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--- Log opened Sat Jul 05 00:00:55 2003
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00:24 < mistik1> hello
00:24 < Mike1> hi mistik1
00:24 < mistik1> I tracked blindcoder down to here ;)
00:24 < mistik1> I was just on his website''
00:26 < mistik1> what is the focus of Rock Linux and why should i run it?
00:27 < esden> hmm .. that is a difficult question
00:27 < esden> rocklinux is a distribution build kit ... 
00:27 < esden> that means that rocklinux is not really one distribution
00:27 < esden> but many in one
00:28 < mistik1> like a LFS+gentoo mixture type thing
00:28 < Mike1> yuk no.
00:28 < esden> no it is not
00:28 < mistik1> ok
00:29 < esden> these are source distributions that is something totally different from a distribution build kit
00:29 < mistik1> ahh, I see
00:29 < esden> with rocklinux you build from sources binary distributions that you can install lateron
00:30 < mistik1> I must check this out
00:30 < esden> but you can install packets as binary .gem packages
00:30 < mistik1> I hope I can get it done in UML so i dont have to build another box yet
00:30 < esden> or install using the rocklinux tree from source directy in the system that is possible ... but that is only a side effect
00:30 < esden> not really main intention
00:31 < mistik1> what are .gem ?
00:31 < esden> I have installed rock once in UML
00:31 < mistik1> I know they are packages, i'm talking format
00:31 < esden> but have not tryed it with 2.0-preX yet
00:31 < mistik1> that's great
00:32 < mistik1> I'm a long time linux user so i'm sure if its been done I can get it done also ;)
00:32 < esden> it is our own format ... it is very simple ... but it is different from .rpm or .dpkg
00:33 < esden> mistik1: I do not know I have to tweak some stuff to get the installation system running in uml
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00:33 < jsaw> re
00:33 < esden> but creating a uml target for rock is on todo list
00:33 < mistik1> prolly anything to do with drive or PCI probing
00:34 < esden> we have hwscan and hotplug in current desktop and generic target
00:34 < esden> targets are the kinds of distributions that can be built
00:35 < mistik1> I gather that
00:35 < esden> but it is beeing replaced with rockplug that is integreting hwscan and hotplug in one thing and adding some more stuff
00:35 < esden> I am not in that project so I can not tell much about that
00:36 < jsaw> what should I say about rockplug?
00:36 < mistik1> I must say this sounds very interesting
00:36 < esden> but the decision to create was that that hwscan and hotplug produced some collisions and problems if I understood correctly
00:36 < esden> jsaw: can you tell more here?
00:36 < mistik1> esden: what is the smallest usable system you've installed with rock
00:37 < jsaw> the main problem of hotplug is, that it is designed for red hat. well, not exactly
00:37 < jsaw> but u can find traces of that.
00:37 < esden> a 486 100mhz with 16 mb of ram and a 2 gb disk
00:37 < esden> it is my router ;-)
00:37 < mistik1> I mean footprint of the install, not the hardware
00:38 < jsaw> now, hotplug does what hwscan does on startup...
00:38 < mistik1> I'm looking for a distro to base some work i'm doing on
00:38 < esden> jsaw: but then why the replacement?
00:38 < mistik1> I need something I can reduce to about 16mb total
00:38 < esden> mistik1: phh ... I always install all I have ... to test stuff ;-)
00:39 < mistik1> as that is the size of the flashdisk i'm going to employ
00:39 < snyke> hi esdi
00:39 < esden> mistik1: you can take the dietlibc target that is not yet fully funcitonal but may be a good base to create a very small system ... or the minimal target
00:40 < mistik1> hmmm
00:40 < jsaw> We do not want to adapt the init scripts and other things to satisfy hotplug. Instead we modified hotplug to meet our distros requirements.
00:41 < mistik1> esden: interesting indeed, I'm now building from scratch with uClibc linked apps
00:41 < jsaw> Also, we implemented other goodies. E.g. no dependency on pciutils or usbutils.
00:41 < esden> if you decide to take dietlibc target it will take a lot of work and sweat and brainwork to get it done ... but when it is ready it will be sweet for sure
00:41 < esden> jsaw: sounds really cool
00:42 < esden> jsaw: and how far is the development? is it usable now?
00:42 < esden> mistik1: I have a started uclibc target on my disk ... but it needs work too
00:43 < jsaw> esden: please test it. I'm waiting for bug reports. Here, on my computer, it works better than hwscan, and every other hw detection I've used so far. (But as I said, that's only my computer...)
