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--- Log opened Mon Jan 13 00:00:21 2003 --- Day changed Mon Jan 13 2003 00:01 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:35 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-34.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:35 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-34.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:01 < esden> good night everybody 01:08 < Minemonic> good night esden 01:11 -!- Minemonic [~kako@cm-net-poa-C8B024FE.brdterra.com.br] has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:05 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95223D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 02:47 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:52 < tsa> n8 02:52 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525AEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 02:59 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:12 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:21 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:38 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:53 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:53 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:19 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 06:59 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A8F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:12 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B224.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:49 < blindcoder> moin 09:17 < owl> hi 09:18 < blindcoder> hi owl 09:18 < blindcoder> *argh* I hate paperwork 09:19 < owl> i hate work... 09:19 < owl> :P 09:19 < blindcoder> I need a whole day now just for "Zeiterfassung" begause I need to do it twice 09:19 < owl> wah. have fun with it 09:20 < blindcoder> heh. thanks 09:20 < owl> see it the positive way. you have work. 09:21 < blindcoder> did you get laid off yet? 09:21 < owl> not yet 09:21 < blindcoder> do you know you WILL get? 09:21 < owl> but... hm. this current situation isn't fun too 09:22 < owl> nope. i know nothing. that's one of the most stupid things... 09:22 < blindcoder> sure... 09:22 < owl> everything is shit. i'm soooo amused 09:22 < owl> *cry* 09:24 < owl> *argh* wtf isn't this stupid dhcp server running correct? dammit 09:24 < blindcoder> cause it's stupid :) 09:25 < owl> because it's running under win? 09:25 < owl> and hates my linux? *grrrr* 09:26 < blindcoder> for example 09:28 < owl> aah... better :) 09:33 < fake> damn it 09:33 < fake> chroot: cannot execute bin/bash: Exec format error 09:34 < blindcoder> hi fake 09:35 < owl> moin fake 09:57 < esden> hi all 09:57 < owl> hi esden 09:57 < esden> *sigh* I once more have done junk >_< ... I hope this time I get a reply to my proposal ... 09:58 < blindcoder> hi esden 09:58 < esden> hi owl, blindcoder, fake 10:00 < blindcoder> brb 10:04 < blindcoder> back 10:04 < blindcoder> damn. How I hate cleaning up after other people's mess 10:16 < esden> ahh good he answered ! 10:17 < blindcoder> who? 10:57 < esden> cliff 10:58 < blindcoder> ic 10:59 < esden> I have to test some things ... because I think that he is not correct with his argumentation 11:00 < blindcoder> mhm 11:01 < esden> hmm ... I think I will write the CHANGELOG entry by myself the next time ... 11:04 < esden> blindcoder: have you submitted the progressmeter cp patch to the developers ? 11:04 < blindcoder> no... 11:04 < esden> why ? 11:04 < blindcoder> because I don't think that would be a good idea... 11:05 < esden> why ? 11:05 < blindcoder> It's an evil hack and lacks testing, debugging and documentation 11:05 < blindcoder> for example: `install` will display the progress bar also and I don't know why 11:05 < esden> because install uses the same routine 11:06 < blindcoder> yes, but the routtine depends on a variable being set to 1 and that doesn't happen with install 11:06 < blindcoder> so it shouldn't display the bar but it does so nonetheless 11:07 < esden> but it seems to happen that the variable is set to 1 11:07 < esden> you missed something 11:07 < blindcoder> yes. but I don't know why 11:07 < blindcoder> I inserted the variable to a struct that holds all CL-Parameters 11:08 < blindcoder> then, if there is a Parameter -D I set it to one 11:08 < blindcoder> It defaults to 0 11:08 < blindcoder> and if that var is != 0 then I display the bar 11:08 < esden> perhups -D is a parameter to install ... 11:08 < blindcoder> I don't know how or why install touches that var. It doesn't even KNOW about it since I insterted that checking only to cp and mv 11:08 < esden> ehhm ... is the variable being initialized somewhere ? 