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--- Log opened Mon Jul 14 00:00:36 2003 --- Day changed Mon Jul 14 2003 00:01 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157026052.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 00:21 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:21 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD95069B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:28 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:33 < huebi> A good german book about DJB's deamontools: https://www.fehcom.de/qmail/docu/05_new.pdf 00:34 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 00:43 -!- kasc [~kasc@p509093A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:48 < rolla> re 00:55 < esden> hi rolla good to see you 00:55 < esden> I tested the alpha rocklinux iso I sent you long time ago 00:55 < esden> I was able to boot it without any problems ... 00:56 < esden> in the SRM I typed >>> boot DKA0 00:56 < esden> that booted from the cd 00:56 < esden> then in the aboot console: 00:56 < esden> aboot> b /boot/esdenkernel_2_4.17 root=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 00:57 < esden> and had the installation disk booted 00:57 < esden> I have not only tested the cd I pulled the iso from but also burned the iso I sent you and tested 00:58 < esden> do you remember what exact problem you had? 00:59 < Aard> esden: nice to see you learning for youre exams... 8) 00:59 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090ABDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:59 < esden> Aard: I do learn ... but I have the chat running on another monitor ... 00:59 < esden> and I have run the test some days ago 01:03 < rolla> esden: I will have to try that 01:04 < esden> kk 01:04 < fake> rolla: the challenge s is running rock 01:04 < rolla> ? 01:04 < fake> rolla: and currently compiling 2.0.0-beta6 without problems 01:05 < rolla> very cool 01:05 < fake> yeah, it's great, mips support in 2.0 should be way-to-go 01:06 < rolla> very cool 01:07 < fake> the indy will be supported with gfx soon 01:08 < esden> hmm alpha support will most likely be not in 2.0 ... because the disc in my alpha is broken (yes that is a beg for a harddisk ;-) ) 01:08 < fake> i talked to some port-people on linuxtag (a fair i just returned from tonight) and they promised to fix devfs for the newport fb/console driver on monday 01:08 * fake has no harddisks 01:08 < fake> i write onto WOMs 01:08 < esden> WOM??? 01:09 < fake> write-only-memory 01:09 < esden> paper? 01:09 < fake> no, the favourite WOM chips! 01:09 < esden> you write stuff on them and then eat so you can no more read from them. right? 01:10 < fake> mount -o loop,wo /dev/null /mnt/wom 01:10 < rolla> :) 01:10 < esden> ahh ok ... nice 01:10 < fake> (only supported in FAKE UNIX 01:10 < fake> ) 01:10 < fake> REV. 4223 01:11 < esden> when will there be a FAKE UNIX target in rock? 01:11 < fake> as soon as it hits revision 2142312341475 01:11 < fake> which should be in about.... 136 years at the current rate. 01:11 < rolla> fake sounds very cool 01:12 < esden> hmm ... that are only two fakes 01:12 < esden> not so much 01:12 < fake> *LOL* 01:12 < fake> and now i am going to take a short nap 01:13 < esden> have a nice sleep fake 01:13 < fake> thanks, you too, student! 01:13 < fake> ;) 01:13 < fake> night rolla! 01:13 < esden> thank you ... but I do not think that I will have the possibility to do that 01:13 < esden> still a lot to learn for tomorrow 01:14 < fake> esden: thou should overload thee brainz! 01:14 < fake> brzl 01:14 < fake> good luck! 01:14 < esden> that will not burn my brain ... that stuff is nice ... I like it 01:14 < esden> but it is still a lot to learn 01:15 < esden> thank you anyways ;-) 01:31 < esden> rolla: how is your status? 01:31 < rolla> ? 01:31 < esden> you said that you are burning ... 01:31 < rolla> burn is done going to try and boot the system 01:32 < esden> ok 01:39 < rolla> mom 01:49 < rolla> esden: alphas can't read cd-rw 01:49 < esden> your alphas ;-) 01:50 < rolla> I do a boot dka600 and I get no mdeia 01:50 < esden> I have bought the cheepest ide cdrom drive I could find and inserted it in my alpha ... and it can read cdrw 01:50 < rolla> oh mine is scsi 01:51 < rolla> no ide 01:51 < esden> yes that are the standard drives that are in that boxes 01:51 < esden> and they also can not read cdr 01:52 < rolla> ? 01:52 < esden> but your alphas have ide on board for sure 01:52 < rolla> they allways have before 01:52 < rolla> I have loaded redhat , debian , gentoo all from cdr 01:52 < esden> ohh sorry ... yes you are right 01:52 < esden> cdr was readable 01:52 < esden> but not always iirc 01:53 < rolla> okay 01:53 < rolla> I will test this with cdr and see if it can read it 01:53 < esden> kk 01:53 < esden> but I have to go to bed ... 01:53 < esden> pleas write me what you acheved 01:53 < rolla> okay 01:53 < esden> good night 01:54 < rolla> thanks 03:49 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1EDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:12 -!- Abydos313 [~christ@adsl-64-175-107-79.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:14 -!- Abydos313 [~christ@adsl-64-175-107-79.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has left #rocklinux () 04:20 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DCC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:06 -!- daja77 [[cNnj2E7lX@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:08 -!- supreet [~supreet@203.94.204.66] has joined #rocklinux 05:10 -!- daja77 [[bqBH8C2uj@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:16 -!- supreet [~supreet@203.94.204.66] has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:29 -!- daja77 [[bqBH8C2uj@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 05:29 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:29 -!- daja77 [[jevM2F4XU@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:35 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:37 < jsaw> rxr: I just saw in the kdevelop config running down my window, that the Python path is set to "/usr/local" (I'm 2 tired to have a look at it myself right now...), cu l8r 05:49 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DAE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:02 < mnemoc> dummy question: is Makefile.in converted by autoconf? 06:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: if there's a configure script normally yes. gn8 06:11 < mnemoc> so configure should auto do it? 06:12 < mnemoc> i'm patching a couple of .in files of gcc, but files are no re-generated :( 06:12 < jsaw> configure create Makefile from Makefile.in. autoconf etal create Makefile.in from Makefile.am 06:12 < mnemoc> and configure.in? 06:12 < jsaw> configure.in to configure by autoconf etal 06:12 < mnemoc> configure self generate a new configure from updated configure.in? 06:13 < mnemoc> or should i manualy run autoconf? 