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--- Log opened Fri May 02 00:00:42 2003
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00:20 < esden> re hi all
00:21 < daja77> re esden, how were your meetings
00:22 < esden> nice ...
00:22 < esden> I was forced to drink another beer
00:22 < esden> >_<
00:23 < daja77> hehe poor esden
00:23 < esden> yes ... I am very poor
00:24 < esden> and stupid ... that I allow myself to get forced to do something like that >_<
00:24 * daja77 gives another beer to esden
00:24 < esden> urgh ... no thanks ...
00:24 < esden> I am drunk enough ... 
00:25 < daja77> so why are you here then?
00:25 < esden> another beer will force me to puke
00:25 < daja77> *urgs*
00:28 < esden> hmm ... I am near to that ... but my stomach feels good
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00:58 < daja77> hi ringo78
00:59 < ringo78> hi daja77 ha a long shower.
00:59 < ringo78> had
00:59 < daja77> uhm why not ;)
00:59 < mnemoc> alone?
01:00 < ringo78> mnemoc: nope with the cat she was getting smeely :)
01:00 < ringo78> smelly
01:01 < mnemoc> get showered with a cat may hurt :|
01:10 < daja77> gn8 you all
01:11 < mnemoc> n8
01:11 < ringo78> If you know how to hold a cat. ALLWAYS watch its claws.
01:11 < ringo78> gn8 daja77
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02:45 < _NULL_> hi n00kie
02:59 < n00kie> Heya _NULL_
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03:04 < _NULL_> n00kie: still awake at 03:04?
03:11 < ringo78> _NULL_: awake at 3:17 ?
03:11 < _NULL_> ringo78: yeah ;)
03:12 < ringo78> c00l
03:12 < _NULL_> ringo78: :p
03:12 < ringo78> 2.0.0 boots btw with grub.
03:12 < _NULL_> <-- needs to start a build of rock-1.4 (but first to compile gcc-2.95.3)
03:13 < _NULL_> i guess i won't sleep this night
03:13 < _NULL_> *sigh*
03:13 < ringo78> c00l my record is 3 nights no sleep
03:14 < _NULL_> ringo78: urgs
03:14 < capchaos> hehe
03:14 < _NULL_> capchaos: don't laugh, evil boy :ppp
03:15 < capchaos> "Sleep. Some people practise it at night, strange they are."
03:16 < ringo78> lilo = strange
03:16 < _NULL_> *g*
03:17 < mnemoc> what *g* means?
03:17 < _NULL_> grins = g
03:17 < _NULL_> weee! i'm loving "the 69 eyes" *sing*
03:18 < mnemoc> thanks :)
03:19 < _NULL_> you're welcome
03:19 < _NULL_> hihi. 4 PCs currently running... and another will start soon ;)))
03:19 < _NULL_> (2 notebooks and soon the 3rd in my room (where i sleep)) :p
03:20 < n00kie> i'm just running 2
03:20 < n00kie> and they are too loud :P
03:21 < _NULL_> n00kie: mine here, too. esepcially 'erebos' (one machine, not my distro) - it's old and loud...
03:21 < n00kie> hehe
03:21 < n00kie> my server has a very loud powercooler
03:21 < n00kie> need to remove it
03:23 < _NULL_> hehe ;) i'm happy that my router and so are standing in the special "computer room" where the alpha, printer, router, workstations and so are located... just my notebook and one machine are in my room ;) but it's loud and hot enough in here... (and the celeron-notebook is a good hottage too)
03:24 < n00kie> Hmm
03:24 < n00kie> I have an old ibm thinkpad near me
03:24 < _NULL_> hehe ;) which one?
03:24 < n00kie> 486er 900mhz
03:24 < n00kie> 90
03:24 < n00kie> 8megs ram
03:24 < n00kie> and floppy
03:24 < _NULL_> *g*
03:24 < n00kie> 90mhz not 900 :)
03:25 < _NULL_> a bit old... ;p
03:25 < _NULL_> but i have an 50 mhz (?) 386 or 486er NB too - in the other room ;)
03:25 < n00kie> Well, i used it last time before 2 years
03:25 < _NULL_> tstststs
03:27 < _NULL_> hm... gcc-buil is running... maybe i should go to bed, now...
03:27 < _NULL_> good night
03:27 < ringo78> n8 _NULL_
03:27 < _NULL_> n8 ringo78
03:36 < n00kie> sleep well _NULL_
03:36 < n00kie> How many megs contains download -required ?
03:37 < mnemoc> depends of your target ;)
03:38 < n00kie> target is generic
03:38 < mnemoc> too many :(
03:38 < n00kie> that means? ;)
03:39 < mnemoc> never downloaded a generic :(
03:39 < mnemoc> -required for generic almost means -all
03:39 < mnemoc> i guess about 2GB
03:39 < n00kie> ah
03:39 < n00kie> thats too much
03:40 < mnemoc> bootdisk is a good target
03:40 < n00kie> hmm
03:40 < mnemoc> about 300MB
03:40 < n00kie> well, i just wanna have a "minimal" system
03:40 < n00kie> to build it up :)
03:41 < n00kie> mnemoc: Should I use bootdisk then ?
03:41 < mnemoc> mmm....
03:42 < mnemoc> bootdisk builds enoght for that... but i don't know what does it installs
03:43 < mnemoc> rxr is working on a livecd just for that
03:44 < n00kie> yes
03:48 < n00kie> I'll go to bed
03:48 < n00kie> sleep well mnemoc
03:48 < n00kie> sleep well ringo78
03:49 < mnemoc> n8 :)
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09:18 < rxr> re
09:26 < netrunner_> hi rxr
09:51 < rxr> hi
10:06 < netrunner_> hm ... if only the 20th try to extract the kernel is succesfull, could this be the cpu, or the mem, or the nfs-share?
10:21 < rxr> what is the error you get ?
10:21 < rxr> if it is not an io error - my guess is CPU or Memory ...
10:49 < netrunner_> the file is ok. and ... now it segfaults during build. I'll do a memcheck :)
11:01 < rxr> jups - might be better
11:30 < _NULL_> hi
11:37 < blindcoder> moin
11:37 < _NULL_> hi blindy
11:58 < rxr> hi _NULL_
11:58 < _NULL_> hi rxr
12:02 * blindcoder loves his needle-printer :)
12:03 < _NULL_> blindcoder: waaaah! are you a bit crazy, sometimes?
12:03 < blindcoder> _NULL_: yes. but endless-paper is just predestined for printing out Walkthroughs, kilometer long hexlists and FAQs
12:04 < _NULL_> *g*
12:04 < blindcoder> -rw-r--r--    1 blindcod users      261760 May  2 11:55 APOC_FAQ.txt
12:04 < blindcoder> my current print-job
12:04 < blindcoder> pure text
12:11 * blindcoder thinks about putting syslog on his printer...
12:11 < blindcoder> s/syslog/console/
12:31 < daja77> re
12:35 < _NULL_> re daja77
12:36 < daja77> thx _NULL_
12:36 < blindcoder> puh, lunch was good :)
12:36 < blindcoder> haven't eaten anything before today :(
12:37 < daja77> lunch, hmm what a nice idea...
12:37 < blindcoder> okay, some nachos with "hot" sauce...
12:37 < blindcoder> daja77: hehe, yes :)
12:39 < daja77> so I'll have lunch now, cu
12:42 < _NULL_> "guten hunger", daja77
12:42 < blindcoder> noting like spicy food to counteract the effect of anaesthetics :D
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12:51 < senaxl> Huhu..
