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--- Log opened Sun Jun 16 00:00:08 2002 --- Day changed Sun Jun 16 2002 00:04 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("Lost terminal") 00:14 -!- the][owl|away [~mail-spam@B50c8.pppool.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:21 < tsa> rxr: can you do topic changes here? 00:21 < rxr> I think not ... 00:21 < rxr> hi tsa ! 00:21 < tsa> hm..ok, i'll ask someone else. 00:21 < tsa> https://somegeek.org/status.html .. 00:21 < tsa> read it? 00:24 < rxr> hm what is the site about ? 00:24 < Freak> about why you should pay lilo for what he does (not) 00:25 < Freak> so don't read it, just change over to oftc. 00:25 < Freak> s/change/move; 00:25 < tsa> oftc? 00:25 < Freak> open and free technology community 00:25 < Freak> tsa: https://linuid.dhis.org/~freak/umzug.html 00:26 < tsa> ah.. 00:27 < snyke> yeah thunderstorm RULEZZ :) 00:30 < tsa> hm...from what i see, this guy has some financial trouble and he is the head of openprojects.net .. 00:32 < tsa> since we are using this service, why not do something to help him? 00:33 < rxr> maybe the strange page is a fake ? 00:33 < tsa> possible, but i don't belie that.. 00:34 < tsa> +v 00:34 < rxr> tsa: why is not message on openprojects.net ? 00:34 < tsa> rxr: there's just a link to this page.. 00:35 < tsa> on the "affiliated groups" page.. 00:35 < tsa> whatever. 00:36 * tsa sending 5 usd.. 00:36 < rxr> where ? 00:36 < tsa> The OPN founder and head of operations is Rob Levin, who can be found on OPN IRC under the nick "lilo." 00:36 < tsa> last sentence. 00:37 < tsa> or what do ya mean? 00:38 < rxr> ah 00:38 < rxr> hm 00:40 < huebi> If this guy has a problem - it's his problem. He does not want to move to an area where he can get work as sysadmin. He want's to stay in hillibilly country Texas. There he can try to be a Cowboy. He lives in USA. He knows what to do to get a well payed job. As he writes he has to move. And the subway is a good replacement for a car. 00:41 < rxr> hi huebi 00:41 < huebi> hi rxr 00:43 < tsa> huhu huebi 00:44 < huebi> Sometimes it's not easy to get work. Between september 2000 and mai 2001 I has no work.I had the same problems as lilo. It's still his responsibility to get a job. 00:45 < huebi> You _ever_ win the game you play. I had to change the game I played. And I change it now again. 00:46 < huebi> hallo tsa 00:47 < tsa> oh..schulst du um auf Koch? ;-) 00:48 < huebi> nee. Ich sehe zu, dass ich nicht mehr so viel Stress bei der Arbeit und in der Familie habe, gleichzeitig aber immer noch das gleiche oder mehr Geld verdiene 00:49 < huebi> schoener Spagat. 00:49 -!- lizard [~lizard@pD9048581.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:49 < tsa> hm...wenn du es schaffst, dass du fuer gar keine Arbeit mehr immer noch gaanz viel Kohle kriegst, sag bitte Bescheid.. ;-) 00:51 < huebi> tsa: Wie waere es mit wetten? Da braucht man nur einen guten Taschenrechner und kann mit falsch gesetzten Quoten garantiert Geld verdienen. 00:53 < tsa> hm...im allgemeinen wird da nur 50% des gesamteinsatzes wieder ausgeschuettet, das duerfte also langfristig eher schief gehen.. 00:55 < snyke> fuck... 00:55 < snyke> das waren die sat verbindungen 00:55 < snyke> >_< 00:55 < snyke> doofes gewitter 00:56 < huebi> tsa: im allgemeinen... aber nicht immer. 00:57 < tsa> andererseits hat sowas immer zwei seiten...man koennte ja eine Lotterie-Gesellschaft aufmachen.. ;) 00:59 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@dialin-212-144-169-080.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:59 < the][owl> re 01:00 < tsa> re the][owl 01:03 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 01:04 < ringo78> what is a good way of connectin 2 machines on ethernet ? Any good faqs (kiss)? 01:05 < tsa> cat5 cable? 01:06 < ringo78> yep 01:07 < ringo78> 10mb 01:08 < tsa> so they are already connected.. 01:09 < ringo78> yep only some route add ... usw usw hwat adress do I fil inn and stuff 01:09 < ringo78> s/hwah/what 01:09 < tsa> any rfc1918 address is good, if you don't have official IP space. 