06:13 < jsaw> must run autoconf if configure.in was modified 06:14 < mnemoc> thanks :) 06:14 < jsaw> (aclocal is probably also necessary) 06:14 < jsaw> cu l8r, mnemoc 06:14 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 06:14 < mnemoc> :( 07:01 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530A17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:01 < christ|an> good morningun 07:01 < christ|an> morninug 07:01 < christ|an> morning 07:01 < christ|an> :) 07:19 < blindcoder> moin 07:23 < christ|an> :) 07:23 < christ|an> i must go to work in a few minutes :) cya this evening? :) 07:26 < blindcoder> maybe... not sure 07:26 < blindcoder> want to go to bed early today 07:26 < blindcoder> and I just got up >_< 07:50 < netrunner> moin 07:52 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p508024FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("Changing server") 07:58 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p508024FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:58 < netrunner> what ... ? 08:08 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:08 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530A17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:40 < esden> moin 08:41 < blindcoder> moin esden *hug* 08:42 < esden> *rehug* 08:44 * blindcoder almost falling asleep... every muscle hurts >_< 08:44 * -> esden is also falling asleep 08:44 < esden> and at 10 I have to write an exam >_< 08:45 < blindcoder> again? 08:45 < esden> ack 08:45 < blindcoder> urgs 08:45 < blindcoder> good luck 08:45 < esden> thanks 08:51 < schasi> stay awake if possible ^^ 08:51 < esden> i will try ;-) 08:52 * blindcoder hands esden some toothpicks 08:52 < schasi> drink some pots of coffee 09:05 < esden> ok ... I am off for uni 09:05 < esden> cu guys 09:05 < blindcoder> see you later ^^ 09:05 < schasi> cu 09:25 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:26 < owl> hi. wow. freak-free today. well. then i'll stay 09:30 < blindcoder> moin owly 09:30 < owl> hi blindy ;) 10:00 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:20 < fake> rehi 10:20 < owl> hi fake 10:20 < blindcoder> moin fake 10:30 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:42 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:14 < owl> *yawn* 11:19 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:20 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F09C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958FFE1.dip.t-dialin.net))) 11:20 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:28 < owl> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. don't tell me, that the scripts just disliked the version of my bash?!!! 11:31 < rxr> re 11:32 < owl> hi rxr 11:32 < rxr> hi owl 11:33 < owl> rxr: how are you? 11:34 < rxr> good - and you ? 11:34 < rxr> the massive alcohol consume stopped ? 11:35 < owl> hm. yes. stopped. for now. but not for tonight. /me feeling like shit. (as always) thx 11:36 * blindcoder back 11:39 < rxr> oO owl - why do you fell so much like shit ? 11:40 < owl> rxr: hm. why shouldn't i? is there something to laugh about? the meaningless of me. and the senseless of life. nah. can't laugh about that 11:41 < blindcoder> owl: take dancing lessons ^^ 11:41 < blindcoder> I feel really good because of dancing yesterday ^^ 11:41 < owl> blindcoder: what for? i'm hating dancing 11:43 * blindcoder now creating a new pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf patch 11:45 -!- schueler [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:46 < blindcoder> moin schueler 11:47 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:57 < blindcoder> hm... can someone enlighten me about something in the lilo/lilo.conf file? 11:58 < blindcoder> the /etc/lilo.conf is only created if it doesn't exist already... why? 12:00 < rxr> cool 12:00 < blindcoder> rxr: ? 12:01 < rxr> the RS/6000 IBM sponsored and is now on my desk shows first live signs ... 12:01 < rxr> cool kernel booting ... 12:01 < blindcoder> sweet 12:02 < rxr> fs check ;-) 12:02 < rxr> seems to have crashed or powered-off the last time Cliff used it ... *g* 12:03 < blindcoder> hehe 12:03 < blindcoder> rxr: do you have any idea about the lilo thing I just asked? 12:04 < rxr> erhm - /me fetchmailing ... 12:04 < rxr> but I'm a grub user for some years now ... 12:05 < blindcoder> no, here on IRC. lilo.conf only creates /etc/lilo.conf if it doesn't exist already 12:08 < rxr> mom 12:08 < rxr> update in an installed system - we do this for many config files .. 12:08 < blindcoder> ah, I see. 12:09 < rxr> we have this automated config file restoring via Build-Pkg -update - but it is nice when important files are not overwrite when you forget the option in a running system ... 12:09 < blindcoder> I was just curious, because I noticed it when I created the pkg_lilo_post.conf for lpp 12:09 < rxr> hm - obelix asks for the root passwort - I guess I need a init=/bin/bash run ... *hehe* 12:11 < blindcoder> hehe, sometimes I am tempted to just patch the init= thing out of the kernel ^^ 12:13 < rxr> when the person has physical access to the machine it does not help 12:13 < rxr> but damn the box has no bootprompt where I could enter it ... 12:15 * blindcoder now sending second try of pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf "feature" 12:18 < rxr> the box really boots slow 12:21 < esden> re hi all!!! 12:22 < esden> VACATION!!!! WEEE!!! I AM COMING!!! ;-) 12:22 * blindcoder kicks esden 12:22 < esden> :D 12:22 < blindcoder> esden: how's the exam been? 12:22 * -> esden hugs blindcoder 12:23 * blindcoder hugs back 12:23 < esden> blindcoder: very nice ... beside the fact that the time was to short what goes on my nerves 12:23 < blindcoder> isn't it always? 12:23 < esden> blindcoder: yes ... that is right 12:24 < blindcoder> hehe 12:24 < esden> ok ... I have to clean up the mess here in my cell ... and then off to ingolstadt ;-) 12:24 < esden> and paddy!!! ;-) 12:24 < blindcoder> paddy? 12:25 < esden> party! ;-) 12:25 < blindcoder> oh... k 12:25 < blindcoder> don't start without e! 12:25 < blindcoder> me! 12:25 < esden> blindcoder: you like to go billard today? 12:25 < rxr> rock 1.3.11 is on the RS6000 ... 12:26 < blindcoder> hmm... surre 12:26 < rxr> 2000/10/14 12:26 < blindcoder> esden: but I'd also like 77 Euros 12:26 < esden> blindcoder: :-( 12:27 < esden> I know ... I will see what I can do ... ;-) 12:27 < blindcoder> good boy *pat* 12:27 < esden> rxr: see it so ... it could be older ;-) 12:28 < blindcoder> hehe 12:29 < blindcoder> I like these nethack patches :) 12:29 < esden> blindcoder: o_O 12:29 < blindcoder> found a few quite nice nethack patches and wrote some of my own again 12:29 < blindcoder> I currently run a heavily overpatched nethack ^^ 12:30 < esden> blindcoder: humm ... nethack is a patchwork itself ;-) 12:30 < blindcoder> yes, that also ^^ 12:37 < esden> no pig in bitz ... >_< 12:37 < esden> what is going on?!!! 12:37 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fake 12:37 < esden> cu fake ;-) 12:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fake 12:38 -!- Ge0rG [georg@212.21.74.154] has joined #rocklinux 12:38 < esden> re fake 12:38 < Ge0rG> good morning 12:39 < esden> morning Ge0rG 12:44 < netrunner> hi esden 12:44 < blindcoder> moin Ge0rG 12:46 < blindcoder> esden: as you are the ROCK dietlibc guru, I expect some feedback from you regarding the pkg_*_{pre,post}.conf thing 12:46 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Ge0rG, netrunner, daja77, praenti, christ|an, huebi, fake, blindcoder, mistik1, kasc, (+7 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:47 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Ge0rG, fake, schueler, blindcoder, christ|an, netrunner, daja77, kasc, huebi, mnemoc (+7 more) 12:48 < esden> re 12:48 < esden> ;-) 12:49 < owl> re 12:49 < esden> erm ... yes ... I know ... I have to write that ... and extract the dietlibc gcc patch ... 