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--- Log opened Fri Sep 05 00:00:02 2003 --- Day changed Fri Sep 05 2003 00:00 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-038.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 00:03 < netrunner> good evening. 00:03 * netrunner still fighting with his raid 00:03 < dennis> hi netrunner 00:03 < esden> hi netrunner 00:04 < daja77> hi netrunner 00:04 < netrunner> anyone of the now listening uses softraid with devfs and currend rock? 00:06 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-210.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:18 < esden> netrunner: /me not yet 00:19 < netrunner> esden: /me cannot mount raid since upgrade to rock :( 00:19 < esden> netrunner: that is not good 00:19 < netrunner> esden: ack 00:19 * -> esden is still fighting dump ... 00:20 < esden> since _many_ hours 00:20 < netrunner> esden: you are fighting while having a dump? 00:20 < esden> that is not a program that is a bitch ... or something worse 00:21 < esden> hehe .... 00:21 < esden> would be also an idea 00:21 < esden> but that is a name of a program ... no a unsorted aglemeration of code 00:22 < esden> I can not call that a prograb ... that is everything but not a program 00:23 < esden> humm ... is RLML once more broken? 00:23 < esden> I have not got a mail for a long time now 00:24 < dennis> esden: no 00:24 < esden> o_O 00:24 < dennis> esden: i've received me mail succesfully (2 min ago) 00:25 < dennis> s/me/my 00:25 < esden> ahh there it is 00:25 < esden> good dennis 00:25 < esden> thanks for the info 00:25 < dennis> np :) 00:28 < dennis> i hope the fuckin cksum is correct ;-) 00:29 * -> esden making another cappu ... I will need some of them till I get dump running ... 00:32 < netrunner> hmmm .... I have problems with the superblock "mdadm: No super block found on /dev/md/0 (Expected magic a92b4efc, got 05700ae0)" 00:32 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9E4DCD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 00:32 < netrunner> I read that there was a discussion on linux-kernel about "RFC - new raid superblock layout for md driver" 00:32 < netrunner> is that a sign? 00:33 < esden> can be ... or not ;) 00:36 < netrunner> grmbl. 00:37 < netrunner> I'll try to take one disk out, create a single-disk raid 1 and copy the data to the new raid disk then add the old back. next week. 00:37 < netrunner> I'm going to Duesseldorf tomorrow, anyone needs a lift? 00:38 < esden> what do you need in duesseldorf? 00:38 < netrunner> esden: visit my uncle 00:38 < esden> have fun 00:38 < netrunner> thx :) 00:38 < netrunner> n8 * 00:39 < esden> n8 00:41 < esden> how can I dump symbols from an object file? 00:41 < daja77> n8 netrunner 00:41 < daja77> nm? 00:41 < esden> or better from a .a lib? 00:41 < daja77> oh object ... 00:41 < daja77> forgot it ... 00:41 < esden> daja77: !!! 00:41 < esden> haw could you! 00:41 < esden> ;) 00:42 * daja77 getting old 00:42 < esden> lol 00:43 < martin> gn8 00:43 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7B95B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("bye bye") 00:43 < daja77> :) 00:49 -!- ram [1000@216.236.217.191] has joined #rocklinux 00:50 < ram> hi. 00:53 < daja77> ram without mi :) 00:54 < ram> ? 00:54 < ram> :) 00:54 -!- ram is now known as rammi 00:54 < rammi> wrong.. nick 00:55 < daja77> :) 00:56 < rammi> i see you made to the rc1.. nice.. nice.. 00:56 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:57 < esden> lool daja77 made the release candidate 1 ... good work daja ... how long has it taken you to make a rocklunx clone? ;) 00:58 < daja77> .oO esden is jeleous 00:58 < daja77> esden: i was faster than owl 00:58 < daja77> :) 00:58 < esden> I am only a dietlibc minion ;) 00:58 < daja77> guess rammi meant you direted to us 00:59 < esden> sure I am jelous when you create a whole distribution build kit ;) 00:59 < daja77> directed 00:59 * daja77 überhacker 00:59 * -> esden ??? 00:59 * daja77 notes that this might be wrong 00:59 < Ge0rG> correct spelling would be "uberhacker" ;) 00:59 < esden> daja77: you are our uebercool ueberfast uebermighty ueberhacker ;) 01:00 < daja77> esden: you in der mehrzahl, er meint uns, nicht nur mich 01:00 < esden> ahh ok 01:00 < daja77> rofl 01:01 * daja77 lowerhacker that has no time for rock coding :( 01:01 < esden> rammi: I have to admit that I have not realized you here in the channel yet ... where do you come from ... and what lead you to us? 01:01 < rammi> i come frome Serbia... 01:02 < esden> so rock arrived serbia, very nice 01:02 < rammi> i like rock linux.. but not using one.. because i dont have full version.. i only try beta6 mini install 01:03 < esden> why don't you have a full version? 01:03 < daja77> esden: btw my father told me that he needs a big pasport to enter poland, boy that sucks 01:04 < esden> big passport? o_O 01:04 < rammi> my connection is very slow. 01:05 < esden> rammi: wait till 2.0 get's released and order a cd set ... 01:05 < daja77> yepp real passport instead of personalausweis 01:05 < esden> yea sure ... poland is not yet in EU 01:06 < rammi> order.. how.. i didnt find any Store link on rocklinux.org 01:07 < esden> you can ask anyone from here to send you the cd's ... 01:07 < esden> but I would wait till 2.0 to get full blown stable stuff 01:07 < esden> then you also get a source cd and you will be able to make your own builds with that 01:08 < rammi> cool.. 01:08 < esden> updating only the source packeges what should be possible also over a slow connection 01:08 < daja77> esden: the czech republik is not in eu too, as well as turkey, still you don't need a passport for these 01:09 < daja77> we are neighbours, my god 01:09 < esden> since when? o_O 01:09 < daja77> for years 01:09 < esden> daja77: I have not decided that ... 01:09 < esden> and I have no influence on that 01:09 < daja77> i know, just wanted to tell someone 01:09 < esden> now I know 01:09 < esden> thanks ;) 01:10 < rxr> re 01:11 < esden> re rxr my friend ;) 01:11 < daja77> hi rxr 01:11 < rammi> what is the "re"? 01:11 < daja77> returns 01:12 < esden> please be carefull I may act strangely ... fixing dumps makes me feel really strange ... 01:12 < daja77> rxr: the isos should be at your site already :) 01:12 < rxr> daja77: ok 01:12 < rxr> rammi: I 01:12 < rxr> 'm curious - how many EUR repective $ would you sent for a ROCK Linux CD set ? 01:13 < daja77> rxr will become famosu and rich :) 01:14 < rammi> asking me.? 01:14 < rxr> daja77: I do not think so - I just do marketing reseach ... 01:14 < rxr> rammi: yes 01:14 < rammi> i dont now.. how much is it 01:15 < rammi> know 01:15 < daja77> i don't mid you getting roich and famosu 01:15 < rxr> daja77: are those spelling intentional? 01:16 < daja77> no, lame connection due rocklinux download 01:19 < rammi> when will rock final go out.. 01:19 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 01:20 < rxr> rammi: there is no price yet - I just liked to get some honest estimation from you which do you think is fair? 01:20 < rxr> btw in which country do you you live? 01:21 < rammi> 10 E. 20 E max 01:21 < rammi> Serbia.. Cacak 01:21 < rxr> E. means Euro? 01:21 < rammi> yes 01:21 < rammi> what do you think 01:22 < esden> rammi: is that price estimation with shipping included or not? 01:22 < daja77> we discussed today that the market for selling linux distribution boxes is down here 01:23 < esden> daja77: where here? 01:23 < daja77> in .de 01:23 < rammi> yes.. 01:23 < daja77> that's why redhat doesn't sell boxes anymore 01:24 < esden> is nobody buying linux boxes in the us? 01:25 < daja77> well they switched to selling a magazine with cds instead 01:26 < rxr> rammi: do you need PPC or x86? And do would you like to get 2.0.0-rc1 - with all the edges it has - or wair for 2.0.0? 01:26 < rxr> I could send a set over 01:27 < rammi> rc1.. because i dont know how much i have to wait 01:28 < esden> what the holy fsck ... that can not be ... the msg symbol has to be there ... why does that fscking linker not see it ? 