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--- Log opened Wed Jan 29 00:00:30 2003 --- Day changed Wed Jan 29 2003 00:12 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ichilton, Parabull, kasc, ringo30, huebi, fake, th, owl, mayan, hannes_, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 00:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder, Parabull, ringo30, kasc, hackbard, th, fake, cchamilt, huebi, SMP (+6 more) 00:14 -!- ringo30 is now known as ringo30_sleep 00:21 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ringo30_sleep, ichilton, SMP 00:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ringo30_sleep, SMP, ichilton 01:46 -!- lktom|Zzz [lkthomas@nat170-226.mpoweredpc.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:46 < lktom|Zzz> hey all 01:46 -!- lktom|Zzz is now known as lkthomas 01:46 < lkthomas> https://iso.rocklinux.de/?menu=25 01:46 < lkthomas> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.6.x/Rock-1.6.0-pre3/rock-src-1.6.0pre3.tar.bz2 Size: 1.9 MB <-- what is this for ?! 01:47 < lkthomas> a boot floppy disk ? but I got an iso already ? 01:48 < lkthomas> hello ?! 03:03 -!- lkthomas is now known as lktom|Zzz 03:14 -!- lktom|Zzz [lkthomas@nat170-226.mpoweredpc.net] has quit () 03:21 < tsa> n8 03:21 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525ED9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 05:07 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:19 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p508028C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:24 -!- hackbard_ [~hackbard@pD9E0A966.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:41 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p508075BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:02 < blindcoder> moin 08:36 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:38 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.215] has joined #rocklinux 08:38 < demian> hi 08:53 < blindcoder> hi demian 08:53 < demian> blindy 08:53 < demian> do u know why my gcc is not finding my includes at /usr/include when they are really there ? 08:54 < demian> neither using -I/usr/include 08:54 < demian> seems gcc cant find my system includes search path :( 08:54 < demian> and i dunt know why, could it be a gcc compilation problem ? 09:03 < blindcoder> hmm... what do you try to compile? 09:03 < demian> vim 09:04 < blindcoder> strange... 09:04 < demian> configure script says that doesnt exists ANSI standar includes 09:04 < demian> and obviously, compilation fails 09:04 < blindcoder> sory, never had that problem... maybe your glibc headers aren't installed (correctly) ? 09:05 < demian> i gues they are, but ill rebuild it .. one never know 09:05 < demian> thanx, gn8 09:06 < blindcoder> n8? it's 09:05 here :) 09:06 < demian> [ scar ] ~ > date 09:06 < demian> Wed Jan 29 02:09:10 CST 2003 09:06 < demian> [ scar ] ~ > 09:06 < blindcoder> oh... okay, good night then :) 09:07 < demian> /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Costa_Rica 09:07 < blindcoder> I guess I'll still be at work when you get up again :) 09:07 < demian> thanx 09:10 < kasc> wonder what the weather is like in Costa_Rica... 09:12 < blindcoder> moin kasc 09:13 < kasc> moin 09:13 * kasc is hiding from university 09:13 < kasc> dont wanna go there today... 09:14 < blindcoder> hehe, I didn't want to go to wark, either 09:14 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:15 < kasc> we're writing a Klausur today, thats why ;) 09:16 < blindcoder> oh... 09:17 < blindcoder> I'm writing an automation script for something that 10 different people have done in 20 different ways and hvae to make the appropriate excepition for each one. 09:17 < blindcoder> I didn't want to do that either >_< 09:20 < kasc> dont you want to write a script that automatically solves Klausuren for me? ;) 09:22 < blindcoder> if you give me a database with all the answers in it then I'll do it :) 09:22 < kasc> hehe 09:22 * kasc <-- gone (Uni) 09:22 < blindcoder> good luck! 09:28 < owl> hi 09:35 < blindcoder> hi owl 09:37 < owl> hi blindy 09:38 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.215] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:42 < blindcoder> https://lpp-themes.sourceforge.net/ 10:42 < blindcoder> WEEEE 10:53 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:53 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:57 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("ciao...") 12:12 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817236.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E495CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:31 < tcr> moin all 13:32 < blindcoder> moin tcr 13:36 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A2D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:39 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909043.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:54 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E495CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 14:44 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: [anders], owl, Parabull, mayan, hackbard_, hannes_, vectrax, aszlig 14:44 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: huebi, cchamilt, blindcoder, fake, th 14:44 -!- Netsplit vinge.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ichilton, bluefire, SMP, ringo30_sleep 14:46 < rolla> re 14:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder, huebi, cchamilt, fake, th 14:50 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817236.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- ringo30_sleep [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- SMP [stefanp@world.cabal1.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- ichilton [~ian@pc2-stoc3-4-cust36.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- hackbard_ [~hackbard@pD9E0A966.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- [anders] [anders@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:50 -!- mayan [~mayan@iaso.fox-lightware.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:17 < owl> bye 15:18 < blindcoder> bye owl 15:25 < kasc> re 15:34 < rolla> re owl 15:53 -!- Satg [~Satg@196.40.66.18] has joined #rocklinux 15:54 < Satg> Hello People !!! 15:55 < rolla> hallo 16:04 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 16:04 < Mike1> Good day everyone :) 16:11 < rolla> re Mike1 16:14 -!- ringo30_sleep is now known as ringo30 16:14 < ringo30> hi all 16:14 < ringo30> rolla: are you Dutch ? 16:14 < rolla> nope 16:14 < rolla> why do you ask? 16:15 < ringo30> hallo = Dutch or is it the same in German ? 16:15 < rolla> same in german 16:15 < rolla> but I am not german either :) 16:15 < ringo30> hmm what country do you come from then ? 16:16 < ringo30> Just a little curious by Nature ... 16:17 < rolla> no problem I am from the USA 16:17 < ringo30> Ahh my brother has been there hals a year, he loves it and wants to go back asap. 16:17 < rolla> where was he here 16:18 < ringo30> NY 16:18 < rolla> oh. yeah that is nice place but very differant from me 16:19 < ringo30> Yeahh its a lillte bigger then Holland, and much diverse in climate. 16:19 < rolla> true 16:19 < rolla> where in holland are you from? 16:20 < ringo30> Alemlo, 80-100 Km East from Amsterdam. 16:20 < rolla> okay 16:20 < ringo30> s/Alemlo/Almelo.. 16:59 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:00 -!- lktom|Zzz [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:00 < lktom|Zzz> hey all 17:00 -!