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--- Log opened Mon Jun 23 00:00:19 2003
--- Day changed Mon Jun 23 2003
00:00 < daja77> confusing ui ...
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00:06 * daja77 shamelessly stealing cliffords first foils
00:13 < rxr> daja77: what is so confusing ?
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00:16 < daja77> rxr: have you ever tried to find/report a gnome bug
00:17 < rxr> no - I do not like gnome - maybe their bugs are as chaotic as their code ?
00:17 < rxr> I just browsed a few bugzillas and it looked ok ...
00:18 < daja77> I mean they use bugzilla it was hell
00:18 < rxr> and bug finding does not differ that much between the several tracker applications ...
00:18 < rxr> daja77: I got that you think it was because of bugzilla ...
00:18 < daja77> *ggg*
00:18 < rxr> daja77: when you point me to a quality non-bloated one I'll be very happy1
00:19 < daja77> rxr: I quite liked the gnats web frontends of *BSD
00:19 < daja77> it uses bdb, so same level as subversion ...
00:19 < daja77> the search was quite good as well
00:19 < rxr> oh - gnat seems to be yet another can of worms - not gnat plesae (/me guesses it is as bloaded as bugzilla ...)
00:20 < daja77> not really
00:21 < daja77> it can be completely controlled via email
00:21 < netrunner> re. interestingly my build pc froze somewhen around 2000 today (just noticed when I came home, no more reactions, had to hard reset)
00:23 < netrunner> maybe I should update that 2.4.21-rc2-rock somewhen.
00:24 < rxr> netrunner: we are at 2.4.21-rock ...
00:24 < daja77> rxr: I don't know if a bug tracking system is a benefit at today's project size
00:25 < rxr> at least I need a bug-tracking system - I do not want to add them all into a file by hand ...
00:25 < daja77> ic
00:29 < netrunner> rxr: I know, but my builder is not, he stayed at the beta3 I built for him once.
00:29 < rxr> and aside that we start to get more users - I have so many people using it here in berlin that I often come home from a evening-tea with a paper listing the next 10 bugs
00:29 < rxr> I guess that if we would have a issue-tracker people would use it
00:29 < rxr> netrunner: ah
00:30 < daja77> sounds good, ok bug tracking system then
00:30 < rxr> *lol*
00:30 < rxr> https://freshmeat.net/projects/orbug/?topic_id=92%2C846%2C822
00:31 < rxr> no page no info - is this a joke ?
00:32 < rxr> maybe:
00:32 < rxr> https://prass.sourceforge.net/index.html
00:32 < rxr> but it is written in C ...
00:35 < daja77> wow bein kicked from #anarchy, that chan was quite nice while she was away ...
00:38 * tsa_ visiting..
00:39 < daja77> brave tsa_ ;)
00:39 < rxr> daja77: why have you been kicked ?
00:39 < tsa_> only to offend her.. ;)
00:39 < daja77> rxr: hmm dunno for sure
00:40 < daja77> I only said I am not very interested in her question why people are shit ...
00:41 < daja77> anyway after bein pissed by a luser in another chan, nothing really gets me angry today
00:44 < tsa_> daja77: join again ;)
00:45 < daja77> tsa_: *lol*
00:48 < daja77> rxr: just watch the show ;-)
00:49 < rxr> coffee?
00:50 < daja77> dunno
00:50 < rxr> I think I'll take bugzilla
00:50 < rxr> even if it is fat and bloated - it is standard, it is highly likely that we can covert later, it gets updates, ... ...
00:50 < daja77> yeah convince that it is usable ;)
00:52 < rxr> daja77: could you try another bugzilla like mozilla or bugzilla itself, and comment on it tomorrow =
00:52 < rxr> ?
00:53 < daja77> on wednesday?
00:53 < rxr> hm ?
00:54 < daja77> I am very busy tomorrow and on tuesday (trip to MD, you know)
00:54 < daja77> wtf she had pissed capchaos as well
00:55 < rxr> ok - then i'll try it out ...
00:55 < daja77> sorry
00:55 < rxr> daja77: have fun cu
00:56 < daja77> n8 rxr
00:56 < daja77> cu as well ;-)
01:00 < daja77> wtf clifford says doin reference build is a good way for a newcomer?
01:02 < tsa_> hehe
01:02 < tsa_> at least everybody will know what's broken, then.
01:02 < daja77> *ggg*
01:03 < daja77> maybe it was a mistake ;-)
01:04 < tsa_> <- currently doing a build..
01:04 < tsa_> heavily modified.
01:04 * daja77 too unmodified
01:04 < daja77> hope to start the modified aka realtime rock tomorrow again
01:04 < tsa_> (no one really needs 3 bdb versions, 2 glibcs, 3-4 gcc's ...)
01:06 < daja77> strange she is complaining, I guess he just don't like to hear every evening, I'm gonna kill myself
01:06 < tsa_> indeed.
01:07 < tsa_> strange little girl.
01:07 < tsa_> talking way too much without ever making any of her claims true.
01:08 < daja77> you are evil ...
01:08 < tsa_> doesn't sound like a good basis for trust.
01:08 < tsa_> nope.
01:08 < daja77> not?!
