openprojects.net :https://www.openprojects.net/
00:30 < tsa> --- [rxr] idle 03:06:46, signon: Sat May 25 21:21:50
00:30 < tsa> --- [rxr] End of WHOIS list.
00:30 < tsa> no. not here.
00:30 < tsa> not on any channel at all.
00:31 < tsa> but still present on the server.
00:31 < hackbard_> if you registred ur name you may kill it
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00:33 < hackbard> then compiling all stuff dynamically now doesnt make sence ..
00:33 < tsa> huebi: still awake?
00:33 < rxr_hack> hackbard: no
00:33 < huebi> tsa: jo
00:33 < rxr_hack> hm my current ip is 213.20.132.125 anyway ...
00:33 < tsa> huebi: any idea why the sun doesn't produce shared libraries?
00:34 < rxr_hack> tsa: what do you mean?
00:34 < tsa> i get .a and .la stuff, but no .so's ..
00:34 < huebi> tsa: No, no idea
00:36 < tsa> hm...ok.
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00:53 < rxr_hack> 20kB patches are out to cliff ...
00:55 < tsa> aaaaah!
00:56 < tsa> ncurses needs an additional --with-shared.
00:57 < rxr_hack> hackbard: if you search s.th to do, you can fix gettext, m4, patch, ... for sparc64 :-)
00:58 < hackbard> okay, buti am still compiling glibc :)
00:59 < hackbard> if i once get the error messages - no problem
00:59 < hackbard> *joke*
01:00 < rxr_hack> == 00:20:21 =[1]=> Building base/m4 [1.4 1.7.0-DEV-200205230935].
01:00 < rxr_hack> Reading package configuration from m4.conf.
01:00 < rxr_hack> Preparing build in /rock-linux/src.m4.1022365218.24087.4129524407
01:00 < rxr_hack> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-m4.out
01:00 < rxr_hack> > sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -o m4 m4.o builtin.o debug.o eval.o f ..
01:00 < rxr_hack> > collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]
01:00 < rxr_hack> > stackovf.o: In function `setup_stackovf_trap':
01:00 < rxr_hack> > _SC_REALTIME_SIGNALS/stackovf.c:343: the `sigstack' function is dang ..
01:00 < rxr_hack> > builtin.o: In function `m4_maketemp':
01:00 < rxr_hack> > _G_int32_t/builtin.c:1082: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better ..
01:00 < rxr_hack> > make[1]: *** [m4] Error 1
01:00 < rxr_hack> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src.m4.1022365218.24087.4129 ..
01:00 < rxr_hack> > make: *** [all] Error 1
01:00 < rxr_hack> > Command returned exit status 2.
01:01 < rxr_hack> $root/var/adm/logs/1-m4.out -> 1-m4.err
01:01 < rxr_hack> == 05/26/02 00:23:23 =[1]=> Aborted building package m4.
01:01 < rxr_hack> == 00:23:26 =[1]=> Building base/gettext [0.11.2 1.7.0-DEV-200205230935].
01:01 < rxr_hack> Reading package configuration from gettext.conf.
01:01 < rxr_hack> Preparing build in /rock-linux/src.gettext.1022365403.26021.3265854302
01:01 < rxr_hack> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-gettext.out
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01:01 < rxr_hack> > itimerspec/setlocale.c:219: multiple definition of `setlocale'
01:01 < rxr_hack> > setlocale.o:__time_t/setlocale.c:110: first defined here
01:01 < rxr_hack> > /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-sparc64-cross-generic-expert/too ..
01:01 < rxr_hack> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
01:01 < rxr_hack> > make[2]: *** [tstgettext] Error 1
01:01 < rxr_hack> > make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src.gettext.1022365403.26021 ..
01:01 < rxr_hack> > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
01:01 < rxr_hack> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src.gettext.1022365403.26021 ..
01:01 < rxr_hack> > make: *** [all] Error 2
01:01 < rxr_hack> > Command returned exit status 2.
01:01 < rxr_hack> $root/var/adm/logs/1-gettext.out -> 1-gettext.err
01:01 < rxr_hack> == 05/26/02 00:40:31 =[1]=> Aborted building package gettext.
01:01 < rxr_hack> much fun :-)
01:01 < hackbard> :)
01:02 < tsa> # ldd less
01:02 < tsa> libintl.so.1 => /usr/lib/libintl.so.1
01:02 < tsa> libgen.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgen.so.1
01:02 < tsa> libncurses.so.5 => (file not found)
01:02 < tsa> libc.so.1 => /usr/lib/libc.so.1
01:02 < tsa> libdl.so.1 => /usr/lib/libdl.so.1
01:02 < tsa> /usr/platform/SUNW,Ultra-5_10/lib/libc_psr.so.1
01:02 < tsa> *grrrr*
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01:07 < rxr_hack> ok I'll tank sleep now cu in some hours :-)
01:08 < rxr_hack> hackbard: wow statically linked 64bit bash works ;-)
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01:09 < hackbard> cool!
01:09 * rxr_hack looking forward to boot a Stage-1 1.7 sparc64 ROCK after sleep .-)
01:09 < hackbard> okay, gn1 rene
01:09 < hackbard> nice to hear that
01:10 < rxr_hack> although still statically linked - but it shows that gcc-3.1 generats vaild code, and that the glibc sparc64 works in theory
01:10 < rxr_hack> what is wrong with the dynamic linker is the next todo to find out ...
01:11 < rxr_hack> but when we have luck this is only caused by accidently intermixing some 32bit libc .... in this host system ...
01:11 < rxr_hack> ok good night ...
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01:12 < hackbard> what would be proofed if you were able to build dynamically linked bins tommorrow ..
01:12 < hackbard> yo, n8!
01:12 < tsa> Ah!
01:12 < tsa> <- happy
01:13 < tsa> on solaris, you mustn't use gnu ld.
01:20 < huebi> tsa: schoen
01:20 < tsa> huebi: der ld von binutils taugt da nicht.
01:20 < tsa> gilt uebrigens auch fuer das strip. das rafft die symbole des solaris-linkers wohl nicht.
01:21 < tsa> /usr/ccs/bin nach ganz vorne in $PATH.
01:21 < huebi> tsa: ok
01:21 < tsa> dann laeuft strip, ld..
01:24 < tsa> ..und bei libraries, die gelinkt werden sollen, muessen in LDFLAGS die entsprechenden verzeichnisse mit -L _und_ -R angegeben werden.
01:41 < [-dalai-]> n8
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01:45 < tsa> *gaehn*
01:55 < esden> re hi all
01:56 < huebi> hi esden
01:56 < esden> hi huebi
01:56 < esden> "Red Hat Files for Software Patents" *kopfschuettel*
01:56 < huebi> Es sieht so aus als waere rock 1.5 jetzt cvs-fest
01:57 < esden> huebi: cool
01:57 < huebi> hmm, noch nicht ganz
01:57 < huebi> == 05/26/02 01:56:38 =[S]=> Aborted building subdistribution rescue. <- Die geht noch nicht.
01:58 < esden> dass wirst du auch noch mit links fixen ;-)
01:58 < huebi> hehe
02:00 < tsa> hehe
02:02 < esden> yooo 2.5.18 is able to suspend to ram ... is it really new ?
02:02 < esden> seems so ...
02:02 < esden> that is really cool for my laptop ...
02:02 < esden> I should finally test the 2.5 tree
02:04 < huebi> esden, the data killer
02:05 < esden> huebi: and you are better what ? ;-)
02:06 < esden> huebi: you could write an artickle about who I am ... alpha assasin ... data killer ... and what will come next ?
02:10 < tsa> Grr.
02:10 < tsa> ncurses sucks.
02:10 < tsa> needs Makefiles edited in the subdirectories, too.
02:11 < tsa> -R, -L ..
02:11 < tsa> *sigh*
02:11 < esden> tsa: ncurses ... *no_comment*
02:11 < tsa> isn't this supposed to be done by autoconf/automake?
02:11 < rxr_zzZZ> esden: the last time I tested swsuspend it did not worked for me ...
02:11 < tsa> esden: hehe....
02:12 < tsa> esden: your install_bin, right?
02:12 < rxr_zzZZ> but I'll test 2.5.18 tomorrow ... 2.5.17 did not compile ...
02:12 < esden> tsa: how have you guessed that ;-)
02:12 < tsa> esden: hehe.
02:12 < tsa> esden: did you ever try to compile some stuff on solaris?
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02:12 < tsa> re chrisime
02:13 < esden> rxr_zzZZ: tell me when you are successfull please
02:13 < esden> tsa: yes ...
