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--- Log opened Wed Feb 12 00:00:40 2003 --- Day changed Wed Feb 12 2003 00:03 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:21 < owl> gn8 00:26 -!- chrisime is now known as chridrunkk 00:26 -!- chridrunkk is now known as chrisDrunk 01:22 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-178-53.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:22 < holyolli> moin 01:22 < Satg> moin holy 01:22 < holyolli> hi satg 01:22 -!- Satg is now known as Mike2 01:23 < Mike2> :) 01:23 < holyolli> oh..hola mi 01:23 < holyolli> ke 01:23 < holyolli> ;) 01:23 < Mike2> hehe hola ho 01:23 < Mike2> ly 01:23 < holyolli> como estas? 01:23 < Mike2> demaciado bien gracias a Dios y tu? 01:23 < holyolli> muy bien. a lot to learn 01:23 < holyolli> ;-) 01:23 < Mike2> holyolli: you never adviced me about ur trip 01:23 < Mike2> holyolli: flying already? 01:24 < holyolli> jepp 01:24 < Mike2> cool 01:24 < Mike2> how many hours you got? 01:24 < holyolli> mike2: at the moment 7h 01:24 < Mike2> nice nice 01:24 < holyolli> mike: every day 1,5h flying time 01:24 < Mike2> so no longer afraid? 01:24 < holyolli> mike: plus 3h backseater 01:24 < Mike2> sounds good 01:24 < holyolli> mike: not at the moment 01:25 < Mike2> holyolli: good, hope you will come by to cr soon :) 01:25 < holyolli> mike: /me hopes that also 01:25 < Mike2> btw i had a link for you somewhere mom 01:30 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-178-53.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 01:30 < tsa> .. 01:31 < tsa> someone seems to just have lost his "link" ;-) 01:32 < Mike2> :) 01:32 < Mike2> hi tsa 01:34 < tsa> hi Mike 01:34 < tsa> 2 01:34 < Mike2> :) 01:42 -!- Fremen|Out is now known as Fremen 02:01 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@63.74.28.237] has joined #rocklinux 02:01 < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!! 02:01 < Fremen> helo 02:09 < Mike2> hi c4y0 and Fremen 02:09 < Mike2> que mas c4y0? 02:10 < c4y0> hola Mike2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 02:10 < Fremen> bien :) 02:11 < Mike2> c4y0: long time not seen you around 02:12 < c4y0> Mike2: now im working!!!! jejeje 02:13 < Mike2> c4y0: congratulations 02:13 < Mike2> anyways i have a bussiness meeting so i will talk to you some other time 02:13 < Mike2> n8 all 02:13 -!- Mike2 is now known as satg 02:14 < Fremen> n8 02:22 < dreamind> nite :) 02:23 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 02:23 < Fremen> n8 02:25 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@63.74.28.237] has quit ("BitchX: it isn't only my script, its also my client") 02:27 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522877.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 02:35 -!- Fremen is now known as Fremen|Out 02:43 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522877.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:26 < tsa> n8 03:26 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E123D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 03:43 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522877.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 03:50 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 06:55 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: simon 06:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: simon 06:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti 07:11 -!- Mike2 [mike@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:11 < Mike2> moin 07:11 < Mike2> ping [anders] 07:14 -!- Mike2 [mike@rocklinux.de] has quit (Client Quit) 07:14 < blindcoder> moin Mike2 07:14 < blindcoder> *grmpf* 09:33 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: _NULL!~mail-spam@213.68.39.1))) 09:34 -!- owl [~mail-spam@213.68.39.1] has joined #rocklinux 09:34 < owl> hi 09:34 < owl> aszlig: aszlig.net not reachable from outside as it seems... 09:38 -!- owl [~mail-spam@213.68.39.1] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: owl_!~mail-spam@213.68.39.1))) 10:30 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@aszlig.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:30 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@aszlig.