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--- Log opened Thu Jun 19 00:00:08 2003 --- Day changed Thu Jun 19 2003 00:00 < daja77> gn8 you all 00:02 < Mike1> n8 daja77 00:07 < mnemoc> n8 daja 00:07 < Mike1> mnemoc: so what kind of hardware you gonna get? 00:08 < mnemoc> get? .... hard 00:08 < Mike1> mnemoc: you said you would change hardware 00:08 < mnemoc> i'll try to get a vmware or like in a p2 00:08 < Mike1> i see 00:08 < mnemoc> i said i need to change hardware 00:09 < Mike1> ah ok 00:09 < mnemoc> the whole place is sponsored by microsoft :| 00:09 < Mike1> mm... 00:09 < Mike1> so cheat :) 00:09 < mnemoc> so connectix' virtual pc (now MS Virtual pc) could be the choice 00:09 < Mike1> mm... 00:09 < mnemoc> cheat or shit? ;) 00:10 < Mike1> cheat ... (has trampa) 00:10 < mnemoc> i know... jk ;) 00:10 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M271P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:10 < mnemoc> i 'can' hiddenly use abandon hardware to linux 00:11 < mnemoc> i'm there to code :( 00:11 < Mike1> so run win on a vmware to code 00:11 < mnemoc> hehehe 00:11 < Mike1> :) 00:12 < Mike1> tell them you needed a stable os.. 00:12 < Mike1> :) 00:13 < mnemoc> they 'think' i need *those* linux to vpn, but vpn is provided by the PIX 00:13 < Mike1> hehe :) 00:14 < Mike1> fsck the PIX, use linux 00:14 < Aard> 00:17 -eerdferk(~bwachter@aardchat.net)- User faul, level 200, pattern 00:14 < Aard> immo@*.wlan.faul.bundessicherheitsministerium.de added and informed! 00:14 < Aard> arg, wrong window 00:14 < Mike1> Aardvark? 00:14 < mnemoc> Mike1: just imagine that p-mmx doing ipsec AND builing rock 00:15 < Aard> Mike1: wrong window. needed M e, but pressed M 3 00:15 < mnemoc> Aard: 'cute' domain 00:15 < Mike1> mnemoc: so tell them the mmx is not enough for the ipsec :) 00:15 < Mike1> Aard: hehe, wie gehts? 00:15 < Aard> mnemoc: not mine :( 00:16 < Aard> Mike1: muede. hab vorher 6h geschlafen :) 00:16 < Mike1> :) 00:21 * A-Tui is away: Aunque todo esté perdido, siempre queda molestar... 00:33 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090937A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:07 -!- Ge0rG [~georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:24 < SMP> hmm 02:26 < Mike1> hi SMP :) 02:35 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9522377.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 03:03 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 03:44 < mnemoc> Mike1: will you publicly provide minimal-i386's iso? 03:45 < mnemoc> or 'just for known ppl'? 03:51 -!- Ge0rG [~georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 06:32 -!- laksboy [~laksboy@va-salem3b-65.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:32 -!- laksboy [~laksboy@va-salem3b-65.chvlva.adelphia.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 06:34 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:34 < holyolli> moin 06:35 < mnemoc> moin 06:41 < holyolli> hi mnemoc 06:42 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@www.digital-dictators.de] has quit ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 07:15 < SMP> anyone with a beta4 or later build around? 07:28 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M281P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 07:44 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M271P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:01 -!- papy[boulot] [~Fabrice@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 09:10 < daja77> moin 09:11 -!- papy[boulot] is now known as Auzain 09:11 < Auzain> moinmoin 09:11 < daja77> hi Auzain 09:12 < Auzain> I hope today I can download the second iso of drock... 09:13 < Auzain> yesterday I was disconnected, then gewitter(?) 09:13 < daja77> lightening 09:13 < Auzain> grrr 09:14 < Auzain> yes (must remember enlightenment) 09:14 < daja77> hehe 09:15 < Auzain> they who tested it, are enjoy, you know what about? 09:16 < daja77> after rene fixed them perhaps ;-) 09:18 < Auzain> good boy rxr :-) 09:20 < daja77> Auzain: do you come to Linuxtag? 09:25 * daja77 off now, cu 09:55 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M281P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:55 < SMP> arrrgh, stupid glibc folks §/%%=)"! 