01:09 < daja77> if she make it true there is no base for a relationship either
01:09 < mnemoc_> rxr: ping
01:09 < daja77> mnemoc_: he went to bed
01:09 < tsa_> but i doubt she'll ever look for a reason in herself, instead keep complaing abou everybody else.
01:09 < mnemoc_> :(
01:10 < daja77> tsa_: full ack
01:11 < tsa_> btw...most packages can be build with having only bdb41 ..
01:12 < tsa_> and i'd recommend to anyone against using any MTA as provided by a default rock package.
01:12 < tsa_> this setmailer stuff is ugly.
01:12 < daja77> yeah thought of using qmail ...
01:13 < tsa_> i'm a sendmail fan, so i won't be able to help you with that one ;)
01:13 < tsa_> but get rid of the setmailer stuff and disable building of the other mta's ..
01:13 < daja77> hehe didn't ask for your help
01:14 < tsa_> *G*
01:14 < tsa_> djb software needs a certain amount of acclimatisation, but it works pretty well..
01:15 < tsa_> and qmail just lacks some features i need..
01:15 < daja77> ic
01:16 < tsa_> <- running djbdns, daemontools and tcpserver on my home box..
01:16 < daja77> I'll try them when I have some time
01:17 < tsa_> definitely worth a look..
01:21 < mnemoc_> tsa_: runit + ipsvd + socklog are a great replacement to sysvinit + daemontools + tcpserver + syslog
01:21 < mnemoc_> and full gpl ;)
01:22 < tsa_> *G*
01:23 < tsa_> (i don't care about gpl but working software)
01:23 < mnemoc_> me neither, but i hope to include runit in rock :)... and i cand do the same with daemontools
01:24 < daja77> oh she dies again *rofl*
01:24 < daja77> gn8 you all
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01:25 < mnemoc_> gn8
01:26 < tsa_> daja77: hehe
01:49 < SMP> someone running beta5 or later, "man man > /dev/null" outputs anything?
01:51 < tsa_> i have a build running with current svn
01:51 < tsa_> "man man > /dev/null", chrooted to the build tree, yields absolutely nothing.
01:52 < tsa_> but when i look at the man page itself, it seems to be garbled with ESC chars..
01:52 < tsa_> ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m
01:52 < tsa_> ...
01:53 < SMP> hmm, ok, then somehow site-tmac got lost in my build
01:53 < tsa_> seems to depend on the type of shell used to invoke man
01:53 < tsa_> a login shell (chroot . bin/bash --login) doesn't have this kind of problem
01:55 < SMP> maybe /etc/profile and ~/.profile should be sourced from ~/.bashrc
01:55 < SMP> I've been pondering this
01:55 < tsa_> indeed.
01:56 < mnemoc_> how other distros handle that?
01:57 * SMP doesn't use others ;)
01:58 < SMP> but I remember SuSE did just that some years ago
01:58 < tsa_> i have access to a RH 8.0 system
01:59 < tsa_>  ~/.bash_profile sources ~/.bashrc
01:59 < tsa_> ~/.bashrc sources /etc/bashrc, if present
02:00 < tsa_> doesn't sound like a perfect solution to me..
02:00 < SMP> sounds absolutely sane
02:00 < SMP> this way it doesn't mix login shell and non-login shell config
02:01 < tsa_> which one is sourced in which case?
02:01 < tsa_> login-shell sources ~/.bashrc ?
02:01 < tsa_> or ~/.bash_profile ?
02:02 < SMP> no, login shells only source *profile
02:02 < tsa_> ah
02:02 < SMP> non-login shells only *rc
02:02 < tsa_> hm...then it should be ok
02:02 < mnemoc_> so, rh way sources .bashrc in both cases and profile just for login
02:02 < SMP> but of course then /etc/bashrc must still get set the $PAGER like /etc/profile ;)
02:03 < tsa_> ack
02:04 < SMP> I think it's good enough to just source /etc/profile from .bashrc
02:04 < tsa_> ack
02:05 < SMP> /etc/bashrc is just another non-std. config file
02:05 < SMP> tsa_: do they install a ~/.login ?
02:05 < tsa_> no.
02:14 < SMP> hmm. ja_JP.UJIS makes troff segfault ;-O
02:19 < tsa_> hehe
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03:17 < tsa_> n8
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03:44 < Freak> shit.. i fear i destroyed ma working mol/osx
03:45 < Freak> no wait
03:45 < Freak> it was just the empty cdr that it didnt like :) wheee..
04:03 < SMP> if only MOL was MOX ..
04:04 < Freak> whats mox?
04:08 < [n00kie]_> moin
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04:09 < SMP> I wanted to say that I'd like to be able to run Linux On osX
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07:15 < blindcoder> moin
07:17 < n00kie> moin blindcoder
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08:25 < netrunner> moin
08:50 < netrunner> build finished, creating isos for rev579
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09:14 < Auzain> morgen alle
09:14 < Auzain> yes yes yes yes yes...
09:15 < Auzain> ..and yes
09:15 < Auzain> but
09:15 < Auzain> my iso boot, then kernel panic
09:16 < Auzain> jemand da?
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09:34 * Auzain is away: komme später
10:07 < daja77> moin
10:19 < esden> moin
10:21 < daja77> hi esden
10:22 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:22 * blindcoder back from doc
10:22 < daja77> ill?