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:32 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit ("Client Exiting") 10:33 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 11:49 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522FB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:49 -!- chrisDrunk is now known as chrisime 12:23 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522FB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 13:04 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 < owl> re 13:28 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:28 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@aszlig.net] has quit (Client Quit) 13:28 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:28 < aszlig> rehi 13:39 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:41 < Ge0rG> *sigh* life suxx... I'm getting spam because my email-address is part of my irc hostmask... is it possible that it corelates to the web publication of #rocklinux logs? 13:46 < Ge0rG> what I mean is: are you getting spam too? maybe from a person named william uwe, regarding fund transfers? maybe the hostmasks in the irclogs should be obfuscated? or am I just paranoid? 13:52 < aszlig> hrm... 13:52 < aszlig> try setting up spamassassin 13:59 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522FB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 < Ge0rG> hm... sounds like yet another workaround... I'll do more testing adn experiment with idents... 14:41 -!- Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: praenti 14:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti 14:46 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p508029C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:55 < satg> Hello people !!! 14:55 < owl> hi satg 14:55 < satg> Hi owl 14:57 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508024EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:09 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@paradome.de] has quit ("leaving") 15:13 -!- dreamind [dreamind@skeeter.dreamind.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 15:15 < Mike1> moin all 16:06 -!- loideal [~ircap7@196.40.30.116] has joined #rocklinux 16:06 < Mike1> eso juanca 16:16 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:24 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909A5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("BitchX: often imitated, never duplicated!") 16:25 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909A5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:30 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F17E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:33 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FDCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:02 < fake> esden: ping 17:02 < Mike1> hi fake :) 17:02 < fake> Mike1: hi! arp-spoofer ;) 17:02 < Mike1> grr 17:03 < fake> j/k 17:04 < Mike1> :) 17:23 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 17:24 < esden> fake: reping 17:24 < fake> esden: hi! 17:24 < esden> hi fake ! 17:25 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E12DFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:25 < fake> btw, esden, blindcoder, webalizer is gone since we moved from mars -> apollo 17:25 < tsa> hi 17:25 < tsa> blindcoder: are you alive? 17:26 < Mike1> tsa: quite a good question 17:26 < Mike1> :) 17:26 < tsa> hehe .. hi Mike1 17:26 < Mike1> hola tsa :) 17:26 < esden> hi Mike1, tsa 17:26 < tsa> hi esden 17:27 < esden> fake: no ... we have installed it afterwords 17:27 < Mike1> hi esdy 17:27 < fake> esden: i already mentioned it not running a few weeks ago, but you said we don't need it ;) 17:28 < blindcoder> fake: no, because I used it up until the 10th of february 17:28 < blindcoder> hi all, my mum just stormed into my croom demanding me to open a website 17:34 < tsa> ahh 17:35 < tsa> hi blindcoder 17:35 < blindcoder> hi tsa :) 17:35 < tsa> == 17:22:38 =[5]=> Building blindcoder/libgli [0.4 1.7-snapshot]. 17:35 < tsa> !> The package build aborted with the following config error: 17:35 < tsa> !> libgli: Unknown package category: x11/library 17:35 < tsa> !> libgli: Unknown package status: Unstable 17:35 < tsa> !> Disable the 'Paranoia Check' config option to ignore suc .. 