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--- Log opened Mon Jul 21 00:00:41 2003 --- Day changed Mon Jul 21 2003 00:00 < LocalHero> rxr, what about the "info" file thing. Should we drop that? 00:01 < rxr> nope I can add it to each release dir - you just define the tag format - and I'll fill it for each dir ... 00:02 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M318P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Connection timed out) 00:03 < LocalHero> rxr, oki, sound nice. I wrote a mail some weeks ago. What did you think about those tags? Do we need more or should we skip some? 00:04 < rxr> LocalHero: puh - I do not really remeber what was in it ... 00:04 < LocalHero> rxr, the new box will have lightning speed compared to the old one. I got a intel celeron 300 oc to 450 with 192 of memory :) 00:05 < LocalHero> rxr, and the bx chipset will realy speed up disk io compared to the other one 00:05 < rxr> but it just comes to mind that we need a file per file-set - not per directory 00:05 < LocalHero> rxr, oki, why, isnt one dir a release with several isos? 00:05 < rxr> like the desktop dir will have drock-$ver-ppx.* and drock-$ver-x86.* ... 00:06 < rxr> LocalHero: to group them 00:06 < rxr> we will have 2.0.0-rc1 as dir 00:06 < rxr> and it in minimal router generic desktop ... 00:07 < rxr> as dir - and in each of them a file-set for each architecture we build for ... (currently x86 and ppc for some - and soon sparcm, too) 00:07 < SMP> ahhh rxr 00:07 < rxr> ideally we could also have alpha, ia64 as well as x86_64 00:07 < LocalHero> rxr, hmm, oki, but if i scan for lets say files that starts with info_whatever.txt you could add several of those files with whatever name you like 00:08 < SMP> who worked on x86_64? 00:08 < LocalHero> like this info_ppc.txt 00:08 < rxr> SMP: clifford just added some strings - but not real work yet ... 00:08 < rxr> SMP: do you have hardware ? 00:08 < LocalHero> rxr, and in that file we keep the information about what files it contain... 00:08 < rxr> LocalHero: then let's name the files *.info 00:08 * SMP hopes to get an Athlon64 in autumn 00:08 < LocalHero> rxr, i will write an RFC for it :) 00:08 < LocalHero> rxr,, oki :) 00:08 < rxr> then I can name them with the same prefix 00:08 < rxr> as the file-set 00:09 < LocalHero> rxr, oki. Sounds great 00:09 < rxr> SMP: I already spoke with AMD some times - no sponsoring yet 00:09 < LocalHero> rxr, but i will check it out tomorrow and we will speak and fix the details then :).. Im to tiered now :).. And my girlfriend wants some attention to :) 00:10 < rxr> but I still have a new open mail address from the LinuxTag talk with them 00:10 < rxr> LocalHero: greating and much fun! 00:10 < rxr> I need to go to bed, too 00:10 < SMP> wait a second! ;) 00:10 < rxr> and I got a big bunch of 2.0 TODO during the tea-meating ... 00:11 < rxr> SMP: sure some minutes are ok ... 00:11 < SMP> do you remember why the guppi package was never accepted? 00:11 < LocalHero> oki, night 00:11 < LocalHero> cya 00:11 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit () 00:12 < rxr> SMP: isn't that some GNOME diagram drawing package ? 00:12 < SMP> yep 00:12 < SMP> I have one in my package/gnome14/ right now ... 00:12 < rxr> I think we once had it - but it got removed because either uneeded or borken ... 00:13 < SMP> well, gnucash needs it 00:13 < rxr> if you need it for s.th. (gnumeric?) - and it compiles send it over ;-) 00:13 < SMP> ok, and can we mv package/gnome2/libghttp10 package/gnome14 ? 00:13 < SMP> it's really a gnome1 pacakge 00:14 < SMP> the only package that needs it is your anjuta 00:15 < SMP> which is also a gnome1 package AFAICS 00:16 < SMP> (gnucash needs it, too, but it needs hacking if it's not in /opt/gnome) 00:17 < rxr> SMP: ok - both done 00:18 < SMP> cool, I'll test anjuta against it (the latest 5-anjuta.log doesn't even mention ghttp ...) 00:19 < SMP> and send the diff for package/gnome14/guppi 00:19 < rxr> SMP: ok 00:19 < rxr> I'm off to bed 00:19 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:19 < jsaw> re 00:19 < rxr> hi jsaw 00:19 < jsaw> hi rxr. 00:20 < SMP> n8 rxr 00:20 < rxr> cool - I have a rockplug bug I can pass over to you ;-)! 00:20 < rxr> *freu* 00:20 < rxr> it is for version 0.0.3 - but I guess the usb module mapping code has not changed much ? 00:20 < jsaw> nope 00:21 < rxr> the usb device: 00:21 < rxr> DEVICE="/proc/bus/usb/001/002" PRODUCT="5cc/2265/101" TYPE="2/0/0" INTERFACE="255/255/255" 00:21 < jsaw> go on here... 00:21 < rxr> should be associated with the acm driver 00:21 < rxr> it is with hwscan - but rockplug does not match this 00:21 < jsaw> wait, scanning... 00:22 < rxr> the usb.map only contains one line for the acm driver 00:22 < rxr> which is not the same product or vender - it must be matched using the class type whatever ... 00:22 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.232.17.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:26 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@D0269.pppool.de] has quit ("Committed Suicide.") 00:26 < rxr> jsaw: I wanna leave for bed - that is all info I gather when I was over to friends some hours ago .... 00:26 < jsaw> rxr: other question: coding style? 00:26 < rxr> jsaw: what do you mean exactly 00:26 < rxr> ROCK Linux standard 00:27 < rxr> not too long lines .... (I already indented some weeks ago ..) 00:27 < jsaw> K. Gonna look out for that. 00:27 < rxr> jsaw: what aspeect of coding style do you mean? 00:28 < jsaw> rxr: I meant indentation. tabs, or? 00:29 < rxr> as in ROCK - normally tabs - if you have too many "scopes" two spaces are also ok to not fill the 80 col that quickly ... 00:29 < rxr> jsaw: are you going to finalize the latest rework in the next days ? 00:29 < jsaw> rxr: so, I'd prefer 2 space, there are a lot of lines which are not easy to break. 00:29 < jsaw> rxr: I'll try to finish tonight. 00:31 < rxr> jsaw: then use two spaces for the matching functions - and/or for all ... 00:31 < rxr> jsaw: that would be nice - I wanna have the final rock plug style finished mid next week + network working ... 00:31 < rxr> but now I need sleep 00:31 < rxr> cu all 00:31 < jsaw> cu rxr. 00:36 < SMP> W T F 00:39 < jsaw> ? 00:44 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:53 * A-Tui is away: si el amor es posesión, yo soy capitán de un globo, es mejor la soledad q no andar haciendo el bobo 01:03 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 01:07 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A97C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:13 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090AD01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:46 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:48 -!- Freak [~freak@193.156.250.2] has quit ("Client exciting") 03:59 -!- d3mian [~demian@196.40.64.213] has joined #rocklinux 04:04 < d3mian> hi 04:08 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:17 -!- fake [~fake@pD950E86F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:34 < knoti> .hi 04:38 < d3mian> cy 04:38 < d3mian> https://hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/finca/ 04:38 -!- d3mian [~demian@196.40.64.213] has left #rocklinux () 05:13 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DAB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:18 < rolla> re 05:26 < mnemoc> hi rolla 05:34 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Operation timed out) 06:09 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:10 -!- tfing_ [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 06:41 < mistik1> anyone alive? 