12:49 < esden> but that takes some time ... 12:49 < esden> owl: *hug* 12:49 < owl> hi esden *rehug* 12:49 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, Ge0rG, daja77, praenti, christ|an, huebi, fake, blindcoder, mistik1, kasc, (+7 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke, blindcoder, Mike1, Ge0rG, fake, schueler, christ|an, netrunner, daja77, kasc (+7 more) 12:49 < blindcoder> esden: a simple "I could use that for dietlibc" would already be enough ^^ 12:49 < esden> argl 12:50 < esden> argl 12:50 < blindcoder> hrm 12:50 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... I have to take a deeper look in the feature of you and the structures in dietlibc before I can say that ;-) 12:51 < esden> argl was because of the fscking netsplits 12:51 < esden> blindcoder: animus was online yesterday ... can you imagine that? 12:51 < esden> but she has not answered on my greet ... :-/ 12:54 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindcoder 12:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder 12:57 < blindcoder> wtf is lilo doing? 12:59 < owl> blindcoder: he wants to annoy you ;p 13:00 -!- huebi_ [~huebi@pD9E1C851.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:00 < blindcoder> hrmpf 13:00 < owl> *g* 13:01 < owl> someone knows if Aard is still alive? 13:05 < netrunner> muahaha: https://www.shortnews.de/shownews.cfm?id=464672 13:06 < blindcoder> *ouch* 13:06 < owl> *lol* 13:10 < netrunner> owl: yes, you laugh! :/ 13:10 < owl> netrunner: sure *vbeg* 13:10 < esden> huhu netrunner *hug* ;-) 13:11 -!- huebi [~huebi@pD9E1C8FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:11 * netrunner *hug*s esden 13:12 < owl> WAAAAAAAAH!!!! those guys are with stupid (@company)!!! 13:12 < esden> wuaaaaaahh ... 13:12 < esden> I knew that drugs are bad ... 13:12 < esden> but that is really ill 13:12 < owl> nah. drugs are ok. but not, if you#re a man :ppp 13:13 < blindcoder> esden: s/ill/sick/ 13:13 < esden> owl: be carefull that you do not cut you a tit away and eat it ;-) 13:13 < esden> blindcoder: ack 13:14 < owl> *lol* naaaaaaaaaaaaaah 13:14 * owl kicks esden 13:14 < esden> owl: you never know ... if you like drugs it may happen 13:15 < owl> esden: i just like alk and citalopram 13:17 < netrunner> owl: so stay away if you consumed drugs! :) 13:18 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... I think she does not need drugs to do something nasty ;-) 13:21 < esden> *yawn* 13:24 < netrunner> esden: donatos? 13:25 < esden> o_O 13:25 < esden> ??? 13:26 < netrunner> esden: food. in round pieces, approximately 23cm in diameter. overlayed (?) with salami, squashed tomatoes and cheese. 13:26 < blindcoder> sounds like pizza :) 13:27 < netrunner> donatos is the pizza-fast-food derivate of mcdonalds. 13:27 < blindcoder> oh... that's why I never heard of it ^^ 13:27 < blindcoder> haven't been to a fast-food-thing in months 13:28 < owl> netrunner: nah 13:28 < fake> citalopram? 13:28 * fake wants 13:29 < owl> fake: why? 13:29 < fake> owl: just hand some over 13:29 * owl gives fake some of her citalopram 13:30 < esden> junkies 13:30 < owl> esden: *kick* 13:30 < esden> netrunner: mcdonalds? ... no thanks 13:30 < esden> owl: yes ... truth hurts most ;-) 13:30 < netrunner> ah: CelexaTM (citalopram HBr) is an orally administered selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) with a chemical structure unrelated to that of other SSRI's or of tricyclic, tetracyclic, or other available antidepressant agents. 13:31 < netrunner> esden: no, not burgers,pizza. tastes good. and you order from a table via phone :) 13:31 < esden> netrunner: sounds good ... 13:32 < netrunner> esden: I'd go to regerstrasse now, wanna join? 13:32 < owl> netrunner: alc - is an better anti-depressant "medicine" - cause it kills the brain and killed brain is not able to produce negative thoughts. 13:32 < esden> netrunner: I would have to drive in to the city ... 13:32 < esden> netrunner: no ... thanks ... I want to drive to ingolstadt ;-) 13:32 < esden> netrunner: will we see each other tomorrow? 13:32 < esden> at the uni? 13:32 < netrunner> esden: there's one in the leopoldstr, but that's not on my route today. 13:33 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... leopoldstr would be better for me ... 13:33 < netrunner> esden: yes, I want to kick some ... points out of no1 13:33 < esden> netrunner: hehe ;-) 13:33 < esden> ok ... cu then 13:33 < esden> I drive now to IN 13:33 < esden> cu l8er 13:34 < netrunner> esden: have phun 13:34 < owl> bye esden 13:37 < fake> owl: i always have the feeling that i am even more depressed when drunk when i'm alone 13:38 < owl> hrm. then don't drink :-( 14:08 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fake 14:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fake 14:14 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 < jsaw> re 14:14 < jsaw> hi all 14:16 < fake> hi jsaw 14:23 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAABAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:24 < owl> hi jsaw , tcr 14:24 < tcr> moin 14:29 < owl> *gnarf* /me jumps out of the window 14:29 * blindcoder closes the window beind owl 14:29 < tcr> "Freuden schöner Götterfunken, Tocher von Ilisium.." 14:30 < blindcoder> btw: GUH-Narf 14:31 < owl> blindcoder: hm? 14:31 < tcr> GNU-arf 14:31 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B309C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 < knoti> hi 14:32 < owl> np: soulfly - tree of pain. 14:32 < owl> tcr: do you know it? 14:32 < owl> hi knoti 14:32 < tcr> nope 14:33 < owl> hm. want to know...? 14:34 < tcr> what kind? 14:34 < tcr> send it anyway 14:34 < owl> hm. metal i would say... (but this song is sometimes extremely calm) 14:34 < owl> (but just sometimes *vbeg*) 14:35 < tcr> tree of pain, that doesn't sound like an ordinary metal song 14:35 < owl> hm. yeah... just listen to it ;) 14:35 < owl> soulfly is a bit like slipknot, sick of it all and so 14:36 < tcr> slipknot is pop 14:36 < owl> *lol* not really 14:36 < tcr> at least the newer songs 14:36 < owl> dunno. don't know some songs of them... like "no life" and so 14:37 < tcr> I don't know any song at all, and I think I won't ever 14:37 < owl> hmmm. k. as you wish ;p 14:38 < owl> (might i should rename one and send it to you *vbeg*) 14:40 < owl> .oO(rock is hating me... now it works *argh*) 14:45 < tcr> that song makes me yawn... I mean it crawls for the first 2 1/2 minutes 14:46 < owl> hmmm 14:48 < tcr> Oh well. I'm better off listening to die apokalyptishen reiter - gone again 14:48 < owl> hehe. have fun, tcr 14:50 < jsaw> hi night{hawk,owl}. No that you wrote it (intr syscall), I remember it was the same for me. 14:51 < tcr> owl: bash 2.0b is required. 14:51 < tcr> And why the hell had you 2.0a installed anyway? 14:54 < tcr> perfect word order %) 14:54 < jsaw> :) 14:56 < tcr> btw jsaw; i bought such a pci2usb card, but cant it working. Dont really know why not... I suppose it could be because of the very old mainboard 14:56 < rxr> hi hs 14:56 < rxr> jsaw: 14:56 < tcr> cant get it workin 14:57 < jsaw> hi rxr 14:57 < jsaw> tcr: card vendor/device etc? 14:57 < rxr> jsaw: do we really need ro move this few files into subdirs ?? 