17:35 < tsa> == 02/12/03 17:22:38 =[5]=> Aborted building package libgli. 17:35 < esden> hi blindcoder 17:35 < tsa> please fix. 17:35 < blindcoder> ups... 17:35 < blindcoder> tsa: will do, thanks 17:35 < tsa> hehe..ok.. 17:35 < blindcoder> Maybe I shouldn't have disabled the Paranoia check since the "Found duplicate files"-Chock was added 17:35 < blindcoder> hi esden 17:36 < tsa> # ls *err|wc -l 17:36 < tsa> 84 17:36 < blindcoder> I had >300 17:36 < blindcoder> and without the para-check ~90 17:36 < tsa> hm...this is with para-check, i'm in stage 7 now.. 17:36 < tsa> i won't do stage 9 since too much stuff is broken. 17:37 < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should compile ROCK more often then :) 17:38 < tsa> whoever introduced two bdb versions should be shot...that breaks most things.. 17:38 < blindcoder> hmm 17:38 < tsa> ...and i'd very appreciate if someone could code a better linker for linux. 17:39 < blindcoder> hehe 17:39 < tsa> having a ld with run-path support would make many things a lot easier.. 17:39 * tsa starts to like solaris. 17:39 < Mike1> slowlaris? 17:40 < fake> slooow... 17:40 < fake> so damn slooooooow... 17:40 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909A5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:40 < tsa> hm...solaris 9 is ok, imho. 17:40 < fake> on intel? ;) 17:41 < tsa> NO! 17:41 < fake> well, it indeed is usable on an dual USparc3 900 ;) 17:41 < fake> with 2 Gigs of ram 17:41 < tsa> on my u10 and on my ss20 with 1.5 cpu's :-( 17:41 < fake> 1.5? 17:41 < fake> counting the keyboard controller? ;) 17:41 < tsa> 2x 125mhz, but the fpu is broken in one of them.. 17:42 < fake> oh -_- 17:42 < tsa> :-(( 17:42 < tsa> still looking for a cheap replacement of upgrade.. 17:42 < fake> i have to admit i only had contact with solaris 9 on a blade 1000 with the above-mentioned config and on bigger servers 17:42 < tsa> i wonder why you don't like it, then.. 17:43 < fake> but the 'desktop'-performance of solaris 8 gave me the creeps 17:43 < tsa> ack. 8 is really slow.. 17:43 < tsa> cde sucks, anyway.. 17:43 < fake> solaris 9 is ok... ssh is in there by default. greate plus... 17:43 -!- loideal [~ircap7@196.40.30.116] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:43 -!- loideal [~ircap7@196.40.30.116] has joined #rocklinux 17:43 < fake> if only gnome2 were in it... 17:44 < tsa> oh...gnome2.0 is available from sun.. 17:44 < tsa> released a few days ago.. 17:44 < Mike1> ack 17:44 < fake> i know, but i isn't in solaris 9, so i will not have it on sun's internal sunrays pretty soon ;) 17:44 < tsa> hehe 17:45 < fake> they're still on solaris 8 17:45 < tsa> ah 17:45 < fake> what is the most significant change when you're a sysadmin between solaris 9 and 8 ? 17:45 < fake> df -h works ;)) 17:46 < tsa> sun-ssh is a great step forward, but i has some problems when using protocol 2 and dsa-keys for authentication 17:46 < fake> ACK 17:46 < fake> i fell back to rsa1 17:46 -!- kasc [~kasc@p509094E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:46 < tsa> sun-ssh -> openssh works ok, but dsa-authentication doesn't work the other way round.. 17:47 < fake> jep. and of course i needed an ascii-armored key for in-shell-script-distribution... rsa1 is not very ascii-comptaible... :) 17:48 < fake> bad evil uuen/uudecode hack 17:49 < fake> does anybody know wether openbsd already got the usparcIII docs from sun? 17:50 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-13-1-dialup-120.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 17:51 < tsa> no idea.. 17:51 < fake> hm... 17:51 * fake had frustrating experiences with freebsd 5.0 for sparc64 this weekend 17:52 < zer0_o> what happend? =( 17:52 < fake> first of all sysinstall isn't usable if you don't know that Ctrl+N and Ctrl+P can replace the cursor keys 17:53 < zer0_o> lol 17:53 < fake> second, the complete xfree package is missing on the 2 (!) distribution cd's - but the option to install it is offered 17:53 < fake> and third, the kernel panics when installing perl (much disk i/o) 17:54 < zer0_o> ?? 17:54 < zer0_o> xfree is missing ? 17:54 < fake> no idea... 17:54 < zer0_o> i installed it =) 17:54 < fake> if i select that in sysinstall, it complains about a mising tgz 17:54 < fake> zer0_o: what machine? 