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--- Log opened Wed Apr 02 00:00:45 2003
--- Day changed Wed Apr 02 2003
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00:11 < dreamind> Hi
00:15 < huebi> moin dreamind !
00:17 < dreamind> Moin huebi
00:17 < dreamind> auch mal da *grins*
00:18 < huebi> jo, aber gleich ins Bett (habe ich jedenfalls vor.)
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00:22 < dreamind> huh, club-mate :)
00:39 < dreamind> n8
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01:08 < esden> good evening
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01:26 < dancl> Is there a source for iso's < i686?
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07:16 < blindcoder> moin
09:25 < owl> morgaehn
09:25 < blindcoder> moin owl
09:26 < owl> hi blindcoder
09:27 < blindcoder> how's life?
09:27 < owl> hm. it's going on. and your life?
09:27 < kasc_> moin
09:28 < owl> hi kasc_
09:29 < blindcoder> well... I'ts alive and kicking (my ass)
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09:36 < tsa> moin
09:39 < owl> hi tsa
09:40 < tsa> moin owl
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12:39 < tsa> anyone familiar with gtk (1) programming?
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12:58 < daja77> moin
13:01 < owl> hi daja77
13:04 * blindcoder back
13:04 < blindcoder> *argh*
13:04 < blindcoder> that was something now >_<
13:06 < daja77> hi owl, blindcoder
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13:13 < blindcoder> I hate tomcat now more than ever...
13:16 < daja77> blindcoder: what about your migration to postgres?
13:19 < blindcoder> daja77: stopped dead >_<
13:19 < daja77> :)
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13:34 < owl> wb suicidial guy
13:34 < daja77> blindcoder: was it tomcat's revenge? scnr
13:35 < blindcoder> no, that was Deutsche Telekom 24h disconnect
13:35 < daja77> muhahahahaha
13:35 < blindcoder> and 2 second blindcoder reconnect :D
13:36 < daja77> :)
13:36 * daja77 rejected T-Online
13:37 < blindcoder> well, there wasn't much choice 3 years ago when I got DSL
13:37 < daja77> i c
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13:38 < daja77> but the arcor guys are dumb as well
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14:03 < daja77> cool, https://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/31/2314239
14:03 < daja77> except for that dumb vb .NET ad
14:04 < blindcoder> what ad? :D
14:05 < blindcoder> do they finally support Framubuffer?
14:06 < daja77> well I see the ad, maybe you don't
14:06 < daja77> there is framebuffer support in the kernel
14:07 < blindcoder> daajyes, but Riva Framebuffer + nvidia-module driven XFre == crash
14:09 < blindcoder> no, it's still borken >_<
14:09 < daja77> haven't tried it myself, but it works on knoppix
14:09 < blindcoder> Knoppix is using nv, not nvidia
14:09 < blindcoder> or vesa instead of rivafb
14:09 < daja77> ah yes, forgot that
14:09 < blindcoder> but nvidia+rivafb+vt switching == bad idea
14:10 < daja77> damn
14:12 * daja77 is happy not to have a nforce chipset
14:12 * blindcoder is happy with... aslong as he doesn't switch to console accidentallly
14:12 < daja77> oh you have nforce chipset
14:13 < blindcoder> yeah
14:14 < daja77> I didn't like the idea of having nvidia binary only driver for running the chipset
14:14 < blindcoder> I don't really care
14:15 < daja77> huh, why not the chipset driver are an essential part of the system stability
14:16 < blindcoder> my system is stable... as long as I don't switch vt's :)
14:16 < daja77> :)
14:17 < daja77> mine si finally stable since I got a new motherboard :)
14:17 < daja77> is even
14:20 < blindcoder> well, I exchanged the defunct 300Watt PSU with a new 230 Watt one... works like a charm ever since
14:21 < daja77> 230 Watt?
14:21 < blindcoder> yes
14:21 < daja77> I only 250, 300 and 250 Watt units
14:21 < daja77> only know, damn it
14:22 < blindcoder> hmm.. it has printed 230 Watt Output on it... I may be wrong though, could be a 250 one
14:24 < daja77> do not confuse it with 230V
14:25 < blindcoder> yes, I just thought of that, too :)
14:25 < daja77> :)
14:28 * daja77 looks at the weather
14:28 < blindcoder> well, it's finally dry here
14:29 < daja77> the end of the world is nigh
14:29 < blindcoder> dammit... and I didn't chage my underware...
14:29 < daja77> it is raining cats and dogs here
14:29 < blindcoder> hehe, I already have that stage behind me :)
14:30 < daja77> a big black cloud is hanging over here, we are doomed
14:31 < daja77> damn it, we already got flooded
14:33 < blindcoder> ***Quits daja77 (Excess Flood)
14:33 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506D8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:34 < daja77> blindcoder: you are evil
14:34 < blindcoder> daja77: thanks :)
14:34 < daja77> hehe
14:34 * blindcoder sets flag +e blindcoder
14:34 < blindcoder> moin Lorini
14:35 < Lorini> hi blindy
14:35 < daja77> hi Lorini
14:35 < Lorini> hi daja77
14:36 * blindcoder sleepy >_<
14:37 < daja77> blindcoder: me too :)
14:37 * Lorini slept until 2 pm
14:37 < blindcoder> but I have to be at work for two and a half more hours
14:37 < daja77> wow, why?
14:37 < blindcoder> Lorini: lazy student :P
14:37 < Lorini> hihi
14:38 < daja77> Lorini: /me has vacations
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14:38 * Lorini has semesterferien
14:38 * blindcoder doesn't have to work next week :)
14:39 < daja77> blindcoder: why?
14:40 < blindcoder> daja77: Mittelbayrische Ausstellung... Urlaub ;)
14:40 < Lorini> lol
14:40 < daja77> lol
14:40 * Lorini misses bayern 
14:40 < blindcoder> Lorini: come around :)
14:40 < Lorini> maybe ill do so :)
14:41 < daja77> what things are exposed there, I hope not you blindcoder
14:41 < blindcoder> daja77: no, I just stand there and tell people why bingo e.V. is good for them ;)
14:42 < daja77> and why is it?