06:42 < SMP> sure 06:45 < mnemoc> why not? ;) 06:45 < mistik1> heh 06:46 < mistik1> I have my little test box built and booted however it looks like I need to do the build on this box then transfer it to the new one 06:46 < mistik1> am I correct in this? 06:47 < SMP> I have not idea what test box and new box are and what you want to achieve 06:47 < SMP> s,not,no, d'oh 06:50 < mistik1> the test box has nothing on the hard disk 06:50 < mistik1> this is a running linux machine 06:52 < SMP> I still don't get it, but that could just be my fault due to ENOSLEEP 06:54 < mistik1> let me try another route 06:54 < mistik1> How do I get started now that I have a machine ready for it 06:55 < SMP> what is 'it'? 07:01 < mnemoc> do you want to install rock in your empty box? 07:02 < mnemoc> you need to install it a linux with devfs... e.g. rocklinux-minimal 07:02 < mnemoc> from iso 07:05 < mnemoc> but it can be redhat, debian, any linux you can install.. of course the shortest path to rock is rock. 07:05 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm131.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 07:24 < blindcoder> moin 07:27 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD95302B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:37 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 08:02 -!- tfing_ [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:02 -!- tfing_ [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 08:13 < daja77> moin 08:16 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p508011B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:16 < blindcod1r> NO, that was a manual reconnect!! 08:16 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p508011B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: blindcod1r!blindcoder@p508011B4.dip.t-dialin.net))) 08:16 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 08:18 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, jsaw, daja77, rolla, netrunner, christ|an, cchamilt, tfing_, rxr, Aard, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 08:18 -!- tfing__ [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 08:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: christ|an, cchamilt, jsaw, daja77, rolla, owl, mnemoc, rxr, Aard, netrunner 08:41 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, jsaw, netrunner, daja77, rolla, tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, rxr, Aard, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 08:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, jsaw, netrunner, daja77, rolla, owl, mnemoc, rxr (+1 more) 08:55 < rxr> re 08:58 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M288P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:04 < blindcoder> moin rxr 09:05 < rxr> moin blindcoder 09:09 * blindcoder updating from 690 to HEAD... should have don' that long ago.. 09:15 < owl> *gnarf* 09:15 < owl> hi 09:16 < blindcoder> GUH-narf 09:16 < blindcoder> moin owly 09:16 < owl> hi blindy. 09:17 < owl> attention please. i'm in a mood i'm giving everybody poison or so 09:18 < blindcoder> oh, can't harm me today 09:18 < owl> why? 09:18 < blindcoder> Because on a scale of 1 to 100 where 100 is best my mood is between 85 and 90 09:19 < owl> omg. which drugs did you take? want some of those, too, please 09:19 < blindcoder> hmm... the drug is called "Brigitte" :-) 09:20 < daja77> hehe I have such a drug too ... 09:20 < owl> wah. bah. *puke* won't this drug 09:21 < blindcoder> well, not completely "mine" yet, but I'm working on it ^^ 09:21 < owl> daja77: hi . which one? 09:21 < owl> blindcoder: yeah... if this is something what makes you happy - well. good for you. 09:21 < blindcoder> owl, come on... don't puke into #rocklinux... who do you think will clean up this mess now, hm? 09:21 < daja77> blindcoder: yes you could describe it this way ;-) 09:21 < owl> blindcoder: you of course 09:21 < blindcoder> always me... 09:22 * blindcoder presses on a red button marked "Auto-Clean" and #rocklinux starts cleaning itself 09:22 < owl> tststs 09:22 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, daja77, rolla, owl, jsaw, tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, rxr, Aard, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, jsaw, netrunner, daja77, rolla, owl, mnemoc, rxr (+1 more) 09:23 < owl> daja77: ah. i c. so Freak and you are together now.... i c. 09:23 < daja77> nope :P 09:24 < daja77> anyway I'm off to meet her ... 09:24 < owl> aha. have fun 09:24 < daja77> thx 09:24 < rxr> hi daja77 and owl 09:24 < daja77> huhu rxr 09:25 < owl> hi rxr *waves* 09:27 < owl> yes, yes, yes! this o-reilly-book about fscking ado.net is great! i'm thanking my best friend for the not really leagal 188 mb of .pdfs he sent because my fscking company is not willed to investigate into books, but into managers. 09:28 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, daja77, rolla 09:28 < owl> *gnarf* not again! 09:28 -!- blindy [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: netrunner, rolla, daja77 09:28 < blindy> hmm... 09:28 < blindy> strange 09:29 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindy, owl, rxr, mnemoc 09:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindy, rxr, mnemoc, owl 09:30 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, Aard 09:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, jsaw, Aard 09:30 < blindy> well, http, ftp works fine 09:30 < blindy> ssh also works up to the point where the console should appear... 09:32 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, blindy, owl, netrunner, rolla, daja77, tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, Aard, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: netrunner, rolla, daja77, blindy, rxr, mnemoc, owl 09:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, jsaw, Aard 09:36 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, blindy, netrunner, rolla, daja77, rxr, mnemoc 09:38 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, tfing__, christ|an, cchamilt, Aard 09:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: owl, mnemoc, rxr, blindy, netrunner, rolla, daja77 09:40 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-16-37.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 -!- tfing__ [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD95302B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm131.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:50 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-077-156.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:50 < owl> real-time-clock? 09:50 < owl> hi rtc 09:50 < rtc> robert theodor chandler ;) 09:50 < rtc> hallo 09:50 < owl> *lol* a bit wrong, my guess... :p 09:50 < rtc> german speakers here? 09:51 < rtc> owl: ;) 09:51 < owl> yes. german. here. 09:51 < rtc> hab ne frage - hab drock 2.0.0-b6 mit den 3 binary-cds installiert 09:52 < n00kie> Congrats :) 09:52 < n00kie> Now you're a Rocker :) 09:52 < owl> rtc: please ask your question in english... 09:52 < DeElsasser> and Roller? 09:52 < rtc> bringt mir beim ersten boot mit kernel vmlinuz_2.4.21-rock die meldung: "cannot exec /bin/sh" - weil: die datei gibts nicht... ist das normal? 09:53 < owl> k.a. ob's bei der release normal ist... sollte aber nicht so sein 09:53 < rtc> ok, as is: at first boot with kernel vmlinuz_2.4.21-rock the error occurs: "cannot exec /bin/sh" - bacause the file isn't found - is this normal? 09:53 < rtc> crazy ;) 09:53 < n00kie> hmm 09:53 < owl> you don't get a login-prompt, do you? 09:53 < blindy> hmm 09:54 < rtc> have copied the sh and bash from debian and now it's running 09:54 < rtc> no, i dont 09:54 < owl> sure. /bin/sh is just a symlink to /bin/bash 09:54 < rtc> k 09:54 < owl> so... symlinking would have been easier :p 09:54 < rtc> no i get a maintenance login - why only maintenance? 09:54 < owl> ext2? 09:55 < rtc> owl: you're right of course ;) 09:55 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 09:55 < rtc> but there wasn't a /bin/bash too! 09:55 < blindy> rtc: maintenance console is only the name we gave to vc/1 09:55 < rtc> oh, ok thx 09:55 < blindy> no /bin/bash? that's... not good... 09:55 < rtc> i know 09:55 < blindy> are you on the machine right now? 09:55 < owl> rtc: did you select it, in the stone-menu...? 09:55 < rtc> have copied it from debian 09:56 < rtc> yes, i've selected all packages! 