10:22 < blindcoder> nah, just some problems with my left ear
10:23 < daja77> ic
10:27 < netrunner> hi esden, blindcoder, daja77, et al
10:28 < daja77> hi netrunner
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10:47 < Auzain> mon daja77
10:53 < daja77> salut Auzain
10:57 < Auzain> daja77: I have now finish the build and tried Create-ISO, but the cd only boot
10:57 < Auzain> what have I forgoten?
10:58 < Auzain> I does: ./script/Create-ISO isolinux ordi
10:58 < daja77> the cd name I guess
10:59 < Auzain> ?
11:00 < Auzain> I don't understand the help from Create-ISO...
11:00 < esden> blindcoder: everything all right with your ear?
11:00 < rxr> re
11:01 < rxr> juchu - the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de box is online again ;-)!
11:01 < daja77> Auzain: ok it is scripts/Create-ISO cd_name_prefix bootdisk_target other_target
11:02 < esden> ich bin bloed ... oder ?
11:02 < esden> argl ...
11:02 * -> esden kills DHR
11:03 < Auzain> daja77: also: create-iso Ordi isolinux ordi ?
11:03 < daja77> esden: ???
11:04 < daja77> Auzain: ahem if these are the right names, yes
11:04 < Auzain> ordi is my target
11:04 < Auzain> cd_name_prefix?
11:04 < rxr> Auzain: the target name - or the config name?
11:04 < rxr> what is isolinux ?
11:05 < daja77> I think these are config names
11:05 < Auzain> ok: I build a target with build-target -cfg ordi, now I want an iso
11:05 < daja77> < Auzain> daja77: also: create-iso Ordi isolinux ordi ? <-- make it so
11:06 < Auzain> cd_name_prefix can be everything?
11:06 < daja77> yes
11:06 < rxr> Auzain: yes
11:07 < Auzain> but must be?
11:07 < daja77> what you like
11:07 < daja77> could be esden even ...
11:07 * daja77 hides
11:09 < netrunner> Auzain likes esden??
11:09 < Auzain> rxr: why do you ask me what is isolinux? I do only know that if I don't add it the iso is not bootable
11:10 < daja77> Auzain: ahem do you have your isos now?
11:10 < Auzain> i'm not at home :-(
11:10 < Auzain> will be there in 1 hour...
11:10 < daja77> ssh you home ;-)
11:11 < blindcoder> esden: sure, so far, so good
11:11 < Auzain> don't have the ip
11:11 < netrunner> Auzain: have you built a bootdisk target seperately?
11:11 < netrunner> Auzain: dyndns.org is your friend.
11:12 < Auzain> netrunner: what do you mean whit seperatly? what I build is a bootdisk
11:12 < Auzain> do you mean I had better to build a minimal?
11:14 < Auzain> don't understand the difference...
11:14 < Auzain> or I must build beide?
11:15 < daja77> Auzain: you made everything alright, you just had too few parameters for Create-ISO ;-)
11:15 < rxr> Auzain: so the isolinux is the config-name of the bootdisk target ?
11:17 < netrunner> do it yourself cruise missle: https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,254088,00.html (german)
11:18 < Auzain> rxr: I don't know, there is not enought help about Create-ISO for me, or my head is too smale to understand
11:19 < daja77> Auzain: rxr: as it seems to me isolinux is the config name for bootdisk, I think the issue is solved anyway
11:19 < rxr> Auzain: this is not Create-ISO related - it is just a question how you build the targets before ...
11:20 < Auzain> I create only 1 target named ordi on a base of bootdisk
11:20 < daja77> huh ??!
11:21 < Auzain> just removed linux25 and grub
11:22 < Auzain> what huh? in ./script/Config replace 'generic' with 'bootdisk'
11:22 < daja77> Auzain: bootdisk target ist nur für das booten von cd zuständig, wenn Du auch noch was installieren willst, musst du noch ein anderes target bauen
11:22 < Auzain> haha, jetzt kommt's
11:23 < Auzain> warum sind dann alle diese packages drin?
11:23 < daja77> na der installer ist auch mit drauf
11:24 < daja77> und ausserdem damit du es auch als rettungssystem einsetzen kannst
11:24 < Auzain> und warum hab ich dann ein kernel panic
11:25 < daja77> init not found?
11:25 < Auzain> yo
11:26 < daja77> das ist irgendwas beim build kaputtgegangen, am besten scripts/Build-Target noch mal aufrufen
11:26 < daja77> also ohne vorher zu löschen
11:26 < Auzain> ich sah aber keine logs err
11:26 < daja77> ja mach trotzdem mal
11:27 < Auzain> ok bis balb...
11:27 < daja77> cu Auzain
11:27 * Auzain is away: essen
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11:37 * daja77 off now
11:38 < daja77> cu later
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12:27 < cchamilt> Heloo?
12:28 < cchamilt> rxr: ping?
12:31 < cchamilt> anyone know how kernel hooks are supposed to work?
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12:40 < my-dsmbr> what the heck is rocklinux?
12:45 < cchamilt> it is a communal shoe.
12:45 < cchamilt> wanna try it?
12:45 < cchamilt> I am almost done wearing it.
12:46 < daja77> *lol*
12:47 < cchamilt> Does anybody know which pkg's I have to append to do a kernel patch?