14:44 < blindcoder> because bingo hosts my server and needs money so I don't have to pay for the server myself :D
14:44 < daja77> *rofl*
14:45 * daja77 imagines the grannys playing bingo to finance blindcoder's server
14:48 < daja77> Lorini: why do you miss bavaria?
14:49 < Lorini> daja77: i miss my friends.. in fact, i guess i miss my past
14:52 < daja77> your past?
14:53 < Lorini> yep
14:53 < daja77> btw, where are you now?
14:53 < Lorini> bielefeld
14:54 < Lorini> far, far away.. :)
14:54 < daja77> you are doomed :)
14:54 < daja77> bielefeld does not exists, remember
14:54 < Lorini> lol
14:54 < Lorini> i know
14:56 < blindcoder> daja77: no, not bingo the game. binge the Buergernetz Ingolstadt
14:58 < snyke> bingo rolez
14:58 < snyke> u
14:58 * blindcoder drinks a cup of spelling
15:00 < daja77> blindcoder: I know, just kidding
15:00 < owl> hi snyke
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15:00 < daja77> hi snyke (eros)
15:00 < snyke> hi al :)
15:01 < daja77> blindcoder: btw, we have here a piece of IN e.V. too :)
15:01 < Lorini> hi snyke
15:01 < blindcoder> daja77: ?
15:03 < daja77> blindcoder: Individual Network e.V. I thought bingo was a part of it
15:03 < blindcoder> daja77: never heard of it
15:03 < blindcoder> https://bash.org/?11587 <--- *LOOOL*
15:05 < daja77> blindcoder: just confused the IN on your page with it
15:06 < blindcoder> hmm... okay...
15:08 < daja77> IN e.V. was something like bingo but for germany in general, they broke down some years ago, but some sub units are still working
15:08 < daja77> https://www.in-chemnitz.de :)
15:18 < daja77> ah the blue sky is back and I'm still alive
15:19 < blindcoder> still grey here
15:19 < daja77> to be honest it is only a blue hole :)
15:19 * daja77 is goin to buy a MD citymap
15:20 < daja77> cu
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15:37 < owl> hi capchaos :)
15:37 < capchaos> hi owly
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15:39 < blindcoder> hi cappy
15:39 < blindcoder> hi Parabull
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15:41 < Lorini> hi capchaos
15:41 * daja77 happily returns :)
15:42 < blindcoder> daja77: still alive? :)
15:43 < daja77> yeah, and I was out during the five minute sunshine time window :)
15:45 < daja77> now I'm having that map, weekend may come ;)
15:45 < blindcoder> weekend? none in sight >_<
15:46 < owl> gnaaaaaa
15:46 < daja77> owl: ??
15:47 < owl> nothing... i'm just complaining.
15:47 < daja77> hehe, do so
15:47 < owl> yeah. sure
15:48 < daja77> make a online diary with all your rants :)
15:48 < blindcoder> owl is just whining around
15:49 < daja77> yeah and it is funny
15:49 < owl> blindcoder: *ARGH* especially _YOU_ say that someone is whinging around!!!
15:49 < blindcoder> owl: yes, of course :)
15:49 < owl> note to self: blindcoder wants to be killed. *add to TODO*
15:50 < daja77> owl: don't note it, act
15:50 < blindcoder> owl: send me a description how to get to you, I'll come round to get killed :)
15:50 < owl> ok...
15:51 < owl> someone knows if huebi is alive?
15:51 < blindcoder> yes, but his round-trip is bad :)
15:52 < owl> round-trip?
15:52 < blindcoder> ping-time :)
15:52 < owl> ah so...
15:52 < owl> but. someone saw him, during the last days?
15:52 < owl> (really saw... means: seeing him talking in the channel)
15:53 < blindcoder> no, don't think so
15:53 < rolla> re
15:53 < daja77> he was on irc during the last day
15:53 < owl> ah. k. thx. when?
15:53 * daja77 has talked with him
15:53 -!- BOFH_org [~root@191-198.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:53 < daja77> re rolla
15:53 < BOFH_org> Hello World\n;
15:54 < blindcoder> hi again BO
15:54 < blindcoder> hi again BOFH_org
15:54 < owl> hi blindcoder
15:54 < owl> aeh. BOFH_org
15:54 < owl> i meant
15:54 < blindcoder> owl: ?? :D
15:54 < BOFH_org> AARGH
15:54 < BOFH_org> another monk bites the dust.
15:55 < BOFH_org> stupid brown puddings.
15:55 < owl> wtf?
15:55 < daja77> owl: yesterday, [21:58] < huebi> Moin
15:55 < blindcoder> BOFH_org: hehe, the bane of nethack :D
15:55 < owl> daja77: k. thx.
15:55 < BOFH_org> first they eat by robe and gloves, and then they apparently the taste for it, and they start eating me too !
15:55 < BOFH_org> bugger them all !
15:56 < BOFH_org> blindcoder: true.
15:56 < BOFH_org> nethack IS THE BEST GAME EVER !!
15:56 < BOFH_org> (remember that)
15:56 < daja77> hi BOFH_org
15:56 < blindcoder> BOFH_org: i KNOW htat... I maintain the nethack package at ROCK :D
15:56 < BOFH_org> ah?
15:56 < BOFH_org> daja77: hey. wassup ?
15:57 < daja77> BOFH_org: I'm fine thx
15:58 < BOFH_org> blindcoder: did you check out Entro-P's splendid Noegnud variant of nethack ?
15:59 < blindcoder> BOno. I prefer plain console nethack
16:02 < rolla> grrrr
16:02 < BOFH_org> blindcoder: me too, but entro-p's work looks *very* good. but it's a bit huge on resources :)
16:02 < daja77> rolla: ??
16:02 < BOFH_org> 10 years ago I started my very first game of nethack, and never got 1 single character ascended.
16:03 < blindcoder> BOFH_org: I don't care about memory usage.. and I haven't ascended either
16:03 < rolla> daja77: I am still fighting gnome2.2
16:03 < daja77> poor rolla
16:03 < daja77> rolla: garnome does not work?