09:58 < blindcoder> moin all! 10:01 < blindcoder> "I too would play nethack while waiting, but Gentoo only has the X11 version" 10:01 < blindcoder> erm... no further comment :D 10:34 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M281P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:03 -!- Robin_Root [Emix@ppp-56-234.29-151.libero.it] has joined #rocklinux 11:09 < Robin_Root> Hi! 11:15 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rxr 11:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 11:25 < Robin_Root> Well bye 11:25 -!- Robin_Root [Emix@ppp-56-234.29-151.libero.it] has left #rocklinux () 11:33 < rxr> re 11:36 < netrunner> moin 11:43 < n00kie> Hola rxr, netrunner 11:45 -!- Freak [freak@p508B2D95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:46 < morrighan> 7N 11:47 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:16 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 12:23 < Freak> can I in a way build rock for ppc on x86? 12:25 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p508018AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:35 -!- mnemoc [~mnemoc@200.75.27.2] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:38 < esden> good morning everyone ;-) 12:43 < netrunner> hi esden 12:52 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M281P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:57 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:16 < daja77> moin 13:21 < daja77> wtf three isos for rtrock 13:45 < netrunner> argl 13:46 * netrunner is desperately trying to get a foreigner here. those guys at the embassy eat crap ./ 13:47 < daja77> ?? 13:47 < daja77> brb 13:52 < Auzain> daja77: why don't I find drock download page? 13:56 < Auzain> links are always changing, today ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/unstable/ 13:57 < Auzain> i hope it's the last time I try downloading this iso %-p 13:58 < daja77> Auzain: ask rxr 13:59 * Auzain weint 13:59 < Auzain> ne weinnt? 13:59 < Auzain> weihnt ? 13:59 < daja77> weint war richtig, aber warum 14:00 < Auzain> die 2. cd werde ich nie bekommen... 14:00 < daja77> achso weil rxr auf beta5 gewechselt hat? 14:01 < Auzain> ich hatte angefangen sie von etwas-berlin.de 14:01 < daja77> gsmp.tfh-berln.de ? 14:02 < Auzain> ja 14:04 < daja77> und wo ist das problem= 14:04 < daja77> ? 14:04 < daja77> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/2.0.0-beta4+fixes/ 14:05 < Auzain> hab nix bekommen 14:06 < Auzain> ja da bin ich jetzt, war ein langer weg, die links in rocklinux sind bizar 14:06 < Auzain> musste uber rock-src 14:06 < Auzain> unter drock ist nur ne fast lehre seite 14:09 < daja77> was ist mit dem link, den ich eben geschickt habe, geht jedenfalls von hier aus 14:10 * daja77 waiting for rolla to complain 14:11 < Auzain> wenn man drock aufruft von der startseite geht's hier hin https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html, und dan? 14:13 < daja77> klick einfach auf den link, den ich dir angegeben habe 14:16 < daja77> crap linux25 doesn't compile in rev 561 14:17 < daja77> gefunden? 14:18 < netrunner> daja77: it does not for a while now... 14:19 < daja77> *argl* why do we need this 2.5 crap in stable anyway 14:19 < daja77> 2.5 is even selected for bootdisk *puke* 14:20 < daja77> I had a working 2.5 package already, damn that this build died due filesystem errors 14:20 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 14:20 < LocalHero> Hi all 14:20 < daja77> hey LocalHero 14:21 < LocalHero> daja77, whazup? 14:21 < daja77> I am cursing about beta6 14:23 < LocalHero> daja77, cursing? 14:23 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F32C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:23 < daja77> yes 2.5 package fails again, stealing cpu cycles, and shouldn't be in a stable release anyway 14:33 < daja77> damn kernel panic no init found, again this sucks 14:35 < Auzain> hab es gefunden, uber getting rock 14:35 < daja77> fine 14:36 < rolla> re 14:37 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 14:37 < daja77> hi rolla 14:37 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:41 < Freak> has there been any reply to my crosscompilation-question? 14:41 -!