01:28 < rxr> rammi: please send the shipping details to rene@rocklinux.org 01:28 * daja77 goes to bed now 01:28 < daja77> cu 01:29 < esden> cu daja77 01:29 < rxr> I expect is it not cheap to transfer the money to germany - so I think you'll get it for free 01:30 < rammi> i dont know how to send the money 01:31 < rammi> i how much? 01:31 < rxr> the last time I did an foreign bank-transfer it was arround 8ERU or so ... (from Germany to UK - but it doesn't matter that much) 01:31 < rxr> e/ERU/EUR/ 01:32 < esden> rammi: the best way would be to make a bank transfer to the bank account of rxr 01:33 < esden> that is at least here the easiest way to shift money around 01:33 < rammi> its to much work.. and I dont have CrediCard.. 01:33 < rammi> tnx.. i will try to download it.. ? tnx anyway.. and sorry for .. trouble 01:34 < esden> rammi: and rxr said that you get it for free ... so do not worry 01:34 < rxr> rammi: hey wait 01:34 < rxr> rammi: I said I ship it for free ... 01:35 < rxr> rammi: I said "I expect is it not cheap to transfer the money to germany - so I hink you'll get it for free@ 01:36 < rammi> i dont wont to make troble.. work.. about sending and so. 01:37 < rxr> rammi: hey this is no trouble - burn the three CD on the SPARC while one of the intensive debugging sessions - like the one I'm currently in 01:38 < rxr> - and throw the CD with some paper arround in the next mailbox. 01:38 < rxr> you just need to send me you address - and depending on the post services - have the CD set in some days ... 01:38 < rammi> hm. okey.. 01:38 < rammi> i will send it in a few min. 01:38 < rxr> just send it to rene@rocklinux.org 01:39 < rammi> ok.. tnx.. 01:39 < esden> uh oh ... that is bad ... iproute is failing in bootdisk target ... that is very bad !!! 01:48 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 01:48 < rxr> mnemoc: I have a rxr5 i2c patch - I hope you do not scream ... 01:53 < esden> ok fixed iproute ... 01:54 < rammi> rene.. what details do I need to send to you .. i doing this for the 1st time.. and I dont know it.. 01:55 < rammi> Street, Contry, Town, Name, Last Name.. 01:56 < esden> home number ... the standard snail-mail address 01:57 < rammi> home number? 01:58 < esden> the number of the building you live in. Or you do not have home numbers? 01:58 < esden> postal code perhups if you have something like that? 01:59 < rammi> yes. 01:59 < rammi> tnx 01:59 < esden> room number? 01:59 < rammi> I type thet.. 02:00 < rammi> Nemanjina 33/33 02:00 < rammi> building numb. room numb.. 02:00 < esden> good 02:00 < rxr> ah - re 02:01 < rxr> XFree and Kernel/DRM internals keep me away from this screen .. 02:01 < rammi> now i can send it 02:02 < rammi> no problem. 02:03 < esden> ahh apropos XFree I got XVideo running on my laptop ;) 02:04 < esden> the gatos driver made it possible 02:05 < esden> I will try to get 3D acceleration running too ... it should be possible, at least the guys of gatos say so 02:05 < esden> I think we should include the gatos ati drivers in rock 02:05 < rammi> cool.. in the name of God .. I will be one of the rockers.. soon :) 02:06 < esden> hehe 02:06 < rxr> esden: erhm - I'm just debugging the radeon "crap" on PPC - they make my X freeze ... 02:07 < esden> I will add that by myself ... I do not want to say that you should do it >_< 02:07 < esden> yes freezing X sux 02:08 < esden> but I wanted to tell you that I got it running because that was a problem on the dev-meeting if you remember perhups 02:09 < rxr> ah - yes - this was an old erhm mach64, correct? 02:10 < esden> an ATI Mobile mach64 crap 02:10 < esden> that is also preventing me from using framebuffer 02:11 < esden> I got it almost running ... but it is somehow not initializing the lcd correctly ... if I connect an external monitor and switch from the external to the lcd everything seems to work correctly now ... after I patched the kernel to use correct PLL value 02:11 < esden> but when I simply start the machine without external monitor it still remains black 02:12 < esden> I will have to investigate more there 02:24 < rammi> god night.. need sleep :) 02:24 < esden> good night rammi 02:24 < rammi> tnx. 02:25 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.191] has quit ("Client exiting") 02:37 < esden> uh oh ... the bootdisk target needs more fixing 02:41 < rxr> you mean it would when I apply the dietlibc patch on the list ? 02:45 < esden> yes ... but that are trivial things 02:45 < esden> I have the fixes in a moment 02:46 < esden> but wait for the patches before you apply my patches 02:49 < esden> so you can apply everithing including the incremental fixes too 02:50 < esden> so that there is no time someone gets broken tree 02:50 < rxr> XMMS 1.2.8 02:50 < rxr> someone wonna test? 02:54 < esden> rxr: should syslinux go on the 2nd stage image? 02:54 < esden> I do not think so 02:54 < esden> right? 02:55 < rxr> correct 02:55 < esden> it was missing in the package_map in build_stage2.sh 02:55 < esden> you forgot to add it there 02:59 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4D3BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:59 < fake> re 03:02 < esden> ok ... not all bugs are my patches ;) 03:02 < esden> there are two errors that have nothing to do with my dietlibc patches. that is good 03:02 < esden> ;) 03:02 < esden> re fake 03:02 * fake fighting with his MIPS PDA once again... 03:04 < esden> any progress? 03:06 < fake> well... 03:06 < fake> at leat now i now why the pocket bsd bootloader kept failing - 'unsupported cpu' when compiled with debug output 03:06 < fake> the vr4122 is cuncommon in those pdas 03:06 < fake> the vr4111 and vr4100 are more common 03:07 < esden> that is a progress ... yes ... not very positive but progress 03:07 < fake> now i'm bound to cyace, another bootloader based on pbsdboot, which 'segfaults' 03:07 < fake> if you can call it that way 03:09 < esden> hmm ... debugging a bootloader seems pretty difficult ... 03:09 < esden> so I have to whish you good luck 03:09 < fake> ... without any hardware specifications, yes, i am in the dark 03:09 < fake> thanks 03:10 < esden> good bootdisk target fixed 03:12 < esden> ok ... I create an iso of dietlibc target with the bootdisk target that finished now and install my laptop with it ... 03:12 < esden> I am very curious what happens ;) 03:23 < esden> I am very curious what happens ;) 03:23 < esden> ups 03:23 < esden> once more wrong window >_< 03:24 < fake> ../sysdeps/unix/syscall.S: Assembler messages: 03:24 < fake> ../sysdeps/unix/syscall.S:28: Error: absolute expression required `li' 03:24 < fake> *gnnnarf* 03:25 < esden> wooho ... now I have a dietlibc iso ... 03:25 < esden> I am very eager if it really works ;) 03:26 * fake can't find an `li' in: 03:26 < fake> SYSCALL (syscall, 1) 03:27 < rxr> fake: hint macro 03:27 < fake> rxr: arrrr 03:27 < fake> rxr: why does glibc suck so much? 03:28 < esden> fake: do not ask ME I really would like to know that myself ;) 03:31 < rxr> fake: the inital _syscall is a kernel thing ... 03:32 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeee 03:32 < fake> today is not my day... include/linux/time.h:145:31: division by zero in #if 03:32 < rxr> ah no sorry 03:34 < esden> ok mounting the test disc into my laptop 03:34 < rxr> oh my 03:34 < rxr> it seems I need to merge the ppc kernel tree DRM fixes into the XFree CVS tree 03:35 < rxr> I already started to package an pre-clrened drm package due to the current one we use is out of date ... 03:35 * fake guessing CLOCK_TICK_RATE... >_< 03:38 < esden> ok dietlibc target installing... 03:39 < esden> fake: take a w20 and you will get the right value ;) 03:39 < fake> aeh... w20 * 1000000 03:40 * fake acquiring food / cooking 03:48 < rxr> oO I seem to overload the OS XEmacs by cutting several hundreds of kB inside a buffer ... 