00:43 < mistik1> esden: thank you for allowing me to play the newb for a day. you've giving me enough info to intice me to give RL a try
00:43 < esden> jsaw: as soon as I get usb box for my old laptop disk so I can make backups easy I will test it for sure
00:43 < mistik1> And I think I will send some support the way of blindcoder
00:45 < esden> mistik1: you are wellcome ... I would appreciate help in uclibc and dietlibc target ... because I am working nearly alone on them and I really would appreciate help ... 
00:46 < rxr> esden: rockplug is useable
00:46 < rxr> usb and pci should be detected just fine
00:46 < Aard> esden: ad dietlibc -- what about coming? I've been too busy during the last weeks to get much done, hope I'll have more time this summer
00:46 < mistik1> I'll be glad to lend a hand where I can, once I figure out RL myself
00:46 < rxr> and macio - isapnp and firewire will be done soon ...
00:46 < rxr> cu
00:47 < esden> rxr: when will it get standard in rock?
00:47 < esden> mistik1: nice to hear that
00:47 < esden> mistik1: if you have questions I am often here ;-)
00:48 < esden> Aard: I have currently exams ... but I hope that I will have more time when they are over ... *sigh*
00:49 < esden> and I have a gf now so that means that my time got even more rare ;-)
00:50 < Aard> esden: tell the gf to do something for you (cleaning, ...), and you'll have more time than befor
00:50 * Aard is still trying to get his girlfriend do that :)
00:50 < esden> hehe ... I will propose that to her ;-) ... but I think she will kill me for that 
00:50 < jsaw> esden: rockplug may get standard for the 2.0.0 final. but hwscan will not be dropped unless we can simplify it again.
00:51 < Aard> esden: than give here some sources to modify....
00:51 < esden> jsaw: I am looking forward to that ;-)
00:51 * mistik1 goes to do some reading
00:51 < esden> Aard: hehe ;-) you do not really want thot I think
00:51 < esden> ;-)
00:51 < jsaw> esden: me 2
00:52 < esden> mistik1: I have something for you
00:52 < Aard> esden: if I don't have to use the results... :)
00:52 < esden> ahh the guide from pjotr is linked corretly on our site now ... coool
00:53 < esden> mistik1: https://www.rocklinux.org/guide.html
00:53 < esden> mistik1: I think that is a good start for rock
00:53 < esden> Aard: hehe ;-)
00:55 < Aard> btw, isc's dhcpd linkes with some changes against dietlibc (main problem: higjly defective autoconf), inn works with some small fixes.
00:55 < esden> Aard: nice to know
00:55 < Aard> ...and that's the only thing I got done this week :(
00:56 < esden> Aard: I have done anything this week ... :-(
00:56 < esden> I only programmed some homework stuff for computer science 4 lecture
00:56 < esden> in java *puke*
00:57 < Aard> hehe..java is something you won't find on any of my systems :)
00:57 < esden> Aard: my university is deeply infected with that crap
00:57 < Aard> esden: change the university... :)
00:58 < esden> Aard: HA HA HA HA :-/
00:59 < Aard> esden: if that makes you happy -- I currently get most money for managing lotus domino servers, and writing java-agents for them. but I'll never use java on one of my home systems
01:01 < esden> Aard: my condolences ... 
01:01 < esden> yes I remember you told that already
01:01 < esden> ok ... I go to bed
01:01 < Aard> currently trainging for CLP
01:01 < esden> I have to get up early tomorrow
01:02 < Aard> jep, I'll have to get up before 17:00 -- shop closes at 18:00 ;)
01:02 < esden> ass :P
01:02 < esden> n8
01:02 < Aard> n8
01:07 < mistik1> esden: thanks, that's just where I am now
01:14 < mistik1> yah for FHS
01:16 < jsaw> what's FHS?
01:16 < mistik1> esden: where can I get some info on how far you have reached with the uClibc 'target'
01:16 < mistik1> pathname.org/fhs
01:17 < mistik1> I like the fast that rock is FHS based and not LSB
01:17 < jsaw> and don't forget devfs!
01:19 < mistik1> you use it or dont?
01:19 < mistik1> pfft
01:19 < mistik1> s/fast/fact/
01:19 < jsaw> I'm currently running ROCK.
01:19 < jsaw> I switched from SuSE (don't beat me)
01:20 < mistik1> hah
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01:20 < mistik1> not likely as SuSe is the only distro I truly hate
01:20 < jsaw> rxr (Rene, stable tree maintainer) and I are developing the rockplug stuff
01:21 < mistik1> nice to meet you
01:21 < mistik1> I'm a linux consultant and general tinkerer
01:22 < jsaw> where are u from?