01:10 < tsa> 192.168.1.x 01:10 < tsa> whatever. 01:11 < ringo78> then I just flush routes set up rfc1918 adress and the defauilt route to machine a and vice versa ? 01:11 < tsa> yes 01:11 < ringo78> thanks 01:12 < ringo78> switching to localnet. 01:13 < ringo78> /quit/quit 01:14 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 01:23 * tsa going to bed 01:23 < tsa> *gaehn* 01:23 < tsa> n8 allerseits 01:23 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD952552D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:11 -!- d3mian [~john@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 02:11 -!- d3mian [~john@208.165.55.137] has quit (Client Quit) 02:14 -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian 02:14 < d3mian> hi ALL 02:15 < the][owl> hi d3mian 02:21 < lizard> hi d3mian, hi the][owl 02:50 < term_aweh> good night 02:50 -!- term_aweh [~pm@pD958B331.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("zz") 02:51 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-115.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:51 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-37.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:01 < d3mian> cu later 03:05 -!- d3mian [~demian@208.165.55.137] has left #rocklinux () 03:08 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-168-135.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:10 -!- the][owl is now known as the][owl|afk 03:17 -!- d3m|an [~john@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 03:17 -!- d3m|an [~john@208.165.55.137] has quit (Client Quit) 03:19 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-37.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:41 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p508174F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 04:52 -!- Netsplit bear.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: blindcod1r, lizard, snyke 04:52 -!- Netsplit over, joins: lizard, snyke, blindcod1r 05:22 -!- rxr_ is now known as rxr 07:45 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:26 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:45 -!- cchamilt [~cchamilt@cm62.omega40.scvmaxonline.com.sg] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 11:39 -!- simon- [~simon@pD951E4E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:52 -!- simon [~simon@p50874E17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:53 -!- simon- is now known as simon 11:57 -!- Freak [freak@p50839E86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:03 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E394C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:30 < hackbard> morning 12:30 < rxr> hi hackbard 12:53 < the][owl|afk> how can i create a installation-floppy (using windows/dos)? 12:59 -!- the][owl|afk [~mail-spam@dialin-212-144-169-080.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:11 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock > l 2clifford-many-updates.patch 13:11 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 50793 Jun 16 13:11 2clifford-many-updates.patch 13:11 < rxr> hm 13:12 < hackbard> :) 13:14 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@dialin-212-144-166-188.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:16 < rxr> hm - after cleaning the noise in the patch: 13:16 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock > l 2clifford-many-updates.patch 13:16 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 26781 Jun 16 13:16 2clifford-many-updates.patch 13:16 < rxr> :-( 13:20 < huebi> re 13:20 < hackbard> re huebi ! 13:20 < huebi> hi hackbard 13:20 < huebi> hi rxr 13:20 < rxr> hi huebi 13:34 < simon> the][owl rawwrite 13:49 < the][owl> ja. aber funktioniert nicht. / yes. doesn't work ;) 13:50 < huebi> the][owl: Floppy tot? Andere Floppy schon getestet? 13:51 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/rock-1.7-gcc-31-2002-06-16/ <- the gcc-3.1 compiled packages of my last ROCK-1.7 build 13:51 < the][owl> ja. andere floppies schon getestet 13:51 < huebi> the][owl: ROCK Linux Version? 