12:53 < blindcoder> hi senaxl
12:53 < _NULL_> hi senaxl
12:54 < daja77> re
12:55 < daja77> hi senaxl
12:55 < senaxl> Hi :)
12:55 < blindcoder> uhm... shit...
12:55 < blindcoder> i need a new color-ribbon for my printer... or so it seems....
12:56 < blindcoder> Where the Fuck can I buy a color-ribbon for a 15-year old printer?
12:56 < senaxl> Ui *g*
12:56 < blindcoder> s/buy/get/
12:58 < daja77> .oO tricky
12:59 < daja77> *rofl* rock building under suse...
12:59 < blindcoder> daja77: well... it SHOULD be possible
13:00 < daja77> yeah I know, that reminds me of writing the howto...
13:01 < blindcoder> hehe
13:02 < daja77> strange everybody is reporting that the preinstalled mktemp 1.5 doesn't have -p option on suse and redhat
13:02 < daja77> why do they cripple mktemp, don't get it
13:07 < daja77> ok mktemp 1.5 src has the -p option, will mention this in howto *shakehead*
13:10 < blindcoder> GAH
13:10 < blindcoder> https://www.fjaproducts.com/common/results.asp?DeptId=2351&popup=N&
13:10 < blindcoder> I WANT A FUCKING RIBBON!!! NOT THE WHOLE PRINTER!
13:12 < daja77> blindcoder: how come that you haven't understood capitalism until now
13:12 < esden> good day everyone
13:12 < blindcoder> daja77: because elsewhere the same ribbons are 10$
13:13 < blindcoder> but it looks like they aren't available anywhere in germany...
13:13 < blindcoder> hi esden
13:13 < esden> hi blindcoder!
13:13 < daja77> blindcoder: oh really that surprises me
13:13 < daja77> hi esden
13:14 < daja77> *argh* spam on my rock mail account
13:14 < blindcoder> daja77: at least not on the net. Hmm... I could buy a "new" one including 5 ribbons on eBay for one Euro
13:15 < blindcoder> I think I'll go to a local Office Store and look there
13:15 < daja77> blindcoder: that's what I mean it is cheaper to buy a new than to buy a ribbon, strange eh
13:15 < blindcoder> daja77: oh... I tought you meant a different type of printer... sorry
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13:21 < _NULL_> hi n00kie
13:21 * -> esden searching something to drink
13:22 < daja77> esden: again?
13:22 < blindcoder> esden: I have still half a box of Gutmann here
13:22 < _NULL_> hi esden
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13:23 < esden> no alcohol ... I really had enough yesterday
13:23 * -> esden wants water
13:23 < blindcoder> esden: hehe. And I just finished writing CS to CDs
13:23 < daja77> CS?
13:24 < blindcoder> CCS
13:24 < esden> blindcoder: give it to me !!!!
13:24 < blindcoder> esden: come and get it :D
13:24 < esden> I am in bitz now ... you could come by ;-)
13:25 < esden> you are going to the city by yourself ... so it should not be a problem to come by in bitz ;-)
13:25 < blindcoder> hmm... yeah, I cauld... but then I won't leave there anytime soon...
13:26 < n00kie> Holla _NULL_ :)
13:26 < blindcoder> ah whatever... I'll go to Bueromarkt and then I'll stop by
13:26 * n00kie restarting X
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13:27 < blindcoder> esden: I'll bring something "good" to eat :)
13:27 < esden> weee !!!
13:27 < blindcoder> esden: you prepare "Schulungsraum"
13:27 < esden> I would have to move to do that ...
13:28 < esden> but ok ... I will do
13:28 < blindcoder> yes, you will
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13:30 < daja77> wb n00kie
13:30 < n00kie> thx :)
13:31 < daja77> n00kie: what's up?
13:31 < n00kie> I just configured my window manager
13:31 < daja77> ah
13:32 < blindcoder> okay, I'll leave
13:32 < blindcoder> bbl
13:32 < n00kie> Bye blindcoder
13:32 < daja77> cu blindcoder
13:33 < n00kie> Hmm.
13:33 < n00kie> Anyone using X-Chat 2.X ?
13:33 < esden> .oO(hopefully noone will rize his hand)
13:34 < n00kie> :)
13:34 < n00kie> well, what do you have against X-Chat?
13:34 < esden> it is graphical ... and therefor not usable in screen ;-)
13:35 < esden> it is not as powerfull as irssi ...
13:35 < kasc> n00kie: it doesnt use the textconsole
13:35 < kasc> moin, btw
13:35 < esden> huhu kasc!
13:35 < n00kie> moin kasc
13:35 < rxr> hi esden kasc and * ;-)
13:35 < n00kie> Hmm
13:35 < n00kie> I use Irssi too
13:35 < n00kie> But X-Chat is nicier to look :)
13:35 < esden> hi rxr 
13:35 < n00kie> Heya rxr :)
13:36 < daja77> hi rxr
13:36 < esden> n00kie: take a nice looking tinted terminal and irssi also looks good ;-)
13:39 < n00kie> Eheh :)
13:39 < n00kie> Well, I like X-Chat and Irssi :)
13:39 < n00kie> So, don't start a flamewar ;-)
13:41 < daja77> why not
13:43 * kasc prefers BitchX
13:43 < esden> ROFL ... tcr is ill ...
13:43 < daja77> you mean his aegis mail?
13:43 < esden> in german I would say "knalltuete"
13:43 < daja77> lol
13:44 < esden> daja77: no ... the image he sent me for the gallery
13:44 < esden> go and look for yourself ;-)
13:44 < daja77> .oO show me
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13:53 < rxr> drock-2.0.0-beta syncing ...
13:53 < rxr> but it will get some updates and more testing before the official announement
13:53 < rxr> this should be tonight.
14:22 < Lorini> moin
14:23 < daja77> hey Lorini ;)
14:23 < kasc> moin Lorini
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14:26 < Lorini_> re..
14:26 < daja77> Lorini_: wb
14:27 < kasc> moin Lorini
14:28 < Lorini_> weekend!!
14:28 < daja77> yeah but still work todo
14:28 < _NULL_> hi Lorini_
14:29 < _NULL_> daja77: haha - /me has vacation today *vbeg*
14:29 < daja77> _NULL_: vacation where?
14:30 < _NULL_> daja77: vacation... just vacation... (being at home and so)
14:30 < daja77> vacation at home I have every day
14:30 < Lorini_> daja77: yes, still work to do, but it feels like weekend :)
14:31 < daja77> ah yes, right it does
14:31 < Lorini_> ;)
14:33 < daja77> If I'd get motivation to stand up, I could really be productive ;)
14:33 < Lorini_> lol
14:34 < Lorini_> i know exactly what you mean..
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15:00 < daja77> Lorini: is mdk really that bad?
15:01 < Lorini> ?
15:01 < daja77> I mean this quitting and rejoining stuff
15:02 < Lorini> ähm no, that has nothing to do with mdk
15:04 < daja77> good ;)
15:04 < Lorini> :)
15:07 < daja77> anyone know why the rocklinux.de mirror is down?
15:07 < daja77> knows
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15:19 < tcr> moin all
15:26 < _NULL_> <-- sleeping again. gn8
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15:31 < daja77> hi tcr
15:32 < tcr> moin tcr
15:33 < tcr> Consult your friend on all things, especially on those which respect yourself. His counsel may then be useful where your own self-love might impair your judgment.
