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--- Log opened Sat Aug 30 00:00:55 2003
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00:05 < daja77> ok /me off now
00:05 < daja77> cu 
00:05 < dennis> bye daja77 
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00:08 < rxr> re
00:08 < dennis> wb rxr 
00:11 < th> hi rxr 
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00:26 < rxr> hi th
00:27 < rxr> dennis: I prefer to move zsh to misc
00:27 < rxr> for the future only people with more then say three packages might get a repository - all this moving arround of packages is too annoying ...
00:28 < dennis> rxr: i'm on my way to fix openbox from owl repo, so after that there are 3 ;-)
00:28 < rxr> ah - ok, I see
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00:44 < rammi> hi rockers
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01:10 < tcr> rxr: here?
01:11 < rxr> yes
01:11 < rxr> reading your patches ...
01:12 < tcr> rxr: a) you made a small typo to the messages that are printed out when no recent bash is there
01:12 < tcr> echo "You nee to update 'bash' to at least version 2.05b."
01:12 < tcr> need should that be
01:12 < tcr> (before you commit a change, wait for b))
01:13 < tcr> oh, wait I have to check something
01:13 < rxr> erhm - oh - already committed ...
01:15 < tcr> rxr: ok there's no b) anyway... bash behaves smarter than I've expected 
01:15 < rxr> what did you checked ?
01:17 < tcr> I thought bash would complain when using a non-set var in a case block
01:17 < tcr> but it doesn't
01:27 < rxr> why did you do:
01:27 < rxr> v1_binary-file-if-pkg-fails_Build-Target.diff
01:27 < rxr> v2_binary-file-if-pkg-fails_Build-Target.diff
01:27 < rxr> ?
01:29 < tcr> I explained it in the mail
01:30 < rxr> why is it "doomed" ?
01:31 < tcr> Because it's highly likely that at any time there'll be added some additional things, things which should be performed after the creation of binary files
01:32 < tcr> and with v2_ those things will be skipped
01:32 < rxr> I mean why is creating an emtpy tar.bz2 / .gem files doomed ?
01:33 < rxr> I extra enabled this half a year ago because in your current gas_gui we have a database for all packages - and so try to install the ones we have not .gem/tarbz2 for ...
01:34 < rxr> you would need to adapt the cd-database creation and gas_gui - which half a year ago I did not wanted to do becuae I thought a final 2.0.0 was in front of the door - but nowadays I would postpone this for 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 ...
01:34 < rxr> maybe a flyspay entry for this might be better than doing this now ...
01:36 < tcr> rxr: query?
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03:01 < rxr> mnemoc: jsaw: nobody here tonight ?
03:05 < mnemoc> me :)
03:06 * SMP should still be asleep
03:09 < mnemoc> opinion: rh7.1, kernel with devfs+automount and devfsd... can i need something else? i the box doesn't 'come back' i'll have to wait until tuesday :(
03:09 < mnemoc> can i need to modify same file?
03:10 < SMP> 'automount' meaning you mount devfs on /dev ?
03:10 < mnemoc> yep
03:10 < SMP> hum, why that?
03:11 < mnemoc> badly applyed...
03:11 < mnemoc> devfs mounted as /dev by kernel
03:11 < SMP> will probably just cause troubles. use devfs=nomount
03:11 < mnemoc> yeS?
03:11 < mnemoc> nomount?
03:12 < mnemoc> so i'll have old style /dev at boot time
03:12 < SMP> the rock scripts don't need it on /dev
03:12 < mnemoc> rh7.1 :)
03:12 < mnemoc> you said, add it to fstab?
03:12 < SMP> oh, you want to _run_ that rh7.1 with devfs?
03:13 < mnemoc> far-remote-rh71
03:13 < mnemoc> reboot it and magicly have devfs
03:13 < SMP> why the hell do you want to do that ...
03:13 < mnemoc> to build a rock on that redhat
03:13 < rxr> ah hi
03:13 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
03:13 < SMP> mnemoc: arrrgh
03:14 < mnemoc> i need devfs to enter stage2
03:14 < SMP> mnemoc: listen to me - you don't need a devfs /dev to to that
03:14 < mnemoc> i now that part
03:14 < SMP> it's sufficient for the kernel to support devfs so the scripts can mount it (on the chroot /dev)
03:14 < mnemoc> BUT... will old-style nodes at /dev work with a devfs kernel?