- Auzain [~Fabrice@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 14:44 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit () 14:54 < rolla> daja77: I am starting my build on my P4 today ;) 14:54 < daja77> beta6? 14:56 < rolla> ja 14:56 < daja77> good 14:56 < rolla> I am getting source right now 14:56 < daja77> have fun, or start cursing like me :) 14:56 < rolla> ? 14:57 < daja77> linux25 is borken 14:58 < rolla> bah 14:58 < rolla> that I don't care about yet 14:59 < daja77> hehe I know you disabled it anyway 14:59 < rolla> :) 14:59 < rolla> cause it is broken 14:59 < daja77> yeah but I don't know why it is in stable anyway 14:59 < rolla> only rxr knows for sure 15:00 < daja77> I'll ask him 15:00 < rolla> :) 15:01 < daja77> I already had a working linux25 package ... 15:14 * daja77 now burning rtrock isos 15:15 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M281P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 15:15 < daja77> hi n00kie 15:18 -!- tfing_ [tfing@dhcp-246-176.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:19 < daja77> msg for rolla 15:19 < daja77> == 06/19/03 15:20:25 =[7]=> Finished building package perl5. 15:19 < daja77> :) 15:23 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7BE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:24 * SMP too stupid to use choice in rockdialog 15:25 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M281P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:25 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:26 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7BE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4") 15:28 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M281P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 15:30 < daja77> Ge0rG: you here? 15:30 < daja77> SMP: ?? 15:36 -!- tfing_ [tfing@dhcp-246-176.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:38 < n00kie> Hi daja77 15:45 -!- tfing [tfing@dhcp-246-176.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:58 -!- tfing [tfing@dhcp-246-176.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:59 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@x1.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:01 < dreamind> Hi 16:06 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 16:18 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 16:19 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:21 < rxr> re 16:21 < daja77> re rxr 16:22 * daja77 installing rtrock right now :) 16:22 < rxr> a new svn is out ? 16:22 < rolla> == 04:22:25 =[0]=> Building base/linux24-header [2.4.21 2.0.0-beta6]. 16:24 < n00kie> wb rxr 16:25 < rolla> daja77: the build has started time to see how fast this P4 is ;) 16:25 < rxr> n00kie: I won't move stuff like apache or cups over (I maintain them) - but some of the rest you proposed can be moved over 16:25 < rxr> gkrellm*, too? 16:25 < rxr> (the -plugins thing) 16:25 < daja77> rolla: have fun 16:26 < n00kie> rxr: Alright, yes, you can add gkrellm-plugins too 16:27 < daja77> damn mirror detection 16:27 < rxr> daja77: why? The mirror detection should now using the new ROCK-20 mirro stuff 16:28 < rxr> daja77: doesn't it work ? 16:28 < daja77> rxr: why do we need 2.5.x in stable tree, and _why_ we need 2.5.x in bootdisk target? 16:28 < daja77> it works today surprisingly :) 16:29 < rxr> because it will become 2.6 stable in some months ... - and on some boxes it works weven better thtan 2.4 ... 16:29 < rxr> but you can select the default kernel ... 16:30 < daja77> 2.5 packages too often fails to compile ... 16:30 < daja77> but for bootdisk target? 16:30 < daja77> btw I hope that rock gets stable before 2.6 is out 16:31 < n00kie> yep daja77 16:33 < daja77> rxr: yes 0.24.2 is out 16:36 < rxr> daja77: rock 2.0 will be ready before linux 2.6 ... 16:36 < tfing> hopefully 16:36 < daja77> ;-) 16:36 < tfing> =] 16:37 < daja77> ah new mc included 16:43 < daja77> WEEE cd3 :) 16:44 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@x1.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit (":x") 16:46 < rxr> weee what ? 16:47 < daja77> just happy ... 