16:04 < rolla> daja77: not with my old install of rock
16:04 < BOFH_org> gnomes should be killed indefinately.
16:04 < rolla> gnome-terminal gave me the same error
16:04 < rolla> so I reinstalled rock and started over with garnome
16:04 < blindcoder> BOFH_org: yeah. But the Gnome Wizards are more important to kill
16:04 * BOFH_org reads a blessed scroll of genocide
16:05 < rolla> BOFH_org: you use KDE?
16:05 < daja77> hehe
16:05 < BOFH_org> *wiped out all gnomes, gnomish wizards gnomelords, gnomish mummies, gnome2.2*
16:05 < BOFH_org> there
16:05 < daja77> kill -9 BOFH*
16:06 < blindcoder> daja77: that mould be killall :D
16:06 < daja77> blindcoder: used pseudo code
16:06 < BOFH_org> that's not nice.... why not a SIGTERM ?
16:07 < kasc_> re
16:07 < daja77> cos I don't want a rerun
16:07 < daja77> hi kasc_
16:08 < kasc_> daja77: got it to work
16:08 < BOFH_org> hmmm let's see if 2.5.66-bk7 will boot at all
16:08 < BOFH_org> brb
16:08 < kasc_> wanna help me test it?
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16:09 < daja77> wow, I hope I didn't kill him :)
16:09 < daja77> kasc_: do you have a package
16:10 < kasc_> no, its still too much hassle to install it
16:10 < daja77> I can't test it here anyway :(
16:10 < kasc_> pwlib needs to get patched somewhere while building and stuff
16:10 < kasc_> :(
16:11 < kasc_> but i'll work on it as soon as i can finish my Klausuren
16:12 < daja77> kasc_: :) I'll have a test next week :(
16:16 * daja77 is searching for antivirus software *gnargl*
16:16 < esden> hi all
16:16 < owl> hi esden
16:16 < daja77> hi esden *hug*
16:16 < esden> hi owl, daja77 *hug_both*
16:17 * owl waiting for the first error... 
16:17 < esden> that is terrible how stupid some guys at the lugin are !
16:17 < blindcoder> hi esden
16:17 < blindcoder> esden: I take it you just got up
16:17 < blindcoder> esden: ahem... big surprise *cough* *cough*
16:17 < daja77> esden: ??
16:17 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... I will say nothing
16:18 < esden> blindcoder: but imagine :
16:18 * blindcoder tries hard to imagine...
16:18 < blindcoder> ...
16:18 < blindcoder> ...
16:18 < blindcoder> DAMMIT
16:18 < blindcoder> the FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM JUST WENT OFF!!
16:18 * blindcoder is soaking wet now... :)
16:19 < daja77> *rofl*
16:19 < owl> haeh??
16:19 < blindcoder> owl: brain activity... heat... smoke... fire control system...
16:20 < daja77> esden: I think I know why the two logs were not linked
16:20 < esden> guy is asking how he should call read so that it takes one character and do not need a enter at the end, praenti answers -n1 will help, but then the guy writes once more and sends a whole script of 100 lines or so ... and asks why the script is not taking one character, and everywhere in the script -n1 is missing ...
16:20 < esden> I call that damn stupitity
16:20 < owl> *ggg*
16:20 < blindcoder> esden: oh... if it's only that...
16:20 < blindcoder> esden: you know, I'm work at a Hell Desk...
16:21 < esden> but I hate that ... the people should at least try to think ...
16:21 < daja77> esden: it is always like this
16:21 < blindcoder> esden: not so long ago someone called me telling me his File Upload in PHP didn't work
16:21 < esden> I will get a very bad email in some minutes ... why I answer so harsh
16:21 < blindcoder> and then I looked at the script:
16:22 < blindcoder> esden: <? $fd = fopen("C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\...\$filename", "r");
16:22 < daja77> esden: *ggg* I recently started a flame war too, don't worry
16:23 < daja77> blindcoder: *aaaaargh*
16:23 < esden> ROFL!!!
16:23 < blindcoder> daja77: the best thing is: the scripts runs on Solaris on a e10k...
16:23 < blindcoder> AND THE CUSTOMER KNEW THIS!!!!!
16:23 < daja77> *roflmao*
16:24 < esden> hehe e10k with windows data structure ! that would be fun ;-)
16:24 < daja77> esden: nooo
16:24 < blindcoder> ah, nothing like nectarine at work :)
16:24 < esden> A, B, ..., Y, Z, AA, AB, AC ... <- harddisk names of a raid ;-)
16:25 < daja77>  1.Eine Sekretrin hat mal angerufen, weil der Rechner nicht mehr gebootet hat und nur wilde Zeichen zu sehen wren. Auf die Frage, was denn auf dem Monitor steht, kam prompt die Antwort:"Ne Tasse Kaffee."
16:26 < daja77> https://www.sanjoc.com/dau.htm
16:26 < blindcoder> well, I haven't had THAT call yet...
16:26 < blindcoder> but I'm quite sure it will come soon...
16:26 < kasc_> bbl
16:27 < owl> i'm quite sure my HD here will stop working :-/
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16:28 < esden> aha ... someone logging in from a root account ... nice ...
16:28 < daja77> owl: funny, then you don't have to work
16:28 < esden> and that calls itself BOFH ;-)
16:28 < blindcoder> esden: well... shit happens
16:28 < daja77> esden: a bofh knows what he is doing *g*
16:29 < BOFH_org> hmmm. 2.5.66-bk7 works... it only complains about the initscripts using bdflush instead of pdflush. where should I modify that ?
16:29 < daja77> in the initscripts I guess
16:29 < blindcoder> daja77: take that back. Please...
16:29 < esden> daja77: I hope it for him ...
16:29 < daja77> blindcoder: what?
16:30 < owl> daja77: gnaaa! not funny...
16:30 < daja77> owl: is it your computer?
16:30 < owl> daja77: my computer at work
16:30 < daja77> owl: so what's the matter
16:31 < owl> daja77: the matter is, that i have to work!