03:15 < rxr> yes it should
03:15 < SMP> I've used mknod'ed devices with a devfs kernel, yes
03:15 * mnemoc scared :(
03:16 < SMP> it will work better than throwing devfs directly at the rh7.1
03:17 < rxr> mnemoc: why scared
03:18 < mnemoc> do u swear the machine will come back?
03:18 < rxr> the devfs entries are also nearly normal device-nodes ...
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03:21 < mnemoc> so, no reason to be scared... devfs=nomount AND no devfsd
03:22 * mnemoc scared
03:23 < mnemoc> that server is 'very important' for that client :|
03:23 < SMP> well then you shouldn't be doing Rock builds on it :>
03:24 < mnemoc> where i can, i don't have enough space for trying a generic :)
03:30 < mnemoc> CPU states:  0.1% user,  0.5% system,  0.0% nice, 99.2% idle
03:30 < mnemoc> it's idle enought to build rocks :)
03:31 < mnemoc> but it have to be up
03:33 < dreamind> nite ;)
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04:02 < mnemoc> damn... the box answers ping, but not ssh :(
04:04 < mnemoc> i'm doomed :(
04:16 < rxr> oO
04:17 * SMP starting a r1255 build with Python 2.3 and tsa's latest updates on Linux 2.6
04:17 < rxr> I would never reboot a server with such modifications remotely ..
04:17 < rxr> SMP: on the laptop ?
04:17 < SMP> yes
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04:43 < _spectre_> gn8
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04:58 < mnemoc> cool i got someone to reboot it and start non-devfs kernel ;)
05:57 < rxr> n8
06:04 < mnemoc> n8
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08:54 < Demian> hi
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11:33 < owl> moin
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11:43 < v1r422> hi
11:44 < owl> hi v1r422 
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11:48 < dennis> moin
11:50 < owl> hi dennis 
11:51 < dennis> hi owl 
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12:02 < daja77> d'oh ringo off again
12:11 < owl> hi daja77 
12:11 < daja77> hi owl 
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12:33 < comrad> hossa ppl
12:33 < daja77> ahem hossa comrad 
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12:54 < owl> *lol*
12:59 < rxr> re
13:00 < comrad> hase
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13:11 * praenti here for a minute
13:12 < praenti> rxr: the problem with sendmail or postfix are easily solved with renaming the man pages. but i dont wanted to send a patch, because this are key-pkg and i'm not the maintainer
13:13 < praenti> and at the moment i'm running a little bit out of time. tomorrow i will have more
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13:16 < praenti> shit.
13:17 < praenti> looks like i have a little bit more time today
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14:46 < rxr> this is a bad joke:
14:46 < rxr>  Gentoo Goes BSD
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14:51 < tcr> moin all
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15:00 < _spectre_> moin
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15:01 < rxr> moi _spectre_ 
15:09 < _spectre_> moin _rxr_
15:09 < _spectre_> seid Ihr auch alles gute Studenten, oder wieso habt Ihr meinen Schlafrhytmus ?
15:10 < Ge0rG> guten morgen
15:10 < Ge0rG> :)
15:10 < rxr> _spectre_: teil - aber ich bin schon länger wach
15:10 < rxr> +s
15:12 < _spectre_> gibt Euch wenigstens irgendwer Kohle für das linuxhaxx0rn oder macht Ihr das nur Freizeitmässig ?
15:13 < tcr> Wir machen das als Teil unserer Selbstentfaltung *bg*
15:14 < _spectre_> übrigends sehr nett, dass ghostscript jetzt auch auf der 2er funzt, nachdem ich die "extra paranoia checks weggelassen habe", da muss ich nicht mehr neustarten zum Protokoll tippern :-)
15:14 < _spectre_> tcr: gut so, macht ja auch Spass :-)
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15:18 < _spectre_> Ich hock hier im Studentenwohnheim btw und mittlerweile gibts hier immerhin 3 rocklinux user
15:19 < rxr> ;-)
15:19 < _spectre_> einer versucht grad auf debian zu wechseln, aber Ihm stürzt X öfter mal ab beim zurückwechseln zwischen Konsole und X
15:20 < rxr> von ROCK auf Debian ?
