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--- Log opened Sun Mar 30 00:00:52 2003 00:01 -!- o1k [~Ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 00:23 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p5081396A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 00:30 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 00:30 < armijn> re 00:30 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c00e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:34 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 00:41 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:42 < A-Tui> hi all 00:51 < o1k> hi A-Tui all_OK? 00:53 < A-Tui> hi olk 00:53 < A-Tui> yes all right! 00:53 < A-Tui> i was reading and posting some news 01:00 < o1k> nice to hear ! I was just watching tele ... 01:01 < o1k> Its just some silly abrev form obiwan kanobi ... 01:02 < o1k> I should go to sleep .... I've had a nice bottle of beaujelais. 01:02 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:02 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 01:03 < A-Tui> re 01:03 < o1k> re 01:03 < A-Tui> power link unplugged 01:03 < A-Tui> :) 01:05 < o1k> hmm thats nice ;-) I only get disconected when I am over an ssh link with my isp. 01:05 < A-Tui> ops thats worse :) 01:06 < o1k> Yehh I know but still running irssi form my home. Thats stable no disconnects untill @home goes down. 01:08 < A-Tui> irssi survived? :) 01:12 < o1k> It hasnt been down. But still I must go to sleep .... wine_influence > 01:12 < A-Tui> :) 01:12 < A-Tui> good night, and happy dreams! 01:13 < o1k> thanks think I'll need some asperine tomorrow... Good night to you 2 A-Tui... Bye 01:13 < A-Tui> bye 03:04 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A143.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:21 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-1-170.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 04:01 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:01 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co -P rock-1.5 && cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 04:01 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Thu Nov 21 19:29:37 2002] 04:01 (Users #rocklinux) 04:01 [ A-Tui ] [ esden ] [ kasc ] [ owl ] [ rolla ] [ tfing] 04:01 [ aszlig ] [ hannes__] [ netrunner_] [ Parabull] [ ruddur] 04:01 [ capchaos] [ huebi ] [ o1k ] [ ringo78_] [ SMP ] 04:01 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 04:01 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002 04:01 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 4 secs 04:01 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:05 -!- fake [~fake@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:06 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508AA781.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:20 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c00e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ("Da steh ich nun, ich armer Tor, und bin so klug als wie zuvor.") 04:54 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX") 05:01 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AA931.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:09 -!- netrunner_ [~netrunner@p508020A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:18 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508AA781.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:12 -!- netrunner_ [~netrunner@p50802C48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:15 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-1-170.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:53 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:53 < rxr> re 09:07 -!- wosch [~wosch@p50817B62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:07 < wosch> moin 09:34 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FD7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:03 < kasc> moin 10:05 < blindcoder> moin kasc 10:09 < rxr> rehi kasc blindcoder 10:09 < rxr> hi wosch 10:09 < wosch> hi, installing alpha... runs nice so far 10:11 < blindcoder> moin rxr wosch 10:12 < rxr> wosch: in wich step of the install are you now ? 10:12 * rxr currently also testing in vmware 10:17 * blindcoder documenting (finally) his LED - case-mod and ledmeter Software 10:23 < rxr> ;-) 10:23 < rxr> I also had a ledmeter software for an 8 LED connected to parallel port hack ;-) 10:26 < blindcoder> yes, exactly that is what I have. I'm now finally going to write some documentation and put the ledmeter program online so it's "backed up" somewhere :) 10:27 < blindcoder> actually I have 2x6 LEDs, 8 of them on parallel port, 3 on NIC and one on IDE-Activity :) 10:28 < wosch> It's through with all copying. I did not watch all of it, though. 10:29 < wosch> There's a minor glitch in the beginning, when you first mount filesystems 10:30 < rxr> the mount point is not specified, or what is the minor glicht ? 10:30 < rxr> er glitch ;-) 10:30 < wosch> after mounting, the mount point is not displayed in the dialog 10:30 < rxr> jups I also noticied this 10:31 < wosch> ok 10:53 < wosch> btw, is it possible to fine-tune a locale setting so it uses english as a language but localized settings for date or currency formats and such? 10:53 < wosch> blinkenlights... :) 10:54 < blindcoder> `TZ="GMT" date` ? 