15:34 < tcr> What a true sentence of Seneca
15:56 < Lorini> what a great day... *sing*
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16:02 < daja77> Lorini: why?
16:03 < Lorini> mh. no special reason ;)
16:03 < daja77> ;)
16:03 < Lorini> great music, great feeling..
16:04 < daja77> hmm no music and fscking errors here
16:04 < Lorini> hm
16:04 < Lorini> should i feel sorry for you?
16:05 < daja77> no, in that case I had to kick you
16:05 < Lorini> ok
16:19 < daja77> rxr: are you around?
16:23 < esden> re
16:23 < daja77> esden: would you consider a missing termcap package as a big problem?
16:24 < esden> hmm ... I am not sure ... but I think that it is no problem ... because in ncurses are also the termcap definitions included
16:25 < esden> IIRC there was a discussion on the mailinglist some time ago about it ...
16:26 < daja77> well I tried to install a build I did some weeks ago, it has no termcap package included, install aborts on two pcs claiming there is no definition of a linux terminal, on a third pc it worked
16:29 < esden> hmm ... that is strange ...
16:30 < esden> do you get an .err in termcap?
16:30 < daja77> mom I trying to find that out
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16:38 < daja77> strange it seems it was never build at all, did a Build-Pkg now
16:40 < Mike1> *yawn*
16:40 < daja77> hey Mike1 nice to see you here
16:40 < Mike1> Hello everyone.
16:40 < Mike1> thx daja77 :)
16:41 < daja77> what a pity that rolla isn't here
16:41 < Mike1> daja77: why? what's wrong with him?
16:41 < daja77> he was waiting for you yesterday for hours
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16:42 < Mike1> ouch!
16:42 < Mike1> why? did he said what for?
16:42 < Mike1> i was in holidays yesterday.
16:42 < daja77> yeah he said the iso you gave him had no perl package which he needed so badly to recompile kernel
16:43 < Mike1> ah, i will upload the package on this computer
16:43 < Mike1> :)
16:45 < daja77> I'll do new isos with termcap included now, hope this will solve the issue
16:46 < Mike1> daja77: :)
16:46 < Mike1> daja77: i uploaded the .gem to rolla and mailed him to let him know.
16:46 < Mike1> daja77: thx.
16:48 < Mike1> ping mnemoc_
16:50 < mnemoc_> hi
16:50 < mnemoc_> 1-0 ;)
16:50 * Mike1 kicks mnemoc_
16:50 < mnemoc_> :o
16:50 < Mike1> grrr
16:50 * Mike1 not willing to see any binary stuff today
16:50 < Mike1> :))
16:51 < mnemoc_> gotta go... bbl
16:51 < Mike1> mnemoc_: arrg
16:51 < mnemoc_> :-)
16:51 < Mike1> cu later mnemoc_
16:51 < mnemoc_> cu mike
16:51 < Mike1> mnemoc_: it was just luck of chile btw..
16:51 < Mike1> :)
16:51 < daja77> lol talking about football?
16:51 < mnemoc_> i have to admit that... the chilean team sucks
16:52 < mnemoc_> bye
16:52 < Mike1> daja77: yes.
16:52 < Mike1> scheisse even daja77 heard about the game.
16:52 < daja77> chile vs. costa rica I guess
16:52 < daja77> no I haven't just guessed
16:52 < Mike1> daja77: ack.
16:54 < _NULL_> hi Mike1
16:55 < Mike1> hi _NULL_
16:56 < daja77> hmm termcap didn't made it into the image, do I have to edit some files before doin Create-ISOS again?
16:57 * Mike1 happy, he is keeping his job.
16:58 < daja77> Mike1: congrats
17:00 < daja77> Mike1: how come?
17:01 < Mike1> mom
17:07 < esden> daja77: https://www.rocklinux.org//mailing-list/rock-linux/2003-1/215.html <- about the termcap/ncurses problem
17:07 < esden> but there was a better mail somewhere but I can not find it yet
17:09 < daja77> hmmm termcap builds when I do Build-Pkg termcap but it doesn't get included in the iso
17:12 < Mike1> esden: God bless you MPET
17:14 < esden> bless you Mike1 
17:14 < Mike1> :)
17:14 < esden> daja77: termcap is disabled by default
17:14 < esden> daja77: ncurses package normally includes internal termcap
17:14 < esden> look in the .conf files of termcap and ncurses
17:15 < esden> ehhm ... I mean in the .conf file of ncurses ...
17:15 < esden> there you can see it
17:15 < daja77> but stone  didn't work after chroot, cause of missing terminalö description O_o
17:16 < daja77> will have a look if ncurses is present
17:16 < esden> perhups they removed the internal termcap from ncurses ...
17:16 < esden> that could be ...
17:17 < esden> or the check in .conf of ncurses is wrong
17:18 < daja77> hmm better I do a checkout than looking around in the old sources
17:18 < esden> daja77: the story about ncurses/termcap is pretty old though
17:20 < daja77> yeah my sources are newer than the mail, but anyway I'll do a new build *sigh*
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17:25 < Mike1> blindcoder: are you ok?
17:31 < daja77> I think this is his script
17:43 < daja77> ah think I resolved this -> ncurses package wasn't build due download error >_<
17:45 < _NULL_> urgs
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18:19 < Mike1> hi clifford
18:19 < clifford> Hi all.
18:23 < esden> hi clifford!
18:23 < esden> clifford: how are you?
18:23 < _NULL_> hi clifford
18:23 < Lorini> hi clifford
18:24 < daja77> hi clifford
18:24 < clifford> esden: Oh I'm fine. thanks. Just the usual stress...  ;-)
18:25 < esden> clifford: have you got my x86 kernel.conf.* patch?
18:25 < esden> or you had only no time to look at it?
18:27 < clifford> yup - I'm currently applying patches (you might see the 'applied' mails coming in right now).
18:28 < esden> ack saw it now
18:30 < esden> clifford: I am currently working on the uclibc target ... ofyi ... I first had to learn m4 because the configuration of uclibc is just like the kernel and m4 seems to be here apropriate ... 
18:31 < esden> I want to introduce something new there ... a gcc that is using uclibc as default 
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18:31 < LocalHero> Hi all
18:31 < esden> I wanted to do it in dietlibc target ... but I have not yet managed it to get the STARTFILE ENDFILE SPECS correctly
18:31 < LocalHero> How is it going with Rock 2.x?
18:32 < LocalHero> Any isos ready yet :)
18:32 < esden> it is the only way to get the dietlibc/uclibc target beyond building gcc3 in stage2
18:32 < esden> not the only ... but the only sane
18:32 * daja77 is wondering if the trolls are out today
18:32 < Mike1> LocalHero: hi :)
18:32 < esden> daja77: ?
18:33 < Mike1> LocalHero: your head is wanted in the rock linux developers gallery
18:33 < LocalHero> Mike1: Hi, long time noseing :)
18:33 < daja77> esden: don't worry
18:33 < Mike1> LocalHero: i've been quite busy, thats all.
18:33 < esden> daja77: I am quiet ...
18:33 < esden> ;-)
18:34 < LocalHero> Mike1: ,, I know, i finaly have some spare time and im looking at all the mails i have left in my todo mailbox :)
18:34 < Mike1> daja77: trolls are always out
18:34 < daja77> Mike1: ack
18:35 < blindcoder> g'evening *yawn*
18:35 < esden> Mike1: but not everywhere ... they have their special feeding places like the kernel mailinglist or the suse mailinglists ;-)
18:35 < esden> re blindcoder 
18:35 < daja77> esden: and usenet of course
18:35 < esden> daja77: ack
18:36 < Mike1> esden: hehe
18:36 < Mike1> esden: there is one right behing you in this moment
18:36 < daja77> I can see him
18:36 * -> esden is sitting nervous in front of his computer beeing afraid what clifford will say to his patch ... 
