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--- Log opened Wed Dec 04 00:00:19 2002 --- Day changed Wed Dec 04 2002 00:00 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc3-stoc3-4-cust114.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:10 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E390EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:45 -!- tsa_ [~tsa@p5082BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:45 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD95257A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: tsa_!~tsa@p5082BB06.dip.t-dialin.net))) 01:46 -!- tsa_ is now known as tsa 01:46 < tsa> er. 01:46 < tsa> re even 02:14 -!- chrisime is now known as chriZzzz 02:44 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:26 -!- kasc [~shaman@p5090B493.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:36 -!- kasc [~shaman@p5090BE24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:43 -!- blindcod1r [~blindcode@pD9E4F839.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:47 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-170-160.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:50 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-201-105.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:01 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4F830.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:04 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 06:05 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-222.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:19 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:19 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co -P rock-1.5 && cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 06:19 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Thu Nov 21 19:29:37 2002] 06:19 (Users #rocklinux) 06:19 [ [anders] ] [ esden ] [ ichilton ] [ praenti ] [ SMP ] 06:19 [ aszlig ] [ fake ] [ kasc ] [ rolla ] [ snyke] 06:19 [ blindcod1r] [ hackbard] [ mayan ] [ rolla_home] [ th_ ] 06:19 [ chriZzzz ] [ huebi ] [ paperclip] [ simon ] [ voran] 06:19 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 06:19 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002 06:19 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 10 secs 06:20 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-222.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:20 -!- LoriZzZ [~Lorini@p3EE219EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:38 < LoriZzZ> moin 07:05 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-222.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:05 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-139.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:15 -!- LoriZzZ is now known as Lorini 08:10 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-139.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:15 -!- raffi [~raffi@193.170.41.114] has joined #rocklinux 08:15 < raffi> hi 08:20 < blindcod1r> moin 08:20 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 08:29 -!- zer0_o^ [~zer0_o@217.14.64.20] has joined #rocklinux 08:31 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-168-255.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:11 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-200-147.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:12 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-168-255.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:15 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 10:07 < blindcoder> hehe the gnu homepage is always good for a laugh :) 10:35 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E399E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:35 < th_> moin 11:45 -!- chriZzzz_ [~chrisime@mnch-d9ba47b4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:52 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E399E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client excited") 11:53 -!- chriZzzz [~chrisime@mnch-d9ba4236.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:13 < esden> morning 12:22 < raffi> hi 12:22 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:28 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 12:30 < esden> hmm ... and ... off 12:46 < blindcoder> damn you, esden! 14:35 -!- cpepe [root@p508094AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:38 < rolla_home> re 14:39 < blindcoder> re rolla_home 14:39 < blindcoder> finally someone is here :) 14:41 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:41 < owl> hi 14:42 -!