03:49 < rxr> hm / not hit the 100MB region ... 03:49 < rxr> (memory footprint) 03:50 < rxr> hm - 140MB ... 03:53 * -> esden booting into dietlibc system 04:03 < rxr> ok 600MB for this editor was enougth - killed ... 04:07 * rxr booting a new xemacs 04:15 < esden> humm ... fsck seems to be broken in the dietlibc build ... 04:20 < rxr> oehm 04:20 < rxr> maybe we should really consider using the sf.net DRI trunk ... 04:20 < esden> haaa there it is 04:20 < esden> fsck is linked for some fscking reason dynamically 04:21 < esden> as I expected 04:29 < esden> ha now it is correct! 04:32 < esden> ok reburning iso 04:36 < esden> hmm ... there are still some packets missing in the dietlibc target 04:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 04:38 < esden> hi n00kie 04:38 < rxr> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 04:38 < esden> rxr: got it running? 04:38 < rxr> OpenGL on my iBook 04:38 < n00kie> Hi esden :) 04:38 < rxr> finally 04:38 < esden> congrats rxr 04:38 < n00kie> rxr: Congrats :-) 04:38 < esden> rxr: I pack my patches together in a moment and send them to the ML 04:39 < esden> so you can apply them 04:39 < esden> the bootdisk target seems to be working now correctly 04:39 < esden> and compiling correcly 04:39 * rxr is busy playing Quake3 and FlightGear the next days ... 04:39 < esden> rxr: !!! 04:39 < esden> ;) 04:39 < n00kie> Hehe 04:42 < rxr> gltrons works 04:43 < n00kie> rxr: Do you run OpenGL on OSX or Linux? 04:43 < rxr> n00kie: ehrm of course it work out of the box on MacOS-X perfect 04:44 < rxr> but the times I boot into OS-X convergate to zero - and when I use it I start it in MacOnLinux ... 04:44 < rxr> this is GL on ROCK ... 04:45 < n00kie> Ah, okay 04:46 < rxr> puh - the last missing thing on the Laptop ... 04:46 < n00kie> Hmm. 04:47 < rxr> boah - heavily bledned textures with 500 fps 04:48 < n00kie> the human eye only can see 25 fps 04:48 < n00kie> ;-) 04:49 < esden> ok ... sending out the patches ... 04:49 < esden> hold on ;) 04:54 < rxr> This Radeon Mobiliy M7 rocks 04:54 -!- cytrinox_ [~cytrinox@p213.54.155.176.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:59 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4D3BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:00 < esden> rxr: mail out ;) 05:01 < rxr> esden: I think I apply it after some sleep 05:02 < rxr> btw we'll meet Regina today 05:02 < esden> *cry* ... :( ... but ok I can understand it 05:02 < rxr> ah! it is 5 o'clock ?!?!?!? 05:02 < rxr> shti 05:02 < esden> rxr: *GRRR* ... greet her from me 05:02 < rxr> +t 05:02 < esden> and give her a hug from me please 05:03 * rxr happy that OpenGL is finally in a useable state on the iBook - puh! a <huge>PUH!</huge> 05:03 < rxr> esden: jups - I'll do so 05:03 < esden> thank you very much 05:03 < rxr> I heared your parents where afraid due to the montain climbing? 05:04 < esden> hehe ... yes they were 05:07 < mnemoc> re 05:07 < esden> re mnemoc 05:07 < esden> rxr: regina is telling everything around ;) 05:07 < rxr> hopully they are not that afrraid the next time - hey, and at least you have survived glibc and dietlibc code ... what is a mountain compared to that ... 05:07 < esden> rxr: you are right ... nothing ;) 05:08 < rxr> esden: no - not to everyone ... we just phoned long some days ago ... ... 05:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess you will kick me - but I have a patch-...-i2c-..-rxr5 lying arround ready on the UltraSPARC waiting for an SCP ... 05:09 < rxr> but this will be tomorrow - after some sleep ... 05:09 < mnemoc> does it builds? ;) 05:09 < esden> rxr: ahh ok ;) 05:10 < rxr> oh - cool 05:10 < esden> o_O 05:10 < rxr> the iBook even wakes up correctly using DRI ... - astonished 05:11 < rxr> mnemoc: sure - is -rxr4 + PowerPC fixes ... 05:11 < rxr> nothing changes for x86 .,. 05:12 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.46.180.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Connection timed out) 05:13 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to see to believe :) 05:14 < mnemoc> regresions are strong in those patches :) 05:14 * mnemoc hides 05:15 < rxr> mnemoc: hm? 05:16 < rxr> the additions are really only in two mac specific modules - which could not have built before ... - they are just not used on plain-x86 builds 05:16 < rxr> btw, has anyone tested if the driver also work after my patch merging? Or do jey just _compile_? 05:16 < mnemoc> uhm... compiles :) 05:19 < n00kie> oh man 05:19 < rxr> this weekend we will have a rc1+fixes for PowerPC 05:19 < n00kie> I have to standup on 7:00 05:19 < n00kie> am can't sleep 05:19 < n00kie> and 05:20 < esden> hmm that was to be expected pam is not compiling under dietlibc out of the box 05:20 < esden> but vim does ... what are these people doing >_< 05:21 < rxr> esden: pam does use ldopen ... 05:21 < mnemoc> building generic with stackprotector and gcc33 i got 153 errors on stage 5 :( 05:21 < rxr> it has plugins ... 05:21 < rxr> mnemoc: oh 05:21 < esden> grrr ... ok 05:22 < mnemoc> i hope lot of them are 'cascade' errors 05:22 < rxr> it is really cool to gather more nd more people that work on different ends 05:22 < rxr> on ROCK 05:22 * rxr of to bed 05:22 < mnemoc> sure... you can worry about ppc :) 05:22 < mnemoc> good night rxr 05:23 < esden> n8 rxr 05:23 < n00kie> sleep well rxr 05:23 < rxr> cu hopfully today - but there are quite some real-world items on the list ... 05:23 < n00kie> esden: Don't you go to bed? 05:23 < esden> rxr: have fun 05:23 < esden> n00kie: I should 05:23 < esden> but I can't 05:24 < esden> I want that dietlibc target to work on my laptop ;) 05:25 < mnemoc> will you start uclibc after diertlibc is finished? :) 05:25 < esden> I think so yes 05:25 < mnemoc> nice 05:26 < n00kie> that will be nice 05:26 < esden> ok to get shadow working I need libtool and for it I need autoconf 05:26 < esden> that means I need perl 05:26 < esden> *GRRRR* 05:28 < mnemoc> i don't something more stupid than a auto{conf,make} needing perl :| 05:28 < esden> more stupid is that linux kernel needs perl to compile too 05:29 < mnemoc> what?? kidding? 05:29 < esden> as you can read in my mails sent to the mailinglist 05:29 < esden> mnemoc: I am not kidding 05:29 < esden> the kernel uses perl for some tools for symbol extraction and so 05:30 * mnemoc can't (don't want to) believe that 05:30 < n00kie> esden: What? 05:30 < esden> mnemoc: then check it by yourself 05:30 < n00kie> I can't believe that 05:31 < n00kie> Why should the kernel need perl to compile? 05:31 < esden> cd /usr/src/linux; grep -r perl * 05:31 < n00kie> o_O 05:31 < mnemoc> does it required perl5? :( 05:31 < n00kie> woah 05:32 < n00kie> That much 05:32 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/laptop/dietpatchgen/build# grep -r "\#\!\/.*perl" /usr/src/linux 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/script_asm.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl -s 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/arch/cris/drivers/lpslave/bintocarr.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl -w 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/split-man:#!/usr/bin/perl 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/kernel-doc:#!/usr/bin/perl -w 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/checkhelp.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/scripts/checkincludes.pl:#!/usr/bin/perl 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/BK-usage/csets-to-patches:#!/usr/bin/perl -w 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/BK-usage/cset-to-linus:#!/usr/bin/perl -w 05:32 < esden> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-doc-nano-HOWTO.txt:#!/usr/bin/perl 05:32 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/laptop/dietpatchgen/build# 05:32 < esden> here the proof 05:32 < mnemoc> please... STOP 05:32 * mnemoc depresed 05:32 < n00kie> my machine called "nonsense" :) 05:33 < n00kie> mnemoc: What's the name of your machine, mnemoc? 