11:08 < blindcoder> yes it is 11:09 < esden> so try to change the check to == 1 11:10 < blindcoder> I can try, but that's not the problem 11:10 < blindcoder> the problem is install touching that var 11:10 < esden> and next thing would be to add a debug print that outputs the value of the variable 11:10 < esden> and insert the print in many places 11:10 < esden> with some time you find the place where something goes wrong 11:12 < blindcoder> cat copy.c | while read line ; do echo "fprintf(stderr, 'DEBUG: dots: %i\n', x->showDots);\n$line\n"; done 11:12 < blindcoder> :) 11:12 < esden> yes something like this ;-) 12:01 < aszlig> rehi 12:01 * aszlig has something to complain about :) 12:02 < aszlig> blindcoder: single quotes are for char *gg* 12:03 < aszlig> /* end of "i-want-to-complain-for-unimportant-things" */ 12:03 < esden> aszlig: you wanted only say something ... right ? 12:03 < aszlig> erm... 12:04 < aszlig> yes :) 12:04 < aszlig> *gg* 12:04 < esden> well done ;-) 12:04 < aszlig> hrm, have to finish rockstrap... 12:05 < aszlig> but i have already finished it :( 12:05 < aszlig> thats bad... 12:05 < aszlig> i'm searching for something to implement so that it won't look so tiny... 12:05 < aszlig> *grml* 12:08 < aszlig> what could i implement? 12:08 < aszlig> i wrote some functions for better security during the build and some checking (eg: free space)... 12:30 < esden> aszlig: submit it ... 12:34 < aszlig> grml.. 12:34 < aszlig> it looks so small... 12:35 < aszlig> i try to look for something i could implement.. 12:35 < aszlig> s/^i/i'll/ 12:40 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:59 -!- Be-El [~blinke@cab.Genetik.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has joined #rocklinux 12:59 < Be-El> hi ppl 12:59 < owl> hi Be-El 13:12 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 13:36 < blindcoder> rehi 13:36 < Be-El> hi blindcoder 13:37 < blindcoder> hi Be-El 13:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder, Parabull, rolla_rock 13:54 -!- rolla_rock [~Der@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:54 -!- rolla_rock [~Der@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:55 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801F7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net))) 14:03 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 14:21 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:32 < rolla> re 14:35 < esden> re rolla 14:35 < rolla> :) 14:36 < esden> I am still waiting for your answer ;-) 14:36 < rolla> answer to what? 14:36 < fake> chroot: cannot execute bin/bash: Exec format error 14:36 < fake> damn it 14:36 < rolla> :p 14:36 < fake> what's wrong? 14:37 < esden> fake: no idea ... 14:37 < rolla> esden: that was another irc session so you will have to ask the question again sorry 14:37 < esden> rolla: if you want the whole image or only the kernel ... 14:37 < esden> I know that the iso is bootable 14:38 < esden> and that you can install an alpha from it 14:38 < rolla> the whole image please :) 14:38 < esden> ok ... 14:39 < esden> do you have an (s)ftp I can put it on or should I put it smewhere up for you ? 14:39 < fake> alpha is alive again... 14:39 < fake> hp will release a machine tomorrow 14:39 < esden> fake: url ? 14:39 < rolla> :) 14:39 < fake> slashdot.org 14:39 < fake> ;) 14:41 < fake> bash: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, mips-1 MIPS R3000_BE, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped 14:41 < fake> why mips1?? 14:41 < fake> argh 14:42 < esden> fake: ahh now I see ... thanks 14:44 -!- SLACKo [~SLACKo@65.199.129.51] has joined #rocklinux 14:44 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:45 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net))) 14:45 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 14:45 < blindcoder> fsck. fsck. fsck 14:45 < esden> o_O 14:46 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Parabull 14:46 < blindcoder> I need an idea... 14:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Parabull 14:46 < blindcoder> and I don't get one... 14:48 < SLACKo> does rocklinux use tthe same linux kernel? 14:48 < fake> no, we have developed another linux kernel, and call it linux too. of course it does. 14:49 < SLACKo> :) 14:49 < SLACKo> no minor modifications? 14:49 < fake> ;) 14:49 < blindcoder> SLACKo: what's the difference between a duck? 14:49 < fake> well, some patches 14:49 < fake> all collected in /usr/src/rock-patches 14:49 < SLACKo> ah..ic 14:49 < SLACKo> interesting 14:50 < SLACKo> so what's the hardest part in doing a distribution? 14:50 < fake> just minor things 14:50 < fake> assembling all bits so it works on all target machines... 14:51 < SLACKo> isn't that mostly kernel related? 14:51 < fake> and Always Doing The Right Thing(TM) 14:52 < fake> SLACKo: think silo/grub/lilo/dvhtool, think 32 / 64 bit... 14:55 < SLACKo> oh ic 14:55 < SLACKo> that's cool 14:57 < SLACKo> may I ask a question that might not be very technical?:) 14:58 < fake> go ahead 14:59 < SLACKo> ok 14:59 < SLACKo> how did you get co-sponsored by IBM? 15:01 < fake> we are also co-sponsored by sun microsystems - they both donated us a machine 15:01 < fake> ibm an r6000 something i-dont-know-a-bit-about-powerpc 15:01 < fake> and sun a cobalt cacheraq2 for the mipsport 15:02 < fake> but we are not really getting paid by them... iunfortunatelty.... not.... YET ;)) 15:02 < SLACKo> hehe 15:02 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Parabull 15:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Parabull 15:02 < SLACKo> but like how did you convince them to donate? 