09:56 < blindy> rtc: are you logged into that machine right now? 09:56 < rtc> for the first time 09:56 < owl> strange... 09:56 < rtc> no, i'm not 09:56 < blindy> can you access it? 09:56 < rtc> not yet, have to go in 3 minutes, but i will come back 09:56 < blindy> and do: ls -l /var/adm/logs/*bash* 09:57 < blindy> oh, okay. 09:57 < rtc> at login there comes a error: "libpam*.so.o" - file not found 09:57 < rtc> have symlinked it 09:57 < rtc> and now i can log in 09:58 < owl> fsck... that's also not good 09:58 < rtc> but the problem with not found bash is strange, i think 09:58 < rxr> yes 09:58 < rxr> you installed desktop -beta6 ? 09:58 < rtc> yes, of course 09:58 < SMP> heh 09:58 < rxr> I need to check if the uploaded image has the same md5 as my local one here 09:58 < rtc> hm... 09:59 < rxr> I installed the -beta6 three times without problems and other people have also already complained about a missing bash ... 09:59 < rxr> needs an investigation ... 09:59 < rxr> hi SMP 09:59 < rtc> i think so 09:59 < blindy> hi SMP 09:59 < SMP> rxr: what's the std. way to handle a package with 2 srctar, where the 2nd one needs different $makeopt etc. ? 09:59 < owl> hi SMP 09:59 < rtc> ok, i'm going down for the moment - thx at all for this time 09:59 < rtc> bye 09:59 < blindy> load average: 33.67, 30.96, 24.49 09:59 < blindy> hrm... that's also not good ^^ 10:00 < blindy> bye rtc 10:00 * SMP converting Rock/TODO into package/stefanp/ ... 10:00 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-077-156.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 10:00 < owl> wtf are you doing , blindy ? 10:00 < blindy> well... 10:00 < blindy> I have my rock-src on an encrypted disk 10:00 < rxr> SMP: s.th. like kasc/openh323 ? 10:00 < blindy> did a ./scripts/Cleanup -full 10:00 < owl> (and removes rock-src?) 10:01 < blindy> and then cp -r rock-1.7-bc rock-2.0-bc to update from rev 690 to HEAD 10:01 < SMP> rxr: yah, that's not soooo good 10:01 < blindy> unfortunately I forgot that there is that small dir callod "download" 10:01 < SMP> rxr: we need a better interface in 2.1 ;) 10:02 < blindy> and now the cp is in state D and the load skyrocketed 10:02 < owl> hmm 10:03 < blindy> hmhm 10:03 < owl> ... 10:03 < blindy> load is still rising >_< 10:04 < owl> well, enjoy it. 10:04 < blindy> thanks >_< 10:04 < owl> yrw 10:05 < owl> *sigh* my machine is too slow 10:09 < rxr> are those singapour guys all crazy these days? 10:09 < blindy> why? 10:10 < rxr> after jocelyn quite read chris mail on the list ... 10:10 < blindy> I currently can't access the ML since my machine at home won't let me onto /home ... 10:11 < rxr> you could read the archive in some minutes .... 10:12 < blindy> ok 10:13 < rxr> he seems to be heavily upset just because I said that www2 is nto the master server - and the content is ok on the master server .... 10:13 < rxr> now he would like to turn the box off ... 10:13 < blindy> hrm??? 10:14 < blindy> well, now is one of the rare occassions that I'm speechless... 10:15 < rxr> seems that those folks are runnin amok - because there company is not running smoothly ? 10:23 < n00kie> Hmm 10:23 < n00kie> I didn't got the first mail of chris.. 10:27 < owl> =[9]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.21 2.0.0 10:28 < owl> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. stupid mouse. sorry 10:28 < rxr> maybe it is not on the list and it bouned? 10:29 < rxr> n00kie: you mean the mail I replied to, don't you? 10:30 < n00kie> Nope, I don't got the mail 10:30 < n00kie> The last mail I got is, where chris said how pissed he is... 10:32 < rxr> the initial mail was from another person 10:32 < rxr> Jess Balint <dollz [rock-linux] Broken Links on Web Site 10:34 < n00kie> I mean that mail:"I have no clue why you think I could fix it. All the 10:34 < n00kie> server does is rsync. Not much I can do from my end. I would be happy to 10:34 < n00kie> turn off the mirror at your 10:34 < n00kie> request Rene." 10:35 < n00kie> err 10:36 < n00kie> I just read the line you wrote above me 10:36 < n00kie> It was my mistake, yeah, the mail you replied 10:36 < n00kie> <- Needs sleep ;) 10:36 < n00kie> I guess, it's an "private" mail, isn't it? 10:37 -!- alexander [~alexander@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 10:37 < alexander> Hi all 10:37 < owl> hi alexander 10:37 < alexander> owl, whatz up? 10:38 < owl> hm. nothing. and at your site? 10:38 < alexander> owl, im setting up a new iso server :).. 10:38 < n00kie> Hi alexander 10:38 < alexander> n00kie, hi :) 10:38 < n00kie> How are you? :) 10:38 < alexander> n00kie, fine thnx, and you? 10:39 < n00kie> Fine too, but a bit tired 10:40 < alexander> hmm, what ftp software is the best to run? 10:41 < DeElsasser> hi all 10:42 < rxr> alexander: I use vsftpd 10:42 < DeElsasser> little question: apparently mozilla don't build whit pentium4 optimization 10:42 < alexander> rxr, is it good, i used proftpd but i dont think that they are to great and they dont seams to have any good documentation 10:43 < DeElsasser> how optimize mozilla pro pentiumpro but not the rest of my target? 10:43 < alexander> rxr, i will try vsftpd then :) 10:45 -!- d3mian [~demian@196.40.64.236] has joined #rocklinux 10:45 < d3mian> hi 10:46 < owl> hi d3mian 10:46 < d3mian> !! owl 10:47 < DeElsasser> rxr: do you know what about pentium4 and mozilla? 10:47 < alexander> hmm 10:47 < rxr> DeElsasser: how does it stop to build? gcc ICE ? 10:49 < DeElsasser> rxr: i'm not at home, but i found somethink like at https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mozilla/2003-June/000028.html 10:51 < rxr> hm - gcc bug 10:51 < DeElsasser> :-( 10:53 < alexander> hmm sysdeputil.o(.text+0x37e): In function `do_checkcap': 10:53 < alexander> : undefined reference to `cap_get_proc' 10:53 < alexander> whatz that? 10:53 < rxr> which package ? 10:53 < alexander> when trying to compile vsftpd :) 10:53 < SMP> probably needs libcap 10:56 < alexander> SMP, hmm, oki. Will check, i have libpcap installed but that might not be the same? 10:56 < SMP> something completely different 10:57 * blindy --> lunch 10:58 < alexander> dahh, doesnt work 10:59 < DeElsasser> rxr: if I try to build my target with gcc33, could it work? 11:01 < rxr> DeElsasser: I do not know how much gcc33 already compiles 11:02 < rxr> it might fix many mis-compilications but might also fail on trical errors due to gcc33 got some cleanups due to deprecated "features" 11:02 < rxr> but you could enable gcc33 and only compile mozilla with it 11:02 < rxr> and see if this works ... 11:02 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M288P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 11:07 < alexander> got to eat breakfast, cya 11:07 -!- alexander [~alexander@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux () 11:11 < SMP> w00t, cool, Japanese and Chinese input translations in the new mined 11:13 < DeElsasser> rxr: it seems there is a patch (end of this page) https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=7630 11:16 < DeElsasser> but I don't understand what is to do 11:18 < rxr> DeElsasser: I do not see the patch - seems to be only a notice that it is fixed in CVS ... 11:19 < d3mian> hehe 11:19 < d3mian> good night 11:20 -!- d3mian [~demian@196.40.64.236] has quit ("leaving") 11:21 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DAB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("changing servers") 11:21 -!- fake_ [~fake@pD9E4DAB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:22 < fake_> rxr: is there a reason why alsa-xmms isn't applied, or did you just forget the applied-mail once again ? ;) 11:22 -!- fake_ is now known as fake 11:24 < rxr> oeh - I applied it .... 