13:51 < the][owl> 1.5.15 / Linuxtag version 13:52 * huebi testing... 14:03 < huebi> All fucked up. The root-disk is too big 14:09 -!- term_emu [~pm@pD958B20D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 < tomik> hi 14:17 < huebi> hi tomik ;-) 14:18 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:18 < huebi> hi netcrow 14:18 < netcrow> hi huebi 14:19 < tomik> huebi :) 14:22 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@dialin-212-144-166-188.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:24 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has quit ("you know, geeks are at their best late at night...") 15:06 -!- Netsplit bear.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: th, aszlig 15:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aszlig, th 15:44 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 15:44 < tomik> re 15:45 < tomik> any experiences with ipx tunneling? 16:05 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p508171CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:05 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:07 < bluefire> Hi 16:12 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 16:54 -!- clifford_ [~clifford@M103P031.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:55 -!- clifford_ is now known as clifford 16:56 < clifford> rxr: how stable is kde, gnome. etc with gcc3 ? 16:57 -!- [anders] [~guest@62.3.122.161] has quit ("tired and sad...") 17:04 < rxr> kde and gnome work ok - GSMP 0.0.5 compiles but crashes ... 17:04 < rxr> clifford: I did the ROCK talk at LinuxTag on my 1.7 gcc-3.1 laptop ... 17:05 < rxr> but GSMP should be fixed within the next days ... 17:08 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9E50CCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:08 < clifford> rxr: thanks. (So I do use a gcc3 base build for re-installing my system). 17:08 < chrisime> hi kidZ ;-) 17:09 < clifford> hi dad! :-) 17:09 < chrisime> lol 17:09 < chrisime> hey clifford 17:09 < chrisime> how r things 17:09 < clifford> I'm fine .. 17:10 < clifford> .. but also hungry . :-) 17:10 < chrisime> lol 17:10 < chrisime> where's the guy i was talking with at linuxtag 17:10 * rxr ? 17:10 < chrisime> that guy who was interested in gnome2 stuff 17:10 < chrisime> aaah 17:11 < chrisime> rxr: u? 17:11 < rxr> possible /me, yes - hi chrisime 17:11 < chrisime> jo! 17:12 < chrisime> rxr: try out the latest garnome release 17:12 < rxr> chrisime: oh garnome ? no sorry. I only use our ROCK build system. I have no need for another auto build script .. ;-) 17:12 < chrisime> rxr: heh, k 17:12 < rxr> But I updatd some gnome2 packages last night - and now most packages do compile ... 17:12 < chrisime> rxr: any problems with your scripts 17:13 < chrisime> i thing u said that there were some probs 17:13 < chrisime> think 17:13 < rxr> no - only some packages fail due to trival errors which will be fixed in the next build iteration 17:13 < rxr> chrisime: yes some packages did not played well together (some libglade and co stuff) - but it seems to be fixed now ... 17:14 < chrisime> hmm 17:14 < chrisime> libglade 17:14 < chrisime> yeah 17:14 < chrisime> you'll need python-xml stuff 17:14 < chrisime> but i think that you know it already 17:14 < rxr> if you like you could put an announcement to news.gnome.org that ROCK Linux is as Gnome2 ready as FreeBSD and Gentoo are ;-) 17:14 < chrisime> erps 17:14 < rxr> chrisime: jups - this is working now ;-) 17:14 < chrisime> rxr: you're also free to do that ;P 17:15 < chrisime> damnit -- i should try out freebsd -- my server crashed 4 times the last few hours 17:15 < rxr> chrisime: but I need to create a new accoutn for this - I guess you allready have an accound there ;-) 17:15 < chrisime> something's horribly broken 17:15 < chrisime> nah, u don't need one 17:16 < chrisime> rxr: it's not slashdot or linuxtoday :) 17:16 < rxr> This is the error list of my last build (gcc-3.1): 17:16 < rxr> 3] rene/libtiff [3] base/netpbm [3] x11/tcltk 17:16 < rxr> [3] x11/gle [3] rene/xine [3] rene/xine-dvdnav 17:16 < rxr> [3] x11/imagemagick [3] rene/enlightenment [3] rene/icewm 17:16 < rxr> [3] x11/gnomemm1 [3] x11/bonobo-config [3] x11/gnomemm-all 17:16 < rxr> [3] x11/libgail-gnome [3] x11/gtkhtml [3] x11/eel 17:16 < rxr> [3] x11/gedit2 [3] x11/ggv [3] x11/gtop 17:16 < rxr> [3] x11/mozilla [3] x11/galeon [3] rene/evolution 17:16 < rxr> [3] rene/encompass [3] x11/sawfish [3] rene/gaspell 17:16 < rxr> [3] rene/avifile [3] rene/ethereal [3] rene/teatime 17:16 < rxr> [3] rene/cdrdao [3] rene/kdevelop [3] x11/kde-i18n-fr 17:16 < rxr> [3] cliffo/midimountain [3] cliffo/rosegarden [3] cliffo/anthem 17:16 < rxr> [3] cliffo/mixmagic [3] cliffo/soundtracker [3] cliffo/spiralsynthmod 17:16 < rxr> [3] cliffo/sweep [3] rene/coda [ 17:16 < rxr> very few Gnome2 stuff 17:16 < chrisime> gedit2? odd 17:16 < chrisime> gnomemm <-- i think the unstable stuff 17:17 < chrisime> gnomemm1.3.x and gtkmm 1.3.x 17:17 < rxr> this is an error of our package description of our package - I already investigated this - the packages does not even start to build ... 17:17 < chrisime> eeks 17:17 < chrisime> error? i need the whole output 17:17 < rxr> chrisime: error in _OUR_ ROCK build system ... 17:18 < chrisime> oki 17:18 < rxr> and yes gnome-mm is the 1.3 stuff 17:18 < rxr> we have glib gtk+ and glib1 gtk+1 ... 17:18 < chrisime> compiling gnome2 with gcc3.1 makes it a little bit faster 17:19 < rxr> chrisime: for the gedit2 thing: 17:19 < rxr> jackson:/rock-linux/rock-1.7 # cat build/default-1.7.0-DEV-ia32-pentium-generic-expert/root/var/adm/logs/3-gedit2.err 17:19 < rxr> Extracting gedit2-1.199.0.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ... 17:19 < rxr> Can't auto-detect srcdir for package 'gedit2'! 17:19 < rxr> nothign you need to worry about ;-) 17:25 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@pD9E50AE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:26 < chrisime_> fuck! 17:26 < chrisime_> i hate that machi9ne 17:26 < chrisime_> always crashing! 17:27 < chrisime_> rxr: www.gnome.org/~chrisime/pix/Desktop.png <-- i love it ;) 17:32 < rxr> you like united linux ? 17:36 < chrisime_> nah 17:36 < chrisime_> pfff 17:36 < chrisime_> i don't use commercial distris 17:38 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9E50CCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:42 < rxr> title: GNOME2 with ROCK Linux 17:42 < rxr> Dept: form the self-compiling distribution dept. 17:42 < rxr> Text; Gnome2 is now avaiable in the ROCK Linux development series 1.7. It took some weeks to get all the dependencies right and to fix some general gcc-3.1 issues - but it is now publicly avaiable for testing. 17:42 < rxr> Any more ideas ? 17:45 < chrisime_> erm 17:46 < chrisime_> say: it works great ;) 17:52 < rxr> clifford: could you release a new snap - so that interested people get my last night fixes ;-) ? 17:54 < rxr> Gnome2 is now avaiable in the <a href="https://www.rocklinux.org/">ROCK Linux</a> development series 1.7. It took some weeks to get all the dependencies right and to fix some general gcc-3.1 issues - but it should now build completely and is publicly available for testing. 17:54 < rxr> <p> 17:54 < rxr> Get the <a href="https://www.rocklinux.org/getting.html">source </a> and much fun compiling ;-) 17:57 < rxr> so I posted it now ... 17:57 < chrisime_> thx 17:58 < rxr> ;-) I hope all Gnome people like the post ... ;-) 18:00 < chrisime_> let's see 18:00 < chrisime_> almost nobody uses rocklinux 18:01 < rxr> chrisime_: although it is (In Our Opinion) much better than Gentoo - this is why we now start do as much PR as Gentoo does ;-) 18:01 < chrisime_> yeah 18:01 < chrisime_> please do 18:02 < rxr> ;-) 18:02 < chrisime_> i don't wanna try gentoo 18:02 < chrisime_> but people say it's cool 18:04 < bluefire> chrisime_: people also say Gnome2 is cool.... in my opinion it sucks major. I hope this will change soon, otherwise I'll look wether KDE fits my needs :( 18:05 < rxr> it is using the idea of ROCK Linux with a much worser implementation ... 18:05 < bluefire> chrisime_: Gnome 1.4 is cool. 18:05 < chrisime_> bluefire: ever tried? 