18:37 < esden> hiding from clifford ;-)
18:37 < Mike1> esden: don't hide coward!
18:37 < esden> Mike1: aaaaargl
18:37 * -> esden is a coward ... otherwise I would be dead already
18:37 < esden> ;-)
18:38 < Mike1> esden: that troll behind will take you anyways..
18:38 < esden> Mike1: take your pet away from me ! NOW!
18:39 * clifford is skipping forward to esdens patch ...
18:39 < LocalHero> Wow, i will be right back, new kernel ready to install :-)
18:39 < blindcoder> buahahaha... someone want to write a savegame editor for me? this looks... strange...
18:40 < Mike1> hi blindy
18:40 * -> esden biting his nails
18:40 < Mike1> esden: its not mine its daja77's
18:40 < esden> ok daja77: take your pet away!
18:40 < daja77> connect /dev/pet
18:40 < daja77> device not found:
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18:41 < Mike1> esden: mm..
18:41 < esden> daja77: your devfs is broken ;-)
18:41 * daja77 thinks of checking out again when clifford has finished
18:42 < daja77> esden: bad luck for you
18:42 < esden> aaargl
18:43 * -> esden is searching his hand ... it disappeared somehow
18:43 < clifford> esden: is the patch tested?
18:43 < esden> yes
18:43 < clifford> applied.
18:43 < esden> wee !! 
18:43 < Lorini> (i love this weee)
18:43 < esden> clifford: should I continue to make such cleanup patches?
18:44 < daja77> Lorini: ack
18:45 < esden> a wee for Lorini : WEEEE
18:46 < Mike1> Lorini: WEEEEEEE!
18:46 < daja77> Mike1 can longer *cough*
18:46 < clifford> esden: hmmm... ask rene (this kind of cleanup is also some kind of redesign - so I'm not sure if it's not better to wait for 2.1 for spending time with it - It's something diffrent if you have already a patch...)
18:46 < Lorini> lol
18:46 < Lorini> thanks
18:47 < esden> clifford: I made it only to start using m4 ... I saw this peace of code and thought that it is not really clean and changed it ...
18:48 < esden> clifford: I will first continue my work on uclibc target and dietlibc target ... I hope that uclibc target will help me with some problems I have in the dietlibc 
18:49 < esden> clifford: you are right that such cleanups should be saved for 2.1 ... I think that is too late to do such stuff ... it can break things easyly ... and it is not the right moment for that ...
18:56 < esden> ok ... I am away ... cu all
18:57 < clifford> cu esden.
18:57 < daja77> bye esden
18:58 < daja77> clifford: do you have some time for a non trivial question?
18:59 < clifford> daja77: I think so (depends on how non trivial the question is ;-) ..
19:00 < daja77> channel or query?
19:03 < clifford> Channel (if it's ROCK related ;-)
19:03 < daja77> it is
19:04 < clifford> so..
19:04 < daja77> well I'm trying to do a realtime target for rock linux using the rtai package
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19:05 < daja77> this package requires a kernel patch (which introduces realtime scheduler to kernel)
19:05 < clifford> aha. (sounds interesting)
19:05 < LocalHero> Mike1, Back, did you want a photo for the site? Dont remember who sent the mail to me :)
19:06 < daja77> the patch should only be applied if realtime target is chosen
19:06 < Mike1> LocalHero: esden is the devs gallery guy
19:06 < Mike1> LocalHero: look at: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery/
19:06 < Mike1> LocalHero: we want you there too.
19:07 < daja77> so I used var_append patches for kernel, when rtai is chosen
19:07 < Mike1> BTW /me once express how honored he feels to be in the top of the rock developers gallery :))
19:08 < clifford> daja77: Yes. 'var_append lx_patches " " patch_file' should do it.
19:08 < daja77> unfortunately this breaks the kernel build cos of this line in linux24.conf
19:08 < daja77> ln -sf ../../../usr/src/linux-${ver}-rock \
19:09 < daja77> $root/lib/modules/${ver}/build
19:10 < daja77> the realtime patch modifies the module path from /lib/$ver/ to /lib/$ver-rthal5
19:10 < mnemoc_> have to patch EXTRAVERSION
19:11 < daja77> mnemoc_: tell me more
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19:11 < mnemoc_> on the root Makefile
19:13 < mnemoc_> you can patch the patch to not modify that line, or re-patch kernel to remove the appended EXTRAVERSION
19:13 < mnemoc_> at least that's how i do it :\
19:13 < daja77> you use rtai?
19:13 < mnemoc_> no... but ohter kernel patches that do the same modification ;)
19:14 < tcr> what's the matter?
19:14 < clifford> hm.... but maybe it would be nicer to actually have a long name in /lib/modules (and in uname output). But I see problems with applying multiple such patches ,,,
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19:15 < mnemoc_> instead of patching EXTRAVERSION we could patchit to APPEND them
19:15 < daja77> what if you would change the line into
19:15 < mnemoc_> (new lines to Makefile, instead of altering the original)
19:15 < daja77> $root/lib/modules/${ver}/build
19:15 < daja77> sorry
19:15 < mnemoc_> the problem is what ${ver} is
19:16 < mnemoc_> for the kernel is is version + extraversion
19:16 * tcr brb
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19:16 < daja77> $root/lib/modules/${ver}${extraver}/build
19:16 < daja77> $extraver could be empty in usual cases and modified from other packages
19:17 < clifford> hmmm. aybe adding a simple make-target for printing the current version information and using this would be a solution..
19:18 < daja77> you mean that $ver gets updated during kernel build?
19:18 < mnemoc_> that would help rock to know what version kernel is using...
19:19 < mnemoc_> but what about multiple patching?
19:19 < daja77> mnemoc_: what patches you used did change the extraversion?
19:20 < mnemoc_> -rc1-ben10-ctx17-rthal5
19:20 < mnemoc_> -rc1-ben10-ctx17-rthal5-rock ;) forgot that laste one
19:20 < daja77> hehe nice
19:20 < clifford> why not?
19:20 < daja77> ahem no I like the idea
19:21 < mnemoc_> daja77: ipvs, [ rsbac, ctx17, grsecurity]
19:21 < mnemoc_> to do that we should patch the patches to append instead of replace
19:22 < daja77> that wouldn't be the problem
19:22 * Mike1 np: Linking Park - Crawling
19:22 < mnemoc_> if the 'cream' of the patches are compatible it would be easy
19:23 < mnemoc_> cliff: lx_patches for roc's officials and patchfiles for not officials? or lx_patches for compressed and patchfiles for extracted?
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19:27 < daja77> clifford: apart from would you be interested to have such a target in the official tree
19:27 < daja77> form that d'oh
19:28 < clifford> lx_patches for stuf that is downloaded by scripts/Download.
19:28 < clifford> daja77: sure.
19:28 < daja77> weee that'll be fun
19:29 < daja77> the thing is I'm a bit under pressure to get it ready cos we need it for a project
19:30 < mnemoc> daja77: there are 'tools' linked to that patch? what i do is apply the patch when the 'tools' are selected for building having the package disabled by default.
19:30 < daja77> mnemoc: I don't get you, explain
19:31 < mnemoc> daja77: take a look to lvs, vserver and rsbac pacakges from my repos.