11:24 * rxr moment 11:26 < DeElsasser> hi fake 11:27 < fake> rxr: rxr: ja ok, ich nehm's zurueck ;) 11:27 < fake> it's in svn. 11:27 < rxr> fake: yes - mail sent 11:27 < fake> forget the mail, 11:27 < fake> oh, ok, ;) 11:27 < rxr> I guess I need to automate the apply process .... 11:28 < fake> no, only not-applied-becauase-mails are important 11:28 < DeElsasser> rxr: have send a mail to gcc.gnu, will see what he say... 11:31 * blindy back 11:31 < blindy> wee, the load just whooshed by the 70-marker 11:37 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.249.210.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:37 < rxr> uO: /dev/root has been mounted 1061 times without beeing checked .... 11:38 < rxr> new .cache files committed ... 11:38 < rxr> the RS/6000 is booting into 2.0-SVN 11:38 < owl> hm. *sigh* another-monster-package builds... :-/ 11:39 < cytrinox> hi 11:39 < owl> hi DeElsasser 11:39 < owl> aaaaargh. cytrinox 11:40 < DeElsasser> hi owl: nobody to kill today? 11:43 < owl> DeElsasser: already almost killed a fat, stupid old woman in train, who eat a bred with sausages, which smelled extremely 11:44 < DeElsasser> lol 11:44 < owl> that's not funny. especially not, if you feel like you would puke because of this... 11:45 < cchamilt> rxr: What is with all this taunting and bitching anyway? 11:45 < fake> cchamilt: hi 11:46 < cchamilt> hi fake 11:47 < DeElsasser> see you later: will go to eat breds with sausages... 11:48 -!- tfing__ is now known as tfing 11:50 < owl> DeElsasser: *kick* 11:50 < owl> (and "good appettite") 11:56 < rxr> cchamilt: what "taunting and bitching" ? 12:01 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p508011B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:01 < cchamilt> kindergarten, crazy, etc... 12:01 < blindy> cchamilt: hi 12:02 < rxr> well - this trolling is like being in a gindergarten 12:02 < cchamilt> you dont want me pissed at you right? 12:02 < cchamilt> hi blindy 12:02 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has left #rocklinux ("...") 12:02 < cchamilt> so why aggrevate the situation? 12:03 < rxr> what else should I think about such comments to just saying "this is not the primary server - and the mirror might either be out of sync or whatever" 12:03 < cchamilt> huh? 12:04 < rxr> what huh? 12:04 < cchamilt> one is not direct of the other. 12:04 < rxr> who started such trolling ? 12:04 < cchamilt> we're having a misunderstanding and you declare the discussion is kindergarten. 12:05 < cchamilt> i told you i was pissed at you. 12:05 < rxr> but not by my words 12:05 < cchamilt> did i go on the list and say rene is a big ninny? 12:05 < rxr> just by your feeling or so .. 12:07 < cchamilt> yes, well it is naturally to lash out when people are angry with you. 12:07 < rxr> if you could write more plain english without slang I could even get the meaning of your writings here more cleanly ... 12:07 < cchamilt> but in a situation such as this one, i think emotions should be observed but not encouraged. 12:08 < rxr> where did I wrote that I'm angry with you ? 12:09 < cchamilt> no, but you retalliated by taunting me with 'kindergarten' and 'crazy'. 12:09 < fake> rxr: between the lines... you doin't have to write things word-by-word 12:09 < rxr> fake: what do you mean ? 12:10 < fake> rxr: i needed time to get used to it allot, you're a geek - you don't think about what people might feel when they read what you write. 12:11 < rxr> cchamilt: then do not write such stuff in the first place 12:11 < fake> rxr: no, it's your fault, but you think you didn't do anything wrong. that's teh problem 12:11 < cchamilt> So I should not tell you when I am angry with you? I should ignore you? 12:11 < rxr> I have not read one technical line in your mails to the topic ... 12:12 < fake> rxr: you are not capable of formulating sentences in a way that makes you communication partner feel 'comfortable' 12:12 < fake> rxr: the message he got from you wasn't technical either 12:13 < cchamilt> your still on the offensive now 12:13 < fake> rxr: it was an insult, for people, who don't get along with your very technical and sense-cold way 12:13 < rxr> the first message was 12:13 < fake> rxr: but that is unimportant. 12:14 < rxr> the 2nd was, too 12:14 < fake> rxr: what you feel is more important what you know by reading anything, for most people 12:14 < fake> *than 12:15 < fake> rxr: you don't get it, do you? 12:15 < fake> (this is not an insult) 12:15 < rxr> fake: I know what you want to tell me - but I think it is simply not the case here 12:15 < fake> i mean you are pretty confused nopw 12:15 < rxr> fake: don't tell me my 2nd mail was not friendly ... 12:15 < rxr> fake: ahe? 12:16 < fake> rxr: do you know the asperger syndrome? 12:16 < rxr> and what responded chris to my 2nd friendly mail? Still elaborating about my writing ... 12:16 < rxr> fake: no 12:16 < fake> rxr: you are a candidate for a perfect example ;)) 12:17 < fake> in other word's, you can't fix it, because for you, it's simply not there 12:17 < rxr> wow - how should I get anything about this syndrom out of your answer .... 12:17 < cchamilt> dont pick on him 12:17 < fake> i don't pick on him 12:18 < fake> i just try to tell both iof you that it's noones fault 12:18 < fake> rxr can't understand what upsets cchamilt 12:18 < cchamilt> rxr: you ask why i was upset in your 2nd mail. so i told you... 12:18 < fake> cchamilt doesnt understand why rxr doesnt undestand... and so furth 12:18 < rxr> fake: if you could post a URL to this snydrom stuff I would be happy 12:18 < fake> it doesn't lead anywhere 12:19 < fake> rxr: i'll send you a mail 12:19 < fake> rxr: it's pretty common among geeks 12:19 < fake> ai'd put cchamilt on cc, but the text is german -_- 12:20 < rxr> you think you have it yourself - or why do you have the text and syndrom handy that fast ? 12:21 < rxr> cchamilt: where there also problems with the initial PR mail to Jocelyn - maybe you are that upset because of that? 12:23 < fake> rxr: i read through it, it's a pretty funny text someone sent me because of the same reason *g* 12:23 < cchamilt> Jocelyn has several mail accounts spread out so she didn't receive all your requests. 12:24 < cchamilt> We were watching you dicuss it on irc that night. 12:25 < daja77> the damn heat kills our brains ... 12:27 < cchamilt> We don't think the news list setup was a very good idea, and she really doesn't have that much time when not at work. 12:28 < cchamilt> So she quit after that... 12:28 < SMP> rxr: just for the record: all patches where I forgot to mention 'Tested.' are of course tested, too 12:29 < SMP> I should go to bed .. cu 12:29 < fake> SMP: yeah, i thought about adding it to ~/.signature 12:29 < fake> SMP: sleep well ;) 12:30 < cchamilt> Maybe news can be something better delegated and maybe have an announce mail list tied to it. 12:30 < SMP> have fun playing with mined - it really rocks ;) 12:30 < cchamilt> bye smp 12:32 < blindy> hmm... wasn't there a rock-announce mailinglist? 12:33 < rxr> cchamilt: which news list setup ? 12:33 < cchamilt> if there was, wouldn't it propagate to rock-linux? 12:34 < cchamilt> jocelyn rsyncs the news list down, changes it, syncs it, waits an hour for the cron job to see if it is correct, repeat.... 12:34 < rxr> aside from that I already proposed more mailing-list often 12:35 < rxr> if is would have been that important maybe someone could have voted for it months ago ... 12:35 < rxr> and all my mail here where send to the same mail-address - maybe the one mail send from pace.de was to anohter - the one listed in the gallery ... 12:35 < blindy> https://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/: rock-announce The ROCK Linux low-traffic announcement list 12:36 < rxr> anyway - have a nice day ... 