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--- Log opened Sat Jun 21 00:00:01 2003
--- Day changed Sat Jun 21 2003
00:00 < tcr> Hmm that reminds me...
00:00 * daja77 steals a beer from esden for revenge
00:00 < tcr> ...I must still have some SuSE stickers somewhere..
00:00 < daja77> ;-)
00:00 < tcr> "Have a lot of fun"
00:00 < esden> hmm .. I should have some of them too 
00:01 < esden> daja77: !!!! argl
00:01 < esden> daja77: you are so violent you know?
00:01 < daja77> *gg*
00:01 < tcr> Ge0rG: You got mice?
00:01 < daja77> yes ... yes Iknow
00:01 < esden> daja77: then is everything correct ;-)
00:01 < Ge0rG> tcr: none with linux on it ;) but webpads, a pda, a set top box, etc.
00:01 < tcr> haha, Download -required finished
00:01 < tcr> 1.4gb
00:02 < daja77> so have fun!
00:02 < tcr> not really. I have to move that crap to somewhere else. Or will 2.7gb be enough space for a build?
00:03 < daja77> ahem nope
00:03 < tcr> evend
00:03 < tcr> ebend
00:03 < lypanov> bbl
00:03 < daja77> Filesystem           Größe Benut  Verf Ben% Eingehängt auf
00:03 < lypanov> night all
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00:04 < daja77> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
00:04 < daja77>                        66G   24G   39G  38% /scratch
00:04 < daja77> :)
00:04 < tcr> haha, just got one 20gb hd
00:05 < daja77> I have several copies of download dir on that part ....
00:05 < daja77> 80GB drives rule :)
00:05 < tcr> though would have additionally 15 if I could find an error discoverer tool from IBM
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00:06 < daja77> :(
00:06 < alexander> Hi all
00:06 < daja77> hi alexander
00:06 < tcr> Do you think it'll bring anything to mail them up?
00:06 < alexander> daja77, whats up
00:06 < daja77> tcr: dunno
00:06 < Aard> `wasssssssuuuuuuuuuup'
00:06 < daja77> alexander: nothing special
00:07 < esden> huhu Aard 
00:07 < daja77> hey Aard still here ;)
00:07 < Aard> huhu ;)
00:07 < esden> Aard: long time no see
00:07 < Aard> esden: to much to do :(
00:07 < esden> Aard: me too ...
00:07 < alexander> Hehe, I think spamers are strange. Oki, sending one mail is ok. Two is waste of bandwith. But sending like 20 of the same should be punished somehow :)
00:08 < Aard> esden: what about wiesbaden?
00:08 < esden> Aard: not before my exams ... but I plan to drive there after the exams ...
00:08 < tcr> what should be about that?
00:08 < Aard> esden: when will that be?
00:08 < tcr> Just drove past it today
00:08 < esden> probably the weekend after linuxtag
00:09 < tcr> s,drove,went,
00:09 < Aard> tcr: wah, you could have brought me a pizza (->frankfurt)
00:09 < tcr> by train to be precise
00:09 < esden> erm ... no not weekend ... more probable is during the week
00:09 < esden> the weekend I have to be in ingolstadt
00:09 < Aard> mh.
00:09 < tcr> Aard: went from ffm off to Bad Kreuznach (where I used to life)
00:10 < Aard> tcr: next time you do something like that, bring me a pizza or something before tou leave
00:10 < daja77> Aard: ask FaUL
00:11 < Aard> daja77: he is not in frankfurt. I hope he'll get me a pizza at the camp :)
00:11 < daja77> not, thought he is from ffm too
00:13 < Aard> daja77: no, he's from dortmunf
00:13 < tcr> Aard: btw. will you go to the linuxtag?
00:13 < Aard> s/f/d/
00:13 < Aard> tcr: yes.
00:13 < tcr> by car?
00:15 < Aard> no. I don't have one.
00:15 < tcr> so by train?
00:16 < Aard> yes.
00:16 < tcr> how much does it cost?
00:17 < Aard> I don't know.
00:17 < daja77> tcr: do you come?
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00:18 < tcr> Aard: You haven't cared yet, or what?
00:19 < tcr> daja77: Not sure. I'd say it's unprobable
00:19 < tcr> improbably even
00:19 < tcr> improbable even
00:19 < daja77> hmm I guess you don't register for rocklinux team ...
00:19 < tcr> "don't"
00:20 < tcr> ?
00:20 < daja77> short for do not
00:20 < Aard> tcr: between 22 and 30 eur, depending what train you take
00:20 < Aard> and maybe 40% off, if you buy tickets for both ways together.
00:21 < tcr> Aard: Same as you ;).
00:21 < tcr> daja77: Schlaumeier :P
00:21 < Aard> tcr: ?
00:22 < daja77> tcr: so your question was?
00:22 < alexander> How do you get those web in files? So that you can write a patch for it?
00:22 < tcr> Aard: If I decide to go, I'll take the same train as you. that's it
00:22 < Aard> tcr: ah, ok. would you like to come one or more days?
00:22 < tcr> daja77: Whether you're sure that you used the right tense
00:23 < daja77> *shrug*
00:23 < tcr> Aard: if at all, only one
00:23 < Aard> tcr: me too
00:23 < daja77> if you want to stay longer, you could register for rocklinux team and sleep without additional costs
00:24 < daja77> just mail ripclaw
00:24 < tcr> No, I won't anyway.
00:25 < tcr> It'll be from 13.-15. jul.?
00:25 < daja77> well cu then on one day :)
00:25 < daja77> nah 10th-13th
00:25 < alexander> Well im of to holiday now. Wahoo, the beach here i come :)
00:25 < tcr> weekend in three weeks, if I count rightly
00:25 < daja77> alexander: have fun, what beach btw
00:26 < daja77> yepp
00:26 < alexander> daja77, uhh, its Öland. Hmm, swedens next largest island. You can find it on the east side of sweden rather south :)
00:26 < daja77> okis :)
00:27 < Aard> uh, I thought I'd have more time...
00:27 < daja77> hehe me thought that too
00:27 < alexander> cya all
00:27 < daja77> hope that this build is good enough to show it in MD next week
00:27 < daja77> cu
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00:28 < rxr> re
00:28 < daja77> re rxr
00:28 * tcr started build of beta4
00:29 < daja77> beta4??
00:29 < tcr> Yo
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00:29 * daja77 building beta6
00:29 < rxr> daja77: my apache should listen to 81 ...
00:30 < Mike1> Lorini.
00:30 * daja77 checking
00:30 < rxr> what about updating to linux-2.4.22-pre1 ?
00:30 < daja77> no!!!
00:30 < rxr> ok
00:30 < Mike1> rxr: please _no_
00:30 < Aard> why not 2.5.72? :) works fine
00:31 < rxr> but I'll add the official Intel ACPI patch - too many machines I got in-touch in the last montsh do not even boot without it ...
00:31 < daja77> Aard: 2.5.x is shipped with rock as well
00:31 < rxr> I just was happy that Marcello finally applied the ACPI stuff in -pre1 ;-)
00:31 < Mike1> rxr: how about fixing the kernel stuff so it doesn't search for /R.build/blabla when you want to recompile kernel on ur just installed system?
00:31 < daja77> rxr: ok, but if we continue using pre or rc kernel, I'll never manage to integrate rt stuff in rock
00:32 < rxr> daja77: ack
00:32 < rxr> the 2.4.21-XYZ thing was only because it lasted half a year or so ...
00:32 < daja77> i know :)
00:33 < rxr> Mike1: I never saw such a error - please fix this when you see such a thing ...
00:33 < Mike1> rxr: i had the problem on 4 different builds
00:33 < Mike1> rxr: the problem is even in _your_ beta5 isos..
00:34 < rxr> stange - especially since I do linux25 test occationally - and did much linux24benh builds on the iBook ...
00:34 < daja77> rxr: I'll add more yp packages later :)
00:34 < rxr> daja77: what do they do exactly ?
00:34 < Mike1> i installed them on my laptop last n8, and when i was finished all what i did was try to recompile kernel so i can load the modules i needed for my box
00:34 < daja77> rxr: it is a NIS implementation
00:35 < rxr> daja77: don't we have such packages already ?
00:35 < Mike1> rxr: you can try to i can install them again on a vmware and try to recompile and show you the error if you want
00:35 < daja77> I haven't found them, only a ypdomainname command strange thing
00:36 < daja77> I look for it tomorrow, maybe we have such a package and I was blind
00:36 < rxr> hm - I never had NIS ... - I apply all of those patches, but please take a look if there are already simillar packages ...
00:36 < daja77> I'll do
00:36 < rxr> daja77: maybe not the same packages - but just another implementation
00:37 < daja77> is there a way to ask mine, tell me from which package this file is from?
00:37 < rxr> dunno ...
00:37 < Mike1> rxr: ...
00:37 < rxr> just to troll arround here, too: Do we miss ISO info on the ROCK homepage ?
00:38 < rxr> daja77: would you be able to upload your ISOs on iso.rocklinux.de - and maybe continously produce generic builds ?
00:38 < daja77> lemme check
00:39 < daja77> ahem I do genericx builds for now, but I often start the build before the final is tagged
00:39 * Mike1 feeling ignored, great.
00:39 < esden> Mike1: !!! ;-)
00:39 < esden>  /ignore Mike1 
00:39 < rxr> Mike1: maybe you could add minimal ISOs ?
00:39 < esden> ;-)
00:39 < Mike1> rxr: i can
00:39 < rxr>  /unignore Mike1
00:39 < Mike1> rxr: finally thanks.
00:39 * daja77 pets Mike1 
00:39 < esden> daja77: ohh how sweet
00:40 < Mike1> rxr: yesi can create minimal and router isos..
00:40 < daja77> esden: ??
00:40 < Mike1> rxr: but waht about the kernel issue i found on ur isos and others..
00:40 < esden> daja77: are you always so nice to animals?
00:40 < daja77> hehe
00:41 < daja77> rxr: I can upload my beta6 generic isos next week if you like
00:41 < daja77> maybe we should add the rev number to the isos
00:42 < rxr> daja77: Mike1: I do not care too much if they are some revisions behind or after the tag (mine are only around the tag, too) - just no personal modifcation - package selection and so on ...
00:42 < rxr> daja77: jups - I also thought that the rev might be a viable ISO name addition
00:42 < daja77> I made no modification
00:42 * rxr hugs Mike1 #
00:42 < daja77> I send patches before I do modified builds ;)
00:43 < daja77> except for rt builds of course
00:43 < Mike1> re hug
00:43 < Mike1> rxr: i keep uptodate with ur revissions btw
00:44 < daja77> rxr: good then add it, it is better a user says I have rev $num than I have build beta4
00:44 < Mike1> rxr: how often do you want minimal isos, i can have a daily iso..