15:03 < fake> we... asked? 15:03 < SLACKo> is it that easy?:) 15:03 < fake> i just walked up to the ssun microsystems booth and talked to a guy there and he, well, he said it could be possible 15:04 < fake> (on linuxtag 2001) 15:04 < fake> 2002 15:04 < fake> whatever 15:04 < fake> and half a year later i had that machine. 15:05 < fake> i don't know how clifford exactly got his powerpc 15:05 < fake> compaq also showed interest in donating us an alpha machine (a big one, a heavy one, as i remember ;) but they midorganized it 15:05 < fake> mis=organised 15:05 < rolla> fake: sweet 15:06 < fake> but esden still has that machine's harddrives ;)) 15:06 < SLACKo> that's interesting :) 15:07 < fake> that was a year before.. lxtag 2001. 15:07 < fake> they lended us the machine for the time of that convention 15:07 < fake> and we wanted to keep it *g* 15:08 < esden> they lended us a DS20 with one processor 15:08 < esden> and 4 harddrives 15:08 < fake> hehe, he knows it best 15:08 < esden> I can not more remember how big the drives were 15:09 < SLACKo> and they don't get anything in return? 15:09 < esden> (I do not have them at the moment ... ripclaw is always forgetting to give them back to me) 15:09 < fake> they get support for that machine... that's the idea 15:09 < esden> yes that is it 15:09 < fake> they give us hardware, and we give knowledge back to the community 15:10 < SLACKo> ah ic 15:12 < esden> SLACKo: may I ask why are you asking ? 15:12 < SLACKo> I was thinking of doing a linux distribution with some friends 15:13 < fake> are you the CEO of a big hardware/software vendor and want to pay us? 15:13 < SLACKo> at college 15:13 < fake> *g* 15:13 < fake> oh. 15:13 < SLACKo> as graduation project 15:13 < fake> well, almost as good, as long as you use rock ;) 15:13 < fake> (rock is a distribution build kit...) 15:14 < SLACKo> unfortunately not fake :) 15:15 < SLACKo> maybe I should try to go to IBM and ask for donations 15:15 < SLACKo> I bet they will kick me out :) 15:17 < SLACKo> it's worth a try anyway 15:17 < esden> clifford got his hardware asking IBM at linuxtag 2000 15:17 < SLACKo> heh 15:17 < esden> when you are a ROCKLinux core developer it can happen that they give you hardware 15:17 < SLACKo> but like how did they trust him? 15:18 < SLACKo> he must had friends in IBM or something? 15:18 < esden> we had our booth there 15:18 < esden> since 1999 15:18 < esden> every year 15:18 < fake> and we have a supercool distro ;) 15:18 < fake> and the best (aehaehm) distribution build kit 15:18 < esden> and we could show that we are doing something ... and that we introduce a very new technology 15:19 < esden> that has a big future 15:19 < SLACKo> ah ic 15:20 * -> esden calling ripclaw 15:20 * -> esden be back in ... say ... an hour ... ;-) 15:20 < SLACKo> cool :) 15:21 < fake> SLACKo: in short terms: because we are cool ;) 15:21 < fake> j/k 15:21 < SLACKo> hehe 15:21 < SLACKo> I noticed;) 15:22 < SLACKo> okay thanks guys for the info 15:22 < SLACKo> :) 15:22 < fake> you're always welcome. 15:22 < SLACKo> nice talking to you :) 15:22 < fake> dito. 15:24 < fake> (i am such an idiot... such an indescribably great idiot... i built for a week... just to notice that i need Little Endian code - not Big Endian...... arghl...) 15:24 < fake> damn mipsen ;) 15:24 < fake> however, the ability to change endianess has it's advantages. 15:27 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit ("Client Exiting") 15:27 < esden> fake: you can switch the endianess in the cobalt box ? 15:28 < esden> ok ... ripclaw will give the disks back to me ... but when is the question ... _>< 15:28 < fake> no, because i can't rewrite the 'firmware' (because i am too stupid and lack the eeprom programmer ;) 15:28 < fake> greetz to him! 15:28 < esden> eeprom burner is the easiest thing to get ;-) 15:29 < fake> but nonstupidness is hard to aquire 15:29 < esden> too late ... I have finischet with him already ;-) 15:29 < fake> aw. 15:29 < fake> next time, then 15:29 < esden> yo will do 15:31 < blindcoder> esden: huebi had to wail for his disk for a while, too, IIRC 15:34 < esden> yes ... but I wait longer for the disks then huebi had to wait for his disk ... I wait since second half of 2001 for them ... 15:35 < esden> and huebi since half a year or so 15:38 < blindcoder> hmm... okay... 15:40 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-166.