- lktom|Zzz is now known as lkthomas 17:00 < lkthomas> I got a question 17:00 < lkthomas> I just installed rocklinux this morning 17:01 < lkthomas> and I saw there have a dir call /usr/src/rock-src 17:01 < lkthomas> inside , there have tons of package script there 17:01 < lkthomas> what command can I use to update those script ? 17:18 < blindcoder> rehi 17:19 < blindcoder> lkthomas: what script, or what exactly do you want to update? 17:36 < lkthomas> hey ?! 17:36 < lkthomas> anyone still alive ? 17:36 * blindcoder !!! 17:37 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:38 < blindcoder> :P 17:38 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:38 < lkthomas> hey all 17:38 < lkthomas> anyone still around 17:38 < Mike1> blindy alive? 17:39 * blindcoder alive!! 17:39 < blindcoder> I live!!! WAAAY! 17:39 < blindcoder> :) 17:39 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 17:39 < lkthomas> OK, I got /usr/src/rock-src 17:39 < lkthomas> how can I update those script ? 17:39 < Mike1> blindcoder: good :) 17:40 < Mike1> lkthomas: what exactly are you looking forward to update? 17:40 < Mike1> the rocklinux source? 17:40 < lkthomas> Mike1: you know, there have building script for program 17:40 < lkthomas> no 17:40 < lkthomas> I mean the program like Xfree, gnome...etc 17:40 < Mike1> what rock version are you running? 17:40 < lkthomas> like, freebsd need to use cvsup to update their poers trees 17:41 < lkthomas> Mike1: 1.5, I think 17:41 < lkthomas> I am not sure :) 17:41 < Mike1> cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX 17:41 < lkthomas> I am not in there now 17:41 < Mike1> mm.. ok 17:41 < lkthomas> well, tell me how to do please 17:42 < Mike1> look it is not that simple as the bsd ports to get rock linux updated 17:42 < lkthomas> NO 17:42 < Mike1> in 1.5 we dont have a real package manager 17:42 < blindcoder> Mike1: 1.5 in your metier. Can you tell him? 17:42 < lkthomas> I mean the package update 17:42 < lkthomas> huh ? 17:42 < lkthomas> no package manager ?! 17:43 < Mike1> lkthomas: i mean there is package tool but its mostly just Install and remove packages 17:43 < lkthomas> Mike1: I don't like binary 17:43 < Mike1> in rock 1.7 ion the other hand there is Gem Mine which is our own package manager 17:43 < lkthomas> hmm 17:43 < lkthomas> what kind of package manager is that ? 17:44 < Mike1> lkthomas: if you are looking for something like apt-get, i am affraid rock 1.5 will not satisfy you 17:44 < lkthomas> nope 17:44 < blindcoder> lkthomas: In 1.7 `mine` manages the packages and has a frontend called `stone` 17:44 < Mike1> blindcoder: could you help me out with an explanation on Gem Mine? 17:44 < lkthomas> I want freebsd ports style :) 17:44 < Mike1> lkthomas: /me too 17:44 < lkthomas> I don't want frontend, man... 17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: stone itself has frontends for 'text', 'dialog', 'xdialog' and if I ever finish it 'opengl' :) 17:45 < rolla> https://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-558570,00.html 17:45 < rolla> crazy germans 17:45 < Mike1> greetings rolla 17:45 < lkthomas> so there is no build scripts like gentoo and freebsd ? 17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: you can use mine also by itself 17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: sure 17:45 < blindcoder> lkthomas: ./scripts/BuildPkg <pkg-name> 17:45 < lkthomas> blindcoder: errr 17:45 < Mike1> lkthomas: you play around with the rock linux source and build ur own package versions 17:46 < lkthomas> LOL, EACH PACKAGE I NEED TO BUILD MY OWN ?! 17:46 < lkthomas> hey man, pain in ass.. 17:46 < blindcoder> lkthomas: hmm... what _exactly_ do you have in mind? 17:46 < blindcoder> even gentoo builds _every_ package itself 17:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: i think what he wants is something like "apt-get update <package>" 17:47 < lkthomas> blindcoder: no, let me give you an example, gentoo using cvs / rync to update the build script trees 17:47 < blindcoder> POTATOE-CANNONS!! LOOL 17:47 < lkthomas> freebsd using cvsup to update their trees 17:48 < rolla> blindcoder: ja ;) 17:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, to update /usr/src/rock-src in 1.7 you can use ./scripts/Update-Src to update to the latest snapshot or use the cvs. with cvs you can also do cvsup 17:48 < lkthomas> blindcoder: it seems not doing the job anyway 17:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: there's a thread on the Mmailinglist regarding this topic from today, or yesterday. moment, I'll search for it 17:49 < lkthomas> OK 17:49 < lkthomas> Thanks 17:49 < lkthomas> rocklinux = lack of docs 17:49 < lkthomas> jezz 17:49 < lkthomas> I am using my linux knowledge to install rocklinux 17:49 < lkthomas> because there is no offical docs can tell me what to do 17:49 < lkthomas> haha 17:49 < Mike1> lkthomas: There is THe ROCK Linux GUIDE 17:50 < lkthomas> Mike1: if it's complete, I don't need to ask in IRC :) 17:50 < Mike1> references can be found on rock linux website https://www.rocklinux.org/ 17:51 < Mike1> lkthomas: it helps a lot, but also using IRC is an easier and faster resource to get help 17:51 * lkthomas didn't read any manual and complete his rocklinux installation 17:52 < lkthomas> haha, when I using command "Install" , it said something not found in /src 17:52 < lkthomas> so I think that's mean the cdrom 17:52 < blindcoder> lkthomas: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/rocklinux/archive/current/2985.html 17:52 < lkthomas> so I mount it in /src, then I mount me HD to /trg, Install, work fine 17:52 < blindcoder> lkthomas: sorry it's not on the rocklinux.org site but I don't like the ML-Archive there >_< 17:53 < lkthomas> blindcoder: hold on now, what does it mean by source trees ? 17:53 < lkthomas> rocklinux source trees or package trees ? 17:53 < blindcoder> lkthomas: both 17:53 < lkthomas> you know, it's really crap and anonying when I am using download -all 17:53 < blindcoder> lkthomas: if you only want to update the package/* the cd package && cvs -z9 up -Pd 17:53 < lkthomas> I saw it's download tons of package 17:54 < lkthomas> blindcoder: I try to goto gcc dir and do cvs update 17:54 < lkthomas> it try to fetch the update 17:54 < lkthomas> but not working 17:54 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, all packages in fact. or you can say: './scripts/Download -package <package>' 17:54 < blindcoder> hmm... is there a directory CVS? 17:55 < blindcoder> maybe the cvs server is down... I'll try 17:55 < lkthomas> yep, that's why I am using cvs command :) 17:55 * lkthomas using a very basic linux knowledge to do that 17:55 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# cd /usr/src/rock-src-1.7/package/base/gcc3 17:55 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:[gcc3]# cvs -z9 up -Pd 17:55 < blindcoder> cvs update: failed to open /root/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory 17:55 < blindcoder> cvs server: Updating . 17:55 < blindcoder> U no-install-zlib.patch 17:56 < blindcoder> P parse-config 17:56 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:[gcc3]# 17:56 < lkthomas> dude, 1.7 ?! 17:56 < blindcoder> lkthomas: it should be the same with 1.5 17:56 < lkthomas> I only got something like ext-archives 17:56 < lkthomas> ext-config 17:56 < lkthomas> base-config 17:56 < lkthomas> something like that 17:56 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, that's 1.5 17:57 < lkthomas> FUCK.. 17:57 < blindcoder> lkthomas: in 1.5 it should be the same nonetheless 17:57 < lkthomas> no wonder that Bitchx can not be found 17:57 < lkthomas> damn 17:57 < blindcoder> go to the dir, do cs up and hten ./scripts/Puzzle 17:57 < lkthomas> Puzzle ? what for ? 