00:44 < tcr> gcc3 failed in stage 0
00:44 < daja77> huh?
00:45 < tcr> is related to stack smasher
00:45 < daja77> ah never used that
00:45 < rxr> Mike1: for every major tag is fine
00:45 < rxr> but tested to boot would be a must ..
00:45 < daja77> ack
00:46 < tcr> daja77: well, funny is... I disabled it.
00:46 < Mike1> rxr: i always test my isos..
00:47 < rxr> Mike1: sure - but I just feared that dayly build output would not be tested ... ;-)
00:47 < daja77> tcr: why you don't do a svn up
00:48 < Mike1> rxr: a 4x2400mhz box is fast enought to build minimal isos in a few hours ...
00:48 < Mike1> :)
00:48 < daja77> rxr: btw, nope rock hp is fine now, isos can be found easily
00:48 < tcr> Don't have svn installed. My host is a freshly installed 1.5.12
00:48 < daja77> Mike1: build generic!
00:48 < daja77> tcr: ic
00:48 < Mike1> daja77: is that an order? :P
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00:48 < daja77> ahem sort of, yes
00:49 < Mike1> daja77: seriously do you want me to run generic builds?
00:49 < Mike1> rxr: ?
00:49 < daja77> Mike1: yes of course, why not
00:50 < daja77> you can upload them faster ;-)
00:50 < Mike1> daja77: i can try :)
00:50 < Mike1> daja77: i could make 1 or 2 isos of generic a week if requested
00:50 < rxr> Mike1: pong
00:51 < Mike1> rxr: do you want me to create generic isos too?
00:51 < rxr> Mike1: if you have such a fast box just idling around - sure - do them
00:51 < rxr> please do not optimize more than pentium-mmx
00:51 < daja77> yeah do it!
00:51 < Mike1> rxr: i oftenly optimize i386
00:52 < daja77> :-(
00:52 < Mike1> but pentium mmx should be ok
00:52 < Mike1> any specific reason for such optimization?
00:52 < bbottom> how long have you guys been messing with rocklinux
00:52 < rxr> Mike1: i386 is also really ok (then we also have binaries for very old boxes) - does the gcc compile all the packages without optimization currently ?
00:52 < rxr> In the past I saw some ICEs when i386 was used ...
00:52 < daja77> Mike1: it runs faster ;)
00:53 < rxr> bbottom: 3-4 years
00:53 < daja77> 3 months ;-)
00:53 < Mike1> rxr: dunno i never build without optimization actually
00:53 < rxr> bbottom: ROCK exists since arround 1998 IIRC
00:53 < bbottom> cool, I recently hoped on the gentoo band wagon, omg!!!
00:53 < rxr> Mike1: there is no need for pentium-mmx optimzation - an unoptimized build is even nicer to a) track errors and b) have ISOs for old boxes ...
00:53 < bbottom> if ya want customized, bam
00:54 < Mike1> bbottom: i have been messing with rock since 2000 or so..
00:54 < Mike1> rxr: i will do unoptimized isos today
00:54 < bbottom> optimized for you're everything, gentoo is sweet, what is good about Rock?
00:55 < bbottom> I read the site, said great for clustering and custom machines
00:55 < rxr> bbottom: what do you want to know? What ROCK Linux _is_? Or if you van optimize?
00:55 < esden> rxr: you are not wrong ... clifford wrote the first rocklinux scripts around 1998
00:55 < rxr> hi esden btw ;-)
00:55 < esden> hi rxr ;-)
00:56 < bbottom> rxr: is rock for workstations? or what is it made for
00:56 < rxr> I wonder why so much people write such mis-leading mails about info not findable when it is there - no wonder that I get upset .... :-((
00:56 < rxr> bbottom: for server, workstations, embedded system - in short for everything
00:56 < rxr> bbottom: we have a distribution build kit
00:56 < Mike1> rxr: the guys from linuxiso still have 1.5.0 isos as latest this is a mess..
00:56 < bbottom> I'm just wondering if it's best at anything
00:57 < rxr> bbottom: an automated build-system with a ever growing package database
00:57 < daja77> rxr: it was hard to find 'til last week or so
00:57 < Aard> rxr: you mean, it can clean my toilet? 8)
00:57 < tcr> rxr: If so many people write such misleading mails about info not findable -- maybe they're right then? Or at least not completely wrong, otherwise so many people wouldn't write, would they?
00:57 < rxr> we have (and you can add) target configuration to build a specific set of pacakge (even with modification) just in a way most useable / appropriated for a specific target-applicatoni
00:58 < daja77> .oO tcr getting rxr to explode
00:58 < rxr> so we currently have generic (just all), desktop, minimal, router, ...
00:58 < rxr> a live target will follow in some days ...
00:58 < daja77> cool
00:58 < tcr> Yup, cool!
00:58 < daja77> rxr: rock live dvd on linuxtag *ggg*
00:58 < tcr> daja77: I'm used to it ;)
00:59 < rxr> daja77: If I would have unlimitted time
00:59 < rxr> tcr: nope not today - I already exploded ...
00:59 < daja77> just to tease klaus knopper a bit, just kidding
00:59 < daja77> rxr: yeah you did, calm down ;-)
00:59 < rxr> tcr: I think it is just that half of the people have written from memory - and the other half has not taken a look at all ...
01:00 < daja77> maybe you should send them a sync mail ...
01:01 < rxr> daja77: /me yes - if only we would have more time (e.g. people sponsoring the work so we do not need to do crap like coding Windows CAD application) we could have been in the c't instead of this Knoppix thing ...
01:01 < daja77> hmm maybe, but he made good work as well
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01:02 < rxr> daja77: he should have used ROCK as base - writing a nice target - instead of the debian base :-(((
01:02 < daja77> ack!
01:02 < Aard> ack, that debian-base sucks
01:02 < daja77> now debianist think their distro is so great, because of knoppix *puke*
01:03 * rxr trying to get soom nightly meal - and then I'll do some more ROCK work over the night (my todo is so long :-()
01:03 < daja77> you can work now?, ok have fun, I'll go to bed now
01:03 * Aard is eating
01:03 < rxr> daja77: sure - why not? I already worked thru two nights last week ...
01:04 < daja77> dead man working ;-)
01:04 < daja77> anyway I'm off
01:04 < daja77> n8
01:04 < rxr> but I had a nearly free day yesterday (celebrating the 1st anniversary being together with my girlfriend) - and I slept long today ...
01:05 < rxr> cu daja77
01:06 < tcr> Ok. the gcc problems goes down to a missing header file: asm/socket.h (from [...]/tools.cross/i686-pc-linux-gnu/include/bits/socket.h[...]
01:07 < rxr> cool the upcomming kdevelop has SVN support ;-)!
01:07 < tcr> What's the scope of the search for header files in stage 0?
01:08 < rxr> it should be provided by linux*-header
01:08 < tcr> build/[...]/root/? Or build/[...]/tools.cross?
01:08 < rxr> puh - I would need to take a look - but I guess build/.../root/usr/include/...
01:08 < rxr> (IIRC)
01:09 < tcr> it's empty
01:09 < tcr> Is that in any way a known bug of beta4?
01:10 < rxr> ah - ok tools.cross is correct
01:10 < rxr> nope - I never had such big problems - but I usually do not use the stack-smashing-protector ...
01:10 < tcr> I don't too!
01:11 < tcr> As I said, it's because of a missing headerfile
01:11 < rxr> but if you can not svn up - you should use beta5 instead of beta4 ...
01:11 * rxr off getting some food now ... cu
01:11 < tcr> ok
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01:31 < rxr> re
01:31 < Mike1> welcome back rxr
01:31 < Mike1> how was food?
01:33 < rxr> ah - ok. I decided that around 1 o'clock most snacks are not really opened anymore
01:33 < Mike1> hehe
01:34 < rxr> so I got some bread with tomatos and cucumber
01:34 < Mike1> sounds ok
01:34 < Mike1> und wine?
01:35 < rxr> nope - I already had a bear with Verena in a pub - I want to develop a bit tonight - so no more wine ... ;-)
01:35 < Mike1> hehe
01:36 * Mike1 rock-gnoming..
01:36 < Freak> gnome-rocking..
01:36 < Mike1> freaking..
01:37 < Mike1> :P
01:37 < Freak> hehe
01:37 < Mike1> how are you my friend?
01:37 < rxr> didn't you want to send patches yesterday ?
01:37 < Mike1> rxr: yes but i couldn't
01:37 < Freak> i have a lot of itches .. dang mosquitos
01:37 < Mike1> rxr: they are base patches
01:38 < Mike1> i guess i wills end them with the gnome ones
01:38 < Freak> i already scratched them bloody...... and I dont have any gel to stop the itching
01:38 < Freak> i want to scratch so badly
01:38 < Freak> this is cruel..
01:38 < Mike1> masochist..
01:39 < Freak> ack
01:39 < Freak> but i cant scratch anymore or ill get scars
01:40 < Freak> (scarface, so i guess scar must be the word im looking for - narbe)
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01:44 < SMP> *yawn*
01:46 < Mike1> hi SMP
01:46 < SMP> you know what irony is ...
01:46 < Mike1> SMP: what?
01:47 < SMP> earlier today I 'svn switch'ed my tree to the svn mirror on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de. it took ages and the svn process grew to over 150MB VM at the end of the process ...
01:48 < SMP> and now that server is not reachable (for the weekend)
01:48 < Mike1> LOL
01:48 < Mike1> poor SMP
01:48 < rxr> hi SMP
01:49 < SMP> hey Rene
01:49 < rxr> yes - damn admins - I do really not know that they are playing on the routers ...
01:50 < SMP> rxr: I hereby correct my opinion on SVN - it's just the crap I thought it was (not only because of this issue) :-(
01:51 < rxr> SMP: maybe you could elaborate some more?
01:51 < SMP> just a second ...
01:52 < SMP> GEE WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT!?!?!!
01:53 < SMP> I can't svn switch back to schillernet.dyndns.org because gsmp.tfh-berlin.de is unreachable
01:53 < SMP> come on, that's pathetic
01:54 < rxr> btw: I'm sure this cross-server switching needs checking - and improvements - I'm not sure if this is intended to work in this setup ...
01:54 < rxr> but I'll test myself when the routes work again ...