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:40 < holyolli> moin 15:40 < blindcoder> mein holyolli 15:41 < holyolli> oh..mein gebieter blindcoder, ich gruesse dich... 15:41 < holyolli> ;) 15:41 < holyolli> .oO(was man aus wortdrehern alles machen kann...) 15:41 < blindcoder> hehe 15:43 < holyolli> Be-El? 15:44 < rolla> holyolli: 15:44 < holyolli> hi rolla 15:48 -!- SLACKo [~SLACKo@65.199.129.51] has quit ("[x]chat") 15:48 -!- SLACKo [~SLACKo@65.199.129.51] has joined #rocklinux 15:48 < esden> hi holyolli 15:49 < holyolli> hi esden 15:50 < esden> holyolli: I am giving rolla the iso we have used on linuxtag to install my natalie (alpha machine) because he is having problems with the image you gave him 15:50 < esden> and I can remember you said back then that you have problems using the defauld kernel 15:50 < esden> s/defauld/default/ 15:50 < holyolli> esden: thats right, but the problem with the 'original' kernel was that it didn't run on smp machines 15:51 < esden> hmm ... yes 15:51 < holyolli> esden: the image i gave to rolla is (regarding the kernel) the same as the one from linuxtag 15:51 < holyolli> rolla: but i can compile a newer kernel, if you want to 15:51 < holyolli> esden: btw. glibc sucks...! ;-) 15:51 < rolla> hmm 15:52 < esden> but we used my kernel ... you can perhups remember esdenimage-2.4.17 and holyolliimage-2.4.17 ? 15:52 < holyolli> jepp 15:53 < esden> the esden image was working ;-) and holyolli was not working on my machine ... and IIRC it was because the second one could not access the cdrom ... 15:53 < holyolli> esden: ah - i didn't knew that 15:54 < holyolli> esden: but i have a patch that smp alphas will work with the kernel 15:54 < esden> that is very good ... but I do not have a smp alpha to test on :-( ... and I think rolla nither 15:55 * blindcoder now going home 15:55 < blindcoder> baba 15:55 < rolla> that is correct only single psr alpha's 15:55 < esden> cu blindcoder 15:55 < holyolli> cu blindcoder 15:55 < holyolli> hm. is the cvs server down...? 15:55 < holyolli> rocklinux.de: Connection refused 15:56 < esden> this image looks funny ;-) : https://www.sunshine-live.de/img/Baby_k.jpg 15:56 < esden> holyolli: dunno 16:00 < esden> ok ... mail sent to clifford ... describing the gcc3 problem. I hope it is clear now. 16:09 < Be-El> re 16:10 < holyolli> hi bl 16:10 < Be-El> according to german law, how many years do i have to stay in jail for slaying users ? 16:11 < holyolli> hehe 16:17 < rolla> holyolli: are you saying that I do not need to have the iso from esden ? 16:18 < holyolli> rolla: i think so...but if it's no prob for you, just download it and try it also 16:19 < holyolli> rolla: but i think another kernel (especially esdenkernel-2.4.17) will help more 16:19 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 16:19 < holyolli> hola Mike1 16:19 < Mike1> greetings @ all. 16:19 < Be-El> hi mike 16:19 < Mike1> hola holy :) 16:19 < rolla> holyolli: okay 16:20 < Mike1> rolla are ur alphas rocked already? 16:20 * holyolli is just rebooting...brb 16:20 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-166.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: the original point-and-click interface.") 16:25 * -> esden trying to revive natalie ... 16:31 < rolla> Mike1: nope 16:31 < rolla> had some issues over the weekend 16:32 < rolla> maybe by wensday 16:32 < Mike1> mmm... 16:32 < Mike1> ok 16:33 < Mike1> wakeup natalie!!! 16:33 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-mu-8-2-dialup-224.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 16:38 < Mike1> Please Guys have a look at https://www.linux.edu/ 16:38 < rolla> esden: what kind of alpha is natalie? 16:38 < Mike1> if you like Join 16:40 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 16:40 < esden> rolla: a pws 433 16:40 < LocalHero> Hi all :) 16:40 < esden> hi LocalHero 16:41 < esden> hi Mike1 !!! 16:41 < LocalHero> Could anybody answear some questions about grub. Im used to lilo and now im handling this redhat installation that uses grub :( 16:41 < rolla> :) 16:41 < rolla> grub looks cool but it is a pain in the butt 16:41 * -> esden has never really used grub ... at least not yet ;-) 16:43 < rolla> grub is very cool looking but I had trouble making it work 16:44 < fake> grub syntax: lilo 16:44 < fake> ;-) 16:47 < esden> ok natalie back online ... getting 1.7 cvs data 16:48 < Mike1> LocalHero: redhat gives you the option to install grub or lilo you can choose 16:51 < owl> <-- driving home 16:51 < owl> cu later. 16:53 < LocalHero> Mike1, i know, just dont want to play around with it to much 16:53 < Mike1> what do you want to run grub or lilo? 16:55 -!- ACEAlex [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 16:55 < ACEAlex> But the root=LABEL=/ doesnt seams to work. I had to specify it to 16:55 < ACEAlex> title RedHat8.0 new kernel 16:55 < ACEAlex> root (hd0,1) 16:55 < ACEAlex> kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda2 16:56 < ACEAlex> What does this line do initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.18-14.img 16:56 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:56 -!