05:33 < esden> humm .. I could disable scsi stuff and that lpslave driver then it may compile without perl 05:34 < mnemoc> my machine at home is colled as my daugther.. victoria 05:34 < mnemoc> my rock 'playcamp' is called soporte-linux :( 05:36 -!- fake [~fake@pD950ED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:37 < esden> re fake 05:37 < mnemoc> wb fake 05:37 < fake> re 05:42 < n00kie> wb fake 05:44 < fake> wow... finally a kernel seems to compile for the mips pda... 05:56 < mnemoc> you must try to sleep sometimes... it's good for health, really 06:08 < fake> i will sleep - as soon as i finished another episode of 'happy lesson' and tested the just built kernel on the pda 06:08 < mnemoc> build kernel ON the pda, or FOR the pda? 06:09 < fake> for the pda on my workstation ... 06:09 < fake> i don't have _that_ much time ;) 06:10 < mnemoc> =) 06:14 < esden> ok I started a clean build of dietlibc target ... 06:14 < esden> I am eager to know if it will spit out any errors ... 06:14 < fake> and it still doesn't work -_- 06:14 < esden> and I should start a bootdisk build too .... *sigh* 06:16 < fake> sunset... 06:16 < esden> ok ... a bootdisk build started now too ... 06:17 < esden> I wait till linux24 fails ... disable the apriopriate driver and go to bed 06:18 < esden> sun is rising >_< 06:18 < esden> I HATE THAT 06:18 < mnemoc> good 'sunset' rl :) ... i go to sleep... cu 06:19 < mnemoc> find -name '*.c' >> kernel-disable.lst 06:19 < esden> n8 mnemoc 06:19 < esden> mnemoc: lool 06:19 < mnemoc> n8 06:26 < n00kie> good night mnemoc :) 06:39 * fake also going to bed before it gets too bright in here 06:39 < fake> n8 06:39 -!- fake [~fake@pD950ED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Read error: 69 (Excessive sex)") 06:39 < n00kie> good night 06:39 < n00kie> :-) 06:39 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 07:00 < esden> n8 07:03 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091924.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:45 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 07:45 < scythe_> mornin' 08:08 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:18 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 08:28 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:47 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 08:55 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091924.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:06 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:25 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 09:27 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:36 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 09:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:48 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 09:50 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 10:18 * SMP shoots esden 10:23 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M285P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:26 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M354P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 10:46 < daja77> moin 10:55 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm83.gamma148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 11:03 < daja77> O_o we need two different versons vor libgnomeuimm strange 11:03 < daja77> moin cchamilt 11:04 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:14 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-025.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:21 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.163] has joined #rocklinux 11:22 < rammi> hi. 11:22 < scythe_> hi 11:24 * daja77 off to work now 11:25 < daja77> cu 11:35 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.163] has quit ("Client exiting") 11:38 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-203.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:45 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-025.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:52 -!- Ge0rG_ [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:03 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-203.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 12:07 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-203.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:19 < owl> moin 12:34 < esden> good morning everyone 12:34 < esden> SMP: you shoot me? 12:34 < esden> SMP: what have I done? 12:34 < scythe_> mornin? in which timezone u live? :-) 12:35 < esden> in the ESDEN zone, why? 12:37 < scythe_> ... 12:38 < SMP> esden: for the pointless 1 MB curl patch 12:38 < esden> why pointless? 12:38 < esden> can you explain that to me? 12:40 < esden> you think you have a better solution? I am open for suggestions... 12:41 < SMP> esden: it is completely impossible to see what you really want to change (you did not send the configure.in) and anyway you should have patched the configure script directly, not through configure.in and a brute autoconf run 12:41 < esden> I did not change anything 12:41 < SMP> then why the patch? 12:42 < esden> I only run autoconf over that 12:42 < SMP> what was the problem with curl in the first place? 12:42 < esden> because the autoconf that was usef originally to generate configure generated a broken configure script 12:42 < SMP> broken in what way? 12:43 < esden> it checked for c++ pre processor sanity even if two lines above it detecded that it does not need c++ at all 12:44 < SMP> and that's all? 12:44 < esden> yes ... I was not willing to patch configure by hand to get that stuff out 12:44 < SMP> yeah right, and instead you send a 1MB patch *SIGH* 12:45 < esden> SMP: you may submit a smaller patch if you hate that big patch so much 12:45 < SMP> let me see 12:45 < esden> ok ;) 12:46 < SMP> around what line number does that happen? 12:46 < SMP> or give me a string so look for 12:47 < esden> mom 12:49 < esden> error: C++ preprocessor \"$CXXCPP\" fails sanity check 12:49 < esden> all that stuff is not there after you run ./reconf over it 12:54 < SMP> it takes a *one* line patch to disable that 12:54 < SMP> -if $ac_preproc_ok; then 12:54 < SMP> +if true; then 12:55 < esden> ok I will check that 12:55 < SMP> apply that only when under dietlibc and it's sane enoug 12:56 < SMP> saner than a 1MB patch anyway 12:57 < esden> yes that is right 13:10 -!- alanw [~Alan@212.69.249.174] has joined #rocklinux 13:20 < esden> SMP: your solution works, thank you very much 13:22 < SMP> no problem 13:31 < scythe_> what is exactly needed to build rock linux to a different architecture - eg gcc.x, glibc.x etc. ? 13:33 < SMP> oh, hey, I should answer your mail 13:33 < scythe_> ... 13:34 < scythe_> i am doing an i386-s390 cross compiler, what versions of what programs are needed? 13:34 < scythe_> for rock 13:34 < esden> ok new curl patch sent to the mailinglist 13:35 < SMP> scythe_: do you already have the rock sources available? 13:37 < scythe_> not yet, just done a gcc 3.3 xc and compiled a 2.4.21 with ibm patches 13:37 < esden> scythe_: you should get the rock sources and create a cross chaintool with the rocklinux scripts 13:37 < SMP> ok, you don't need to build any tools or cross tools on your own 13:38 < esden> SMP will explain that /me shutting up 13:38 < esden> ;) 13:38 < scythe_> esden: i'll do that, after i completed the ipl with the new kernel :-) 13:38 < SMP> (ipl meaning boot) 13:40 < scythe_> yes, sorry 13:41 < SMP> no problem, most people just done 13:41 < SMP> eh 13:41 < SMP> don't know big iron speak ;) 13:41 < scythe_> initial program load - parisc and sparc does this too, doesn't? 13:42 < SMP> never heard this used on anything not from IBM 13:42 < scythe_> i saw it on a 10 yrs old parisc 13:46 < SMP> ok, probably esden can help you more with the initial steps - first major goal would be to fill in the parts in architecture/s390/. I have never done any porting myself with the 1.7/2.0 style scripts, but esden did 13:47 < SMP> by the way why do you want to start with a cross build? it is probably easier to start on apollo and it should just work 13:47 < scythe_> slow 13:48 < scythe_> i mean sloooooow 13:49 < scythe_> but we can do it, a few weeks and its done :-) (but really, it would take some days) 13:50 < SMP> I'm not sure if it's easier to start native or cross - the scripts make cross building really easy ;) 13:50 < SMP> esden? 