- raffi [~raffi@193.170.41.114] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:42 < blindcoder> hi owli! 14:42 < esden> re 14:42 < blindcoder> re esden :) 14:42 < owl> hi esden, blindcoder 14:42 < esden> damn me ? 14:43 < esden> hi owl 14:43 < blindcoder> just wanted to get your attention :) 14:43 < esden> now you have my attention 14:43 < blindcoder> esden: will you be @bitz this evening? 14:44 < blindcoder> owl: 1735? 14:46 < owl> blindcoder: noe. bin zuhause. 14:47 < blindcoder> owl: krankgeschrieben? 14:47 < esden> blindcoder: yes I will be there 14:47 < owl> blindcoder: jep. diese woche. virusgrippe... ;P 14:47 * -> esden has to take the train today >_< 14:47 < owl> esden: haha. welchen denn? 14:48 < blindcoder> esden: okay, then I'll come round at about 1830 14:48 < blindcoder> owl: gute besserung! 14:48 < esden> ssh weasel@owl -e "export LANG=en_EN" 14:48 < esden> blindcoder: kk 14:49 < blindcoder> well, that way I can drink my coffee undisturbed :) 14:49 < esden> blindcoder: do you have something to show ? 14:49 < blindcoder> esden: which train? 14:49 < owl> blindcoder: danke. 14:49 < esden> I will try to get the one around 17:00 or so ... 14:50 < owl> esden: why english? can't you understand german anymore? or is the stuff we're talking about interesting for guys who just can speak english?!!!! 14:50 < blindcoder> esden: 1735!!! 14:51 < esden> owl: no ... but in this channel german language is depricated 14:52 < blindcoder> if (getenv('LANG') != "en_EN") warn "MEEP MEEP!\n"; 14:52 < owl> esden: oh great. but - why are other people speaking german then, sometimes? or spanish...? cuz it's not depricated if THOSE GUYS r speaking it?! 14:52 < owl> !!!!!!!!! 14:52 < owl> and bye esden 14:53 < blindcoder> "multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind." 14:53 < owl> if you're annoyed then try to get a girlfriend and annoy her! but not _ME_!!! 14:53 < blindcoder> owl: he's trying, can't you see? 14:53 < blindcoder> :) 14:53 < esden> lol owl is in bad mood ;-) 14:54 < esden> ok ... so I am off ... I will try to get the 17:35 train @ blindcoder 14:54 * -> esden off 14:54 < owl> esden: not in bad mood! but i can't see someone complaining about the fscking language ! noone expecting YOU! and _you_ can understand german! 14:54 < owl> so DON'T COMPLAIN!!!!!!! 14:54 < owl> *ARGH* 14:54 < blindcoder> owl: calm down, will ya? 14:55 < owl> blindcoder: esden is off --> yes, i will calm down! 14:55 < owl> (expecting someone else will anoy me) 14:55 < owl> s/anoy/offend 14:55 < blindcoder> you mean except... 14:55 < owl> yea 14:55 < blindcoder> I don't think you _expect_ someone to anny you :{ 14:56 < blindcoder> ;) 14:56 < owl> damn. i have fever. i can't think right now 14:56 < blindcoder> But I could if you like :) 14:56 < owl> blindcoder: *grml* ;P 14:56 < blindcoder> s/right now// 14:57 < blindcoder> wie lang biste krankgeschrieben? 14:57 < owl> nur bis einschl. freitag. 14:58 < blindcoder> also rest der woche 14:58 < owl> genau. ich lasse dich im stich ;PPP 14:58 < blindcoder> Weib halt 14:59 < owl> heh!!! 14:59 < blindcoder> is doch so 15:00 < owl> noe. 15:00 < blindcoder> doch doch doch! 15:00 < owl> nein, nein, nein. 15:01 < owl> aber maenner - die sind untreu, lassen einem im stich, wenn's ihnen dannach ist und brauchen eine freundin eigentlich nur zum fscken und wenn ihnen sonst nix besseres einfaellt. 15:01 < owl> bzw. wenn ihnen langweilig ist. 15:02 < blindcoder> diese einstellung koennte der Grund sein warum du keinen mann findest... 15:02 < owl> blindcoder: noe. warum denn? ich koennte einen haben... wenn ich wollte... (du weisst schon wer...) 15:03 < blindcoder> hm? n, ehrlich gesagt nicht... es sei denn... 15:03 < owl> j. 15:09 < rolla> re 15:10 < blindcoder> re rolla 15:10 < owl> hi rolla 15:10 < rolla> hallo 15:16 * SMP _braucht_ ueberhaupt keine Freundin 15:17 < owl> hi SMP 15:17 < blindcoder> well... needing a gf is one hthing... wanting another 15:17 < blindcoder> hi SMP btw. :) 15:29 -!- temr [~pm@pD9E3322E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:29 < temr> hi 15:29 < blindcoder> hi temr 15:30 < owl> hi temr 15:37 -!- codeq [~dennis@pD9EB6EEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:37 < codeq> hi 15:37 < blindcoder> hi codeq 15:38 -!- bfinch|away [~bfinch@12-222-100-103.client.insightBB.com] has joined #rocklinux 15:39 < bfinch|away> hello 15:39 < owl> hi bfinch|away 15:40 -!