02:13 < esden> tsa: I had no real problems
02:13 < tsa> esden: it took me some time to find out about how the solaris linker works..
02:14 < esden> I have compiled bash, screen and vim
02:14 < tsa> every damn -L needs a -R
02:14 < esden> but I used gcc and glibc for it
02:14 < esden> noo sorry
02:14 < esden> it was the solaris libc
02:17 < chrisime> hi esden
02:17 < chrisime> jo rxr_zzZZ
02:17 < chrisime> eeks
02:18 < chrisime> tsa: ..
02:18 < esden> hi chrisime
02:19 < chrisime> esden: du hast kein info4?!
02:19 < chrisime> weiss das nimmer
02:19 < esden> chrisime: nein
02:20 < chrisime> hmm
02:20 < esden> chrisime: ich habe hm2 info2 und betriebsysteme
02:20 < esden> warum ?
02:20 < chrisime> ich muss mal bison checken, da kann man nette sachen machen, so importfilter schreiben zum bleistift
02:20 < chrisime> sind chomsly2 grammatiken
02:20 < chrisime> chomsky
02:20 < chrisime> also kontextfreie
02:21 < esden> ja ich habe mir auch schon mal bissel die dokuf fuer flex und bison durchgelesen ... aber ich glaube da faehlt mir noch ein bissel grundwissen :-(
02:22 < chrisime> genau
02:22 < chrisime> flex is so ne art reg exp zeugs hab ich grad gehoert
02:22 < chrisime> in bison kann ich schoen meine produktionen hinschreiben
02:22 < chrisime> bison braucht (f)lex
02:23 < chrisime> is lustig. brauchts zum parsen
02:23 < chrisime> zum parsen der produktionen
02:23 < esden> ja .. dass habe ich auch so verstanden ..
02:23 < chrisime> mit lex brauchst nix
02:23 < chrisime> das ist gleich C code
02:23 < chrisime> bison erstellt mit hilfe von flex und den produktionen C code
02:24 < esden> aber wie gesagt ... dass ist noch bissel schworze materie fuer mich ... :-( ... ich hoffe dass aendert sich noch ...
02:24 < chrisime> hab n gutes script zu formale sprachen
02:25 < chrisime> das ist net so verworren wie die info4 vorlesung
02:42 < tsa> Rock Linux is now available on www.linuxcd.org
02:42 < tsa> Cool!
02:42 < huebi> *click*
02:42 < chrisime> fuck, mein monitor faengt spinnen an. wie vor 3 jahren
02:43 < chrisime> ich hoff er geht jetzt net kaputt :(
02:43 < chrisime> it's already 7 years old
02:43 < esden> *click*
02:44 < chrisime> ?
02:44 < esden> woot
02:45 < chrisime> ?
02:45 < esden> lol
02:45 < esden> was verstahst du nicht mein freund ?
02:46 < chrisime> dich
02:46 < esden> da bist du nicht der einzige ;-)
02:46 < chrisime> arg.das nervt wenn das bild so komisch zittert
02:50 * huebi sieht gerade The ROCK
02:57 < tsa> hm?
02:57 * tsa quaelt weiterhin den gcc..
02:58 < tsa> vim.
02:58 < tsa> oh-oh, das gibt wieder aerger...
02:58 < huebi> hehe
02:58 < huebi> subdists/rescue/build-subdist.sh <- braucht auch noch gebastel.
02:59 < esden> tsa: du meinst dass es probleme machet wird ? oder was anderes ?
02:59 < tsa> esden: jupp. vim wird probleme machen.
03:00 < tsa> der linkt gegen ncurses, dass heisst, ich muss mindestens wieder -R nachtragen in den makefiles..
03:00 < esden> ich hatte keine probleme ... bis auf dass dass irgendwie nicht ganz die ansi farben rueberkommen ...
03:01 < esden> aber wenn ich screen starte und darin vim benutze geht alles einwandfrei ... ich hatte keinen bock dem problem auf den grund zu gehen ... ich war dazu zu faul ;-)
03:03 < esden> soo soo ... ich koennte ins betti gehen eigentlich ... aber ich habe irgendwie keine lust ...
03:03 < tsa> hehe.
03:03 * -> esden will natalie portman treffen ... grml ...
03:03 < esden> *traeum* ...
03:03 < tsa> naja, vielleicht war bei dir ja ncurses in /usr/lib installiert, dann sollte der solaris ld das vermutlich von alleine hinkriegen..
03:04 < esden> hmm kann sein ...
03:04 < esden> ich hatte zumindest root auf der kiste ;-)
03:05 < tsa> hehe.
03:05 * -> esden installiert nichts auf kisten wo er keinen root hat ... oder zumindest sudo ... aus ueberzeugung ;-)
03:06 < tsa> och...dabei kann man mit LD_* soo viel machen..
03:06 < chrisime> ich geh ins bett
03:06 < chrisime> bin mued
03:06 < tsa> cu chrisime
03:06 < chrisime> n8
03:06 < tsa> bis spaeter irgendwann..
03:06 < esden> n8 chrisime
03:06 < chrisime> evtl.
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03:06 < rxr_me> kann nicht schlafen...
03:07 < rxr_me> dum di dum
03:07 < tsa> hehe
03:07 < rxr_me> dann baue ich hallt ROCK weiter :-)
03:07 < tsa> export CC = rxr_me ?
03:07 < tsa> ;-)
03:08 < rxr_me> auf meinen Atthlon (-> Intel build) nur noch 27 errors bisher -> most Gnome2 stuff kompiliert jetst :-)
03:09 < tsa> hm....das klingt ja gar nicht mal schlecht..
03:10 < tsa> was denkst du, wie lange du fuer den gnome 2 kram noch brauchen wirst?
03:11 < rxr_me> oeh in ein paar tagen sollte alles kompilieren. Wie benutzbar Gnome2 dann ist haengt nicht von mir ab - da musst du die Gnome Leute fragen ...
03:12 < tsa> hehe
03:15 * rxr_me installiert mal ROCK 1.7 udn BeOS auf seinem Laptop ...
03:16 < rxr_me> BeOS liegt uebrigens auch auf meinem drocklinux.dyndns.org server rum (inkl. Dano) ich werde mir jetzt dano endlich mal ansehen
03:17 < rxr_me> mal schauen ob das wirklich ein update oder ein hoax war ...
03:17 < tsa> was soll denn dano sein?
03:19 < rxr_me> son nein inofizielles 5.1 Release, was angelblich nach der Uebernahme druch Palm noch an die Oeffentlichkeit gesickert ist ...
03:19 < rxr_me> s/nein/nen/
03:19 < tsa> achso..
03:20 < tsa> export LDFLAGS="-L/opt/sfw/lib -R/opt/sfw/lib -L/opt/misc/lib -R/opt/misc/lib"
03:20 < tsa> ich wusste es!
03:20 < tsa> also nochmal von vorne..
03:29 < rxr_me> oh:
03:29 < rxr_me> sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -o m4 m4.o builtin.o debug.o eval.o format.o freeze.o input.o macro.o output.o path.o stackovf.o symtab.o ../lib/libm4.a
03:29 < rxr_me> collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]
03:30 < tsa> ARRRRRGHHH!
03:30 < tsa> naechster versuch.
03:32 < tsa> die idee eines hardgecodeten library-path's ist ja eigentlich gar nicht mal so schlecht..
03:33 < tsa> erfordert bloss eine ganze menge bastelei..
03:34 < rxr_me> cool net-tools sparc64 auch fertig
03:35 < tsa> hm....wir sollten auch mal durchsehen, was wir so ueberall rumpatchen und das dann auch an die entsprechenden maintainer weiterleiten...
03:35 < rxr_me> \thesun:/rock-linux # ./scripts/Create-ErrList
03:35 < rxr_me> Error logs from build/default-1.7.0-DEV-sparc64-cross-generic-expert/root/var/adm/logs:
03:35 < rxr_me> [1] base/m4 [1] base/gettext [1] base/fileutils
03:35 < rxr_me> 37 builds total, 34 completed fine, 3 with errors.
03:36 < tsa> grade bei sowas wie ports auf bisher quasi unerschlossene architekturen..
03:36 < tsa> vielleicht nehmen sie es ja mit ins naechste release auf, dann bleibt uns die patcherei erspart und wir tun der Welt auch noch was gutes..
03:37 < tsa> wir sind auf dem Weg zur besten und saubersten Distribution der Welt..