18:05 < chrisime_> i mean gnome2 18:05 < chrisime_> i mean really tried 18:05 < chrisime_> i don't like gnome1.4 anymore since i got gnome2 18:05 < chrisime_> it's much smoother but lacks many features 18:05 < bluefire> chrisime_: I'm running the Debian Gnome2 on my other box. The new Nautilus sucks, the panels suck, gconf sucks. 18:05 < chrisime_> ok that's one point which sucks 18:06 < chrisime_> bluefire: erm. sucks <-- this isn't qualified answer 18:06 < bluefire> chrisime_: and what sucks even more is that I can't use my old applets anymore. 18:06 < chrisime_> bluefire: i have to leave now. please(!!) mail me what's so bad about it. be precise and i'll see what could be done. my address is chrisime@gnome.org 18:07 < bluefire> On Nautilus: no DnD in list view, can't configure fonts, segfault on cut/paste... 18:07 < chrisime_> bluefire: that's how things change, gnome1.4 is not compatible anymore 18:07 < chrisime_> bluefire: erm. i don't encounter those issues 18:07 < bluefire> chrisime_: There should at least be a wrapper to load the old stuff 18:07 < chrisime_> drag n drop with list view isn't implemented but will be for the next releases 18:08 < bluefire> chrisime_: metacity is far less powerful than sawfish. I hope the Debian guys get sawfish2 out soon. 18:08 < chrisime_> bluefire: the release team decided to not provide sth. like that 18:08 < chrisime_> bluefire: ok, this is quite subjective impressions 18:08 < chrisime_> but please mail me 18:08 < chrisime_> ok? 18:08 < chrisime_> chrisime@gnome.org 18:08 < chrisime_> it makes more sense 18:08 < bluefire> chrisime_: I've some work to do. But I guess I'll mail you. 18:08 < bluefire> ;) 18:08 < bluefire> chrisime_: cu then 18:09 < chrisime_> thank you 18:09 < chrisime_> every request is highly appreciated 18:09 < chrisime_> we need as many requests as possible coz we entering new land with gnome2 18:09 < chrisime_> sort of ;) 18:10 < chrisime_> s/we/we're 18:10 < bluefire> chrisime_: I hope you'll make it nice and cozy there. 18:10 < rxr> hm? sf CVS down ? 18:10 < chrisime_> bluefire: we'll try our best 18:11 < chrisime_> it's difficult to make it fit for everybody out there 18:11 -!- chrisime_ is now known as chrisPACK 18:12 < bluefire> chrisime_: no need to. just make it so flexible that people can choose. I don't want to have a highly integrated desktop (like windows) without the opportity to choose (windowmanager, filemanager, etc) 18:12 < chrisPACK> yeah 18:12 < chrisPACK> u can use gnome2 without nautilus 18:12 < chrisPACK> np 18:13 < chrisPACK> there's some minimal stuff which is needed 18:13 < chrisPACK> it's very flexible 18:13 < chrisPACK> configuration wise it's not as flexible as gnome1.x but we'll move on 18:13 < chrisPACK> believe me 18:21 < chrisPACK> ok, cu guys! 18:21 -!- chrisPACK [~chrisime@pD9E50AE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("foo") 18:32 -!- clifford [~clifford@M103P031.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:34 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.0.183] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 -!- raffi [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < raffi> Hallo. 19:10 -!- raffi_ [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:10 -!- raffi [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:51 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@B55f5.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:51 -!- raffi_ [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:51 < the][owl> re 19:59 < rxr> More ROCK Public Relations: -> https://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/1024243012/index_html 19:59 < huebi> rxr: nice ;-) 20:00 < rxr> huebi: ;-) We need more users ;-) And general knowledge *g* 20:00 < rxr> huebi: I also asked the German Linux Magazin for interest in an article ;-) 20:01 * huebi reading - and trieing to understand - ROCK Linux scripts ;-)) 20:02 < huebi> rxr: and _much_ more documentation in the scripts. 20:03 < huebi> rxr: What are differeces between arch-conf in ROCK and drock? 