- simon-- [49dd4c749a@62.140.27.4] has joined #rocklinux 15:40 < blindcoder> hi finch 15:41 -!- simon [049b760072@62.140.27.4] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:42 < bfinch|away> hey guys 15:43 < bfinch|away> i am a sorcerer user...and welli am lurking 15:43 < bfinch|away> just downloaded the drock stuff to look at 15:43 < bfinch|away> how does rock compare to sorcerer? 15:44 < blindcoder> that's a good question... never had a look at sorcerer 15:44 < bfinch|away> well..ican tellya briefly about it, if that would help 15:44 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:45 < blindcoder> wasn't it that when you 'cast' a spell (package) it gets downloaded and compiled? 15:45 < blindcoder> or am I mixing stuff up? 15:45 < bfinch|away> well , basically.... 15:45 < bfinch|away> ...but it does the following 15:46 < bfinch|away> tracks files as they are installed as to both location, which package they "belong to', and their md5sum 15:47 < bfinch|away> which allows for downgrading, upgrading, repair, and conflict respolution 15:47 < blindcoder> hmm that would be equal to the "flists" except that we don't do md5summing of installed files 15:47 < bfinch|away> also allows for variable provides as wella s variable dependancy resolution 15:47 < bfinch|away> oh o.k. 15:48 < bfinch|away> wellt he md5sum comes in handy...as verification and (if needed) repair 15:48 < blindcoder> rock basically looks this: 15:48 < blindcoder> you get rock itself (about 1.5 MB) 15:49 < blindcoder> then configure what you want (libc, gcc, any other packages, optimisation et al) 15:49 < blindcoder> then download the packages (programs: starting from said gcc libc until apache mysql and that stuff 15:50 < blindcoder> then it gets compiled and packaged into .gem or .tar.bz2 15:50 < blindcoder> You then burn the compiled packages and install-disks etc. on one or more CDs (script included) and throw that into you box 15:50 < blindcoder> where fou can install it then 15:50 < blindcoder> s/fou/you/ 15:51 < bfinch|away> ah 15:51 < bfinch|away> um.... 15:52 < blindcoder> dependancies are relosved during a 'reference build' and stored in the packages' .cache files 15:52 < bfinch|away> is EACH package then a tarball or gem ? 15:52 < blindcoder> yes it is. 15:52 < bfinch|away> ah 15:52 < bfinch|away> k 15:52 < bfinch|away> what is a gem? 15:52 < blindcoder> a gem is a package format. it includes the .tar.bz2 and some other metadata such as package category 15:52 < bfinch|away> how are dependancies resolved...that isn;t clear to me 15:53 < bfinch|away> ah 15:53 < bfinch|away> k on gem 15:53 < blindcoder> hmm... I haven't looked into that code myself.... but they are stored in the .cache files. during the build-process the packages are compiled by priority, so usually there shouldn't be any problem... 15:54 < bfinch|away> where is priority defined ? 15:54 < blindcoder> all this is on 1.7/2.0 and there is still a lot of work to do on deps with installing the packages 15:54 < bfinch|away> and who(m) does that? 15:54 < blindcoder> priority is in the .desc files and (curently) made by hand 15:55 < bfinch|away> k 15:55 < bfinch|away> so you define the depenadacies by hand.... 15:56 < bfinch|away> so what is the "refernce build" you were alluding to? 15:56 < blindcoder> no, these are resolved by a reference build 15:56 < bfinch|away> so the priority is the build order then? 15:56 < blindcoder> A reference build creates what can be seen here: https://www.rocklinux.org/packages/ 15:56 < blindcoder> yes, it is 15:56 < bfinch|away> k 15:57 < blindcoder> Compilation time, compilesdependencies and broken/not broken are checked in a refbuild 15:57 < bfinch|away> how is a reference buidl different form any other build? 15:57 < blindcoder> It takes a little more time and is usually only done by clifford :) 15:58 < bfinch|away> hmmmm 15:58 < bfinch|away> interesting 15:58 < bfinch|away> k 15:58 < blindcoder> a 'normal user' shouldn't usually have the need for a ref-build 15:58 < bfinch|away> i think i understand now 15:58 < bfinch|away> tu 15:59 < bfinch|away> do "normal users" ever expected to compile anything? 15:59 < blindcoder> sorry if I'm not clear enough, but english isn't my first language :) 15:59 < bfinch|away> k 15:59 < bfinch|away> you are doing fine 15:59 < bfinch|away> i am getting this picture; 15:59 < blindcoder> sure. the generic and bootdisk target and other things like that 15:59 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522790.