15:20 < _spectre_> ja
15:20 < _spectre_> *nichtversteh*
15:20 < rxr> warum?
15:20 < _spectre_> weiss ich auch nicht so genau
15:21 < SMP> rxr: do we want to go to Python 2.3 if it does not cause any regressions?
15:21 < _spectre_> ich muss sagen, durch rocklinux hab ich wenigstens ein Stück weit kapiert wie linux funktioniert und man kann dran rumbauen ohne ende und's läuft immernoch =)
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15:22 < rxr> SMP: if it does not casue any, yes.
15:22 < _spectre_> hab mit SuSe und RH angefangen und habe mich da oft geärgert endlose, scheinbar unlösbare Packetabhängigkeiten zu haben
15:23 < tcr> _spectre_: Write a Happy User entry
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15:23 < _spectre_> tcr: I already wrote one
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15:24 < tcr> Ok then
15:24 < SMP> rxr: there's one thing I haven't fixed yet (and that is not worth getting fixed by me) - the paragui python bindings do not detect Python 2.3 (needs some easy hacking in an ugly configure script). so either we go to Python 2.3 or wait half a year until paragui developers care to fix their stupid configure
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15:25 < rxr> this package is not important ...
15:26 < SMP> and it's only the python bindings, the rest is unaffected
15:27 < tcr> rxr: in package/base/sysfiles/etc_fstab.txt, why does /dev/root have a 1  1?
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15:27 < tcr> I think it should be 0 1
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15:37 < tcr> rxr: ?
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15:48 * rxr busy debugging ...
15:49 < SMP> woh, mined-2000.8 rockseven more
15:49 * SMP bumps version
15:49 < tcr> ?
15:50 < SMP> ./scripts/Build-Pkg mined # try it ;)
15:50 < rxr> tcr: the file generated by stoen has 0 0
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15:52 < tcr> rxr: I know that. But that shouldn't be an excuse now, should it?
15:53 < rxr> why do you care about the fifth field ?
15:54 < tcr> SMP: Maybe later, I'm trying to get a root partition (that's inside a logical volumne) working, besides... I'm watching DS9
15:54 < SMP> which TV station?
15:55 < tcr> sat1, in ~5mins
15:56 < SMP> tcr: you need an initrd and you need it to run lvchange -ay, but you knew that, didn't you? ;)
15:57 < tcr> rxr: not sure, I just read man fstab about the fifth column... and it doesn't sound we/I want it
15:58 < tcr> SMP: lvmcreate_initrd is a very practical script 
16:00 < daja77> rxr: Gentoo goes BSD, huh?
16:01 < rxr> www.osnews.com ... :-(
16:02 < daja77> rotfl
16:02 < daja77> first step: install openbsd *roflmao*
16:03 < daja77> why importing portage shit, when you already have ports on bsd *shakehead*
16:03 < daja77> rxr: you can relax this is just an instruction set for jerks
16:05 < daja77> the first article is scaring me more: lindows - a real linux desktop alternative *shudder*
16:07 < tcr> SMP: still around?
16:09 < SMP> sure
16:10 < tcr> SMP: do I still need the append="root=..." line in lilo.conf?
16:11 < rxr> how should there kernel know otherwise what to use as root ???
16:12 < tcr> Not sure, maybe some initrd magic. lvmcreate_initrd has a --devfs option
16:13 < SMP> no idea. never used root on LVM or lvmcreate_initrd
16:13 < tcr> Ok
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16:20 < tcr> Heh, Commander Worf on DS9
16:21 < daja77> hehe yeah
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16:40 < rxr> damn gtk/gnome crap
16:41 < n00kie> rxr fighting with Gnome/GTK? (-;
16:46 < rxr> yes
16:47 < n00kie> Good luck.
