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--- Log opened Mon Sep 08 00:00:22 2003
00:07 < _spectre_> gn8
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00:30 < rxr> re
00:30 < rxr> strange - the sparc freezed again during SCSI cd-writing
00:31 < rxr> the adaptec card with the U160 IBM disk works flawlessly for months - but the symbios s.th. makes the kernel freeze sometimes
00:31 < rxr> althought the symbios cards should work better in SPARC due to original equ. shipped by SUN ...
00:31 < rxr> strange stragner ...
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01:20 < jsaw> re
01:21 < daja77> wb jsaw 
01:22 < jsaw> hi daja77 
01:28 < daja77> *hmpf*
01:28 < esden> ohh my god ... why are there div, ldiv and lldiv functions ... they are fully superflous!!!
01:29 < esden> *argh*
01:29 * -> esden kicks some nasm coders
01:29 < esden> argh and they also use this sys/statfs.h header ... god ... >_<
01:29 < esden> this is called linux/statfs.h for god's sake!!!
01:30 < esden> ahh ok ... these are lilo coders with that statfs stuff
01:30 < esden> they/he is also damn braindead
01:30 < esden> they are using two different assembler programs to compile that thing
01:31 < esden> >_<
01:31 < esden> ARGL
01:36 < daja77> argl 3 spaces as delimiter sucks
01:37 < esden> daja77: use python theny you have tripple quotes ... 
01:38 * daja77 kicks esden
01:38 < esden> do not kick me .. kick the python language designer(s)
01:39 < daja77> i kick you for suggesting python
01:39 < esden> that was no serious suggestion
01:40 < daja77> that was no _serious_ kick
01:41 < esden> hehe 
01:43 < daja77> hmm rtfm'ing works ...
01:45 < mnemoc> that depends of the meaning of the 'f' :)
01:45 < esden> ok ... I go to bed
01:45 < esden> good night folks
01:45 < esden> I finish fixing lilo other time
01:45 < daja77> n8 esden 
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01:51 < mnemoc> alvaro? what the hell are u doing here?
01:52 < amc_scl> >:(
01:53 < amc_scl> I u want, I can go...
01:53 < amc_scl> brb
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01:54 < mnemoc> :(
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01:56 < daja77> huh, have i missed sth?
01:58 < daja77> weee the little perl helper script for parsing the cd index works now, so i can finish cd label creation soon
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02:07 * daja77 off to bed cu
02:08 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
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02:52 < rxr> oh my god
02:52 < rxr> 80.56 GB already this month on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
02:53 < jsaw> hehe
02:53 < rxr> in 7 days ... ?!?
02:53 < rxr> hi jsaw 
02:53 < jsaw> hi rxr
02:53 < rxr> jsaw: I hope you like my python cleanup ...
02:53 < jsaw> I love it.
02:56 < rxr> I hope to can finally tag -rc1+fixes
02:56 < rxr> this entesive PowerPC fixing is already getting on my nerves ...
02:57 < acm_scl> hi rxc, which machine is that? a rs6k kind ?
02:57 < jsaw> btw fixing. I think gcc-3.3.1 is hopeless unless we patch gcc-3.3.1 itself. E.g. X11: libXaw.so: undefined reference .L99 (which is a lost label due to a compiler error...)
03:01 < mnemoc> i have some questions about Update-System: does it use /etc/ROCK-CONFIG? does it detect current installed pacakges? should/can i hack /etc/ROCK-CONFIG or can i tune a new config?
03:02 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
03:02 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
03:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: what do you think about the gcc33 thing?
03:06 < mnemoc> i don't have a clean picture of what you r talking about :( sorry
03:06 < jsaw> have you seen the XFree error when compiled with gcc33?
03:06 < mnemoc> i use it successfully in my ttargets but i don't use X11
03:06 < jsaw> ah, I see...
03:06 < mnemoc> :D
03:07 < rxr> acm_scl: yes - rs6000 (B50) and iBook (2)
03:07 < rxr> since I have the rs6k I only compile the official ISOs on this one 
03:08 < rxr> and now I reboot into the new ISO ... - cu in some minutes ...