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:59 < blindcoder> hi bluefire 16:00 < bluefire> hiho 16:00 < bfinch|away> first level (top level) is a refernce build , which creates and/or verifies the build data and meta-data about the compilation of sources... 16:00 < blindcoder> yes 16:01 < bfinch|away> second level is a working build (for lack of a better name) which is pre-definded build processes...all necessary metadata is included and is based on a "gem" package format 16:01 < blindcoder> yes 16:02 < blindcoder> well.. not based, but 'put into' 16:02 < bfinch|away> thrid level is the working binary distro , created by eihter level one or two and the process of making a working cd to boot and transfer the binarys 16:02 < bfinch|away> ah...so the 2nd level build creates the gem package..not the first level? 16:02 < blindcoder> ekactly 16:02 < bfinch|away> ah 16:03 < blindcoder> you could compare gem to something like dep or rpm 16:03 < bfinch|away> so level three must work from levle tqwo and not level one 16:03 < blindcoder> deb, not dep 16:03 < bfinch|away> yeah 16:03 < bfinch|away> o.k. 16:03 < bfinch|away> hmmmm 16:03 < blindcoder> right. 16:03 < bfinch|away> interesting 16:03 < bfinch|away> well sorcerer allows the user to create whatever on the fly 16:03 < bfinch|away> what amounts to level one and two are combined 16:03 < bfinch|away> and there is no level 3 16:04 < blindcoder> you can do that too 16:04 < bfinch|away> and (as i mentioned earlier) it is self-healing 16:04 < blindcoder> cd /usr/src/rock-src 16:04 < bfinch|away> k 16:04 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg nethack 16:04 < blindcoder> for example 16:04 < bfinch|away> k 16:04 < bfinch|away> is this well documented....? 16:04 < blindcoder> then the package gets built into the runnung system 16:05 < bfinch|away> cuase i didn;t get this at all with a 10 minute looksee 16:05 < bfinch|away> k on scripts 16:05 < bfinch|away> tu 16:05 < blindcoder> hmm... ./scripts/Help should be your friend as well as documentation/BUILD 16:05 < bfinch|away> thanxs for answering my questions 16:05 < blindcoder> no problem :) 16:05 < bfinch|away> well..... 16:06 < bfinch|away> the point is , you have given me much more info than i would have found at the various rock websites in many hours of poking about 16:06 < bfinch|away> so i really appreciate it 16:06 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 16:07 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should write an article for Ralling Rock #2 :) 16:07 < bfinch|away> so the refernce build is more for verifying a package-build instruction set? 16:07 < bfinch|away> or something else? 16:08 < blindcoder> yes, you could say so. It marks packages as broken/okay, resolves deps and some other fancy stuff. 16:08 < bfinch|away> someone needs to make it clear what is going on.... 16:08 < bfinch|away> IMHO 16:08 < bfinch|away> at sorcerer we just declare a dependancy 16:08 < bfinch|away> and we can use any package as a dependancy resolution 16:09 < bfinch|away> (variable dependancy) 16:09 < bfinch|away> the dependancy is declatred in the info 16:09 < bfinch|away> and the ordering is automatic 16:09 < blindcoder> hmm compile-dependancy usually doesn't change that often and there's currently no runtime-dep-checking if I'm not mistaken 16:09 < bfinch|away> k 16:10 < bfinch|away> tu again 16:10 < blindcoder> np again :) 16:11 < bfinch|away> the idea is that the SA knows what he wants....and if he wants to change anything...that is fine....the idea is the commands that perform the work shoudl also do the build-ordering for you 16:11 < bfinch|away> sot he commands are; 16:12 < bfinch|away> cast (build), dispel (downgrade or remove) , heal (verify and (if needed do the repair(s)), and augur (to look, discover, and manage) 16:12 < blindcoder> if I read a discussion that currently takes place at the RL-Mailinglist exactly this thing is done when doing a cluster build... why it is not for a 'normal' build, don't know right now 16:12 < bfinch|away> k 16:14 < bfinch|away> all of the "metadata" that is related to defining the package is stored as file(s) in a grimoire ("spell book") 16:14 < bfinch|away> and metadata related to the install is stored in a log area as flat files... 