- ACEAlex [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit (Client Quit) 16:56 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 17:01 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-166.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:01 < holyolli> re 17:02 < esden> re holyolli 17:02 < rolla> re holyolli 17:09 < Be-El> *yawn* 17:09 < Be-El> time to get home 17:10 < Be-El> cu 17:11 < holyolli> cu bl 17:11 -!- Be-El [~blinke@cab.Genetik.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:24 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Mike1 17:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Mike1 17:27 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit () 17:35 * -> esden -> bitz 17:35 -!- sepp [~sepp@141.30.69.17] has joined #rocklinux 17:38 < sepp> is there a way to say scripts/Download to calc crc and repack the archives after everything is downloaded? i have a fast connection but an slow notebook 17:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: sepp 17:51 -!- [anders]_ [anders@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 17:52 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:52 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50813C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:52 < thalerim> hail 17:53 -!- [anders] [anders@62.3.122.161] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:53 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50813C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 17:54 < tcr> sorry, started two instances by accident ;) 17:57 -!- sepp [~sepp@141.30.69.17] has quit ("[BX] iTs bEttEr tO bUrN oUt tHaN tO fAdE aWaY") 18:13 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:13 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-176-166.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: They killed Kenny! THOSE BASTARDS!") 18:21 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:26 < Mike1> hi blindy 18:27 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("reboot - brb") 18:28 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:28 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:31 < esden> re hi all 18:32 < Mike1> hi esden! 18:34 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:35 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:35 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:46 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:46 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:48 < snyke> hi esden @ bitz 18:52 < esden> hi snyke 18:56 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:06 < zer0_o> hi 19:08 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:08 < rolla> re blindcoder 19:10 < tcr> hi rolla 19:10 < tcr> solved your problems? 19:12 < esden> puhh 19:13 < rolla> nein 19:13 < rolla> but I will find out tonight 19:13 < esden> I thought that apollo gave up it's life 19:13 < esden> but it is back online ... 19:20 < rolla> apollo ? 19:22 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-mu-8-2-dialup-224.freesurf.ch] has quit () 19:23 < tcr> rolla: whois esden ;) 19:23 < tcr> the name of the box he's sitting at, i guess :) 19:24 < rolla> :P 19:28 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehu 19:28 < blindcoder> esden: status report 19:30 < snyke> hmm 19:30 < snyke> am I allowed to add items for eros in the status report, too? 19:31 < esden> blindcoder: hmm .. the box is back online 19:31 < snyke> what was @ esden? 19:32 < blindcoder> esden: do you know what the cause has been? 19:32 < blindcoder> snyke: which items? 19:32 < esden> we are allowed to choose a raid5 hardware controller 19:32 < esden> and buy it 19:32 < esden> and we will get an other 9GB disk 19:33 < esden> I do not know what the cause was 19:33 < esden> but see the messages by yourself running dmesg ... 19:33 < blindcoder> WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 19:33 < snyke> blindcoder: items like maintenance blah failures blah 19:33 < snyke> service crashs 19:33 < blindcoder> esden: please five Zero a hug! 19:34 < blindcoder> s/five/give/ 19:39 < blindcoder> esden: maybe we should ask someone who knows what this should mean... 19:40 * tcr brb 19:40 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813C4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 19:41 < esden> blindcoder: yes but whom ? th ? SMP ? who else ? 19:41 < blindcoder> lkml? 19:41 < blindcoder> it's kernel messages after all :) 19:42 < blindcoder> I currently have problems with marking text in xterm again 19:43 < esden> o_O 19:43 < blindcoder> yes, I can click once and mark normal 19:44 < blindcoder> but if I click again all text betwenn first click and now is marked 19:44 < blindcoder> even if there's 30 minutes betwenn the clicks 19:46 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4956F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:47 < blindcoder> esden: Saturday @Fischer again? 