14:57 < rxr> btw: there are some rockplug changes planned ... 14:58 * blindcoder going home 14:58 < rxr> we already noticed that we need hwscan for the initrd or embedded devices - so we'll modularize hwscan - and make it eat a parameter with a deivce given - so it only delivers what to load for that device 14:59 < rxr> so we'll port the new matching code into a modular hwscan (get rid of the current hwhex by that way) - and make rockplug call hwscan -pci -device xyz ... 14:59 < Ge0rG> hm.. I forgot to ask you guys about rockplug at the LT *:) 14:59 < jsaw> rxr: i have done it already (hwhex is gone!) 15:00 < fake> Ge0rG: hi! 15:00 < rxr> jsaw: ah good to know ... 15:00 < Ge0rG> hi fake :) 15:00 < jsaw> rxr: hexdump (in util-linux) does it. 15:00 < tcr> jsaw: I dont think you can do anything about it anyway. just wanted to tell you that i took you advise 15:00 < jsaw> rxr: I don't like using lspci. 15:00 < rxr> I know about hexdump - but I have not found a way to make it generate the needed output ... 15:01 < rxr> hwscan does not use lspci (IIRC) 15:01 < rxr> but we need a common code path for both application - otherwise maintaining is too error prone ... 15:01 < jsaw> rxr: yes it does. while ( ("lspci -v" | getline) > 0 ) { 15:02 < rxr> jsaw: ok - but this shoudl be easyly removeable ... 15:02 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B309C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15:03 < jsaw> rxr: the current code will not go into a package (if you do make dist). just wait 1 more days and have a look at it (look at it as a proposal). there's a good reason for sorting this out into sub dirs (duplicate code). 15:03 < rxr> cooool the RS/600 has 768MB RAM ;-)! 15:03 < rxr> jsaw: ok - I have enught todo anyway ... 15:04 < owl> tcr: where is it written? 15:04 < jsaw> tcr: Not going to give up on it. What's the card vendor/device etc. ? 15:04 < tcr> owl: what ? 15:04 < rxr> and I could do a svn merge -r HEAD:$last_revision_before_restruct anyway ... 15:04 < owl> tcr: aeh. that bash-2.05b is required 15:04 < owl> hi rxr btw 15:05 < rxr> re hi owl 15:05 < jsaw> rxr: how problematic is it, to add search caps to the ML archs? 15:05 < rxr> just needed a bit sleep after all this traveling before and after LT ... 15:05 < owl> wonderful... stage 2 :))) then you will normally have a new rock-user on saturday or sunday... depends on when i will meet him... :) 15:05 < rxr> jsaw: hm ? 15:05 < tcr> owl: Nowhere. I asked why we don't check for it, no answer. 15:06 < rxr> Mailing List archive ? 15:06 < owl> hmmm 15:06 < jsaw> rxr: (search capabilities) (mailing list archive on the homepage) 15:06 < tcr> jsaw: the mailing list archive thingy must be rewritten completely, I think 15:06 < rxr> jsaw: the current search function should already search thru the lists ... 15:07 < jsaw> ? lemma see, I missed the button... 15:07 < owl> tcr: i had installed 2.0a becaus it was my first lfs-system and i did almost completely use the book 15:08 < fake> rxr: how was the trip? ;) 15:08 < fake> did you bring "bleigel-akkus" to hack in the train ? ;)) 15:09 < tcr> jsaw: I have a 4port add-in card with a VIA VT6202 USB 2.0 host controller and a VIA Apollo VPX mainboard. 15:09 < rxr> fake: the trip was ok - aside that I had to carry this B50 with me ... 15:10 < rxr> but hey - it has 768MB RAM - it was worth the pain ... 15:10 < rxr> and since my iBook can run 5 hours on battery I edited the new ROCK Linux handbook quite much ... 15:10 < fake> rxr: aw, it had 1 Gig when clifford gave it to me... bwuahaha. ;) 15:10 < Mike1> moin, rxr LT pics? 15:11 < fake> wow... 5Hrs? with no backlight, the harddisk disconnected and the cdrom drive too? and no music running? 15:11 < jsaw> tcr: what modules did you try? 15:12 < rxr> fake: you exchanged the RAM ? 15:12 < tcr> jsaw: Eh, well, I install windoze on that box. Card is detected, and devices plugged into the card do get electricity, but they aren't detected 15:12 < rxr> fake: nope - just switched to 400Mhz powersaving policy - normal useage ... 15:13 < rxr> even some CPU intensive latex runs - and continous mp3 ogg/vorbis playback ... - HD was on the wohle time ... 15:14 < jsaw> tcr: usb2.0 <-> 1.1 problem I guess. Install Linux! 15:16 < tcr> jsaw: how do you mean? 2.0 is backward compatible to 1.1. And I can't install linux on it 15:17 < fake> rxr: that was a joke, a pretty polish one i admit ;) 15:18 < jsaw> tcr: electrically speaking yes. driverly speaking, no. 15:19 < tcr> Well, via offers a "filter patch" for 1.0 support. 15:19 < rxr> fake: ah - the ram modules look all the same anyway - so I wondered ... 15:19 < tcr> I'll test some things I haven't tested yet, and then I'll ask the technical support of VIA 15:21 < tcr> jsaw: If the modem gets electricity (the led lights), there shouldn't be a problem with electricity, should it? (I can't get how much mA the modem requires) 15:21 < Mike1> ARRGGG!!! my devel partition is full.. 15:21 < rxr> tcr: there one was a nice article in the ct about usb 1 vs. 2 ... 15:21 < rolla> re 15:21 < Mike1> welcome back rolla 15:21 < rolla> yeah yeah 15:29 < rxr> Mike1: I have a few photos - they will be online later .. 15:29 < Mike1> rxr: excellent thanks 15:29 < fake> rxr: just mail them, i have scripts for stuff like that (fake.by-infonet.de/pics/) 15:30 < Mike1> fake: have you got any pics on ur host yet? (from LT) 15:30 < fake> from last year and from ccc and hal and stuff 15:30 < fake> but i don't take pictures usually, so no. 15:30 < Mike1> fake: oks 15:32 < rxr> fake: I have script, too. No problem. 15:41 < fake> rxr: but i don't want to leech them with wget... *g* 15:44 < rxr> wheeeeeeeee 15:44 < rxr> Linus Torvalds <to Linux v2.6.0-test1 15:45 < rxr> once a few days out of home - one misses such things ... 15:46 < Mike1> yups 15:48 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1FA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAABAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("brb") 16:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAABAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:19 < tcr> I might have found the problem. The ethernet card as well as that pci2usb add-in card, both share interrupt 12 16:24 -!- Ge0rG [georg@212.21.74.154] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 16:30 < jsaw> Mike1: I think you forgot the hotfix.patch for evolution? 16:31 < Mike1> jsaw: nope its included 16:31 < Mike1> see the patch again 16:31 * jsaw is blind 16:32 < jsaw> Mike1: other question. I thought "--enable-file-locking=flock" is best. Are you/we sure to keep that? 16:32 < Mike1> jsaw: right after changing evolution.desk 16:32 < owl> hi Mike1 16:32 < Mike1> if no one objects i have no problem. 16:33 < Mike1> hi owly 16:33 < owl> oh goth... patch-bombs written by Miguel ;) 16:33 < Mike1> almost finished. 16:33 < owl> heh, cool :) 16:33 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B309C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:34 < knoti> rehi 16:34 < owl> wb knoti 16:34 < Mike1> owl: sorry for the bombing, i just don't have that much time for daily commits anymore 16:34 < owl> Mike1: how comes? 16:35 < Mike1> owl: many projects and contracts 16:36 < Mike1> ok one more patch and i'm finished 16:36 < owl> Mike1: k. contracts? still at informatica? 