13:51 < esden> he should start with a cross build 13:51 < esden> that will be faster 13:52 < scythe_> do i need to be root on the maschine used for cross-building - i am not the p4s admin, and the guys isnt to flexible 13:52 < esden> yes sadly you need root for that 13:53 < esden> but you may try ... I may be wrong 13:53 < esden> because cross build is not creating a chroot IIRC 13:53 < esden> so it may work also as normal user 13:54 < scythe_> may? 13:54 * -> esden has never done a cross build ... 13:54 < esden> scythe_: but you also may install an other distro on the s390 (debian?) and start the port from there 13:54 < esden> that is how I have done it with alpha 13:55 < SMP> just try it, it will probably work far enough and you'll see when it breaks ;) 13:55 < scythe_> ok 13:55 < esden> SMP: good point ;) 13:55 < SMP> esden: the current Linux on the s390 is just fine, but the machine is slow 13:55 < SMP> scythe_: can you drop a copy of the sources on apollo? 13:55 < scythe_> we are running production os390s on the same cpu with more priority 13:56 < scythe_> yes, shall i use cvs? 13:56 < esden> you should take the rock sources from svn yes 13:56 < SMP> he probably doesn't have a subversion client ... 13:57 < SMP> do we still have snapshot tarballs? 13:58 < scythe_> if svn is similar to cvs i will learn to use it fast... 13:58 < SMP> it is almost equal to use - problem would be to get an svn client 13:59 < scythe_> I see. SMP: couldn't you upload the sources to apollo, or give me a URL to download from? 13:59 < scythe_> (svn isnt gpl?) 13:59 < SMP> yeah, wait - I'm checking out a tree without my local mods and I'll tar it up and upload 13:59 < SMP> svn is gpl but a bit nasty to build 14:01 < esden> SMP: not that I know of ... only release tarballs 14:01 * -> esden should read before writing >_< 14:02 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-6-56.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 14:02 < DeElsasser> hello folks 14:02 < esden> hi DeElsasser 14:02 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M354P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 14:02 < DeElsasser> rxr? 14:02 < scythe_> hi 14:03 < DeElsasser> hi scythe_, new here? 14:04 < scythe_> DeElsasse: yep, met rock yesterday :-) 14:05 < DeElsasser> esden: do you know something about koffice-i18n? 14:06 < DeElsasser> scythe_: and how do you find it? 14:06 < SMP> what's up with koffice-18n? 14:06 < esden> DeElsasser: nope 14:06 < DeElsasser> SMP: it builds but koffice is still in en_US 14:07 < DeElsasser> I don't find where set the locale 14:07 < SMP> you set a locale in KDE Controlcenter? 14:07 < DeElsasser> yes 14:08 < DeElsasser> I will try with the new version 14:09 < scythe_> SMP: when do u upload? - i'd like to reboot with the new kernel 14:09 < scythe_> SMP: it's 5 minutes - i hope 14:09 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M354P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 < SMP> DeElsasser: I recently built it and it worked immediately 14:09 < SMP> scythe_: checkout still running ... 14:10 < scythe_> then i'll be back - i start the reipl 14:10 < SMP> o 14:10 < SMP> ok 14:10 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ("konec") 14:12 < DeElsasser> SMP: 1.2.91? 14:12 < daja77> re 14:12 < DeElsasser> hello daja77, how are-you? 14:13 < daja77> hi DeElsasser, i am fine thx, and you 14:14 < DeElsasser> good, I had a good lunch, all is allright 14:14 < daja77> hehe :) 14:15 < SMP> DeElsasser: no, I tested the upgrade to .92 - but it should just work in .91 as well 14:15 * DeElsasser 'wife will that he do a diet... 14:15 < DeElsasser> SMP: thx will try 1.2.92 14:15 -!- Ge0rG_ is now known as Ge0rG 14:15 < daja77> DeElsasser: hehe how could she :) 14:17 < DeElsasser> don't know, perhaps she need new "brillen" 14:17 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-182.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 < SMP> DeElsasser: "glasses" 14:18 < esden> moin daja77 14:18 < DeElsasser> daja77: is there a kde frontend for postgresql (tora?) 14:18 < DeElsasser> SMP: danke 14:18 < daja77> DeElsasser: dunno i don't need graphical frontends to dbs 14:18 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-203.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:18 < daja77> hi esden 14:19 < DeElsasser> daja77: I know, just a question 14:19 * daja77 used postgres with sql query txt files 14:19 * DeElsasser want try one 14:20 < daja77> scripted db rules :) 14:20 < DeElsasser> just to administration, I find it's easier 14:22 < daja77> hmm as I said, dunno :) 14:24 < DeElsasser> about graphical: my 'pure' kde target works fine, but in the last cd install mine doesn't work 14:24 < daja77> aha 14:24 < DeElsasser> it doesn't find postinstall.sh (something like) 14:25 < DeElsasser> so I do a manual mine -R /mnt/target 14:27 * daja77 hating the fact to depend on python scripts 14:27 < DeElsasser> is that a knowed bug? 14:28 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB7655.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:35 < dennis> hi all 14:36 < DeElsasser> hi dennis 14:36 < dennis> hi DeElsasser 14:40 < dennis> /whois DeElsasser 14:40 < dennis> ohh sry ;-) 14:40 < esden> hi dennis 14:40 < esden> dennis: learn typing ;) 14:41 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 14:42 < scythe_> hi again 14:42 < dennis> hi esden 14:42 < dennis> h scythe_ 14:42 < dennis> s/h/hi 14:44 < DeElsasser> dennis: DeElsasser is an Elsasser ;-) 14:44 < dennis> DeElsasser: ahh, thanks :D 14:57 < scythe_> SMP: as u see the reipl failed - i had to roll back to the prev kernel - i forgot to compile in devfd ;-) 14:57 < scythe_> devfs i mean 14:58 < SMP> ah, yeah 15:01 < esden> WOOOOW rocklinux is listed on the frontpage of the alphalinux page !!! 15:01 < esden> Amazing! 15:01 < daja77> great 15:01 < esden> see www.alphalinux.org 15:02 < SMP> heh 15:03 < esden> alphanews posted an article that we (/me ;) ) are back to alpha development ;) 15:03 < daja77> hehe 15:03 < esden> the guys there are picking up stuff very fast ;) 15:05 < Freak> guys.. that reminds me of... hey guys! 15:05 < esden> hi Freak 15:05 < esden> o_O 15:06 < Freak> whats that look? 15:06 < daja77> *lol* rh7.2 for alpha ... 15:06 < daja77> hey Freak 15:06 < Freak> hi daja77 15:07 < daja77> oh my ... is that page ugly 15:07 < Freak> which one? 15:07 < daja77> alphalinux 15:09 < DeElsasser> it's a 64_orange_bit_penguin 15:10 < DeElsasser> on alpha station, there are only tree colors, black, red and orange ... 15:11 < DeElsasser> there are no blue-screens 15:11 < daja77> hmmm 15:17 < Freak> I don't get it. 15:17 < daja77> hm? 15:18 < Freak> DeElsasser's last three lines 15:18 < daja77> :) 15:18 < scythe_> SMP: can i retry the new kernel on apollo? i've recompiled it with devfs 15:19 * SMP vanishes ;) 15:19 < scythe_> B back 15:19 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ("system failure") 15:24 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 15:25 < scythe_> SMP: so she rebooted - i reallocate my self, than i am ready to rock - when can u upload the srcs? 15:25 < SMP> they're already there 15:26 < scythe_> then i'll start working in 30minutes 15:26 < scythe_> or u can if u want to... 15:26 < scythe_> cu 15:26 < SMP> start with running ./scripts/Check-System 15:26 < SMP> cu 15:27 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ("I Shall return mortals... - Monkey Island 3") 15:28 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-198.