16:15 < bfinch|away> it is really just that simple 16:15 < bfinch|away> i think you guys need to define stuff on your web site as simply 16:15 < bfinch|away> i think it could help 16:16 < blindcoder> hmm... I think it already is that simple here, too. Just a little... underdocumented :) 16:16 < bfinch|away> the documentation was/is a kludge IMHO 16:16 < bfinch|away> ours stinks 16:16 < bfinch|away> but it is to the point 16:16 < bfinch|away> yours meanders 16:17 < bfinch|away> i am bored long before i get to the point 16:17 < bfinch|away> point first 16:17 < bfinch|away> mechanism second 16:17 < bfinch|away> should be the way it is written 16:17 < bfinch|away> IMHO 16:18 < blindcoder> haven't had much look on 'user'-documentation. I usually read the code if I need to find something out 16:18 < bfinch|away> it is also all over the place..leterally and fiquratively 16:18 < blindcoder> so I can't really say anything about the docs 16:18 < bfinch|away> what attracted you to rock in the first place? 16:19 < blindcoder> the fact that I did't like SuSE anymore and that debian fscked its packages up more often than not 16:19 < bfinch|away> and how did you find it 16:19 < blindcoder> two friends of mine pointed me to ROCK then and I had a better look at it on the 18C3 in Berlin 16:19 < bfinch|away> ah 16:19 < bfinch|away> firends 16:19 < bfinch|away> o.k. 16:19 < bfinch|away> !!! 16:20 < blindcoder> after that I poked around with it a bit, wrote a package or two and my patches were applied mostly. So I was happy :) 16:21 < blindcoder> I alssso like the fact that it doesn't try to hide most of the system from you like most 'big' distros do 16:22 -!- wildchild [wildchild@219.65.33.198] has joined #rocklinux 16:23 -!- wildchild [wildchild@219.65.33.198] has left #rocklinux () 16:25 < bfinch|away> k 16:25 < bfinch|away> well i like the fact that is just some scripting 16:25 < bfinch|away> as is sorcerer 16:25 < bfinch|away> which is cool 16:25 < bfinch|away> gentoo is a mess and the coding is "effectively" hidden (at least that is the way i see it) 16:26 < bfinch|away> and i agree about trying to keep things not hidden 16:28 < blindcoder> I had a look at gentoo with esden 16:28 < blindcoder> We absolutely didn't like that it wanted to install XFree when we wanted to install nethack or vim 16:29 < blindcoder> and search through its docs and website revealed nothing whereas a mail to its mailinglist brought some... interesting results: 16:30 < blindcoder> Answer #1: just export Variable IDONTREMEMBERTHENAME to "-X" 16:30 < blindcoder> (didn't work) 16:30 < blindcoder> Answer #2: "It's possible but I don't know how" 16:30 < blindcoder> Answer #3: "It's not possible" 16:31 < blindcoder> unfortunately this is no joke 16:32 < owl> blindcoder: still working? huh? 16:32 < blindcoder> owl: do you have hannes' phone number? 16:32 < owl> blindcoder: yes. moment 16:34 < bfinch|away> blindcoder: yeah i hear alot fo stuff like that 16:34 < bfinch|away> well time to go 16:34 < blindcoder> okay bye! and have fun :) 16:34 < bfinch|away> thanka you again for your time and graciously putting up with my questions and observations 16:34 < bfinch|away> you too 16:35 < bfinch|away> very best reagards 16:35 < blindcoder> oh I will. Time to go home in 30 minutes 16:35 < owl> bye blindcoder. have fun, too 16:35 < blindcoder> owl: I'm not leaving (yet) 16:36 < owl> haeh? 16:40 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should that customer... 16:40 < blindcoder> should call that 16:42 < owl> haeh? which one? 16:42 < blindcoder> the one who wants to have lynx installed 16:43 < blindcoder> I would have to tell him that he won't have it until Monday cause I've been too lazy to call the Serverteam 16:43 < blindcoder> nah... if it bothers him, I'm sure he'll call again :D 16:44 < owl> hm. 16:44 < blindcoder> okay I'm cleaning up now and leaving then 16:44 < blindcoder> bye bye! 16:45 < owl> bye. have fun. 16:56 < snyke> hm 16:59 < owl> hi snyke 17:10 < zer0_o^> 0wn3ge + kn0wlege = owl-ege 17:11 -!- zer0_o^ [~zer0_o@217.14.64.20] has quit () 17:19 -!- raffi [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:20 < raffi> hhi 17:24 < owl> hi raffi 17:34 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has quit ("testing ...") 17:43 -!- cpepe [root@p508094AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:48 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:56 -!- Satg [~Satg98@196.40.66.18] has joined #rocklinux 18:11 -!