10:55 < rxr> I'll announce the alpha ISO now - any objections ? 10:55 < wosch> not yet, it doesn't explode your machine... 10:55 < rxr> hm? 10:56 < wosch> no ugly bugs found so far. 10:59 < rxr> Good. 11:00 < wosch> Umh, is there something different than vi available in the initial stage? (No flames please!) 11:07 < blindcoder> https://www.crash-override.net/ledmeter/ <-- not pretty, but it does the job :) 11:18 -!- _wosch_ [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:36 -!- wosch [~wosch@p50817B62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:49 -!- _wosch_ is now known as wosch 11:50 < wosch> rxr: I like your alpha! No major hassles. great! 11:51 < wosch> It's great to see a KDE without all that suse crap 12:01 < wosch> umh... running depmod -a still scrolls lots of unresolved symbols 12:02 < wosch> trying to modprobe snd-sb16 also gives unresolved symbols, including commos like kfree, printk, ... weird! 12:08 < rxr> hm 12:08 < rxr> Normally this should have been fixed 12:08 < rxr> this was caused by a missing genksyms 12:09 < rxr> maybe this happend because this was not one build - I did several updated rebuilds in the same tree. 12:10 < rxr> I'll verify if this bug is still present in the CVS, or if this is only a build problem 12:10 < rxr> btw I scheduled a freshmeat announcement for this ISO. 12:12 -!- rockwosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:12 < rockwosch> :) 12:14 -!- rockwosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 12:14 -!- rockwosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:22 < wosch> I'm no expert on alsa. weird... even though it failed to modprobe snd-sb16, i suddenly have sound in kde 12:26 < o1k> It only uses soundcore rest are alsa modules. 12:28 < wosch> what do i have to install in order to get mozilla running? it complains about a missing libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 12:28 < rxr> gcc3 needs to be installed 12:28 -!- o1k [~Ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("trying to get ide writer up and writing..") 12:29 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-3-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 12:30 < rxr> cu later 12:30 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 12:42 -!- wosch_ [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:44 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C9DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:58 -!- wosch_ [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.23 [Mozilla rv:1.3/20030324]") 12:58 -!- rockwosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux () 13:53 < ringo78_> how do I get my ide writer to work ? I have got ide-scsi compiled, how do I get devfs to create the device ? 14:27 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-073-009.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:29 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-3-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:49 < ringo78_> stupid had to compile cd support for scsi .... Mjam I am (...) fill in the blanks.... 14:52 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 14:53 < ringo78_> hi Mike1 15:27 < esden> good day everyone 15:27 < daja77> hi esden 15:27 -!- praenti [~praenti@p50802FA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:27 < praenti> hi 15:27 < esden> huhu praenti 15:27 * daja77 is fighting the burocrats 15:27 < daja77> hi praenti 15:27 < praenti> Mike1: here? 15:30 < daja77> hmm Mike1 seems to sleep, cr is not switching to dst 15:31 < esden> hmm ... the clock on apollo seems to be wrong ... :-/ 15:31 < esden> ahh no ... it is right 15:31 < esden> good 15:32 < praenti> i have a problem here with compiling gnucash. configure says that lib ghttp is unknown but libghttp is installed ... 15:32 < praenti> and i want to fix this damn thing 15:32 < praenti> esden: are you in IN or M? 15:33 < daja77> can you print the error message? 15:33 < praenti> checking for gtkhtml < 1.1... checking for gtk_html_new in -lgtkhtml... yes 15:33 < praenti> Unknown library `ghttp' 15:33 < praenti> Unknown library `ghttp' 15:33 < praenti> checking for ghttp_request_new in -lghttp... no 15:33 < praenti> configure: error: Cannot find ghttp. See the README and config.log for more info. 15:33 < praenti> and a ls in /opt/gnome2/lib: 15:34 < praenti> libghttp.a libgtkhtml-2.a pango 15:34 < praenti> libghttp.la libgtkhtml-2.la pkgconfig 15:34 < praenti> libghttp.so libgtkhtml-2.so python2.2 15:34 < praenti> libghttp.so.1 libgtkhtml-2.so.0 vfs 15:34 < praenti> libghttp.so.1.0.0 15:34 < daja77> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gnome2/lib perhaps? 15:35 < praenti> this is done by the conf file already. hmm one moment i have an idea 15:35 < praenti> ok have it. miguel has a typo 15:36 < praenti> ;-) 15:36 < daja77> :) 15:36 < praenti> ahh shit. its no typo 15:36 < praenti> . $base/package/*/*/gnome-2.conf 15:36 < praenti> is right 15:37 < praenti> the - is new 15:37 < praenti> ;-) 15:38 < praenti> ok. as i can see there is no LD_LIBRARY_PATH exported. i will try your idea 15:38 -!