12:47 < cchamilt> I have done linux24-src and linux24-header, but if I do linux24, it clashes with linux24-src
12:49 < daja77> why that
12:49 < cchamilt> Adding evms to my targets.
12:50 < cchamilt> I get shared file strangeness if I add lx_config hooks to both linux24 and linux24-src
12:50 * daja77 patched linux24 + linux24-src with rtai, no problems
12:50 < cchamilt> Hm.
12:51 < cchamilt> Wanna see my hook?
12:51 < cchamilt> intouch() {
12:51 < cchamilt>         #Patch Linux for EVMS specific to version
12:51 < cchamilt>         cd ..
12:52 < cchamilt>         tar $taropt $base/download/techworx/evms/2.4.21-dm.tar.bz2
12:52 < cchamilt>         mkdir -p evms
12:52 < cchamilt>         cp -f $base/download/techworx/evms/*.patch evms
12:52 < cchamilt>         cd linux-*
12:52 < cchamilt>         cat ../2.4.21-dm/*.patch | patch -p1
12:52 < cchamilt>         cat $base/download/techworx/evms/*.patch | patch -p1
12:52 < cchamilt> }
12:52 < daja77> why not use var_append patchfiles
12:53 < cchamilt> I hook it into prepatch cause I have to unpack them.
12:53 < daja77> I have to go to university now, sorry
12:53 < cchamilt> OK.
12:54 < daja77> :)
12:55 < cchamilt> I will sit and wait for the coming of rxr I guess.
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12:57 < cchamilt> Eh, I know... I work around.
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13:00 < Auzain_> bin ich hier richtig?
13:01 < Auzain_> rxr daja77 ?
13:02 < Auzain_> fur's protocol: it works, don't know why, but it works :-) (the cd?)
13:03 < Auzain_> if I understand, now I must build an other target to install
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13:14 < rxr> 2re
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13:27 < rxr> does anyone remeber the old cvs repository URL ?
13:28 < blindcoder> rxr: esden might be able to look it up on his ircstats-logfile
13:29 < jsaw> :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs
13:29 < jsaw> hi all, btw
13:29 < rxr> hi jsaw
13:30 < jsaw> hi rxr, what are we up to this week?
13:30 < rxr> just found it in the scripts/Internel ...
13:30 < rxr> jsaw: what to do ?
13:31 < jsaw> rxr: yeh, rockplug -I guess- should be polished...
13:31 < rxr> jsaw: yes - maybe I have the possibility to do firewire today ....
13:33 < jsaw> what are we going to do about networking? I mean, the net stuff should be organized, so that net.plug may plug more than one device!?
13:33 < rxr> maybe I should just package it as 0.0.2 (I need the macio thing in a release) - and then I'll to firewire and isapnp this week
13:34 < rxr> jsaw: yes - we need to rethink the rock network for better configuration and plug integration
13:34 < jsaw> okay. I have to correct a few minor things, too. Tag 0.0.2 tomorrow morning?
13:34 < rxr> jsaw: btw: we'll just add a init scirpt for non-plugable, and not really good detectable things like macio, isapnp and SUN sbus ?
13:34 < rxr> jsaw: ok
13:36 < rxr> hm - this should work, shouldn't it:
13:36 < rxr> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co rock-src-1.7
13:36 < rxr> or the cvs is now complete removed?
13:36 < rxr> has anyone an old cvs lying arround ?
13:36 < jsaw> actually I think it is simpler to keep all of them in separate files. Maybe we can change the suffix so we see from the file name, that this is non-pluggable stuff?
13:38 < rxr> yes in seperate files like macio.init isapnp.init and sbus.init (althought I do yet know where to get sbus device info from ...)
13:39 < jsaw> rxr: cvs, wait, packing...
13:39 < jsaw> look into sensors_detect
13:40 < rxr> jsaw: I only need one file from cvs - so if you build a tarball - you could simply search for one file ....
13:40 < jsaw> jsaw: which one?
13:41 < rxr> in packages/base/perl - there should be some local-perl-sth.sh
13:42 < rxr> it got lost before the svn transition ... :-(
13:42 < blindcoder> rxr: the perllocal hack?
13:42 < rxr> jups
13:43 < rxr> perllocal_hack.sh
13:43 < blindcoder> hehe, noticed that during my current build :)
13:43 < rxr> blindcoder: /me too ... :-(
13:43 < rxr> damn that this does not a abort of the package  ...
13:44 < rxr> jsaw: have you this file accidently ? Or does cvs still work on your site ?
13:45 < jsaw> rxr: still searching, but it's not amoung my last CVS files ;-(
13:46 < rxr> jsaw: could you do a update of the perl dir (wihtout the -P switch) to see if it comes still out of cvs =
13:53 < jsaw> cvs up: cannot open directory /home/cvs/rock-src-1.7/package/base: No such file or directory
13:56 < rxr> well - ok thanks.
13:57 < jsaw> sorry, I can find it...
13:58 < jsaw> s/can/can't/
14:02 < rxr> jsaw: I want to introduce a issue/bug tracker - do you have a recommendation? Ie bugzilla - or why not bugzilla ;-) ?
14:03 < esden> hi all
14:05 < rxr> hi esden
14:06 < rxr> dou you accidently have the perllocal_hack.sh file in one of you ROCK source trees?