16:37 < Mike1> owl: no, /me doing contreacts and working on his own now 16:37 < owl> O_o 16:38 < Mike1> owl: all i gret from informatica is conectivity, they are now my customers for consulting 16:38 < rxr> i _hate_ rock 1.3.x ... 16:38 < owl> Mike1: ok 16:38 < owl> rxr: huh? why? 16:39 < rxr> because some vitat tools are in /usr/sbin when they belong into /sbin 16:40 < rxr> the init script reboots the machine in the case of an fs failure instead of offering a maintenance shell ... 16:40 < Mike1> ok last mail sent, patch mail bomb finished. 16:40 < rxr> ... ... 16:40 < rxr> I guess my night consists of applying patches from the last 5 days ... 16:41 < owl> have fun, rxr 16:41 < Mike1> rxr: i guess, sorry i couldn't sent patches to you before, i was so busy, and i wanted my generic to finished to make sure everything was fine. 16:43 < rxr> wll now I see the third OpenFirmware variant and all are strange 16:43 < rxr> I now used Apple NewWorld, SPARC (Ultra5) and IBM RS/6000 ... 16:46 < rxr> all are "not that useable" and/or user firendly ... 16:57 < jsaw> gnome2 update btw: https://www.gnomedesktop.org/article.php?sid=1213 16:57 < blindcoder> hi hi 16:58 < owl> wb blindcoder 16:58 < rxr> does s.o. here know how to overwrite the mac address of a network card under linux ? 16:58 < tcr> it can be done via ifconfig 16:59 < rxr> tcr: have not found the options ... 16:59 < tcr> uhm, don't ask me for the exact option, I just know it can be done, because I've seen it 16:59 < tcr> Wasn't ifconfig replaced by ip anyway? 17:00 < tcr> or some differently-named tool 17:02 < jsaw> should be "ifconfig hw <max>" 17:02 < jsaw> s/max/mac/ 17:03 < rxr> tcr: yes - but this is an old 1.3 system 17:04 < rxr> it has ip - but well all this is outdated "crap" ... 17:04 < rxr> argh 17:04 < rxr> the iproute2 stuff has no man-pages !!!!!! 17:05 < tcr> rxr: There's a howto 17:05 < rxr> a missing man-page is a bug <dot> 17:09 -!- kaerF [freak@p508B15BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:09 < jsaw> cu l8r 17:12 -!- Freak [freak@p508B1FA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:13 -!- schuelerhasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:13 < owl> O_o .oO(the nick is becoming strange, more strange, even more strange) 17:14 -!- schueler [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:15 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:21 -!- kaerF [freak@p508B15BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:24 < rolla> == 10:26:52 =[5]=> Building rene/vim [6.2 2.0.0-rc1]. 17:30 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B2361.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:34 < Freak> owl: wow that was a long goodbye ;) 17:34 < Freak> when did she come back? 17:35 < tcr> She's stronger than ever before! And less whiny, as I had to realize 17:35 < owl> Freak: i just want to but the devs with patches and so :p 17:36 < Freak> haha 17:36 < owl> Freak: why do you laugh? 17:36 < Freak> https://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/look/fight.txt 17:36 < Freak> @ tcr 17:37 < owl> ./ignore Freak 17:37 < Freak> not to mention 17:37 < Freak> https://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/look/cunt.txt 17:37 < Freak> which is a symlink actually.. so.. 17:37 < tcr> You're getting risky ;) 17:37 < Freak> nah 17:37 < knoti> could someone please write a manpage about proximities? 17:39 < Freak> why do these marktforschungsguys always call me?! 17:39 < Freak> "marktforschung". 17:39 < Freak> "phonespam" rather. 17:39 -!- schuelerhasi [~blubb0r@p50833094.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:40 < tcr> why? what do those market researchers ask you about? 17:40 < Freak> I dont know 17:40 < Freak> something about radio und fernsehen 17:40 < Freak> but then I keep telling them I was not interested 17:41 < tcr> And they insist nontheless? 17:41 < tcr> Until you beat them violentaly? 17:41 < Freak> ack 17:41 < Freak> hehe 17:41 < knoti> Freak: maybe they are gay and like you *g* 17:41 < Freak> yea. gay women. 17:41 < Freak> like *me*. 17:41 < Freak> right. 17:42 < tcr> wo-men 17:42 < Freak> you all suck dick! 17:42 < Freak> heh 17:42 < Mike1> Freak: pardon?! 17:42 < tcr> Well, but only yours! 17:42 < knoti> Freak: If those are women calling you, you could answer: "I don't care about your product, but could you give me your telephone number?" 17:43 < Freak> knoti: whee .. great strategy ;) 17:43 < Freak> Mike1: n/m ;) 17:47 < owl> <-- leaving office. bbl 17:53 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:53 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:02 < fake> hrmpf 18:02 < fake> bluez-utils is not using sysconfdir, but prefix/etc/bluetooth 18:03 < fake> which results in /usr/etc/bluetooth 18:06 < SMP> nasty 18:11 < rxr> hi SMP 18:12 < rxr> fake: patch it ;-)# 18:17 < fake> i'm at it 18:17 < fake> patch has already gone upstream ;) 18:17 * rolla thinks building firebird is painful 18:17 < fake> ARGHL 18:19 < fake> the automake is broken too. wee. 18:19 < fake> automake stuff, i mean 18:20 < rxr> argh - floppies suck so much ... 18:20 < knoti> rxr: *g* 18:20 < rxr> oO 18:21 < SMP> rxr: the funny thing is, they didn't suck so much until about 7 years ago 18:21 < rxr> not only my old disk produce CRC errors - also the official disk Clifford left in the RS6000 18:21 < rxr> maybe the floppy in the box is damaged .... 18:21 < rxr> SMP: they always sucked for me - always procuded data loss ... 18:22 < rolla> yup 18:23 < rxr> ah - now I found a disk that finished a readout completely ... 18:23 < rxr> so cliffs disk is defect, too ... 18:23 < rxr> and (hopefully) not the drive ... 18:26 < rxr> oh! and it survived a fdformat ;-) 18:26 * fake off home 18:26 < fake> rxr: please wait with the bluez addition until i send that patch later 18:26 < Mike1> rxr: alright will add the *TESTED* thing to all future patches, for ur reference now, all patches i sent today are *TESTED* 18:26 < rxr> fake: I think I'll merge it when I iterate over the mails ... 18:26 < rxr> Mike1: ok 18:27 < rxr> fake: otherwise I might lose some patches if I start applying in random order ... 18:28 < fake> rxr: ok 18:28 < fake> should be ready (the patch) but have to leave now 18:28 < fake> bye 18:28 < rxr> fake: cu 18:28 < Aard> gud morning.. ;) 18:29 < rxr> moin Aard 18:30 < Mike1> hello Aard! have you got any pics of LT for us? 18:30 < Aard> Mike1: I don't have a digicam, sorry. currently no money to buy one. next year 18:31 < Mike1> Aard: ok :) 18:41 < mnemoc> re :) 18:45 < rxr> hi mnemoc 18:45 < mnemoc> hi rxr 18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i need ur help with autoconf... can you? =) pleeeeease 18:47 < Mike1> hehe mnemoc begging... pense que no viviria para verlo :P 18:47 < Mike1> hi mnemoc :) 18:50 < mnemoc> :) 18:51 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B309C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:51 < mnemoc> i have no idea of m4 and this s.th is asking me to use m4_pattern_allow 19:00 -!- schuelerhasi [~blubb0r@p50833AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:00 -!- schuelerhasi is now known as schasi 19:04 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2D2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:21 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry busy ... 