- ^wolf^ [~chatzilla@pD9514975.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:39 < ^wolf^> wenn ich ./scripts/Download -required ausfuehre, passiert garnichts 15:39 < daja77> ?? 15:40 < praenti> ^wolf^: hast du vorher ./scripts/Config ausgeführt? 15:40 < ^wolf^> praenti: ja 15:40 -!- wosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:40 < praenti> dann is da was faul 15:40 < ^wolf^> praenti: wie kann ich das ergebnis von Config ueberpruefen? 15:41 < esden> praenti: I am in IN 15:41 < praenti> ^wolf^: im unterverz. config liegt dann unter default was drin 15:41 < esden> praenti: why ? 15:41 < ^wolf^> is english preferred here? fine with me 15:41 < praenti> esden: do you come to the lugin meeting? 15:42 < esden> praenti, ^wolf^ ... use english please 15:42 < ^wolf^> ok 15:42 < praenti> ^wolf^: yes. cause we have non german speaking developers 15:42 < ^wolf^> config/ contains: config packages packages.txt 15:42 < esden> praenti: I do not think so ... but ... when ? where ? 15:43 < praenti> esden: 16:00 CEST at jagdschloß 15:43 < praenti> i know i will be too late 15:43 < esden> k ... will see what I can do 15:46 < praenti> btw. for the not-german speaking people. wolf has a problem to run Download. he has already run Config and on his system nothing is happening when he start Download 15:47 < esden> praenti: proxy ? 15:47 < ^wolf^> i removed rock-src* --- how do i start all over? 15:47 < ^wolf^> i'd like to install 1.7 dRock 15:49 < esden> use cvs to get the sources (see channel topic) 15:50 < ^wolf^> ok 15:51 < esden> and run "./scripts/Download -all" once more 15:51 < ^wolf^> -all ? 15:52 < ^wolf^> why not -required ? 15:52 < esden> or -required ... 15:52 < ^wolf^> ok 16:02 < ^wolf^> after the cvs download i run ./scripts/Config ? and then ./scripts/Download ? 16:03 < praenti> argl. gnucash has a bug in configure 16:03 < praenti> i can fix now gnucash... 16:09 < praenti> argl. and a mount has damaged my build i hate it 16:09 < daja77> ?? 16:10 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-3-166.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 16:10 < tfing> moin' 16:11 < praenti> daja77: when you disable the option always cleanup src blabla and your build aborts, then you have some mounts to the directories. when you want to cleanup the src.blabla dirs your build env is damaged 16:12 < daja77> yes I think parts of the build system are not that clever :( 16:13 < praenti> ok. i must go now. i hope i dont have to setup the build completly new. 16:13 < praenti> cu 16:13 -!- praenti [~praenti@p50802FA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 16:16 < daja77> hi tfing 16:28 < esden> one shoud use scripts/Cleanup ... just because of that ... 16:28 < daja77> esden: you are too late praenti has quit already 16:30 < ^wolf^> tons of errors: ./scripts/Download: line 430: curl: command not found 16:30 < daja77> ^wolf^: you are required to have curl installed 16:32 < ^wolf^> ok 17:03 < esden> i know ... 17:03 < esden> I only wanted to state that .. 17:04 < daja77> *g* 17:58 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@frn3-d9b957b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:15 < ^wolf^> how many MBs does rock dRock -required download? 405 MB are already done 18:29 < ringo78_> ^wolf^: I downloaded 1.7 uses about 1.1 gig. 18:30 < ringo78_> But I downloaded -all. 18:31 < esden> ^wolf^: you can list what is missing for download with scripts/Download -list-missing ... it shows what packages are mising for -all download 18:34 < ^wolf^> 4 now i'd be glad to have -required downloads finished to be able to go on :) 18:39 < esden> ^wolf^: what do you whish to compile ? ... I mean which target ? 18:41 < ^wolf^> dROCK 18:43 < esden> aha 18:43 < kasc> moin 18:43 < esden> hi kasc 18:44 < ^wolf^> moin kasc 18:45 < kasc> ^wolf^: why not generic? 18:45 < ^wolf^> dunno 18:51 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p50813376.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:51 < tcr> moin all 18:54 < kasc> moin tcr 19:10 < ^wolf^> i would prefer to use kde30 instead of kde31 but i don't see 30 in rock 1.7 anymore 19:11 < ^wolf^> any way to make it download and use kde30 instead? 19:12 < tcr> ROCK doesn't support several versions of the same programm simultanously. Maybe this will get implemented at any time, but not in close feature 19:12 < esden> 1.7 is a development branch ... so it uses also development packages ... (so by the way : kde is always development (dies like windows ;-) ) 19:12 < ^wolf^> but i prefer kde 3.0 nevertheless 19:13 < ^wolf^> at least it dies with less icons 19:13 < tcr> ^wolf^: Either you edit the appropriate .desc's file by your hand 19:13 < tcr> ^wolf^: or, as there's a CVS server, you look what cvs version is the one you want 19:13 < ^wolf^> cvs sounds more handy to me 19:14 < tcr> But afaik there's no online viewer for it, since it's clifford private CVS... 19:14 < ^wolf^> oh 19:14 < tcr> Though that was once in discussion and he might have set one up 19:16 < tcr> Hmm I think it wouldn't harm to bug that on ML... 19:16 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-3-166.