16:32 < daja77> owl: if can't, complain a bit and get a new hd
16:33 < owl> it's like calling for 10 000 euro/month
16:33 < daja77> owl: no computer, no work it is damn easy
16:34 < owl> no. we have some computers... such extremyl old ones... with 200 mhz...
16:34 < owl> so... those "sales-whatever-guys" will say - use those PCs.
16:34 < daja77> *shock* and then doin .arg stuff on it
16:35 < esden> owl pvm is your friend
16:35 < owl> yeah... would be creat...
16:35 < owl> pvm?
16:35 < owl> automatic gun?
16:35 < esden> >_<
16:35 < daja77> esden: don't see any connection between pvm and .arg
16:35 < owl> wtf is PVM?
16:35 < daja77> parallel virtual machine
16:36 < owl> on windows?
16:36 < daja77> nope
16:36 < esden> fsck windows and reinstall the boxes >_<
16:36 < owl> i'm forced to use win & .net **
16:36 < esden> owl: have some courage!
16:36 < esden> at least once
16:36 < daja77> owl: please use the rot13 version of it
16:36 < owl> and get kicked off tzhe fscking company
16:37 < blindcoder> echo .net | rot13
16:37 < blindcoder> .arg
16:37 < daja77> owl: yes you'll be a lot happier then
16:37 < daja77> blindcoder: indeed, isn't it funny
16:37 < owl> sure. without any future. yipeeh
16:37 < esden> show them that even windows applications run more stable under linux then under windows ... wine is your friend
16:37 < daja77> try the mono project
16:38 < esden> yes mono
16:38 < esden> *sigh*
16:38 < owl> no customer uses linux, wine, whatever. they're using windows! cuz they're stupid "radio and fernsehfritzen2
16:38 < daja77> o_O you are working for br
16:38 < blindcoder> daja77: I call it insightful
16:38 < owl> daja77: nope
16:39 < daja77> blindcoder: *rofl*
16:39 < esden> does somebody know how far they are with the mono project ?
16:40 < blindcoder> no, but I fear the next version of QT
16:40 < rolla> esden
16:40 < rolla> how goes alpha rocklinux?
16:41 < esden> I have to rebuild the port ... >_<
16:41 < esden> and have disk space problems
16:41 < daja77> owl: https://www.go-mono.com/faq.html
16:41 < rolla> :(
16:41 < esden> i will have to buy a new disk for the box
16:41 < owl> daja77: what's with it?
16:41 < esden> >_<
16:41 < rolla> that sucks
16:42 < daja77> owl: it is a free .arg implementation for linux
16:42 < owl> I AM NOT ALLOWED TO USE LINUX!!! *ARGH*
16:42 < owl> am i speaking japanease?!!!
16:42 < rolla> owl: warum?
16:42 < owl> cuz we're a fscking win-using-fsck-company
16:43 < rolla> owl: did they tell you that they would fire you if you loaded linux?
16:43 < daja77> owl: don't get mad at me, it was jus fyi
16:43 * blindcoder hugs hil Linux Workstation
16:43 < owl> rolla: they told me, that on the machines at work i am not allowed to install linux!
16:44 < daja77> owl: they just don't wanna see you in a superior position
16:44 < esden> owl: use your laptop
16:45 < owl> GNAAAAA!
16:46 < daja77> owl: well then tell them you can't run win2000 on a p200
16:46 < owl> esden: i'm at work, not at home -> i can't use my fscking notebook the whole day and use linux on my private notebook
16:46 < owl> daja77: sure. it runs... it's alreaday running. 'disaster1' is my test-server...
16:46 < daja77> I guess it is walking not running *g*
16:47 < owl> yeah
16:47 < owl> and takes about 8 minutes to start
16:47 < blindcoder> https://bash.org/?10989 <-- ouch
16:48 < daja77> doesn't matter if it boots and runs, it is just too slow for development
16:48 < rolla> owl: that sucks
16:48 < owl> daja77: sure
16:48 < owl> rolla: full ack. it's my fscking company
16:48 < rolla> owl: oh well guess you do as they say
16:49 < daja77> owl: then explain it to them, fsck
16:49 < owl> daja77: *grrrr*
16:49 < owl> and go to your private bank and buy a HD from your _private_money, eh?! *grrrr*
16:49 < daja77> owl: don't fight with me, I do not force you to work with crap
16:50 < owl> no, but you don't get it, that it's almost impossible to get new hardware here
16:50 < daja77> owl: no it is there job to give you the needed hardware
16:50 < owl> blah!
16:50 < blindcoder> daja77: it's one of thet companies that still believe in the dotcom-boom :D
16:51 < daja77> owl: cos I got it, but then you'll have to make clear that you cannot do your work as expected
16:51 < owl> beliveing in the dotcomboom? not really...
16:51 < daja77> blindcoder: they shall die immedietly
16:51 < owl> daja77: shut up! i still need my fscking company!
16:52 < daja77> owl: you'll find a better one
16:52 < esden> owl: search a new place to work ...
16:52 < owl> daja77: NO! nobody wants a "azubi"
16:52 < esden> you are only too lazy to search a new place to work
16:52 < owl> esden: no. i can't!
16:52 < owl> adios
16:52 < daja77> then study
16:52 < owl> daja77: i'm not allowed
16:53 < esden> o_O
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16:53 < esden> hmm ...
16:53 < daja77> huh, what have we done? o_O
16:54 * blindcoder going home
16:54 < blindcoder> baba
16:55 < daja77> bye
16:55 < esden> cu blindcoder 
16:55 < esden> daja77: *shrug_shoulders*
16:55 < daja77> esden: ok
16:56 < daja77> esden: wanna know what I think, about that log bug?
16:57 < esden> daja77: yups
16:58 < esden> daja77: which dates are missing ?
16:58 < daja77> every calendar table has only 5 rows, but for this march 6 rows would be needed
16:58 < daja77> march 30, march 31
16:58 < esden> hoe ?