03:08 < mnemoc> acm_scl: why don't you use your real nick? :-\
03:08 < jsaw> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11350
03:08 < acm_scl> uhmm
03:09 < acm_scl> rxr how is the size of the iso? or isos
03:10 < rxr> acm_scl: three ISOs
03:10 < rxr> the first two are full - the third has 200MB (IIRC)
03:10 < rxr> but smaller builds are possible ...
03:10 < acm_scl> doh, uhmm.. with x11 and all
03:11 < rxr> acm_scl: yes kde31, gnome2, multimedia stuff - all
03:11 < rxr> over 600 packages I think ...
03:11 < rxr> but as I wrote - smaller minimal builds fitting in 100MB are possible ....
03:11 < mnemoc> rxr: xfce4 will fill the third ;)
03:11 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - but this build does not include it - since the desktop target does not include it (yet)
03:16 < rxr> acm_scl: you need s.th. small for rs6k on server systems?
03:17 < acm_scl> I have a old rs6k, f50, 4 processors 160 mhz, maybe 2.. but, just asking...
03:17 < mnemoc> Fw: i have some questions about Update-System: does it use /etc/ROCK-CONFIG? does it detect current installed pacakges? should/can i hack /etc/ROCK-CONFIG or can i tune a new config?
03:18 < rxr> mnemoc: it does not use /etc/ROCK-CONFIG
03:18 < rxr> it uses the config specifed (or default only? I need to take a look)
03:19 < rxr> it checks for installed pacakges - it decides on the installed version whether to update the package or not
03:19 < rxr> but currentlu it has the limitation (read bug IMHO) that it installs all non-installed packages - it is on my todo for the next days to fix tis
03:20 < mnemoc> it's a bug to not use /etc/ROCK-CONFIG too because you miss target and base optimizations 
03:21 < rxr> well it is the question if it should not be possible to select new optimizations ...
03:21 < rxr> but I do not care about this - I could also make it use /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ...
03:21 < mnemoc> :)
03:35 < rxr> arh the new dialog is defective
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04:14 < mnemoc> kiki_!! :)
04:18 < rxr> :-)
04:18 * rxr just stressed the svn folk again ...
04:19 < rxr> the next PowerPC build
04:19 < jsaw> go, rxr, go
04:19 < rxr> if I really finish the ISO tonight ...
04:19 < rxr> mnemoc: btw have you checked if I applied the incremental boehm pach (or what it was you asked for)?
04:20 < rxr> I do not remeber that I received it ...
04:20 < mnemoc> yes it does...
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04:21 < mnemoc> but i'll send a couple of patches soon
04:21 < mnemoc> boehm's will be included :)
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05:04 < rxr> jsaw: are you alive?
05:05 < rxr> mp3info-0.8.4# patch -p1 < ../package/rene/mp3info/hotfix.patch
05:05 < rxr> patching file gmp3info.c
05:05 < rxr> Hunk #1 FAILED at 79.
05:05 < rxr> Hunk #2 FAILED at 482.
05:05 < rxr> I delete the gcc33 patch - could you rework it - thanks ...
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05:08 < rxr> hi DeadInPlastic 
05:10 < jsaw_> rxr: alive
05:10 < jsaw_> checking...
05:13 < jsaw_> fsck dos formatted files in mp3info.... argl
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05:14 < mnemoc> can diff handle ^M?
05:15 < jsaw_> root@voyager:/user/rock/compile/mp3info-0.8.4# patch -p1 < hotfix.patch 
05:15 < jsaw_> (Stripping trailing CRs from patch.)
05:15 < mnemoc> =)
05:19 < rxr> jsaw_: does it work for you?
05:21 < jsaw_> I did, originally. But it does not work anymore. Did the copyright addition recode it?
05:21 < rxr> jsaw_: oh - that is an idea ... :-(((((((((((
05:23 < DeadInPlastic> rxr:hi
05:26 < mnemoc> mmm... Create-CopyPatch will not understand a dos file :-\
05:29 < jsaw_> rxr: patch sent
05:29 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
05:30 < mnemoc> what about i think plain/text will remove those ^Ms
05:30 < mnemoc> s/what about//g
05:30 < jsaw> hmmm... let's see what ends up on the ml
05:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: you are right.