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 19:17 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit ("leaving") 19:17 < ^wolf^> i am not at all familiar with cvs syntax :( 19:19 < ^wolf^> could i download e.g. https://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.7-200302011024.tar.bz2 and check the packages file to see if it still has what i want? 19:20 < tcr> Hmm, yea 19:20 < ^wolf^> do i need to run Config to create packages or is it there from the start? 19:21 < kasc> running Config would be somewhat safer ;) 19:21 < ^wolf^> to create the packages file that is 19:21 < ^wolf^> ok 19:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bluefire 19:21 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, fake 19:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: daja77, fake 19:22 < tcr> ^wolf^: But it'd be really good if you could write an email to the mailinglist that you'd wish the possiblity of more version of the same packages; and explain your case... It's because clifford actually doesn't really want several versions, but some of the others (including me ;)) want it.. 19:22 < ^wolf^> can non-subscribers post to the list? 19:22 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, fake 19:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: daja77, fake 19:23 < ^wolf^> can i symlink my current downloads/ folder to prevent double downloads? 19:23 < ^wolf^> i d/l'ed 500 MB already 19:24 < tcr> ^wolf^: 19:24 < tcr> ups 19:25 < tcr> ^wolf^: Copy the packages/kde directory (or how it's called from the snapshot into your "main" directoy with the rocklinux sources 19:25 < tcr> Then simply continue within the old sources... you might have to run scripts/Puzzle or some other script, dunno really 19:37 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-3-166.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:38 < ^wolf^> all the older ones like https://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.7-200212240430.tar.bz2 extract kde31 19:38 < ^wolf^> surprisingly 19:39 < ^wolf^> ah no, they have both 19:39 < ^wolf^> didnt scroll back far enuf :) 19:53 -!- wosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 < rxr> re 19:54 < tcr> ^wolf^: still any question? If yes ask rxr, he's the guy for everything X related 19:54 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has joined #rocklinux 19:55 < holyolli> moin 19:56 < rxr> hi holyolli 19:56 < esden> hi holyolli 19:56 < rxr> hi esden 19:56 * rxr away ... 19:56 < holyolli> hi rxr 19:56 < holyolli> huhu esden 19:57 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-3-166.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:58 < ^wolf^> can non-subscribers post to the ML? (i dont feel like subscribing another ML) 20:00 < esden> I think they can ... 20:00 < esden> try 20:00 < tcr> ^wolf^: yes... 20:00 < ^wolf^> ok 20:00 < blindcoder> hi all 20:01 < ^wolf^> i am installing rock-src-1.7-200302011024 now, it still has kde-30 20:02 < esden> that is terribly old 20:02 < ^wolf^> not for a debian user 20:02 < ^wolf^> :) 20:02 < esden> terrible ... I would not do it in your place ... 20:02 < esden> simply use something better then kde 20:02 < esden> like fluxbox ... or windowmaker 20:02 < ^wolf^> kmail is my favorite email client which i use in XFce 20:03 < esden> yuk ... mutt is all you need and even more 20:03 < wosch> The last drock 2.0.0 alpha looks promising 20:03 < ^wolf^> okay lets start a mail client war 20:03 < esden> hehe ;-) 20:03 < ^wolf^> i win. 20:03 < ^wolf^> done. 20:03 < wosch> here I anyone say outlook? *giggle* 20:03 * -> esden shakes his head 20:04 < esden> wosch: ^wolf^ said already ... kmail is very close to outlook 20:04 < esden> ;-) 20:04 < wosch> oh, didn't see that 20:04 < daja77> re 20:04 < esden> re daja77 20:05 < wosch> I use mozilla for mail, but only coz I got used to it and am too lazy to try something else 20:05 < ^wolf^> mozilla mail doesnt support expiring old messages automatically 20:05 < esden> wosch: it is acceptable ... 20:05 < ^wolf^> which can be rather handy if you have tons of folders 20:05 < ^wolf^> for tons of mailing lists 20:05 < wosch> moz still has some bugs with imap 20:06 < esden> which mail client has not ... 20:06 < ^wolf^> can i unselect gcc2 in pkgsel? 20:06 < esden> mutt is very close to being fully usable with imap 20:06 < ^wolf^> so that only 3* will be used? 20:07 * -> esden does not need imap 20:07 < daja77> esden: I heard the imap setting for mutt is painful and slow 20:07 * -> esden gots his mails deliverd directly to his server and reads them there ;-) 20:07 < daja77> you are the lucky one 20:07 < esden> ssh is your friend ... 20:07 < esden> daja77: yes you can say that ... 20:08 < esden> daja77: yes ... it is somewhat painfull ... but I sometimes have to use the client in my uni ... and it is mutt and uses imap ... it works perfectly 20:08 < wosch> I got my mail at hostsharing. I hope I can convince them to support ETRN some day, that would be great 20:09 < tcr> daja77: I'm currently having a discussion about the starts step of magmav2. Though it's near to end now ;) 20:09 < daja77> I'd like to use mutt, but don't have a server of my own 20:09 < tcr> daja77: Are you primarely interested in helpin`? 