16:48 < daja77> installing cd3 now, can't await it :) 16:48 < daja77> btw https://www.livejournal.com/community/linux/397771.html?thread=2531787 16:50 < Mike1> moin 16:50 < daja77> moin Mike1 16:51 < rxr> hi Mike1 16:52 < Mike1> Ren, Daniel :) 16:53 < Mike1> Ren, Daniel :) 16:53 < Mike1> .. 16:53 < daja77> Mike1: I am testing rtrock now :) 16:53 < Mike1> daja77: cool 17:00 < n00kie> hola mike :) 17:00 < Mike1> hola n00kie 17:00 < Mike1> :) 17:01 < Mike1> n00kie: so will you take some of rene's packages to make your own repos? 17:02 < n00kie> Yes :) 17:02 < daja77> brb finishing install 17:02 < n00kie> have fun, daja77 17:03 < Mike1> n00kie: excellent 17:03 < n00kie> Rene was so nice and asked me :) 17:03 < Mike1> ich weiss.. 17:03 < Mike1> :) 17:03 < daja77> waa wtf I got tons of unreslved symbols in every build 17:04 < Mike1> daja77: ? 17:04 < daja77> I got lots of unresolved symbols in kernel modules, in rock 17:05 < Mike1> m... this sucks.. 17:07 < daja77> wtf mkinitrd: command not found 17:08 < Mike1> daja77: are you trying to boot ur install cd for rtai target? 17:09 < daja77> hehe not trying, install already finished, for same strange reason mkinitrd is missing, no initrd as well 17:09 < daja77> maybe the new build script don't like my 2.4.20 kernel ... 17:10 < Mike1> mm.. 17:10 < Mike1> no idea, you didn't get any errors? 17:10 < Mike1> when building i mean 17:11 < daja77> lots ;-) 17:11 < Mike1> m... 17:12 < daja77> *argl* [9] base/glibc23 17:12 < daja77> is on errlist 17:12 < Mike1> daja77: no furter questions :) 17:13 < daja77> this sucks!!! 17:13 < Mike1> brb 17:17 * daja77 cries 17:17 < daja77> syntax errors in glibc compile *gnaaarf* 17:24 < daja77> how can I set a netmask with stone? 17:25 -!- papy[boulot] [~Fabrice@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 17:25 -!- papy[boulot] is now known as Auzain 17:25 < Auzain> re 17:26 -!- Auzain [~Fabrice@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Client Quit) 17:26 -!- papy[boulot] [~Auzain@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 17:27 -!- papy[boulot] is now known as Auzain 17:27 -!- Auzain [~Auzain@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Client Quit) 17:28 -!- Auzain [~Auzain@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 17:29 < Mike1> daja77: don you understand the 192.168.5.3/24 or so? 17:29 < Mike1> don't* 17:29 < Mike1> daja77: /24 for example = 255.255.255.0 17:30 < Mike1> daja77: /16 = 255.255.0.0 17:30 < Mike1> i think you got my idea 17:31 < daja77> ah damn yes, forgot that, edited network script to work with ifconfiog, d'oh 17:33 < Mike1> ! 17:33 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M281P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 17:35 < daja77> anyway my head is empty now, I donÄt even find that damn file where I can set which name resolution should be tried first 17:36 < Mike1> /etc/resolv.conf .. 17:37 < daja77> nah nsswitch.conf or so 17:38 * Mike1 uses /etc/resolv.conf to set dns.. 17:38 < daja77> *hmpf* experimental mc releases tend to crash very often 17:38 < Mike1> daja77: btw nsswitch.conf is also in /etc 17:38 < daja77> not here :( 17:39 < Mike1> daja77: then create it... 17:39 < daja77> :P 17:39 < daja77> yeah sure I know all that crap formats *grml* 17:40 < Mike1> daja77: there is google.. 17:40 < daja77> and there is redhat, on which I get such crap faster to work *hrhr* 17:41 < Mike1> daja77: well if you think you can't do it yourself, then sure install redhat 17:41 < Auzain> oh my god! 17:42 < Auzain> I have all 3 cds 17:42 < daja77> i don't say I can't do it, but it sucks that I have to do all this crap 17:42 < Mike1> Auzain: ? 17:42 < Mike1> daja77: patches are welcome you know... :) 17:42 < Auzain> if that will work... 17:42 < daja77> in fact i wanted to use rock to save time during install 17:42 < daja77> yeah sure, just don't ask me today 17:42 < Mike1> Auzain: sure it will work 17:43 < Auzain> I can believe it 17:43 < daja77> to some extend ;-) 17:43 < Mike1> daja77: come on man you are just pissed off, cool down 17:43 < Auzain> you know what: I'm happy :-) 17:43 < daja77> yes I am pissed, maybe I should just go home ... 17:44 < Mike1> Auzain: we are glad to hear that 17:44 < Mike1> daja77: take a shower :) 17:44 < Auzain> see you tomorrow 17:44 -!- Auzain [~Auzain@ANancy-103-1-1-250.