19:24 < mnemoc> ok 19:24 < mnemoc> don't worry 19:30 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, daja77, huebi_, knoti, praenti, christ|an, Freak, fake, blindcoder, schasi, (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: knoti, schasi, blindcoder, Freak, tcr, fake, huebi_, christ|an, netrunner, daja77 (+9 more) 19:36 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:12 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:15 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 < christ|an> well i have got a problem with using another WM. 20:21 < christ|an> i have restarted my rocklinux. 20:21 < christ|an> logged in with username and password and typed: 20:21 < christ|an> $ startx twm 20:21 < christ|an> i got a errormsg: 20:21 < christ|an> twm - unknowen command 20:22 < christ|an> no sorry - the error msg was: "bad line option "twm"" 20:22 < christ|an> is anyone able to help me with this problem? 20:23 < christ|an> i already searched in google 20:24 < rxr> sure 20:24 < christ|an> i hear :) 20:24 < rxr> there is no such options for startx ... 20:24 < rxr> christ|an: you use rock 1.7 or 2.0 ? 20:24 < christ|an> 20. 20:24 < christ|an> 2.0 20:24 < christ|an> sorry 20:25 < rxr> try WINDOWMANAGER=twm startx 20:25 < rxr> or export it before ... 20:25 < christ|an> well - let me try this first please 20:25 < christ|an> :) 20:25 < rxr> you could also write the single line containing twm in your ~/.xinitrc 20:26 < rxr> in the 2.0.0-rc1 you will be able to select it in STONE ... 20:26 < rxr> (it is already in SVN) 20:26 < christ|an> well i have made this: 20:26 < christ|an> $ WINDOWMANAGER=twm startx -- :1 20:26 < christ|an> this was oky :) 20:26 < rxr> jups 20:26 < christ|an> tanks for helping :) 20:27 < rxr> I'm also writing a ROCK Linux handbook (already got > 60 pages) explaining such things in-depth ... 20:27 < rxr> btw: the default WM is set in /etc/profile.d/windowmanager 20:27 < christ|an> thank you very much 20:27 < christ|an> can i view this handbook? 20:27 < rxr> no problem ;-) 20:28 < rxr> christ|an: I'll put version 0.0.1 of it online in some hours ... 20:28 < tcr> rxr: Uh. I imagined that handbook to become something totally different 20:28 < rxr> if you stay here or subscript the list you will hear of it 20:28 < rxr> tcr: the handbook is a user, admin and developer guide 20:28 < christ|an> i will subscript 20:29 < rxr> tcr: it will cover all aready in-depth 20:29 < christ|an> well - at first i will restart and then i will sai you my mailaddy :) 20:29 < rxr> tcr: like e.g. the FreeBSD handbook ... 20:29 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:30 < rolla> rxr have your tried firebird mozilla? 20:31 < rxr> nope - but I added the GNOME ep* browser lately ... 20:31 < rolla> :) 20:31 < rolla> I am working on testing it for rock build 20:32 < rxr> cool - freshly build 2.4.21 running in the IBM RS/6000 ... 20:33 < rxr> rolla: nice 20:33 < rolla> if I can get it to work right I will send it on 20:34 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:34 < christ|an> re 20:34 < rxr> cool the two network ports work now ;-) 20:34 < christ|an> so now a i have blackbox :) 20:37 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 20:37 < knoti> blackbox? I would recommend ion. 20:37 < tcr> Hah, so you decided, knoti? 20:38 -!- netrunne1 [~netrunner@p50802B99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 < fake> aaah. 20:39 < fake> rxr: patch is sent. if you apply them in incoming order, they will work. 20:39 < rxr> fake: ok 20:40 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:41 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p508024FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:42 < knoti> tcr: I decided. I use ion now for more than three quarters of a year and I'm still satisfied and will never change :) 20:42 < knoti> tcr: Ion is the best WM around. 20:43 < tcr> knoti: Uh, I seem to confuse you with someone else, who asked me for a wm that's entirely controllable via keyboard. And I suggest him to try ratpoison as well as ion, to decide himself what suits better to him 20:43 < tcr> knoti: nak. I like ratpoison most 20:43 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 < christ|an> re 20:44 < knoti> tcr: taste. I don't like ratpoison, because there are no "headlines" 20:44 < knoti> tcr: "headlines" window title bar . 20:44 < tcr> yeah got what you mean 20:45 < knoti> Can someone explain why rot E = 0 for a stationary case ? 20:46 < tcr> Omg, what're ya studying? 20:46 * fake away again, bye 20:47 < knoti> physic 20:47 < rxr> cu fake 20:51 < owl> rehi 20:51 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:52 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:54 < christ|an> re 20:54 < owl> hi christ|an 20:55 < christ|an> hi owl 21:09 < rolla> grrr 21:09 < owl> hi grrr 21:09 < owl> how are you? 21:09 < rolla> crappy 21:09 < rolla> I hate sh scripts 21:09 < owl> why? 21:09 < rolla> I am buildin firebird 21:09 < owl> *ggg* 21:10 < rolla> but the script I have has some mismatched " 21:10 < owl> no further questions. now i can understand the "grrr" 21:11 < rolla> cat > .mozconfig <<EOF 21:11 < rolla> something is wrong with that line 21:15 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 21:15 < owl> hi blindcoder 21:18 < esden> re hi all 21:19 < blindcoder> esden: wb :) 21:19 < owl> hi esden 21:32 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E26E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:32 < jsaw> re 21:32 < jsaw> hi all 21:33 < christ|an> hi jsaw 21:33 < blindcoder> wtf? 21:33 < jsaw> hi christ|an 21:34 < blindcoder> my mutt is in D State... 21:34 < jsaw> hi blindcoder , s*t happens 21:34 < owl> D ? 21:34 < jsaw> D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) 21:35 < tcr> ain't D defunct? 21:35 < tcr> ah that's Z, silly me 21:35 < jsaw> Zombie 21:35 * tcr runs downstairs getting coffee, sorry guys 21:36 < knoti> getting coffee, that's a good idea 21:36 < blindcoder> it's fucking trying to send a mail to rocklinux mailinglist... 21:36 < jsaw> hehe 21:36 < blindcoder> alright, will wait till tomorrow to see if it calms down... 21:36 < blindcoder> good night everyone! 21:36 < esden> blindcoder: ???? 21:37 < tcr> gn8 bc 21:37 < esden> what is going on? 21:37 * jsaw also has fun with segfaulting compilations... 21:45 * tcr doesn't. He's still in struggle with that pci2usb card and windoze 21:45 < jsaw> what win version, btw? 21:46 < tcr> well, the one that can be called good to some extend, 98se 21:46 * rolla loves his athlon 21:47 < jsaw> tcr: is 98 fit enough for shared interupts, or was the 95 that had problems with it? 21:47 < rxr> win98 good ? 21:48 < tcr> jsaw: Well, I guess so. It at least doesn't report any conflicts, though that doesnt have to mean much (it's windoze, you know ;)) 21:48 < owl> hehehehehehe. guess rxr is shocked now, eh? ;) 21:48 < jsaw> tcr: 4-in-1 updated? 21:48 < rxr> when I would need to use windshit for anything I would only çonsider using a NT based one - but thanks to heaved that I had no need to choose such a thing for my own projects in the past six years or so ... 21:49 < tcr> tcr: Uh? 21:49 < owl> s/tcr/rxr 21:49 < jsaw> tcr: the Via 4-in-1 drivers, very recommended for via boards IMO! 21:50 < jsaw> s%s/tcr/rxr%s/tcr/jsaw% 21:50 < jsaw> ? 