03:38 < rxr_me> tsa: hehe ich weiss :-)
03:40 < rxr_me> tsa: wir brauchen nur viel mehr PR - vor allem kotzen mich viele RedHat und Co Entwickler an, die oft detailfragen (wie z.B. Sparc64 und so) total frazig ablehen (nach dem Motte wir sind die Goetter, und wer das ncith weiss ist total doof) ...
03:40 < tsa> jupp....das ist teilweise echt uebel....
03:41 < tsa> verallgemeinern kann man es aber auch nicht....dave miller von RH ist so ziemlich der gott schlechthin bezueglich linux aUF sparc
03:41 < tsa> libcurses.so.1 => /usr/lib/libcurses.so.1
03:41 < tsa> SCHEISSE,
03:42 < rxr_me> ja aber gerade davem kommentiert auf linux-kernel immer arg "kurz"
03:43 < tsa> auf sparc-linux geht es eigentlich..
03:44 < rxr_me> hehe ich bin seit ein paar tagen auch ultra-sparc ...
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03:44 < d3mian> hola :)
03:44 < rxr_me> vielleicht sollte ich mich auf sparc-linux auch mal subscriben ...
03:44 < rxr_me> hola d3mian
03:45 < d3mian> hi rxr_me
03:45 < tsa> hm....kannst du eigentlich problemlos machen. ich lese das bisher nur interessehalber mit, ist nicht allzuviel los..
03:46 < capchaos> moin d3mian
03:46 < tsa> hola d3mian
03:46 < d3mian> hi
03:49 < tsa> oh-oh.
03:49 < tsa> it seems i fucked up something here.
03:49 < tsa> brb...i hope.
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03:55 < tsa> re
03:55 < d3mian> wb tsa
03:55 < d3mian> what was the prob?
03:55 < tsa> ok...a new lesson learned.
03:56 < huebi> good night. I just started a new build. A final test for the CVS awareness. If it compiles I commit it to cvs in 6h
03:56 < tsa> _Never_ play around as root when trying to compile software.
03:56 < tsa> an empty /usr/lib/libcurses.so isn't fun.
03:56 < huebi> tsa: jo!
03:57 < tsa> just found a very good reason not to change root's shell to something else than /sbin/sh
03:57 < d3mian> nice huebi
03:57 < tsa> i was lucky because we use solaris8 at university and i could just scp the file and replace it.
03:59 < tsa> cu huebi..
03:59 < tsa> until ${time_after_sleeping}
04:05 < tsa> aehmm..
04:05 < tsa> das ist schon 4?
04:06 < tsa> ich geh auch mal pennen.
04:06 < tsa> bis nachher irgendwann....wann auch immer ich dann mal ausgeschlafen haben werde...
04:06 < tsa> hab gar nich mitgekriegt, dass das schon so spaet ist..
04:06 < tsa> cu.
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04:08 < d3mian> cu
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04:35 < hackbard> n8
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04:37 < rxr_me> n8
04:42 < rxr_me> fileutils fixed for static build on sparc64 ...
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06:27 < lkthomas> hey all
06:27 < lkthomas> I have a question
06:27 < lkthomas> I got a snapshot package from rocklinux
06:28 < lkthomas> but does it have any problem if I compile in a distro that I am using now?
06:29 < lkthomas> hey ?
06:36 < lkthomas> ??
06:36 < lkthomas> hello ?
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11:01 < huebi> moin
11:09 < huebi> libxslt-1.0.17 is now fixed in 1.5
11:11 < esden> hi all
11:12 < huebi> moin esden
11:12 * huebi the moin-bot
11:13 < huebi> esden: Hast du gut geschlafen?
11:32 < huebi> galeon is updated from 1.2.1 to 1.2.3
11:33 < huebi> it did not work together with mozilla 1.0rc3
11:50 < huebi> Nautilus does not work with the new mozilla. ;(
11:50 < huebi> mozilla-components.cpp:65: no matching function for call to `nsDerivedSafe<nsILocalFile>::InitWithPath (const char *&)'
12:02 < huebi> reading a diff of a patched patch is quite funny ;-)
12:10 < rxr_me_> moin huebi
12:10 < huebi> moin rene
12:10 < huebi> ;-)
12:10 < rxr_me_> lkthomas: hi
12:12 < rxr_me_> you might get problems when you for example compile with a very broken gcc 2.96.x or programs like awk are not the GNU version ...
12:13 < rxr_me_> and you build distro needs to have a devfs ready kernel.
12:13 < rxr_me_> huebi: nautilus doe not work with anyu mozilla for a year now ...
12:15 < rxr_me_> but in the last year the configure script did not detected mozilla - only with the 1.0.x mozilla versions nautilus enables the totalz screwed up mozilla code ...
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12:16 < huebi> rxr_me: Did you made a patch for nautilus?
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12:31 < bluefire_> Ahh... is ja schon wieder Tag...
12:31 < bluefire_> Moin allesamt
12:31 < huebi> bluefire_: ;-)
12:37 < esden> huebi: ja ich habe gut geschlafen ... aber wie immer zu wenig ... :-(
12:37 < huebi> esden: schoen
12:38 < esden> und du ?
12:38 < huebi> Ich habe gut und lange 7h geschlafen.
12:38 < esden> rxr_me: are you here ?
12:38 < esden> huebi: dass nennt man lange ?
12:39 < esden> huebi: brauchst du wirklich so wenig schlaf ?
12:39 < huebi> esden: Wenn ich laenger als 9h schlafe, bekomme ich Rueckenschmerzen. Meistens
12:39 < esden> ohh ... autsch ... schmerzhaft ...
12:40 < huebi> esden: Ich habe gestern tagsueber ca 8 h geschlafen. Da war ich schoen fit letzte nacht.
12:40 < esden> wenn du so wenig schlaefst ... faellst du dann nicht auf die nase ?
12:41 < esden> aso ... du machst dir aus einem tag 2 tage ...
12:42 < rxr_me> esden: ja ?
12:42 < rxr_me> werde aber erstmal schnell duschen gehen .> bis gleich :-)
12:47 < huebi> Die Java Station Krups hat fast 100 BogoMips. Gar nicht so richtig langsam ;-)
13:00 < esden> rxr_me: irgendwas wallte ich von dir ...
13:00 < esden> aja ... hast du in 1.7 schon mozilla upgedated ... ?
13:00 < esden> denn ich habe in dem letzten snap noch 1.0rc2
13:01 < esden> wenn ich jetzt den huebi richtig verstanden habe dann ist 1.0rc3 schon raus ...
13:01 < esden> richtig huebi
13:01 < esden> ?
13:01 < huebi> esden: Jo. ;-)
13:01 < huebi> dein patches sollten weiterhin funktionieren.
13:05 < rxr_me> esden: ja - auch inkl. deinem patch :-)
13:09 < esden> asoe ... ich habe schon gedacht dass ihr meinen patch ignoriert habt ;-)
13:16 < rxr_me> esden: aber nein *g*
13:17 < esden> ach wie gnaedig von euch ;-)
13:19 < rxr_me> hae?
13:20 < esden> gnaedig dass ich nicht vergessen werde ...
13:23 < rxr_me> ah :-)
13:23 < rxr_me> irgendwas sucked hier (gcc3 sparc ...)
14:31 < lkthomas> so when I build rocklinux in another distro, it will auto gen an rocklinux iso for me ?
14:32 < huebi> lkthomas: jo.
14:32 < huebi> rocklinux 1.5. rock 1.7 does not completly work
14:34 < lkthomas> crack, I am using 1.7 src tarball now
14:34 < huebi> then there is no "automatic" - happy hacking
14:34 < lkthomas> huebi: so can I install precompiled rocklinux iso to install then rebuild the whole system ?
14:35 < huebi> lkthomas: sure, thats the easiest way.
14:35 < huebi> lkthomas: moment
14:35 < lkthomas> huebi: but iso are gone in all mirror site
14:36 < lkthomas> huebi: what method can I choose to install then?!? kind of confusing
14:44 < lkthomas> ??
14:44 < huebi> lkthomas:
14:44 < lkthomas> where can I grab iso now ?!?
14:44 < huebi> lkthomas: ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15.iso <- take this one
14:44 < lkthomas> OK
14:45 < lkthomas> hold
14:45 < lkthomas> is it have any USA/Canada iso mirror ?
14:46 < huebi> lkthomas: Please read the readme. The script "Install" is broken. So you have to start the installation manually
14:46 < lkthomas> WTF ?!?
14:46 < lkthomas> installation script are broken ?!?
14:46 < lkthomas> so does the readme tell me how to install ?