01:22 < mistik1> I'm in NJ US
01:22 < jsaw> I'm a physicist doing my phd.
01:22 < jsaw> NJ? (forgive my ignorance)
01:22 < mistik1> cool
01:22 < mistik1> New Jersey
01:25 < jsaw> mistik1: linux con., on your own or in a company?
01:25 < mistik1> on my own right now
01:26 < mistik1> I owned a computer business untill last may
01:26 < jsaw> why not any more?
01:26 < mistik1> one word
01:26 < mistik1> Partners
01:26 < jsaw> fsck
01:27 < mistik1> weeeeee
01:27 < mistik1> the 2.4.20 lpp patch just patched cleanly over .21
01:27 < mistik1> sorry doing that for another project
01:28 < jsaw> what's lpp?
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01:29 < jsaw> hi Freak
01:29 < mistik1> Linux Progress Patch
01:30 < Freak> hey guys
01:30 < mistik1> hey Freak
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01:30 < mistik1> jsaw: framebuffer bootlogo thing-a-ma-jig
01:34 < jsaw> mistik1: so I probably read your name on lkml?
01:36 < mistik1> nah
01:36 < mistik1> I'm no kernel hacker
01:37 < mistik1> I get invovled in lesser projects, programming is not my strong suite
01:37 < jsaw> ah, u just tried the lpp, I thought your were a developer of it.
01:38 < mistik1> oh no
01:38 < mistik1> I was trying to get it working with the LTSP kernel
01:38 < jsaw> lpp looks nice though. don't u want to adapt it for ROCK Linux? (sooner or later we'll have a live CD)
01:38 < mistik1> there has been no support in it since 2.4.9
01:39 < jsaw> I just read it: The LPP kernel is not included in the 3.0.8 release of the kernel packages, because there isn't an LPP patch for the 2.4.21 Linux kernel yet.
01:39 < mistik1> That has been done afaik
01:39 < mistik1> well one is now ;-)
01:49 < cchamilt> blindcoder has an lpp package
01:50 < cchamilt> i gave it to him, he is sitting on it
01:51 < cchamilt> it works as is if you include it in your target and have a fblogo.patch.bz2 sitting in target
01:51 < jsaw> hi cchamilt
01:51 < cchamilt> hi
01:52 < mistik1> hey cchamilt
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01:52 < cchamilt> it uses package overrides in target for now, but would be safe to include in linux24 package
01:52 < mistik1> I got the patch from blindcoder
01:53 < cchamilt> lpp or the lpp package for rock?
01:53 < mistik1> lpp
01:53 < mistik1> oops
01:53 < cchamilt> yeah, well he did the 2.4.20 cleanups
01:53 < mistik1> I missread you
01:53 < Mike1> cu later
01:54 < mistik1> It works with 2.4.21 :)
01:54 < jsaw> timezone cchamilt?
01:54 < mistik1> https://music.geeksinthehood.net:81/~mistik1/lpp-2421.patch.bz2
01:54 < jsaw> cu l8r Mike1
01:54 < cchamilt> ? SGT? SG/KL/HK
01:55 < jsaw> cchamilt: I'm just wondering that you are here at that time, what's the time there right now?
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01:56 < cchamilt> 7:56am
01:56 < mistik1> while i'm 7:56pm
01:56 < jsaw> !
01:57 < jsaw> I'm usually not awake before 11am.
01:57 < cchamilt> i can only sleep a little right now
01:58 < jsaw> (I sleep between 3 and 6h, still I don't get up before 11am)
01:59 < cchamilt> i am trying to sleep normal
01:59 < jsaw> *grin*
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02:10 < jsaw> cchamilt: science is like that. on one hand, nobody cares when u show up in the lab. otoh, you won't leave until the experiment is finished...
02:11 < jsaw> that's the funny thing about freedom. more freedom, more responsibility (and most often more work)...
02:14 < cchamilt> well i am just finishingup project this weekend
02:14 < cchamilt> hope to be done by tomorrow
02:18 < jsaw> luckily I finished everything I wanted. now I'm desperately waiting for wife and daughter to come back from their visit at her parents house. phew.
02:19 < jsaw> ping Mike1
02:19 < cchamilt> he is busy
02:19 < jsaw> he was writing an answer on the ML, so...