17:58 * Mike1 watching blindy speak like a whole rock master ... :) 17:58 < blindcoder> lkthomas: the re-create the {base|ext}-archive/INDEX files 17:58 < blindcoder> Mike1: me? a ROCK master? Just a user for over a year :) 17:58 < rolla> blindcoder: is a ROCK master :) 17:58 < lkthomas> so I goto do cvs update, then do Puzzle ? 17:58 < rolla> ja 17:59 < Mike1> rolla: is a master too :) 17:59 < blindcoder> lkthomas: yes, then you can download and build the new/updated packages 17:59 * lkthomas want to try 17:59 < lkthomas> but bitchx not found, err 17:59 < blindcoder> hmm... I don't know if ROCK has a bitchx-package.. 17:59 < blindcoder> Mike1? can you check? 17:59 < lkthomas> what the hell ?! 18:00 * lkthomas first time hear a distro don't have bitchx 18:00 < Mike1> blindcoder: lkthomas bitchx is not base packages on rock 1.5 18:00 < Mike1> lkthomas: you can use irssi 18:00 < blindcoder> lkthomas: if no ROCK developer uses it, then there's a good chance it isn't there 18:00 < lkthomas> blindcoder: haha 18:00 < rolla> Mike1: nein 18:00 < lkthomas> Mike1: never try that before 18:00 < Mike1> blindcoder: bitchx is an extension package 18:00 < lkthomas> does irssi same as bitchx ? 18:00 < rolla> lkthomas: that is cause irssi rocks 18:00 < Mike1> lkthomas: maybe it is a good chance to try it :) 18:01 < blindcoder> lkthomas: I'll give you a screenshot of irssi 18:01 < lkthomas> OK, do I need to rebuild so that I can get 1.7 package trees ? 18:01 < lkthomas> Thanks blindcoder 18:01 >>> [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] requested CTCP VERSION from #rocklinux: 18:01 < lkthomas> rolla: windows 18:01 < Mike1> lkthomas: irssi is better, though you will have to forget about the color shut :) 18:01 < Mike1> yes rolla i am using xchat atm 18:01 < lkthomas> heh 18:01 < rolla> :) 18:01 < rolla> I love irssi 18:01 < rolla> thanks again th if you are listening :) 18:02 < lkthomas> OK, do I need to rebuild so that I can get 1.7 package trees ? <-- 18:02 < blindcoder> lkthomas: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/irssi.jpg 18:02 < lkthomas> can I use 1.7 trees in 1.5 ? 18:02 < blindcoder> lkthomas: no. the structure changed completely 18:02 < Mike1> lkthomas: you can build 1.7 distribution on a 1.5 system 18:03 < lkthomas> Mike1: don't tell me it's Download -all 18:03 < Mike1> but packages are not compatible 18:03 < Mike1> lkthomas: nope its Doqwnload -required 18:03 < lkthomas> take me forever to download and compile 18:03 < lkthomas> hmmmm 18:03 < lkthomas> OK, got it 18:03 < lkthomas> be right back all, Thanks :) 18:03 < Mike1> lkthomas: also in rock 1.5 you dont need to run -all, oftenly we use -base 18:03 < blindcoder> lkthomas: you're welcome 18:03 < lkthomas> OK 18:03 < lkthomas> just hang on to this channel, I might be back in a mins :) 18:03 < lkthomas> brb 18:03 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has quit () 18:03 < Mike1> as many of the extension packages are broken or unmaintained 18:03 < Mike1> arrg 18:04 < cchamilt> Hello all 18:04 < Mike1> greetings cchamilt 18:05 < cchamilt> Anyone have a catchy name for an email solution. 18:06 < blindcoder> Infobox? 18:06 < blindcoder> just like Inbox? 18:06 < cchamilt> Probably asking the wrong group. We are afterall using ROCK :). 18:06 < cchamilt> Hmm. 18:07 < cchamilt> I liked 'el mailo', but that is because I am an idiot. 18:07 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("leaving") 18:07 < blindcoder> cchamilt: you said that :) 18:07 < cchamilt> So I have to ask others. 18:07 < cchamilt> :) 18:07 < blindcoder> good luck! 18:08 < cchamilt> Need something slick that oozes open source, but tells you it is $50K. 18:08 < cchamilt> Opencost? 18:08 < blindcoder> *LOOL* 18:09 < blindcoder> At least I would look at it because of funy name :) 18:09 < cchamilt> Yeah, but that is definitely an erp or at least an accounting package name. 18:10 < cchamilt> Super Open Mail 50K 18:10 < cchamilt> Patches would have a set price then... 18:11 < esden> honianachiwa 18:11 < Mike1> Gott segne dich esden :) 18:11 < esden> hi Mike1 ;-) god bless you too ;-) 18:12 < cchamilt> Hmm, partner just said 'openXchange Messaging Server' might be a bit too big. 18:12 < Mike1> thanks my friend 18:12 < cchamilt> hi esden 18:12 < esden> hi chris 18:12 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 18:12 < Mike1> cchamilt: oXMS? 18:13 < cchamilt> My new keeper, er partners company is Techworx so he likes x's 18:13 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:13 < cchamilt> oXXXMS 18:13 < blindcoder> hi esden ! long time no see :) 18:13 < cchamilt> Why is there never a 4th X? 18:14 < cchamilt> Except in beer. 18:14 < blindcoder> esden: honianachiwa????????? haeh??? 18:14 < Mike1> cchamilt: well there is 5 X :) 18:14 < blindcoder> esden: I think that was ONE boor too much *takes away esdens beer* 18:14 < esden> blindcoder: keyword: kero 18:14 < blindcoder> esden: still don't get it... 18:15 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:15 < lkthomas> hmm 18:15 < lkthomas> anyone still around ? 18:15 < Mike1> welcome back lkthomas 18:15 < rolla> yeah 18:15 < esden> he is saying that always after the closing sequence ... when the "leave it to kero" section starts (in CCS) 18:15 < cchamilt> yep 18:15 < Mike1> yes blindcoderis _still_ alive 18:15 < lkthomas> I try to use /usr/src/scripts/Update, is it the right one ?! 18:15 < esden> yo lkthomas 18:15 < lkthomas> sorry 18:15 < lkthomas> I mean rock-src :) 18:16 < lkthomas> ?? 18:16 < esden> lkthomas: what do you expect to do with this ... ? 18:16 < cchamilt> lkthomas: yeah, I think. 18:16 < lkthomas> ... 18:16 < lkthomas> esden: heh, check history pls :) 18:16 < esden> yo 18:17 < lkthomas> it said "New version found, try to get it" 18:17 < blindcoder> esden: okay, never watched it :) 18:17 < lkthomas> blindcoder: hmm 18:17 < lkthomas> blindcoder: Update ? 18:17 * Mike1 usually just grab the latest source: 18:17 < lkthomas> ....... 18:17 < Mike1> CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co -P rock-1.5 18:17 < blindcoder> telephone 18:18 < lkthomas> hold on now, do I have to use cvs to grab 1.7 ? 18:18 < esden> blindcoder: that is really cool ... KERO RULEZ 18:18 < lkthomas> I don't think I have cvs installed in my box anyway 18:18 < Mike1> rsync? 18:19 < lkthomas> maybe 18:19 < lkthomas> I don't know, it's a freah install 18:19 < Mike1> it must have cvs as well 18:19 < lkthomas> anyone can provide a pre-compiled 1.7 iso ? 18:19 < Mike1> esden: ? 18:20 < lkthomas> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 <-- what should I do after this ? 18:20 < lkthomas> Download -base ? 18:21 < cchamilt> man .sg must be getting pounded by MSSQL. 18:22 < lkthomas> ... 18:22 < lkthomas> no one answer me :( 18:22 < cchamilt> run scripts/Puzzle 18:22 < cchamilt> then Config 18:22 < lkthomas> let me write it down, .. 18:23 < cchamilt> then Download -reguired 18:23 < rolla> lkthomas: iso.rocklinux.de 18:23 < cchamilt> g/q 18:23 < cchamilt> yeah, I would suggest a pretty new iso if possible. 18:24 < lkthomas> I am using 1.6 iso then.. 18:24 < lkthomas> where is 1.7 ? sound seems can not be download 18:25 < lkthomas> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/Rock-1.7.x <--- empty :( 18:26 < rolla> oh that is right :( 18:26 < rolla> lkthomas: /me is using 1.5.17 18:26 < lkthomas> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/1.7-19c3 18:26 < lkthomas> what's diff between drock and rocklinux ? 18:28 < cchamilt> It builds well right now. Only 10 broken packages. 18:28 < cchamilt> Mozilla is about the only one most would want fixed. 18:28 < cchamilt> turn off paranoia checks in Config and tell it not to stop on broken packages. 