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 17:49 < daja77> anybody else problems with glibc compile? 17:52 < Mike1> no. 17:52 < Mike1> :P 17:52 < daja77> *scheisse* 17:57 < daja77> ok name resolution works now 17:57 < Mike1> und glibc? 17:57 < Mike1> *ggg* 17:58 < daja77> glibc still fails to compile, somehow it made it to the system anyway 17:59 < daja77> I'll go home now, work on this box tomorrow 17:59 < Mike1> ok 17:59 < daja77> sorry for the inconvience 17:59 < Mike1> np :) 17:59 < Mike1> sorry for teasing you :P 17:59 < daja77> :P 18:06 < rolla> ugh 18:07 < Mike1> hi rolla 18:08 < rolla> hello 18:08 * rolla hates viruses 18:08 < rolla> == 06:08:45 =[2]=> Building base/binutils [2.14.90.0.4 2.0.0-beta6]. 18:09 < rolla> Mike1: I have rock back on the P4 again 18:09 < rolla> much faster build machine 18:09 < Mike1> p4 0_o ?? 18:10 < rolla> yeah my alienware box 18:11 < Mike1> nice :) 18:11 < Mike1> rolla: wasn't that ur playing box ? :) 18:13 < rolla> yeah 18:13 < rolla> XP is still on there but rock is there too 18:21 < rolla> damn perl will not build on this box 18:23 < Mike1> rolla: might be an optimization related issue 18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs: In function `ParseOpenInfo': 18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs:1370: warning: passing arg 2 of pointer to function from incompatible pointer type 18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs:1370: incompatible type for argument 4 of indirect function call 18:24 < rolla> DB_File.xs:1370: too few arguments to function 18:24 < rolla> make[1]: *** [DB_File.o] Error 1 18:24 < rolla> Mike1: I am not trying to optomize 18:24 < rolla> make[1]: Leaving directory `/build/rock-trunk/download/base/perl5/perl-5.8.0/ext/DB_File' 18:25 < rolla> make: *** [lib/auto/DB_File/DB_File.so] Error 2 18:25 < rolla> I am just building it from source since it was not there to began with 18:25 < Mike1> rolla: mm.. 18:25 < Mike1> rolla: is that box running rock? 18:26 < rolla> yes 18:26 < rolla> same as other boxes where I had to build perl and it was fine 18:27 < Mike1> maybe i can mail you one of my perl.gem files.. 18:29 < rolla> maybe 18:29 < rolla> that would be nice 18:36 < rolla> does gcc 3.2 not like P4 ? 18:38 < Mike1> rolla: ok one moment 18:41 < Mike1> rolla: check www, the perl gem file is in my home dir, lots of fun my friend 18:41 < rolla> tahnks 18:44 < rolla> that sucks that I cannot build perl 18:44 < Mike1> da. 18:44 < Mike1> 250 builds total, 250 completed fine, 0 with errors. 18:44 < Mike1> Minimal rocks :) 19:35 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009058.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 < dreamind> hi 19:57 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7BE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:10 -!- kritoke [~kritoke@cpe-24-174-235-142.gt.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:12 < kritoke> how does rock linux compare to, lets say, gentoo linux? 20:15 -!- kritoke [~kritoke@cpe-24-174-235-142.gt.rr.com] has quit ("Client exiting") 20:29 -!- cybermr [~kritoke@cpe-24-174-235-142.gt.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:30 < cybermr> I am thinking bout giving rock linux a shot, what version of the iso should I get and do I need all the cds to install it? 20:31 < rxr> cybermr: 2.0.0-betaX - where X the newest available (currently -beta4+fixes) 20:31 < rxr> cybermr: sorry all cds ... 20:32 < cybermr> how is rock linux's install or lack there of? I was addicted to gentoo for a while, but am taking a slackware break right now, lol. I swear I just have a hobby of installing linux 20:34 < rxr> cybermr: read the Documentation ... 20:35 < rxr> wither the textual included in the source - or the homepage 20:36 < rxr> or a very new from me where I describe the 2.0 instllation (for PowerPC): 20:36 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/install/drock-install-20-ppc.html 20:36 < rxr> (I'll just continue to write it now ...) 20:37 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802624.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:38 < daja77> re 20:38 < cybermr> is this beta pretty stable? 