12:36 < cchamilt> it was supposed to be tied to news list, but i dont think it was. Jocelyn knows more. 12:37 < cchamilt> ok rxr 12:37 < daja77> cu rxr 12:38 < cchamilt> i should go too. 12:39 < cchamilt> talk to you all later. 12:39 < daja77> cu cchamilt 12:50 < rxr> cchamilt: which "whatching the discussion on IRC that night" did yo mean? 13:05 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:05 < owl> re 13:19 < jsaw> re 13:20 < jsaw> hi owl , u 13:20 < jsaw> I left u waiting for an answer... 13:21 < owl> ??? 13:29 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 13:29 < rxr> hi jsaw 13:30 < jsaw> hi rxr. 13:32 < jsaw> rxr: the usb thing was already fixed btw. 13:37 < blindy> owl: could you aswer me a single question? 13:40 < rxr> jsaw: nice 13:41 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:46 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (Client Quit) 13:47 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:49 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B23D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:53 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 14:12 < owl> blindy: which question? 14:16 -!- Nebukadneza [~arklinux@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:16 < owl> hi Nebukadneza 14:17 < blindy> owl: why can't womesnn give a straight and easy-to-understand answer like "yes" or "no"? 14:17 < Nebukadneza> hi 14:18 < owl> blindy: because they're human. man (at least the ones i'm knowing) are doing the same 14:18 < blindy> see also: https://www.compadre.de/pizzaessen.shtml (german) 14:18 < blindy> owl: well, if someone asks me if I go to tanzbar next sunday I answer with "yes" or "no" 14:19 < owl> yes. you... 14:19 < Nebukadneza> hmm? 14:19 < owl> Nebukadneza: ??? 14:20 < blindy> of course. what's wrong with that? 14:20 < Nebukadneza> <blindy> see also: https://www.compadre.de/pizzaessen.shtml (german) <--<-- hmm? 14:20 < blindy> brb 14:20 < owl> *headshake* 14:20 < Nebukadneza> löl 14:20 < Nebukadneza> christ|an: hi 14:20 -!- Nebukadneza [~arklinux@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 14:20 < owl> O_o 14:21 < blindy> brb... tel 14:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:22 < owl> we don't have to understand your quitting and joining, have we? 14:24 < Nebukadneza> @me? 14:24 < owl> .oO( i'm feeling so bored. that's almost killing me...) 14:24 < owl> Nebukadneza: yes 14:25 < Nebukadneza> x crashed 14:25 < owl> ah. k. 14:27 < Nebukadneza> (fucking nvidia drivers) 14:29 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 14:45 < owl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree: 14:45 < owl> 220 builds total, 150 completed fine, 0 with errors. 14:49 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:49 -!- tijakhul is now known as tjakordhul 14:52 < tcr> sounds like klingon 15:00 * blindy going home 15:00 * owl kicks blindy 15:00 < owl> bye ;) 15:15 -!- ringo78 [~ringo78@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 15:19 < DeElsasser> owl: slurps, what a good sausage 15:19 < owl> DeElsasser: *kick* *kick* *kick* 15:19 < DeElsasser> mmm, encore 15:20 < owl> encore? 15:20 < DeElsasser> more 15:20 < owl> ah... k. *g* 15:20 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 15:21 < owl> np: dimmu borgir - puritania *jumping up and down* 15:21 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:22 < owl> Nebukadneza: what's wrong with your x? 15:23 < Nebukadneza> owl: this time it was my mousewheel ... 15:23 < Nebukadneza> i configured it an needed to restart x 15:23 < owl> ah so 15:26 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 15:35 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@pD901807E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:41 < rolla> re 15:42 < tcr> moin rolla 15:43 < rolla> hallo tcr 15:43 < daja77> hi rolla 15:43 < rolla> tcr have you have your ever heard of a net card being up but not wanting to send packets? 15:43 < owl> hi rolla 15:44 < daja77> yepp 15:45 < tcr> I haven't 15:45 < rolla> damn 15:45 < rolla> this card worked fine under 2.4.20 15:45 < daja77> well in my case I used a wrong netmask 15:45 < rolla> now under 2.4.21 suck 15:45 < rolla> daja77: I have the right netmask 15:45 < daja77> 2.4.21 is crap ack 15:46 < tcr> rolla: Did you check anything has been changed on the driver from .20 to .21? 15:48 < DeElsasser> hi daja77 15:48 < daja77> hi DeElsasser 15:49 < rolla> tcr nope 15:49 < daja77> okis got books from library, off again 15:49 < rolla> tcr I just noticed it when I loaded with the new rock install 15:50 < tcr> rolla: Drop 2.4 and go ahead to 2.6, how about that? ;) 15:54 < daja77> this idea causes headaches I guess 15:54 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-078-183.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:54 < daja77> anyway now really off 15:54 < rtc> hello again 15:55 < owl> hi real time clock ;p (SCNR) 15:55 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E268.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:55 < rtc> *gr* 15:55 < rtc> ;) 15:55 < rtc> do you remember my bash problem? 15:55 < owl> yes... missing bash after installation... 15:56 < owl> why? 15:56 < rtc> hm, i've started the package manager from stone 15:56 < rtc> gasgui 15:57 -!- ringo78 [~ringo78@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("brb") 15:57 < rtc> there the "bash" package is deselected 15:57 < rtc> if i select it the system seems to install the pkg from cd 15:57 < rtc> but if i start the pkg mgr again there it is still deselected! 15:58 < owl> hmmm. anyways. sorry. i'm leaving the office, now... bbl 15:58 < rtc> mine -i bash*.gem on the cdrom is also working and don't bring an error, but the pkg remains uninstalled 15:58 < rtc> hm... 15:58 < rtc> k 15:58 < rtc> bye 15:59 < owl> bye 15:59 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-078-183.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:06 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-078-183.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:12 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:20 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-078-183.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 16:23 -!- ringo78 [~ringo78@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-16-37.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 17:04 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F869.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:07 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 17:08 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindy, owl, ringo78, jsaw_, rxr, mnemoc 17:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ringo78, jsaw_, owl, blindy, rxr, mnemoc 17:11 -!- blindy [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 17:48 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has quit ("Reconnecting") 17:48 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.viktorrydberg.studenthem.gu.se] has joined #rocklinux 17:51 < daja77> *lol* got rh beta announcement mail ... 17:52 < rolla> :) 17:52 < rolla> it might work better than rock 2.0 rc1 17:55 < daja77> well if they can really integrate external devs like they are willing to, they are a harder competitor than gentoo (which currently pisses users away) 17:55 < daja77> but the mail is quite funny 17:56 < blindcoder> gentoo pissing off its users? 