18:28 * lkthomas go back to ROCKs 18:28 < lkthomas> brb 18:28 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has quit () 18:41 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:41 < lkthomas> hmm 18:41 < lkthomas> heh 18:42 < lkthomas> 1.7 source trees grabbed 18:42 < lkthomas> BUT 18:42 < lkthomas> how can I add my own optimize tag before execute download -required ? 18:42 < blindcoder> -cfg 18:43 < lkthomas> Config ? which part ? 18:43 < lkthomas> I can not see it 18:43 < blindcoder> if you did './scripts/Download -cfg myconf' then './scripts/Download -cfg myconf -required' 18:43 < blindcoder> *argh* 18:43 < blindcoder> I meant './scripts/Config -cfg myconf' 18:43 < lkthomas> "myconf" = CFLAGS="" ? 18:43 < blindcoder> you can also omit '-cfg myconf' in which case it defaults to 'default' 18:43 < blindcoder> nonono 18:44 < blindcoder> just do ./scripts/Config and you will understand :) 18:44 < lkthomas> no, I mean incase if I want to include my own optimize tag 18:44 < lkthomas> I did 18:44 < lkthomas> nice menu 18:44 < blindcoder> lkthomas: the optimize tags are created by what you chose in ./scripts/Config 18:45 < lkthomas> blindcoder, so I just hack into the omitted conf file ? 18:45 < blindcoder> mom, tele 18:46 * lkthomas goto cut blindcoder's telephone line 18:46 < blindcoder> re 18:46 < blindcoder> sorry, wasn't intentional >_, 18:47 < lkthomas> ? 18:47 < blindcoder> lkthomas: usually you only have to do './scripts/Config' and choose what you want and then './scripts/Download -reqiured' 18:47 < lkthomas> but I want to use my own optimize tag 18:47 < lkthomas> like -fforce-addr 18:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: consider Documantation/BUILD a good lecture, clifford and I just updated a good part of it 18:48 < lkthomas> hmm 18:48 < blindcoder> lkthomas: hmm... I don't know if this is possible... write a feature request to rock-linux@rocklinux.org 18:48 < blindcoder> s/know/think/ 18:48 < lkthomas> my god.. 18:49 < lkthomas> does it read Env value ? 18:49 < blindcoder> what does -fforce-addr do? 18:49 < lkthomas> I forget 18:49 < blindcoder> no. 18:49 < lkthomas> also, -fexpensive-optimize 18:49 < lkthomas> -z combreloc 18:49 < lkthomas> -z combreloc <-- this one make lib run faster 18:49 < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg creates its own environment 18:50 < lkthomas> so I need to hack into that ?! 18:50 < blindcoder> I would start searching there at least. 18:50 < lkthomas> ble 18:50 < lkthomas> be right back, Thanks 18:50 < blindcoder> but you can also edit the .conf files for packages and add makeopt="$makeopt CFLAGS='...'" 18:51 < blindcoder> $makeopt is appended to `eval make` 18:51 < blindcoder> when building packages 18:51 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:56 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:56 < lkthomas> hmm 18:56 < lkthomas> never saw something call CFLAGS 18:56 < lkthomas> err 18:56 * lkthomas giveup on rocklinux 18:59 * Mike1 having lunch 19:00 * lkthomas eating his rocklinux CDs 19:01 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F53F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:06 < cchamilt> dang mail server names suck. 19:06 < cchamilt> even weaselmail is taken. 19:09 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801705.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958F53F.dip.t-dialin.net))) 19:09 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 19:14 < cchamilt> abnormail 19:14 < blindcoder> taken? 19:14 < cchamilt> abnormail+, nope 19:15 < blindcoder> wow :) 19:15 < cchamilt> not commercial enuff I am afraid. 19:15 < cchamilt> I'll ask. 19:16 < cchamilt> what words end with mal 19:16 < cchamilt> mailviolent 19:17 < cchamilt> mailicious 19:26 < cchamilt> hmm. 19:31 -!- lkthomas [lkthomas@nat20-100.mpoweredpc.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:47 < owl> re 19:48 < blindcoder> re owl 19:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: femail :) 19:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: owl inspired me to this... don't ask me why :) 19:50 < cchamilt> yeah i thought of that 19:50 < cchamilt> COMM Open Mail Messenger 19:50 < cchamilt> Way too OSS uptight though. 19:50 < cchamilt> hi owl 19:51 < owl> blindcoder: omg? what are you talking about? 19:51 < owl> hi cchamilt 19:51 < cchamilt> I am going to market an OSS mailserver like Volution or Bynari 19:51 < cchamilt> need a name 19:51 < esden> ahh ... finally I got MI working on my laptop !!! 19:51 < blindcoder> owl: searching a name for a $50k "open" Mail Solution 19:52 < esden> but it is strange that it is working compiled with gcc3 on my main machine ... but on my laptop it works only when I use gcc2 19:52 < owl> hi esden. you're alive again?! - cool! 19:52 < esden> that is probably a strange java idiocy 19:52 < esden> hi owl ... yes I am alive 19:52 < cchamilt> Business tip: Important people don't want their time wasted by things that cost less than 20K so make it 50K. 19:53 < cchamilt> We have people lining up and it isn't even ready. 19:53 < esden> but probably I will be dead till sutarday ... namely offline 19:53 * blindcoder might be dead starting next Tuesday >_< 19:53 < cchamilt> Plan to hire as many Rock people as I can if it keeps up. 19:54 < esden> cchamilt: raising his hand ... ... do we get something for free ??? 19:54 < cchamilt> a job? 19:54 < owl> esden: "(pre-)pruefungsstress" 19:54 < owl> ? 19:54 < esden> cool !!! 19:54 * -> esden likes jobs 19:55 < esden> where ... how well paied ... 19:55 < cchamilt> we will contract as work progresses (if work progresses) 19:55 < esden> what is the jobs topic ? 19:55 < cchamilt> Appliance servers for you I think. 19:55 < cchamilt> How much do you want? 19:55 < cchamilt> per hour 19:56 < esden> currently nothing (is too short on time because of studys ... but in 2 years) and will handle the price out then ... 19:56 < cchamilt> It is a little unplanned yet, but I think I have an org scheme. 19:56 < cchamilt> Might be too late. 19:57 < esden> yea ... I imagined that ... 19:57 < esden> argh 19:57 < esden> I hate my english 19:57 < cchamilt> Studying is for losers. 19:57 < esden> i mean I expected that 19:57 < cchamilt> Money 19:57 < cchamilt> Money NOW 19:57 < blindcoder> esden: "I thought so" 19:57 < esden> blindcoder: kk 19:58 < blindcoder> cchamilt: might be a problem, since the german "Bundeswehr" (Army??) seems to want me for 9 months 19:58 < cchamilt> You guys can work a little? 19:58 < cchamilt> Not asking fulltime. 19:58 < cchamilt> Not yet. 19:59 < cchamilt> Heck, there is only the idea that we will need more people soon. 19:59 < cchamilt> No confirmation. 19:59 < esden> cchamilt: first of all I will be killed by my family when I break up my studys ... and second ... without the fscking peace of paper ... i have not so good chances for a good payed job then with it ... 19:59 < cchamilt> Need an Oracle guy right now I think though. 19:59 < blindcoder> Oracle? i'm out. 19:59 < esden> cchamilt: oracle -> fake 20:00 < cchamilt> Yeah we don't know anything about oracle and our oracle guy is already busy. 20:00 < cchamilt> How much does he know? 20:00 < esden> talk with him ... he knows it the best ... 20:00 * blindcoder only knows how to break an Oracle Server... and that's probably not what you want ;) 20:01 < cchamilt> blindcoder: yep. 20:03 < cchamilt> I hope we can get contracts locally, send them out internationally and build a mnc oss consulting service asap. 20:04 < cchamilt> That way we have programmers in all countries and hopefully some programmers who also can sell in their local country. 