14:06 < rxr> it did not made it into svn a long time ago - and now I miss it ...
14:06 < esden> rxr: I check ... one moment
14:06 < rxr> esden: thanks!
14:07 < esden> find running
14:07 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7# find . -name 'perllocal_hack.sh'
14:07 < esden> ./rock-src-1.7/package/base/perl5/perllocal_hack.sh
14:07 < esden> schould I send it to you?
14:07 < rxr> esden: yes - pleas! ;-)
14:07 * rxr 
14:07 * rxr *freu*
14:08 < blindcoder> re esden
14:11 < esden> huhu blindcoder !
14:11 < esden> rxr: ping ...
14:11 < esden> rxr: query ... please answer ...
14:12 < rxr> pong
14:13 < esden> at least once is it good that I do not delete my trees imediatly ;-)
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14:15 * blindcoder ranting in the "Ingolstadt-Forum" again >_<
14:20 < rxr> esden: I have them lying around too - but from time to time I wipe some out ...
14:20 < rxr> I even have a deflated dRock-1.6.1-rc tree still here
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14:25 < rolla> re
14:28 < blindcoder> hmm... my trees got wiped in the latest had disk crash
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14:36 < jsaw> rxr: concerning bug tracking, I had a look at some of em recently, but I have to check my notes at home.
14:36 * jsaw is away: coffee break
14:37 < rolla> rxr are we still on beta6 ?
14:40 < rxr> rolla: yes
14:40 < rxr> jsaw: that would be nice - could you send me a note via email - with some but-tracker comments ß
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14:41 < blindcoder> butt-tracker :D
14:46 * Auzain is back (gone 03:19:02)
14:51 < rolla> rxr: my build had a kernel error when loading stage2 off the cd
14:51 < rolla> very odd
14:52 < rxr> rolla: what kind of "kernel error?
14:52 < rxr> "
14:53 < rolla> will have to wait till I get home for excat arror
14:53 * blindcoder going home
14:53 < rolla> but it was about the ide-driver of some kind
14:53 < rolla> I will mail to list once I get home
14:55 * jsaw is back (gone 00:18:46)
14:58 < jsaw> is anybody working on openoffice?
14:59 < rxr> I guess not ...
14:59 < jsaw> where may I put the java sdk, /usr/lib/java?
15:00 < rxr> jsaw: please check the license - I think we are not allowed to resitribute it ... !
15:01 < jsaw> yes we are, in case "it is as is" and bundled with software that needs it (or sth. like that). I'll post the licence to the ML for review as IANAL...
15:02 < rxr> cchamilt wrote me that he spoke with Sun and we are not allowed ...
15:03 < SMP> the blackdown one is redistributable
15:03 < SMP> please have a look at how Gentoo handles Java (they have documentation on the website)
15:03 < jsaw> k.
15:04 < rxr> SMP: but gentoo does download on each box
15:08 < SMP> ok, even the blackdown one seems not to be redistributable, even though they have 3rd party mirrors
15:08 < jsaw>       You may not redistribute the Java 2 SDK with the applications
15:08 < jsaw>       you develop. Instead, you may redistribute the Java 2 Runtime
15:08 < jsaw>       Environment with your applications.
15:08 < SMP> rxr: that doesn't change the fact that they have a clued system to handle multiple jdk/jre instances
15:09 < jsaw> I understand: I can compile ooffice with the sdk, but have to remove it afterwards...
15:10 < jsaw> ah, more explicit:
15:10 < jsaw>       You can freely redistribute the Java 2 Runtime Environment
15:10 < jsaw>       with your application, according to the terms of the Runtime
15:10 < jsaw>       Environment's license. Once you have developed your application using
15:10 < jsaw>       the Java 2 SDK, you can ship it with the Runtime Environment so
15:10 < jsaw>       your end-users will have a Java platform on which to run your
15:10 < jsaw>       software.
15:10 < Auzain> hips %-/
15:11 < jsaw> ?
15:14 < SMP> rxr: I guess we really need the flags for packages that cannot be redistributed or mirrored
15:15 < rxr> yes - but we 'll do this in 2.1 - for now we do not add those packages ...
15:16 < SMP> you misunderstood Clifford's reply ;)
15:16 < jsaw> anyway, j2sdk is only needed for compilation, we don't have to redistribute it. And j2re is optional for ooffice.
15:17 < rxr> jsaw: yes - but you can not usefully add the j2dk to the openoffice pacakge - it would show up on the ROCK Linux source mirrors ...
15:17 < rxr> anyway me away
15:18 < jsaw> hmmm.... k.
15:18 < jsaw> cu
15:18 < jsaw> last q: would it be a problem do download it from the .conf file?
15:19 < SMP> yes. you'd get killed
15:19 < rxr> ack
15:20 < jsaw> a licence workaround will kill me... well.
15:20 < jsaw> so I skip ooffice.
15:22 * Auzain ask himself who office he will install...
15:23 < Auzain> ooffice monster
15:24 < Auzain> koffice don't read .doc and .xls
15:24 < Auzain> abiword + gnumeric ?
15:25 < jsaw> all of em do more or less... but so far, ooffice has the best support IMHO
15:25 < Auzain> IMHO?