20:09 < daja77> tcr: depends, how and where? 20:09 < tcr> daja77: #freebits ... 20:10 < esden> magmav2 ? 20:10 < daja77> on this network? :) 20:10 < tcr> ye 20:10 < tcr> esden: https://freebits.de/magma/MagmaV2/MagmaV2_thoughts_and_ideas.txt 20:10 < capchaos> btw, anyone using mutt with some kind of forwarding to gmx ? 20:10 < ^wolf^> tcr: i send the "several cvs versions" request to rock-linux@rocklinux.org ? 20:11 < tcr> ^wolf^: several cvs versions? 20:11 < tcr> ^wolf^: you rather mean several package version at once 20:11 < ^wolf^> oh, i thought of being able to select cvs versions, but several package versions is what i finally want, yes 20:13 < ^wolf^> but the email-address is the right one? 20:13 < tcr> ^wolf^: Well, what's lacking is the online viewer of cvs to actually see what cvs you want. Getting them is possible 20:13 < ^wolf^> or should i use the package list 20:13 < tcr> no, it's right 20:13 < ^wolf^> ok 20:13 < ^wolf^> danke :) 20:14 < esden> hmm .. very interesting 20:14 < esden> tcr: thanks for the url 20:19 < ^wolf^> mail sent 20:24 < wosch> so, we know the best mailer now... 20:24 < wosch> whats the best MTA? 20:24 < wosch> sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail? 20:24 < ^wolf^> postfix (in my view) 20:24 < wosch> anyone dares to name exchange? :) 20:24 * blindcoder taking a shower 20:24 < ^wolf^> i havent tried exim myself tho 20:24 < blindcoder> g'night 20:24 < wosch> wolf: agree! 20:25 < ^wolf^> especially the snapshot version with sender verification 20:26 < wosch> whats this? 20:26 < ^wolf^> i hope that feature goes into the official version soon, so i can convince the people at work that i install it on our gateways 20:26 < wosch> I just installed 2.0.7 last week, to get smtp auth 20:26 < ^wolf^> if blah9999@yahoo.com sends a mail 20:26 < ^wolf^> the postfix snapshot asks the MX for yahoo.com 20:27 < ^wolf^> if it accepts mail for blah9999@yahoo.com at all 20:27 < ^wolf^> and if not, it rejects the mail 20:27 < wosch> nice idea 20:27 < ^wolf^> stops a lot of spam 20:27 < wosch> *nod* 20:28 < ^wolf^> i have been using the snapshot for months now on mail.blinde-kuh.de 20:28 < ^wolf^> without any problems 20:29 < wosch> hmm... however... does that still work if postfix's incoming is fed from a fetchmail run? 20:29 < ^wolf^> yes, why not 20:29 < ^wolf^> fetchmail sends mail via the SMTP port 20:29 < wosch> if postfix rejects a mail, then fetchmail might just leave it hanging around on the pop3 server? 20:29 < ^wolf^> so the smtpd rules work 20:30 < ^wolf^> you must then configure fetchmail to dump it i guess 20:30 < wosch> luckily we don't get much spam yet 20:32 < blindcoder> hm... no shower yet... 20:33 < blindcoder> tcr: so magmav2 should become a console-type arson? 20:33 < tcr> arson? 20:34 < blindcoder> tcr: a KDE-Wrapper for: cdparanoia, mpg123, ogg123, cdrecord, cdrdao etc. 20:34 < blindcoder> tcr: with freedb support et al 20:34 < blindcoder> tcr: burning/ripping CDDA, writing Data-CDs all nicely wrapped up in a KDE-GUI 20:35 < tcr> blindcoder: Hmm. it's actually "just" an extendend magmav1 version rewritten in C and that's way with much more features and user friendlyness 20:35 * wosch rolls on the floow laughing. 20:35 < blindcoder> tcr: actually, I haven't ever heard heard of magmav1, just read that mail you linked :) 20:35 < tcr> https://freebits.de/magma/about.html 20:36 < wosch> /etc/postfix/main.cf: smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP MS Exchange 0.01alpha pre-test 20:36 * rxr backscrolled 20:36 < rxr> the last snapshot is pretty old - use an CVS checkout ... ,-) 20:36 < tcr> blindcoder: But yes it's actually exactly that I aim 20:37 < tcr> what 20:37 < blindcoder> tcr: sweet :) 20:37 < blindcoder> esden: ping 20:39 < blindcoder> hehe, somehow I like perl... 20:39 < blindcoder> bless $user; # :) 20:39 < blindcoder> aah... the shower i-s free... bbl 20:46 < wosch> how hard is it to install a java jre into rock for mozilla to use? 20:47 < daja77> wosch: should be easy 20:47 < wosch> i never succeeded on a suse, but let's go for a fresh try. I wanna get rid of suse, anyway... 20:48 < daja77> wosch: good decision, for java just grab a tarball and follow the install instructions 20:48 < daja77> did that on SuSE and RedHat 20:52 < wosch> daja77: You mean that tarball directly from java.sun.com j2re_1.4.1_linux-something.bin ? 