20:04 < cchamilt> It is like Amway, only for OSS developers. 20:05 < cchamilt> Group that makes the sale would get a big cut and the programmers would get great pay. 20:06 < cchamilt> esden: how much do you hope to make salary? 20:08 -!- Blacky_ [~jp@pa147.antoniuk.sdi.tpnet.pl] has joined #rocklinux 20:08 < Blacky_> esden: hi hi hi hi h 20:08 < Blacky_> i 20:08 < Blacky_> \n 20:10 < cchamilt> esden: ? 20:11 < blindcoder> *argh* he's gone again... 20:11 * blindcoder thinks about calling him, that mwould be MUCH faster... 20:11 < Blacky_> his nick is weasel and that's palm reader I use 20:12 < esden> sorry 20:13 < Blacky_> hi esden!!! 20:13 < esden> my mother is wanting something all the time ... 20:13 < esden> hi Blacky_ 20:13 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 < Blacky_> blindcoder said I should say hello to you 20:13 < armijn> re 20:13 < esden> cchamilt: i really do not know ... but hope to start with 2000$ a month or so ... would be nice 20:14 < esden> but probably it will stay a dream ... :-/ 20:14 < cchamilt> how many hours could you work now? 20:14 < armijn> esden dreams too much... 20:14 < cchamilt> 10 a week? 20:14 < esden> hi armijn ... nice to see you back here 20:15 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817236.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 20:15 < armijn> hi esden :) 20:15 < cchamilt> man 2000 and europe is taxed to the max. 20:15 < cchamilt> Is that after tax? 20:15 < armijn> cchamilt: no it's not...we still got money left ;-) 20:15 < cchamilt> hi armijn 20:16 < armijn> cchamilt: and don't forget, the European Union is cheap compared to the UK and the US... 20:16 < esden> cchamilt: yes ... 10 hours is possible 20:16 < esden> but during the time of exams it is not possible ... 20:16 < esden> only as average 20:17 < cchamilt> That is $12.5 per hour for 160 hours a month? 20:17 < armijn> anyone been to Linux Kongress (of course)? Is it any good? 20:18 < esden> cchamilt: that are 40 hours a month ... 20:18 < esden> 10 hours a week ... 20:18 < esden> in roundabout 20:19 < cchamilt> Yeah, but what you want is a job that pays you $12.5 when you graduate? 20:19 < esden> i donno 20:19 * -> esden has no idea 20:19 < esden> *shrug* 20:19 < cchamilt> Hmm. 20:19 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:20 < cchamilt> I will pay you much more than that if I can find jobs for you. 20:20 < tcr> re all 20:20 < cchamilt> hi tcr 20:20 < blindcoder> hmm... that's less than I get now... 20:20 < armijn> esden: EUR 12.5? per hour? 20:21 < cchamilt> Right now we are talking with the country office of a local well known Unix provider that recently went a little Linux. 20:21 < armijn> esden: that's pretty low... 20:21 < armijn> esden: your education, that's not university, right? 20:21 < cchamilt> Hey, you guys are ruining my hiring :). 20:21 < esden> it is university! 20:22 < cchamilt> He should make 4K at least. 20:22 * -> esden is master of computer science after his graduation 20:23 < cchamilt> Oh CS, not CE? Well 2K. 20:23 < cchamilt> Just kidding. 20:23 < armijn> esden: ok...I thought it was something like Hochschule (or is that uni?) 20:23 < armijn> cchamilt: I don't even want to hire him :) 20:23 < esden> that is uni 20:23 -!- Blacky_ [~jp@pa147.antoniuk.sdi.tpnet.pl] has left #rocklinux ("Poszedłem w celu...") 20:24 < esden> it is comparable with diploma ... but more practical 20:24 < armijn> esden: ok, I didn't know that...we also got something, that translates frm dutch to .de as "hochschule", but it is *definitely* not university 20:24 < armijn> ha! they'd wish... 20:24 < cchamilt> armijn: I hope to pay people to work on Rock and other stuff if I can get other people to be billed.... 20:24 < esden> Technische Universietaet Muenchen ... that is university for sure ;-) 20:25 < cchamilt> It appears that euro education is all over the place. The us is like that. 20:25 < armijn> esden: ah, ok...I didn't know you were there..thought some weird thing in Ingolstadt 20:25 < cchamilt> We have community colleges and some uni's that are as bad as them. 20:26 < esden> armijn: praenti is on Fachhochschule Ingolstadt ... not me ;-) 20:26 < cchamilt> some polytechnic stuff is as good as highend uni's. 20:26 < cchamilt> It is all about an individual school's recognition. 20:26 < esden> cchamilt: believe me ... TUM ... is not bad ... it is pretty hard ... *sigh* ... /me shivvers thinking of his exams 20:26 < armijn> esden: ok :) 20:27 < armijn> cchamilt: yeah, stuff in the US can be pretty bad... 20:27 < cchamilt> Especially the distance learning crap. 20:27 < armijn> here it is much close to each other, at least in .nl...doesn't really matter where you go... 20:27 < cchamilt> Don't every take it. 20:27 < esden> cchamilt: is it _so_ bad ? 20:27 < armijn> cchamilt: I've got ADSL 20:27 < armijn> and I SSH into my lab to do things and learn things.. 20:28 < armijn> it's not that bad :) 20:28 < cchamilt> The schools that do that are money driven, no name whatsoever. 20:28 < esden> when I watch the people that are studying with me ... I always get more and more shocked what idiots are graduating ... 20:28 < cchamilt> :) 20:28 < cchamilt> That happens, I was an idiot at my school. 20:28 < cchamilt> Still am. 20:29 < cchamilt> Got two degrees there. 20:29 < cchamilt> Jocelyn got 3. 20:29 * blindcoder doesn't even have a diploma or such thing... and can also write code that nobody else will be able to understand :) 20:29 < esden> cchamilt: o_O ... your selfconfidence is not good ... we have to work on it ;-) 20:29 < tcr> ah, hi cchamilt.. just read your emails about that bdb issue.. just want add something completely off-topic: you seem to be one of those guys writing always the answer text above to the reply ;). Well, it's quite laborious to look/scroll down to see the actual text you refering too, so could you please get used to write your answer below to the reply? I'd be really gracefull... 20:29 < esden> blindcoder: LOL 20:30 < cchamilt> school helps you learn, it doesn't teach you facts (though some schools don't know that) 20:30 < cchamilt> if you don't know how to learn, you'll never be able to be a good engineer/programmer. 20:30 < esden> schools are giving you a base for learning 20:30 < tcr> that's what schools should teach, but i'm afraid they dont do 20:30 < cchamilt> some people naturally do it 20:31 < blindcoder> esden: took a leaf out of clifford's book and used things like var=${var%$var2} in some bash-scripts... everyone complained :) 20:31 < tcr> and you should be taught that during highschool and not when you're going to a university where you're left completely alone 20:31 < esden> when I hear my lectures about efficient algorithms on my university ... I do not learn what algorithms are better or worse ... that is only a sideeffect ... I learn how to feel what algorithms are better or worse .. and how to check what to use in my projects 20:32 < esden> that is very usefull ... and only a grounding for my further learning 20:32 < cchamilt> tcr: when I compact the email (remove its body) and don't talk about a specific point... Where am I wrong? 20:32 < cchamilt> tcr: That I thought was how people should respond in maillists? 20:33 < armijn> ok, am off 20:33 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 20:33 < esden> blindcoder: o_O where everyone complained ??? 20:33 < esden> they can not read such stuff ? 20:34 < esden> you mean your chef ? 20:34 < tcr> cchamilt: yes, when you start a completely new point of an issue and you dont refer to anything, that may be right.. 20:34 < blindcoder> esden: well... everyone except our perl guru complained. 