02:24 < jsaw> mistik1: hope to see u here more often
02:24 < jsaw> I gotta sleep
02:24 < jsaw> cu, cchamilt
02:25 < jsaw> cu? mistik1
02:25 < jsaw> gn8 all
02:28 < cchamilt> bye
02:29 < mistik1> l8r jsaw
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07:05 < netrunner> moin
07:09 < netrunner> crap, they still have shut down all the uni computers :(
07:09 < netrunner> so where will I write my exam?
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07:39 < esden> moin netrunner 
07:41 < netrunner> esden: you know where we'll write?
07:42 < esden> no I was hoping you know that ... 
07:42 < netrunner> esden: this is baad (tm)
07:43 < netrunner> I'll leave here at 8 to have enough time to search.
07:43 < netrunner> But my guess is on HS1, because we are not so many.
07:43 < netrunner> btw... was there a registration for the exam??? :/
07:43 < esden> netrunner: can you give me your phone number?
07:43 < esden> yes there was a registration ...
07:44 < netrunner> esden: urgs, when?
07:44 < esden> and you had to do 60% of homework and visit 60% of the trainings to get registred ...
07:44 < esden> but I think that it is only shock making ... like every year
07:44 < netrunner> esden: phiu, ah that one... where are my thoughts today
07:46 * netrunner -> breakfast
07:47 * -> esden -> shower
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08:02 < esden> re
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08:42 < mistik1> re esden
08:42 < mistik1> as I trail off to sleep
08:56 < daja77> moin
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10:10 < blindcoder> moin
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12:08 < netrunner> re
12:10 < esden> re hi all
12:15 < blindcoder> esden: wb
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12:27 < esden> hi blindcoder 
12:28 * blindcoder gives a yawn
12:29 < esden> blindcoder: well done ... when you open your mouth a bit more the top part of your head will fall off ... ;-)
12:30 < blindcoder> might be worth a try
12:30 < esden> lol
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12:31 < jsaw> re
12:35 < esden> re jsaw 
12:38 < blindcoder> esden: had an exam today?
12:40 < netrunner> blindcoder: stop talking about it if you like your head.
12:41 < blindcoder> excuse me for asking
12:41 * blindcoder will shut up now
12:42 < esden> blindcoder: yes I had an exam today ... and netrunner tooo ... so do not care what he is saying ... his brain is fryed ;-)
12:43 < netrunner> esden: so, you think I am impolite?
12:44 * netrunner waits for counterstrike to load, better ignore /me until then ;)
12:45 < esden> netrunner: no ... but blindcoder felt attacked ... I wanted to inform him about your state of brain before he takes it seriously what you say ;-)
12:45 < netrunner> esden: ugh, you really think someone takes me serious? *wonder*
12:46 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... there may be people ... I know you already a bit ... but there are other species that do not know much about you ... and may missunderstand you ... 
12:47 < netrunner> argl, now I am missing the l33t map they play :/
12:47 < netrunner> would be nice to show everybody a custom map, would be funny, no? :)
12:48 < esden> o_O
12:48 * -> esden not playing cs ... 
12:49 < netrunner> esden: imagin an egoshooter where everybody sees a different map and only the player actions are synchronized :)
12:49 < esden> netrunner: loool
12:50 < esden> tehn you run all the time in the walls ...
12:52 * -> esden -> home, food
12:53 < netrunner> esden: others would walk through, but you cannot on your map. but on the other hand you'd see people ducking around corners that don't exist for you :)
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12:55 < tcr> moin all
12:55 < netrunner> moin tcr
13:02 < jsaw> my family just came back from their trip to the grand-parents... so, cu l8r
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15:55 < rxr> re
15:58 < netrunner> rxr: hi gaian. intrested in the logs of a '693?
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16:05 < rxr> netrunner: theoretically yes - but I'm away this weekend and do not have spare time ...
16:06 < daja77> re
16:07 * daja77 ordered kerlsruhe map today
16:07 < daja77> karlsruhe
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16:17 < rxr> hi daja77
16:20 < rxr> ok - cu
16:34 < daja77> cu rxr
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16:56 < daja77> *yawn*
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17:07 < daja77> hi cchamilt
17:10 < cchamilt> hi
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17:14 < uninvit3d> hello every1
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17:31 < mistik1> hey guys
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21:06 < freed> hi @ll
21:07 < Robin_Root> hi
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21:09 < n00kie> daja77: ping :)
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21:56 < daja77> pong
21:58 < daja77> oh damn n00kie die ;-)
21:58 < daja77> +d
22:00 < daja77> nobody here?
22:18 < Mike1> hi.
22:24 < Mike1> daja77: ?