20:52 < daja77> I mean that from www.blackdown.org 20:53 < wosch> oops... ok, i check 20:54 < blindcoder> aaah 20:54 < blindcoder> better :) 20:55 < wosch> maybe that's why i always failed to install java... 20:56 < tcr> ^wolf^: I havent received any mail from you so far... 20:57 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has quit ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 20:58 < ^wolf^> From: Minimalist Manager <minimalist@rocklinux.org> 20:58 < ^wolf^> To: wolfgang <spamfiltered@gmx.net> 20:58 < ^wolf^> ERROR: 20:58 < ^wolf^> You (spamfiltered@gmx.net) are not subscribed to this list. 20:58 < daja77> ^wolf^: subscribing is easy, just do it 20:58 < tcr> Hmm :-/ 20:59 < ^wolf^> daja77: i dont want to be on the list 20:59 < daja77> ^wolf^: can't help it 21:06 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p50801A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:09 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FD7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:11 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 21:33 < wosch> rxr: konsole has a problem with pty's on your last alpha 21:45 * blindcoder going to bed 21:46 < tcr> gn8 bl 21:46 < tcr> gn8 blindcoder 21:51 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has joined #rocklinux 21:51 < holyolli> re 21:51 < daja77> hi holyolli 21:51 < holyolli> hi daja77 21:52 < daja77> holyolli: what's up? 21:52 < holyolli> daja: not that much...irc'in and havin' a bud... ;-) 21:53 < daja77> that means fun :) 21:53 < holyolli> daja: no, it's okay..yesterday was a big oarty, so i have to recover a little bit ;-) 21:54 < holyolli> s/oarty/party 21:54 < daja77> oh what did you celebrate? 21:54 < holyolli> the other class here at the campus had their last check and they may now travel home 21:55 < holyolli> and they had beer and other drinks for free =) 21:55 < daja77> holyolli: where are you from? 21:55 < daja77> :) 21:55 < holyolli> i'm from germany 21:55 < daja77> me too :) 21:55 < holyolli> but at the moment i live in the u.s. :-/ 21:56 < daja77> where? 21:56 < holyolli> phoenix/arizona 21:56 < daja77> have you also switched to dst? 21:56 < holyolli> dst? 21:57 < daja77> daylight saving time 21:57 < holyolli> ah 21:57 < holyolli> nope 21:57 < daja77> good 21:57 < holyolli> so we're 9hours behind germany 21:58 < daja77> whow that's more than Mike1 is behind :) 21:58 < holyolli> jepp 21:59 < daja77> happy afternoon :) 21:59 < holyolli> *g* 21:59 < holyolli> thx 21:59 < holyolli> .oo(just the right time to get on the pool 21:59 < holyolli> ) 21:59 < holyolli> ;-) 21:59 < daja77> ok have fun, cu 22:00 < holyolli> the nice thing is that i installed wavelan and so you can sit outside on the pool and surf'in the web ;-) 22:00 < daja77> we have wlan at university but no pool :( 22:01 < wosch> nite 22:01 -!- wosch [~wosch@p508173FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit () 22:12 < rxr> re 22:13 < holyolli> re rxr 22:19 < rxr> hi holyolli 22:24 < tcr> rxr: did you CCd to wolfang? 22:25 < rxr> errrrrrrrrr oops ;-) 22:28 < rxr> resend to him in To: only ... ;-) 22:33 < rxr> holyolli: how are your alpha buils doing ? 22:34 < holyolli> rxr: at the moment not that much, because i'm round about 5000miles away from my alpha :( 22:34 < ^wolf^> so the reply is "you're lost if you are looking for kde 3.0*, use the latest or die" 22:34 < holyolli> so rebooting really sucks ;) 22:34 < holyolli> rxr: i'm thinking of movin over to 1.7 - because 1.6 don't look that good.. ;) 22:35 < rxr> ^wolf^: why do you need kde-3.0.0 ??? 22:35 < ^wolf^> because i dislike 3.1 22:36 < ^wolf^> its icons stink ;) 22:36 < rxr> holyolli: that would be nice. Maybe you read that we plan a stable 2.0 release in April/May. Would be nice to have some Alpha ISOs then ... ;-) 22:36 < tcr> ^wolf^: no, you still can use CVS to get the packages versions you need. 22:36 < rxr> ^wolf^: you only dislike 3.1 because of it's icons??? 22:36 < ^wolf^> rxr: kmail has changed in some details 22:36 < rxr> IIRC all the 3.0 Icons are still present 22:36 < tcr> rxr: Why hasnt clifford set up an online viewer for his cvs server yet? 22:36 < ^wolf^> and i want to keep the 3.0.5 version 22:36 < rxr> or install an icon theme you like ... 22:37 < ^wolf^> its not just the icon themes 22:37 < rxr> tcr: don't now - nobody requested one so far ... ;-) 22:37 < ^wolf^> i had 3.1 in debian and removed it again 22:37 < holyolli> rxr: do you know how far esden is with his alpha work? 22:38 < tcr> rxr: Erm. Quite a lot people requested it (might have been in your "inactive" phase) 22:38 < rxr> kde-3.1 finaly moved me to this platform ... (before that I used blackbox/waimea/windowmaker with the KDE applications ... 22:38 < rxr> = 22:38 < rxr> holyolli: no sorry - I have not heared much about alpha 22:38 < ^wolf^> i use XFce with some kde applications 22:39 < rxr> tcr: hm I only had a IRC inactive phase - patch-sending-wise I was active the whole winter ... ;-) 22:39 < tcr> rxr: With an online viewer ^wolf^'s problem would be quite easily solvable: He just has to take a look what cvs tag version the packages/kde directory was the update, and just checkouts one version before 22:39 < ^wolf^> tcr: good point 22:40 < tcr> I know there was a discussion about the online viewer, and at least three people clearly spoke for it... Clifford seems to have overseen that 22:40 < rxr> tcr: since KDE compiles that flawlessly - he could simple "sed" the version number from 3.1.1 to 3.0.5 ... 22:40 < tcr> unfortuntely the search engine of the mailinglist sucks plain ass, otherwise I could proof that by fact ;) 22:41 < rxr> tcr: /me too ... - I also missed a online-browseable view of the files at work, too 22:41 < tcr> rxr: No! Think just about eventual patches etc 22:41 < rxr> the last snapshot browsing is indeed too old ... 