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:29 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-182.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15:33 -!- daddel9__ is now known as Nebukadneza 15:53 < rxr> re 15:53 < esden> re rxr 15:54 < daja77> hi rxr 15:57 < rxr> hi daja77 and esden 15:58 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-076.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:05 < DeElsasser> hi rxr 16:08 < rxr> hi DeElsasser 16:09 < DeElsasser> rxr: koffice-i18n (1.2.91) builds but doesn't work, do you something about this? 16:10 < rxr> DeElsasser: oh I did not know - I'll fix this tonight or tomorrow - if you like you can fill a flyspay entry end assign it to me (as reminder) 16:11 < DeElsasser> rxr: I don't think it's a rock problem, I will try 1.2.92 this evening to see 16:14 < esden> rxr: have fun with chinafood ;) 16:15 < esden> rxr: and with Harry Potter ;) 16:15 < daja77> esden: petze :) 16:16 < rxr> DeElsasser: do you use ROCK? or a handbuild? 16:16 < rxr> esden: thanks 16:17 < DeElsasser> rxr: rock, but I tried by hand (i18n) and it was the same 16:18 < DeElsasser> looks like that koffice don't find the locale 16:19 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-076.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-198.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:19 < DeElsasser> and I don't know where he look for getting it 16:21 < DeElsasser> I will also try with i18n-fr to see 16:23 -!- alanw [~Alan@212.69.249.174] has quit ("Leaving") 16:23 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-076.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:27 < esden> hehe ... I see that my patch collection is so big that it even scares rxr ... 16:27 < esden> rxr: you are pushing that hill in front of you ;) 16:27 < esden> hehe :) 16:31 < rxr> esden: nope - I apply it as soon as I have all the neded adaptions in the tree to label it -rc1+fixes for the PowerPC ISO this weekend 16:31 < rxr> you patch will be applied tonight 16:32 -!- scythe_ [~scythe@ns.rudas.hu] has joined #rocklinux 16:32 < scythe_> hi again 16:32 < esden> ok ... np, I only made fun ;) 16:33 < esden> re scythe_ 16:33 < rxr> esden: :-) I know - I just wanted to inform you ... 16:34 < esden> thank you very much for the information ;) 16:34 < rxr> esden: could you take a look if dimitars devfs patch for (was it init) looks and works ok?) 16:34 * daja77 notes that he _hates_ suse 16:36 < scythe_> why does rock needs bash-2.05b (i've got 2.05a ;-( ) 16:36 < rxr> daja77: welcome in this club .... 16:37 < rxr> scythe_: because the old bash is too bugy? 16:37 < rxr> it will not run our shell script properly ... 16:37 < scythe_> it's from a to b - was this a big step? 16:37 < daja77> i have to maintain a suse 7.3, and need new software on it *cries* 16:37 < rxr> nope - but the bug fixes needed to work properly ... 16:38 < scythe_> i see - i have to change it on our deb 16:38 < mnemoc> re 16:38 < rxr> hi mnemoc 16:38 < daja77> hi mnemoc 16:41 < daja77> btw the freeciv guys managed to close their site due the patents problem 16:42 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,264396,00.html 16:43 < mnemoc> libxml2 shares with py2.3 :( 16:44 < mnemoc> why do they do such things???? damn 16:44 < daja77> ah the spiegel bot is back 16:46 < SMP> re 16:47 < mnemoc> passagierflugzeuge <--- what means? 16:47 < SMP> passenger airplanes 16:47 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-079-008.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:49 < daja77> airplanes with passengers in it 16:49 < daja77> d'oh 16:51 < mnemoc> thanks :) 16:51 < esden> o_O iproute fixed? that was all? *shocked* 16:51 < rxr> and the next linux-drm fixup round ... 16:55 < DeElsasser> can somebody say to the britten that missiles on airplanes are required, perhaps they refuse to use they... 16:55 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-076.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:56 < esden> *sigh* ... 16:56 < esden> I will never get that dietlibc target full functional ... 16:56 < mnemoc> you will... and will do the same for ucblic :) 16:56 < esden> I am currently lying under a hill of bugs ... and do not know which bug to kill first 16:56 * daja77 pets esden and gives him a cookie 16:57 < esden> thanks daja77 16:57 < daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/2004/banner.gif 16:57 < daja77> :) 16:57 < esden> mnemoc: you may start uclibc target yourself >_< 16:57 < rxr> me off 16:57 < rxr> cu 16:57 < scythe_> cu 16:57 < esden> nice banner daja77 16:57 < esden> have fun rxr 16:58 < esden> and bon apetitt ;) 16:58 -!- cytrinox_ [~cytrinox@p213.54.155.176.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:58 < daja77> esden: yepp released some minutes before 16:59 < esden> I like the slogan "Install what YOU want" 17:00 < daja77> i just suggested to do it a bit slower 17:01 < scythe_> OK, so i've run Check-System, what shall i do? rtfm? 17:03 < DeElsasser> cu all 17:03 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-6-56.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 17:11 < scythe_> so, first i create a new dir in /architecture, then i write archtest.out and get a kernel.conf... 17:12 < Freak> proof that vulcans do exist! https://www.plaind.com/contact.php3?D1=7 17:16 < mnemoc> scythe_: dont' forget preconfig.in and config.in :) 17:18 < scythe_> aaaah, what should be in the kernel.conf 17:18 < scythe_> ? 17:18 < mnemoc> the arch specific CONFIG_* 17:19 < mnemoc> start making it exist... with preconfig 17:19 < scythe_> thx 17:20 < mnemoc> then special flavor on config.in 17:20 < mnemoc> and gcc options on gcc-options 17:21 < scythe_> i dont have Create-CopyPatch, where can i get it (and what is it) ? 17:21 < scythe_> preconfig.in says i should use it 17:21 < mnemoc> it shall be at ./scripts/ 17:22 < scythe_> yeap, i misslooked it (shame on me) 17:22 < mnemoc> you can start copying files from another arch 17:22 < mnemoc> and someday fix the copywrite 17:23 < mnemoc> that files creates a copy.patch to insert copyright on top of your files 17:23 < scythe_> i think the kernel should use som ibm patches - most of them are gpl - what do u (rockdevelopers) think of 3rd party patches? 17:24 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:24 < mnemoc> i proposed some month ago to have architecute/*/download.txt just for allowing that 17:25 < mnemoc> can you doit without ibm patches for now? 17:25 < scythe_> i think, but we should use them later 17:25 < scythe_> ibm knows its hardware better :-) 17:26 < mnemoc> when you get more into rock i can tell you how to patch kernel and other packages from within architecture definition 17:26 < mnemoc> but if you prefer we can do it right now 17:27 < scythe_> i think it will wait me (us) 17:27 < scythe_> they just increase the reliability of the kernel 17:30 < SMP> gcc23 doesn't build (cross) for s390 for me :( 17:30 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-079-008.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 17:30 < scythe_> i've built gcc 3.3 this morning 17:31 < scythe_> i can upload it to apollo 17:31 < SMP> not neccessary 17:31 < SMP> do you have something in architecture/s390/ yet? 17:32 < scythe_> https://oss.software.ibm.com/linux390/index.shtml - there is a howto to build cross for s390 17:32 < scythe_> yepp, but not much 17:32 < scythe_> btw - dont u use hercules 17:33 < SMP> me? no 17:34 < scythe_> start using it - makes your life easier 17:35 < scythe_> (s390 hw emulator - and it's good) 17:35 < SMP> I don't have anything to run in it yet - and I found it way complex when I tried it last time 17:36 < scythe_> it's not that complex, i'm testing the xcrossed kernels on it. 17:37 < scythe_> (i didn't test it today as i mentioned...) 17:37 < SMP> it is complex for someone not used to the architecture 17:37 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-079-008.