16:58 < esden> mom
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16:59 < esden> ohh ... you mean that site
16:59 < esden> that was created by clifford not me
17:00 < esden> sorry for confusion
17:00 < esden> my logs are there ...
17:01 < daja77> erm yes, it's the site sorry
17:03 < daja77> esden: my story finally made it to /. yesterday *g*
17:03 < esden> daja77: respect!
17:03 < daja77> thx
17:05 < daja77> karma: positive *g*
17:07 < daja77> rolla: have you heard something from Mike1?
17:15 < rolla> nope
17:15 < daja77> ok
17:15 < rolla> he does this every once in awhile. He drops off the face of the earth
17:16 < daja77> ah ok :)
17:16 < daja77> hope he'll be back soon
17:20 < daja77> *gnaaarf*
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17:21 < daja77> yipeeh
17:22 < daja77> Mkke1
17:22 < daja77> hi Mike1
17:22 < Mike1> hi daja77.
17:23 < daja77> Mike1: *hug*
17:23 < Mike1> *rehug*
17:23 < daja77> glad to see you around
17:23 < Mike1> thx.
17:23 < Mike1> moin all.
17:24 < esden> hi Mike1 
17:24 < esden> god bless you
17:24 * -> esden hungry
17:24 < Mike1> Got segne dich auch esden.
17:24 < esden> >_<
17:24 < esden> I hate hunger
17:25 < esden> it is so obsolete
17:25 < daja77> esden: me too, that reminds me of ...
17:26 < daja77> *sigh* the rain has stopped time for me to go home
17:26 < daja77> cu later
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17:50 < snyke> cool
17:50 * snyke received a greeting in donaukurier =D
17:53 < esden> o_O
17:58 < kasc_> re
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18:08 < Lorini> wow.
18:38 < esden> grr ... why is gimp not compiling >_<
18:38 < Mike1> because it doesn't feel like it?
18:38 < esden> pangoft2 ...
18:38 < esden> where is it
18:38 < esden> in which packet
18:39 < esden> it is not in pango ... 
18:39 < esden> and I have not found that library online ...
18:39 < esden> or have I missed something
18:40 < esden> do I need freefonts or freetype to get pangoft or so ?
18:41 < rolla> :)
18:41 < esden> hmm ... freetype is there ...
18:41 < esden> *sigh*
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18:42 < esden> and freefonts too
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18:43 < esden> hmm ... freefonts is not compiling >_<
18:43 < esden> GOD WHAT IS GOING ON ...
18:45 < rolla> esden what are you fighting with?
18:45 < esden> I try to install gimp14
18:46 < esden> it fails because it can not find pangoft
18:46 < rolla> :) I had problems like what you are saying but wuth gnome 2.2
18:46 < esden> I try to build the package that is in packages/gnome2/
18:47 < esden> so it is gnome 2.2 in some way
18:47 < rolla> :)
18:47 < rolla> you might need a new fontconfig
18:47 < esden> fontconfig ... aha ...
18:48 < rolla> or maybe you just try a fc-cache -vf
18:48 < esden> o_O
18:48 < esden> in which package is fontconfig ?
18:51 < esden> ok I need fontconfig ... now I need to find a place to get it
18:51 < esden> it seems not to be in rocklinux
18:51 < esden> who is the maintainer of gnome2 currently? still rene?
18:51 < rolla> :)
18:52 < rolla> fontconfig.org
18:52 < esden> ok ... rene is still the maintainer ...
18:52 < esden> IIRC Mike1 you wanted to take over that repository?
18:53 < esden> thanks rolla 
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18:54 < esden> hmm it seems that xft is also missing in rock
18:54 < esden> WHAT IS GOING ON !!! GRRRRR
18:55 < rolla> esden: Xft is part of fontconfig
18:56 < esden> aha ... ok
18:56 < esden> but they say on the page that you need to get Xft2 from the gnome site
18:57 < rolla> ?
18:57 < rolla> hmm
18:57 < rolla> I got it as a part of fc_package2.1
18:58 < esden> hmm
18:58 < esden> so what do I have to take fc_package or fontconfig ...
18:59 < rolla> take fc_package and then get the newest fontconfig :)
18:59 < rolla> esden: aslong as you don't use gnome you should not need to worry to much
18:59 < esden> can somebody with greater gnome knowledge then me sit down and fix that stuff? that would be very nice
19:00 < esden> but I want gimp!!!
19:00 < esden> and not the crappy old stuff
19:00 < rolla> esden: do you use gnome?
19:00 < esden> nope
19:00 < rolla> then you can update Xft and fontconfig without worries
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19:03 < esden> fine
19:04 < Mike1> bla.
19:04 < esden> What another update of binutils? NOOOOO!
19:04 * -> esden cryes like a baby
19:05 < Mike1> bwahaha!
19:05 < esden> Mike1: do you use gnome? 
19:05 < rolla> esden: sorry
19:05 < Mike1> esden: yes i do.
19:05 < esden> Mike1: am I right that you wanted to take over the gnome repository ?
19:06 < Mike1> yes.
19:06 < Mike1> who told you?
19:06 < esden> I read that on the mailinglist ...
19:06 < esden> rene stated that
19:06 < Mike1> ah?
19:06 < Mike1> when where?
19:07 < esden> Mike1: please take it over _NOW_ and fix it !!! _PLEEEEAAAASE_
19:07 < Mike1> *ggg*
19:07 < esden> I want gimp1.4
19:07 < esden> NOW!
19:08 * -> esden is in a mood to run! 
19:08 * -> esden runs
19:08 < rolla> Mike1: esden is feeling the pain of gnome :)\
19:08 < Mike1> i can't just take it over, but i can sent out patches
19:08 < esden> ok ... Mike1 ... try to build gnome1.4
19:08 < esden> you will see that fontconfig is missing in rockliunx
19:09 < Mike1> gnome1.4?
19:09 < esden> and fc_package if I understood correctly
19:09 < Mike1> ok
19:09 < esden> no gnome2
19:09 < esden> gimp1.4
19:09 < Mike1> let me prepare for a new build
19:09 < Mike1> and will fix it.