22:41 < rxr> tcr: there were non ;-) 22:41 < rxr> kde compiles out of the box. 22:41 < holyolli> rxr: btw. have you tested drock already on a laptop? 22:43 < tcr> rxr: I don't talk about that specific problem... It'd be just good to _have_ the possiblity. I mean even when rocklinux won't ever contain several packages versions at once, anyone can still do that via CVS quite easiely 22:43 < rxr> erhm the 2.0.0-alpha? 22:43 < rxr> tcr: sure. 22:44 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 22:44 < A-Tui> hi guys 22:45 < rxr> the last erhm was for holyolli ... 22:45 < tcr> hi atui 22:45 < A-Tui> hi tcr 22:45 < holyolli> ah 22:45 < holyolli> rxr: for example... 22:46 < rxr> what are you interested in? 22:46 < daja77> hi A-Tui 22:46 < A-Tui> hola daja77 22:46 < rxr> I normally run them on my low-cost Gericom laptop ... 22:46 < holyolli> rxr: just to install it on my vaio... 22:46 < rxr> hm the very slim-line one ? 22:46 < daja77> A-Tui: btw, what does hola mean? 22:46 < rxr> that needs special CD hacks or so ? 22:47 < A-Tui> hello :) 22:47 < holyolli> rxr: jepp, a r505-ecp 22:47 < A-Tui> and btw? 22:47 < holyolli> rxr: the cdrom is firewire. wavelan with pcmcia and intel onboard chipset 22:47 < rxr> hm - since I do not have such hardware ... ... 22:47 < holyolli> rxr: does the kernel have ntfs included? 22:47 < daja77> A-Tui: by the way 22:47 < A-Tui> ok 22:47 < rxr> holyolli: no ntfs should I add read-only support? 22:48 < rxr> (I just disabled firewire - I should turn it on again ;-)? 22:48 < holyolli> rxr: well, due to the fact, that most of the laptops have windows xp, etc. preinstalled, you can just copy the cd on the ntfs-partition and install the system from there 22:48 < rxr> good point 22:49 < holyolli> rxr: i think those vaios need some more kernel-patches. it would help much 22:49 < rxr> holyolli: is this a very new vaio ? 22:49 < holyolli> i actually built a kernel with some patches, but firewire isn't still working 22:49 * rxr is currently searching for a new laptop ;-) 22:49 < holyolli> rxr: not _that_ new, but also not very old 22:50 < daja77> holyolli: the firewall stuff is still experimental 22:50 < rxr> holyolli: URL ? ;-) (with feature list and price?) 22:50 < holyolli> rxr: mompl 22:51 < rxr> btw are you in germany in the next weeks/months? 22:51 < daja77> rxr: what about a powerbook? 22:51 < holyolli> rxr: i come back at the end of july... :( 22:51 < holyolli> .oO(4 more months...arrg) 22:51 < rxr> daja77: too expensive - otherwise it would be already on my desk ;-) 22:52 < holyolli> rxr: for quick specs, just look on ebay.com and search for 'sony vaio r505' 22:52 < rxr> holyolli: Hm. I asked because the low-speed models of IBM thinkpads are only available in the US ... 22:52 < holyolli> ah.. 22:52 < daja77> rxr: but I wouldn't like to buy a gericom again 22:53 < rxr> daja77: jupa /me too. But at this time I had not more money to spent ... 22:53 < daja77> my sister bought a vobis labeled laptop with athlon 1600 in it 22:54 < rxr> daja77: my current favourite are iBook or IBM thinkpad 22:54 -!- tfing [~tfing@ASt-Lambert-101-1-1-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 22:54 < daja77> hmm watch out that that thinkpad works properly under linux 22:54 < tfing> plop 22:55 < rxr> daja77: I do not need high-speed. I need low-weight and long up time on akku ... 22:55 < holyolli> rxr: actually i can't find the url.its a model which is not available in europe 22:55 < holyolli> rxr: but it's nice, 3.5h on battery and really nice to work with 22:55 < daja77> me too, but I could my first rock build on it :) 22:56 < holyolli> rxr: you can read this: https://www.jaj.com/space/gunderwood/Laptop.html 22:56 < holyolli> rxr: it's about installing linux on those vaios 22:56 < rxr> urgs - quite long 22:56 < holyolli> rxr: jepp, but with very much information and specs and patches ;) 22:57 < daja77> rxr: maybe you want to have a look at https://www.xtops.de 22:58 < tcr> daja77: I still can't see what's so good on a thinkpad. It's almost as expensive as a powerbook but isn't far less feature rich 22:58 < rxr> Sony Vaio R505 Laptop w/Docking Bay 22:58 < rxr> $7.50 22:58 < rxr> $3.75 22:58 < rxr> hm. 22:59 < tcr> but it IS far less feature rich 22:59 < rxr> They will go up in the next 6 hours, won't they ? 22:59 < daja77> tcr: I'm not into thinkpads so much 22:59 < tcr> daja77: just look at the specs at xtops 23:00 < rxr> tcr: the low-speed Rxx thinkpads are much cheaper than a power book ... 23:00 < daja77> I've seen it, the point is only that you can get preinstalled linux laptops there 23:00 < daja77> but the page is quite outdated 23:00 < rxr> daja77: preinstalled? urgs 23:00 < rxr> I do not want any OS on the thing ... :-( 23:00 < rxr> The latest dRock build will end up on it anyway ... 23:00 < daja77> rxr: you don't have to 23:02 < daja77> better look at heuser's non commercial page https://www.tuxmobil.de/mylaptops_de.html 23:02 < tcr> well but the 12" powerbooks are quite "cheap" (for apple) 23:03 < rxr> daja77: thanks - but I really do not need help on installing Linux on a laptop ... ;-) 23:04 < rxr> tcr: the 12" bowerbook also doesn't include PCMCIA ... 