17:54 < zer0_o> i386 17:54 < fake> i am talking about sparc64... 17:55 < fake> (if xfree weren't included on i386, i wouldn't be able to read this ;) 17:55 < zer0_o> ^^ 18:11 < zer0_o> fake 18:11 < fake> wuff? 18:11 < zer0_o> did you install winex? 18:12 < fake> just wine, iirc 18:13 < fake> wanted to play dod on a lan session ;) 18:13 < zer0_o> wine doesn't support directx , right? 18:13 < fake> of course it does! 18:13 < fake> directx is about the one thing wine can do best - besides crashing ;) 18:14 < Mike1> directx is for the birds 18:14 < zer0_o> i thought winex was for directx 8.1 ? 18:14 < fake> the... big birds. the ones with large claws... 18:14 < Mike1> :)) 18:14 < Mike1> ls 18:14 < Mike1> grr 18:14 < fake> winex just has 'improved' support for directx 18:14 < zer0_o> löl 18:15 < zer0_o> ah 18:15 < fake> the most thing in winex is if you pay for it, there is a copy-protection-circumvention for installshield in it 18:15 * zer0_o is going out with the dog =) 18:15 < fake> i never found out what else is oh-so-different 18:15 < fake> zer0_o: wuff wuff. 18:15 < zer0_o> yeah ;) 18:16 < zer0_o> fake, does it support dx 9 ? 18:17 < zer0_o> ouch, dx 9 isn't out yet ^^ 18:17 < zer0_o> LOL 18:17 < fake> it isn't? 18:17 < zer0_o> is it ? 18:17 < fake> no, i think it supports dx7 - or - something but that doesn't matter 18:17 < Mike1> ask the birds 18:17 < zer0_o> hehe 18:17 < zer0_o> i will 18:17 < fake> no game out there uses those features, iirc 18:18 < fake> or they are backwards-compatible 18:18 < fake> and only work if you have a gfx card faster than your processor 18:18 < fake> hehe. 18:18 < fake> damn games. 18:18 < zer0_o> games are cool, but mostly not good written ... 18:19 < zer0_o> i have really to go now 18:19 < zer0_o> otherwise the dog get nervous ^^ 18:19 < fake> bye zer0_o ! 18:19 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-ls-13-1-dialup-120.freesurf.ch] has quit ("cya") 18:45 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522FB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 19:55 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813273.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:56 < owl> hi 19:59 < tcr> moin all 19:59 < owl> hi tcr 20:00 < owl> tcr: (or someone) ever "aufgeschraubt" a DEC 3000/300 LX 20:00 < owl> ? 20:01 < tcr> I might have unscrewed one at any time... but I'm not a hardware guy anyway, so i dont think i can help you with any issue on it 20:01 < owl> *cries* thx. 20:02 < owl> esden: *ping* ? 20:43 -!- zer0_o [~bino@pop-zh-11-2-dialup-152.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 -!- loideal [~ircap7@196.40.30.116] has quit (" IRcap 7.0 https://www.ircap.net !!") 21:12 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-071-115.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-071-115.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:23 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 < armijn> re 21:24 < owl> hi armijn 21:24 < armijn> hi owl 21:24 < armijn> believe it or not, I'm currently running ROCK... 21:25 < owl> armijn: hehe ;) what happend? 21:25 < armijn> well, I've got this hybrid ROCK/Debian on UltraSparc... 21:25 < armijn> and decided to boot ROCK and then I noticed ssh wasm 21:25 < armijn> ehr 21:25 < armijn> wasn't broken 21:26 < armijn> it was just that the network wasn't configured right 21:26 < owl> hm. k 21:26 < armijn> but I will install OpenBSD anyway 21:26 < armijn> just to play with pf 21:26 < armijn> I interviewed Bruce Perens today 21:27 < armijn> was interesting 21:28 < tsa> re. 21:28 < tsa> hi armijn 21:29 < owl> hi tsa 21:29 < tsa> hi owl 21:29 < armijn> hi tsa 21:35 < tcr> armijn: where will it be able to be read from? 21:36 < Mike1> well well look who is here 21:36 < armijn> tcr: the interview? 21:36 < Mike1> owl was starting to miss you armijn 21:36 < tcr> yep 21:36 < armijn> tcr: Linux Magazine NL 21:37 < armijn> Mike1: of course, and you know I love her dearly, so I returned 21:38 < owl> Mike1: don't tell lies 21:38 < blindcoder> =me going to bed. 21:38 < blindcoder> god night, everyone 21:39 < owl> good night blindy 21:42 < Mike1> nacht blindcoder 21:43 < Mike1> owl: i am not the one saying that loves you 21:43 < Mike1> armijn: so when is the wedding ? will i be invited? 