05:33 < mnemoc> what about storing unix patch but generate a dos file on build time using something like sed -e 's,\(.*\),\1\r,g' ?
05:33 < jsaw> rxr: obviously my mailer or what mnemoc said removes the dos line-feeds
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05:34 < rxr> if it is the copy patch we need either fix it - or store it as .diff and apply it manually
05:34 < rxr> jsaw: send it was non Text/*
05:34 < rxr> or bzip it before ...
05:39 < jsaw> bzipped, sent.
05:41 < jsaw> I have to kick (the)? evolution (guys)?. This is a very old bug...
05:41 < mnemoc> i wonder how CopyPatch will handle it
05:50 < jsaw> gotta go, cu l8r
05:51 < mnemoc> cu
06:04 < mnemoc> great! one hour after i send the patch a new version of keepalived is released :|
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06:12 < acm_kiki> haha, bad luck
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06:59 < mnemoc> congratulations rene!! great fixing work :)
07:00 < mnemoc> btw, how much do u take in building a reference?? i can't believe what i see
07:07 < rxr> thanks
07:07 < rxr> what do you mean with "how much do u take in building a reference" ?
07:08 < rxr> you mean what a reference build is
07:08 < rxr> ?
07:09 < rxr> take a look into the official included target/reference - it builds everytink which is non-optional
07:09 < rxr> this are currently 902 packages
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07:12 < rxr> hi scoopexH 
07:14 < rxr> maybe I move to bed now
07:15 < rxr> cu
07:17 < mnemoc> how much time do you take to build a reference target? :|
07:17 < mnemoc> my english is everyday worst :(
07:18 < mnemoc> worst everyday
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07:40 < n00kie_> __mnemoc: Well
07:40 < n00kie_> It's still better then mine. :-)
08:10 < __mnemoc> :)
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08:48 < scythe_> hi
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09:08 < [anders]> moin zusammen
09:08 < scythe_> mornin
09:09 < [anders]> lo scythe_
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09:10 < scythe_> can u tell me where can i find an uptoda list of mirrors? scripts/Download caould not find a ton of packages...
09:11 < scythe_> and it's a lousy keyboard iam using.
09:11 < [anders]> scythe_: no idea.. last version of ROCK I use(d) was/is 1.4.0
09:11 < scythe_> thx
09:11 < [anders]> surely there is something on the webpages..
09:13 < [anders]> scythe_: hmm.. if you look at https://www.rocklinux.org/download.html there might be an ISO on LocalHero's site where you would get the lot...
09:13 < scythe_> oh, i *need* to build rock on mz own.. iam porting ;-) i just dont know it yet...
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09:47 < esden> good morning everyone
09:48 < [anders]> lo esden
09:48 < scythe_> hi esden
09:56 < esden> wooho ... lilo fixed ;)
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10:15 < Mike1> moin
10:15 < n00kie> Heya Mike1 :)
10:16 < Mike1> hello little n00kie 
10:16 < n00kie> :)
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10:20 * scythe_ 3 hrs coffee break...
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10:21 < Mike1> hi blindy
10:23 < esden> ok ... /me buring new version of dietilbc target iso ;)
10:23 < esden> hi Mike1 !! *hug*
10:23 < esden> hi blindcoder *hug*
10:23 < esden> !!
10:23 < esden> ;-)
10:24 < esden> hmm ... I think that was only bc's ghost ;)
10:24 < Mike1> well if it works for anything this is not my ghost this is the real me :)
10:25 < Mike1> and Hi esden btw :)
10:26 < esden> Mike1: I said that to blindy's reconnect ... I already know that you are not a ghost ;)
10:27 < Mike1> am i really that predictable?
10:28 < n00kie> Eterm really sucks
10:28 < Mike1> n00kie: you are kidding me right?
10:28 < n00kie> ?