- chriZzzz_ is now known as chrisime 18:11 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@p3EE218E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:13 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@p3EE219EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:13 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:36 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-200-147.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:36 < raffi> hi owl 18:38 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 18:38 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-120.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813E69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 * tcr hails all 18:46 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 18:47 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has quit ("rebooting") 18:48 < Lorini> hi everybody 18:50 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:50 < owl> re 18:50 -!- cpepe [root@p508094AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:51 < Lorini> re owl 18:51 < tcr> hi 3v1l r00t 18:51 < owl> hi Lorini, tcr, cpepe 18:58 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o SMP] by ChanServ 18:58 -!- cpepe was kicked from #rocklinux by SMP (don't irc as root) 18:58 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o SMP] by SMP 18:58 < owl> *lol* 18:59 < Lorini> huch? 18:59 < owl> Lorini: ? 19:00 < Lorini> kicken weil er als root da is? 19:00 < owl> Lorini: sicher. 19:00 < th_> ack 19:00 < SMP> wegen offensichtlicher Daemlichkeit 19:01 < owl> th_: hi 19:01 < blindcoder> being wrong about people would be nice nometimes 19:01 < th_> huhu owl 19:01 < blindcoder> hi all 19:02 < owl> hi blindcoder 19:02 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522790.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:17 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-120.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:23 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-172-121.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:27 < owl> damn. i go to bed. gn8 20:27 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has quit ("owl_ill. bed_needed. NOW") 20:29 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 20:29 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 20:37 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:49 -!- Freak [freak@p50839D1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:52 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522D90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:21 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813E69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 21:21 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:21 < owl> *grml* 21:21 < owl> re 21:25 < blindcoder> schlaflos? 21:25 < SMP> can't sleep? 21:26 < owl> yep. that's horrible :-( 21:26 < blindcoder> I know that feeling... 21:26 < blindcoder> You could try some reading 21:26 < owl> blindcoder: hm. why? 21:27 < SMP> . o O ( maybe owl's just missing a hug? ) 21:27 < raffi> lol 21:27 < owl> SMP: *lol* not really. 21:27 < blindcoder> and I mean a book. Not a manual. Something like Discworld 21:27 < Lorini> owl: think about something that you love 21:28 < owl> blindcoder: i tried reading, listening to music. and so on. i know that _one_ thing could help. but i don't wanna take those fscking pills anymore. 21:28 -!- bfinch|away [~bfinch@12-222-100-103.client.insightBB.com] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:28 < blindcoder> that would be her Laptop :) 21:28 < owl> Lorini: ancoras? oh yeah ;) 21:28 < owl> blindcoder: full ack :) 21:28 < SMP> Lorini: oh I think she has her Laptop right under her pillow ;> 21:28 < blindcoder> One ancoras jumps over the fence. Two ancoras jump over the fence. 21:28 < owl> SMP: i have no pillow anymore. my notebook = my pillow ;) 21:28 < Lorini> *g* 21:29 < owl> blindcoder: eh, that's not fair ;P 21:29 * blindcoder can't sleep either, so he watches Nadesico :) 21:29 < blindcoder> And finally I know where "Naze Nani MegaTokyo" came from :) 21:29 < owl> blindcoder: hehe ;) welcome in the club of sleepless people. who else wants to join? ;) 21:29 < owl> na, was-fuer-ein-ding? 21:29 < SMP> . o O ( One 1.5.20 ISO down the line, two 1.5.20 ISOs down the line, ... ) 21:30 < owl> *g* 21:30 < blindcoder> owl: an episode of Megatokyo titled "Naze nani Megatokyo" (haw ond why of MegaTokyo" 21:30 * Lorini joining 21:30 < owl> uff. k. 21:30 < Lorini> where is cap btw? 21:30 * blindcoder letting up the mixers again 21:31 < blindcoder> Lorini: I thought _you_ should know?! 21:31 * Freak killing you softly with this song Helge Schneider - Magiuhana is nit gutta 21:31 < Lorini> blindcoder: mhm. i just wondered why he isnt in here 21:31 * blindcoder drowning Freak in Sulfuracid 21:31 < Freak> hehe 21:32 < Freak> *melting* 21:32 < blindcoder> Lorini: I see 21:33 * blindcoder searching Naze Nani MegaTokyo 21:33 < owl> Lorini: hm. don't you have his mobile phone nr.? ;) 21:33 * owl tries to destroy her headache with: in strict confidence - learn to live 21:34 < Lorini> owl: yes of course. he is online.. but not in _here_ and that after he wanted me to come here :) 21:34 * blindcoder listening to Hunz - Broken Wings ("You've come a long way to die tonight") 21:34 < owl> Lorini: hm. why do you complain, if you see, that he's online? (in icq or something like that?) ;) 21:35 < Lorini> owl: im not complaining.. just wondering 21:35 < owl> ah so 21:36 -!- Satg [~Satg98@196.40.66.18] has quit () 21:36 < blindcoder> here is one: https://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=220 21:36 < blindcoder> and it's derived from "Naze Nani Nadesico": Martian Successor Nadesico Episode 13 21:37 < blindcoder> Lorini: think positive! There are people who've lost almost any reason to came here 21:39 * Lorini thinking positive 21:40 < praenti> hi 21:41 < praenti> blindcoder: can you help me with creating a 1.7 iso? 21:41 < blindcoder> praenti: what's the problem? 21:41 < praenti> what i have to type after build-target has finished. documentation says that this is not implemented yet 21:42 < owl> hi praenti 21:42 < owl> Lorini: optimistin? 21:42 < blindcoder> have you built a bootdisk-target as well? 21:42 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Config -cfg bootdisk 21:43 < praenti> how do i do that? 21:43 < blindcoder> Then Target 'bootdisk' 21:43 < Lorini> owl: nein, ich tu nur so 21:43 < blindcoder> then ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg bootdisk 21:44 < owl> Lorini: gut so. pessimisten leben laenger ;) 21:45 < blindcoder> and then you can do: ./scripts/Create-ISO -size 700 my_cd_set bootdisk whateveryourotherconfigiscalled 21:45 < praenti> ok. now i'm waiting. how do i continue then? 21:45 < praenti> ok 21:45 < praenti> thx 21:45 < blindcoder> then you'll have a nice set of easy-to-burn isos 21:45 < blindcoder> btw: installation as follows: 21:46 < blindcoder> partitioning mounting etc, and then `mine -i -v -root /mnt/target /mnt/source/blablabla/*.gem` repeat as necessary for each CD 21:47 < Lorini> owl: genau so ist es. wobei ich ein "länger" durch ein "besser" ersetzen würde 21:48 < owl> Lorini: nack. imho laenger... laenger und gequaelter oder so 21:48 < blindcoder> Lorini: Optimist sein ist schwierig 21:49 < Lorini> owl: pessimisten bringen sich eher um 21:49 < rolla> vim 21:49 < Lorini> blindcoder: naja.. wie mans nimmt 21:49 < rolla> damn wrong window 21:50 < owl> Lorini: ... oder vegetieren jahrelang vor sich hin. und da sie immer pech haben, sterben sie dann eh erst in einem hohen alter... 21:51 < Lorini> owl: pessimisten haben aber nicht immer pech.. sie denken nur sie haben immer pech 21:52 < blindcoder> hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they are _NOT_ after me! 21:52 < Lorini> lol 21:52 < owl> Lorini: *gruebel* wirklich? ich kann mich an nichts positives mehr erinnern... 21:53 < Lorini> owl: ja.. aber das bedeutet ja nicht, dass da nichts war. an manches erinnert man sich eben net 21:54 * blindcoder erinnert sich an die letzten zwei Jahre... und springt ausm Fenster... 21:54 < blindcoder> _VERDAMMT_! 21:54 < blindcoder> Erdgeschoss :) 21:55 < Lorini> *g* tja.. leute ohne grips habens schwer 21:55 * blindcoder <--- Baaakaaa! 21:56 * SMP goes to bed (and will sleep like a baby ;p) 21:56 < owl> SMP: gute nacht. bye. 21:56 < blindcoder> night SMP! 21:57 < rolla> b4k4 21:57 < blindcoder> haaai! 21:57 < rolla> l33t 21:57 < rolla> b33r 21:57 < blindcoder> Capture the b34r! 21:57 < rolla> f4@r 21:57 < owl> hi rolla 21:58 < blindcoder> ph34r m4 l33t n3kkid sk1llz! 21:58 < owl> oh god. what's wrong today? i read "beer" so often... 21:58 < blindcoder> got root (beer)? 21:58 < rolla> :) 21:58 < rolla> too much mega tokyo 21:58 < owl> too much anime 21:59 < blindcoder> rolla: yes... and I finally found out where "Naze Nani Megatokyo" came from :) 21:59 < owl> now just the word "w33d" is missing ;P 21:59 < blindcoder> m00t! 21:59 < blindcoder> w00t! 21:59 < owl> tstststst. 