20:34 < tcr> cchamilt: but please keep care of me and other receiving quite a lot mails, and I can't know everything from a special tread. Proper quoting saves me a lot time... 20:34 * Mike1 is back from lunch 20:34 < blindcoder> esden: you read that line clifford wrote in create-deps-2 ? 20:34 < Mike1> re 20:35 < tcr> hi Mike1 20:35 < Mike1> greetings tcr 20:35 < esden> blindcoder: yes ... 20:35 < cchamilt> tcr: I know what you mean, I just don't like answering inline more than once. It gets rediculous, and most things should then be removed. 20:35 < blindcoder> esden: that line is simple compared to things stt writes 20:35 < esden> but I had not the time to decrypt it ;-) 20:36 < cchamilt> tcr: I'll try and keep the specific paragraph I refer to. 20:36 < esden> stt ??? 20:36 < blindcoder> esden: like a script that goes recursively through a directory and sorts filesizes by extension into an array and then printing it in about 8-10 lines 20:36 < blindcoder> esden: his UNIX-Account :) 20:37 < tcr> cchamilt: That's all i want :) And yes people pathologically trying to comment some statement by some /compeltely/ unecessary sentence are quite disturbing as well 20:39 < tcr> blindcoder: what language? 20:39 < blindcoder> perl 20:39 < tcr> bah!!! 20:40 < cchamilt> you are taught in perl? 20:40 < blindcoder> cchamilt: no, i taught myself perl :) 20:40 < cchamilt> Oh, good I wouldn't recommend it as a teaching tool. 20:41 < blindcoder> cchamilt: we "learned" (erm...) java 20:41 < tcr> blindcoder: i think doing that in C (+ a good library offering hastables, glib for instance) would be much more comprehensible than in perl 20:41 < owl> blindcoder: java?! you?! - oh god! 20:41 < cchamilt> Hey java is a good group productivity language and is very strict in style. 20:41 < blindcoder> tcr: hmm... I once tried to use glib but failed due to not finding some good code snippets 20:42 < esden> blindcoder: he is good 20:42 < tcr> blindcoder: I've just seen the use of hashtables and list of glib in use 20:42 < blindcoder> cchamilt: we lshould learn it at schol... in a class where 80% were actually unable to copy from a piece of paper into a syntaxshighlighting IDE 20:42 < esden> in 10 lines 20:42 < esden> hmm 20:42 < cchamilt> :) that weeds them out then too. 20:42 < blindcoder> tcr: I don't say it's bad... but I haven't found good examples on how to use it 20:43 < tcr> blindcoder: yeah the api reference is quite spare of instructions ;) 20:43 * -> esden is not willing to tell what we were learning in proseminar ... 20:43 < blindcoder> cchamilt: that was around the time when I started teaching myself PHP and already had some steady Pascal-Knowledge 20:43 < cchamilt> blindcoder: The point is that there are too many people learning programming half-ass. 20:44 * -> esden had to cut all interesting things ... and why ? because the others will not understand that ... >_< 20:44 < blindcoder> cchamilt: agreed 20:44 * -> esden jumping around and crying fsck 20:44 < tcr> esden: you learn fsck in a proseminar ??? 20:44 < cchamilt> blindcoder: I do most gui stuff in PHP now. It is faster than Java and everything needs web interfaces. 20:45 < blindcoder> cchamilt: I prefer PHP and perl-cgi because web-interfaces are simply platform-independent :) 20:45 < ringo30> I first learned c64 basic, then a little asm, a while ago, it was and still is fun. 20:45 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Yep, enterprises need that and so do schools. 20:45 < blindcoder> ringo30: never got myself together to have a look at asm 20:46 < cchamilt> blindcoder: PHP also enforces OSS, where java is just a little to cozy with non-OSS. 20:46 * tcr going for evening meal. brb 20:46 < blindcoder> cchamilt: but an OpenGL game really shouldn't be implemented in PHP :) 20:46 < blindcoder> tcr: an guadn 20:46 < cchamilt> asm is not bad. We did alot of microprocessor stuff in my school. 20:46 < tcr> blindcoder: donk da 20:47 < cchamilt> Nor Java. 20:47 < ringo30> Just a whole lot more code, must learn everything about hardware, its fun but time consuminmg and not portable. 20:47 < blindcoder> cchamilt: isn't there a PHP-precompile-thing somewhere? 20:47 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit ("Client Exiting") 20:47 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Hmm, maybe. There is now cli stuff and a gtk interface that sort of works. 20:48 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Wrong way to go I think. 20:48 < blindcoder> cchamilt: yeah, and OpenGL bindings... definately not what PHP should be IMHO, but who are we to decide that? 20:48 < cchamilt> Yeah. 20:48 < ringo30> got to get my pc open theres a starnge noise coming from the fan :-( 20:49 < cchamilt> Just try not to use it. 20:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: We have to decide where ROCK can go, that's a lot of work, too :) 20:49 < blindcoder> cchamilt: no, thanks. I'm maintaining a C++ library for OpenGL and I definately won't adopt it to PHP 20:50 < cchamilt> blindcoder: Yep, ROCK is definitely not ready for everywhere yet. 20:50 < cchamilt> ROCK isn't ready for big networks until we put pam and kerberos on it. 20:50 < blindcoder> cchamilt: like the problem lkthomas had: "Where is BitchX *bitch* *bitch*" 20:51 < blindcoder> cchamilt: never had a look at either 20:51 < cchamilt> They are plug in stuff that might just 'work' as is. They need well tested though. 20:51 < cchamilt> I want to try PAM this month if I can. 20:51 < esden> tcr: no ... /me is only very angry about the stupidity of his costudents ... 20:52 < cchamilt> esden: That just means you should get better grades. 20:53 < blindcoder> esden: what shall I say? a co-worker today tried 4 hours(!) to create a RewriteRule to activate SSL on a VirtualHost in Apache 1.3 20:53 < blindcoder> esden: then he came to me and I did it in.. what? 5 minutes? 20:53 < blindcoder> esden: now tell me again about stupidity. 20:54 < blindcoder> esden: RewriteRule ^/url/to/vhost(/.*|$) https://server//url/to/vhost [R] 20:54 < cchamilt> esden: You are with people right now that you can at least understand where they might be confused or messed up. 20:55 < cchamilt> esden: The real world has some REAL stupidity. 20:55 < esden> cchamilt: yes I should ... 20:56 < esden> blindcoder: that is normal ? 20:56 * blindcoder doesn't want to know how often this _really_ happens --> https://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/03jan/uf005188.gif 20:57 < esden> ROFL 20:57 < cchamilt> I know of several schools that I would never hire janitors from because of their wonderful representative students I have met. 20:57 < esden> cchamilt: so you do not want to hire me ... ;-) 20:58 < cchamilt> No I have faith that you'll get better :). 20:58 * -> esden will probably have an accound on a real vax machine !!! *jumparound* 20:58 < blindcoder> oh well, 21:00 here, been up for 16 hours now... 20:58 * blindcoder going to bed now... good night! 20:58 < esden> n8 blindcoder 20:58 < owl> gn8 blindcoder 20:58 < cchamilt> n8 20:58 < esden> sleep well 20:59 < blindcoder> thanks, I will :) 20:59 * -> esden will port rock on vax ;-) 20:59 < cchamilt> esden: Now thinking like that... 21:00 * -> esden was hacking the last weeks on a vax simulator that we use on our university for programming assembler 21:00 < esden> really funny thing 21:01 < esden> but I would be very happy if it would not be so messy 21:01 < cchamilt> esden: ? 21:01 < esden> it is such a nice architecture ... but they implemented the emulator terribly 21:01 < esden> cchamilt: ? 21:02 < cchamilt> Do you like vms? 21:02 < esden> no I do not like vms ... 