20:41 * daja77 doesn't comment on this today 20:41 < cybermr> lol 20:41 < rolla> wow 20:41 < daja77> well let's say it is ok for a beta 20:42 < rolla> daja77: this is very true 20:42 < daja77> :) 20:42 < cybermr> are these iso's source as well or are they prebuilt? 20:42 < rxr> daja77: new problems? 20:42 < rxr> cybermr: for me it is very stable ... 20:43 < rxr> cybermr: the ISOs are prebuild 20:43 < daja77> rxr: yes glibc failed to compile 20:43 < cybermr> ahh 20:43 < cybermr> does this guide even come close to how 2.0 is? 20:43 < rxr> for the sources get a source tarball of ROCK (1 MB) and run ./script/Download -all (or -required= 20:43 < daja77> cybermr: don't worry the isos are not affected 20:43 < rxr> cybermr: nope the guide sucks (personal opinion ...) 20:44 < cybermr> lol, thats why everyone pointed me to it, lol 20:44 < rolla> == 08:42:11 =[5]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-beta6]. 20:44 < rxr> daja77: what is your glibc combination? I never had problems? A special optimization or so ? 20:45 < rxr> (feel free to post daja77 - I read later - as uaual) 20:45 < daja77> pentium-mmx, rev 505 with 2.4.20 kernel 20:46 < rolla> daja77: do you know much about WIFI? 20:46 < cybermr> does one still run the Install script and such in 2.0? 20:46 < daja77> cybermr: no, run stone 20:46 < daja77> rolla: no 20:46 < daja77> what is WIFI 20:47 < rolla> wireless netwrok 20:48 < daja77> different to wlan? 20:48 < rxr> wireless fidelety ... 20:48 < rxr> nope just 802.x wlan fluff ... 20:48 < cybermr> will I still need to prepare all my drives and such or does that stone thing do it all for me? 20:48 < rxr> cybermr: stone helps you ... 20:48 < daja77> rxr: + glibc 2.3.2 gcc-3.2.3, compile stopped due systax error *hmpf* 20:48 < rxr> cybermr: Î'll add screenshots to the ppc docu I posted 20:49 < cybermr> k 20:49 < cybermr> how different is the ppc thing from x86 install wise? 20:50 < cybermr> beyond the whole setting things up in macos X? 20:51 < rolla> rxr do you know what wlan cards work best with linux? 20:51 < cybermr> that different way of representing the hard disks is gonna throw me off, so used to the old way /dev/hdx 20:54 < martin> hi all 21:00 < daja77> hi martin 21:01 < martin> hi daja77 21:01 < daja77> :) 21:03 < daja77> gn8 you all cu tomorrow 21:04 < martin> gn8 daja77 21:07 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M304P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 -!- morrighan [~morrighan@eperm.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:24 -!- Robin_Root [Robin_Root@ip225-2-8.dialup.edisontel.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:27 < rxr> re 21:27 < rxr> rolla: see the schillernet.dyndns.org site 21:27 < rxr> there is a link to the wlan on linux overview ... 21:28 < Mike1> hi rxr 21:28 < rxr> hi Mike1 21:28 < rxr> daja77: rev 551 builds very fine here ... 21:28 < Mike1> rxr: its patch day :) 21:29 < martin> hi rxr 21:30 -!- Robin_Root [Robin_Root@ip225-2-8.dialup.edisontel.com] has quit () 21:32 < rxr> hi martin 21:33 < rxr> how is your iBook? 21:34 -!- joss [~joss@dhcp-14-116.cable.infonet.ee] has joined #rocklinux 21:34 < Mike1> hi joss 21:34 < martin> rxr: very good. But gdm das not work. And kdm will not start kde. 21:35 < joss> hi 21:35 -!- joss is now known as mart193 21:35 < rxr> martin: hadn't I tested the kdm kde start ? *wunder* 21:36 < rxr> Mike1: Patch day? Did you sent patches ? 21:36 < martin> rxr: kdm-> select "kde" -> and the X11 restart. No kde :( 21:36 < rxr> hm :-( 21:36 < Mike1> rxr: no, i will sent patches in a few hours 21:36 < rxr> Mike1: ok ... 21:37 < Mike1> rxr: today patches for base and some repos, tomorrow patches for gnome2 (many) 21:37 < rxr> hm - oki 21:38 < martin> But the gdm is broken. I can't enter some User at Login and so I must reboot from CD :-( 21:38 < mart193> anyone compiled kernel 2.5 for rock, if so how does it work? 21:39 < Mike1> mart193: as a rock package no, it brakes, downloaded and build from source yes, it works 21:41 < rxr> Mike1: you need to mount /dev/pts on boot - I commited this to svn today ... 21:41 < rolla> rxr can I make the suggestion that 2.5 be disabled by default in rock 2.0 beta 21:41 < Mike1> rxr: ah okis :) 21:42 < rolla> == 14:38:31 =[5]=> Building miguel/evolution [1.2.4 2.0.0-beta5]. 