19:31 < mnemoc> to use ... 'rsbac' i need to patch the kernel AND install a couple of tools in the system
19:32 < mnemoc> i do a package for the tools
19:32 < mnemoc> and using parse-config i append the patch and it's enabler to linux24*
19:32 < daja77> ack
19:33 < mnemoc> but.. if there are no tools it could be the documentatio n;-)
19:34 < mnemoc> my idea is avoid tagert's dependency... i mean... easyly use it in many targets
19:34 < mnemoc> or a generic with pkgsel
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19:34 < mnemoc> cliff: please tell me if i'm doing wrong
19:34 < mnemoc> now i'll go to lunch... cu
19:34 < daja77> mnemoc: ahem yes it is planned to work like that have to move some config stuff and you could use realtime stuff with every target
19:35 < daja77> mnemoc: happy meal ;)
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19:35 -!- thalerim is now known as tcr
19:35 < tcr> Sorry for hopping.. had some misunderstandings with my brother
19:36 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-160-246.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:36 < _NULL_> hi capchaos
19:36 < capchaos> hi Owly
19:37 < daja77> clifford: I could do some hacks to get it running, releasing it as tarball only, until there is a cleaner way to do it?
19:38 < clifford> daja77: sound like the best solution (but don't expect the hacked version to be applied in my tree).
19:39 < daja77> clifford: I don't, just need a realtime enabled distribution ready in 2 weeks ;)
19:40 < clifford> i see...  ;)
19:40 < daja77> we can merge later
19:41 * daja77 still looking for a place to put the rtai rock isos on the net
19:42 < Mike1> daja77: ask LocalHero to host them..
19:42 < daja77> ah thx Mike1
19:46 * daja77 redoin checkout and starting build tonight
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19:56 < daja77> hmm need to hack anyway cos no newer kernel is supported than 2.4.20 :(
19:58 < Mike1> hi ringo78
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20:16 < tcr> Enterprise time! ;)
20:16 < Mike1> :P
20:17 < tcr> daja77: where are you? Not in star trek mood? C'm on!
20:17 < Mike1> daja77: release the beast and come back.
20:18 < daja77> tcr: switched tv on
20:18 < daja77> Mike1: ??
20:18 < Mike1> daja77: just bothering you :)
20:19 < daja77> you know that my sources are at work
20:19 < Mike1> :)
20:23 < ringo78> hi Mike1. afk watching "The net".
20:23 < Mike1> ringo78: have fun.
20:24 < ringo78> thanks Mike1
20:35 * daja77 wants to have a pizza
20:36 < tcr> Then order one ;)
20:36 < daja77> hehe know I'll just put one into the microwave oven
20:37 < daja77> s/know/no/g
20:37 < tcr> Wagner pizza?
20:37 < daja77> yeah
20:37 < tcr> Or what do you have there in the province ;)
20:38 < daja77> muhahaha province, as you would live in a metroplois
20:38 < daja77> metropolis
20:38 < tcr> Never claimed that, I just live in a more clivisated area ;)
20:39 < daja77> mainz wie es singt und lacht (civilization?)
20:40 < tcr> Well, I don't live directly there... Mainz is quite near to the border between anciently cilivisated area and barbaric province ;)
20:40 < tcr> Yeah, I'm talking about the Rhine
20:41 < tcr> Bac kwatching star trek
20:41 < daja77> this region was civilized by slavish people...
20:42 < mnemoc> have you been civilized?
20:43 < tcr> daja77: And you consider that as a progress of civilizing?! ;) Buh!
20:46 < tcr> mnemoc: We're merly joking around a bit ;) Though I don
20:46 < tcr> 't except you to understand anything, as you're apparantly coming from south america
20:46 < tcr> expect
20:46 < daja77> mnemoc: me never ;)
20:47 < kasc> clifford: still there?
20:52 < clifford> kasc: yup.
21:01 < kasc> clifford: did my patch for cleaning up the configure inconsistency got lost?
21:02 < kasc> in case it will reappear, pls dont apply it as my multibuild.patch includes it.
21:04 < clifford> It still was in my "patches to apply" box. I've removed it now.
21:06 < kasc> not applying it but applying the smpeg patch should have broken smpeg
21:08 < clifford> so - what should I do know?
21:08 < kasc> if the multibuild.patch gets applied, everything is fine
21:08 < clifford> (I wanted already apply your patch today but have been interrupted)
21:08 < clifford> ok.
21:10 < kasc> hope that one is to you liking :)
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21:13 < senaxl> Huhu...
21:13 < kasc> huhu senaxl
21:13 < daja77> tcr: what a crap
21:14 < tcr> daja77: the episode?
21:14 < daja77> yeah
21:16 < tcr> daja77: Well.. actually yes, but it's star trek after all, so don't let's do blasphemy ;)
21:16 < tcr> There always crappy episodes in every series
21:17 < daja77> oh fine I'll do anther crap story label ist as startrek and themn everything is ok
21:18 < daja77> weee pizza ready
21:18 < tcr> Eh? Could you write that last sentence once again, please?
21:19 < clifford> kasc: all applied - there shouldn't be any pending patches from you now..
21:19 < kasc> thx
21:21 < daja77> os sorry , downloading rock and typing via ssh
21:22 < daja77> I just want to do acrappy tv shoow  label it as start trek and jhope I can get way with it
21:22 < tcr> clifford: Do you know https://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/patch-scripts-0.10/docco.txt ?
21:23 < tcr> Might be suited to you, though I think you have your own scripts ;)
21:25 < clifford> tcr: I've bookmarked it and read it later. I'm currently using a self-written script which simply applies the patches.
21:30 < LocalHero> Wow, sorry. LocalHero online :)
21:30 < LocalHero> Hmm, im trying to design a new homepage for the iso site
21:31 < LocalHero> What do you think about this
21:31 < LocalHero> https://beta.hightech.nu
21:34 < tcr> Hmm
21:34 < LocalHero> Ups, looked rather strange in mozilla :)
21:35 < tcr> Huh? I'm using mozilla
21:37 < LocalHero> Oki, fixed
21:39 < LocalHero> Heh, the page doesnt contain anything yet but heh, Is the design, better or worse?
21:41 < blindcoder> hmm... I kind of like it
21:42 < tcr> Well, if I was you, I'd think about the layout/design of the main rock site -- and once that stands, you should design the iso site appropriately
21:42 < LocalHero> blindcoder, i got the ide from varius sites
21:42 < LocalHero> tcr, the iso site is alreade designed as the main site :). https://iso.rocklinux.de
21:44 < tcr> LocalHero: Yeah, but there are some voices that it should be replaced with another, more intuitive and clearer - whatever - design
21:44 < LocalHero> tcr.. Hmm, oki, so you think i should wait untill that is seattled? Hmm, oki, that might be a good ide
21:45 < blindcoder> LocalHero: or contribute your design as an idea for redesign :)
21:46 < LocalHero> blindcoder, well, i dont think it is that good, and i borrowed some of the ides from distributed.net.. Note, i havent copied anything :-)
21:46 < tcr> LocalHero: You should rather try to find a new design for the main site (I don't think there at all any webdesigners on list, I personally can't even more than just some html tags)
21:47 < tcr> Never bothered to "learn" html
21:47 < LocalHero> tcr, well. Im not good at design but php, mysql powered sites are my speciality :)
21:48 < LocalHero> I could try to do some fancy scripts for the main site. What is requiered. Is everybody able to do their own pages right now?`
21:50 < tcr> afaik, clifford doesn't like php/mysql... Currently shell/sed-scripts are used, that're pushed via rsync
21:51 < LocalHero> tcr, ehh, hmm, oki, doesnt look like a nice thing to me
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21:51 < zer0_o> hi all =)
21:51 < clifford> "clifford doesn't like php/mysql" is not true. I'm e.g. webmaster and cto of www.diestartseite.at - guess what is driving the page - it's not shell and sed...