01:56 < SMP> more reasons: https://users.footprints.net/~kaz/mcvs-svn-comparison.html
01:56 < SMP> and it's dog slow in general and tends to eat memory
01:57 < esden> hi SMP 
01:58 < esden> finally, I have read all the mails in the mailinglist .. one is away for some days and looses the track of everything >_<
01:58 < esden> that is terrible
02:00 < SMP> rxr: seriously, I think we're not ready for -rc yet
02:01 < rxr> I also have too much on the todo - but when we want to-do all this before 2.0 we will have it many months ...
02:01 < Mike1> rxr: i have to say that i ack with SMP, after testing deeply last night i realized the same thing
02:01 < SMP> esp. when looking at the official todo
02:02 < SMP> but some things in /usr/lib, /usr/libexec and /lib definitely need to be fixed before getting anything near stable
02:02 < SMP> same goes for glibc security patches
02:02 < rxr> Mike1: what problems have you found =
02:03 < SMP> the attr, acl and xfsprogs packages all have the same completely broken way of installing their libraries ...
02:03 < SMP> the good thing is, I only have to trick it once and it works for all of them
02:03 < Mike1> rxr: well there is the kernel problem i told you about today, svn coredumps, gnome is a mess , i'm personally taking care of the last one
02:03 < SMP> speaking of coredumps
02:04 < SMP> _please_ don't strip binaries for beta builds!
02:04 < rxr> Mike1: gnome is a mess? Which part?
02:05 < Mike1> rxr: starting for the fact that i can't start gdm..
02:05 < rxr> SMP: are you crazy? Just build your own debugable version! I can not put such fat debug-info ISOs on the sites ...
02:06 < rxr> gdm/kdm improcing is already on my todo (need to go into the inittab e.g.)
02:06 < SMP> I don't have the horsepower to do builds at the moment
02:06 < rxr> but I'm not aware of a gdm does not start bug...
02:07 < esden> rxr: it is not a wronk idea to make beta builds with beta information ... 
02:07 < esden> that makes it more easy to debug the data on the released cd's
02:07 < SMP> of course it's not wrong
02:08 < SMP> just how big is the difference in size?
02:08 < rxr> esden: I already have trouble because of the bandwidth utilization ...
02:08 < esden> rxr: what about iso.rocklinux.org? ... is there a bandwidth probelm?
02:08 < rxr> SMP: i estimate 2-5 times as big as stripped (binary only) - I do not know how much % of the whole CD this is ...
02:09 < SMP> I've never seen a binary shrink so much by stripping it!
02:09 < rxr> esden: I do not have the CPU-power to do a build for each iso site ...
02:09 < esden> why different builds for different iso sites?
02:09 < rxr> the GSMP one (C++) is around 20MB - stripped 1.8 or so (last time I checked)
02:10 < rxr> esden: because I can not put even bigger ones to the tfh-berlin.de servers
02:10 < esden> why can't you put the iso's you make on iso.rocklinux.de?
02:10 < esden> or have I missed something
02:10 < SMP> ok, can someone try? anyone going to do a build for himself anyway? disable stripping and see what it gives
02:10 < rxr> esden: they are there - but given that all this university server are down quite often they need to be on more than just one ste ...
02:10 < esden> SMP: I will do that ...
02:11 < SMP> I can imagine volunteering an ftp server for distributing a non-stripped beta build
02:11 < esden> SMP: but it will take some time because I need to resync my sources
02:12 < esden> because I was away from computers for some time ...
02:14 < SMP> by the way, if you have two X displays (two X boxen in a network or just vnc), start the gtk-demo and try the 'Change Display' thing
02:14 < SMP> it's spooky
02:14 < rxr> SMP: what do you mean with spooky ?
02:14 < SMP> well it moves gtk toplevels ('windows') between displays
02:15 < rxr> xemacs can do this for a long time ...
02:15 < SMP> no, not quite AFAIK
02:15 < cchamilt> hello
02:15 < esden> hi cchamilt 
02:15 < rxr> or use xmove (or so) for all
02:15 < Mike1> Good mourning cchamilt :))
02:15 < SMP> xemacs can _open_ a window in a new display, but not move, AFAIK
02:15 < rxr> SMP: view -> frame on other display
02:16 < rxr> hm - can't you close the first one afterwards ? ...
02:16 < cchamilt> I have a very interesting problem.  bootdisk glibc glob.h includes GLOB_NOMATCH, however a regular build glibc uses a completely different glob.h
02:17 < SMP> I guess you can, but 'copy and delete' is not equal to 'move'. ask the SVN folks about that *LOL*
02:17 < rxr> SMP: I bet the gtk people do not do s.th. different
02:18 < rxr> (bte gtk+ is the ugliest toolkit I ever tried to use ...)
02:20 < cchamilt> evms uses GLOB_NOMATCH so I notice these things. I am guessing bootdisk is taking these from the host somehow.
02:21 < esden> ok .. folks .. good night 
02:21 < Mike1> Gutte nacht esden
02:21 < Mike1> esden: Got segne dich mein freund :)
02:21 < Mike1> Gott *
02:22 < cchamilt> night
02:22 < rxr> cchamilt: the bootdisk target mostly builds and works like a general target
02:22 < esden> Mike1: you too ;-)
02:23 < cchamilt> rxr: accept it harvested my 1.5 glibc includes (which made evms work)
02:23 * SMP can't get Japanese manpages to display anymore - this worked yesterday or so ;-(
02:23 < cchamilt> rxr: unless glibc generates different glob.h depending on other things
02:24 < rxr> cchamilt: you use pseudo-cross-compiler?
02:25 < cchamilt> rxr: just normal setup, I thought it auto-cross compiled now.
02:25 < rxr> sure
02:25 < rxr> cchamilt:
02:25 < rxr> diff -ur system-2.0.0-beta5-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop-expert/root/usr/include/glob.h install-2.0.0-beta5-x86-pentium-mmx-bootdisk-expert/root/usr/include/glob.h
02:26 < rxr> no output ...
02:26 < cchamilt> rxr: Of course our build host is running glibc2.3 right?
02:28 < cchamilt> rxr: Not sure what is happening though, as they both build glibc to stage 5 right?
02:28 < rxr> ah - ok. But the code-flow does not differ much - could you track where the files comes from ?
02:28 * Mike1 getting coffee..
02:29 < cchamilt> rxr: Search glibc stage 5?
02:31 < cchamilt> Only listed in bootdisk in stage 5 as coming from tools.chroot/wrapper
02:31 < cchamilt> or at least no mention of specific install in log
02:33 < cchamilt> same for regular build it appears, so I don't have any specific data without hand building it I think.
02:37 < rxr> cchamilt: see query
02:45 < cchamilt> rxr: I found posix/glob.h:#define    GLOB_NOMATCH    3       /* No matches found.  */
02:46 < cchamilt> rxr: It is in glibc23, but not inside my build glob.h
02:46 < cchamilt> posix/glob.h and the build one are quite different.
02:48 < cchamilt> rxr: my current 1.5 system glob.h looks just like posix/glob.h however my 1.7+ glibc23 glob.h is ... different
02:50 < cchamilt> rxr: the systems I am looking at for 1.7 all seem to have a 'cleaned up' glob.h just a struct and a few defines.
02:52 < cchamilt> rxr: the only other glob.h from inside glibc23 source is in include/glob.h and it is a wrapper to posix/glob.h
02:52 < cchamilt> rxr: So does glibc generate a new glob.h and why?
02:52 < rxr> cchamilt: I also never messed with glob.h ...
02:53 < rxr> would be nice if you could take a look iside glibc ...
02:53 < cchamilt> rxr: the posix standard 'glob.h' and what we have are different
02:53 < cchamilt> ugh
02:54 < cchamilt> rxr: can't I just cp -a posix/*.h /usr/include and pretend?
02:54 < rxr> hm - I seem to need to ship a mol-$ver-rene - the last official version is broken ...
02:54 < rxr> cchamilt: pelase really check what is happening and what is supposed to be there by the glibc developers
02:55 < rxr> mine globs.h files look quite ok ...
02:58 < cchamilt> rxr: does it have GLOB_NOMATCH?
03:02 < rxr> root:/usr/src/rock-trunk# grep GLOB_NOMATCH build/system-2.0.0-beta5-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop-expert/root/usr/include/glob.h
03:02 < rxr> #define GLOB_NOMATCH    3       /* No matches found.  */
03:02 < cchamilt> So why the heck is mine broken?
03:03 < cchamilt> Ugh.
03:04 < cchamilt> I just checked a built system that was made on top of a 1.7. It has the correct glob.h.
03:04 < cchamilt> wtf
03:04 < Mike1> mm..
03:05 < cchamilt> Mike1: intouch at tll appears correct.
03:05 < Mike1> cchamilt: 0_o are you refering to the app or to glibc in tll?
03:06 < cchamilt> So. I have 1.7 systems built on 1.5 that have a broken glibc.
03:06 < cchamilt> And I have a 1.7 built on 1.7 that is broken that is correct.
03:06 < cchamilt> Mike1: glibc
03:07 * rxr thinking about putting a firewire disk onto the iBook - the HD seems to be slowing the build quite a bit (and my workflow on the box)
03:07 < Mike1> cchamilt: i found 1.7 builds on 1.5 are quite broken, so whenever i don't have a chance to build on a rock host i use debian
03:07 < cchamilt> That is nuts.
03:08 < cchamilt> It is going to set me back a day!
03:08 < cchamilt> I will have to move back to tll to finish my builds!
03:08 < Mike1> mm.. wise decition..
03:08 < Mike1> cchamilt: are you sure we won't have more routing problems with tll?
03:08 < mnemoc> re
03:08 < Mike1> mnemoc: where have you been?
03:09 < cchamilt> Was supposed to show it today to Moonshi! I am dead meat credibility wise.
03:09 < Mike1> i _had_ the iso i promissed to untill some hours ago
03:09 < mnemoc> dead ;)
03:09 < Mike1> cchamilt: query please
03:09 < mnemoc> Mike1: ftp? http? ;D
03:09 < Mike1> mnemoc: had... i cleaned up my hd
03:10 < mnemoc> :(
03:10 * mnemoc hates Mike1
03:12 < rxr> hi mnemoc !
03:14 < rxr> this damn shit
03:14 < rxr> I can not obtain BitKeeper to checkout MOL - because I work on Subversion ?
03:15 < rxr> hm - the BitKeeper folks seem to be a bit lazy: "Our releases tend to be more frequent than updates to the website, please check the download area regularly for the latest." ... ?!?!?
03:17 < mnemoc> hi rxr
03:18 < rxr> hm - and konquer does not want to authenticate the thier download area ...