21:42 < Mike1> btw rxr how many more betas are you willing to release? 21:42 * Mike1 crossing fingers 21:42 < rxr> rolla: no - I'll fix the package soon (In fact I already improved linux25 a lot) 21:42 < cybermr> is there any place that documents the various scripts that can be used in rock linux, like for updating and such? I just want to make sure when I get this distro installed, I can get everything up and running and updated 21:42 < rxr> Mike1: only one 21:43 < Mike1> rxr: then we move to rc? 21:43 < rolla> rxr 2.5 is still a dev kernel 21:43 < rolla> I see no reason why I should have to disable a dev kernel to build 21:44 < rolla> if you want it turn it on when you download don't make all the people that dont' want it figure out how to disable it 21:44 < rxr> the -beta6 will be the last one - then we will have -rc's ... 21:45 < Mike1> rxr: Good boy. :) 21:45 < rxr> 2.5 is also progressing stable 2.6 - and in fact it works much better in many conditions that 2.4 ... 21:46 < rolla> so leave out 2.5 till 2.6 ;) 21:46 < cybermr> is the alsa being built into the kernel in 2.5 pretty good? I would just love to have that, almost makes me think about going to the 2.5.x series, but I still worry bout it being unstable 21:47 < rxr> rolla: no - then it is not tested - we have to adapt all in one day, and people are not testing it <dot> 21:47 < rxr> cybermr: yes - ALSA works perfect in 2.5 ... 21:49 < Mike1> :)( 21:49 < Ge0rG> daja77: pong 21:50 < martin> gn8 21:53 < mart193> im struggling with sound, it very silent for me in beta4+fixes 21:54 < mart193> anyone has the same problem? 21:55 < cybermr> is the module loaded for the soundcard? 21:56 < mart193> yep 21:56 < mart193> snd-via82xx 10368 1 snd-ac97-codec 21:56 < cybermr> I hope when I move over to it, my sound works 21:57 < cybermr> you check to see if maybe its muted or something of the effect? 21:58 < mart193> from where to i check that ? 21:58 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7BE1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("bye bye") 21:58 -!- Robin_Root [Robin_Root@ip225-2-8.dialup.edisontel.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:59 < cybermr> I know when I installed alsa drivers in linux previously, I had to unmute the sound cards for my audigy 21:59 < mart193> ok, give a command or a program name that does unmuting :) 22:00 < mart193> maybe its the case 22:00 < cybermr> if its an alsa driver and you have alsa utils installed, you could do something like "amixer set Master 100 unmute" and "amixer set PCM 100 unmute" 22:00 -!- Robin_Root [Robin_Root@ip225-2-8.dialup.edisontel.com] has quit (Client Quit) 22:00 < cybermr> that would usually umute the master and pcm settings on the card 22:01 < cybermr> did the trick in the past 22:01 < cybermr> I think just typing amixer might show you the sound levels as well 22:02 < cybermr> there is an ncurses based mixer where you can do it without all the commandline mombo jumbo, think its just called alsamixer 22:03 < cybermr> did that work for ya? 22:04 < mart193> not yet 22:05 < mart193> xmms also seems to hang 22:05 < cybermr> ouch 22:06 < cybermr> wish more of the people in here were awake/alive 22:06 < cybermr> I have yet to use rock linux, just basing this off of previous linux knowledge 22:10 < mart193> what does MM mean on top of the pcm in alsamixer tool? 22:12 < cybermr> reading a thing on it, it says MM appears above a muted controller 22:13 < cybermr> so it sounds like PCM is muted 22:14 < mart193> ok thanx man, it ok now 22:14 < mart193> its 22:14 < cybermr> sound all worky? 22:14 < mart193> yep 22:15 < cybermr> awesome 22:15 < cybermr> XMMS still crashing? that may be a bug if it is 22:16 < mart193> its seems so :( 22:16 < mart193> ill try to compile noatun 22:17 < cybermr> you try different sound output options like oss or alsa in the configuration? 22:17 < cybermr> you may have to install an alsa xmms plugin 22:18 < mart193> hmm, you mean Sound & Multimedia > Sound System? 22:18 < rxr> xmms never in the last years crashed here ... ?!? 