16:47 < n00kie> :)
16:47 < SMP> what's the issue`
16:49 < rxr> SMP: do you talk to me ?
16:50 < SMP> yes
16:50 < rxr> still the font corruption ...
16:50 < SMP> oh. yeah
17:02 < SMP> hmm, can reproduce in vnc
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17:45 < netrunner> rxr: you only have 0 build errors without paranoia, no?
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18:03 < martin> hello all
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18:12 < owl> remoin
18:19 < dennis> lo owl 
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18:24 < tcr> rxr, jsaw_: ping
18:25 < tcr> hi martin, owl, dennis, irchive_5
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18:35 < martin> hi tcr
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18:50 < tcr> brb
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19:06 < rxr> pong
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19:16 < rxr> this damn XFree crap
19:17 < rxr> we urgently need to rewrite this damn collection of broken code ...
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20:38 < tcr> rxr: oh, you fixed the bug?
20:51 < rxr> nope - I just did other stuff
20:51 < rxr> right
20:51 < tcr> Hmm, I've plugged a mouse into com2, what's the /dev path to it, /dev/input/mice or /dev/tts/1?
20:51 < rxr> I currently want to retest with updated gtk fluff
20:51 < rxr> tts/1
20:51 < tcr> oks
20:51 < rxr> serial and ps2 mices only show up in input when you use 2.6 ...
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22:33 < rxr> oh my are sf.net cvs checkouts slow (at leat now)
22:33 < Ge0rG> they are always - unless they don't work at all
22:34 < rxr> jups - and I'm currently filling support request to delete my only two projects there ... ;-) now
22:51 < snyke> any MySQL Expert in here?
22:54 < rxr> snyke: not me ...
22:55 < rxr> well the few files are still checking out.
22:55 < snyke> I just need somebody who can create ma query
22:55 < snyke> with a JOIN
22:57 < jsaw_> re
22:57 < jsaw_> hi all
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23:08 < rxr> hi jsaw 
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23:08 < jsaw> hi rxr
23:09 < jsaw> what was wrong with the fontconfig finally?
23:10 < rxr> it does not install the pkgconfig .pc file ...
23:10 < jsaw> ...
23:10 < rxr> if there is more - I do not know yet - sill investigating the problem reported on the list ...
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23:15 < snyke> _now_ any mysql expert here?
23:16 < jsaw> sorry snike. I guess google and the manual were not helpful..?
23:17 < jsaw> s/i/y/ (and that me... with a ski at the end of my last name... where everybody writes sky...)
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23:30 < Joss193> jou, does someone know how wine installes apps will appear in kmenu?
23:30 < Joss193> installed
23:42 < netrunne1> Joss193: if you put them there :)  (ok, I dunno if there is a facility for that ;)
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23:47 < rxr> hi netrunner 
23:47 < rxr> damn is this sf.net slow ...
23:47 < daja77> re
23:47 < rxr> unbelievable
23:48 < n00kie_> klitschko won in first round with ko
23:51 < daja77> n00kie_: how boring ;-)
23:53 < Mike1> waste of money
23:53 < Mike1> moin.
23:53 < daja77> hehe moin Mike1 
23:53 < n00kie_> Hi Mike1 :)
23:53 < n00kie> err
23:53 < n00kie> I'm 2 times here?
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23:53 < daja77> lol
23:54 < daja77> n00kie fogot to say hola
23:54 < Mike1> OMG n00kie is clonning himself
23:54 < daja77> forgot
23:54 < daja77> oh no
23:54 < n00kie> :)
23:54 < Mike1> daja77: just like that guy from matrix..
23:54 * Mike1 runs
23:54 < daja77> the austrian way of gaining population ...
23:55 < Mike1> hehe
23:55 < n00kie> You mean
23:55 < n00kie> "Agent n00kie"?
23:55 < daja77> hehe
23:55 < Mike1> yes the Freaky Angent n00kie
23:56 < n00kie> ;)
23:56 < daja77> Mike1: don't call Freak now
23:56 * Mike1 invokes Freak
23:56 < Mike1> *ggg*
23:57 < Mike1> how are things doing Daniels ? :)
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