15:26 < jsaw> (just from experience, I don't know what others say and never read about it, therefore IMHO)
15:29 < Auzain>  In My Humble Opinion
15:30 * Auzain add the new word in his dictionnary
15:32 < jsaw> what does "auzain" mean?
15:33 < Mike1> moin all.
15:33 < Auzain> moinmoin Mike1
15:33 < Auzain> jsaw: nothing
15:34 < Auzain> it's the begin of my village
15:35 < Mike1> ping cchamilt
15:38 < rolla> Mike1:
15:38 < Mike1> rolla:
15:39 < Auzain> jsaw: was too tire ti find a nick and Eric exist...
15:40 < jsaw> hehe. look at mine.
15:40 -!- Auzain is now known as erei
15:41 < erei> not very nice
15:41 -!- erei is now known as erein
15:41 < erein> better
15:42 -!- erein is now known as herrein
15:42 < herrein> :-(
15:43 < jsaw> herrein: on steroids? changing nicks with light speed?
15:43 * herrein kommt heraus
15:44 * herrein don't find a nice nick :-(
15:45 -!- herrein is now known as Auzain
15:45 -!- Auzain is now known as DeElsasser
15:46 < DeElsasser> why not?
15:46 < jsaw> much better.
15:46 < DeElsasser> heh
15:46 < Mike1> mm..
15:46 < DeElsasser> :-))
15:48 < jsaw> Mike1: mm?
15:48 < Mike1> just starting to get anoyed by the nick switches thats all..
15:51 < DeElsasser> Don't matter, Mike the 1st, I will try to keep this.
15:52 < Mike1> DeElsasser: thank you. nice nick btw
15:52 < Mike1> ;-)
15:53 < jsaw> l'Alsace... I'd love to have some wine and cheese now...
15:54 * Mike1 grabs a bottle of wine
15:54 < Mike1> here guys
15:54 < DeElsasser> hips %-/
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16:14 < rxr> hi Mike1
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16:14 < rxr> do you have some gnome and base patches ready ?
16:14 < rxr> feel free to send any raw patches over - I'll test / polish them ...
16:15 < Mike1> rxr: good
16:16 < Mike1> rxr: i send some in a while need to finish for cchamilt first
16:17 < DeElsasser> gut'nacht
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17:42 < DeElsasser> re
17:43 < DeElsasser> Applying '/home/rock-trunk/package/base/linux24/99-uu64-i386.patch' ...
17:43 < DeElsasser> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assume -R? [n]
17:43 < DeElsasser> Apply anyway? [n]
17:43 < DeElsasser> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file include/asm-i386/types.h.rej
17:43 < DeElsasser> --- BUILD ERROR ---
17:43 < DeElsasser> what's now wrong?
17:45 < Mike1> error applying patch...
17:49 < jsaw> cu tonight, bye
17:49 < DeElsasser> salut jsaw
17:51 < jsaw> salut DeElsasser
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17:51 < DeElsasser> it's definitively not easy to do a rocklinux target...
17:52 < Mike1> DeElsasser: what target are you doing?
17:52 < DeElsasser> minimal
17:52 < Mike1> building it?
17:52 < DeElsasser> yes
17:53 < Mike1> DeElsasser: if you are having problems with it you can ask the target maintainer you know..
17:53 < Mike1> aka me.
17:53 < DeElsasser> aka me?
17:53 < Mike1> minimal target maintainer = Mike1
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17:54 < Mike1> tell about ur problem
17:56 < DeElsasser> I did: ./script/Config -cfg ordi0 , change to minimal, ./script/Build-Target -cfg ordi0
17:56 < Mike1> yes .. and?
17:56 < DeElsasser> build 1 or 2 packages then when try building linux24-header, this error
17:57 < Mike1> ok this a problem related to a new patch included
17:57 < Mike1> paste me the .err file on a query please
17:57 < DeElsasser> :-)
17:58 < DeElsasser> that's a good idea, how does this work?
17:58 < Mike1>  /query Mike1
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17:58 < Mike1> and paste ur .err file for linux24-header
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17:59 < Mike1> wtf..
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17:59 < Mike1> urrgss
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18:06 < blindcoder> what about a tail-50 *.err ?
18:06 < blindcoder> what about a tail -50 *.err ?
18:07 < Mike1> blindcoder: not that big, and i got it already so :)
18:07 < Mike1> btw hi blindcoder
18:07 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
18:08 < blindcoder> hi rest
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19:59 < tcr> moin all
20:00 < rolla> re]
20:01 < tcr> rxr: Did you find time to look at the bug I had reported?
20:10 < tcr> hi rolla btw
20:14 < rolla> :)
20:16 < Mike1> hi rolla und tcr
20:16 < Mike1> re all.
20:16 < tcr> moin Mike1
20:17 < Mike1> tcr: what bug are you talking about?
20:18 < tcr> that one I reported yesterday
20:18 < Mike1> tcr: i have not been reading all the ml emails
20:18 < Mike1> anyways guess rxr will come back in a while
20:19 < tcr> Mike1: Don't think you can help anyway. It's a sort of bug for cliff or rxr
20:20 < Mike1> tcr: don't underestimate my skills my friend, anyways with that attitude i rather keep myself busy on something else.
20:20 < Mike1> cu later
20:20 < tcr> don't intend to underrate you here
20:21 < tcr> Mike1: Just don't think you're that into the build scripts
20:42 < rolla> yawn
20:42 < tcr> late over there, rolla?