10:28 < n00kie> I compile the program with pixmap support and Eterm says it got compiled without pixmap support
10:29 < n00kie> :/
10:29 < esden> n00kie: that is nothing new ... eterm has it's own mind ;)
10:29 < n00kie> yea
10:29 < n00kie> Aterm is better
10:29 < esden> ack
10:29 * -> esden sending out another bunch of dietlibc patches
10:29 < Mike1> console rulez :)
10:31 < n00kie> Well
10:31 < n00kie> TWM is cool
10:31 < n00kie> But it has a "problem"
10:31 < n00kie> it doesn't lets me set the background
10:31 < esden> do setroot
10:31 < esden> or how the program is called
10:32 < esden> ahh it is called xsetroot=
10:32 < esden> -=
10:32 < n00kie> xsetroot doesn't works
10:32 < esden> o_O
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10:33 < n00kie> xsetroot -background Images/Wallpaper/Ocean_City.jpg 
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10:33 < n00kie> But I still have my crappy background
10:33 < esden> o_O
10:33 < esden> strange
10:33 < esden> then try bsetroot
10:34 < n00kie> I don't have bsetroot
10:34 < n00kie> o_O
10:34 < n00kie> `/usr/X11R6/bin/bsetroot': No such file or directory
10:35 < esden> hmm it is included in blackbox
10:35 < esden> or in fluxbox
10:36 < n00kie> I haven't installed one of that programs :-P
10:36 < n00kie> Only IceWM
10:36 < esden> yuck ;)
10:36 < n00kie> pah
10:36 < n00kie> IceWM rocks
10:37 < esden> nope fluxbox and wmaker rule
10:37 < n00kie> wmaker is cool, yes
10:37 < n00kie> But fluxbox
10:37 < n00kie> No
10:37 < esden> :P
10:37 < n00kie> Fluxbox is so overloaded
10:37 < esden> FLAMEWAR! ;)
10:37 < n00kie> lol
10:37 < n00kie> I just want to see the Windowborders
10:37 < n00kie> Not a taskbar like in fluxbox
10:38 < esden> kame hame ha (on n00kie)
10:38 * n00kie "weicht" out ;)
10:38 < esden> you can hide it
10:38 < n00kie> No
10:38 < n00kie> The Kame Hame Ha hits blindcoder :)
10:39 < esden> oups
10:40 < n00kie> Damn it.
10:40 < n00kie> I want to have a backgroundimage.
10:40 < n00kie> I can't work without :P
10:44 < esden> hehe
10:44 < esden> ok, dietlibc patches out
10:44 < esden> now I take a shower
10:44 < n00kie> Have fun
10:49 * blindcoder awakes from his sleep, slaps everyone with his GitS-`icewbg`-background and falls back to sleep
10:58 < esden> blindcoder: o_O
10:59 < esden> blindcoder: so you slap yourself?
11:03 < esden> ok ... the tag is now there ... tonight my dietlibc stuff is hopefully in the tree ... WEEE ;)
11:12 * -> esden driving to uni
11:12 < esden> cu l8er
11:14 < n00kie> have fun
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11:31 < hopelessOwl> hi
11:35 < [anders]> lo Owl
11:35 < Mike1> owlita
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11:39 < hopelessOwl> hi [anders] , Mike1 
11:40 < cchamilt> hi all
11:41 < blindcoder> *yawn*
11:41 < blindcoder> moin moin all
11:42 < Mike1> moin cchamilt 
11:42 < cchamilt> bc: where did lpp go?
11:42 < Mike1> moin blindy too
11:42 < blindcoder> Mike1: moin!
11:42 < cchamilt> mike1: how are you doing?
11:43 < blindcoder> cchamilt: stil on my disk. I still have to shut up init at boot-time to make it usable
11:43 < cchamilt> bc:ahh
11:43 < Mike1> cchamilt: very good thanks and u ? its have been really a _LONG_ time
11:43 < cchamilt> mike1: still floundering.
11:44 < blindcoder> cchamilt: also, I just came back from Fuerteventura 2 days ago :-)
11:44 < blindcoder> So I'm still catching up on what changed in ROCK
11:44 < Mike1> cchamilt: query
11:44 < blindcoder> but first, it's breakfast now (11:45 AM)
11:44 < blindcoder> see you later!