22:24 < Mike1> cchamilt: ?
22:33 < daja77> hi Mike1
22:33 < Mike1> hi daja77 :)
22:33 < Mike1> good you are here
22:33 < daja77> sorry was off for a pizza
22:33 < mnemoc_> re
22:33 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
22:33 < daja77> hi mnemoc
22:33 < Mike1> welcome back mnemoc
22:34 < mnemoc> hi :)
22:34 < daja77> your box back online?
22:35 < mnemoc> 'new' box ;)
22:35 < daja77> hehe
22:35 < daja77> even better
22:35 < Mike1> define new box :)
22:36 < mnemoc> p-mxx200/64 -> pII350/320
22:36 < mnemoc> same HD  :(
22:36 < daja77> ahem old box?
22:36 < mnemoc> ?? ahem
22:37 < mnemoc> what 'ahem' means?
22:37 < daja77> it is a sound
22:37 < daja77> like *cough*
22:37 < Mike1> mnemoc: nice, so you will reduce build in at least one day
22:37 < mnemoc> :D
22:38 < mnemoc> Mike1: sure
22:38 * Mike1 quite pissed off for evolution issue.
22:38 < daja77> Mike1: why
22:38 < Mike1> have you been reading the mails?
22:38 < Mike1> i just send 2 mail to rlml btw
22:38 < daja77> superficial yes
22:39 < daja77> just don't get why you are pissed
22:39 < Mike1> ok daja77 look:
22:39 < Mike1> gnome* repos are intenmded to contain only gnome* *required* packages
22:39 < mnemoc> i understand multiple packages for core packages, but not for the rest
22:40 < Mike1> 2. I will not let us keep yet another package with multiple versions on the tree
22:40 < Mike1> i already hate this with bdb
22:40 < daja77> ack
22:40 * mnemoc hates bdb
22:40 < daja77> it was your friend nikolaus who complained
22:40 < mnemoc> i wanted bdb41 so i had to split it :(
22:40 < Mike1> 3. The package have been at my repos for quite a long time, and a guy can't just come around and take it out of _my_ repos without even asking me
22:41 < mnemoc> dunno how many packages currently NEEDS bdb33 or bdb40
22:41 < mnemoc> 3. <-- that can't happen
22:41 < daja77> bdb40 is needed by subversion afaik
22:42 < Mike1> daja77: Nikolaus and i don't really know very well, but i do agree with him on the fact the multiple package versions should not be allowed unless it is _REALLY_ necesary
22:42 < daja77> ok
22:42 < Mike1> bdb 3 was only need by evolution 1,2 i think
22:42 < daja77> a crap app like evolutions is enough in one instance
22:42 < Mike1> and it had its own bdb package downloaded anyways
22:42 < mnemoc> and nssdb
22:43 < mnemoc> daja77: full ack
22:43 < Mike1> i don't know if it really justified to be pissed off
22:43 < Mike1> but the thing is that i really didn't like this stuff
22:43 < daja77> Mike1: don't think so
22:44 < Mike1> daja77: i'm trying to look after gnome to get it funtional and doing fine, just as rene has kde
22:44 < Mike1> and so i need to take good care of every special detail
22:44 < Mike1> s/special/little
22:44 < daja77> yepp
22:45 < Mike1> and for example moving evolution to gnome* repos is something we don't want
22:45 < daja77> I was pissed by evolution when I first opened it, btw
22:45 < Mike1> also definitly _DEFINITLY_ don;'t want multiple packages versions
22:45 < Mike1> why were you pissed?
22:45 < mnemoc> evelution is a gnome* category, but not a gnome*/package
22:46 < Mike1> mnemoc: exaclty
22:46 < Mike1> exactly*
22:46 < daja77> it doesn't make sense to clone a shit program like outlook
22:46 < mnemoc> daja77: that's another topic
22:46 < Mike1> daja77: hey hld up,  like evolution, and also it is fine to offer option to the users
22:46 < daja77> I know, just wanted to state that
22:46 < mnemoc> packages are wellcome, but not that way
22:47 < Mike1> daja77: ur reasons are different than mine, and not really related to rock specifically, but to the package itself
22:47 < daja77> Mike1: sure, sure, I got you :)
22:48 < mnemoc> daja77 was just 'expressing' hisself
22:48 * daja77 just likes to say that outlook is crap
22:48 < Mike1> daja77: ich weiss
22:48 < daja77> hehe
22:49 < mnemoc> i'll have to learn *that* language :(
22:50 < daja77> he only said: I know :)
22:51 < mnemoc> I "weiss" <-- i got that :(
22:51 < daja77> huh?