20:03 < huebi> except for the directory structure 20:09 < huebi> rxr: huhu? 20:13 < rxr> err yes - mom 20:13 < huebi> ;-) 20:14 < rxr> what do you mean? arch-conf is dRock is still the ROCK-1.4.0 layout - non x86 stuff is (I guess) broken ... 20:14 < rxr> s/is dRock/in dRock/ 20:14 < huebi> rxr: I still try to adopt linux and linux-src to from drock to rock 20:14 < huebi> ... 20:14 < huebi> wrong window 20:14 < rxr> it should not be that difficult - I ported it to ROCK - 1.7 in 20 minutes or so ... 20:15 < rxr> Did you tried using the ROCK-1.7 version ? 20:15 < huebi> no 20:15 < huebi> Why? 20:16 < rxr> ah ok 20:16 < rxr> maybe the dRock version is easier to port - we did some adaptions for some new 1.7 features ... 20:19 < huebi> Yes, I see. And it's not so easy to understand what happens there. No documentation. I have no time to understand sed 4-liners. I want to get the whole. And thats allmost impossible. 20:20 < huebi> In that way we don't get any new users. 20:21 < rxr> hm - my dRock linux-* stuff has some more comments ... 20:22 < huebi> rxr: What do you think about a Request for comments on the list? 20:22 < huebi> A simpler structure in the scripts could also be very nice. 20:23 < rxr> hm -the dRock one should really not too difficult to follow 20:23 < rxr> huebi: I'm not sure if we need too much trouble about this - simply adding usefull once with the usual maintenance work whould be enough ... - noone wants to sit down and comment them at once ... 20:24 < huebi> I just write scripts for newbies. These are longer and often not as elegant as they cold be but they are understood in minutes not in hours or days. And most people give up after at the most 2or 3 hours 20:24 < rxr> the linux kernel one should be quite ok ... - sure you need some knowledge but: "echo " merging: 'arch/$lx_cpu/defconfig'" for the next while read ... sed ... lines should be ok ... 20:25 < huebi> and a small description what the sed/awh/whatever line does. 20:26 < huebi> That is the problem. 20:28 < rxr> this would suck - a comment for the next say 4 lines should be enough - otherwise the script would be 50% comments ... :-( and become really unreadable ... 20:28 < rxr> for example "echo "Selecting modules ...."" 20:28 < rxr> do you need more for the following 3 lines (where one is anyway commented out ...) 20:28 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 20:30 < huebi> "pz-config.sh" <- there I found a nice comment on a lond sed line. Thats kool. 20:31 < huebi> More comments are essential. 20:31 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@B55f5.pppool.de] has quit ("reconnect. having probs with f***** off eumex again :(") 20:31 < huebi> For people not perfect in scripting rock will betoo frustrating. 20:33 < huebi> I change linux to build a CPU specific kernel again. 20:37 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@213.7.84.178] has joined #rocklinux 20:37 < SMP> huebi: hast du eigentlich mein mail bzgl. download.rocklinux.de/world zu Kenntnis nehmen koennen? 20:38 -!- lizard_ [~lizard@pD9048562.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 < rxr> huebi: ?? In dRock and 1.7 we have a CPU specific kernel ... ?!? 20:40 < huebi> SMP: Noch nicht. moment 20:42 < huebi> SMP: gelesen ;-) 20:43 < SMP> ok 20:43 < huebi> SMP: world koennte dann als Mastermirrorserver dienen? 20:44 < SMP> unklar. haengt vom Standort ab. hier eher nicht. 20:46 < huebi> SMP: ok 20:55 -!- lizard [~lizard@pD9048581.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:06 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:06 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:07 -!- lizard_ is now known as lizard 21:11 < clifford> rxr - still listening? 21:15 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 21:15 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11628.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 < tsa> moin 21:16 < the][owl> tach tsa 21:24 -!