19:48 < esden> blindcoder: I hope so 19:48 < blindcoder> esden: Okay, I'll call Martina and Melli 19:49 < esden> kk 19:49 < esden> if martina still wants ;-) 19:49 < blindcoder> esden: she has to 19:50 < esden> hmm ... if you think so ... 19:53 < tcr> why? has esden frighten her? 19:54 < esden> no "sie zickt nur rum" 19:54 < blindcoder> tcr: esden frightens each and everyy girl :) 19:54 < blindcoder> just like me :) 19:54 < esden> yes ... we are masters in frightening girls ;-) 19:56 < tcr> you shouldnt tell anything about mathilda when you meet gurls the firs time ;) 19:56 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:57 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:57 < blindcoder> I don't. The problem is that 108 kg frighten almost anyone 19:59 < tcr> are you extordinary large? 19:59 < blindcoder> broad 19:59 < blindcoder> 1.85m at most 20:12 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E4998B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 < fake> lient Running Since Sat Aug 10 20:15:49 2002 20:22 < fake> Client Uptime: 156d 1h 5m 58s 20:22 < fake> hehe 20:22 < fake> kuhl. 20:22 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4956F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: thalerim!~tobrit@pD9E4998B.dip.t-dialin.net))) 20:22 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr 20:35 < blindcoder> esden: it's been sad that you haven't been with us on Sunday 20:50 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4998B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:54 -!- Minemonic [~kako@cm-net-poa-C8B024FE.brdterra.com.br] has joined #rocklinux 20:55 -!- Minemonic [~kako@cm-net-poa-C8B024FE.brdterra.com.br] has quit (Client Quit) 20:59 < blindcoder> n8 everyone 21:01 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai blindcoder 21:09 < owl> re 21:10 < Mike1> re owly 21:30 -!- juman [~juman@c213-89-200-180.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #rocklinux 21:30 < juman> Hello 21:30 < owl> hi juman 21:30 < juman> Has someone installes rock usig boot floppies? 21:30 < juman> usig = using? 21:30 < Mike1> juman: yes 21:31 < juman> I am trying but have a little problem. I boot the floppies and then mount the CD to do the preparations... 21:31 < juman> But the CD wants the libraries (/lib) on the CD but how do I make the system search there? 21:33 < Mike1> where did you mount the cd? 21:33 < juman> As /mnt/cdrom 21:33 < Mike1> mount /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /src 21:33 < juman> Ah... silly me ;-) 21:33 < Mike1> do it that way :) 21:33 < Mike1> and then 21:33 < juman> Thanks Mike... 21:34 < Mike1> mount / partition to /trg 21:34 < Mike1> read the rock linux guide 21:34 < juman> I am... but missed the /src part... 21:34 < Mike1> ah ok great 21:34 < Mike1> guess it will work just fine for you now :) 21:35 < Mike1> have fun with the install juman 21:42 < juman> Thanks... :-) 21:44 < juman> Mike1: I still get the same problem... 21:44 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D545.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:44 < juman> Hello tcr 21:44 < tcr> hi juman 21:44 < tcr> huebi, th: ping 21:45 < Mike1> juman: could you paste the error please? 21:45 < juman> Mike: I am trying to use mke2fs to create the system but it complains not finding its shared library... 21:45 < tcr> hum 21:45 < Mike1> mm... 1.5 ? 21:45 < tcr> 1.6pre3 21:45 < Mike1> or 1.7? 21:45 < juman> 1.5.20.... 21:46 < tcr> hm 21:46 < Mike1> juman: mmmm... there were some problems with the late rock-1.5.20 releases reagrding the root disk 21:46 < Mike1> as modules were not bee loaded soe root disk creating was braking 21:46 < juman> Ok... 21:47 < Mike1> do you know the extact date of this sources? 21:47 < Mike1> where did you get them from 21:47 < Mike1> ? 21:47 < Mike1> hi tcr btw 21:47 < tcr> hi mike 21:48 < juman> I am using this : ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/unstable/Rock-1.5.20/rock-ia32-i386-base+opt-1.5.20.iso 21:48 < tcr> hmm 21:48 < tcr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.6.x/Rock-1.6.0-pre3/rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso is the latest and pre4 is very close 21:49 * tcr didnt know that Alex even has a forum on his ISO archive 21:50 < juman> Alrigt... but that is compile for i686 and my machine are quite old (=really old) P133 64M Ram ;-) 21:50 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 21:51 < tcr> juman: I'll tell the maintainer of that archive to create an 368 ISO for upcoming pre4. But you have to wait a bit (pre4 should actually be out already, dunno what's causing the pending) 21:52 < Mike1> tcr: whats the hurry 21:52 < Mike1> ? 21:52 < juman> You don't have to if u don't want to. I am just trying this out for fun so there is no hurry... 21:53 < Mike1> work is been done on the sparc port which needs to be ready before release, also root disk dailure must be fixed (this is a major) 21:53 < rolla> :) 21:53 < juman> I just landed on this distribution fooling around with "linux from scratch"... 