22:18 < cybermr> I never had xmms crash either 22:19 < cybermr> for me 22:19 < mart193> yes. its fixed now :) 22:20 < mart193> no crash anymore 22:20 < cybermr> awesome 22:21 < cybermr> makes me wonder why alsa seems to default a lot of the mixer settings to muted 22:21 < cybermr> can be a pain for those who have no clue how to umute it 22:29 < cybermr> burning the 3rd cd and then I am on my way to installing this distro finally 22:30 < mart193> but gimp still carshes segmentation fault 22:31 < cybermr> :-( 22:31 < cybermr> you are really making me want to install this beta even more, lol 22:31 -!- alexander [~alexander@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 22:31 < alexander> Hi all 22:31 < cybermr> greetings 22:32 < rxr> hi alexander 22:33 < cybermr> time to give this distro a chance, gonna install the latest beta of rock, wish me luck 22:34 < alexander> cybermr, good luch :) 22:34 < rxr> mart193: because many cards have special channels that are really noise or crack during volume change, aldo microphones (e.g. often in laptops) cause feedbacks that are either unpleasant, or destroy the speakers ... 22:35 -!- cybermr [~kritoke@cpe-24-174-235-142.gt.rr.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:44 < mart193> but the installation was painless all modules were autodetected :), so taking the speed into count, its a wonderful distro actually so waiting for first official release :) 22:45 < mart193> but how can i link part part1 etc. to /dev/hda /dev/hda1 etc.? 22:46 < rxr> mart193: if you really do want this take a look at: 22:47 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/devfs.html 22:47 < rxr> and /etc/devfs 22:47 < rxr> oops damn enter key 22:48 < rxr> and /etc/devfs* on your system (for the *COMPAT* entries or the general DevFS configuration) 22:48 < rxr> man devfsd devfs.conf might also help ... 22:48 < rxr> but you really do not need to have /dev/hda? 22:48 < rxr> just use /dev/discs/* 22:48 < rxr> and / or: /dev/ide/* /dev/scsi/* 22:49 < rxr> it is so much more sorted and readable ... 22:50 < mart193> yep, i noticed those directories, and symlinking does not work, so its not a problem actually, im used to it allready, I was just curious 22:51 < mart193> but no ide-scsi module and cdburning software, at least i havent found yet 22:52 < mart193> cdrdao is there actually, but no arson or k3b or cdbakeoven 22:53 < mart193> rxr: how can i get this scripts directory? 22:53 -!- n00kie is now known as [n00kie] 22:53 < rxr> mart193: hm? 22:54 < rxr> there should be xcdroast, gtoaster and k3b ... 22:54 < rxr> mart193: which ISO did you install ? 22:54 < rxr> which scripts directory ? 22:54 * Mike1 wonders where is mnemoc 22:56 < mart193> to get update, i read about that from rocklinux web page, even a ability to do isos by yourself, but havent found scripts directory 22:56 -!- alexander [~alexander@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux () 23:03 < rxr> mart193: mom 23:07 < mart193> ok i can download it, but those scripts arent ment to do updates? 23:07 < rxr> one sec 23:08 < rxr> a source-tarball can be found on the rock20 page: 23:08 < mart193> so i should use "mine", or how to see packages available in rock servers 23:08 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20 (-- typos) 23:09 < rxr> if you want to keep the source up-to-date you need to checkout a working copy with the source control system we use 23:09 < rxr> subversion 23:09 < rxr> for intruction also consult the rock20 page 23:09 < mart193> ok, ill do that 23:11 < rxr> even more docu is in the Documentation directory of such a tar-ball or SCS working copy ... 23:14 -!- [n00kie]_ [~n00kie@M303P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 23:25 < rxr> me off to bed - cu 23:28 -!- [n00kie] [~n00kie@M304P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:28 -!- mart193 [~joss@dhcp-14-116.cable.infonet.ee] has left #rocklinux () 23:28 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:32 < netrunner> re 23:40 < esden> huhu netrunner 23:40 < netrunner> huhu esden :) 23:41 < netrunner> esden: my first packages got accepted :) 23:49 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:55 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 23:56 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1281.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux --- Log closed Fri Jun 20 00:00:43 2003