19:09 < Mike1> esden or at least try to fix it
19:09 < esden> Mike1: you may need the site www.fontconfig.org
19:09 < Mike1> esden: do you have that mail where rene stated that about me .. ?
19:10 < esden> I should ... 
19:10 < esden> lemme see
19:12 * Mike1 fetching latest cvs ...
19:15 < rolla> good luck mike
19:15 < Mike1> rolla: thx, looks like i will need it.
19:15 < rolla> yeah you are now fighting what I was :)
19:15 < Mike1> rolla: esden if i fix it you 2 will owe me a beer :)
19:15 < rolla> Mike1: I am fixed :) I don't use gimp :)
19:16 < Mike1> rolla: *g
19:16 < Mike1> rolla: ok but you do want gnome working don't you ?
19:16 < esden> hmm I can not find it ... but I know that it was somewhere
19:17 < esden> and that he said it
19:17 < Mike1> esden: when was it? i will search
19:17 < rolla> yeah I have gnoem working :)
19:17 < rolla> garnome
19:17 < esden> one two weeks ago
19:17 < esden> during the last month I think
19:17 < esden> but no longer then two months
19:18 < Mike1> ok i am searching
19:18 < Mike1> still fetching cvs ...
19:18 < esden> ahh that background image is beautifull
19:19 < esden> *sigh* I also want to draw so good
19:20 < esden> Mike1: do you know www.merekatcreations.com ?
19:21 < Mike1> nope i didn't
19:22 < Mike1> no i do as you gave me the link
19:22 < esden> hehe
19:22 < esden> I hope you know megatokyo ...
19:23 < Mike1> yes i do.
19:23 < esden> good so you will like merekat ;-)
19:24 * Mike1 crashes his megatokyo blanket againts esdens face..
19:24 < esden> autsh
19:24 < esden> I have a megatokyo blanket too ;-)
19:24 < Mike1> :)
19:24 < Mike1> good
19:24 < esden> kuddles his blanket
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19:28 < daja77> re
19:28 < esden> waaaaahhhhhhh fontconfig is not willing to compile 
19:29 < esden> *cry*
19:29 < daja77> esden: ask rolla
19:29 < esden> re daja77 
19:29 < esden> rolla: which version of fontconfig do you use?
19:30 < esden> ../src/.libs/libfontconfig.so: undefined reference to `XML_SetDoctypeDeclHandler' 
19:30 < esden> what a crop
19:30 < esden> i mean crap
19:30 < rolla> 2.1.96
19:30 < esden> 96 o_O
19:30 < esden> I found only 92 on the site
19:31 < rolla> hmm maybe it is 92
19:33 < daja77> damn pron spam
19:34 < esden> ok ... I should use fcpackage.2_1
19:34 < esden> garnome uses that one
19:37 < esden> super ... *sigh* ... fcpackage contains 4 librarys everyone in one subdirectory ...
19:38 < esden> fontconfig.conf has to be written ...
19:39 < Mike1> esden: arrgg i couldn't find the email..
19:40 < daja77> Mike1: ??
19:40 < esden> Mike1: write to rene directly
19:40 < Mike1> nah its ok i will ask him later when i comes
19:40 < Mike1> daja77: nothing important no worries
19:40 < daja77> ok
19:41 * Mike1 can't remember anything that he did during the last 30 hours
19:41 < esden> Mike1: you have to add fcpackage.2_1 ...
19:41 < esden> Mike1: you should not drink so much
19:41 < daja77> esden: maybe he should in this case
19:41 < Mike1> esden: i just came by for a while but ina few hours i vanish again
19:43 < esden> kk
19:43 < esden> np
19:43 < Mike1> esden: but i will manage to fix gnome
19:44 < esden> Mike1: I am sure about that
19:44 < Mike1> esden: i just don't feel exactly .. good.
19:44 < esden> ok ... I will manage to install fontconfig manually
19:44 < esden> but I am not willing to write the .config file now
19:45 < rolla> esden: it makes on for you
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19:51 < Mike1> Mr blindcoder :)
20:20 < esden> ok garnome is not compiling
20:20 < esden> today is not my day
20:20 < daja77> :(
20:22 < esden> //home/weasel/garnome/lib/libXrender.so: undefined reference to `XextAddDisplay'
20:22 < esden> hrm
20:22 < esden> rolla: ... do you have an idea ?
20:22 < daja77> -lXext perhaps
20:25 < esden> can it be that i need Xfree 4.3 ?
20:25 < daja77> don't think so
20:29 < esden> I try an older version without a 0 at the end of the version number
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20:44 < rolla> esden: what are you using garnome for?
20:45 < esden> hmm ... I want to try gnome ... and it also contains gimp ... so I wanted to install it that way
20:47 < rolla> ah
20:47 < esden> [===== NOW BUILDING:    fontconfig-2_1  =====]
20:47 < esden>  ==> Building font cache...
20:48 < esden> already 15 minutes in that place or longer
20:48 < rolla> esden: it will take alwhile
20:48 < esden> what is it doing?
20:50 < rolla> it is cache what fonts you have and where
20:50 < rolla> so it knows what it has to use
20:50 < rolla> it is running the command fc-cache
20:51 < esden> yes I have seen that it is running in top
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20:52 < rolla> it is all okay I assure you
20:53 < blindcoder> now I know why this harddisk was giving me major headaches
20:54 < blindcoder> ext2 simply isn't meant to be used in a production system...
20:57 < esden> o_O
20:57 < esden> re blindcoder so by the way
20:57 < blindcoder> esden: the /home partition was ext2 until a few minutes ago...
20:58 < daja77> blindcoder: what is it now?
20:58 < blindcoder> each time the system crashed (curses on NVidia!) the filesystem got screwed up a bit more
20:58 < blindcoder> transformed it into ext3... not MUCH better, but an improvement nonetheless
20:58 < blindcoder> re esden
20:58 < blindcoder> re all :)
20:58 < daja77> blindcoder: that's why I don't a nforce chipset
20:58 < daja77> don't want even
20:59 < blindcoder> daja77: well, it was also wineX (seeing a trend here?)