17:56 < rolla> true 17:56 < rolla> blindcoder: why is that? 17:57 < daja77> blindcoder: yepp in another chan with formerly lots of gentoo users, only one remained, others switched back to rh 17:57 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, fake 17:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fake, netrunner 17:58 < knoti> blrr 17:58 < knoti> blrr 17:58 < daja77> O_o 17:58 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindcoder, schasi, kasc, mistik1, snyke 17:59 * knoti jumps up and down wildly 17:59 < daja77> are you ok? 17:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke, blindcoder, schasi, kasc, mistik1 17:59 < blindcoder> oh... nice 17:59 < Aard> daja77: he wants a `merkbefreiung' ;) 18:00 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, netrunner, rolla, daja77, ringo78, praenti, christ|an, cytrinox, cchamilt, blindcoder, (+13 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:00 < knoti> No 18:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke, tjakordhul, mistik1, kasc, schasi, blindcoder, netrunner, fake, mnemoc, rxr (+13 more) 18:00 < daja77> freenode: *aaaargl* 18:00 < knoti> No 18:00 < knoti> I'm not ok 18:00 < daja77> hi Aard 18:00 < knoti> re 18:00 < daja77> why 18:00 < knoti> I'm doing a presentation of german and american patent laws 18:00 < knoti> You can get sick of this .. 18:00 < daja77> omg 18:00 < daja77> ic 18:01 * daja77 currently learning for economy exams ... 18:01 < rolla> daja77: how did gentoo piss them off? 18:02 < daja77> it is just borken ;-) 18:02 < daja77> and users tend to hate borken system which they had to compile for a long time 18:03 < daja77> maybe rh wants to attract some of the gentoo users ... 18:04 < daja77> so in general it is a good idea to provide rock in binary too, to avoid such things 18:05 * daja77 feared to have Aard pissed away ... 18:07 < Aard> `let me in, you darwinian nightmare' -- `was that an insult?' :) 18:07 < Aard> daja77: no, only busy 18:10 < daja77> hehe 18:10 * daja77 notes the pfy in Aard 18:10 < Aard> daja77: ? 18:11 < daja77> what??! _you_ don't know that, /me shocked 18:12 < Aard> daja77: ? 18:12 < daja77> the Pimple Faced Youngster is the bofh's apprentice ... 18:12 < tcr> pfy is a kinda apprentice of a bofh 18:13 * Aard is playing indy4. 18:13 < daja77> hehe on dosemu? 18:14 < Aard> man scummvm 18:14 < daja77> ahh yes ... 18:14 < daja77> indy4 was a weird game, cool where the french street names in that city 18:15 < Aard> you can now play nearly all old lucas arts games with scummvm. already completed zak, dott, maniac mansion, loom, sam & max, ... 18:15 < daja77> btw scummvm linked against dietlibc? *ggg* 18:16 < Aard> daja77: maybe some day. some parts of libsdl link, getting libsdl to work will be the biggest part. 18:16 < Aard> since scummvm is _really_ portable I think there won't be too much problems 18:17 < daja77> somehow I knew you tried it 18:17 < daja77> btw just to shock you completely glibc is 20mb more on rh ... 18:17 < Aard> :) `wired aard' ;) 18:17 < daja77> diet Aard ;-) 18:18 < Aard> I'm not that thin because of a diet 18:18 < daja77> because you can't afford food in ffm? 18:19 < blindcoder> wow... 18:19 < Aard> I'm eating enough. 18:20 < daja77> :) 18:20 < blindcoder> mkisofs estimates that it takes >90 minutes to create an iso of a full DVD... 18:20 < daja77> wtf? 18:20 < blindcoder> Track 01: 41 of 4307 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 99%] 2.0x. 1.13% done, estimate finish Mon Jul 21 20:19:56 2003 18:21 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ date 18:21 < blindcoder> Mon Jul 21 18:22:06 CEST 2003 18:21 < daja77> your encrypted fs? 18:21 < blindcoder> nah 18:21 < blindcoder> DVD-R drive too slow ^^ 18:21 < daja77> cool you named you computers after native american chiefs? 18:21 < blindcoder> ah, now the estimate goes down... 18:22 < blindcoder> not really, it's just that I thought Crazy Horse sound cool... 18:22 < blindcoder> before that it was scavenger 18:22 < daja77> hehe 18:22 < blindcoder> and the laptop was called marauder 18:23 < daja77> my laptop's name is luggage, after the luggage in terry pratchett books ... 18:23 < blindcoder> hehe 18:24 < daja77> only missing the tiny pink feet ... 18:24 < mnemoc> re 18:25 < blindcoder> daja77: something like that: https://www.exonome.com/fj/phkl/ 18:25 < daja77> wb mnemoc 18:27 < daja77> nope sth like that https://www.ie.lspace.org/ftp-lspace/images/misc/eric-and-rincewind.jpg 18:31 < blindcoder> oh, you mean "Truhe" 18:31 < daja77> yepp 18:31 < blindcoder> I only read the german version of Discworld 18:32 * daja77 read it in english ... 18:34 < owl> rehi 18:34 < blindcoder> owl: wb 18:34 * owl shares another bottle of wodka with #rocklinux 18:34 < owl> thx blindcoder 18:35 * daja77 refuses the vodka 18:35 * blindcoder writing a DVD-R 18:35 < owl> tss 18:35 < daja77> no personal thing, just have to learn, bein drunk is no good idea atm 18:36 < owl> learning... 18:36 < daja77> yeah but I got a copy of the professor's book ... 18:36 < owl> why this? 18:37 < daja77> cos my handwriting is bad ... 18:37 < owl> aha 18:37 < daja77> and my writings are incomplete ... 18:38 < owl> hmm... guess i should copy the "ordner" of the last 2 years, too... *lalala* 18:39 < daja77> wanna learn microeconomics? 18:39 < owl> (but... learning is senseless... takine a " wuerfel" and hoping that the answer is right, is a better solution at ihk-tests...) 18:39 < owl> nah 18:39 < daja77> hmm maybe there 18:41 < owl> hmm 18:41 < blindcoder> ah, I really like my new DVD-{R,RW,RAM} drive ^^ 18:41 < daja77> wtf? https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ola-21.07.03-005/ 18:41 < owl> well. than you can be happy to have something to be happy about, blindcoder 18:43 < owl> *cough* might they mixed up the date... it's !(1. april) 18:43 < daja77> guess this is no joke ... 18:44 < blindcoder> sounds nice 18:44 < owl> blindcoder: ??? 18:44 < blindcoder> owl: !!! 18:45 < owl> why nice? 18:45 < blindcoder> why do you think it's bad that software vendors support linux? 18:45 < owl> basic........... 18:46 < blindcoder> so what? 18:46 < blindcoder> how amny people use VB and VBA? 18:46 < blindcoder> If it is what customers and companies want, so give it to them, I say. 18:46 < owl> nah. 18:46 < blindcoder> owl: you are narrow-minded. 18:47 < owl> thx for your "friendship". 18:47 < owl> goodbye blindcoder 18:47 < blindcoder> if you really think that everybody should use Linux only from the command-line then you're not better than any other Zealot out there. 18:47 < blindcoder> well, it's nice to see how you take on reality. 18:48 < daja77> selling crap is done, but no benefit imo 18:48 < owl> andsP do you wanna a clicky bunti-interface like KDE and shit?!!!! do you really need it? then you are not better than my boss!!! 18:48 < blindcoder> maybe you and I don't need it. but we are not alone on this planet. 18:49 * daja77 off again 18:50 < blindcoder> and personally, I really like most of the simplicity of Windows and yes, that's something I miss in Linux. But I can live without not. 18:50 < blindcoder> ~90% of home users can't live without that. 18:50 < blindcoder> and if you can't accept it, then I take the right of calling you narrow-minded. 18:50 < owl> and? might every stupid blonde secretary should be able to click her own application? 18:51 < owl> every home-user like the ones "buhuhuhuhuhuhuh. my windows is dead. what should i do now. *breaking into tears and taking large hammer to kill pc* " or what?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:52 < blindcoder> well, they are the big market aren't they? 18:52 < blindcoder> they are where money is made. 18:52 < owl> well.money is the only thing you code for? oh goth. go away boy. 18:52 < blindcoder> and if you don't want to care about _user_friendlyness but only about hack value, geeks and zealots, then maybe you shouldn't be a programmer. 18:53 * owl gives blindcoder a visual studio.net 2003 and a c# book. 18:53 < owl> so now code in c# it 's userfriendly 18:53 < blindcoder> haven't had the time or need to look into C# 18:53 < owl> yes. i shouldn't be a programmer. what should i be then? might a cleaning manager? boy, you're fully right! 18:53 < blindcoder> and you're taking the problem from the wrong point. again. 18:54 < owl> yes. hadN#t the need. 18:54 < owl> LMAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:54 < blindcoder> oh come on. do we really need to go that low on this conversation? 