21:54 < Mike1> rolla also will fix alpha port right rolla? 21:54 < Mike1> *g :) 21:54 < tcr> Mike1: huebi said for some days he's just doing a last compiling test and if it suceeds, he'll announce pre4 21:54 < tcr> for some days == some days ago 21:54 < Mike1> tcr: i ment the sparc stuff for stable release 21:55 < rolla> :p 21:55 < Mike1> tcr: but maybe you are right i spoke to him and he said is really having conectivity problems so maybe thats whta is delaying the release 21:57 < tcr> juman: unfortunately the install disks are throughout b0rken .. ask rolla for his personal lingering jeremiad when he tried 1.5.20 21:58 < rolla> grrr 21:58 < Mike1> lol 21:58 < rolla> I have moved on from 1.5.20 now I do battle with 1.5.17 on alpha ;) 21:58 < tcr> yeah, 'grrr' that's was the only comment we heared from him for a quite long time ;) 21:58 < juman> tcr: But i fixed the disk using tomsrtbt and am now trying this anyway.. If it burns it burns ;-) 21:59 < Mike1> tcr: for some reason rolla stuck with 1.5.17 21:59 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E1126A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:59 < Mike1> mike@maisenhelder:~$ cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX 21:59 < Mike1> ROCK Linux 1.5.17-Mike ia32 (native, 2002/07/22) 21:59 < Mike1> mike@maisenhelder:~$ 21:59 < tsa> hi 21:59 < Mike1> *g 21:59 < tcr> rolla is somewhat predestined for stucking a lot ;) 21:59 < tsa> ROCK Linux 1.4.0 i686 (native, 2001/04/28) 21:59 < Mike1> greetings tsa 21:59 < rolla> stucking ? 22:00 < tcr> sticking 22:00 < Mike1> grrr i dont have ssh access to my rock 1.2 box ... 22:00 < rolla> ah 22:00 < rolla> 1.5.17 is the better ISO I have 22:00 < Mike1> rolla nice to hear that 22:00 < rolla> maisenhe@mike:/etc$ cat ROCK-LINUX 22:00 < rolla> ROCK Linux 1.5.19-Gnome2 ia32 (native, 2002/10/14) 22:01 < rolla> :P 22:01 < Mike1> *g* 22:01 < Mike1> I love that tree :) 22:02 < rolla> notice that is not 1.5.20 22:02 < Mike1> rolla i know 22:02 < rolla> once the cluster is there I will try to build 1.6 for alpha 22:03 < tsa> *grmpf* 22:03 < Mike1> rolla good to see you interested in clusters 22:03 < Mike1> it will be fun :) 22:03 < rolla> yes very much 22:03 < tsa> 48 packages failing in 1.7 so far, still in stage 5 somewhere 22:04 -!- juman [~juman@c213-89-200-180.cm-upc.chello.se] has quit () 22:04 < Mike1> tsa did you already disabled renes stuff? 22:04 < Mike1> *g 22:04 < tsa> Mike1: my build always stops when a package breaks 22:04 < tsa> Mike1: and yes, about 95% of broken packages are from rene/* 22:05 < tsa> i'll send a mail to the list when stage 5 is completed- 22:05 < Mike1> good 22:05 < rolla> :) 22:06 < tsa> some bugs are so easy to fix i wonder if some package maintainers don't test their stuff at all. 22:07 < Mike1> guess in some cases it can be a fact 22:10 < tsa> well, i know rene has lots of packages to maintain, but i don't understand why he doesn't hand some of them off to other maintainers, then. 22:10 < rolla> :) 22:11 < tsa> i don't have too much time to maintain packages in rock (yes, my nvidia package is broken, too), but i could still take over some packages from him 22:11 < tcr> he just seems out of time since the last 4month 22:11 < tsa> i know - although i don't know whats going on with him 22:12 < tsa> maintaining 2000+ packages, ppc port and other things is just way too much work for someone who also has to study and other things to get done 22:17 < tsa> hm... i have a question about 1.7 22:18 < tsa> it's a -devel and it should become -stable, correct? 22:18 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:19 < tsa> why do we add more and more unstable packages (xfree-cvs ???) then instead of fixing those already present first? 22:19 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 22:20 < tcr> tsa: a well maintained cvs-version of a package is much better than a bad maintained but stable one 22:20 < tcr> imho 22:22 < tsa> depends - currently all stuff from cvs in rock 1.7 seems to be broken.. 22:22 < tsa> all the e17 stuff. 22:53 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958D545.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 22:55 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.251] has joined #rocklinux 22:55 < demian> hi 22:55 < owl> hi demian 22:55 < demian> hi :) 22:56 < demian> damn Mike1 ! stop playing with my new burner ! 22:57 < Mike1> ROFL 22:57 < owl> aeh? 22:57 < rolla> :P 22:57 < Mike1> demian i coulnt resist it 22:57 < Mike1> couldnt* 22:57 < rolla> Mike1: you need to teach demian sendmail.cf 22:57 < demian> it's ok, im costumed that's ur way to say 'hello' 22:57 < demian> hehe 22:58 < Mike1> demian yeah but only to you :) 22:58 < demian> now im dealing with cvsd 22:58 < Mike1> would you prefer me to say hello with with someother command? 