20:59 < blindcoder> GAAH! STOP BLAMING EVERYTHING ON MY HARDWARE!
20:59 < blindcoder> on the other hand
20:59 < blindcoder> BLAME IT ON THE HARDWARE! NOT ON ME! :D
21:00 < daja77> blindcoder: I don't blame you
21:00 < blindcoder> yes, that's why I encourage you to blame the hardware :)
21:01 < daja77> nvidia chipset are CRAP
21:01 * blindcoder looks at the SB! Live lying still in the box and listens to sound from an ESS Solo 1
21:01 < blindcoder> tomorrow... hehe... tomorrow you'll be swapped... hehe...
21:01 < blindcoder> well, they do their job... unfortunately they do more than that :)
21:02 < blindcoder> currently I don't use the nvidia module whenever I don't need it
21:03 < blindcoder> ie: most of the time :)
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21:03 * blindcoder now running on the second gfx card in his 'puter: a PCI Voodoo 3 3000 :)
21:03 < daja77> blindcoder: you are a poser :P
21:04 < blindcoder> daja77: no, I can't afford a new top-of-the-line gfx card
21:05 < daja77> I feel sorry for you :)
21:05 < blindcoder> that doesn't fit my wallet either :P
21:05 * -> esden is asking himself why there are no dual agp boards
21:06 < daja77> hehe, no it's not my job to fill it
21:06 < esden> blindcoder: we should blame you that you are buying such expensive and crappy hardware ;-)
21:06 < daja77> what does esden answer?
21:07 < blindcoder> esden: excuse me for making decisions
21:07 < esden> hehe ;-)
21:07 < esden> let god make decisions... ;-)
21:08 < blindcoder> you know that I don't believe...
21:08 < esden> you do but you do not want to confess it to yourself
21:10 * daja77 does not
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21:13 < rxr> re
21:13 < blindcoder> whatever
21:13 < daja77> hi rxr
21:14 < esden> ahh rxr 
21:14 < esden> hi 
21:14 < Mike1> re all
21:14 < esden> very good that you are here ...
21:14 < esden> I have to beat you up ;-)
21:14 < Mike1> hi Ren.
21:14 * blindcoder listening to "Komm suesser Tod" and then going to bed
21:14 < blindcoder> g'n8 everyone
21:14 * Mike1 stands infront of rxr, you are not beating anyone esden
21:14 < esden> n8 blindcoder 
21:14 < daja77> blindcoder: happy nightmare
21:14 < Mike1> n8 blindy
21:15 < esden> ok ok ... so someone else has to tell him what I wanted to say ...
21:15 < esden> ;-)
21:15 < Mike1> tell him but no beating :)
21:16 < esden> ok
21:16 * daja77 beats himself
21:16 < esden> rxr: would it be possible that you fix gimp (I think that will also fix gnome) 
21:16 < esden> it needs fontconfig to compile
21:17 < esden> I lack gnome knowledge to get it runnig
21:17 < esden> and time at the moment ... (/me has axam on saturday)
21:17 < daja77> on saturday, huh?
21:18 < rxr> esden: fix gnome? is gnome broken ?
21:18 < rxr> hi Mike1 hi all
21:19 < rxr> hm - gnoem built in my last build completely
21:19 < rxr> gimps fails, yes
21:19 < esden> rxr: at least is gimp broken ... it needs pangoft2 to compile
21:19 < rxr> I'll fix all that is broken in net build ...
21:19 < esden> and pangoft2 is being built only when fontconfig is there
21:19 < rxr> huh - you mean gimp14 in this case?
21:19 < esden> and fontconfig is not in rocklinux as far as I see
21:20 < rxr> esden: it is - it is included in xfree86 ;-)!
21:20 < esden> yes gimp14 ... I want something current ... not old stuff
21:20 < esden> where ?
21:20 < esden> ahh
21:20 < esden> the new xfre ..
21:20 < esden> ok ...
21:20 < esden> so my xfree is too old right?
21:20 < rxr> but gimp14 built in my last dRock build - and both gimp12 and 14 built when you build them manually ... (not in the whole build because of their priority ...)
21:21 < rxr> esden: if you have not 430 then your x is too old ... ;-)
21:21 < esden> *sigh*
21:21 < esden> so I will have to budild it ...
21:21 < esden> question ... can I build xfree as a packet not building the whole target?
21:22 < esden> and not installing it during that procedure ?
21:23 < esden> I know stupid question ... but I really do not know that
21:25 < rxr> hm - no this is not possible ... (AFAIKT)
21:26 < esden> we need that feature ...
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21:28 < martin_> hello all
21:28 < rxr> esden: this is not possible
21:28 < daja77> hi martin_
21:28 < martin_> rxr: hast kurz zeit ?
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21:29 < rxr> the only possibility is to specify another $root but not all packages are $root aware - and I do not know if xfree86 is this ..
21:29 < rxr> martin_: yups#
21:29 < esden> hmm ...
21:29 < esden> ok ...
21:30 < martin_> rxr: Denkst, ich brauch /usr/src/linux-2.4.14-rock auf dem Router noch mal ...? Oder loechen ...
21:31 < rxr> martin_: we decided that this channel is LANG=en only ...
21:31 < rxr> no I do not need linux-2.4.14-rock on your router again - feel free to remove it
21:31 < martin_> rxr: thx
21:31 < rxr> but you should find out what file on your router is massively consuming disk-space ...
21:31 < rxr> martin_: please do not yet apear some other things ...
21:32 < rxr> martin_: it had no time of FH today - ...
21:32 < esden> ok ... I will shut down x unistall it and pray that xfree in rock will compile
21:32 < rxr> the 800Mhz iBook should have arrived today - but didn't so it should tomorrow
21:33 < rxr> could I borrow your iBook with my ROCK-powerpc build for a day (tomorrow evening?) to copy my build to the new iBook ?
21:34 < martin_> rxr: Yes, you know where my home is ;-)
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21:39 < rxr> sure - so I'll visit you and borrow the iBook - or would you like to come over?