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:39 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:44 < scythe_> ok, there 17:44 < scythe_> there's a basic s390 dir in architecture, i shall start building 17:49 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M354P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 17:51 * daja77 off now 17:51 < daja77> cu 17:51 < esden> cu daja77 17:51 < daja77> cu esden :) 17:52 < scythe_> cu 17:55 < scythe_> question - does rock only build with kernel 2.4.22? cause there are only 2.4.21 patches from the ibm - which we hould use later... 17:56 < SMP> yes, you will have to downgrade to 2.4.21 again 17:57 < SMP> if you had svn you could just check out that revision - for now don't mind the linux24 package 17:57 < scythe_> not now, but maybe later... 18:00 < scythe_> y is it downloading a 2.6 kernel? 18:01 < SMP> because we support that as well 18:01 < scythe_> yey 18:01 < SMP> you should use custom package sel. and add a line 'o linux26' 18:01 < SMP> building linux26 packages is just a waste of time right now 18:02 < scythe_> true 18:02 < mnemoc> SMP: downgrade is not that simple... many needed patches for 2.4.21 were removed 18:02 < SMP> and it takes literal ages 18:02 < SMP> mnemoc: that's why we have subversion 18:02 < scythe_> where can i get to custom package sel 18:02 < mnemoc> u r right :( 18:03 < mnemoc> scythe_: Config -> Expert -> Package Selection 18:03 < scythe_> so what would the rule be? o linux26? 18:04 < mnemoc> - linux24 18:04 < mnemoc> - linux24* 18:04 < mnemoc> X linux26* 18:04 < mnemoc> the last two lines 18:04 < SMP> I use the minimal template and these lines: o linux26, x gcc33, o linux24, x linux24-src, x linux24-header 18:05 < scythe_> what's of and x? omit exclude or what 18:05 < SMP> ohh, that's legacy ;) 18:05 < mnemoc> - remove, O disable, X enable 18:06 < SMP> for x and o think of a paper form, x is checked, o is an empty checkbox 18:06 < mnemoc> * is replaced with [^ ]* 18:06 < SMP> pkgsel seems to completely undocumented 18:06 < SMP> to be 18:07 < scythe_> do i need a kernel now? or can i use - linux24* and -linux26* 18:07 < mnemoc> nope 18:07 < SMP> you need linux24-header 18:07 < scythe_> k 18:07 < mnemoc> you need linux[26]-header 18:08 < mnemoc> to build glibc 18:08 < scythe_> now make up your minds 18:08 < SMP> use linux24-header and don't listen to him ;) 18:08 < mnemoc> :( 18:08 < SMP> glibc doesn't build against 26 headers ATM 18:08 < scythe_> i prefer 24 anyway - because of 2.4.21 as i mentioned 18:10 < scythe_> k, i started the download again 18:10 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M354P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:10 < scythe_> 5 min i'll be back 18:23 < scythe_> back. Is it possible to make choosable wihich kernel do u want to use if you selected an arch? eg: 2.4.21 with ibm or the standard 2.4.22? 18:24 < SMP> it is done that way for ppc e.g., but it is not pretty. see the linux24-benh package e.g. 18:24 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB7655.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 18:27 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M272P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:29 < scythe_> how much will rock download with -required? 18:30 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:30 < holyolli> moin 18:31 < SMP> scythe_: all the packages currently listed in config/$config/packages 18:32 < SMP> scythe_: you would probably start with the 'minimal' template 18:32 < scythe_> ok, i wait the glibc to finish then change the template 18:38 < SMP> there doesn't seem to be a damn way to disable linux24 but keep linux24-header :( 18:39 < scythe_> i use -linux24* -linux26* X linux24-header 18:39 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M354P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:40 < SMP> doesn't work - check in config/default/packages 18:40 < SMP> if you use -linux24*, the linux24-header package will be completely removed with nothing left to enable with X 18:41 < scythe_> i'll change that too 18:42 < scythe_> you should rewrite the script :-) 18:42 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB76D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:42 < dennis> re 18:43 < SMP> well, it needs documentation, not a rewrite ;-( 18:43 < scythe_> nice. 18:45 < scythe_> so im going home, than we can continue after the weekend - till than the packages should be downloaded... 18:46 < SMP> alright, cu! 18:46 < scythe_> good weekend everyone, cu! 18:46 -!- scythe_ [~scythe@ns.rudas.hu] has left #rocklinux () 18:52 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-100.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:05 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-079-008.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:30 -!- ruddur [ruddur@ruddur.net] has quit ("Erection reset by queer") 19:34 < dennis> is huebi still alive? 19:54 -!- christ|an [~christian@pD9530AD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:04 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.188] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 < rammi> hi 20:09 < dennis> hi rammi 20:11 < rammi> whatz up? 20:15 < dennis> dunno 20:17 < mnemoc> mmmm 20:19 < esden> hi rammi 20:21 < mnemoc> hi rammi... nice ident :) 1000 20:21 < mnemoc> hi esden 20:21 < esden> hi mnemoc 20:22 < esden> rammi: and .. do you already know when you will have your cd's? 20:22 < esden> hmm some neighbour ass is smoking without me >_< 20:24 < dennis> you smell the weed? 20:24 < esden> yes 20:24 < dennis> bad situation 20:24 < dennis> for you 20:34 < mnemoc> it's not usual that ppl that smoke can smell it :| 20:39 < esden> o_O 20:39 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.188] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:47 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.170] has joined #rocklinux 20:51 < owl> moin 20:52 < dennis> hi owl 20:52 < owl> hi dennis 20:52 < owl> .oO(men are sleeping the whole day? O_o) 20:52 < esden> hi owl ... 20:53 < owl> hi esden 20:53 < esden> typical owli is globalizing averything she sees ... 20:53 < owl> esden: *kick* 20:53 * owl hits esden with some books lying around *vbeg* 20:53 < esden> am I right or am I right 20:54 < owl> *cough* you aren't of course ;p 21:01 * rammi is away: I'm busy 21:19 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.170] has quit ("Client exiting") 21:29 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 < LocalHero> Hi all :) 21:31 < LocalHero> How do i change the anoying thing that rocklinux adds two hours to the local clock just because i chose stockholm for the time zone :( 21:38 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA925E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:43 < Ge0rG> LocalHero: add hwclock --hctosys to one of the start scripts 21:44 < tcr> moin all 21:44 < tcr> Could anyone tell me what pkg contains the file libaprutil*.so*? 21:45 < tcr> Just grep /var/adm/flists/* 21:46 < mnemoc> we that an online version of that :( 21:48 < tcr> mnemoc: Yeah. But I need that info now.. 21:48 < tcr> it's needed for svn, so I'm unable to check current sources out 21:51 -!- fake [~fake@pD950ED82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:51 < fake> mornin' 21:51 < owl> moin fake 21:53 < tcr> people, please.. just do a grep 'libapr' /var/adm/flists/* 21:55 < fake> tcr: apache 21:56 < tcr> Fuxxing.. I thought svn as client can be used without apache? Or is this some of apache's foobar libraries? 21:58 < owl> tcr: ./scripts/*-Pkg svn ? --> needs apache, too... because it wants to build the server-site-stuff, too, afaik 21:58 < fake> scripts/Emerge-Pkg 21:59 * fake Diary of Dreams - Chemicals 21:59 < tcr> owl: I think that has been made dependant on user's choice. Maybe in a later versions than -camp 22:00 < tcr> Anyway I've just used Update-Src 22:00 < owl> hmmmmmmmmm. k. don't have current version on HD,..... don't mind 22:00 < owl> .oO(god... 10 minutes to "binden the schuhe".... ) 22:01 < tcr> fake: That will just install all the fucking stuff I don't wanna have, so what's your point really? ;) 22:01 < fake> tcr: i just filled in owls '...' 