21:50 < tcr> jsaw: Uh, I used the driver from via's website 21:51 < jsaw> tcr: hmmm... 21:52 < tcr> jsaw: Well, see... I tend most to the assumption that my motherboard is just too old (the firmware, that's it). Anyway, I contacted the technical support. I mean it's both a via thingy, that card and the motherboard, so they should know best 21:55 < knoti> Does someone know where to get the draft for the european patentability act ? 21:56 < tcr> ffii.org 21:56 < Aard> re. 21:57 < tcr> moin Aard 21:57 < knoti> moin Aard 21:58 < Mike1> re 22:05 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M284P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:07 < rolla> re Mike1 22:08 < knoti> hmm, bei der ffii.org bekomme ich auch nur eine Inhaltsangabe, ich will den Originaltext :( 22:08 < knoti> und mein Kaffee ist auch schon wieder alle :(( 22:08 < knoti> tcr: ? 22:09 < knoti> tcr: Hast Du vielleicht einen Link zum Originaltext zur Hand? 22:09 < n00kie> Hola :) 22:10 < knoti> re n00kie 22:10 < tcr> knoti: Uh, nope. Hoped it would be linked from ffii... Already searched with google? 22:10 < knoti> tcr: nope 22:11 < n00kie> re knoti 22:11 < rolla> yawn 22:15 < tcr> knoti: Just asked a friend of mine, who's more versed into that kind of subject, and he said that "the EU tends to not disclose the US/WTO/WIPO whoring acts" 22:15 < knoti> That's a big problem! 22:15 < tcr> Why? Doesn't the summary suffice? 22:15 < knoti> I don't feel like living in a democracy. 22:16 < tcr> Oh well 22:16 < knoti> tcr: How can you be sure about a summary. 22:16 < knoti> tcr: It would be like reading an manual instead of the source code :( 22:19 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm131.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 22:20 < cchamilt> Hi 22:20 < Mike1> cchamilt: !!!! 22:21 < Mike1> hi! 22:21 < tcr> knoti: Oh well. WIPO crap stays crap. 22:21 < tcr> hey cchamilt. 22:21 < cchamilt> hi tcr 22:22 < cchamilt> I will no longer be associated with Techworx it appears. 22:22 < Mike1> 0_o 22:23 < rxr> cchamilt: Why? And which of your companies was this? 22:23 < jsaw> https://www.europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/intprop/docs/index.htm 22:23 < cchamilt> The one with Sun partnership and Ingram Micro channel. 22:24 < cchamilt> Or at least for now... 22:24 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 22:24 < cchamilt> They aren't getting any of my software, which is what they promissed Sun, etc. so I can only wonder what they will do. 22:25 < rxr> cchamilt: I do not understant. Do you mean "you have not delivered the software ..." ? 22:25 < cchamilt> They have contracts with Sun to develop it... 22:25 < cchamilt> I am pulling it back. 22:26 < Mike1> cchamilt: si it possible to tell what happened? 22:26 < Mike1> i'm now quite confused 22:26 < cchamilt> Simple. Nothing happened. 22:26 < cchamilt> No negotiation, no balls to even meet my on it. 22:26 < tcr> Congrats cchamilt. I think you're better off this way 22:27 * tcr hopes he used the right prepositional expression 22:27 < cchamilt> So they never paid and the software is still mine until I slap a gpl on it. 22:27 < Mike1> mmm.. 22:27 < cchamilt> Well I guess it will still be mine then too. 22:27 < rolla> damn 22:27 < Mike1> cchamilt: great, so it means they won't paying either you or me. 22:28 < Mike1> won't be* 22:28 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@p50833AE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("tschaule") 22:28 < cchamilt> Anyway, need to see how to commercialize and bring in people to work on it. 22:29 < cchamilt> I have no idea if they will pay us for what has been done. 22:29 < cchamilt> I doubt it. 22:29 < cchamilt> I promissed tll that whether they pay me or not I will take care of their support. 22:30 < cchamilt> So at least tll wont be suing techworx yet... 22:30 < Mike1> i see 22:31 < cchamilt> I just want a real test customer anyway. 22:31 * Mike1 starting to piss off at techworx... 22:31 < n00kie> Hey Mike1 :) 22:32 < Mike1> hi n00kie 22:32 < cchamilt> Anyway, need to discuss how this will effect all people that were interested. 22:32 < cchamilt> The short answer is plan B that we had. 22:33 < n00kie> How are you, Miguel? :) 22:33 < Mike1> n00kie: not very good in this moment thanks, and you ? 22:33 < n00kie> Fine, thanks 22:33 < n00kie> Why not good? 22:33 < Mike1> cchamilt: sounds fine. 22:33 < cchamilt> I would still like a nonprofit structure if many people want to help. 22:33 < Mike1> n00kie: scroolback 22:33 < n00kie> ok 22:34 < cchamilt> If it is going to be only five or so, then we may keep it a normal company for now. 22:34 * Mike1 is glad to have started the linuxlabs contract 22:34 < cchamilt> :) 22:34 < Mike1> cchamilt: yes i'm doing a new project for them so that will help me enough if techworx don't pay me 22:35 < Mike1> cchamilt: reagrding the company atm we are only 5 interested 22:35 < cchamilt> Anyway, I will be sending out a road map for anyone interested in contributing. 22:35 < Mike1> and even esden is not quite decided to join in as an "investment partner" 22:35 < cchamilt> Yes, but I want to open it up to whoever can and wants to help. 22:35 < Mike1> cchamilt: to rlml? 22:35 < cchamilt> maybe 22:36 < Mike1> or who will you send the roadmap to? 22:36 < cchamilt> It is got to be profitable early, so we must be geared to ship soon. 22:37 < cchamilt> That will make it had to gauge effort, etc. as most of it was done before investment. 22:37 < cchamilt> I will probably just post the roadmap and send urls. 22:38 < cchamilt> It isn't rock specific, that is just people I know... 22:38 < Mike1> cchamilt: is this really the best place to discuss this matters? 22:38 < cchamilt> Not sure where that would be, but no I dont think it is the best place. 22:39 < Mike1> see query 22:39 < cchamilt> Very few even have seen 'Intouch' 22:39 < Mike1> cchamilt: not much know about it 22:40 < cchamilt> Probably less than 20 people in the world... 22:41 < cchamilt> Anyway, I stillthink it is good. 22:41 < cchamilt> Oh btw, cant call it intouch. 22:45 < rxr> hm ? 22:46 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 22:46 < cchamilt> Intouch is Techworx's name and the theme will change for it just to be safe. 22:46 < Mike1> the theme is ugly anyways 22:47 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:47 < n00kie> wee 22:47 < n00kie> linux 2.6-test1 22:47 < n00kie> :) 22:48 -!- Scandium [~scandium@p50808AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:48 < Scandium> hi 22:48 < christ|an> re 22:49 < rxr> hi christ|an 22:49 < n00kie> wb christ|an 22:49 < n00kie> hola rxr 22:49 < christ|an> umfragemodul kommt vielleicht morgen früh gegen 10 uhr :) 22:49 < christ|an> ups 22:49 < christ|an> falscher channel *g 22:50 < christ|an> wrong channel sorry 22:54 < rxr> christ|an: you waited for the handbook ? 22:55 < christ|an> yes 22:55 < christ|an> :) 22:55 < christ|an> i will print it out immediately to read it :) 22:55 < christ|an> WHERE IS IT? :) come on :) 22:56 < rxr> it is version 0.0.1 and just a plain dump of my current work ... 22:56 < rxr> are you sure you wanna print it ? 22:56 < christ|an> yes - why not 22:57 < rxr> ah ok 22:57 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-handbook/ 22:57 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAABAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 22:57 < rxr> read the mail on the list which will be send in some minutes ... 