03:18 < rxr> hi mnemoc
03:18 < rxr> ui apache 1.3 22 - updated regularly ? *g*
03:20 < Mike1> thanks mnemoc
03:20 < mnemoc> :P
03:20 < Mike1> bbl work priorities - chris lets talk on the query
03:20 < mnemoc> :(
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04:01 < rxr> re
04:08 < rxr> cchamilt: I also see the invalid file junk on my install target
04:08 < rxr> I'll fix this ...
04:08 < Mike1> rxr: great
04:08 < Mike1> when will you work on this fix?
04:08 * Mike1 needing it :)
04:10 < rxr> oO - I wanted to go to bed now ...
04:10 < rxr> it is 4:11 here ...
04:10 < Mike1> :(
04:10 < Mike1> i understand
04:10 < Mike1> sleep well Ren
04:11 < rxr> I take a look
04:11 < rxr> if it ca be fixed quickly ...
04:12 < Mike1> thanks :)
04:12 < Mike1> i really aprecciate it
04:13 < tfing> Mike1: do you already have a minimal target build available ?
04:13 < Mike1> tfing: Minimal Target is 95% stable and i had an iso available this afternnon, but removed it for hd space matters
04:13 < Mike1> tfing: iw ill make an iso public in 2 days
04:14 < tfing> ok
04:14 < Mike1> tfing: you wanna test it?
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04:14 < tfing> i need to install a distro on a machine
04:14 < joss> hi
04:15 < tfing> and i don't want to burn 3 cd's to install only 10% of them
04:15 < joss> some way to download binary packages as well with rock?
04:15 < Mike1> tfing: right, i understand, ok so gimme 2 days at the most and i will have an iso for you
04:15 < tfing> Mike1: that's fine ;)
04:17 < joss> Mike1: what to you think , i can see scripts do download and install and build packages, but is there a srcipt do download precompiled also?
04:17 < Mike1> hi joss
04:18 < Mike1> joss: what exactly do you wish to do with pre compiled packages?
04:18 < Mike1> as in to update ur system? or to just build an specific package version?
04:18 < Mike1> or get an specific pkg version i ment
04:18 < joss> i ment to install them without wasting time for compiling them
04:19 < joss> like binary packages with dependencie support
04:19 < Mike1> mmm... such script does not script, but yeah .gem packages are available, rxr url? joss you just need to fecth the ones you want, and mine - i pkg.gem
04:19 < Mike1> mm..
04:21 < joss> ok, isnt there any way to add this rxr url to check those packages available through mine
04:21 < joss> hmm seems like not
04:22 < Mike1> joss can be implemented
04:22 < joss> heh
04:23 < Mike1> in this moment i'm fighting with something, but i can put it on my todo list :)
04:27 < joss> and it seems like there is one  scripts to make packages as well as mine. Build-pkg i mean
04:28 < joss> hmm, but maybe not
04:28 < Mike1> it builds the packages ins installs them on ur system
04:28 < Mike1> but thats not exactly what you want
04:28 < rxr> Mike1: Committed revision 584.
04:29 < Mike1> rxr: fixed?
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04:29 < Mike1> drako: !
04:29 < Mike1> :)
04:29 < joss> nop i need to know where are compiled packages logs
04:29 < Mike1> /var/adm/log/*
04:30 < rxr> Mike1: sure
04:30 < joss> yep, thats same what mine indicates to
04:30 < Mike1> rxr: thanks a million my friend
04:32 < joss> and one more how can i compile one certain package to my system?
04:32 < joss> download kdemultimediaxxx && ?
04:32 < Mike1> ./scripts/Build-Pkg pkg :)
04:32 < joss> ok nice
04:33 < Mike1> first download it
04:33 < Mike1> ./scripts/Download -pkg pkg
04:33 < Mike1> :)
04:33 < Mike1> ./scripts/Download -package  pkg :)
04:33 < rxr> Mike1: btw a /.
04:33 < rxr> damn
04:34 < Mike1> rxr?
04:34 < rxr> a: ./scripts/Magic-Build which just checks dependencies and download is on my todo ...
04:34 < Mike1> rxr: ah good, so i take it of my todo :)
04:34 < Mike1> rxr i will be right behind you checking that script :)
04:35 < cchamilt> re
04:35 < rxr> leave on your todo to remind me ...
04:35 < Mike1> welcome back cchamilt
04:35 < Mike1> rxr: hehe ok
04:35 < Mike1> rxr: NOTE: cchamilt is making sure that my tod get bigger and bigger and bigger
04:36 < Mike1> s/tod/todo
04:37 < cchamilt> I am just pushing my problems due to incompetence on to you.
04:37 < cchamilt> It is called management.
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04:40 < Mike1> hehe
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04:47 < rxr> hi tfing
04:47 < tfing> re
04:52 < joss> heh so Magic-build but, what is the option to download and build with dependencie support, or does it do it by default?
04:53 < tfing> it does not
04:53 < joss> or any flag like nodeps is there somewhere also, ill just put scripts dir to my path
04:53 < tfing> and it won't i think
04:53 < joss> hmm
04:53 < joss> so depemdencies are not stored in sources?
04:53 < tfing> nope
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04:57 < joss> what is gem, a tarball actually?
04:58 < joss> any docs about that archive format?
04:59 < cchamilt> gem is new for 1.7, it is cdb based storage
04:59 < cchamilt> it stores a searchable static db of the data stored in /var/adm/* for a package plus the tar.bz2
05:01 < joss> ahaa ok
05:02 < cchamilt> not sure if anything actually uses the info yet though.
05:02 < cchamilt> mine uses it, but using mine usually doesn't require it to do much other than unpack the tar.
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05:05 < rolla> re
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05:06 < rolla> damn beta6 core dumped on stage2 load
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05:07 < joss> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/x86/pkgs/kdemultimedia31-3.1.2.gem                          :) heh it seems to be 11K
05:07 < joss> naotaun is my intrest
05:09 < joss> but actually when doing mine -d kdemultimedia31-3.1.2.gem  it shows a bunch of dependencies
05:10 < joss> so really the dep info seems to be there
05:10 < joss> but no option to install with dep support it seems
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08:05 * Mike1 bored
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09:06 < Auzain> moin
09:07 < Mike1> moin Auzain
09:08 < Auzain> hi Mike
09:08 < n00kie_> moin
09:08 < n00kie_> Hola Mike1 :)
09:08 < n00kie_> Hi Auzain
09:08 < Mike1> hola n00kie_, nice to see you finally awake
09:08 < Auzain> servus nOOkie
09:09 < n00kie_> hehe :)
09:09 < n00kie_> brb, breakfast
09:17 < n00kie_> Back
09:18 < Mike1> how was breakfast?
09:19 < Mike1> anyone having glibc23 broken on stage 5?
09:19 < Mike1> revision 584
09:20 < n00kie_> Good Mike
09:20 * n00kie_ still using
09:20 < Mike1> n00kie_: ?
09:21 < n00kie_> revision 506
09:21 < Mike1> ah :)
09:21 < n00kie_> works fine on my machine
09:21 < Mike1> ok thanks n00kie_
09:31 < Lorini> moin
09:32 < Mike1> Lorini.
09:32 < Lorini> hi mike
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09:33 < Mike1> moin Blindy
09:33 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
09:34 < n00kie_> Hola blindcoder
09:36 * blindcoder looking at the mailinglist...
09:36 * blindcoder shaking his head
09:36 < blindcoder> hi n00kie_
09:46 < kasc> moin
09:47 < Auzain> Mike1: I tried to recompile glibc23 in drock: segfault then my drock was broken...
09:47 < Mike1> hi kasc
09:47 < Mike1> Auzain: ?
09:47 < Mike1> btw i found the glibc "bug" in revission 584, SMP nice patch :))
09:48 < Auzain> what is revision 584?
09:49 < Mike1> svn revision 584
09:49 < Mike1> :)
09:49 < Mike1> ping SMP
09:49 < Auzain> ???
09:50 < Mike1> Auzain: subversion... rock development src tree..
09:50 < blindcoder> Mike1: which bug?
09:51 < Mike1> blindy just a dump "bug" cause by smps patch, i fixed it will mail the patch in a moment
09:52 < Mike1> blindcoder: ok?
09:52 < blindcoder> Mike1: okay.
09:52 < blindcoder> I just wanted to start a build of rev 584, that's why I asked :)
09:53 < Mike1> blindcoder: hehe all you need is my patch
09:53 < Mike1> just let the pkg build finish to simple be 100% sure the "bug" is gone
09:53 < blindcoder> okay, I'll post my progress to #rocklinux-status as usual
10:07 < netrunner> moin
10:07 < Mike1> hi netrunner :)
10:08 < netrunner> Mike1: hi, have you noticed that xfree86 stopped building?
10:08 < Mike1> netrunner: no.. revision?
10:08 < netrunner> it says here while making install "rm: cannot remove `/usr/X11': Is a directory" and ERRORs
10:08 < Mike1> netrunner: mm...
10:08 < Mike1> can you send me the full error log please
10:09 < netrunner> rev 579.
10:09 < netrunner> all pkgs on X fail too.
10:09 < Mike1> nety send me the xfree86 error log
10:09 < Mike1> netrunner: read query
10:12 < Mike1> netrunner: ...
10:12 < netrunner> Mik1: on the way.
10:12 < Mike1> :)
10:12 < netrunner> I think I remember a talk about something in the X tree having moved *searchingml*
10:13 < Mike1> mm..
10:13 < netrunner> ah ... mail from zhekov/Rene yesterday.
10:13 < Mike1> mail here
10:13 < Mike1> reading log
10:15 < netrunner> Mike1: maybe also read rene's mail from yesterday, he is aware of the problem
10:15 * netrunner -> breakfast brb
10:22 < Mike1> netrunner: let me know when you come back i think i got the solution
10:22 < Mike1> but you will ahve to test it for me
10:22 < Mike1> :)
10:22 < esden> good morning everyone
10:22 < Mike1> Moin esdy
10:22 < Mike1> God bless you
10:23 < blindcoder> morning esden
10:23 < esden> hi Mike1, blindcoder 
10:23 < esden> *hug* you both ;-)
10:24 < Lorini> huhu
10:24 < esden> hi Lorini !
10:25 < Lorini> hi esden :)
10:28 < blindcoder> esden: I've got an invitation for you and Uwe lying around here
10:28 < blindcoder> esden: could you get them today?
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10:29 < esden> erm ... yes ... 