18:54 * tcr yawns 18:54 < tcr> re all 18:54 < blindcoder> hi tcr 18:54 < owl> yes! sure! 18:54 < owl> hi tcr 18:54 < owl> blindcoder: - welcome on ignore 18:54 < blindcoder> WEE! 18:54 < blindcoder> it was about time ^^ 18:55 < tcr> blindcoder: q.e.d. ;)) 18:55 < owl> tcr: don't yawn, drink coffee 18:56 < owl> qed? 18:56 < blindcoder> tcr: well, I think she lost her grip on reality sometime ago... 18:56 < owl> bjikuo 18:57 < owl> *gnarf* 18:57 < blindcoder> GUH-narf! 19:01 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:04 < blindcoder> WEE, finally updated from 690 to HEAD 19:04 < owl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree: 19:04 < owl> 220 builds total, 191 completed fine, 0 with errors. 19:07 * blindcoder watching more anime now 19:08 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@p508177C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:09 < dreamind> Hi 19:09 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 19:10 < owl> hi dreamind , mnemoc 19:10 < mnemoc> hi hopefullowl 19:11 < owl> nah. no hopefull 19:11 < mnemoc> i need an 'screen' guru :( any around? 19:12 < owl> hmmm. might also non-screen-gurus are able to anser your question? 19:12 < dreamind> Hi owl 19:13 < tcr> mnemoc: Yo 19:13 < mnemoc> this damn screen does want to get detached :( 19:13 < mnemoc> -ADR doesn't work 19:14 < mnemoc> $ screen -wipe 19:14 < mnemoc> There is a screen on: 19:14 < mnemoc> 428.pts-1.soporte-linux (Attached) 19:14 < mnemoc> 1 Socket in /tmp/screens/S-amery. 19:14 < tfing> screen -d 19:14 < tfing> ? 19:14 < owl> screen -D -RR 19:14 < owl> ? 19:15 < mnemoc> -d doesnt 19:15 < tcr> Hmm 19:15 < mnemoc> -D -RR neihter :( 19:16 < owl> hm. 19:17 < mnemoc> there has to be a 'nice' way.... kill sshd@pts-1 is not nice 19:19 < owl> you want to reattach... or am i getting you wrong? 19:19 < mnemoc> it's attached to a dead pts 19:19 < owl> screen -D -RR 428.pts-1.soporte-linux 19:19 < owl> ? 19:19 < mnemoc> and i want to reatach it to another 19:20 < owl> hmmmmm. 19:20 < mnemoc> weird.... i got a NEW one :| 19:20 < owl> hmmmm 19:21 < owl> screen -x ? 19:21 < mnemoc> -x?? 19:21 < mnemoc> what is that??? 19:21 < owl> -x Attach to a not detached screen session. (Multi display mode). 19:21 < mnemoc> sshd dies :| 19:21 < owl> wtf?!!! O_o 19:22 < mnemoc> nice feature :) 19:22 < mnemoc> owl: that fork of sshd dies ;) 19:22 < mnemoc> i couldn't test -x :( 19:22 < owl> uff 19:23 < mnemoc> brb 19:23 < mnemoc> @screen 19:23 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit ("leaving") 19:23 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("Committed Suicide.") 19:24 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:24 < owl> oops... wrong command... 19:25 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@p508177C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (":x") 19:27 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 19:28 < mnemoc> re :) 19:30 < owl> wb 19:30 < mnemoc> qt or gtk? stability, speed, etc. 19:30 < mnemoc> thank happyowl 19:30 < owl> mnemoc: *kick* (for the happy) 19:31 < owl> gtk... (but for what?) 19:31 < mnemoc> i'll move some c# apps to linux and i don't know if chossing qt# or gtk# ;) 19:32 < owl> gtk# 19:32 < owl> c#... please... don't remind me... :p 19:32 < mnemoc> have you used it? 19:32 < owl> gtk# - nope. but c# i used 19:32 < mnemoc> (gtk#) 19:32 < owl> nah... 19:33 < owl> but qt# is afaik commercial... ? 19:33 < mnemoc> why your 'gtk' is that categorical? 19:33 < owl> hm? 19:33 < mnemoc> https://qtcsharp.sourceforge.net/ 19:33 < owl> oh. k. 19:34 < mnemoc> i'll use gtk, but can i know why? ;) 19:34 < owl> dunno. :p 19:34 < mnemoc> doh! 19:35 < owl> *g* sorry... 19:35 < mnemoc> faster? nicer? feeling? 19:35 < mnemoc> :-( 19:35 < owl> dunno. i'm just forced to use those fscking windows-forms... 19:35 < owl> do you like c#? 19:37 < mnemoc> yep... i droped java ;) 19:38 < owl> hmm.. ok. it's better (faster) than java... ... but. in comparision to c/c++ it's cruel imho... 19:39 < mnemoc> against c/c++ you get much faster development 19:39 < mnemoc> and easier :) 19:40 < owl> yes... faster development... but not faster applications. 19:41 < tcr> That's necessarily needed anyway 19:41 < mnemoc> nothing is free in this life 19:41 < tcr> not 19:41 < owl> tcr: ack 19:42 < tcr> owl: It's _not_ needed 19:42 < mnemoc> fast enough applications, and a great language 19:42 < owl> tcr: i'm hating c#... so... 19:43 < mnemoc> i'm hating coding :) 19:43 < owl> mnemoc: hmmm... depends... and this fscking visual studio.net is also slowly, slowlier, slowliest, even more slowly... 19:43 < mnemoc> language-independece 19:43 < owl> mnemoc: pardon? O_o 19:43 < mnemoc> vs.net 2003 is not THAT bad 19:43 < owl> which machine do you haveß 19:43 < owl> ? 19:44 < owl> btw, have you by acciedent documentation about c# and ado.net? 19:45 < mnemoc> .chm or pdf accidents? 19:45 < mnemoc> owl: P3/733/256 19:45 < owl> hm... .chm and pdf are possi ble... 19:46 < owl> hmm. k. /jme only. amd (?) , 500 /245 19:48 < mnemoc> 245?? video? 19:48 < owl> aeh... 256... 19:48 < owl> video... hmm... dunno. sorry 19:51 < tcr> <mnemoc> i'm hating coding :) <-- How that? U_u, 19:51 < mnemoc> owl: i moved some stuff to... 19:51 < tcr> or do you mean "coding for my boss" ? 19:52 < mnemoc> i need some sysadmin stuff :) 19:52 < tcr> Hm? 19:54 < mnemoc> i have sysamin-blod, but three years ago i offered to code some s.th ... after that they don't let me go back to admin :( 19:54 < tcr> Bah. Administration is such a boring job in comparasion to programmer 19:55 < tcr> prgramming 19:55 < mnemoc> i prefer some of both 19:55 < mnemoc> and THIS particular project is getting me mad 19:56 < mnemoc> (not gtk# one) 19:57 < tcr> Maybe you're just in a bad environment where software development is considered a machinecal, repetive task 19:57 < mnemoc> yep :( 19:58 < tcr> That's sad.. 19:58 < mnemoc> gtk# patch ready for departure on gate 1 19:58 < tcr> mnemoc: How is the company you're working for structured? I mean, who can you address for suggestions 19:59 < mnemoc> i work for firemen :D 19:59 < tcr> You could point him to some lecture about what software development really is 19:59 < mnemoc> in chile 'software development' is not really understood 19:59 < tcr> And how developers should be dealt with etc 20:00 < mnemoc> we have ONE cmm2 company in the whole country 20:00 < tcr> mnemoc: It's in most places understood in the wrong way 20:02 < mnemoc> ppl has the idea that *the* programmer does the whole job... from requirements, to design and coding... tests and validation are taboo words 20:03 < mnemoc> chile is great for tourism, wine, cheese, etc... but not for technology or computing 20:03 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:04 < tcr> mnemoc: You consider moving? 20:04 < dreamind> hi 20:04 < mnemoc> YES! :( 20:05 < dreamind> moving? where? 20:05 < mnemoc> hi dreamind 20:05 < dreamind> hi mnemoc 20:07 < mnemoc> owl: tell me when you finish leeching accidents :) 20:08 < owl> didn't begin... because i have those c# books ;p 20:08 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-078-062.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 < owl> hi real time clock 20:12 < rtc> ;) 20:12 < rtc> rock is running fine - framebuffer and winmodem configured well 20:13 < mnemoc> face it... rock rules 20:13 -!- juopot [~anka@user-tku1-239.dial.inet.fi] has joined #rocklinux 20:14 < mnemoc> .cache updates don't :( 20:14 < rtc> seems so... 20:14 < owl> hi juopot 20:15 < mnemoc> owl: checked ebooks/incoming/pdf ? 20:15 -!- juopot [~anka@user-tku1-239.dial.inet.fi] has left #rocklinux () 20:15 < owl> mnemoc: yes 20:15 < rtc> hm, i've got the pentium mmx binary drock 2.0.0-beta6 - one big problem is that the system brings up many unresolved symbol messages if i compile a new kernel with cpu-option "athlon", which my processor is... 20:15 < mnemoc> :( 20:16 < rtc> how to fix this? 20:16 < mnemoc> beta6 was not good enough... 