21:43 < Mike1> :) 21:43 < tcr> hmm anyone knows when the uptime is overflowed? 21:43 < armijn> tcr: after about 500 days :) 21:44 < armijn> 497 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes and 53 seconds 21:45 < armijn> mike1: maybe... 21:45 < armijn> tcr: i fyou rally wanna know, check an article on https://e-zine.nluug.nl/ 21:45 < owl> Mike1: aeh? 21:45 < armijn> about Linux uptime 21:46 < tcr> already found 21:47 -!- Mike2 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 21:47 < tcr> uh, that scares me 21:47 < armijn> they're replicating! AAAAAH! 21:47 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 21:47 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 21:47 < tsa> hm..we have two machines at work with recently overflowed uptime counters.. 21:47 < armijn> tsa: 2.2 kernels? 21:48 < tsa> both with 2.2.19 kernels.. 21:48 < tsa> yes 21:48 < armijn> check the article on e-zine.nluug.nl ;-) 21:48 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 21:48 -!- Mike2 is now known as Mike1 21:49 < armijn> argh, got too many books I still need to read 21:49 < Mike1> armijn: enjoy :) 21:49 < armijn> mike1: urgh. 21:50 < tsa> armijn: are you familar with sun ram? 21:50 < armijn> tsa: you mean the forth stuff? 21:50 < armijn> OpenBoot stuff? 21:50 < tcr> armijn: me too 21:50 < tsa> no. i have some problems with adding RAM to my ultra10. 21:50 < armijn> ah, oh 21:51 < armijn> well, it's pretty muich standard stuff... 21:51 < armijn> buy it from Sun, add it, turn on power again 21:51 < tsa> i know. edo ecc 3.3v buffered 21:51 < tsa> no. 21:51 < tsa> _that's_ the problem. 21:51 < armijn> well, I only have SBus machines, with proprietary RAM chips 21:51 < tsa> i already have 2x128mb in the machine 21:52 < tsa> now i got another 2x128mb 21:52 < tsa> power off, put RAM in, turn power on again. memory detected as 2x32mb 21:52 < armijn> and? 21:52 < tsa> ..which is not what i really want. 21:52 < armijn> if you swap it? 21:53 < tsa> already tried that. 21:53 < tsa> no success. 21:53 < tcr> tsa: passing mem= doesnt change anything? 21:53 < armijn> the OpenBoot stuff detects only 2 * 32 MB? 21:53 < tsa> exchanged modules, put only the new ones in and it comes up reporting a total of 64mb 21:53 < tsa> yes. 21:54 < tsa> tcr: passing mem= to what? 21:55 < tcr> kernel 21:55 < armijn> so, maybe these modules are wrong? 21:55 < armijn> tcr: that's got no use 21:55 < tsa> the new modules are part-no 370-3200-01, double-sided. 21:55 < armijn> tcr: the OPB doesn't detect it 21:55 < tcr> ok 21:55 < tsa> the old ones have another part-no. and they are single sided. 21:55 < tsa> sunsolve says they should work, but they don't. 21:55 < armijn> tsa: call Sun helpdesk? ask ripclaw? 21:56 < tsa> armijn: no contract. but i sure will call ripclaw tomorrow.. 21:58 < armijn> good 21:58 < armijn> I should reboot... 21:59 < armijn> test a disk 21:59 < tsa> have fun.. 21:59 < armijn> dunno :) 21:59 < armijn> it was a disk I got from a W2K server (Dell machine) which broke down 21:59 < armijn> I'd love to have it in my Ultra1... 21:59 < armijn> but I'm not sure if it still works 21:59 < armijn> put some Sun sliders on it 21:59 < tsa> scsi disk? 21:59 < armijn> SCA 21:59 < tsa> hm..ok. 22:00 < armijn> like all good disks ;-) 22:00 < tsa> will probably complain about disklabel and stuff. 22:00 < tsa> format/fmthard should help 22:00 < armijn> nah, just fdisk 22:00 < tsa> linux? 22:00 < armijn> da 22:01 < tsa> hm..ok. no format/fmthard, then. 22:01 < armijn> I don't care for the data 22:01 < armijn> it was in a RAID-5 setup on W2K... 22:01 < armijn> and the machine crashed hard 22:01 < armijn> and is replaced by a tiny FreeBSD machine 22:02 < tsa> raid is a good mechnism to ensure _all_ data gets corrupted on win2k.. 22:02 < armijn> oh, but this was a really special case 22:02 < armijn> when one disk had failed and the machine was rebooted, it didn't find a boot device 22:02 < armijn> turned out the controller didn't like a failed disk 22:02 < armijn> so we upgraded the firmware 22:03 < armijn> turned out Windows didn't like that version of the firmware 22:03 < tsa> hehe 22:03 < armijn> and another *CLUELESS* labadmin tried to "fix" it and crashed another disk 22:03 < armijn> "see! it's not Windows' fault!" 