21:52 < LocalHero> Ahh, Somebody wooke up :)
21:52 < tcr> Not? ;)
21:53 < LocalHero> The problem with the iso site is that it is to huge. Now in number of html pages but in how much information you can get into a page
21:54 < tcr> Well, the reason is more or less secondary anyway; and I can remember that you once spoke against it, or does my memory make some bad fool of me?
21:54 < LocalHero> I also think it lacks of a navigation menu
21:55 < tcr> LocalHero: Certainly. But you should use trees, rather then just buttons with generic terms
21:56 < LocalHero> tcr, thats true, but i dont think that would be a problem to add :)
21:57 < zer0_o> is there a nice nfs browser ?
21:59 < tcr> zer0_o: Er? every normal file browser should be able to do browse directories that're mounted via nfs
22:01 < zer0_o> tcr, i ment, something like xsmbrowser for smb protocoll.. but i can mount it by hand.. if it's nessecary ..
22:04 < blindcoder> g'n8
22:05 < zer0_o> gn8 blindy
22:07 < LocalHero> hmm, i wounder how many sublevels a site would have. I think 2 is a good start :).. Check https://beta.hightech.nu
22:08 < kasc> gn8 all
22:09 < zer0_o> LocalHero: why is your nick so ? :) sounds you helped with something great in your town ;)
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22:16 < LocalHero> zer0_o, Hehe, dont know, Just an old joke. The mighty localhero returns
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22:17 < LocalHero> Think it looks rather qute
22:17 < LocalHero> https://beta.hightech.nu/default.php?p=menu/About/About.php
22:17 < Mike1> re
22:17 < LocalHero> Mike1 hi :)
22:17 < Mike1> :)
22:18 < LocalHero> Mike1, Im redesigning the iso site. What do you think?
22:19 < zer0_o> tcr, i have a thinking-problem with configuring nfs, if i mount a nfs-voulume from a server and i reboot this server after i mounted, then i have to restart nfs-client, how can i do that automatically? is it the best way, to choose cron for that ? or how would you solve that ?
22:20 < zer0_o> or anyone ?
22:20 < zer0_o> hi Mike1
22:20 < Mike1> hi zer0_o
22:20 < Mike1> momment please
22:21 < Mike1> LocalHero: #  Development 1.5 Tree
22:21 < Mike1> The 1.5 tree (maintained by Andreas Huebner <huebi@stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de>) will soon become the 1.6 stable tree.
22:21 < Mike1> change that, The 1.5 tree is no longer been maintainer or developed, as stated by Clifford on a mail some days ago
22:22 < LocalHero> Mike1, uhh? Ahh, now i see. HMm, well i just grabbed some text from the main site to get the idee of how it looked. You shouldnt read the text, just look at the design or somehting
22:22 < Mike1> the design looks nice :)
22:23 < clifford> Aerrrm... clifford didn't update the original webpage eighter... (it's on my todo)
22:23 < mnemoc> LocalHero: try to include an internationalization method ;)
22:23 < Mike1> mnemoc: you are reading my mind
22:24 < mnemoc> rocklinux.cr?
22:24 < Mike1> clifford: btw it is a definitive fact that no php will be allowed for the site?
22:24 < Mike1> mnemoc: don't think so :), but could be
22:24 < Mike1> what we need is webpage internationalization
22:25 < Mike1> the work to get spanish stuff is nearly finished, but we need people contributing on other langs as well
22:25 < clifford> No - it's somthing I'd prefer. However: the CMS could use PHP. But I'd prefer if the page itself would be static so we can continue using the mirrors.
22:25 < mnemoc> mirrors can't be updated to support php?
22:26 < daja77> re
22:26 < Mike1> clifford: mmm..
22:26 < Mike1> clifford: anyways would it be ok to have links for other languages?
22:27 < Mike1> clifford: btw my ROCK i18n is not an official project, what do you think about it?
22:27 < clifford> mnemoc: That's (1) a security problem and (2) we would also need to mirror the backend (sql database, etc).
22:27 < mnemoc> would be great to have the same site in multi-language ... include staff in the proper language using something on the querystring
22:27 < Mike1> i just realized you owe a reply to mail regarding this as well :)
22:28 < LocalHero> I could add international support if somebody likes it. Hmm, at the moment i dont have any mysql connection on the site so doing rsync would not be a problem aslong as the remote server supports php
22:28 < mnemoc> clifford: i didn't mean a database... can be mor .. rock's stlyle ... a textfile-database or xml
22:29 < mnemoc> the needing of a databa IS a restriction for mirrors, but i think php not
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22:31 < Mike1> mnemoc: lets just let everyone send mail to clifford in othe rlanguages like spanish, french and italian, even portugues
22:31 * Mike1 grings :))
22:31 < Mike1> -g
22:31 < clifford> Mike1: the problem with 18n is not the backend or translating stuff - it's the management tools requirend to keep the translations in sync with the original text.
22:31 < Mike1> LocalHero: maybe you could come up with some ideas for the new design, i belive that we should have a standard look for all rock reltaed pages
22:31 < LocalHero> Well, Ehh, hmm, im kind of confused now. Well, i see what i will do to the iso site. I dont know what the timeplan would be to redesign the whole site but maybe i could try to use the iso archive as a beta thing. It would be nice thue to have all the pages looking the same
22:31 < Mike1> clifford: yes indeed, what we have been doingis keeping a copy of the last translated doc, so we can find the changed stuff on the new one
22:31 < Mike1> clifford: it very crappy i think but what else can be done?
22:31 < daja77> mnemoc: what do you need php for?
22:31 < LocalHero> What does all the mirrors have at a minimum?
22:32 < n00kie> Holla Mike1 :))
22:32 < LocalHero> Hmm, i think the project should wait on adding international support until 2.0 is out and realy is stable. If we add to much we will never have a 2.0
22:32 < Mike1> clifford: international support is something we should be looking forward to, but there is also the fact that not much people is contributing, maybe because not much people knows about it
22:32 < mnemoc> daja77: can be perl... something that gives dynamisim to the site
22:32 < Mike1> hola n00kie
22:33 < n00kie> :)
22:33 < Mike1> LocalHero: what does internationalization yhave to do with code?
22:33 < Mike1> LocalHero: it is just about adding documents, and it will not change anything but the size of the rock src thats all
22:33 < daja77> mnemoc: it doesn't neccessarily have to be dynamic unless you want to have a form or something like that
22:34 < daja77> forum
22:34 < mnemoc> daja77: i hate forums :(
22:34 < LocalHero> Mike1, if we cant keep the main site up to date today (and also the rock docs) do you think we can do it in several languages?
22:34 * daja77 too
22:35 < daja77> so what would be the dynamic part then?
22:35 < Mike1> clifford: PJ and i would really like to see internationalization in rock, but in the end you have the last word, please tell me if you want us to continue on this or if we should leave it as is... i wouldn't like to put my effords and others doing something that will not be used.
22:35 < mnemoc> i was thinking in some more rock-alike... file based and powered by include ;)
22:35 < Mike1> LocalHero: and what exactly does it have to do with 2.0 release?