22:57 < christ|an> hmmm i havend subscribed the mailinglist 22:58 < rxr> btw 60 pages so far ... 22:58 -!- kuli [~kuli@dialin-145-254-175-233.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:58 < rxr> ok - post the address I will cc you .. 22:59 < christ|an> tux@linuxdev.de 23:00 < rxr> ok 23:00 < christ|an> thx :) 23:03 -!- kuli [~kuli@dialin-145-254-175-233.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux () 23:05 < rxr> sent 23:06 < christ|an> look query :) 23:06 < rxr> jups - just typed into it ... 23:06 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:08 < Scandium> rxr: seems like I joined the channel the right time, that document reads quite good although it's the first revision ;) would you guys mind if I idle here from time to time ? I am currently a developer of the Gentoo Linux distribution and I have quietly been following the rocklinux effort for some time now and some ideas are really impressing me which made me interested in the rocklinux effort ;) 23:09 < rxr> Scandium: you read it this quickly ? Or did you performed a svn checkout ? 23:09 < rxr> Scandium: sure stay arround here ;-) no problem ... 23:10 < rxr> so the RS6000 is compiling 2.0 HEAD just fine - I think it is time to go thru the tons of waiting patches on the llist ... 23:10 < Scandium> rxr: I downloaded it and I am at page 16 (didn't read it word-by-word [yet]) but from what I read yet it's a nice document ;) 23:11 < christ|an> night 23:11 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD9530EE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 23:18 < rxr> I guess when gentoo people start reading the handbook I need to write quickly so version 0.0.2 is much more sorted and on the track I want it to be ... 23:19 < rxr> oh - I just noticed the ROCK Linux build dir on my iBook is still named rock-1.7 *lol* 23:19 < Scandium> take your time...quality is one reason why I am looking for alternatives ;-) [oops, I didn't say that ;)] 23:22 < SMP> Gentoo is obsolete, it can simply be implemented as another target in ROCK ;-> 23:23 < SMP> and I'll move scripts/Emerge a bit up on my TODO ;) 23:23 < rxr> SMP: it is in my TODO, too 23:23 < SMP> lol 23:23 < rxr> but I call it Auto-Build or so ... 23:23 < rxr> or Dep-Build ... ? 23:23 < SMP> you mean a cache file parser and dependency resolver? 23:23 < SMP> no, let's call it Emerge 23:23 < SMP> seriously 23:24 < rxr> SMP: jups + downloading ... 23:24 < daja77> re 23:24 < rxr> but the -dep is optional and off by default ... 23:24 < rxr> re daja77 23:24 < rxr> SMP: just for the joke ? 23:24 < SMP> rxr: would be a damn cool one 23:25 < rxr> SMP: I corrected the Gento with ROCK comparison in the guide (not the handbook) and added some more lines 23:25 < rxr> maybe you have some more ideas for the table, too ? 23:25 < SMP> I don't know either version :) 23:25 < n00kie> lol SMP 23:26 < rxr> SMP: the guide is obsolete - and the handbook version 0.0.1 fot just released ... 23:26 < rxr> \begin{tabular}[t]{|l|l|} 23:26 < rxr> \hline 23:26 < rxr> \rock\ & Gentoo \\ 23:26 < rxr> \hline 23:26 < rxr> Bash based & Python based \\ 23:26 < rxr> chroot build & chroot build \\ 23:26 < rxr> \rock\ 'Bash' based package system & 'Makefile' based package system \\ 23:27 < rxr> developer oriented & end-user oriented \\ 23:27 < rxr> automated package build & each package needs a full ebuild script \\ 23:27 < rxr> autodetected dependencies & hardcoded dependencies \\ 23:27 < rxr> installable build output & rebuild on each system \\ 23:27 < rxr> cluster build & na \\ 23:27 < rxr> targets can perform custom builds & na \\ 23:27 < rxr> \hline 23:27 < rxr> \end{tabular} 23:27 < daja77> *argl* 23:28 < SMP> rxr: looks good, I don't know Gentoo well enough to comment further. maybe Scandium has any ideas .. 23:28 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M284P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 23:29 < rxr> daja77: sorry - I do not wanted to forve people do download the full pdf to take a look ... 23:30 < daja77> hmm why can't we download tex file? 23:32 < rxr> daja77: you can - just point your browser to the SVN repo ... 23:32 < daja77> 2ok 23:32 < daja77> atm I don't wanna :) 23:33 < rxr> and I just wanted to quote the lines ... 23:33 < daja77> it is more fun if we flood the chan together ;-) 23:34 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.209.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:34 < cytrinox> hi 23:35 < daja77> cool sven guckes dropped me a photo 23:35 < daja77> https://ihsan.dogan.ch/symlink/LinuxTag-2k3/Donnerstag/1dsc00042.jpg 23:36 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157009011.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 23:40 < daja77> my generic build completed 23:40 < daja77> 849 builds total, 831 completed fine, 18 with errors. 23:41 < cytrinox> can i speak german here? :) 23:41 < rxr> cytrinox: if it is very important to do so ... 23:42 < rxr> daja77: looks good - if you could fix some of the errors that would be perfect ... 23:42 * rxr starting applying patches from the list ... 23:42 < daja77> hehe, btw you said you fixed kdemultimedia but it is still borken here 23:43 < daja77> I'll look at the error details later 23:43 < daja77> <- tired 23:43 < cytrinox> daja77: auf dem foto, der in der mitte, wie hie? der? hab seinen namen vergessen :( 23:43 < daja77> you mean clifford? 23:44 < cytrinox> yes :) 23:44 < daja77> philipp, clifford and me ... 23:45 < rxr> daja77: coudl you post the tail -n 30 of the kdemultimedia build into a query ? 23:45 < daja77> yepp 23:45 < cytrinox> is was on his laptop on sunday :) you remember? 23:47 < daja77> you are one of the two boys whom we helped with rock install? 23:48 < Mike1> hi daja77 23:48 < cytrinox> yes :) 23:48 < daja77> hi Mike1 23:48 < daja77> ic 23:48 < Mike1> daja77: you are quite popular since LT for what i heard 23:48 < Mike1> :) 23:49 < daja77> hmmm ... hope I don't need security people now *ggg* 23:49 < Mike1> daja77: too late 23:49 < daja77> damn 23:49 * Mike1 points daja77with his water pistol 23:50 < Mike1> daja77: make ur last wish 23:50 < daja77> I wanna hit Mike1 with a baseball bat ... 23:50 < rxr> Mike1: we had far too less people at the booth - and to less posters or so on the walls .. 23:50 < rxr> we need to work on thie for next year ... 23:50 < daja77> too less, you mean none at all ... 23:51 < Mike1> rxr: business is moving, so i spect good results, i will sponsor some 4 for getting more pr stuff 23:51 < Aard> daja77: nah, one `LinuxTag'-poster was there 23:51 < Mike1> rxr: hopefully i will be present as well 23:51 < daja77> but we haven't 40kg of t-shirts over like the debian guys ... 23:52 < daja77> Aard: no rock related poster, + the lt poster was only there some hours 23:52 < daja77> btw have you tried it? 23:53 < Aard> daja77: I had no time. had to go to a custumoer after training at 18:00 :( 23:54 < daja77> d'oh 23:54 < Mike1> daja77: btw where are my pics? 23:54 < daja77> I haven't made any, ask fake and rxr 23:55 < Aard> daja77: I have a p233 next to me, waiting until I have some time... 23:56 < daja77> 2ok :) 23:58 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 23:59 * daja77 hits himself with a cluestick --- Log closed Tue Jul 15 00:00:54 2003