21:02 < esden> but I want to play with it ... 21:03 < esden> I only do not like it of what I heared about it 21:03 < cchamilt> I have never tried it. What is the vax? 21:03 < rolla> esden: 21:03 < esden> rolla: ? 21:03 < esden> hi rolla ;-) 21:03 < esden> cchamilt: it is the architecture that vms was running on 21:04 < esden> cchamilt: made by digital 21:04 < cchamilt> No I mean what vax. 21:04 < esden> ahh 21:05 < rolla> esden: do you need licenses for VMS? 21:05 < cchamilt> I played with one when I was a kid. It had a 20MB disk that fit in about 9U of rack space. 21:05 < esden> it is one that is running in the basement of the "registred association of museal computing machines" in munich 21:05 < rolla> oh 21:06 < esden> I have seen the machine ... it is running ... but I had not yet the possibility to talk to the operator/owner of the machine 21:06 < cchamilt> They are beasts. 21:06 < cchamilt> Seam to run forever. 21:06 < esden> but the guys with which I was there told me that I only should ask the guy and he will give me an accound 21:06 < esden> t 21:06 < rolla> yeah in clusters :) 21:07 < esden> cchamilt: this architecture is still living in alpha processors ;-) 21:07 < cchamilt> Yeah... 21:07 < cchamilt> Living dead. 21:07 < esden> the assembler the vax was using has only slightly changed ... that is amazing 21:08 < cchamilt> I hope samsung keeps making them. 21:08 < esden> alpha processors still have the vax compatibility mode ;-) 21:08 < cchamilt> I have heard good things about it in school back when it was new and great. 21:09 < cchamilt> I studied the Power ISA though. 21:09 < cchamilt> It has a big history too. 21:11 < cchamilt> Cheap processors will always rule though. 21:11 < esden> yes ... but I only heard that something like this existed 21:11 < cchamilt> Yeah, I have a custom Anderson and Jacobson transistor computer in parts around my house in the US. 21:12 < esden> cchamilt: sure they will ... but that does not mean that I have to use them too ... and that I will dream of cheap processors (even if the newest intel/amd processors are not cheap for me) 21:12 < cchamilt> It has those big white removable 10MB platters. 21:12 < esden> weeee cool 21:12 < cchamilt> AMD is the only reason intel succeeded. 21:12 < esden> o_O you mean ? 21:13 < cchamilt> It literally got sawed in half though. Damn it must have been worth a mint in good condition. 21:14 < cchamilt> It had a bad transistor in its typing console and so the boot up state always halted there. 21:14 < esden> ohh ... *cry* that hurts 21:14 < cchamilt> It dimmed the lights when it was on. 21:14 < esden> yea ... that is how it should be ;-) 21:14 < esden> that are the real machines ;-) 21:15 < cchamilt> Heck University of Michigan has the ... umm ... can't remember... 21:15 < tcr> burp. re all 21:15 < esden> re tcr 21:15 < cchamilt> First general purpose computer, starts with an E. 21:16 < cchamilt> It is spread in pieces across our campus and several other universities. 21:16 < cchamilt> There was once a postgrad project to try and rewire it. 21:17 < cchamilt> I saw some of the diagrams... Man I don't know what they were smoking when they designed that thing. 21:17 < esden> hehe 21:18 * Mike1 bored 21:18 < esden> Mike1: why this ? 21:18 < Mike1> esden: paper work is always boring 21:18 < esden> that is right 21:19 < esden> argh ... where is the site of the club ??? 21:19 < cchamilt> Eniac 21:19 < Mike1> cchamilt: what about Eniac? 21:19 < esden> Mike1: cchamilt was talking about that ;-) 21:19 < cchamilt> First general purpose computer 21:19 < Mike1> yeah :) 21:19 < cchamilt> rambling... 21:20 < Mike1> big machine i can tell 21:20 < owl> hi Mike1 21:20 < Mike1> hello owly 21:20 < esden> re owl ;-) 21:20 * -> esden gets hungry once more ... 21:20 < cchamilt> owl: Why don't you develop for ROCK? 21:20 * -> esden had already two lunches today ... 21:21 < Mike1> esden: time for a 3rd one 21:21 < esden> Mike1: yes ... seems so 21:21 < cchamilt> Chinese new year crap food here. 21:21 < esden> cchamilt: I love chinese stuff !! 21:21 < esden> cchamilt: email me some of it ;-) 21:21 < cchamilt> Tons of pork products and crappy cookies. 21:22 < cchamilt> esden: Take out only... 21:22 < cchamilt> Trust me S'pore chinese is a little different from westernized stuff. 21:23 < cchamilt> It is more Malay and Indo. 21:23 < owl> cchamilt:dunno. no time. or so. whatever. don't mind 21:24 < esden> cchamilt: hmm ... I have to taste it before I decide that it is bad 21:24 < cchamilt> owl: Well just wondering. 21:24 < owl> cchamilt: why? 21:25 < cchamilt> esden: Yeah, curries are good. I like the pork and some stuff. Just they make cookies 'biscuits' more tropical. 21:26 < esden> more tropical ??? 21:26 < cchamilt> owl: I was thinking that you must know stuff to hang around. I was wondering if you wanted to... 21:27 * -> esden dreams of joce cookies 21:27 < cchamilt> esden: Weird flour substitutes and very coconutty. 21:27 < cchamilt> esden: Yeah those are US cookies. 21:27 < cchamilt> Don't touch my wifes cookies :). 21:27 < esden> coconutty sounds very good ... 21:28 < owl> cchamilt: i'm still learning how to develop with linux... 21:28 < cchamilt> You get used to it. I still find the first bite strange. 21:28 < esden> cchamilt: ROFL ... no ... I keep my hands behind my back 21:29 < cchamilt> We will eat tons next week going around seeing relatives. 21:29 < esden> I want too ! 21:30 < tcr> cchamilt: what about saying your wife that ain't good for her shape. So there'll be more for you ;) 21:30 < cchamilt> owl: Well I wish I could say 1.7 is easy. Any packages you wish Rock had? 21:30 < cchamilt> tcr: Our shapes are both not the best. 21:31 < cchamilt> tcr: You end up eating instead of pretending to socialize. 21:31 < tcr> pretending to socialize? 21:31 < cchamilt> You know when you have relatives that you have to visit once a year. 21:31 < tcr> define 21:31 < owl> cchamilt: still had no deep look to 1.7 21:32 < kasc> re 21:32 < esden> re kasc 21:32 < cchamilt> You say you don't visit because they are so far away and you have no time. 21:32 < cchamilt> People acted the same way and the island is 15km wide. 21:32 < cchamilt> So you tend not to care to socialize. 21:33 < owl> cchamilt: where is this island? 21:33 < cchamilt> owl: Yeah, I need to learn more about it too. Oh well. 21:34 < cchamilt> owl: The Republic of Singapore is a city-state island. 21:34 < owl> ah. i c. 21:34 < cchamilt> I find it funny they treat their relatives like we do in the US. 21:35 < cchamilt> At least we had excuses. 21:36 < cchamilt> It is weird. I wanted to see my cousin last month when I was in the US, but didn't want to spend time with him. 21:37 < cchamilt> It is like: 'hey your still alive right?', 'yep', 'ok see you in two more years'. 21:37 < cchamilt> Oh well, probably too deep for the list. 21:39 < esden> ahh .. now I know where singapore is 21:40 < cchamilt> Under Malaysia, above Indonesia. 21:40 < tcr> yeah, right at the ass of the world *cough* 21:40 < rolla> :) 21:40 < esden> near malaysia ... 21:41 < esden> vietnam seems not to be very far away on the card ... 21:41 < cchamilt> tcr: Should I be offended? 21:41 < tcr> hmm the right idiom is rather 'in the back of beyond" 21:41 < tcr> cchamilt: no, was actually meant ironically... as i just coughed it 21:41 < cchamilt> esden: :) well it is at the bottom of Southeast Asia. 21:42 < cchamilt> tcr: Oh, OK. 21:42 < esden> and australia is not far away ... ... I can imagine that it is pretty hot there 21:42 < cchamilt> It is in a weird place geographically, which is why it is a city state. 