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14:46 < huebi> lkthomas: Only the script to invoke install_bin
14:47 < lkthomas> rocklinux are sucks in docs
14:47 < huebi> lkthomas: ACK
14:47 < lkthomas> huebi: does the readme tell me how to manually install them ?
14:47 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/readme tells you how to start the installation.
14:48 < lkthomas> Install
14:48 < lkthomas> the following:
14:48 < lkthomas> install_bin /src/rock-1.5 /trg
14:48 < lkthomas> so using install_bin ?
14:48 < lkthomas> not Install
14:48 < lkthomas> right ?
14:48 < huebi> lkthomas: Yes
14:48 < lkthomas> good, fair enought
14:48 < lkthomas> huebi:
14:49 < lkthomas> is it possible to rebuild rocklinux my own after install precompiled rl ?
14:49 < huebi> lkthomas: Yes of course
14:50 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/sources/rock-src-1.5.14/Documentation/INSTALL <- The whole installation process
14:51 < huebi> lkthomas: The point 3 is broken
14:52 < capchaos> huebi: when are you going to update the URLs ? e.g. there is no prdownloads.net/<package>/<package>.tar.gz ;9
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14:52 < huebi> capchaos: Which urls?
14:53 < capchaos> in 1.5.15
14:53 < huebi> capchaos: Where?
14:53 < huebi> capchaos: Which url?
14:53 < capchaos> base-archive/INDEX .. but most broken are in ext-archive/INDEX
14:54 < huebi> base-archive/INDEX <- is fine!
14:54 < capchaos> hm
14:54 < capchaos> yes mostly
14:54 < capchaos> but ext-archive/INDEX lacks quite some
14:55 < huebi> capchaos: next week we will have a new master mirror. So broken URL's should not be the problem then.
14:55 < capchaos> 29 URLs of the broken ones depend on prdownloads.net...
14:55 < huebi> ext is not my responsibility.
14:55 < capchaos> who's then?
14:55 < huebi> capchaos: the respective maintainer ;-)
14:56 < capchaos> lol okay
14:56 < huebi> capchaos> 29 URLs of the broken ones depend on prdownloads.net...
14:56 < huebi> capchaos> 29 URLs of the broken ones depend on prdownloads.net... <- Where?
14:56 < huebi> capchaos: complete information, please!
14:56 < capchaos> hum i guess there're all in ext-archive/INDEX
14:56 < huebi> capchaos: fix it and send a patch.
14:57 < capchaos> hm
14:59 < huebi> capchaos: Please find out what _exactly_ does not work. Then find a solution for that and then tell me how to fix it. I have not the time to discuss problems. I only spend time on solutions!
14:59 < capchaos> okay.
14:59 < huebi> urls brake faster than they are fixable for one person ;-)
15:01 < huebi> base+opt are ~280 Urls. Just to keep these ones is almost impossible for one person. s/brake/breake/
15:09 < lkthomas> come on man, how come there have an installation docs, but not in rocklinux offical site..
15:09 < lkthomas> how many developer are working on ports trees ?
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15:10 < huebi> lkthomas: Very easy ;-) No time for the documentation stuff
15:10 < huebi> lkthomas: about 10 to 20
15:11 < huebi> i think 10
15:12 < lkthomas> 10 for what ?
15:12 < lkthomas> huebi: yes, after I saw the docs, nothing is hard at all'
15:12 < huebi> lkthomas: the ports to other platforms than Intel
15:12 < lkthomas> OH..
15:12 < lkthomas> no, I mean the ports tree for application
15:13 < lkthomas> huebi: how can I rebuild the whole system after install precompile rocklinux ?
15:14 < huebi> lkthomas: I don't know. I maintain 1.5 - 1.6. But that only means all that which is on the bas+opt CD
15:14 < lkthomas> huh ?
15:14 < huebi> lkthomas: more precise , please ;-)
15:15 < lkthomas> hmmmmmmm
15:16 < lkthomas> huebi: OK, how can I rebuild then ? any docs can help ?
15:16 < huebi> jo.. mom
15:16 < lkthomas> K
15:17 < lkthomas> sounds it's a really good distro AFTER read the docs
15:17 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/sources/rock-src-1.5.14/Documentation/Guide/GUIDE.html
15:18 < huebi> lkthomas: You could see in Rocklinux more a distribution build kit. You can really buil Rock _exactly_ for the purposes you need it.
15:18 < lkthomas> yep
15:19 < lkthomas> OH, I got that guide before
15:19 < lkthomas> but which section that I actally need ?
15:19 < lkthomas> tons of build method
15:19 < lkthomas> script/BUILD
15:19 < lkthomas> ...
15:21 * huebi searching
15:23 < lkthomas> A work around, if you have enough disk space, is to download one of the ROCK rescue binaries (50 Mb) which give you a full build system. Install it and boot into it and you almost done. It may be even easier if you have a binary ROCK image on CDROM to kick off with. ROCK builds easily on an existing ROCK installation.
15:23 < lkthomas> what is rescue binary ?
15:23 < lkthomas> like tmpfs ?
15:23 < huebi> lkthomas: dON'T KONOW
15:24 < lkthomas> LoL....
15:25 < lkthomas> OK then, would you mind to help me to take a look where can I find docs about rebuild the whole rocklinux
15:25 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/BUILD
15:25 < rxr_me> lkthomas: rescue image is a ROCK sub-distribution ...
15:25 < rxr_me> no not tempfs ...
15:25 < huebi> I never used rescue.
15:26 < lkthomas> rxr_me: I can build the whole rocklinux from that image disc ?
15:26 < huebi> lkthomas: you have to download _all_ the sources.
15:26 < lkthomas> hmmmmmmmm
15:26 < lkthomas> I still do not understand
15:27 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/BUILD <- read this!
15:27 < rxr_me> lkthomas: it is not an image. it is a tar.bz2 you can extract wherever you want ...
15:27 < lkthomas> but..
15:27 < rxr_me> you coudl chroot into it, or boot into it ...
15:27 < rxr_me> yes you can build ROCK in it ...
15:27 < lkthomas> rxr_me: I try that before, but too scare
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15:28 < rxr_me> when you build in an other system (like red hat) you need a devfs kernel - so our build script can mount it in the chroot environment ...
15:28 < lkthomas> huebi: I got that docs before
15:28 < lkthomas> hmmmmmmmm
15:28 < lkthomas> rxr_me: nevermind anyway, because I am downloading precompiled binary iso now
15:29 < lkthomas> rxr_me: can you tell me how to rebuild rocklinux after the installation ?
15:29 < lkthomas> huebi: that's for chroot method
15:29 < lkthomas> not for installed rocklinux system
15:30 < hackbard> moin
15:30 < lkthomas> .... moring
15:30 < lkthomas> HEY MAN
15:30 < lkthomas> heh
15:31 < lkthomas> all are sleep....
15:31 < lkthomas> sleeping...
15:31 < lkthomas> let me ask again
15:31 < lkthomas> how can I rebuild the whole world in a installed rocklinux system ?
15:32 < hackbard> ./scripts/Build-Target ? :)
15:33 < lkthomas> that's for chroot method
15:33 < lkthomas> not for precompiled binary installation
15:33 < huebi> lkthomas: does'n matter
15:34 < hackbard> rxr_me: btw, glibc broke for the same reason, also with ur tree - i think i am doing something compületly wrong
15:34 < lkthomas> huebi: OH ? precompiled install also have script dir ?
15:34 < hackbard> lkthomas: yes
15:35 * hackbard breakfast ..
15:35 < lkthomas> heh, good
15:36 < lkthomas> hackbard: so I just need to do ./script/Download -all ?
15:36 < lkthomas> -all or -base or -required ?
15:37 < capchaos> lkthomas: and update your urls!
15:37 < lkthomas> capchaos: I know, it will auto update when I first time to run
15:37 < lkthomas> capchaos: but which tqag should I use ?
15:38 < capchaos> dunno
15:38 < lkthomas> tag
15:38 < lkthomas> errr
15:38 < lkthomas> what are you using anyway ?
15:38 < capchaos> tag?
15:39 < lkthomas> > ./script/Download -all or -required or -base ?
15:39 < capchaos> right now i am going off with rene's dRock 1.6rc3
15:39 < capchaos> .iso
15:39 < capchaos> lkthomas: depends on your needs
15:40 < lkthomas> capchaos: workstation
15:40 < lkthomas> capchaos: possible to explain a libble bit of that 3 options ?
15:41 < capchaos> well, i'm going to build a workstation from 1.5.15, too. but i am still seeking for the broken url packages
15:41 < lkthomas> capchaos: so you are using Download -all ?
15:41 < lkthomas> or base ?