22:03 < armijn> that's what he said 22:05 < armijn> so I kicked him out of the lab (more or less, he sensed bad vibes) and I installed a machine with FreeBSD, Samba, ISC dhcpd and it's been running like that for quite a while without problems 22:05 < armijn> and that was the *REALLY* short version of the story :) 22:06 < armijn> ok, I need to test that disk 22:06 < armijn> I will be back for owl later... 22:06 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 22:13 < zer0_o> hi all 22:14 < owl> hi zer0_o 22:14 < zer0_o> hi owl, whats up? 22:14 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("Changing server") 22:16 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@62.99.178.159] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 < owl> re 22:17 < zer0_o> re 22:51 < demian> hi 22:52 < Mike1> demian: :) 22:52 < owl> hi demian 22:52 < demian> i have webmail in scar already 22:52 < Mike1> good 22:52 < demian> Mike1: wanna see screenshots ? 22:52 < demian> squirrelmail ! 22:52 < Mike1> you suck! 22:53 < demian> hehe, i put it for a while 22:53 < demian> cause im having probs with jawmail.. 22:53 < demian> it doesnt recognize i have php installed propertly 22:53 < Mike1> demian: maybe because you didnt compile it properly 22:53 < demian> i will hack it later 22:53 < Mike1> sure 22:54 < Mike1> squirellmail...man ! 22:54 < demian> no, it is well compiled, squirrelmails dunt have probs 22:54 < demian> take it easy 22:54 < demian> ill change it when i solve that little prob :) 22:54 < demian> but.. 22:55 < Mike1> demian: sure it is easy squirrelmail is for mdk users 22:55 < demian> i cant send messages, sendmail says that apache is not able to write to the queue dir 22:55 < Mike1> i am starting to see the problem 22:55 < demian> but the rest of users are able. 22:56 < Mike1> it is not a software problem, its more an admin problem :) 22:56 < demian> and.. the apache user, by itself dunt have probs to acess those dirs, and write to them 22:56 < demian> well, probably 22:56 < Mike1> read :) 22:56 < demian> but.. even with 7777 permissions apache cant write there 22:57 < Mike1> lol 22:57 < Mike1> definitly an admin problem 22:57 < Mike1> :) 22:57 < demian> hehe 22:57 < demian> Feb 12 14:21:30 scar sendmail[32756]: h1CKLSnS032756: SYSERR(apache): queueup: cannot create queue temp file ./tfh1CKLSnS032756, uid=2011: Permission denied 22:57 < demian> when i su to apache, i can write and send mail like other user. 22:58 < tsa> version? 22:58 < demian> of ? 22:59 < tsa> sendmail 22:59 < demian> 8.12.6 22:59 < Mike1> ah well i am off 22:59 < Mike1> n8 all 22:59 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:00 < tcr> n8 mike 23:00 < tsa> ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail 23:00 < demian> im not on that host now.. but what da u want to see ? 23:00 < tsa> permissions.. 23:01 < demian> it is suid, owned by smmsp.smmsp 23:01 < tsa> suid? 23:01 < tsa> strange. 23:01 < demian> same happened when i installed inn 23:01 * tsa recommends sgid 23:02 < tsa> -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 544820 Nov 29 22:02 /usr/sbin/sendmail 23:02 < tsa> drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 48 Feb 12 22:49 /var/spool/clientmqueue/ 23:02 < tsa> drwx------ 2 root root 48 Feb 12 22:49 /var/spool/mqueue/ 23:02 < demian> aha 23:03 -!- zer0_o [~bino@pop-zh-11-2-dialup-152.freesurf.ch] has quit ("hf") 23:04 < demian> well, first.. apache was complaining cause it was unable to read sendmail.cf. and after that.. the problem creating the queue 23:04 < demian> Feb 12 14:21:30 scar sendmail[32756]: h1CKLSnS032756: SYSERR(apache): collect: Cannot write ./dfh1CKLSnS032756 (bfcommit, uid=2011, gid=201): Permission denied 23:05 < tsa> sendmail.cf should be 644 23:06 < demian> yes, i fixed it after see that, go+r permissions 23:09 < tsa> permissions of submit.cf ? 23:09 < demian> no.. 23:10 < tsa> no? 23:10 < demian> apache seems to be able to send, but not to write queue. 23:10 < demian> no 23:10 < demian> why apache is reading those files, instead of use sendmail directly ? 23:11 < tsa> apache executes sendmail, sendmail reads submit.cf 23:11 < tsa> i'd guess /etc/mail/submit.cf is missing. 