22:02 < fake> aeh i expanded her '*' 22:02 < tcr> ah, ok 22:02 < owl> .oO(tcr must be blind...SCNR) 22:03 < tcr> Well, it's true that I need stronger glasses 22:03 < fake> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in real TAO mode for single session. 22:03 < fake> *narf* 22:03 < fake> damn RWs 22:03 < tcr> but I'm Kurzsichtig 22:03 * fake too 22:03 < tcr> luser ;) 22:04 * fake is with luser 22:04 < owl> <-- is also short-sightened 22:05 < tcr> Not quite that ideal for an owl 22:05 < fake> she ate too few 'karotten' 22:05 -!- LocalHero [~chatzilla@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.34 [Mozilla rv:1.5a/20030718]") 22:18 < tcr> mnemoc: here? 22:20 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:22 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 < mnemoc> tcr: yeap 22:25 < tcr> mnemoc: in your mail, do you mean 'we' with why? 22:26 < tcr> I'm a bit confused ... 22:26 < mnemoc> yes :D 22:26 < mnemoc> s/- why/ - we/g 22:26 -!- cbq [~festux@178.Red-81-36-169.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:27 < SMP> just for the record: I know that arch. specific patches are .diff.$arch, not .$arch.diff 22:27 < SMP> argh, s,diff,patch,g 22:29 < mnemoc> :) 22:29 < mnemoc> my point is that there are thing that you don't want to put into svn... download is better for big patches 22:30 < mnemoc> even .tar.bz2 patches in addition to .diff.bz2 22:30 -!- cbq [~festux@178.Red-81-36-169.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #rocklinux () 22:30 < mnemoc> .diff.$arch is good for little patches 22:31 < tcr> Not sure what that patch/issue is about anyway 22:31 < SMP> hmm, well, yeah, the linux patches are fairly large 22:32 < tcr> Will struggle with it as soon as time permits (which isn't gonna be soon) 22:33 < SMP> the rest of the patches (binutils, gcc-3.3, gdb, strace) are not 22:35 -!- ruddur [ruddur@ruddur.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:36 < fake> SMP: i wanted to correct you... just once... *sniff* 22:38 < mnemoc> :) 22:39 -!- rammi [1000@216.236.217.169] has joined #rocklinux 22:40 < daja77> re 22:41 < rammi> now i can say re daja77? 22:41 * fake looking forward to croatia 22:41 < holyolli> re daja77 22:41 < fake> hi daja! 22:41 < rammi> hi. 22:42 < rammi> :) 22:42 < daja77> rammi: yes you can 22:42 < daja77> fake! 22:42 * tcr is gonna sleep.. gn8 all 22:42 < holyolli> n8 tcr 22:42 < daja77> moin holyolli 22:42 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA925E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8 all") 22:42 < daja77> bye tcr 22:42 < daja77> ts 22:42 < fake> sleep? NOW?! 22:42 < fake> must be ill... 22:42 < daja77> well he is a kid 22:42 < holyolli> fake: mittagsschlaf... ;-) 22:42 < daja77> :) 22:42 < fake> holyolli: most likely 22:43 < fake> holyolli: btw, how's piloting? 22:43 < holyolli> fake: not that much atm...theory....and that sucks.. ;) 22:43 < daja77> oh no the evil subversion guys are palnning 0.29 22:43 < daja77> planning 22:44 < holyolli> fake: we have our final and official theory exam at the beginning of january...so i can't again come to ccc because of exams :((( 22:44 < fake> holyolli: :( 22:44 < daja77> wtf 22:44 < holyolli> but i'll be there at least a day 22:45 < daja77> i mean which university does exams in january, that is sick 22:45 < holyolli> daja77: it's no university..thats the problem... 22:45 < holyolli> daja77: it's some kind of private school 22:45 < daja77> oh ic 22:46 < holyolli> and the exam is even a official one from the government..and they have them monthly.. 22:46 < daja77> still sick 22:46 < holyolli> ack. 05. 'til 07. of january 22:48 < holyolli> btw. is there any 'official' way to unset variables during compile of a package? 23:03 < mnemoc> you can do that using the hooks 23:03 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.141.202.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:05 < mnemoc> what do you want to unset? 23:05 < fake> var_remove ? 23:05 < fake> var_remove_before_regex is kewl ;) 23:06 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:06 < mnemoc> i did that :) 23:06 < fake> i know *g* 23:06 < mnemoc> :P 23:06 < holyolli> for gettext, there're some vars which make the build brake with alpha 23:07 < fake> brake? 23:07 < fake> like it is slower afterwards? 23:07 < fake> *g* 23:07 < holyolli> but they are in the $confopt-var 23:07 < holyolli> fake: ;-P 23:07 < holyolli> .oO(english for runaways - englisch fuer fortgeschrittene... ) 23:07 < holyolli> ;-) 23:08 < fake> var_remove variable "" "--what-you-dont-want" 23:08 < fake> or something like taht 23:08 < holyolli> hm. i try it..thx 23:08 < fake> where variable is the variable you want to modify 23:08 < mnemoc> var_remove removes a 'token' from a list 23:08 < fake> "" is the seperator char (think PATH) 23:08 < mnemoc> ':' 23:08 < fake> exactly. 23:09 < holyolli> i c 23:09 < fake> var_append to add it again 23:09 < fake> special cases like before that but after that... with _{before,after}_regex 23:10 < fake> see source for examples ;) 23:10 < mnemoc> var_remove works with regexps 23:10 < holyolli> ok. i think that solves my prob..thx 23:11 < fake> mnemoc: really? i thought it justs splits the var into fields by the separator and then removes the one matching the last argument 23:12 < fake> local a=${2//\/\\/} 23:12 < fake> local b=${3//\/\\/} 23:12 < fake> eval '[ "$'$1'" = "$3" ] && '$1'="" || true' 23:12 < fake> eval $1'="${'$1'//$a$b$a/$2}"' 23:12 < fake> eval $1'="${'$1'%$a$b}"' 23:12 < fake> eval $1'="${'$1'#$b$a}"' 23:12 < fake> that's var_remove *g* 23:15 < mnemoc> then thre is var_remove_regex or something like that ;= 23:20 < mnemoc> yep var_remove removes an specific token 23:21 < mnemoc> and var_remove_regex removes (first? all?) matches of the expression 23:23 < holyolli> args..every svn update they change the config-files that way that it doesn't work anymore on archs like alpha 23:25 < daja77> Ge0rG: everythink ok? 23:25 < Ge0rG> daja77: sure 23:26 < Ge0rG> daja77: alita wanted me to stop and so I did ;) 23:26 < Ge0rG> now I'm not able to say anything 23:26 < daja77> you are strange, man 23:26 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 23:27 < fake> Ge0rG: battle angel alita? 23:28 < daja77> yeah :) 23:28 < Ge0rG> daja77: am I? 23:29 < daja77> yes sort of 23:30 < Ge0rG> I just wanted to have some fun with you all. 23:30 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:30 < daja77> ic 23:34 < Ge0rG> and now I have to be silent :] 23:36 < daja77> well i don't mind you saying sth 23:37 < Ge0rG> daja77: but the server does 23:38 < daja77> yeah you did great work 23:38 < Ge0rG> yes. wanted to be really sure 23:42 < fake> what's going on? 23:43 < daja77> Ge0rG banned himself from a chan 23:45 < fake> oh, i see 23:48 -!- Mike1 [~mike@200.9.45.19] has joined #rocklinux 23:48 < Mike1> hello 23:49 < daja77> hi Mike1 23:49 < Mike1> hi daja77 23:55 < rammi> mike.. nice IP :) 23:58 < Mike1> rammi: what's the big deal about it? 23:58 * fake pulling new photos 23:58 < Mike1> hi fake 23:58 < fake> hi Mike! 23:58 < holyolli> Mike1!!!! 23:58 < rxr> re 23:58 < rxr> hi Mike1 23:58 < fake> hi rene 23:58 < holyolli> Mike1: como estas? 23:58 < rammi> nothing.. only. i didnt seen any IP like yours.. 23:58 < Mike1> alcoholy!!! bien y tu? 23:59 < Mike1> hi rxr 23:59 < holyolli> Mike1: muy bien...esta fin de semana ;-) 23:59 < Mike1> rammi: well i try to keep my self original :) 23:59 < Mike1> holyolli: how is theory doing? 23:59 < holyolli> Mike1: boooooring ;-) 23:59 < holyolli> Mike1: but it's oaky 23:59 < rammi> nice.. nice .. :) --- Log closed Sat Sep 06 00:00:02 2003