22:52 < daja77> *argl* who stole my rock cds
22:52 < Mike1> mnemoc: Ich weiss = I know
22:52 * Mike1 opens eyes, and runs away with the cds
22:52 < daja77> damn I knew it :)
22:52 < mnemoc> jetzt ich weiss ;)
22:53 < Mike1> ah kewl, mnemoc sprechen deutsch
22:53 < Mike1> ?
22:54 < daja77> cool so we can switch the chan language :))
22:54 < mnemoc> NO!!! :(
22:55 < daja77> just kidding ...
22:55 < Mike1> sure export LANG=es_CL
22:55 < mnemoc> hehe
22:55 < Mike1> :)
22:55 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAADBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:55 < Mike1> daja77: cambiemos el lenguage del canal, yo no tengo ningun problema cone llo, y creo que mnemoc tampoco
22:55 < Mike1> cierto Ale?
22:55 < Mike1> :)
22:55 < mnemoc> obviamente...
22:56 < Mike1> bien queda definido entonces
22:56 < mnemoc> todos a hablar castellano
22:56 < Mike1> daja77: daje de andar traduciendo en babel
22:56 < Mike1> :P
22:56 < mnemoc> hehehe
22:56 < Mike1> ok enough torture for daja77 :)
22:56 < daja77> nah I unnderstood some parts
22:56 < daja77> :P
22:56 < Mike1> daja77: cool, so we can continue?
22:57 < daja77> nope
22:57 < Mike1> mnemoc: you are evil, confusing poor daja77
22:57 < Mike1> shame on you mnemoc
22:57 < mnemoc> :(
22:58 < mnemoc> sorry daja
22:58 < mnemoc> please don't eat my daughter :(
22:58 < daja77> *lol* count the lines, shame on Mike1
22:58 < mnemoc> :D
22:59 < Mike1> daja77: what? i didn't ment to confuse, mnemochad a shotgun pointing at my head, i had no other choice
22:59 < Mike1> daja77: but hey can eat mnemoc if you like
22:59 < daja77> *argl* I only once mentioned that kid eating stuff whle I was sleepy, and everybody remembers that :(
22:59 < mnemoc> ich sollte bekennen, ich tat es
22:59 < Mike1> daja77: hehehehehe :)
23:00 < daja77> I can't find the cds, this sucks
23:00 < daja77> mnemoc: O_o
23:00 < Mike1> daja77: mnemoc has them
23:00 < mnemoc> i got them a couple of hours ago by UPS
23:00 * daja77 wondering why Mikey points so quickly to mnemoc 
23:01 < Mike1> daja77: i din't do it i pormisse
23:01 < Mike1> it was mnemoc
23:01 < Mike1> didn't*
23:01 * Mike1 slowly hides the cds..
23:02 < tcr> moin all
23:02 < Mike1> hi tcr
23:02 < daja77> *waahoo* I found them
23:02 < tcr> hey Mike1
23:02 < Mike1> tcr: hi bro :)
23:03 < tcr> Got quite calm about development, me wonders
23:03 < Mike1> tcr: wht do you mean?
23:03 * daja77 updating his box while we speak
23:04 < tcr> Mike1: if you think positively, it means that bugs are getting rarer
23:05 < Mike1> yeah
23:05 < tcr> thinking negatively means that the monumentum's getting lower (which is natural, howsoever)
23:05 < Mike1> harder to fix
23:06 < tcr> Well, I'm very interested in what netrunner found. I'll make a cluster build myself.
23:07 < tcr> I'd have done that already, but I can't get the floppy drive working again
23:07 < Mike1> i will be running builds all thr weekend
23:07 < Mike1> have a lot of computing power available
23:07 < tcr> (I put it out for some marginal reason)
23:08 < tcr> Electricity flows. I don't think the fd cable is b0rken
23:08 < tcr> and I tried out all combination (in which direction the cable is plugged in)
23:09 < tcr> combinations
23:09 < Mike1> replace the cable :)
23:10 * Mike1 will test gnome1.4 tonigh
23:10 < daja77> gnome 1.4, wtf
23:10 < Mike1> i ment evolution :)
23:11 < tcr> Mike1: But a week ago the cable worked
23:11 < Mike1> sorry for the shocking :)
23:11 < tcr> Well, will try it out (just to go sure) tomorrow
23:11 < Mike1> tcr: have tested a different fd?