20:16 < mnemoc> updateing -gem files 20:17 < mnemoc> how did to recompile the kernel? 20:17 < mnemoc> using rock or the tarball? 20:17 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("brb (localhost)") 20:17 < rtc> 2.4.21-rock src 20:18 < rtc> dl the latest release from kernel.org and compile? 20:18 < mnemoc> no... 20:18 < mnemoc> use /usr/src/rock-src 20:18 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@B54f3.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:19 < hopelessOwl> rehi 20:19 < mnemoc> wellcome back happyowl 20:19 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: *kick* 20:19 < mnemoc> don't kick, be happy 20:19 < rtc> mnemoc: have done it with linux2.4.21-rock, was this right? 20:20 < mnemoc> let me check .config file... w8 20:20 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: impossible 20:21 < rtc> k 20:22 < mnemoc> .config is fine... ls /lib/modules/ 20:24 < rtc> ? 20:24 < mnemoc> rtc: btw, cd /usr/scr/rock-src; ./scripts/Config; ./scripts/Download -package linux24; ./scripts/Build-Pkg linux24 is the proper way 20:24 < mnemoc> can you do a 'ls /lib/modules/'? 20:25 < mnemoc> just to check extraversion 20:25 < rtc> w8 20:27 < rtc> ls: "2.4.21-rock misc" 20:29 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 20:29 < netcrow> hi 20:29 < rtc> the problem has to do with the precompiled mmx-binaries i think, because error is unresolved symbol "__mmx_*_" 20:29 < rtc> hi 20:31 < rtc> mnemoc: any further idea? 20:33 < mnemoc> oh... that unresolved symbols :( 20:34 < rtc> jeah 20:34 < tcr> How did you compile the kernel? 20:34 < rtc> thats the onliest bigger problem i've got at the moment 20:34 < SMP> hhmm. no patches approved in my sleep ;-O 20:34 < mnemoc> i had never installed drock iso 20:34 < rtc> make dep ckean bzImage modules modules_install 20:35 < rtc> could it be a problem because i've got a athlon and iso is pentium mmx? 20:36 < ringo78> rtc: make clean menuconfig dep bzImage modules modules_install 20:36 < rtc> ringo78: would come to same, wouldn't it? menuconfig I've made of course 20:36 < mnemoc> unresolved symbol "__mmx_*_" <-- this is the problem 20:37 < mnemoc> run mmx bins over athlon kernel 20:37 < rtc> doesn't work, yeah? 20:37 < mnemoc> i thought athlon had p2 compatibility 20:37 < tcr> I thought so too 20:37 < mnemoc> mmm... Mike1,SMP,rxr? 20:38 < tcr> rtc: when do you get those messages? 20:38 < mnemoc> tcr is back to save the party ;) 20:38 < rtc> at bootup 20:39 < rtc> when initializing usbcore 20:39 < rtc> modprobing i mean ;) 20:39 < ringo78> you'll have to do that in that order else deps and .config will be deleted 20:39 < rolla> yawn 20:40 < tcr> rtc: Not really sure. Try a fresh linux24 package, as mnemoc proposed. Or download a tarball from kernel.org and try that 20:41 < rtc> i will do so, thank you for this time... 20:41 < tcr> I'd have that you forgot to recompile/reinstall the modules, but you seemingly did that 20:42 < rtc> yes, i did 20:42 < tcr> So the only explanation I'd have is that the recompilation didn't recompile all modules (due to some dependancies errors) 20:43 < tcr> Whatever. I'm sure it'll go away if you use a fresh tarball 20:43 < dreamind> *yaawn* 20:43 < dreamind> hi tcr 20:43 < tcr> moin 20:43 < rtc> we'll see, thank you @ all 20:44 < mnemoc> the cleanest way is to use rock's 20:44 < mnemoc> fresh tarball will no rebuild all modules 20:45 < rtc> what do you mean @ mnemoc? 20:45 < hopelessOwl> Error logs from default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree: 20:45 < hopelessOwl> 220 builds total, 216 completed fine, 0 with errors. 20:46 < tcr> mnemoc: it'll leave rock-related kernel stuff as it is, and will create everything completely new. Really, that's the cleanest way 20:46 -!- netrunne1 [~netrunner@p50802154.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 < mnemoc> tcr: ack 20:52 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p50802A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:53 < hopelessOwl> *cough* 20:53 < hopelessOwl> creating rock-src is not really working, eh? 20:54 < hopelessOwl> Creating source tar ... cp: cannot stat `scripts/CVS/Root': No such file or directory 20:54 < hopelessOwl> cp: cannot stat `scripts/CVS/Repository': No such file or directory 20:54 < tcr> Huh? 20:54 < hopelessOwl> tcr: hm? 20:58 < tcr> What are you trying? 20:59 < hopelessOwl> trying to ./scripts/Build-Target (with target which includes X rock-src in config/default/packages)... 21:05 < hopelessOwl> 189M build/default-2.0.0-rc1-x86-minimal_XFree/pkgs 21:05 < hopelessOwl> hmm... guess this size is acceptable for minimal + X, isn't it? (.gem) 21:09 < tcr> owl: Create-Src is still based on cvs, that's the cause for your error 21:10 < hopelessOwl> ah. k. thx. 21:10 < tcr> tell rxr about that 21:10 < hopelessOwl> hm. yes... 21:12 < hopelessOwl> hm.. dammit... this song is great. np: the sisters of mercy - i was wrong *chill* 21:12 < tcr> btw. please make your damn nick shorter. 21:13 < hopelessOwl> why? 21:13 < tcr> long nicks suck 21:14 < hopelessOwl> bad luck 21:15 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-27-12.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 < holyolli> moin 21:15 < hopelessOwl> hi holyolli ! *waves* 21:15 < holyolli> hi owl *re-wave* ;-) 21:15 < hopelessOwl> ;) 21:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 < holyolli> cya 21:30 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-27-12.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 21:34 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-028.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 21:38 < rtc> i have to go, thx @ all and cya later 21:39 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@pD901807E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("tschaule") 21:39 < hopelessOwl> bye rtc 21:39 -!- rtc [~rtc@dialin-145-254-078-062.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 21:42 < rolla> crap 21:43 < hopelessOwl> rolla: ? 21:43 < rolla> damn boxes won't compile crap 21:43 < hopelessOwl> hmm. shit. 21:47 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit ("leaving") 21:48 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@pD901807E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:09 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B23D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:11 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2031.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9174.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.") 22:37 -!- christ|an [~christ|an@pD95302B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 22:38 -!- knoti [~knoti@p508B2031.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:44 -!- schasi [~blubb0r@pD901807E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("tschaule") 22:49 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA0C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:56 < hopelessOwl> https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,258068,00.html << assholes... !!!!!!!!! 23:00 < SMP> https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,257908,00.html <- this is linked to from there and much funnier :> 23:03 < daja77> *lol* 23:04 < daja77> n8 you all 23:04 < hopelessOwl> *rofl* 23:05 < hopelessOwl> gn8 daja77 23:14 < hopelessOwl> <-- sleeping. gn8 23:15 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@B54f3.pppool.de] has quit ("sleeping") 23:17 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95225C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:25 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 23:28 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157026213.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:59 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux --- Log closed Tue Jul 22 00:00:59 2003