21:43 < esden> ok ... building xfree86 .. *holding_thumbs*
21:45 < rxr> you backuped the orignial files?
21:45 < esden> yes
21:46 < esden> hope at least ... *sigh*
21:46 < rxr> huh martin_ the performer is not responding ????????
21:46 < esden> rxr: he dumped you ;-)
21:47 < rxr> rene@gsmp:~$ ssh performer
21:47 < rxr> ssh: connect to host performer port 22: No route to host
21:47 < rxr> esden: he won't dump me ...
21:47 < rxr> martin_: do you know if s.th. happend with the box ?
21:47 < martin_> rxr: Hmm, I have a meeting (StuPa) tomorrow evening. But in the morning?
21:49 < rxr> I'm at work tomorrow - and haiko, too ...
21:49 < rxr> do you know if the box was running todays morning or afternoon ?
21:49 < martin_> rxr: Performer work. Hmmm, I don't know, why now no more ...
21:50 < rxr> you mean performed "worked" today's morning?
21:50 < martin_> yes ...
21:51 < rxr> hm
21:51 < martin_> rxr: When are you on work?
21:52 < rxr> at work? I guess arround 10:00, why?
21:53 < martin_> rxr: so you need the iBook only in the evening? After 19h00 ?
21:55 < rxr> jups
21:55 < rxr> before I have to work ...
21:55 < rxr> but if someone sponsors my ROCK work I could get on the iBook tomorrow morning, too. *hint*
21:58 < daja77> gn8 all
21:59 < martin_> gn8 daja77
22:00 < esden> ahh ... links rulez ... no x11 and still able to browse colourfully ;-)
22:02 < martin_> rxr: hmm, do I go to MA3, or not? If I go, I need some Toys like an iBook ... U only will copy the files in the morning ...?
22:03 < rxr> hm? I would like to copy them tomoroow evening (past 19:00 ...)
22:05 < rxr> alternatively you could ssh them to my private DSL server ... ;-)
22:06 < rxr> but this are some gigs ...
22:06 < martin_> So I come tomorrow evening with iBook
22:06 < martin_> +the ?
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22:07 < rxr> sure this would be perfect!
22:08 * rxr listening to "I wanna ROCK" ;-)#
22:09 < martin_> I do not know exactly, when I come home. But I think past 19h ...
22:10 * martin_ eats now ...
22:11 < rxr> jups that's ok - I also do not yet know when I'm back from work ...
22:20 < rxr> hm somehow the cross-compiling in the gcc 3.3 prerelease is broken ...
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22:27 < wosch> hi
22:28 < wosch> rxr: Since there's no how-to-compile-it-yourself doc for the 2.0.0 alpha, do you have a download pointer for the initial package file?
22:29 < rxr> wosch: what initial package file do you mean?
22:29 < rxr> the tarball containing the source ?
22:29 < wosch> the first tarball which you use to start compiling from scratch
22:29 < esden> hmm ... do the guys of xfree at least consider alpha channel capability? ... 
22:31 < rxr> esden: some parts of xfree alread have alpha capability#
22:31 < rxr> e.g. XRender, and the new XCursor extension
22:31 < esden> it really sux to see MacOSX with this beautifull transparent windows and termitals
22:31 < esden> that hurts badly
22:31 < rxr> wosch: there is no seperated dRock tree anymore (like we had in 1.4 or 1.6)
22:31 < rxr> all is in the only one official source tree named 1.7
22:32 < rxr> so you either take the last snapshot release - ro do a CVS checkout
22:32 < rxr> last one preferred.
22:32 < esden> can one use XRender to get _really_ transparent termital?
22:32 < wosch> ok thanks
22:32 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
22:32 < esden> rxr: which ports do you mean
22:32 < esden> ?
22:33 < rxr> esden: ports ? where have I written s.t. about ports ?
22:33 < rxr> parts esden parts ;-)
22:33 < esden> parts ... 
22:33 < esden> sigh ... sorry
22:33 < rxr> no XRender cannot used for inter-window transparency
22:33 < rxr> this might be able in XFree 5.0
22:34 < rxr> but XRender can be used to blend image data in hardware (used for anti-aliased fonts in QT and Gtk+2
22:34 < rxr> or other rendering in qt and also s.times in gtk+2
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22:34 < rxr> for an example fire up the newest XFree's "xclock"
22:35 < rxr> but it is not that impressive ...
22:37 < esden> fine ... so we still have to wait for a state of the art windowing system on linux ...
22:37 < martin_> rxr: ok, we see us tomorrow at 19h. gn8
22:37 < martin_> gn8
22:37 < esden> n8 martin_ 
22:38 < esden> rxr: have you read about approatches in 5.0 to get the interwindow transparency running?
22:40 < rxr> esden: yes - many devels think about this
22:40 < rxr> esden: have you read about the recent XFree developers flame-war?
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22:43 < esden> rxr: I have heard that they are fighting but did not read that ...
22:43 < esden> can you tell me a link or so ... or which mailinglist ...
22:48 < rxr> is was on /. and osnews.com as well as gnome.org and kde.org ....
22:49 < rxr> https://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/
22:49 < rxr> it the formus they opened after all the issues
22:49 < esden> yes ... right ... I heard about that ... but it is more a political change
22:51 < esden> you mean the "The XFree fork() Saga Continues" topic on osnews?
22:53 < rxr> jups
22:54 < rxr> on both osnews and /. where two news entries about this ...
23:01 < esden> very interesting the "Invitation for public discussion about the future of X" thread
23:02 < rxr> ...
23:06 < esden> but XFree 5.0 TODO is even more interesting ... : 10. Window translucency
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23:09 < rxr> jups - read this weeks ago ...
23:11 < esden> I did not knew about that ...
23:11 < esden> hmm ... the second xfree build still running ... *sigh*
23:12 < rxr> the second ?
23:17 < esden> yes ... the first one failed because of shared files ... and because /usr/lib/X11 was there (icewm has its crap in there)
23:58 < esden> good x11 runs
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