10:29 < netrunner> Mike1: back :)
10:29 < netrunner> esden: moin
10:29 < Mike1> welcome back nety
10:29 < Mike1> moment
10:30 < blindcoder> esden: don't worry, it's not an invitation from me, but from matthias
10:30 < esden> why afraid?
10:31 < esden> im mean worry ...
10:31 < esden> hi netrunner !
10:33 < netrunner> esden: today we start learning ds2. how many points have you had?
10:33 < Mike1> netrunner: you have mail
10:34 < Mike1> netrunner: please let me know if it works, so i can submit it to the rlml
10:38 < netrunner> Mike1: applied and restarted build.
10:38 < tcr> Gcc3 failed in stage 0; I think I fixed the problem, but running Build-Target again doesn't try to compile gcc3 again, but immediately begins with linux24
10:39 < Mike1> netrunner: excellent, netrunner hopefully it will work this time, please keep me informed i wanna know it solved the problem
10:39 < tcr> Wasn't it so that Build-Target goes through the package list and looks whether a package failed. If so, rebuild it again
10:39 < tcr> How can I force this behaviour?
10:39 < Mike1> tcr: did you specify, retry building broken packages when you running srcipts/Config ?
10:40 < tcr> Oh, I didn't.
10:40 < Mike1> tcr: duh :)
10:41 < tcr> Hmm, I actually read something else out of that (and didnt bother pressing on help)
10:41 < Mike1> hehe
10:42 < tcr> it starts with linux24 again
10:42 < tcr> maybe that is in fact the first package to be build (and my memory is just a bit flawly)
10:42 < tcr> built
10:42 < Mike1> tcr: you are on stage 0?
10:43 < tcr> Yeah, gcc3 failed due to some missing header file
10:43 < Mike1> mm..
10:43 < Mike1> tcr: clean up and restart build
10:43 < Mike1> tcr: ./scripts/Cleanup -full
10:43 < Mike1> beware that will remove everything inside build/
10:43 < tcr> Best idea. Linux24 failed due to patch conflicts
10:47 < Mike1> netrunner: any news for me yet?
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10:49 < netrunner> Mike1: not yet, I only restarted the build, so there are 3 packages before xfree886 rebuilt. But your solution looked good to me.
10:50 < Mike1> ok so lets wait and see :)
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11:04 < daja77> Mike1: you are still here?
11:04 < Mike1> daja77: yes why?
11:04 < Mike1> :)
11:04 < Mike1> good mourning daja77 btw :)
11:05 < daja77> morning Mike1
11:05 < daja77> Mike1: what time is it?
11:05 < Mike1> Sat Jun 21 03:05:25 CST 2003
11:05 < Mike1> ...?
11:05 < daja77> still at work?
11:06 < Mike1> daja77: doing techworx stuff
11:06 < Mike1> + rock debugging
11:06 < daja77> 11:05
11:06 < Mike1> ?
11:07 < Mike1> daja77: not really willing to to bed here ...
11:07 < Mike1> go*
11:08 < daja77> well then go on coding ;-)
11:08 < Mike1> i am.
11:08 < Mike1> :)
11:08 < Mike1> yes i know its weird to see me around at this tinme
11:08 < daja77> I like it anyway
11:09 < Mike1> ?
11:09 < rxr> re
11:09 < daja77> re rxr
11:09 < Mike1> welcome back rxr
11:09 < rxr> yes hi Mike1
11:10 < daja77> rxr: you haven't slept as well?
11:10 < Mike1> daja77: sure he did :)
11:10 * daja77 feeling old ....
11:10 < rxr> daja77: nope I slept
11:10 < Mike1> daja77: why so?
11:11 < daja77> need too much sleep
11:12 < daja77> woo my build finished
11:12 < Mike1> daja77: no worries esden is just like you
11:12 < Mike1> :)
11:13 < daja77> *lol*
11:13 < Mike1> he needs at least 8 hours of sleep
11:13 < esden> Mike1: o_O
11:13 < Mike1> nothing less, thats his minimal quota :)
11:13 < daja77> me too, that sucks
11:13 * Mike1 hides
11:13 < esden> I am not like daja77 !!!!
11:13 < esden> I am better ;-)
11:13 < esden> *fg*
11:13 * Mike1 runs
11:13 < daja77> haha
11:13 < Mike1> ah :)
11:14 < Mike1> i felt death really close
11:14 * -> esden runs after Mike1 with a baseball stick
11:14 < blindcoder> s/stick/bat/
11:14 < Mike1> holy sh*t
11:14 < esden> ok ... bat ... thanks blindcoder 
11:14 < daja77> hi blindcoder
11:14 < blindcoder> hi daja77
11:14 < Auzain> tag rxr
11:14 < Auzain> tag daja77
11:14 < daja77> feelöing better today?
11:14 < esden> Mike1: run ... or I will hit the brain out of your head ;-)
11:14 < daja77> hey Auzain
11:15 < daja77> esden: you wanna hit what *ggg*
11:15 < esden> urm ... the stuff that is/is not in Mike1's head 
11:16 * Mike1 gives a deep look to daja77 and esden
11:16 < Mike1> you 2 will die.
11:16 < esden> ok ... I will hit his head so long that it goes out of his ass ... ( daja77 is it better? )
11:16 < blindcoder> daja77: only in terms of sleep and sober
11:16 < daja77> ic
11:17 * Mike1 grabs a white chocale bar.. blindcoder want some?
11:17 < Mike1> chocolate*
11:17 < daja77> esden: qwe should run
11:17 < blindcoder> Mike1: nah, thanks. I'm happy that I've lost 8-9 kilos now
11:17 < Mike1> damn i'm falling asleep
11:17 < Mike1> blindcoder: hey congratz man! keep going :)
11:17 < blindcoder> Mike1: thanks...
11:17 < esden> daja77: no ... I will not run ... I will fight 
11:17 < daja77> hehe
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11:18 < daja77> brb
11:18 < esden> Mike1: you should see blindcoder ... you really see that he lost on weight ... he looks also much better ... 
11:19 < Mike1> esden: so he still have a a chance with you ?
11:19 < Mike1> *ggg*
11:19 * Mike1 hides slowly..
11:20 * Mike1 getting serious for a moment.
11:20 < Mike1> blindcoder: honestly i'm proud of you.
11:20 < Mike1> back to fun / joking mode.
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11:21 < esden> Mike1: rofl
11:22 < Mike1> esden: ?
11:22 < esden> I was loughing about your modes ...
11:22 < Mike1> :P
11:22 < esden> but that was a nice solution ...
11:22 < daja77>  /mode +s Mike1
11:22 < Mike1> hehe
11:23 < esden> daja77: /mode +j Mike1 
11:23 < daja77> journallling?
11:23 < esden> daja77: no "joking"
11:23 < netrunner> 11:13 builder:      building job '5-xfree86' (2067) ..
11:23 < Mike1>  /mode +fje
11:23 < Mike1> netrunner: good ... :)
11:23 < daja77> hehe
11:24 < Mike1> welcome back Lorini
11:24 * daja77 dowloading current flamewars from ML
11:24 < Auzain> daja77: you asked me about linuxtag, will there a rocklinux 'stand'
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11:25 < daja77> Auzain: yes
11:25 < Auzain> all the 4 days?
11:25 < daja77> yes
11:25 < daja77> and I#ll be there ;-)
11:25 < esden> daja77: hehe ;-)
11:25 < Auzain> hehe
11:26 < daja77> hmm this was just a warning ...
11:26 < Mike1> *ggg*
11:26 < tcr> daja77: Didn't you say yesterday that you're building beta6 atm?
11:26 < daja77> build finished this morning
11:27 < tcr> I couldn't find a beta6 sourceball
11:27 < Auzain> karlsruhe ... ist nicht si weit von hier, hehe...
11:27 < daja77> ther isn't any, svn co is your friend ;-)
11:27 < daja77> Auzain: so you'll come
11:28 < rxr> has anyons some commenta about versioned kernel sybols vs. not versioned?
11:28 < tcr> Then don't say you're building beta6 if you in truth build some revision from the beta6-branch
11:28 < daja77> tcr: :P
11:29 < Auzain> könnte sein...
11:29 < daja77> rxr: not versioned maybe reduce the unresolved symbols messages
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11:29 < tcr> what are you talking about?
11:29 < daja77> the Lorini bot is back ;-)
11:29 < daja77> tcr: about kernel option: set version on all modules
11:30 < tcr> you mean that you insmod a module that's been compiled for anther kernel version?
11:31 < daja77> sth like that
11:32 < rxr> tcr: no I meat that I continously get uresolved symbols due to this options (I have not yet got the real value for) ...
11:33 < Lorini> bot?!
11:33 < Mike1> *ggg*
11:33 < daja77> I can only say that rh uses this option, which means for them to do a depmod -a on every startup
11:33 < Mike1> Lorini: kick him kick him :)
11:34 < Lorini> im gonna think about it ;)
11:34 < Mike1> grr.. :)
11:34 < daja77> Mike1 wants to see somebody get kicked all the time
11:34 < Mike1> daja77: hehe its your fault
11:34 < daja77> Lorini: just kidding ;-)
11:35 < Mike1> daja77: you made me adicted
11:35 < daja77> Mike1: mine?
11:35 < daja77> *rofl*
11:35 < Mike1> :P
11:35 < Lorini> ;)
11:36 < Mike1> brb coffee
11:37 < daja77> .oO he will die today ...
11:38 < daja77> rxr: btw are you still angry?
11:40 < daja77> and another btw, do you want me to be the svn maintainer?
11:41 * blindcoder bbl
11:41 < esden> ok ... I get a shower ... 
11:41 < esden> I have to drive my car to service today and thange the oil ...
11:41 < esden> change*
11:42 < esden> I hate such work
11:42 < esden> it is so dirty
11:42 < esden> I prefere messing around wit ha pc .. it is not so dirty
11:42 < daja77> hehe you haven't seen mine ;-)
11:44 < Mike1> re
11:44 < Mike1> daja77: you want to maintain svn ?!?!
11:45 < daja77> Mike1: you don't want me too?
11:45 < Mike1> svn tree or svn package?
11:46 < daja77> package
11:46 < Mike1> daja77: i'm just asking, i have nothing against ya :)
11:46 < Auzain> daja77: 270km
11:46 < daja77> Mike1: okis
11:47 < daja77> Auzain: you wanna join the team?
11:48 < Auzain> what do you mean with 'join the team'
11:48 * Mike1 wonders what are the requisits to join yhe team :)
11:49 < daja77> hmm dunno
11:49 < tcr> Auzain: Hangin' around with all the other ROCK people
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11:50 < daja77> tcr: hehe good description
11:50 < tcr> Auzain: btw. are you native french or native german?