15:41 < capchaos> right
15:41 < capchaos> -all
15:41 < lkthomas> good, Thank you.
15:42 < lkthomas> -all doesn't included another optional package, right ?
15:42 < lkthomas> like X, mozilla..etc
15:42 < lkthomas> you need to grab it from the ports tree
15:42 < lkthomas> huebi: still there ?
15:43 < lkthomas> capchaos: don't leave please, still have some question want to ask
15:43 < lkthomas> capchaos: if I want to rebuild the whole system and auto install it, do I need to use local NFS to mount it ?
15:43 < lkthomas> the docs say I should
15:44 < capchaos> i'm a n00b on rock, just as you are ;->
15:44 * capchaos wondering why the ext packages are that unmaintained
15:44 < lkthomas> haha
15:44 < lkthomas> capchaos: but did you try to rebuild the whole system yet ?
15:45 < capchaos> i would be rebuilding it right now... still mission some ext..
15:45 < capchaos> s/mission/missing
15:45 < lkthomas> capchaos: can you tell me the method that you are using now ?
15:45 * capchaos wondering if there is a central rock mirror of all base+opt+ext packages
15:46 < lkthomas> ....
15:46 < lkthomas> huebi:
15:46 < lkthomas> huebi:
15:46 < lkthomas> huebi:
15:46 < lkthomas> wakeup, man
15:46 < huebi> lkthomas: Yes?
15:46 < lkthomas> Thank you.
15:47 < lkthomas> would you mine to tell me that , should I mount local NFS to rebuild system ?
15:47 < lkthomas> in the docs say, I should use local NFS
15:47 < capchaos> lkthomas: not necessary
15:48 < huebi> lkthomas: Yes nfs ro is safer. But you can also copy all that stuff.
15:48 < lkthomas> "copy " ?
15:48 < lkthomas> huh ?
15:48 < lkthomas> isn't there have a script to auto install ?
15:48 < lkthomas> I mean after build process
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15:50 < huebi> lkthomas: unpack the source
15:50 < lkthomas> >./script/Buila-All ?
15:50 < huebi> lkthomas: to /rock-orig
15:50 < lkthomas> hmmmmmmm
15:50 < huebi> mkdor /roc-linux
15:50 < huebi> mkdor /rock-linux
15:50 < huebi> mkdir /rock-linux
15:51 < huebi> cd /rock-orig
15:51 < huebi> ./scripts/Create-Links /rock-linux
15:51 < huebi> cd /rock-linux
15:51 * lkthomas are watching
15:51 < huebi> ./scripts/Download -base
15:52 < huebi> ./scripts/Config
15:52 < lkthomas> wooooooo, hold on now...
15:52 < huebi> ./scripts/Build-All COPY
15:52 < lkthomas> isn't Config first, then Download ?
15:52 < huebi> ./scripts/Create-CD intel base
15:53 < lkthomas> keep going pls
15:53 < lkthomas> :)
15:53 < lkthomas> that's it ?
15:53 < huebi> ./scripts/Download -all <- If you also want to build all extensions. But very many of them are broken ;(
15:53 < lkthomas> haha...
15:53 < huebi> lkthomas: That's all ;-))
15:53 < lkthomas> question
15:54 < lkthomas> isn't Config before Download ?
15:54 < huebi> no
15:54 < lkthomas> OK, then...
15:54 < lkthomas> if I want to install extension package, what can I do ?
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15:55 < huebi> ./scripts/Build-Pkg <pkgname>
15:55 < lkthomas> OK
15:56 < lkthomas> I do not need to cvsup , rsync..etc before build pkg ?
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15:56 < huebi> ./scripts/Download -all <- If you also want to build all extensions. But very many of them are broken ;(
15:56 < lkthomas> OK..
15:56 < huebi> ./scripts/Help
15:56 < lkthomas> huebi: I think you are missed a step
15:57 < huebi> no
15:57 < lkthomas> huebi: I need to unpack the source myself ?
15:57 < huebi> no
15:57 < lkthomas> <huebi> lkthomas: unpack the source
15:57 < lkthomas> <lkthomas> >./script/Buila-All ?
15:57 < lkthomas> <huebi> lkthomas: to /rock-orig
15:57 < rxr_me> -all or -base is 1.5 -base are only basics things without X -opt is additinal optinoal stuff an -all is all ...
15:57 < huebi> the rocklinux source on the cd
15:58 < lkthomas> huebi: ahha
15:58 * lkthomas kind of confusing which method did huebi talking about, LoL
16:00 < rxr_me> clifford: ? Would be nice if you are online>-)
16:00 < lkthomas> huebi: I will drop it down and run it after the installation...
16:00 < huebi> lkthomas: ok, have fun
16:00 < lkthomas> huebi: but any idea where is the source folder in the CDs ?
16:00 < lkthomas> yep :)
16:01 < huebi> lkthomas: in the cd root.
16:01 < lkthomas> OK , good
16:08 < lkthomas> huebi:
16:08 < lkthomas> hey
16:09 < lkthomas> ./scripts/Build-All COPY
16:09 < lkthomas> after this step
16:09 < lkthomas> if I want to install to the system that I am using ( not creating iso) , what can I do ?
16:10 < huebi> find the intel-<package>.tar.bz2 files and install them with pkg-install.
16:11 < lkthomas> OK, so after build-all copy, it will gen a tarball
16:11 < lkthomas> right ?
16:11 < huebi> no
16:11 < lkthomas> hmmmmmm ?
16:11 < huebi> You have them then.
16:11 < lkthomas> I have it after build-all copy ?
16:11 < huebi> jo!
16:12 < lkthomas> I mean, the script will make it up, right ?
16:12 < huebi> jo
16:12 < lkthomas> OK, let me mark it down, hold
16:18 < lkthomas> Thanks, man
16:18 < lkthomas> brb
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16:37 < lkthomas> hey all
16:37 < lkthomas> root@IURC:/# chroot rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200205251743/ /bin/bash
16:38 < lkthomas> chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory
16:38 < lkthomas> why it's happen ?
16:40 < SMP> because you don't understand
16:40 < lkthomas> huh ?
16:43 < lkthomas> ./scripts/Download [options] { -all | -required }
16:43 < lkthomas> it's missing -base option,
16:43 < lkthomas> why ?
16:44 < SMP> there are no base packages in 1.7 anymore, so no -base
16:44 < huebi> that's 1.7. I talked, as I told you only about 1.5
16:44 < lkthomas> so I goto use required ?
16:44 < lkthomas> huebi : hmmmmm
16:45 < huebi> lkthomas: 1.7 is not ready for aotomatic use.
16:45 < lkthomas> OK
16:45 < lkthomas> 1.6 still work for -base, right ?
16:45 < huebi> yes
16:46 < lkthomas> OK, I only see 1.5 gile
16:46 < lkthomas> file
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17:12 < snyke> serrs ihr *anmerk*
17:12 < snyke> hi esden *handschüddl*
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17:47 < rxr_me> so 1.7 is running - and the first Gnome2 apps are on the screen :-)
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18:05 < rxr_me> cool the gimp 1.3 splash screen contains a blinken lights pic :-)
18:05 < esden> hi all
18:06 < esden> ich war um die uhrzeit schon lange nicht mehr besoffen ;-)
18:08 < rxr_me> esden: ?
18:10 < esden> was ist rxr_me ?
18:11 < esden> ich war am volksfest
18:11 < rxr_me> mitten am tag?
18:11 < rxr_me> das du uns nicht zum alkoholiker wirst :-(
18:11 < esden> joa ... ich hatte angst dass am abend es regnet ..
18:11 < rxr_me> ah
18:12 < rxr_me> (Ein wirklich gute Argument :-)
18:12 < esden> rxr_me: was ist so schlimm daran ... brauchst mich oder wie ?? (/we sucht bestaetigung ;-) )
18:15 < esden> cu all
18:15 < rxr_me> ja aber nauerlich brauchen wir unseren esden
18:15 < rxr_me> cu esden
18:16 < rxr_me> *g*
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18:34 < uninvited> Hi !
18:39 < rxr_me> hi
18:50 < capchaos> hum Q: what gcc-options are better for an Athlon Thunderbird, k6 or i686 ?
18:51 < capchaos> rock 1.5.15 uses k6 by default. why?
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19:06 < rxr_me> capchaos: because noone looked at it recently, or maybe someone found out that it is faster ... ?!?
19:06 < rxr_me> capchaos: when you use ROCK 1.7 and gcc-3.1 athlon will be the fastest - that for sure :-)
19:09 < capchaos> *g
19:10 < uninvited> what is package "netpbm" doing ?