23:04 < daja77> I know, but it is a list of laptop with the user's experience 23:04 < rxr> shit 23:04 < rxr> https://www.apple.com/powerbook/index17.html# 23:04 < rxr> reveals a new font problem in our XFree KDE combination ... :-( 23:05 < rxr> daja77: you are a powerpc fan ? 23:05 < tcr> rxr: Well, many things are builtin, and for everything else there's still USB... 23:05 < daja77> rxr: huh? tcr is trying to convince you 23:06 < tcr> I'm simple myself about buying a 12" ;) 23:06 < tcr> simply 23:06 < rxr> ah ;-) I also have powerpc on my preferred CPU list ;-) 23:06 < daja77> rxr: nvidia hardware shouldn't be the problem 23:06 < rxr> if those iBook would have PCMCIA .... 23:07 < rxr> daja77: urghs - no stay away with nvidia. I'll not put binary only modules into my systems ram ... 23:07 * daja77 gets an old iMac just for fun 23:07 < rxr> tcr: hm the 12" thing starts at $1,799.00 ? 23:08 < daja77> rxr: the cards work fine, and it's the only choice on linux for real 3d acceleration 23:08 < rxr> hm - and includes nvidia crap ... :-( 23:08 < rxr> daja77: no ati is the choise ... 23:08 < daja77> binary ati drivers, yeah that really improves everything 23:08 < rxr> aside from my MGA 450 just working great 23:09 < rxr> daja77: no the Radeon 7xxx work with the oper-source GPL code ... 23:09 < tcr> rxr: Yeah, though I'd buy the superdrive for 1999$ 23:09 < daja77> but without 3D acceleration 23:09 < rxr> (sad that Matrox is not releaseing specs for the parhelia ... 23:10 < daja77> if you just need 2d the nv driver should work 23:10 < tcr> Though powerbooks are said to be a pile of frustrations for linux installations. But I only know that from hairsaying ;) 23:10 < daja77> tcr: they are 23:10 < rxr> hm calculating the trip-costs for a ROCK devel meeting in Vienna and the linuxtag in karlsruhe I might not have that much money to spend for an laptop ... 23:11 < rxr> daja77: when I buy a recent GPU I want OpenGL running ... not just a 2D only solution ... 23:11 < daja77> rxr: I feel with you, cannot afford a new laptop myself 23:11 < rxr> and yes the GPL dirver for Radeon does OpenGL utilizing the hardware. 23:12 < daja77> than you have other information than me 23:13 < tcr> They can 23:13 < rxr> I have those running ... 23:13 < rxr> https://dri.sourceforge.net/ 23:13 < rxr> -> Status link 23:13 < rxr> Mach64 (Rage Pro) 23:13 < rxr> Rage 128 (Standard, Pro, Mobility) 23:13 < daja77> ok that sounds good, unfortunately those drivers weren't ready when I bought my last card 23:13 < rxr> Radeons up to R9200 are supported 23:13 < daja77> sounds good 23:15 < daja77> I do consider buying ATI then :) 23:15 < tcr> Heh... ({ }) expressions (gcc C extension) rule 23:15 < rxr> tcr: hm? what does those braces do ? 23:16 < tcr> int bar = ({ int i; for (i=0; i<BLAH; i++) do something: i; }) 23:17 < tcr> something; 23:17 < rxr> hm interesting 23:17 < tcr> exactly what I needed in my case ;) 23:17 < tcr> And the kernel makes also heavy use of this feature 23:41 < holyolli> o.k. /me has to learn a little bit...cya 23:41 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 23:45 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@frn3-d9b957b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ("Da steh ich nun, ich armer Tor, und bin so klug als wie zuvor.") 23:49 < owl> hi 23:49 < ^wolf^> that build had a bad start, the kernel source didnt work, downloading a fresh copy from kernel.org seems to have fixed that 23:51 < tcr> Hmm, do you build from that snapshot, or did you copy the kde related files to a more recent version? 23:51 < ^wolf^> i build from that snapshot 23:51 < tcr> Hmm... 23:52 < tcr> I don't recommend that though. 23:52 < ^wolf^> would i just have to copy all files from the kde-30 folder ? 23:53 < tcr> Yeah.. and maybe also tinker some things... rxr? 23:54 < ^wolf^> looks like i need to subscribe to the ML huh ;) 23:55 < rxr> ^wolf^: which files do you want to copy to which location ? 23:55 < tcr> He simply wants to use the old kde 3.0 files of that snapshot 23:56 < ^wolf^> i would like to use the kde-30 files in a current 1.7 installation 23:56 < tcr> Basically he has to move that directory to the directory of more recent sources 23:56 < tcr> and symlink from kde-3.1 to kde-3.0? And run scripts/Puzzle? 23:56 < rxr> scripts/Puzzle ? err this isn't in 1.7 ... 23:57 < tcr> Hmm? Latest I checked it was... huhm 23:57 < ^wolf^> ;) 23:57 < rxr> the scripts exists 23:57 < rxr> but only performs some text editing (LSM and so) 23:57 < rxr> nothing package related. ... 23:58 < tcr> Oh, ok. 23:58 < rxr> tcr: simply copy the kde-30 folder into packages 23:58 < tcr> say that to wolf 8) 23:59 < rxr> when you do not need kde related packages (like mosfet-liquid or so) exclude the new 31 packages in the ROCK Linux configuration 23:59 < ^wolf^> ok 23:59 < rxr> tcr: yes .... /me busy coding s.th. ... 23:59 < rxr> but koffice and kdevelop will not build this way 23:59 < daja77> I'm off now gn8 23:59 < rxr> you need to adapte the inclusion of the kde config script in those .desc files --- Log closed Mon Mar 31 00:00:04 2003