11:51 < Auzain> elsässer ;-)
11:52 < Auzain> daja77: is there something to pay for join the team? ;-)
11:52 * tcr started second try of a build. Now it's beta5
11:53 < tcr> Auzain: Yeah, you ought to bring food with you.
11:53 < Auzain> ne parteikarte?
11:53 < daja77> pay me! nah just kidding
11:53 < daja77> Auzain: you should send a mail to ripclaw (you can write it in german)
11:54 < tcr> Hmm, should we found a ROCK e.V.?
11:54 < Auzain> e.V.?
11:54 < daja77> eingetragener Verein
11:54 < Auzain> helau
11:54 < daja77> nah I hate e.V. rules
11:55 < tcr> eingetragener Verein = registered association
11:56 < Auzain> tcr: bitte nicht deutch auf english übersetzen ... ;-)
11:57 < Auzain> sonst komme ich noch in die klapsmühle
11:57 < daja77> o_O
11:58 * Auzain is away: essen
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12:08 * daja77 off for breakfast && shopping
12:08 < daja77> Mike1: still alive?
12:08 < Mike1> ack
12:08 < daja77> good, just checking ;-)
12:09 < Mike1> daja77: don't spect too much, am going to rest a bit ina some minutes
12:09 < Mike1> daja77: just waiting too see if a fix of mine worked to submit a patch
12:09 < daja77> nah I am wondering that you are still working
12:09 < daja77> sleep well then Mike1
12:09 < Mike1> thx daja77
12:10 < daja77> I guess you'll be around on monday
12:10 < Mike1> talking about fixes, netrunner?
12:10 < Mike1> daja77: i will come back in some hours
12:10 < daja77> heh cya
12:10 < Mike1> daja77: i need to submit my work asap
12:10 < daja77> why that
12:11 < Mike1> daja77: lets just say it is of a hight commercial priority
12:11 < daja77> okis
12:11 < Mike1> daja77: so where are going?
12:11 < Mike1> +u
12:11 < daja77> I'll go shopping
12:12 < Mike1> have fun
12:12 < daja77> thx
12:25 < Mike1> n8
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12:44 < blindcoder> back
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13:13 < netrunner> Mike1: 11:13 builder:      building job '5-xfree86' (2067) ..
13:13 < netrunner> 11:55 builder:      finished job '5-xfree86' (ok)
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13:49 < alexander> Hi all
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13:50 < Auzain_> tag Auzain
13:58 < alexander> bye all :)
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14:19 < rxr> cool
14:19 < rxr> my MacOnLinux package + patchting makes progress
15:04 < tfing> do'h ! blindcoder talks about rock in a freshmeat comment ;)
15:07 < Freak> heh
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15:18 < rxr> hi Freak
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15:44 < cchamilt> re
15:45 < esden> hi cchamilt 
15:45 < esden> and re hi all
15:46 < cchamilt> Just checking in before working on stuff
15:46 < cchamilt> Do you have time to fix dietlibc ip?
15:48 < cchamilt> Been wondering about initrd layout in general.
15:50 < rxr> New screenshot (PPC):
15:50 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/screens-other.html
15:51 < esden> cchamilt: dietlibc ip ???
15:51 < cchamilt> iproute2 has been breaking in dietlibc
15:51 < esden> urgh ...
15:51 < esden> \
15:51 < esden> at the moment I have no time to do that ...
15:52 < cchamilt> esden: not a big deal
15:52 < esden> I would have to update my sources ... that is a big deal ... :-(
15:52 < cchamilt> esden: not sure why initrd needs ip anyway
15:53 < cchamilt> esden: I think 2nd_stage is where network should be anyway.
15:53 < rxr> cchamilt: could you take a look into it? (otherwise I'll ...)
15:53 < esden> I think that it is needed because you can load 2nd level root filesystem from network
15:53 < rxr> esden: ack
15:54 < cchamilt> esden: Yes, but where then did you get initrd from...
15:54 * Auzain is back (gone 03:56:02)
15:54 < cchamilt> esden: Off say a cd or perhaps set of floppies...
15:54 < rxr> cchamilt: from a tiny floppy - or over network, too
15:55 < cchamilt> bootp could do it all then
15:55 * rxr off for lunch ...
15:55 < esden> rxr: bon apetitt
15:56 < cchamilt> maybe we should have a bootp target
15:56 < cchamilt> bootp install target that is
15:56 < esden> hmm ... could also be a solution
15:57 < cchamilt> could switch back to busybox also
15:57 < cchamilt> it has ifconifg
15:57 < cchamilt> about the only thing missing is bz2 and awk
15:57 < daja77> re
15:57 < esden> cchamilt: I would say that the 2nd_stage_small should use such thing
15:57 < esden> s
15:57 < esden> the big one should use full blown apps
15:58 < cchamilt> heck initrd could have busybox
15:58 < esden> o_O
15:58 < cchamilt> esden: initrd having awk just for hwscan is nuts
15:59 < esden> hehe .. yes ;-)
15:59 < cchamilt> esden: should complie it
15:59 < daja77> huh awk isn't that big?
15:59 < cchamilt> there is an awk compiler
15:59 < cchamilt> 110K awk for a 8K script
16:00 < esden> I think that there is still some optimaziton possible in the install discs target
16:00 < cchamilt> yep,  I am trying
16:00 < daja77> ack throw 2.5 out
16:00 < cchamilt> to bad I am corporate oriented
16:01 < cchamilt> must finish product by linuxworld or I wont get rich...
16:01 < cchamilt> heck, I missed another test point today
16:01 < cchamilt> tomorrow I hope to fix that
16:02 < cchamilt> Sun is looking at early this week.
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16:03 < cchamilt> Rock will rule the appliance market in Asia
16:03 < esden> cchamilt: I would be happy to help you ... but curretnly I am in exam stress ... >_<
16:03 < cchamilt> I hope....
16:03 < esden> university swollows lot of my time
16:03 < cchamilt> Yeah, I know it is a priority.
16:03 < cchamilt> I can't hire many people till next month anyway
16:04 < cchamilt> And that requires a finished product: Chicken and egg problem...
16:04 < esden> I have to wait another 1,5 years to be able to work on rock full time ... if somebody pays me ;-)
16:04 < esden> cchamilt: I would do that work for free ... if that would mean I can work lateron full time on rock ...
16:05 < esden> but having a paper that I finished uni ... is importaint in this fscking world ...
16:05 < cchamilt> esden: If you are willing to risk that we might not survive...
16:06 < cchamilt> esden: Not sure, most of our current business people are not graduates
16:06 < cchamilt> esden: Of course that is business...
16:07 < esden> hmm ... 
16:08 < cchamilt> We have a ton of projects coming up, though funding is always questionable.
16:08 < esden> the risk that I will have no job after I have studied is high enough ... :-(
16:08 < daja77> ack
16:08 < esden> and even higher when I do not graduate
16:08 < cchamilt> I think if you help out, we will pay for your time if you keep track of it.
16:10 < daja77> that reminds me of testing my new isos ...
16:21 < Auzain> daja77: what for new isos?
16:21 < daja77> that I build for myself beta6 ;-)
16:21 < Auzain> haha
16:21 < Auzain> hehe
16:24 < Auzain> how do you say umfrage in english?
16:24 < daja77> poll
16:25 < Auzain> then a little poll: ext3, reiserfs or xfs?
16:25 < daja77> ext3
16:30 < daja77> .oO need to update my presentation, if I wanna promote rock next week ...
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17:35 < daja77> *gnarf* who broke the installer
17:36 < daja77> someone here?
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17:44 < martin> hi all
17:45 < daja77> hi martin
17:45 < martin> hi daja77 ;)
17:46 < daja77> I lost three cds it seems :-(
17:47 < rxr> daja77: why did you lost CDs ?
17:47 < rxr> hi martin
17:48 < rxr> martin: MOL is now working for me - but it needs further smothing to be joe useable
17:48 < rxr> martin: screenshot on: https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/screens-other.html
17:48 < daja77> rxr: I mean I can do install I guess, but not with stone
17:48 < daja77> stone is reuqesting a cd #0 and can't find :(
17:48 < rxr> daja77: what is stone doing (or failing?)
17:49 < rxr> daja77: ah - then your build has some mis-match
17:49 < daja77> huh?
17:49 < rxr> daja77: didn't the post-target checks warned about missing files ?
17:49 < daja77> mom
17:49 < rxr> daja77: and when you skip this CD #0 package - do you get to packages that are installable ?
17:50 < martin> rxr: nice. Is there are gem-package? :)
17:52 < cchamilt> rxr: give you a glibc patch for smp stuff?
17:52 < daja77> it says subversion.gem not found and stuff
17:52 * daja77 puzzled
17:57 < cchamilt> rxr:                eval $MAKE localedata/install-locales
17:57 < cchamilt>                 cd ..  <---
17:57 < cchamilt>                 cp -f localedata/SUPPORTED $root/usr/share/i18n/
17:57 < daja77> could it be that some important packages didn't made on the first cd
17:58 < SMP> cchamilt: ?
17:58 < daja77> ok now installing the rest of the packages with stone
17:58 < cchamilt> smp: Yep
17:58 < SMP> cchamilt: what's the problem?
17:58 < cchamilt> Two things to the SUPPORTED patch:
17:59 < SMP> hmm, I didn't test the cp thing
17:59 < cchamilt> diff was done reverse - ie. it is looking for glibc-2.3.2-stefanp to be updated
18:00 < SMP> no, -p1
18:00 < cchamilt> and the eval $MAKE localedata/install-locales call somehow does not end up in glibc root
18:00 < SMP> I tested _that_
18:00 < cchamilt> mike1 and I have both confirmed these.
18:00 < cchamilt> glibc stage 5 burps.
18:01 < SMP> well if the eval $MAKE ... brakes it can't be my patch
18:01 < SMP> show me a log, please
18:01 < cchamilt> I did an echo `pwd` on a run after eval $MAKE localedata/install-locales
18:01 < cchamilt> Second
18:03 < rxr> martin: not yet I'm sill fixing this up - later (maybe tomorrow) there will be a .gem pacakge - but youneed to install a new kernel, too ....
18:06 < martin> rxr: okay.
18:06 < martin> rxr: do you add pixie (the best KDE image viewer) to (d)rock? (https://www.mosfet.org/pixie/)
18:09 < rxr> hm - maybe I should ...
18:10 < SMP> rxr: my glibc23.conf patch was buggy. can you please just edit the 'cp localedata/SUPPORTED ...' to read 'cp ../localedata/SUPPORTED ...'