22:58 < owl> somone ever had the problem to shutdown -h now the pc/notebook/whatever and after boot there was a "GLIBC 2.3" lib missed or something like that? 22:58 < Mike1> rolla do i need to? 22:58 < owl> (without compiling, installing...) 22:58 < demian> no, it's ok 22:59 < Mike1> owl: my VAIO never gave me such problem 22:59 < demian> Mike1: umm, maybe 'flite -t Hello' 22:59 < owl> *grml* my system is dead... :-((( 22:59 < rolla> Yes very much :) 22:59 < rolla> he was an open relay for awhile 23:00 < demian> yes 23:00 < rolla> :) 23:04 < rolla> spam the world thro his box 23:04 < demian> ! 23:04 < rolla> :p 23:07 < Mike1> mmm... rolla he knows all he has to do is ask 23:08 < rolla> :) 23:08 < demian> Mike1: ill visit u soon then :) 23:09 < Mike1> demian sure anytime, but call first :) 23:09 < demian> when gcc tells me: 23:09 < demian> changing search order for /usr/include, cause it has been considered as a non system directory 23:10 < demian> it means that /usr/include int not in the standar system directory ? to look for headers ? 23:11 < demian> s/int/isnt 23:11 < demian> if yes, how can i make /usr/include the system standar headers directory ? (--isystem option for gcc) 23:12 < demian> Mike1: ok 23:14 < esden> Mike1 what is about the seeds on linux.edu ? 23:15 < owl> hi esden 23:15 < esden> hi owl 23:15 < Mike1> esden we are waiting for Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Alan COx, and Miguel de Icaza 23:15 < esden> o_O 23:15 < Mike1> esden: the thing will working fine soon 23:16 < esden> you think they will come ? I thought that it was a joke ... 23:16 < Mike1> esden no it wasnt 23:16 < demian> ? 23:16 < Mike1> they have been invited 23:16 < Mike1> just wait 23:16 < esden> I am very interested what they have/will answer 23:17 < esden> (ed) 23:17 < Mike1> else MPET will become a master seed 23:17 < esden> LOL 23:17 < esden> I am really unworthy for such a seed 23:17 < demian> cya guys 23:18 < Mike1> hehe 23:18 < owl> bye demian 23:18 < Mike1> we will see 23:18 < Mike1> i got to go to Uni now 23:18 < esden> cu demian 23:18 < Mike1> see you tomorrow guys and lady :) 23:19 < esden> waahhhh Mike1 no ... :-( 23:19 < owl> bye Mike1 23:19 < esden> *sniff* 23:19 < rolla> Owlie 23:19 < owl> rolla ;P 23:19 < Mike1> esdy i got Java 23:19 < Mike1> can miss it :( 23:19 < demian> !!!!!! 23:20 < demian> java !, wtf happened with u this new year ? 23:20 < esden> no ... you have to go and learn 23:20 < Mike1> demian: don't ask!! 23:20 < Mike1> :( 23:20 < Mike1> bye 23:20 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:21 < demian> well, bye 23:21 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.251] has left #rocklinux () 23:21 < esden> ok .. then I am also half unavalable ... have to write something ... 23:21 < tsa> *GRRR* 23:21 -!- Satg [Belial@196.40.66.19] has joined #rocklinux 23:21 < tsa> just got mail from a macromedia sales droid. 23:22 < Satg> hello people !! 23:22 < tsa> he's too dumb to understand my request for a gcc3-based flash-plugin, therefore they won't do anything further about this. 23:22 < tsa> *damnit* 23:23 < owl> <-- sleeping 23:23 < owl> gn8 23:29 -!- Satg [Belial@196.40.66.19] has quit () 23:35 < esden> tsa: who is too dumb ? 23:38 < tsa> esden: macromedia guy 23:39 < tsa> esden: the flashplugin is binary and needs libstdc++ from gcc 2.95.3 23:39 < tsa> so i sent them a mail and asked for gcc3-compiled binaries 23:43 < esden> and what has he said exactly ? 23:44 * -> esden now understands why flash is not working on his machine since he updated his mozilla ... 23:44 < esden> tsa: I think that something simmilar happens to the java-vm plugin ... 23:44 < esden> or have you got it running ? 23:45 < tsa> esden: die haben vorformatierte textbloecke fuer sowas - keine selber geschriebene mail 23:45 < tsa> Macromedia is passionate about what the Web can be and is committed to serving 23:45 < tsa> +its customers and helping them achieve success. While there does not appear to 23:45 < tsa> +be an appropriate match for this particular program, we do take these requests 23:45 < tsa> +into direct consideration as we develop and build new products/offerings for 23:45 < tsa> +our customers. Please check back on our website for updates, as we 23:45 < tsa> +occasionally offer new solutions which may provide a better fit for your 23:45 < tsa> +specific business needs in the future. 23:45 < tsa> ... 23:45 < tsa> blahblahblah.. 23:46 < tsa> there was not a single line showing that they did read my mail at all. 23:48 < esden> yes I see it 23:48 < esden> that is an autoreply 23:49 < esden> I think your mail went to /dev/null 23:49 < tsa> yeah, seems to. 23:49 < tsa> so 23:49 < esden> uhm-hm 23:49 < tsa> can anyone please hack into macromedia's system and get us a copy of the source? ;) 23:50 < esden> _THAT_ would be a solution 23:51 < esden> but I do not think that you want to compile it ... ;-) 23:51 < esden> you would have to rewrite it first ;-) 23:52 < esden> see mozilla 23:52 < tsa> hehe --- Log closed Tue Jan 14 00:00:41 2003