21:42 < esden> ;-) 21:42 < tcr> cchamilt: and coughed not in the meaning of to admitt ... actually 21:43 < cchamilt> tcr: no prob. 21:43 < cchamilt> It is on the equator. 21:44 < cchamilt> So yeah it can be hot. Mostly humid and stays 30+-3^C. 21:44 * -> esden wants to get some time to japan ... first of all ... later I can see if I will get to Singapore and visit you @ cchamilt ;-) 21:44 < cchamilt> Japan looks cool from the limited time I was there. 21:45 < esden> it is the state of technology and anime ... that is why I want to visit it ;-) 21:45 < cchamilt> I want to spend more time there. 21:45 < cchamilt> Oh, well I don't know how much of that you can see there. 21:45 < esden> but that will happen in 3 or 4 years ... wen I can communicate with them ... (that is not as easy as it seems) 21:46 < cchamilt> It isn't as open to tourism as you would think. The highlight of tokyo is actually disney. 21:46 < esden> yes I know that 21:46 < esden> that is why I want to know japanese before I get there 21:46 < cchamilt> Japanese go to other countries to see things, not their backyard. 21:47 < esden> sorry I not really understand ... 21:48 < cchamilt> I mean, they are not set up for tourism because it really isn't a priority for them. 21:48 < esden> I can imagine that ... 21:49 < esden> nonetheless ... I want to learn japanese ... if I go there or not ... *shrug* 21:49 < cchamilt> Japanese is a good language. I think it actually pretty logical romanized. 21:50 < esden> I can tell you more when I have learned more about it ... I only have read a bit about it 21:50 < cchamilt> Most things are romanized, so you can identify words easy. 21:50 < owl> esden: incl. writing it? ;) 21:50 < esden> owl: yes 21:50 < cchamilt> Yep. 21:51 < esden> hiragana is not so difficult 21:51 < cchamilt> Interesting. 21:51 < owl> esden: omg. have fun with it... but i guess it will take ages to communnicate in RL with the people, wouldn't it? 21:51 -!- Satg [~Satg@196.40.66.18] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:52 < cchamilt> OK, it is 5am here and I need to do some work. 21:52 < kasc> owl: one can learn smalltalk quite quickly 21:53 < owl> kasc: hm. really? 21:53 < owl> but especially writing... 21:54 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 21:56 < esden> humm humm 21:57 < kasc> owl: hiragana and katakana are quite easy 21:57 * -> esden reading about smalltalk 21:57 < kasc> kanji are not difficult, but they are quite a few... 21:58 < owl> kasc: define "quite easy" ;) 21:58 < esden> kasc: three years of intensive studys should be enough to learn the base 21:59 < esden> owl: that are images 21:59 < esden> that means that the signs are logical -> easy 21:59 < owl> esden: i know. but - there are lots of it... i guess 20.000, or am i wrong? 22:00 < esden> owl: you do not need to know them all 22:00 < kasc> owl: there are only about 45 characters each. and each character is made of one to five more or less bent lines 22:02 < owl> hm. then i mixed something up. 22:02 < kasc> kanji are those several thousand pictogramms each made of up to twenty and more lines 22:03 < Mike1> owl!!! 22:04 < owl> kasc: ah. k. :) now i'm more clever than before ;P 22:05 < owl> Mike1: ??? 22:05 < Mike1> owl!!! 22:05 < owl> Mike1: ??? 22:06 < Mike1> owl!!! 22:06 < owl> *lol* :P 22:06 < Mike1> *g 22:08 < esden> you love each other ... do I see it right ? ;-) 22:08 < esden> in german you would say ... *tuerteltaeubchen* 22:08 < esden> or so 22:08 < Mike1> esden: of course 22:09 < owl> esden: *kick* 22:09 < esden> o_O 22:09 < esden> owl: be NICE !!! >_< 22:10 < Mike1> esden: is her way to say thx 22:10 < owl> esden: you want another kick? here you are: *kick* :P 22:13 < esden> Mike1: ahh ok 22:14 < esden> owl: that is so nice that you are saying thanks the second time ... 22:14 < owl> esden: don't believe Mike1. he is evil :P 22:14 < Mike1> esden: also she likes to be kicked back 22:14 * -> esden waiting for the third time 22:14 < owl> Mike1: don't telll lies :P 22:14 < esden> no Mike1 is not evil 22:14 < esden> he is very nice ... 22:14 * owl moves esden to /dev/hell 22:14 < Mike1> esden: first kick is thx, second kick is a kiss, guess the third kick 22:15 < esden> and he goes to church as all non evil people do (you only have to take a look at me) 22:15 < owl> esden: no. he is the most evil man i ever met... followed by you... (you both now - i'm just provoking) 22:15 < esden> owl: ohh ... you try to provoke ? tztz 22:15 < esden> bad girl 22:16 < owl> esden: yep. 22:16 < esden> you know what ... you are evil ... not we 22:16 < owl> and i have no problems with it. 22:16 < esden> cat owl | sort > /dev/hell 22:17 < esden> I can not send her there so unsorted 22:17 < esden> otherwise would the hell device explode 22:17 < owl> esden: pah. 22:17 * owl takes a sword and destroys esden 22:17 < Mike1> owl sorry you can't 22:17 < owl> Mike1: why not? 22:18 < Mike1> No mortal can hurt esden 22:18 < esden> Mike1 is right owl 22:18 < esden> I am immortal 22:18 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525997.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:18 < tsa> hi 22:18 < esden> and no mortal has the power to do even a scratch on me 22:18 < owl> hm... "einbildung ist auch eine bildung" 22:18 < owl> hi tsa 22:18 < owl> esden: am i allowed to try it? *vbeg* 22:19 < kasc> hi tsa 22:19 < Mike1> owl: i have the power but guess what? i won't hurt my brother :) 22:19 < esden> you may ... but that will end with you death ... because I have reflexes that I can not help ... they happen ... 22:19 < esden> hi tsa 22:19 < owl> esden: hm 22:20 < esden> and the death will be very painfull ... 22:20 < owl> death... sounds great in my ears... 22:20 < owl> painful - urgs. 22:20 < Mike1> owl: yes you will be hugged untill you die.. maybe something more 22:20 < esden> yes painfull ... but only because you always say that death is ok ... 22:21 < esden> Mike1: very good idea 22:21 < owl> Mike1: uh... that's really evil *cries* :P 22:22 * -> esden giving owl a kiss ... so do you still want to try to scratch me ? 22:22 < Mike1> owl: /me is not evil 22:22 * Mike1 hugs owl 22:22 * owl runs awas 22:22 < owl> y 22:23 < esden> I knew that she will not be able to do that ;-) 22:23 < esden> weee the africola song !!! 22:23 < owl> esden: *hrmpf* pah! 22:25 * -> esden logging in on a pdp-11 22:26 < Mike1> owl!!! 22:26 < owl> Mike1: ? 22:27 < Mike1> owl!!! 22:27 < owl> oh oh... deja vu 22:27 < esden> argh ersatz-11 seems to be down >_< 23:13 < Mike1> *yawn* 23:16 < rolla> grrr 23:16 < Mike1> rolla ? 23:16 < rolla> morons . There are morons everywhere 23:17 < Mike1> whats up? 23:19 < rolla> just tired of morons 23:20 < esden> rolla: /me too 23:21 < rolla> :) 23:21 < rolla> I am just gald I get to go home soon 23:21 < rolla> Mike1: I have a new rock box to play with ;) 23:21 < Mike1> GOOD! 23:21 < rolla> yeah but it is a dual P II :) with all kinds of scsi 23:22 < Mike1> anyways i must go 23:22 < rolla> bye 23:22 < Mike1> rolla we will talk tomorrow about it 23:22 * Mike1 preparing 1.6.0pre3-Mike 23:22 < Mike1> :) 23:22 < rolla> :) 23:22 < Mike1> esden: Gott segne dich mein freund 23:22 < Mike1> n8 all 23:22 < esden> n8 Mike1 ! 23:23 < esden> god bless you too 23:23 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("Client Exiting") 23:34 < tsa> cu 23:34 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525997.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 23:51 -!- demian [~hdw_user@196.40.64.246] has joined #rocklinux 23:51 < demian> hi 23:54 < demian> is there somewhere any libray used to ask a NIS/YP server user's info ? --- Log closed Thu Jan 30 00:00:48 2003