18:10 < blindcoder> good morning *yawn*
18:10 < daja77> ahem wb blindcoder
18:10 * blindcoder just had a 5 haur nap
18:11 < blindcoder> hour, even
18:11 < daja77> sleepycoder ;-)
18:12 < rxr> SMP: done
18:12 < martin> rxr: It's very very fast. But on drock2 there are some compiler errors :(
18:12 < rxr> you mean on your iBook - or on a old drock-1.6.x ?
18:13 < blindcoder> daja77: yeah >_<
18:14 < martin> rxr: on old dock-1.6 it work. Errors are on my iBook
18:14 < rxr> martin: the tfh-berlin.de routes have not yet come up again :-(
18:14 < martin> rxr: I know :((
18:17 < daja77> strange the rest of the install seems to work
18:19 < rxr> daja77: normally missing files due to rebuilds and updates in the build
18:20 < rxr> I added many checks for those conditionas already - take a look into the log - you should have an error for those missing files....
18:20 < daja77> rxr: and did no rebuilds, this was a clean rev 561 build
18:20 < daja77> I even
18:37 < rxr> daja77: which files are missing - and could you do some analysis how this happend?
18:38 < cchamilt> Man I think xeon hyperthreads are slow as crap
18:39 < cchamilt> My 1.5GHz dual k7 has to be much faster.
18:39 < daja77> rxr: I'll see after install is finshed, btw why we have disc #0 #2 and #3 ?
18:40 < cchamilt> damn thing is even using a fc and it is just slow...
18:41 < daja77> cchamilt: ahem do you want to tell us that intel sucks?
18:41 < cchamilt> heh
18:41 < cchamilt> No, just something wron with IBM x245s with an IBM fc I think.
18:42 < cchamilt> It is using about 30% of the system to do two simultaneous builds.
18:42 < cchamilt> My k7s max at 80-90% doing two builds, but finish packages much faster
18:43 < cchamilt> bottleneck somewhere
18:45 < cchamilt> I think similar utilization should be at least 60%.
18:45 < daja77> /mnt/target/tmp/stone_postinstall.sh not found *damnit*
18:45 < cchamilt> Maybe scheduler problems...
18:45 < daja77> so I can forget the idea giving this isos to someone :-(
18:46 < daja77> *headbang*
18:48 < daja77> *argl* I get no clue out of this
18:48 < daja77> the log said I build a package subversion-0.23.gem
18:48 < daja77> the installer wants to install a subversion-0.24.1.gem, I don't get it
18:49 < daja77> the check for older files returned no error
18:55 < rxr> daja77: strange - maybe you mixed some builds ?
18:56 < daja77> no!
18:56 < daja77> *sigh*
18:56 < daja77> scripts/Build-Target -cfg generic -job 5-subversion
18:57 < daja77> just builds 0.24.1 now, same dir no change
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19:04 < daja77> hi mnemoc
19:05 < mnemoc> hi daja
19:06 < mnemoc> do you know any smtp-auth server (just to redirect to the real one) for win32?
19:09 < daja77> no
19:10 < daja77> this build is a nightmare, can't remember such a bad build for weeks, is this just my stupidity, or did I just checked out at the wrong time?
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19:11 < Sharadim> hello (hola?)
19:11 < daja77> hi Sharadim
19:11 < Sharadim> :)
19:11 < Sharadim> i got a little problem with my new brand installed rock :/
19:12 < daja77> oh if it just little then tell us
19:12 < Sharadim> when installing it says "theres a problem with libtiff"..now i cant open KDE cause it says "no $display"... is it because of that?
19:13 < Sharadim> i mean.....the libtiff package is needed to open kde?
19:13 < daja77> no display is usually due a misconfigured X
19:13 < Sharadim> xf86config u mean?
19:13 < mnemoc> Sharadim: what version of rock are you using?
19:13 < Sharadim> i configured it.....(well i cant find my graphic card...just use Vga :(
19:14 < daja77> I mean /etc/X11/XF86Config
19:14 < Sharadim> ajap
19:14 < daja77> ahem use vesa instead
19:14 < Sharadim> 1.4 i think (kernel version 2.4.20)
19:14 < daja77> *argl* 1.4 again, why?
19:14 < Sharadim> so maybe i just gotta use some graphic card drivers ....configure xf86 and its all?
19:15 < daja77> what card?
19:15 < Sharadim> savage 3d
19:15 < daja77> nah normal X should be ok, use the vesa driver
19:16 < daja77> rxr: haha more strange news for you
19:16 < daja77> see this:
19:16 < Sharadim> vesa? okiss....ill try then right now that...
19:16 < daja77> == 18:57:20 =[5]=> Building rene/subversion [0.24.1 2.0.0-beta6].
19:16 < daja77> == 06/21/03 19:01:48 =[5]=> Finished building package subversion.
19:16 < Sharadim> thanx a lot people! hope next time ill see u trough my rocklinux ;)
19:16 < Sharadim> bye!
19:16 < daja77> Creating binary package file for subversion.
19:16 < daja77> -> Building build/.../pkgs/subversion-0.23.0.tar.bz2
19:16 < daja77> -> Building build/.../pkgs/subversion-0.23.0.gem
19:16 < daja77> -> Removing temporary tar.bz2.
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19:17 < daja77> it builds 0.24.1 and names the package 0.23 wtf
19:17 < daja77> could this be a messed up config/* issue?
19:18 < daja77> rxr: ?
19:19 < blindcoder> #rocklinux-status will now carry build-output from revision 585 + sysfiles.conf patch
19:19 < daja77> guess I need a new build before gion to MD ...
19:20 < daja77> rev 585 would be fine
19:20 < blindcoder> daja77: I'm optimising for pentium 4
19:21 < daja77> *shrug* I'll do it myself anyway
19:21 < blindcoder> k
19:23 < blindcoder> maybe I -should enable paranoia checks...
19:23 < daja77> if the record industry would know how many cds I waste for rock, they'd maybe stop claiming that all are used for muisc
19:23 < daja77> blindcoder: yepp it would be better
19:24 < blindcoder> daja77: no, they would prosecute you for making 'copies' of Operating Systems since they're as dumb as the night dark
19:25 < rxr> daja77: hm - no idea
19:26 < rxr> daja77: please use cdrw - for out environment - please!
19:26 < blindcoder> hehe
19:26 < daja77> rxr: don't have that much cdrw, 2nd they are too slow
19:27 < daja77> rxr: well I deleted every thing in config/ and started scripts/config again, hope this avoids such crap
19:27 * blindcoder now having a "Hallo-Wach"-coffee and then goes playing some billiard
19:28 < blindcoder> bye!
19:28 < daja77> cu blindcoder
19:29 < daja77> it is just depressing getting such a mess out of a clean build ...
19:30 < daja77> anyway, did a svn up, dopwnload starting new build this night should be ready on monday *praying*
19:31 < daja77> waa chinese spam on the list
19:33 < rxr> daja77: buy some - they are much cheaper compared to throwing many CDRs away
19:33 < rxr> and in fact today they are also quite fast ...
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19:54 < Sharadim> hi again :(
19:55 < Sharadim> i couldnt make my system go
19:55 < Sharadim> (i could open kde....after run startx! :?)
19:56 < Sharadim> hello??????
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20:02 < rxr> hello
20:02 < rxr> Sharadim: what exactly did you do ?
20:02 < Sharadim> !
20:02 < Sharadim> emm
20:02 < Sharadim> ok
20:02 < Sharadim> i did:
20:02 < Sharadim> xf86config
20:02 < Sharadim> so i configured X server
20:03 < rxr> Mike1: are you here?
20:03 < Sharadim> startx works (it goes to wmanager , simple)
20:03 < Sharadim> but startkde, kdeinit, doesnt work
20:03 < Sharadim> i cant use kde....
20:03 < rxr> Sharadim: what error do you get for startkde?
20:03 < Sharadim> then i did: startx , and from there (from those windows) i said: startkde ..and it gos
20:04 < rxr> maybe it is not in the path - do you have a login shell or in clude the /etc/profile via ". /etc/profile" ?
20:04 < Sharadim> ok, listen:
20:04 < Sharadim> xsetroot: unable to open display ' '
20:04 < Sharadim> xset: unable to open display " "
20:04 < Sharadim> (4 times)
20:04 < rxr> Sharadim: ? X is running - but you get this "unable to open display" ?
20:04 < Sharadim>  ksplash : cannot connect to x server
20:04 < Sharadim> kdeinit:aboriting
20:05 < Sharadim> yeap, i can startx , but cannot startkde
20:05 < Sharadim> any idea?
20:05 < rxr> when you have run startx - you have the X server - and you run the startkde or xset and so on in a xterm (or simmilar) inside X ?
20:06 < Sharadim> yes
20:06 < Sharadim> thats it
20:06 < rxr> Sharadim: sorry I never saw such a thing ...
20:06 < rxr> Sharadim: which ISO did you install ? (or selfbuild ?)
20:06 < mnemoc> 1.4 :(
20:06 < rxr> Sharadim: you installed 1.4 ????????
20:07 < rxr> geeting mnemoc btw ;-)!
20:07 < Sharadim> rocklinux 1.4 (kernel 2.4.20
20:07 < rxr> urghs - erhm - well maybe - erhm urgs
20:07 < mnemoc> greeting rxr :)
20:07 < Sharadim> emmm wait......1.4? ....not sure.. :'(
20:07 < Sharadim> i know i got kernel 2.4.20 ...
20:07 < Sharadim> (i dl rocklinux about 2 months ago...
20:08 < rxr> Sharadim: this 1.4 is years old ...
20:08 < mnemoc> even 1.6 is much better than that
20:08 < rxr> Sharadim: I would support such an old ROCK - if this would be s.th. I had contributed to - but at this time I had a ROCK Linux fork call dRock ... - so I could support my dRock 1.4.x or 1.6.x releases - but currently we are at ROCK Linux 2.0-beta5 ...
20:09 < rxr> Sharadim: if you have a fast connection please download 2.0.0-beta4+fixes ....
20:09 < Sharadim> nop, i dont have fast connection..
20:10 < mnemoc> 1.4 is almost 'gurus-only'
20:10 < mnemoc> :)
20:10 < Sharadim> i think im not a guro XD
20:10 < Sharadim> guru
20:11 < Sharadim> i gotta go....see u latter...hope ill find some solution :P
20:11 < Sharadim> bye and thanks again ;)
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20:24 < holyolli> moin
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21:04 < tcr> Grr.