22:36 < LocalHero> Mike1, uhhm, nothing :)
22:36 < mnemoc> if filebased we could update it's brach by patches
22:36 < Mike1> LocalHero: with the proper team, this is possible, at least i know that spanish could be synced with english site without any problem
22:37 < Mike1> but once again the idea of "delegation of tasks" comes to my mind..
22:37 < mnemoc> one 'new' one file... sorted by date, etc.
22:37 < clifford> Mike1: I think at the moment there are not many people who would be using it. E.g. my mother language is german - but I would never install or use a Linux with a german locale enabled or read the german translation of a documentation. And I think that 98% of all current ROCK Linux users do share this opinion.
22:38 < netrunner_> has anyone ever mentioned the idea of a wiki-based project page?
22:38 < Mike1> clifford: ack, but our comunity could grow if we had internationalization
22:38 < daja77> netrunner_: you can read my thoughts
22:39 < mnemoc> clifford: german/austrian people lives with english as a second language... we don't
22:39 < Mike1> netrunner_: Anders Karlsson and i used to have a wiki page back in the 1.5 days
22:40 < Mike1> clifford: english is not exactly a well spoken language in central and south america
22:41 < Mike1> and the same happens in othe rparts of the world, but as i said before, it is all up to you, to the ideas you have for getting mor epeople involved in rock (if this is wanted), and simply its all about your personal vision for rock
22:41 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M318P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Damn, wrong button.")
22:41 < netrunner_> mike1: why has it been discarded?
22:41 < Mike1> clifford: if you think the i18n is a waste of time, please say it so, so we abort it and work on other things.
22:42 < mnemoc> and.. one issue is to use a linux in english or local language.. and a different issue is to read news and documentation in a totaly foreign language
22:42 < netrunner_> daja77: not quite ;) but I use wikis for some time now and think they're quite useful - and it really works (surprisingly) :)
22:42 < clifford> So - what do you want to do? Adding gettext ( $"..." ) to the admin scripts and adding locale files as well as translating the documentation and webspace?
22:43 < Mike1> netrunner_: because 1) it was never official, but part of the porting gnome2 project back in august 2002, 2) we didn't had much time for working on it, and indeed stopped working on the project.
22:43 < daja77> *argh* I hope not
22:43 -!- tcr [~tobrit@p5081394D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:43 < mnemoc> i don't mean on-the-fly translation... i mean translated by people
22:44 < LocalHero> mnemoc, wow, yeah, on the fly would be nice. I could donate a supercomputer that does that :)
22:44 < mnemoc> :|
22:44 < Mike1> clifford: how do you think that all other projects have pages and docs in several languages, including GNU...?
22:44 < daja77> anyone ever tried to build 18n kernels, what a crap
22:44 < LocalHero> Wow, look i added an uggly background to the site :)
22:44 < mnemoc> bad use of 'on-the-fly'
22:44 < netrunner_> mike: but the advance of a wiki is that everybody can easily contribute ... to docs or whatever. it would not only be you or few people.
22:45 < Mike1> LocalHero: donate the supercomputer to me :)
22:45 < clifford> gentoo doesn't... (btw)
22:46 < Mike1> netrunner_: perhaps you are right, but yet again we would require to have something like "wiki.rocklinux.org"
22:46 < zer0_o> i have the following problem: client mounts server nfs-volumues, server reboots, client lost the mount... how can i get automatically the connection back?
22:46 < Mike1> clifford: how is this done by gentoo?
22:46 < Mike1> clifford: OT: why are we always comparing to gentoo?
22:46 < netrunner_> mike1: and then comes the mirror problem - you can hardly mirror a wiki.
22:47 < clifford> I don't know - others started this "comparing rock with gentoo" thing...
22:47 < Mike1> netrunner_: exactly, this is why said we would need a "wiki.rocklinux.org" as it won't be possible to have mirrors of this.
22:47 < Mike1> clifford: i oftenly hear questions regarding gentoo this but rock this, it really annoys me
22:48 < daja77> but gentoo has nothing in commen with rocklinux
22:48 < mnemoc> a php/perl microengine to include files is easyly mirroreable
22:48 < Mike1> daja77: thats why get pissed off.
22:48 < Mike1> +I
22:48 < daja77> mnemoc: again what do you need php/perl for?
22:48 < daja77> ä
22:49 < mnemoc> to include staff transparently
22:49 < mnemoc> to generate the main page, etc.
22:50 < Mike1> netrunner_: even if we had someone willing to have a wiki for rocklinux (perhaps you?) this would have to discussed with Clifford and the others to comeup to a desition, maybe you would like to write an email to the rlml and justify why would we want / need a wiki, to hear others and come up to such desition, clifford?
22:50 < LocalHero> Hmm, well if you have looked at the "beta" iso site i use a engine script that i parse everything throu. We could add some flags at the top. For example a british and a swedish :).. And then we could extend my html dir by files ending with .se.php for sweden or .de.php and take an md5 sum against the real english one
22:51 < daja77> mnemoc: sorry this is bullshit, you only need to generate static pages once, if someon e changes things a script adds these changeand it will be fine
22:51 < LocalHero> And Wahoo, we have an international site that shows the pages that has "swedish" in swedish and if it hasent been translated it shows the english one :)
22:52 < mnemoc> daja77: now is static and outdated, how can we solve that?
22:52 < netrunner_> mike1: I am indeed willing to contribute, but first I work to get at least one unit at home to run rock. then I'll probably seen enough to contribute :)
22:52 < Mike1> LocalHero: it would require more than md5 stuff, it would required "manual" search for changes in order to keep the documents alike
22:52 < Mike1> netrunner_: so what is stopping you from running rock at home?
22:52 < daja77> mnemoc: simply adding php doesn't change anything oif nobody is commiting stuff
22:53 < LocalHero> Mike1, well some fancy scripts that scanned for changes every night and sends mail "diffs" to the "translation team"
22:53 < mnemoc> daja77: full ack
22:53 < LocalHero> daja77, well it could change one thing. If it is possible to send things in it would at least be a chance that someone does it :)
22:54 < netrunner_> mike1: as I realized after 2 angry days: a malfunctional sdram (one of two. now building fine on one since this morning)
22:54 < mnemoc> daja77: how can we do people commit stuff.. and get included
22:54 < Mike1> LocalHero: hear yes of course, but first we need the "translation team", and see if Clifford will allow us to move forward witht his.. clifford?
22:54 < LocalHero> Mike1, ahh, hmm, well if everything is up to him then it is like that :)
22:55 < netrunner_> mike1: the build I started last month stopped because the hdd broke. :(  ... well, I still do not see connections between rock and my defects :)
22:55 < Mike1> netrunner_: lost of fun building then :)
22:55 < daja77> mnemoc: only if they get write acces with php or without it is the same deal
22:55 < Mike1> netrunner_: so it is like the 7 plagues huh?
22:55 < LocalHero> Mike1, i think i will switch the iso site without waiting for the main site to change. I want to do it this year :)
22:56 < Mike1> LocalHero: i will help you then on i18n for your site.
22:56 < LocalHero> Wy do we need so many mirrors by the way. My old p133 would be enough for hosting the whole thing :)
22:56 < netrunner_> mike1: somehow. but it's not _that_ easy to deter me :)
22:56 < LocalHero> Mike1, we could ad international things to the iso site :)
22:56 < Mike1> netrunner_: good :)
22:57 < Mike1> LocalHero: i would like to see your old p133 taking all the load average that our mirrors take
22:58 < Mike1> LocalHero: also there is the fact of the package mirrors, your 100mb connection would die very quickly if it was the only one.