- raffi_ [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:28 < tsa> hi raffi_ 21:29 < rxr> hi clifford 21:29 < rxr> hi tsa 21:29 < tsa> hi rxr 21:29 < rxr> clifford: are you still here ? ;-) 21:30 < tsa> hehe 21:30 < tsa> rxr: was macht der fix fuer jack? 21:30 < rxr> hm -ach das gtk problem ... 21:31 < tsa> naja, derzeit fangen die probleme schon viel frueher an....dietlibc bricht in stage 0 21:31 < rxr> hm - jack lief hier in stage 3 und 9 durch ... 21:32 < tsa> == 06/16/02 21:32:10 =[0]=> Aborted building package dietlibc. 21:32 < tsa> grrrr.. 21:35 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 21:37 < tomik> re 21:37 < clifford> rxr: still here? (sync! sync! :-) 21:37 < rxr> jups hi clifford ;-)! 21:38 < clifford> aehm ... wrong channel for that issue - let's talk on #gsmp (so it's in the right log file :-) 21:38 < rxr> ;-) 21:47 < tsa> hehe 21:59 < hackbard> the umount_l trick in Build-Pkg still doesnt work here 22:00 < clifford> hackbard: please fix it and send a patch ... 22:03 < tsa> clifford: some of the changes in the last two snapshots made dietlibc fail in stage 0.. 22:03 < tsa> at linuxtag, it was compiling without problem.. 22:05 < clifford> tsa: please mail me the 0-dietlibc.err file. 22:08 < tsa> ok, mail sent. 22:19 < huebi> hi tsa 22:19 < huebi> hi tomik 22:19 < huebi> ;-) 22:20 < tsa> huhu huebi 22:31 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:47 < tsa> clifford: no problems with dietlibc in stage 2... 22:47 -!- raffi_ [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:47 < clifford> tsa: seams to be a problem with the cross-building fix. I will look at it later. 22:48 < tsa> ok.. 22:53 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 22:54 -!- smile22 [~tobias@pD9E3961D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:55 -!- smile22 [~tobias@pD9E3961D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 22:57 -!- term_aweh [~pm@pD958B20D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("zz") 23:13 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 23:14 < hackbard> one question, R_(u)mount.sh is no more used, right? 23:18 < ringo78> how do I nfs mount a dir to another machine which files do need to alter ? Does anybody know a good FAQ 23:18 < huebi> rxr: man exportfs ;-) 23:18 < hackbard> hihi 23:19 < hackbard> rxr, u dont know how to nfs mount? :p 23:19 < huebi> /rock-orig 192.168.100.0/24(ro,no_root_squash) 23:20 < huebi> root@zeus:/# cat /etc/exports 23:20 < huebi> # / 192.168.100.0/24(rw,no_root_squash) 23:20 < huebi> /rock-orig 192.168.100.0/24(ro,no_root_squash) 23:20 < huebi> /rock-linux 192.168.100.0/24(ro,no_root_squash) 23:21 < huebi> root@blubber:# mount zeus:rock-orig /mnt 23:21 < huebi> s/ro/rw/ 23:21 < ringo78> thanks ! a lot huebi! I go and try ! 23:22 < huebi> rw,no_root_squash <- full access for root. 23:24 < ringo78> ok thanks huebi got to back up soem files from a wxx machine .... 23:25 < ringo78> s/soem/some 23:34 -!- raffi_ [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #rocklinux 23:40 < rxr> hi huebi 23:40 < rxr> er hackbard 23:42 < hackbard> ja, war ein schlechter joke - huebi hatte statt ringo rxr gesagt :p 23:43 < huebi> hackbard: *g* stimmt 23:43 < hackbard> :) 23:47 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 23:52 < lizard> hmpf, hat einer von euch MPlayer? Wie stell ich das scaling ein (fullscreen..) ? 23:52 < hackbard> -fs 23:52 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11628.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:53 < lizard> yep, fullscreen macht er. aber er scaled nicht das bild.. :-( 23:53 < lizard> ist das treiberspezifisch? 23:54 < lizard> (also die bildgroesse bleibt immer gleich) 23:54 < hackbard> achso, probier mal anderen vo 23:54 < rxr> cool the first post on the ROCK Linux && Gnome2 page ;-) 23:54 < hackbard> bei x11 macht er dass bei mir auch nicht, mit xv geht es gut 23:54 < rxr> https://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/1024243012/ 23:55 < lizard> hackbard: yo werd ich 23:58 < rxr> so new ROCK-1.7 build started with x11 and rene repository updated to the latest version for each package .... --- Log closed Mon Jun 17 00:00:26 2002