20:53 < Mike1> ping rxr
20:55 < rolla> ping Mike1
20:55 < Mike1> pong rolla
20:55 < rolla> ping
20:55 * rolla is bored
20:55 < Mike1> i can notice your lazyness.
20:55 < Mike1> :)
20:55 < tcr> rolla: Do you have an ftpd?
20:55 < rolla> ja
20:56 < rolla> warum
20:56 < tcr> would you want me to upload my current favorite song?
20:56 < rolla> that is okay :)
20:56 < rolla> it seems that I must go work on backups right now
20:57 < tcr> give the data I need to upload first
20:57 < tcr> data=information
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21:21 < Mike1> hi Aitor
21:21 < A-Tui> hola miguel
21:21 < A-Tui> how are you?
21:22 < Mike1> A-Tui: i'm good thank you. and yourself?
21:22 < A-Tui> i'm now fine thanks
21:22 < Mike1> "now" .. ?
21:22 < A-Tui> i'm some extresed :/
21:23 < Mike1> i see.. Uni?
21:23 < A-Tui> Uni, work, personal stuffs
21:23 < A-Tui> last month was very hard
21:23 < Mike1> damn i'm sorry to hear that, i was going to ask about something bu i better not bug you with more stress
21:23 < A-Tui> but i think now i'm free again
21:24 < Mike1> i can tell it was hard, we didn't see you too much around here
21:24 < A-Tui> Mike1: next week end i have 2 days when i don't work
21:24 < Mike1> i see
21:25 < A-Tui> and soon summer holidays
21:25 < A-Tui> Mike1: ask me, don't care about this
21:25 < Mike1> it was mostly about i18n
21:25 < Mike1> but as i said before i will not disturb you yet
21:25 < A-Tui> no no :)
21:26 < A-Tui> you donñ t disturb me
21:26 < A-Tui> don't
21:26 < A-Tui> i will have time after next weekend
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21:28 < A-Tui> hi n00kie
21:30 < n00kie> Hola A-Tui :)
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21:48 < Mike1> hi netrunner :)
21:55 < netrunner> f**k, now the install fails. korrupted packages.db. any cure for that?
21:56 < netrunner> (I rebooted and tried to install rocklinux now :)
21:56 * Mike1 gives a gun to netrunner
21:56 < Mike1> :P
21:57 * netrunner slowly points the gun at the bill-poster in his wardrobe .... and SHOTS
21:57 < netrunner> aah ... much better now :)
21:57 < netrunner> so is there something that rebuilds the packages.db?
21:57 < Mike1> well you need to run a build..
22:02 < netrunner> I ran one. that took me 2 days. shall I cleanup -full, and rebuild?
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22:11 < Mike1> not necesarily
22:11 < Mike1> try re-running the build as is, so the paackage.db is re-built
22:11 < Mike1> hi mnemoc
22:11 < mnemoc> hi mike
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22:15 < mnemoc> Mike1: did you finish the minimal?
22:15 < Mike1> mnemoc: i had to abort, but this time there is one build of it with some nice fixes i did to it, and i promisse this one will go public
22:16 < mnemoc> i hope to :D ... i don't want to install rh again :(
22:16 < Mike1> mnemoc: you won't have too
22:16 < Mike1> mnemoc: i'm taking this build to the end :)
22:16 < mnemoc> cheers for that
22:17 < Mike1> mnemoc: que se muera Bill Gates si no es cierto :)
22:17 < mnemoc> mmmmm
22:17 < Mike1> jk
22:17 < mnemoc> a paradox
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22:19 < Mike1> Hola Sebastian
22:19 < tsa> hi all.
22:19 < tsa> hi Mike1
22:29 < tcr> mnemoc: Got the chance to access the at case?
22:30 < mnemoc> tomorrow :(
22:30 < tsa> daja77: are you alive?
22:33 < tcr> ok mnemoc
22:35 < cchamilt> Mike1: How are things?
22:38 < rolla> re cchamilt
22:39 < tcr> hey cchamilt.
22:39 < tcr> re rolla: what's now with the song`?
22:39 < rolla> ?
22:40 < cchamilt> hi all
22:41 < tcr> rolla: I wanted to upload a song to your ftpd...
22:42 < cchamilt> Hm. Mouse died.
22:42 < tcr> real mouse or computer mouse?
22:43 < cchamilt> trackpoint
22:43 < cchamilt> it does this every now and then.
22:43 < cchamilt> going to reboot to fix it.
22:44 < cchamilt> bye
22:44 < tcr> cu
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22:50 < rolla> what package is identd in?
22:52 < tsa> base/pidentd or sirkull/slidentd
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22:56 < cchamilt> re
22:56 < Mike1> wb cchamilt
22:57 < mnemoc> did u rcp your mouse?
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23:00 < daja77> re
23:01 * Mike1 away eating 5 cows.
23:02 < daja77> fat Mikey ;-)
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23:05 < daja77> tsa: ??
23:09 < tsa> ah
23:09 < tsa> hi daja77
23:09 < daja77> hi tsa
23:09 < n00kie> cannibal mikey ;)
23:09 < tsa> i just saw rene still did not apply your patch adding ypbind
23:09 < n00kie> poor cows die
23:09 < tsa> will you add a ypserv package, too?