19:13 < capchaos> [T] Netpbm is a toolkit for conversion of images between a variety of
19:13 < capchaos> [T] different formats, as well as to allow a few basic image operations.
19:17 < rxr_me> yes :-) I just used it yesterday to generate a favicon.ico for my web-side ...
19:18 * rxr_me just reconnecting DSL (I need a working route ro .us ...)
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19:29 < tsa> moin.
19:29 < hackbard> moin tsa
19:29 < tsa> hi hackbard
19:29 < hackbard> rxr_me, gerde da?
19:31 < rxr_me_> jo
19:31 < rxr_me_> moin hackbard tsa
19:32 < tsa> hi rxr_me
19:32 < tsa> hm....
19:32 < hackbard> versuche gerade kernel mit gcc3.1. zu bauen - bekomme nen typeconflict beim compilen von atyfb_base.c
19:32 < hackbard> moin :)
19:32 < tsa> <- being alone for some days now. just brought my girlfriend to hospital.
19:33 < tsa> *sigh*
19:34 < rxr_me_> hackbard: welchen kernel? 2.4.17 tut nicht
19:34 < rxr_me_> ich habe hier 2.4.19-pre8 ...
19:34 < hackbard> ahh
19:34 < hackbard> aber iirc gings mit dem egcs64
19:35 < rxr_me_> tsa: Gute Besserung von der ROCK Crew :-) - Ist es was schlimmeres?
19:35 < tsa> rxr_me: blinddarm.
19:36 < rxr_me_> hackbard: jups mit dem kaputten sparc64 ging der (wenn man die optionen gschickt auswaehlt sonnst ICE'ed der egcs) - der 2.4.19-pre8 tuen sehr viel mehr treiber :-)
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19:37 < rxr_me_> hackbard: der gcc baut bei mir hier irgendwie nicht richtig fuer sparc64 statisch ... habe heute also nocht nicht soo viel gemacht
19:37 < lkthomas> hey all
19:37 < rxr_me_> hauptsaechlich habe ich 1.7 generell gefixt ...
19:37 < rxr_me_> hi lkthomas
19:37 < lkthomas> sorry, I lost a ftp address that can download last rocklinux iso
19:37 < lkthomas> anyone can tell me again ?
19:38 < hackbard> hmm
19:38 < hackbard> bei mir hat glibc aus den selben grund gefailed ..btw
19:38 < lkthomas> hackbard
19:38 < lkthomas> where can I download .iso again ?!?
19:38 < hackbard> hi lkthomas
19:38 < tsa> hi lkthomas
19:39 < capchaos> lkthomas: https://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15.iso
19:39 < lkthomas> I am using gcc3, some program wouldn't allow me to compile in my distro :(
19:39 < lkthomas> Thank you :)
19:39 < capchaos> lkthomas: what distro are you using right now?
19:39 < lkthomas> soourcemage
19:40 < capchaos> sourcewhat?
19:40 < lkthomas> sourcemage
19:40 < lkthomas> sourcemage.org
19:41 < lkthomas> haha, crappy gcc3.1
19:42 < rxr_me_> no nice gcc-3.1
19:42 < rxr_me_> crappy gnu dung and other random amatuer source ....
19:42 < lkthomas> but 3.1 compile timing is faster than 2.x
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19:46 < rxr_me_> test
19:46 < rxr_me_> ah that was my other ghost ...
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19:47 < rxr_me> why is my DSL connect that instable in the last days ... It is that borring ...
19:51 < hackbard> rxr_me: do you remember the url clifford has his songs stored
19:51 < hackbard> (offtopic *g)
19:52 < lkthomas> LoL ?
19:57 < rxr_me> hackbard: erh no - you might browse the clifford.at side to find them ...
20:00 < hackbard> okie, thanks
20:01 < tsa> hm..
20:01 * tsa trying to understand the idea behind sourcemage
20:02 < tsa> is there any?
20:02 < lkthomas> ?
20:03 < tsa> i've just taken a lokk at their site. as it seems, it's just another linux distro. i'm missing a section about what's so special about it..
20:03 < tsa> look even.
20:03 < lkthomas> burning rocklinux now
20:04 < lkthomas> tsa: almost same things as rocklinus did
20:04 < lkthomas> but much easy install
20:04 < lkthomas> that's all
20:04 < tsa> and taking up lots of disk space.. ;)
20:04 < lkthomas> yes
20:06 < lkthomas> maths question
20:06 < lkthomas> 8.1% / 100% = ?
20:06 < lkthomas> is it = 8.1 or what ?
20:06 < tsa> 8.1%
20:07 < lkthomas> 8.1% div by 100%
20:07 < lkthomas> still 8.1% ?
20:07 < huebi> 0.081
20:07 < tsa> since 100% = 1, this is 8.1%/1...
20:07 < lkthomas> OK, so it's...
20:07 < lkthomas> what's the answer then ?!?!
20:09 < lkthomas> so 8.1% = 8.1/100 ?
20:09 < tsa> yes.
20:09 < lkthomas> OK, got it, Thanks
20:09 < lkthomas> my maths is not that good at all
20:09 < lkthomas> but my calculas still got 87
20:09 < lkthomas> haha
20:10 < lkthomas> :)
20:12 < lkthomas> OK, some question
20:12 < lkthomas> someone told me that Install scrip tare broken
20:13 < lkthomas> so I should use install_bin
20:13 < lkthomas> and I need to mount a clean partition to /trg ?
20:14 < huebi> lkthomas: You got all answers!
20:14 < lkthomas> good
20:14 < lkthomas> goto install now
20:14 < lkthomas> bye
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20:19 < bluefire> Bye
20:19 < bluefire> huebi: nix Schlossgrabenfest heute ;)
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20:31 < lkthomas> OK, holy crap
20:31 < lkthomas> APIC and APIO make my laptop hang
20:32 < lkthomas> but rocklinux installation kernel SUPPORT and run these two feature
20:32 < lkthomas> shit
20:32 < lkthomas> hang when I running installation
20:32 < lkthomas> how can I disable it using kernel command line ?
20:32 < huebi> lkthomas: disable it when you boot.
20:32 < lkthomas> I forget which command should I use
20:33 < huebi> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/*
20:33 < lkthomas> ...
20:33 < rxr_me> fuck
20:33 < huebi> lilo: rock append=apic=foo...
20:33 < lkthomas> hmmmmmm ?
20:34 < lkthomas> append="apic=no" ?
20:34 < rxr_me> or acpi=off
20:34 < rxr_me> 234iuhgdghb
20:34 < lkthomas> let me try, Thanks.
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20:35 < rxr_me> shit somehow I think rsync has a bug and just rsynced in the wrong direction ...
20:35 < rxr_me> I just run ./Rsyn-to-gate script as usual and it synced the files BACK to the old versions on my gate !!!!!
20:35 < rxr_me> This has never happend before
20:35 < rxr_me> shit
20:36 < rxr_me> I need subversion for my ROCK tree ...
20:36 < huebi> rxr_me: why not cvs?
20:38 < rxr_me> because cvs sucks - it hurts me evertime I have to use it ...
20:38 < rxr_me> huebi: and your cvs tree also corrupted some times ...
20:39 < huebi> rxr_me: I used it in the wrong way ;( That where the reasons for corruption.
20:40 < rxr_me> hand editing the RCS files ?
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20:44 < lkthomas> OK, the fact prove that is NOT WORK
20:44 < lkthomas> fucked
20:48 < lkthomas> crap
20:49 < lkthomas> ...
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20:51 < term_emu> re
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21:04 < th> re
21:06 < huebi> hi th
21:06 < th> wassen mit world los?
21:06 < huebi> hae?
21:07 < th> oder bin ich der einzige der nich draufkomtm?
21:07 < th> oups
21:07 < th> geht ja doch
21:07 < huebi> dreht sich im kreis, so 365 mal im Jahr?
21:07 < th> grummel
21:07 < huebi> *g*
21:07 < huebi> th: jo hat ebend mal kurz geklemmt.
21:07 < th> hmmm ich hatte wohl zuviel reallife am wochenende
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21:08 < lkthomas> hey all
21:08 < lkthomas> working
21:08 < lkthomas> I goto mount it from this distro that I am using now
21:08 < lkthomas> then run ./Install.bin
21:08 < lkthomas> haha
21:08 < lkthomas> work fine :)
21:08 < lkthomas> really admin friendly
21:08 < lkthomas> not joking
21:10 < lkthomas> WOOOOOO, done ??!? ...