23:11 < demian> well, sendmail is able to read submit.cf of course 23:12 < demian> why u think so ? 23:13 < tsa> had a similar problem a while ago.. 23:13 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 23:13 < armijn> re 23:13 < armijn> bwah, I hate this...disk is too big to fit in the case 23:13 < demian> i will deep at that then, thanx 23:13 < tsa> hehe 23:14 < tsa> what kind of machine is it? 23:14 < demian> hi armijn 23:14 < armijn> tsa: Ultra1 23:15 < armijn> so now I've to hook it up externally... 23:15 < armijn> I hope I got the right cable for it 23:15 * demian uses a hard disk rack for those probs ;-) 23:16 < armijn> yeah, well, that isn't gonna help me here now is it? 23:16 < armijn> :) 23:17 < armijn> tsa: disks are full height...so, doesn't fit... 23:17 < armijn> either two half height, or one full height 23:17 < demian> well, u have first to put the rack..which dunno if is gonna fit too :p 23:21 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 23:21 < demian> hi ringo30 23:22 < ringo30> hi demian ! 23:22 < ringo30> all ok ? 23:23 < demian> so so.. ur side ? 23:25 < ringo30> rel ok .. trying to understand iptables :-( hmm got to read for 2 hour or so ... 23:25 < armijn> use ipfilter 23:25 < armijn> you'd have to install a BSD or Solaris for it, but it's worth it 23:27 < demian> ip6tables 23:27 < tcr> and then? he'd have to spend several hours for ipfilter? where are the advantagesß 23:27 < armijn> you don' thave to spend several hours for ipfilter ;-) 23:27 < ringo30> bedankt armijn oops dutch ;-) 23:27 < armijn> that's the beauty of it 23:28 < armijn> it reads like poetry... 23:28 < tcr> you have to spend several hours for iptables either 23:28 < tcr> dont 23:28 < tcr> anyway, why dont you just use some of those graphical frontends? 23:28 < armijn> not all this gibberish of input chains, output chains, temporary chains, backup chains and lots of other chains 23:28 < armijn> no, just: filter that stuff on this interface, that stuff on that one 23:29 < ringo30> Yeh i've read some things ... Armijn helemaaal gelijk, PREROUTING POSTROUTING ... 23:30 < armijn> exactly 23:31 < demian> what's the diff between iptables and ipfilter ? 23:31 < armijn> demian: iptables is on Linux 23:31 < armijn> ipfilter is on FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris 23:32 < demian> but.. it is the same stuff about chains and tables, and targets ? 23:32 < armijn> no 23:33 < demian> so.. what changes ? 23:33 < armijn> the operating system?? 23:34 < ringo30> tcr: Am looking for graph front end, what is a good one fwbuilder firestarter guarddog kmyfirewall shaorewall ? 23:34 < demian> nevermind :/ 23:34 < tcr> fwbuilder looked good when I was trying it 23:35 < tcr> havent tested the other ones though 23:35 < ringo30> I'll give that a try 23:35 < ringo30> eating cold bamischijf met mayo 23:36 < armijn> that's disgusting 23:36 < ringo30> hmm I love it ! 23:40 < demian> could someone remember me the format of the rule to maskerade ? (iptables) 23:40 < demian> i need NOW to make a 192.168.0.0 net join with the 10.0.0.0 netword to make them able to connect to inet 23:41 < armijn> demian: euh 23:41 < armijn> NAT 23:41 < demian> aha 23:41 < demian> iptables - t nat ..what else ? 23:41 < armijn> or renumber one of the networks 23:42 < armijn> which is the easiest way 23:42 < armijn> *if* you've got DHCP 23:42 < armijn> smells like bad network design 23:42 < armijn> :) 23:42 < demian> this situation makes it impossible now.. maybe later 23:45 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813273.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 23:49 < ringo30> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_DEV -j MASQUERADE 23:51 < ringo30> demain: any good ? 23:51 < demian> yes, i just will add -i option, tahnx 23:52 < ringo30> demain: ok, no probs. 23:57 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082B3EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:57 < Be-El> hi ppl 23:57 < demian> hi Be-El 23:58 < Be-El> i've got a question about mine...if i remove a package, does it remove modified files of that package (in this case sysfiles and /etc/passwd /etc/groups....) 23:59 < Be-El> and what happens if i install a new version of a package ? --- Log closed Thu Feb 13 00:00:26 2003