22:02 < rolla> owl never 22:03 < blindcoder> rolla: can there be such a thing as 'too much anime"? 22:03 < owl> rolla: why not? ;) 22:03 < blindcoder> owl: this clearly states that you don't know what Anime is :3 22:04 < owl> blindcoder: bllllllllllll ;PPPP 22:04 * blindcoder pulling owl tongue out and letting it snatch back 22:04 < owl> ts. boeser blindcoder ;P 22:05 * blindcoder <-- 3v1l l33t 22:06 < blindcoder> owl: don't FAOK 22:06 < owl> faok? 22:06 < rolla> nope 22:06 < owl> huh? 22:06 < rolla> w33d :( 22:07 < blindcoder> _f_ allen _a_ sleep _o_ ver _k_ eyboard 22:07 < rolla> and there can never be to much Anime :) 22:07 < owl> blindcoder: i won't 22:07 < blindcoder> rolla: You'll never find such cute girls in Real Life, that's the sad thing >_< 22:08 < rolla> true. But my wife is plenty cute for me :) 22:08 < blindcoder> *pure* *envy* 22:08 -!- Freak [freak@p50839D1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client excited") 22:13 * blindcoder going to bed, dreaming of a better life 22:13 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai, mina-san!! 22:13 < Lorini> hm 22:13 < Lorini> heißt das gute nacht? 22:14 < blindcoder> ja :) 22:14 < Lorini> *g* 22:14 < Lorini> nacht du 22:14 < blindcoder> "oyasumi nasai" = Gute Nacht 22:14 < blindcoder> "Mina" = Alle, Jeder 22:14 < Lorini> jepp.. sagt ein freund auch immer.. 22:14 < Lorini> daher kannte ichs :) 22:14 < blindcoder> "-san" = 'foermliche' Nachsilbe :) 22:14 < blindcoder> gute nacht *winke*\ 22:15 < Lorini> nacht :) 22:15 < owl> gute nacht blindcoder 22:17 < raffi> bye 22:21 < owl> I HATE THOSE FSCKING PARENTS!!!!!!! *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:22 < raffi> what's wrong with them? 22:23 < owl> they want to force me to sleep. but i can't sleep right now! damn! i hate them! 22:23 < owl> "oh girl, you're soooooooooo ill. you HAVE TO SLEEP" 22:23 < raffi> :-) 22:23 < raffi> how old are you? 22:24 < owl> and they're screeming 24 hours/day, 7 days/week, 365 days/year 22:24 < owl> 18 22:24 < raffi> i c 22:24 < owl> i hate them, and they hate me! 22:24 < owl> they should have bought a dog instead of "made" a person 22:24 < owl> *argh*' 22:25 < Lorini> owl: kannste nicht ausziehen? 22:25 < owl> Lorini: nein. noch nicht. wenn das so weitergeht, dann werde ich wohl - aehm - massnahmen ergreifen... aber des geht fruehstens nach dem urlaub (--> irgendwann im juli) 22:26 < Lorini> owl: also mein verhältnis zu meiner mutter wurde schlagartig besser als ich ausgezogen bin 22:27 < owl> hm. aber als azubi kannste des ned wirklich. vor allem ned, wenn du schon alle ca. 160 euro fuer bahn-karte brauchst 22:27 < owl> und 'ne wohnung in muenchen... oh mann... des kann man vergessen... 22:27 < Lorini> oh münchen 22:27 < Lorini> ja.. dann ja 22:27 < owl> (ausserdem waere dann noch die schule in ingolstadt ... usw.) 22:28 < Lorini> ja. naja studentenwohnheim ist halt doch praktisch 22:28 < owl> ja. das glaube ich dir gerne 22:28 < Lorini> is aber extrem klein :) 22:29 < owl> aber des ist echt zum kotzen! wegen diesen idioten habe ich SVV und depressionen! danke vielmals - ich HASSE SIE!!! 22:30 < owl> lieber eine besenkammer und freiheit, als eingsperrt und mit diesen _eltern_ unter einem dach wohnen 22:30 < Lorini> hmm. naja.. ich weiß nicht ob man das so sagen kann "wegen denen".. 22:30 < owl> Lorini: wie denn dann? 22:30 < Lorini> mag ja durchaus sein, dass sie dazu beitragen. aber verantwortlich für dein leben bist immer noch du 22:30 < Lorini> finde ich 22:36 * owl plays loud: slipknot - my plague && slipknot - people = shit! 22:42 -!- temr [~pm@pD9E3322E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("zz") 22:48 < th_> ist das normal, dass man beim openoffice nicht mal ne rechtschreib-pruefung zum laufen kriegt? 22:53 < raffi> ist es normal dass man openoffice zum laufen kriegt? 22:53 < raffi> bei mir geht bzw kriecht es 22:53 < raffi> :-) 22:59 < owl> gn8 everyone 22:59 < rolla> nacht 22:59 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5228.pppool.de] has quit ("sleeping, part#2") 23:33 < snyke> weiss einer von euch was besser is für web-einsätze: php/perl? 23:45 -!- raffi [~raffi@chello212186144154.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit () 23:47 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc3-stoc3-4-cust114.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit ("leaving") --- Log closed Thu Dec 05 00:00:51 2002