21:10 < lkthomas> haha, chroot success
21:10 < lkthomas> :)
21:11 < lkthomas> huebi
21:11 < lkthomas> still there ?
21:11 < lkthomas> should I unpack that src tarball into any dir and run it ?
21:12 < huebi> re
21:12 < lkthomas> re = ?
21:12 < huebi> th: world klemmt ein bischen, sonst ok
21:12 < lkthomas> huebi : chroot success :)
21:12 < lkthomas> haha
21:12 < lkthomas> huebi : Thank you god
21:12 < huebi> lkthomas: I had to reconnect
21:13 < lkthomas> hmmmmmm
21:13 < huebi> lkthomas: Can you now boot rock? But better you build a suitable kernel for your notebook.
21:13 < huebi> before booting ;-)
21:14 < huebi> th: hallo? noch da?
21:14 < lkthomas> errr, I have another work fine kernel on hand
21:14 < th> huebi: jo
21:14 < lkthomas> but would it have any problem with two lilo running in same MBR ?
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21:15 < th> lkthomas: i'm sure you won't need 2 lilo in mbr
21:15 < lkthomas> th: but how can I config then...
21:15 < huebi> lkthomas: there can only be one lilo in mbr.
21:15 < thalerim> hello
21:16 < huebi> hi th
21:16 < huebi> hi thalerim
21:16 < rxr_me> clifford: ??
21:16 < th> lkthomas: image = /kernel1 \n root=/root/1 \n label = label1 \n\n image=/kernel2 \n ...
21:16 < rxr_me> was clifford online today?
21:16 < lkthomas> LoL ?
21:16 < thalerim> huhu huebi
21:16 < lkthomas> nevermind, let me try mine one
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21:45 < lkthomas> hey all
21:45 < lkthomas> well, after I am using CDs doing the installation
21:45 < lkthomas> it's keep saying /bin/sh permission denied
21:46 < lkthomas> also, I saw proc didn't mount up, so I goto edit /etc/fstab
21:46 < lkthomas> but it's keep saying it's read-only file
21:46 < lkthomas> I am using root, how come it's read only ?
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21:47 < martin_> hi all
21:49 < thalerim> lkthomas: chmod a+x /bin/sh maybe?
21:49 < lkthomas> hmmmmmm ?
21:49 < lkthomas> let's see
21:49 < thalerim> proc isn't a real filesystems
21:50 < lkthomas> yeah
21:51 < thalerim> fstab entry: /proc /proc proc default 0 0
21:51 < lkthomas> thalerim : OK..
21:52 < lkthomas> let me try again
21:52 < lkthomas> brb
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21:54 < huebi> th: Die Java Stations sind da.
21:57 * thalerim is away: homeworks
21:59 < th> huebi: sehr fein
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22:15 < huebi> re th ;-)
22:15 < th> jo
22:17 < huebi> th: hast du eine sun mit linux drauf?
22:17 < th> huebi: nein
22:17 < th> "... we have joy we have fun - we have linux on our sun ..."
22:17 < huebi> hehe
22:19 < huebi> th: Du kannst zum erstellen deines eigenen / Dateisystems fuer die Java Station gerne eine von meinen benutzen.
22:19 < th> seh gerne
22:19 < th> machst du das auf's flash oder nfs?
22:20 < huebi> rxr_me: Beim kernel compilieren nimmt meine Ultra 30 immer den egcs64. Hast du eine idee, wie ich das aendern kann? Ich brauche einen kernel fuer sparc.
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22:23 < huebi> th: erst mal nfs und dann spaeter vielleicht alles aufs flash. Ich glaube aber, es wird nur der kernel aufs flash kommen. Ich will sie ja sowieso nur als xterminal nehmen.
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22:29 < lkthomas> hey all
22:29 < lkthomas> I have mounted ext2 rocklinux as rw mode
22:29 < lkthomas> but when I mkdir and doing anything, it's keep telling me it's read-only fs, why ?!?
22:30 < th> tried a mount -o rw / ?
22:30 < th> aehm
22:30 < th> mount -o remount,rw /
22:32 < rxr_me> huebi: make ARCH=sparc ...
22:33 < th> huebi: xterminal. genau ich ja auch
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22:43 < huebi> rxr_me: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/byteorder/swab.h:165: warning: right shift count >= width of type
22:43 < huebi> make[1]: *** [check_asm] Error 1
22:46 < huebi> rxr_me: make ARCH=sparc scheint nicht so einfach zu sein...
22:50 < rxr_me> huebi: natuerlich auch erst nen make ARCH=sparc menuconfig oder so, ...
22:51 < huebi> rxr_me: Danke! Funktioniert! *freu*
22:51 < huebi> rxr_me: weisst du ob der gcc 2.95.3 sparc kernels compiliert?
22:57 < rxr_me> huebi: oeh keine Ahnung. Ich gebe ihm aber eine recht hohe wahrscheinlichkeit ...
22:57 < rxr_me> huebi: was anderes, booten sparc kernel auf sparc64 ?
22:58 < huebi> rxr_me: Ich teste das einfach mal. Endlich kann ich einen neuen kernel fuer die Java Station bauen. kool
22:58 < th> huebi: was sind denn fuer keyboards gekommen?
22:58 < huebi> th: Deutsche ;-)
22:59 < th> naja, besser als UK
22:59 < huebi> rxr_me: nein, UltraSparc muss zumindest als 64-Bit CPU initialisiert werden. Deshalb funktionieren keine 32-Bit kernel (laut ripclaw)
23:00 < huebi> th: Habe ich mir auch gesagt.
23:02 < huebi> th: es sind ganz normale PS/2 Tastaturen.
23:02 < huebi> th: von der Tastenanordnung
23:07 < huebi> Weiss jemand, wo dieser Link angelegt wird?
23:07 < huebi> root@zeus:/etc/init.d# ll init.d
23:07 < huebi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 17 15:35 init.d -> ../etc/init.d
23:08 < tsa> hm...hattest du den nicht mal selber angelegt, damit runlvledit wieder tut?
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23:10 < rxr_me> das 1.7 runlvedit ist ganz nett ... oder hat 1.5 auch schon son ncurses menu teil ? :-)
23:11 < huebi> tsa: Nee, das ist der originale. Ich tu' mich gerade schwer, herauszufinden, wo der beim Rocklinux Build angelegt wird.
23:11 < tsa> achso.
23:12 < tsa> rxr_me: hm...ich kenne nur das von 1.4.0 und finde das gar nicht schlecht. hoffentlich wird das nicht durch ncurses-kram ersetzt..
23:12 < rxr_me> huebi: sparc auf sparc64: hm hoehrt sich seltsam an. Gibt es solaris auch in diversen varianten? -> laufen alte versionen nicht auf ULTRASparc ???
23:13 < huebi> tsa: rxr_me: runlvedit bleibt in 1.6 wie es jetzt ist. Purer vi ;-)
23:13 < tsa> guut zu hoeren.
23:14 < tsa> *freu* freudin hat grad angerufen. is wieder wach und um nen blinddarm kuerzer..
23:14 < huebi> rxr_me: Alle Solarisvarianten laufen auf UltraSparc.
23:15 < huebi> tsa: Na dann mal hinzu ihr. Das wird ihr gut tun ;-))
23:15 < tsa> huebi: geht nich, besuchszeit nur bis 20.oo
23:15 < tsa> aber ich werd' versuchen morgen frueh hinzufahren..
23:16 < huebi> tsa: Mach das. Besuch ist jetzt gut.
23:16 < tsa> Jo - ist ja sonst auch extremst langweilig..
23:16 < tsa> naja, besser diese als naechste Woche - da sind dann naemlich ihre Abschlussklausuren..
23:17 < huebi> Hauptsache es geht ihr gut. Mir ist mei Blinddarm geplatzt. War richtig unangenehm.
23:18 < tsa> hm...klingt boese,,
23:18 < huebi> _ist_ boese ....
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23:19 < tsa> duerfte der bereich sein, wo es dann auch nicht mehr so ganz ungefaehrlich wird..
23:20 < huebi> jo, Blinddarm ist auch heute noch gefaehrlich.
23:20 < tsa> jupp..
23:22 < fake> nabend
23:22 < huebi> hi fake
23:22 * huebi wartet auf den neuen Java kernel...
23:22 < fake> fuer die JavaStation?
23:23 < huebi> fake: jo, ich habe einen fertigen, der funktioniert aber nicht richtig.