22:58 < LocalHero> Mike1, whats the load avrage then. I hardly have any on the iso site
22:58 < Mike1> LocalHero: well :)
22:59 * Mike1 wonders where is clifford ...
22:59 < daja77> hidig from the spanish invasion in his project *g*
22:59 < LocalHero> Mike1, i dont know what the load is on the main site but html is not a heavy thing to serv. It least if the page is static
22:59 < mnemoc> :)
23:00 < Mike1> LocalHero: it would be a matter os discussion :)
23:00 < Mike1> LocalHero: it would be a matter os discussion :)
23:01 < daja77> the double mike eh
23:01 < Mike1> daja77: so whats the big deal about spanish? soon or late he has to learn it anyways :P
23:01 < daja77> hehehe
23:01 < LocalHero> Anyway. I didnt come here to start a revolution. I came here to see what you thought about the new iso site? Do you think i should continue?
23:02 < Mike1> LocalHero: yes.
23:02 < Mike1> :)
23:03 < Mike1> LocalHero: you should become a revolutionary :)
23:04 < mnemoc> LocalHero: sure
23:06 < LocalHero> Hmm, here is my avrage load by the way
23:06 < LocalHero> 1:18am  up 74 days,  4:45,  1 user,  load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.09
23:06 < clifford> I'll go offline now. cu gang.
23:06 -!- clifford [~clifford@M093P006.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting")
23:06 < Mike1> mm..
23:07 < mnemoc> static remains for ever :(
23:07 < Mike1>  3:01pm  up 351 days,  5:18,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
23:08 < LocalHero> I think almost all of the isos are downloaded from my site and still not heavily loaded
23:08 < LocalHero> 351 days, ahh, hope it kraches before 356 :)
23:09 < Mike1> LocalHero: don't bet on it :)
23:09 < Mike1> LocalHero: anyways thats not my highest uptime :)
23:09 < mnemoc> LocalHero: 'ping' time is not much important for downloading... but is crucial for websites
23:10 * Mike1 ready to run a new build on his latest smp box here, 3x2400mhz
23:10 < mnemoc> :o
23:11 < Mike1> xeons...
23:11 < Mike1> mnemoc: yes abit faster than your build box... :PP
23:11 < daja77> Mike1: have fun ;)
23:11 < Mike1> daja77: belive me _I_DO_
23:12 < daja77> heh sure
23:12 < mnemoc> my build box will break sha1
23:13 < Mike1> 0_o
23:13 < Mike1> [mike@nemesis Informatica]$ ssh -l mike cvs.rocklinux.de
23:13 < Mike1> ssh: connect to address 80.65.41.131 port 22: No route to host
23:21 < LocalHero> mnemoc,, hmm, what pingtime does pople have to the iso site?
23:21 < LocalHero> just interesting
23:21 < Mike1> 64 bytes from oggy.lunds.lu.se (194.47.210.41): icmp_seq=1 ttl=35 time=193 ms
23:22 < mnemoc> 64 bytes from oggy.lunds.lu.se (194.47.210.41): icmp_seq=0 ttl=39 time=246.665 msec
23:22 < LocalHero> Thats rather high :(
23:23 < mnemoc> imagine a loaded website
23:23 < Mike1> *g
23:24 < LocalHero> mnemoc, well the site has some load already. Well, when i upgrade my computer i will probably replace the iso computer aswell :)
23:24 < mnemoc> great ;-)
23:25 < Mike1> LocalHero: will you sponsor me a supercomputer btw? :)
23:25 < Mike1> or mnemoc :)
23:25 < mnemoc> Mike1 you have a 3x2400 xeon
23:25 < mnemoc> i have a p200/64
23:25 < Mike1> mnemoc: well i always try to get top quality stuff :)
23:26 < mnemoc> i can see that
23:26 < mnemoc> hyperthreading?
23:26 < Mike1> :)
23:27 < LocalHero> Mike1 3 processors? I thought they came with 1x 2x or 4x?
23:28 < Mike1> LocalHero: its an ibm server...
23:28 < Mike1> LocalHero: and yup it has 3..
23:28 < LocalHero> Mike1, maybe its time to get some sponsors to the project
23:28 < LocalHero> Mike1, nice
23:28 < Mike1> LocalHero: don't ask me i just have remote access, and this is what /proc/cpuinfo says
23:30 < LocalHero> It would be nice with a quadro opteron :)
23:31 < LocalHero> Arrgh, maybe i should upgrade the iso site. It takes like looong time to do the stat update :(
23:32 < Mike1> mm..
23:33 < daja77> LocalHero: maybe I can give soem isos next week
23:34 < daja77> ive you
23:34 < daja77> *argL*
23:35 * Mike1 points daja77 with his water pistol, and shoots... 
23:35 < Mike1> wake up :)
23:35 < daja77> I am not sleepy just have a damn slow connectuoin
23:35 < Mike1> daja77: how come?
23:35 < daja77> that's why I can't type as you can see
23:36 < daja77> downloading rock packages
23:36 < Mike1> daja77: what connection do you have?
23:37 < daja77> isdn
23:37 < Mike1> mm.. ok
23:39 < LocalHero> daja77, ahh, nice
23:39 * daja77 waits for the downloads to finish to start a buold before goin to bed
23:39 < Mike1> daja77: why would you need / want to go to bed?
23:40 < LocalHero> Its kind of funny. I who at the moment dont build isos have the connection to download everything but dont. Those who develope only have isdn :)
23:40 < daja77> LocalHero: realtime rock ;)
23:40 < daja77> LocalHero: don't worry will upload from work's t1 connection  ;)
23:40 < mnemoc> daja77: how is rtai pacakge going?
23:41 < daja77> Mike1: good question, the girl I wann have there with me isn't here
23:41 < Mike1> daja77: so there is no sence.
23:42 < daja77> mnemoc: it fails building and crashed the kernel build *g*
23:42 < mnemoc> do a patch for cleaning EXTRAVERSION of Makefile and appendit to patchfiles just after yours
23:43 * daja77 talked about this with clifford, remember
23:43 < daja77> yeah I'll fix it, on monday
23:43 < mnemoc> :)
23:47 < daja77> *yawn*
23:47 < Mike1> daja77: stop yawning and fix rtai!
23:47 < Mike1> *vbeg*
23:48 < daja77> don't tease me with that, it gives me the creeps
23:48 < Mike1> fine, sorry.
23:48 * Mike1 shutting the f*ck up.
23:49 < daja77> hehe, I don't believe it for a second
23:50 * daja77 is bidding for an alpha on ebay
23:50 < daja77> Alpha Server1200 533MHz/256MB/16GB SCSI #9132
23:51 < LocalHero> ahh nice
23:51 < LocalHero> how much?
23:51 < daja77> 107 Euro at the moment
23:51 < LocalHero> thats nice
23:51 < LocalHero> Where is it located?
23:52 < daja77> oh shit no, I'm out, 203 Euro
23:52 < LocalHero> jikes?
23:52 < daja77> Germany
23:53 < daja77> no
23:55 < daja77> someone kicked me out in soe minutes I guess he needs that machine so badly , I have no chance
23:55 < LocalHero> Do you have a link for it?
23:56 -!- george [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:57 < daja77> https://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=8074&item=3021915781&rd=1
23:58 < daja77> well gonna clean up the kitchen until these borung downloads have finished
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