23:12 < tcr> it worked in my brother's box (that's the marginal reason)
23:12 < mnemoc> brb
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23:12 < Mike1> tcr: quite weird
23:13 * daja77 notes that tcr has lots of weird hw
23:13 < Mike1> tcr: the only thing is left is try a different cable
23:15 < daja77> or throwing it out of the window ...
23:15 < tcr> daja77: Well just pretty old hw
23:16 < tcr> Without any manuals etc..
23:16 < Mike1> old hw rocks :
23:16 < Mike1> :)
23:16 < daja77> speaking of that, on granny's pc there was an unlogged kernel panic >_<
23:16 < daja77> today
23:16 < Mike1> cool
23:16 < Mike1> :P
23:16 < daja77> :PPP
23:17 < daja77> I hate panics which don't make it to the log
23:17 < daja77> + *dm is shit software
23:18 < daja77> where * = x|g|k
23:18 -!- amery [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux
23:18 < Mike1> amery: hi
23:18 < Mike1> :P
23:19 < daja77> hi amery
23:19 < amery> :)
23:19 < amery> nick mnemoc
23:19 < amery> shit
23:19 -!- amery is now known as mnemoc
23:19 < tcr> hmm I like amery more
23:19 < Mike1> s/shit/scheisse
23:19 * daja77 points and laughs at mnemoc
23:19 < mnemoc> :(
23:19 -!- mnemoc is now known as amery
23:20 < tcr> it sounds more female
23:20 < tcr> *bg*
23:20 < Mike1> hi amery..ca..
23:20 < daja77> ack
23:20 < amery> o_O
23:20 -!- amery is now known as mnemoc
23:22 < daja77> as long as he isn't coreutils anymore ...
23:22 < Mike1> amery you are too quite
23:22 < Mike1> daja77: ?
23:22 < daja77> mnemoc once called himself coreutils cos he was pissed by it
23:23 < Mike1> hehe
23:23 < mnemoc> Mike1: do you like evolution ;)
23:23 < daja77> .oO I hope not
23:24 < Mike1> i currently use it for my business stuff
23:24 < mnemoc> even better... evolution14 :)
23:24 < Mike1> mnemoc: have noit tested evolution 1.4
23:24 < Mike1> will see how it is tonight
23:24 < tcr> https://freebits.de/trash/evolution.jpg
23:24 < Mike1> daja77: sorry to disapoint ya, but does offer me some advantages for business
23:24 < daja77> whic?
23:24 < daja77> +h
23:24 < Mike1> daja77: but for development i use mutt
23:25 < Mike1> tcr: nicepic :P
23:25 < Mike1> mnemoc: how about you ?
23:25 < Mike1> daja77: it lets my gf check mails for me :)
23:26 < daja77> hehe
23:26 < tcr> And that's good for bussines? U_u
23:26 < Mike1> tcr: i don't like to do hosting troubleshooting so yes its good :)
23:27 < tcr> Yeah, I like Just Works software, too. As long as it ain't any bloat
23:28 < daja77> my grandma uses kmail ...
23:29 < Mike1> tcr: you will come to cr next yeaR?>
23:30 < tcr> Mike1: It means for just to acquire the money for the flight, right?
23:30 < tcr> for me
23:30 < Mike1> tcr: and for some expenses
23:30 < Mike1> tcr: no need to worry about a place to sleep or conectivity :)
23:31 < daja77> yeah you have to work hard, and then Mike1 gets some chicks for you
23:31 < Mike1> daja77: wanna see some cr chick powerrrrr?
23:31 < daja77> yeeesss
23:31 < Mike1> you does ur browser support javascript? else you won't be able to see the pics
23:32 < Mike1> https://cr.2night.com/home.asp?Categoria=Eventos&Titulo=Fiesta+Deep+Blue+&Fecha=S%E1b+28+de+Junio&AlbumID=03711
23:32 < daja77> yepp, trying konqueror
23:32 < Mike1> ok check out the babes on the pic number 1
23:32 < Mike1> we can arrange a meeting with them :)
23:32 < tcr> Mike1: So I approve to come if everything behaves as I imagine
23:32 < Mike1> tcr: good.
23:33 < daja77> no flash plugin *argl*
23:33 < daja77> hmm rene asked me todo a pacakge for it, I really should do this
23:33 < Mike1> daja77: oh man poor daja77
23:34 < Mike1> lets see i can get the pics for ya
23:34 < daja77> nah I see pics
23:34 < daja77> just no flash in rock
23:35 < tcr> Nice. Just a bit too old :>
23:35 < daja77> ok I take that two, and you?