23:09 < daja77> tsa: *nod*
23:09 < daja77> tsa: yes
23:10 < tsa> (just nis clients are kinda useless ;-)
23:10 < daja77> ack but I need the package for the clients first
23:10 < daja77> server running suse :-(
23:10 < tsa> hehe
23:11 < daja77> btw I had a linker error with that package on my rock box, said errno not found, any idea?
23:14 < daja77> damn my rock system I want to present tomorrow is still building >_<
23:14 < cchamilt> Ack beep was low.
23:14 < mnemoc> daja77: you must request better hardware :D
23:15 < daja77> request by who, this is my private machine (AthlonXP 1800+, 1GB RAM ...)
23:15 < mnemoc> :(
23:16 < daja77> ?
23:17 < mnemoc> what happened to rtai project?
23:17 < mnemoc> that's what u r building?
23:18 < daja77> I have one machine installed with rtai rock
23:18 < daja77> I currently build a generic target, to give some isos away tomorrow in Magdeburg
23:19 < daja77> I hope I can do a rtai rock based 2.4.21 on wednesday
23:23 < daja77> kasc: you here?
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23:23 < tsa> re
23:31 < daja77> wb tsa
23:31 < mnemoc> Mike1: does your patch includes vserver stuff??!! *g*
23:33 < Mike1> no menoc patches atm :)
23:33 < Mike1> mnemoc*
23:33 < Mike1> re.
23:33 < daja77> hi Mike1
23:33 < Mike1> hi daja77
23:33 < n00kie> wb Mike1  :)
23:33 < Mike1> n00kie: cannibal!?!?
23:33 < n00kie> Mike1 eating cows
23:33 < Mike1> n00kie: maybe i should eat you
23:33 < n00kie> poor cows
23:33 < Mike1> :P
23:34 < n00kie> no
23:34 < n00kie> eat daja
23:34 < n00kie> hehe :)
23:34 * daja77 kicks n00kie 
23:34 -!- n00kie is now known as admin_
23:34 * admin_ kicks daja
23:34 < daja77> muhahahaha
23:34 -!- admin_ is now known as n00kie
23:35 < n00kie> Mike1: Do you know BSE?
23:38 < daja77> I only know n00kie ...
23:40 < daja77> Mike1: how is gnome doin now?
23:43 < Mike1> daja77: good, i'm going to send a few updates to rxr ina  moment, those include gnome* stuff
23:43 < Mike1> they are only about 70 in total but i guess thats enough
23:45 < n00kie> hmm
23:45 < n00kie> damn server
23:45 < Mike1> n00kie: ?
23:45 < n00kie> my one
23:45 < daja77> O_o got mail from my grandma, saying she likes mailing now
23:46 < n00kie> got a bit high load
23:47 < Mike1> daja77: good
23:47 < Mike1> n00kie: how big?
23:47 < n00kie> 58
23:50 < n00kie> 196mb swap were a bit too small, when copying a 2gb file
23:50 < daja77> why?
23:51 < n00kie> cause the machine has only 40mb ram
23:51 < Mike1> hehehe
23:51 < daja77> *lol*
23:51 < n00kie> new server gets 1gb swap
23:51 < Mike1> daja77: should we flood with pings n00kie server?
23:51 < n00kie> lol
23:52 < n00kie> hmm
23:52 < daja77> Mike1: hmm sounds nice ...
23:52 < Mike1> ping -f n00kie ...
23:52 < Mike1> :)
23:52 < n00kie> i've to reboot my machine
23:53 < n00kie> the server...
23:53 < Mike1> n00kie: coward!
23:53 < Mike1> :P
23:53 * daja77 points and laughs at n00kie 
23:53 < n00kie> poor nookie
23:53 < Mike1> n00kie: just let the thing fisnish copy then it will go back to normal
23:53 < n00kie> well
23:53 < Mike1> n00kie: i've had bigger load averages
23:54 < n00kie> same thing happened a few weeks ago
23:54 < daja77> Mike1: poser!
23:54 < n00kie> it coppied 1 or 2 days
23:54 < n00kie> and it doesn't end
23:54 < Mike1> n00kie: hehehe poor n00kie
23:54 < Mike1> daja77: would you be so kind to pet n00kie?
23:54 < n00kie> argh ;)
23:55 < daja77> Mike1: for $5
23:55 < Mike1> daja77: i give you a pic of mm... ring-0, thats my last offer
23:56 < daja77> *lol*
23:56 * daja77 kicks n00kie 
23:57 < daja77> this I am doin for free ...
23:57 < Mike1> n00kie: ok reboot
23:57 < n00kie> hmm
23:57 < n00kie> if someone gets destroyed
23:57 < n00kie> you pay ;)
23:57 * n00kie just pressed the "reset" button
23:57 < Mike1> n00kie: daja77 is a nature killer, he kills for fun
23:57 < daja77> Mike1: natural born killer *ggg*
23:58 * daja77 has most of the soundtrack ...
23:59 < n00kie> need to cool the server hdd
23:59 < daja77> put some cold water on it
23:59 < Mike1> n00kie: give it some water, that will cool it off
23:59 * daja77 hides
23:59 < daja77> Mike1: hey gimme five
--- Log closed Tue Jun 24 00:00:00 2003