23:23 < fake> echo $nicht_richtig
23:24 < fake> <-- wird wahrscheinlich Linuxtag in booth schlafen -_-
23:24 < huebi> Die Netzwerkkarte, hme, funktioniert nach dem Laden des kernels nicht mehr. Sie laed aber den kernel und mountet das nfsroot.
23:25 < fake> hm... woran kann das liegen?
23:25 < huebi> nfsroot=Rotkaeppchen_5.2
23:25 < fake> oh.
23:26 < fake> hehe. Wer findet ein targe "RoXBoX" auch geil?
23:26 < fake> targe=target
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23:27 < huebi> Ich werde mir jetzt aus dem Sparc64 Port von Rocklinux ein neues nfsroot zusammen kopieren.
23:27 < lkthomas> hey all
23:27 < lkthomas> I guve up
23:27 < lkthomas> give
23:27 < lkthomas> too much trouble
23:27 < lkthomas> too many painful
23:27 < lkthomas> nah, no time to continue to bother..
23:27 < fake> rock linux is user friendly - it's just picky about it's friends.
23:28 < lkthomas> fake: but a lot of no sence problem happened
23:28 < lkthomas> >/bin/sh permission denied ?!?
23:28 < fake> with the 1-5-15 snap iso?
23:28 < lkthomas> I even can not run pkg-install..etc tools
23:28 < huebi> lkthomas: echo $much_touble
23:28 < lkthomas> I think so
23:28 < fake> err, huebi
23:28 < fake> i had that too
23:28 < lkthomas> huebi: ...
23:28 < lkthomas> WTF is that going on anyway ?
23:28 < huebi> fake: What was the problem?
23:29 < lkthomas> huebi: how long actally it need to take to make rocklinux work ?!?
23:29 < fake> huebi> it installed all right, but absolutely nothing would work after the first reboot
23:29 < huebi> lkthomas: 18minutes
23:29 < fake> he couldn't open any executables
23:29 < lkthomas> huebi: I spent the whole half day, still not fixed
23:30 < lkthomas> fake: mine one not even boot up with the CDs
23:30 < fake> lkthomas that's only in this particular build, i had it too.
23:30 < fake> what machine do you use?
23:30 < lkthomas> that bootable CD kernel have APIC and APIO, which will fuck up my machine
23:30 < lkthomas> Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop
23:30 < rxr_me> lkthomas: 1.5 is in a cleanup state. dRock-1.6.0-rc3 has nearly a blank errata ...
23:30 < fake> ha... mine was a laptop too.
23:30 < lkthomas> rxr_me: hmmmmmmmmm ?
23:30 < lkthomas> rxr_me: do you suggest me to wait ?
23:31 < rxr_me> Desktop ROCK Linux ...
23:31 < lkthomas> drock, OK
23:31 < fake> huebi: i have it on my lap. shall i fire it up and get on your nerves with what doesn't work? *g*
23:31 < lkthomas> rxr_me: is it suppose more friendly ??
23:31 < fake> no, it justs pretends to be ^^
23:31 < fake> *muahaha*
23:32 < lkthomas> man, that's no need to use APIC and APIO for installation
23:32 < rxr_me> we initially introduced the menu installer and the setup has much less rough edges ...
23:32 < lkthomas> the only things is fuck up my laptop and make it hang
23:32 < fake> rxr> BTW there is a "typo" in the menu in the 1.5.15 iso
23:32 < fake> there is no such word as "Extenation"
23:32 < fake> it is an extension
23:32 < huebi> fake: Yes, tell me what's wrong.
23:32 < rxr_me> fake: last night I instlled ROCK-1.7 on my laptop and I remembered why I started a cleaned tree ...
23:32 < fake> huebi> gimme a sec
23:33 < rxr_me> fake: I'm not responsible for 1.5 stuff ...
23:33 < fake> rxr> i know, but the installer menu had your name under it ;P
23:34 < rxr_me> oh - but dRock has no extension support ...
23:34 < rxr_me> we only have on type of packages like 1.7 has now ...
23:34 < fake> i c
23:35 < rxr_me> s/on/one/
23:35 < fake> what does W03 LILO error mean?
23:35 < huebi> fake: Did the kernel load?
23:36 < huebi> fake: I guess just memory mapping
23:37 < fake> huebi>your one did
23:37 < fake> huebi i trief buidling my own - and once again messed up - damn compaq AGP
23:37 < fake> ah here we go
23:37 < fake> INIT: Version 2.84 booting
23:38 < fake> /etc/initscript: /etc/init.d/boot: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permision denied
23:38 < fake> /etc/initscript: exec: /etc/init.d/boot: cannot execute: Success
23:39 < fake> INIT: Entering Runlevel: 2
23:39 < fake> then the above 2 lines again
23:39 < fake> Maintenance Console:
23:39 < fake> (none) login: (Yes, i DID enter a machine name)
23:39 < fake> even in /etc/hostname
23:39 < huebi> fake: I think execute permissions are missing.
23:40 < fake> and when i try to login it says: unable to determine your tty name
23:40 < fake> so i have to do chmod a+x /bin/sh ?
23:41 < huebi> fake: I think there are other scripts missind +x
23:41 < fake> i'll have a look
23:41 < huebi> ok
23:42 < huebi> I fixed many file permissions in the cvs tree. With the next snapshot all should be ok
23:42 < rxr_me> this shit fucking gcc - total crap shit '
23:43 < rxr_me> %$%##!?
23:43 < tsa> hehe
23:43 < tsa> rxr_me: you're free to use something else..
23:44 < rxr_me> We should write a ROCK-libc and a ROCK-cc ...
23:45 < rxr_me> some sponsors and I start immmidiately ...
23:45 < fake> x_x
23:45 < fake> okay.... /etc/init.d/* is +x'ed
23:46 < fake> let's see
23:46 < rxr_me> tsa: btw. this is not funny - you can get a login on thesun and build my a native sparc64 gcc with a cross-gcc ...
23:46 < rxr_me> s/my/me/ ...
23:47 < rxr_me> Links are now set up to build a native compiler for sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu
23:47 < rxr_me> on a sparc-unknown-linux-gnu system.
23:47 < rxr_me> hm this doesn
23:47 < rxr_me> 't sound that bad - and why doesnt it work ???
23:47 < rxr_me> the Makefile stuff is that strange ...
23:47 < fake> ha
23:47 < fake> that was it @huebi
23:48 < huebi> fake: kool
23:49 < huebi> fake: I used to use a repair script before to get the CVS tree working for rock. Now I changed the filepermissions direcrtly in the repositori and today I changed some scripts. now all should work fine again.
23:50 < fake> yeah yeah. and i forgot my root pw.
23:50 < huebi> *LOL*
23:51 < fake> <-- lamest thing that ever crawled out of the lamest spot on the universe where all lameness was originally spawned.
23:51 < huebi> lilo: rock init=/bin/bash
23:51 < fake> in the known and still to be knwon galaxies.
23:52 < fake> i just popped in that boot cd... either way...
23:53 < fake> *sing* it's a sin...
23:53 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082AEA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:53 < Be-El> hi ppl
23:53 < huebi> fake: All is fixed as I see on world.
23:53 < huebi> hi Be-El
23:53 < fake> sw33t!
23:54 < Be-El> Extracting glibc-2.2.5.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ...
23:54 < Be-El> chown: getting attributes of `none': No such file or directory
23:54 < Be-El> looks like a little bug in the build scripts
23:55 < rxr_me> Be-El: yes fixed in my tree - patch by s.o. else was also on the mailing list ...
23:55 < huebi> Be-El: 1.7?
23:56 < rxr_me> yes 1.7
23:56 < Be-El> huebi: ja....frisch gesynched vor ca. 1.5 stunden
23:56 < rxr_me> Be-El: hast du die rsync URL von meinem tree ?
23:56 < rxr_me> rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rock
23:56 < rxr_me> (oder so)
23:57 < Be-El> rxr_me: ne, benutze das normale scritps/Update-Src...ohne irgendwelche modifikationen
23:57 < rxr_me> ja vielleicht sollte man da mal beide baeume anbieten, ala -src-cliff -src-rene ...
23:58 < Be-El> gibts dann auch ein -src-tut_auch ? *duck*
23:58 < rxr_me> *lol*
23:58 < rxr_me> mein src tut ganz gut ...
23:59 < Be-El> naja, der letzte build kam immerhin bis zum gnome....da gibts dann probleme mit dem pfad zu gtk-config
23:59 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817DC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:59 < rxr_me> im prinzip ist mein public tree da immer das was innerhalb der naechsten 24-48 studen zu cliff geht ... - also meisten updates plus bug-fixes
23:59 < rxr_me> also nichts gewaltig differierrendens ...
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