21:04 < tcr> rock fucked up my machine
21:07 < tcr> Not sure what happened. I was away and when I came back, a lot of "[...]/build/[...]/var/adm/logs/2-binutils.err: no such file or directory" messages were being printed
21:07 < tcr> I only know that this happend after compiling binutils in stage 1( and not 2!)
21:08 < tcr> I guess that the stage variable is incremented, although it shouldn't
21:09 < tcr> well, the crappy thing is that it at one hand created tons of src.* directories (no idea why), and each of such dirs contains --bind mounted partitions
21:10 < tcr> I was ranning an Cleanup -full 2 or three hours, no valuable effect
21:10 < tcr> umount -a fails due to Out of memory (gets killed by OOM after 1minute)
21:11 < tcr> Well, it's not irreparable however. Just using single user system to fix my system again.
21:11 < tcr> But rxr: You really should take a look at Build-Pkg (which script caused the error message)
21:13 < tcr> brb
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21:43 < owl> hi
21:44 < cchamilt> rxr ?
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21:58 < mnemoc> tcr: what is your dead machine?
21:59 < tcr> athlon-xp
21:59 < mnemoc> oh...
22:00 < mnemoc> i expirenced the same on a p-mmx a couple of weeks ago...
22:00 < mnemoc> but it never recovered :-\
22:00 < tcr> what do you mean with recover?
22:00 < tcr> you couldn't reproduce the bug, or you couldn't recover your system?
22:00 < mnemoc> i couldn't build anything after that
22:01 < tcr> Well, I'll - and must - start a new build too
22:01 < mnemoc> after building any medium-size package i can't do 'ls'
22:01 < mnemoc> and can't finish any big-size pacakge
22:02 < mnemoc> lot of segfault... lot of parse errors in system's /usr/include, etc...
22:02 < tcr> How that?
22:02 < mnemoc> fs corruption.... resume: hell
22:03 < mnemoc> random build errors...
22:03 < tcr> yeah, the partition, where I built, has been also corrupted
22:03 < mnemoc> even random checksums :S
22:03 < mnemoc> may be rock is too heavy-duty for my machine
22:04 < mnemoc> and i have hw damage
22:05 < mnemoc> i'll try to reinstall it when {Mike|*} release a minimal iso
22:06 < tcr> Ah, that reminds me.. Is your pmmx in an AT case?
22:06 < mnemoc> hope to have somekind of glibc/kernel corruption and not hw damage :-(
22:06 < mnemoc> yep... AT
22:06 < tcr> Excellent!!
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22:06 < mnemoc> ?
22:06 < owl> hi netrunner
22:06 < mnemoc> hi openwall, hi netrunner
22:07 < mnemoc> :P
22:07 < tcr> mnemoc: Could you screw it off, and tell me the order of the cables that go from power unit to power buttons?
22:07 < mnemoc> sorry... that box is 3 hours from here :(
22:08 < tcr> Hmm, when will you be able to access it again?
22:08 < mnemoc> monday
22:08 < mnemoc> i guess
22:08 < tcr> that's ok, I think. Could you make you a note, please?
22:09 < mnemoc> sure...
22:09 < tcr> I'm talking about four cables: white, blue, black and brown
22:09 * mnemoc taking note
22:09 < Robin_Root> bye
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22:09 < mnemoc> bye
22:10 < tcr> mnemoc: I'm not talking about the connection between power unit and mainboard, but about the one between power unit and power buttons
22:11 < mnemoc> 4 cables to the case's panel?
22:11 < tcr> Precisely.
22:11 < mnemoc> i'll check on monday and tell you
22:12 < tcr> Wonderful. I've been looking for this information for one week already..
22:12 < mnemoc> hope to have those 4 cables ;)
22:13 < tcr> hmm
22:13 < tcr> hope my machine boots now!
22:14 < mnemoc> building rock IS heavy-duty... but you have much better hw than me
22:15 < tcr> Yeah since the beginning of july ;)
22:15 < tcr> june
22:15 < tcr> duh <:)
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22:19 < cchamilt> Anybody help me with a library question?
22:21 < cchamilt> heimdal replaces glob.h with its own using some define aliases for globs
22:21 < cchamilt> rsync then senses these aliases and tries to use them
22:22 < cchamilt> then I get ld errors about not finding these aliases
22:23 < tcr> your question is?
22:23 < cchamilt> The thing is, doesnt the included glob.h have enough info in the defines that glibc linking should have worked?
22:24 < cchamilt> I mean all that is in that has changed is some aliases, and those aliases are stated in the included header
22:24 < tcr> hmm, does it work if you use the actual glob.h file?
22:24 < cchamilt> So wouldn't rsync including the changed glob.h look for the original glob
22:25 < cchamilt> No idea
22:25 < cchamilt> Will have to go get the regular one and see.
22:26 < cchamilt> I don't see how the ld errors are produced that is all
22:26 < tcr> have no real idea
22:26 < tcr> you get errors about the things that the headerfile should (resp. does) define
22:26 < cchamilt> If rsync can find the calls in glob.h then it should see the defines as the calls are the defines
22:26 < tcr> ?
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22:27 < cchamilt> #define glob_t rk_glob_t
22:27 < cchamilt> #define glob rk_glob
22:27 < cchamilt> #define globfree rk_globfree
22:27 < cchamilt> Then ld complains it can't find rk_globfree
22:28 < cchamilt> I dont see how gcc wouldn't have converted these to their normal glob* stuff
22:28 < tcr> and foo.h (the headerfile with the above define's) contains the full content of glob.h?
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22:29 < tcr> or an #include <glob.h>?
22:30 < cchamilt> minus largefile and c++ support yes
22:30 < cchamilt> heimdal actually replaces glob.h
22:30 < cchamilt> on the target I might add.  Kind of a jerky install.
22:30 < cchamilt> It rewrites about 6 things.
22:31 < tcr> mom, I wanna test sth
22:31 < cchamilt> I need to patch it, but in the mean time I am wondering why it is a problem.
22:34 < tcr> strange, indeed
22:35 < tcr> put in a #include <glob.h> in that headerfile and comment everything out except for the three define statements
22:35 < tcr> just to see what happens
22:36 < tcr> and do that #include before the #defines
22:38 < cchamilt> OK
22:39 < cchamilt> oh wait, sorry I am tired.
22:39 < cchamilt> No no, it replaces and I mean installs on top of the current glob.h
22:39 < tcr> Hmm? Don't get what you mean now
22:40 < cchamilt> Which I said, I will clean up.  However, why it isn't linking is a separate problem
22:40 < cchamilt> ie. heimdal copies its glob.h to /usr/include/glob.h during install
22:40 < cchamilt> Found shared files with other packages:
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/bin/compile_et: e2fsprogs heimdal
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/bin/mk_cmds: e2fsprogs heimdal
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/include/fnmatch.h: glibc23 heimdal
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/include/glob.h: glibc23 heimdal
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/include/ss/ss.h: e2fsprogs heimdal
22:40 < tcr> omg!
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/share/man/man1/login.1: heimdal shadow
22:40 < cchamilt> usr/share/man/man5/login.access.5: heimdal shadow
22:40 < cchamilt> kind of a bad behaving install
22:41 < cchamilt> one reason I haven't sent it for inclusion...
22:41 < tcr> it's totally braindead. You should outrage the maintainer
22:41 < cchamilt> I am sending I nice letter to their list.
22:42 < netrunner> re
22:42 < tcr> But I'm completely confused what's your problem now..
22:43 * netrunner noticed that kde builds again (did not in my last build) Job 5-kdenetwork31            builder (1965) since 22:20 2003-6-21
22:44 < tcr> linux25 doesn't. Not sure wether that's an official problem or rock related
22:44 < cchamilt> Yep, no reason why ld should be complaining.
22:45 < tcr> cchamilt: But what are the circumstances now?
22:46 < cchamilt> Well just that heimdals glob.h is not linking rsync.  Not that this should be a known stable state.
22:46 < cchamilt> However, the only changes are the goofy defines in the glob.h, so no reason for ld to complain.
22:47 < tcr> where does it add those #define?
22:47 < cchamilt> the bad glob.h still represents the library
22:47 < netrunner> tcr: are the patches we have for linux25 prooved to work?
22:47 < cchamilt> At the top of its glob.h it replaced glibx's with.
22:47 < tcr> netrunner: Well, didn't bother with the failure. So I absolutely don't know
22:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: if you hand build linux25 it will failt the same
22:48 < tcr> Atm I'm still trying to recover my system :/
22:48 < cchamilt> tcr: Oh well I will go fixing heimdal anyway
22:48 < tcr> cchamilt: Ah, at the top?
22:49 < tcr> cchamilt: This might be a problem, not necessarily, but it could be. Just move them to the end, and see if it helps
22:49 < netrunner> does anyone read the kernel ml, and read something about the recent releases not building completely?
22:49 < cchamilt> OK.
22:49 < netrunner> what about disabling zftape-compression?
22:49 < tcr> netrunner: No, been unsubscribed for the last week because of vacation
22:50 < mnemoc> netrunner: 2.5.70 stopen at isdn....
22:51 < mnemoc> anybody has tested current kernel-disable list to see if the build now? (2.4)
22:51 < martin> gn8 all
22:51 < mnemoc> gn8 martin
22:51 < tcr> gn8 martin
22:52 < netrunner> mnemoc: yes, right.
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22:53 < mnemoc> maybe they do a deep change somewhere and they have to patch everything to support it ;)
22:54 < mnemoc> but linux25 is broken as hell
22:56 < netrunner> mnemoc: sure, it's developer stuff. I wouldn't want to use it anyway. Working important stuff gets backported.
22:58 < mnemoc> btw, anybody has a 'minimal' iso to share :-)
22:59 < netrunner> mnemoc: I could share bootdisk images ... is minimal enough to build?
23:00 < mnemoc> dunno...
23:00 < mnemoc> url? :)
23:01 < mnemoc> i have never installed a 1.7/2.0 :(
23:01 < netrunner> mnemoc: hm ... it says it has minimally more than LFS ... which iirc includes gcc.
23:02 < netrunner> mnemoc: my build station here runs ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta3
23:03 < mnemoc> i use(ed) a very hacked rh7 :)
23:04 < mnemoc> netrunner: url to leech your iso? ;)
23:07 < netrunner> mnemoc: can only give cds, have 5G limit here.
23:07 < netrunner> mnemoc: but that will change
23:08 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe I can give them to esden, he has no limit afaik
23:08 < mnemoc> esden!!!
23:09 < mnemoc> we that kind of staff at iso.rocklinux.de
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