23:35 < daja77> yeah Mike1 get some younger chicks, hehe
23:36 < daja77> I don't wanna meet your mom >:->
23:36 * daja77 runs away
23:36 < tcr> I bet I could get through as Mike1's son
23:36 < tcr> Well as Mike's super intelligent son, that's it. ;)))
23:36 < Mike1> great i managed to decode the pics location
23:36 < daja77> hehe
23:37 < Mike1> tcr: if you were not inteligent you woulnd't be my son :P
23:37 < daja77> tcr: hmm if you say nothing, perhaps :))
23:37 < Mike1> daja77: check this baby:
23:37 < Mike1> https://fotos1.2night.com/03711/038b.jpg
23:37 < Mike1> wanna meet her?
23:37 * daja77 checking
23:37 * tcr . o O ( Mike1 the pander! )
23:38 < Mike1> or do you prefer: https://fotos1.2night.com/03711/001b.jpg ??
23:38 < daja77> bah without him
23:38 < Mike1> daja77: i said the girl not thew looser :)
23:38 < daja77> *gg*
23:39 < daja77> you know him?
23:40 < Mike1> not him but her yeah
23:40 < daja77> great
23:40 < Mike1> she works at a disco
23:40 < daja77> aha
23:40 < Mike1> some loosers like him ask her to let them have a pic with her and so
23:40 < daja77> hehe
23:40 < tcr> I only wanna sadgothgurls :<
23:41 < Mike1> daja77: you see having such quality girl at a disco can get you tons of cutomers if you know what i mean
23:41 < daja77> sure
23:41 < daja77> tcr: take owl then *vbeg*
23:41 < Mike1> daja77: you should come with tcr, that we can leave him at home while you an i go to hang around with the babes
23:41 < daja77> *lol*
23:41 < Mike1> daja77: as you know tcr is too young to come with us :P
23:42 < daja77> yepp and someone has to clean the dishes
23:43 < Mike1> hehe
23:43 < tcr> I'm not the type of someone who goes to parties anyway
23:43 < Mike1> tcr: okis :)
23:43 < daja77> perfect!
23:43 < Mike1> tcr: how are you btw?
23:44 < tcr> I'm A Geek. Yadda yadda
23:44 < Mike1> :PP
23:45 < daja77> Mike1: if you want to get him to work, you'd have to switch wlan off
23:45 < Mike1> :PP
23:45 < tcr> Mike1: Still two weeks school but no tests etc anymore! So got time for restructure my home network (if I'd only get the damn fd working)
23:45 < tcr> Hmm, got no laptop anyway.
23:46 * daja77 has two atm
23:46 < Mike1> daja77: poser!
23:46 < tcr> Will burn an archive of my settings on CD and will take that one with me when I go to mike
23:46 < daja77> *gg* one borrowed from my sister
23:46 < daja77> Mike1: will you go to sg, now that sars is over?
23:47 < tcr> daja77 is a damn rich dandy (reicher Schnösel)
23:47 < daja77> no
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23:47 < tcr> then ya family
23:47 < Mike1> daja77: some cituations have come up, so after some talking with cchamilt i believe it won't happen in a near future
23:47 < daja77> ah hi Ge0rG
23:47 < Ge0rG> good morning
23:47 < daja77> Mike1: wtf
23:47 < Mike1> hi Ge0rG
23:48 < Mike1> daja77: long story
23:48 < daja77>  /query perhaps?
23:48 < tcr> Mike1: So that's definitive? Chris shortly mentioned that topic
23:48 < Ge0rG> /usr/bin/sendmail: line 2: exec: sendmail_sendmail: not found
23:48 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909E32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
23:48 < Mike1> tcr: yups.
23:49 < Mike1> tcr: but we might merge efford and get something moving.
23:49 * Ge0rG experiences mail sending problems on rock2.0
23:49 < tcr> Not life critical, I hope?
23:49 < Mike1> daja77: query..
23:49 < Mike1> tcr: oh no no, nothing to do with that
23:49 < Mike1> Ge0rG: define mail sending problems
23:50 < Ge0rG> Mike1: /usr/bin/sendmail is a shellscript referencing sendmail_sendmail, which doesn't exist (see error message above)
23:50 < Mike1> Ge0rG: you do have sendmail installed right?
23:51 < Ge0rG> ah, its under /usr/sbin/sendmail_sendmail, which isnt in $PATH for regular users.
23:52 < Mike1> grrr
23:53 < Ge0rG> ohwait. it is in the path in the default config?
23:57 < daja77> booting updated box, brb
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