11:45 < cchamilt> ok bye
11:45 < hopelessOwl> hi blindcoder 
11:45 < Mike1> damn its nearly 4 am here i really need to sleep
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11:49 < cchamilt> How is ur fork coming owl?
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12:16 < _spectre_> moin
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13:45 < daja77> re
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14:33 < owl> *yawn*
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15:07 < esden> re hi all
15:10 < owl> hi esden 
15:13 < __mnemoc> hi owl, esden, daja
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16:48 < rolla> yawn
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17:13 < daja77> hi rolla 
17:13 < esden> re hi all
17:14 < daja77> hi esden!
17:15 < daja77> https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~chu/banner/
17:15 < daja77> call for votes :)
17:16 < esden> I vote for 5
17:17 < daja77> thx
17:19 < A-Tui> hola
17:19 < daja77> hola A-Tui 
17:20 < A-Tui> one question, crt1.o is a glibc file true?
17:20 < Freak> duh. daja77: 7 w/o scanlines.
17:21 < Freak> scanlines are like.. soooooo not.
17:22 < daja77> Freak: hm?
17:22 < Freak> the horizontal lines
17:22 < Freak> rrrrremove them.
17:22 < Freak> they're yuckie.
17:22 < daja77> so you like which banner?
17:22 < Freak> seven. but I said that before.
17:22 < daja77> oh i missed that ...
17:23 < Freak> actually I dont like that 3d-something at all.
17:23 < Freak> but if I have to choose from these eight, I choose seven w/o scanlines.
17:23 < daja77> ok
17:23 < Freak> and I don't like the blue thing because it looks.. like windows 95
17:24 < daja77> erh, not really
17:24 < Freak> and besides, blue and dark blue don't .. fit.
17:24 < Freak> and dark blue and yello neither
17:24 < Freak> but hey it's just my opinion ;)
17:24 < daja77> hehehe
17:25 < daja77> well that 3d thing is from the front page https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag
17:25 < Freak> but in the banner it's pretty much crippled
17:26 < Freak> looks like some transparency issue
17:26 < Freak> or like some designer didn't keep the original file.
17:26 < daja77> indeed the banners are from another person
17:27 < Freak> look, on the front page this 3dthingie is very smooth. in the gifs it has like..
17:27 < daja77> guess just doin a static version out of the animated would be good
17:27 < Freak> scharfe kanten
17:27 < daja77> ok got it
17:28 < Freak> actually the front page's 3dthingie is pretty nice.
17:31 < daja77> yepp i like it too
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17:41 < esden> nice ... I like vmware ;)
17:58 < esden> urgh ... on the rocklinux installdisk sd module is missing!!!
17:58 < esden> that is VERY bad
18:04 < daja77> hmm not the only problem with installdisk according to ml
18:07 < esden> yes I know
18:07 < daja77> :(
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18:12 < esden> perfect ... now mine crashed in vmware >_<
18:12 < esden> *GRRR*
18:12 < esden> I should get a newer version of vmware
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18:28 < esden> ok getting version 4.0
18:30 < daja77> you are rich, no?
18:35 < esden> can somebody tell me in which packet I can find lspci?
18:35 < esden> daja77: no ... I have all I need on the servers here in studentenstadt ;)
18:36 < daja77> lol
18:37 < esden> daja77: do you have a windows box somewhere by hand?
18:37 < daja77> no
18:37 < esden> someone else?
18:38 < esden> I only need someone to run the keygenerator for vmware for me ;)
18:38 < daja77> __mnemoc should have one ...
18:40 < esden> ping __mnemoc ...
18:42 < esden> daja77: could you check in which packet is lspci please?
18:44 < n00kie_> esden: coreutils?
18:44 < n00kie_> or util linux
18:44 < n00kie_> dunno
18:45 < daja77> pciutils
18:53 < esden> thanks
18:53 < esden> n00kie_: dont you have a windows machine around?
18:56 < daja77> hehe, can't you run this in wine
18:58 < esden> ok ... I got one from astalavista
18:58 < daja77> :)
19:03 < esden> ahh that 4.0 looks nice ... but it only supports scsi disks as it seems ...
19:04 < n00kie_> esden: No
19:04 < n00kie_> :)
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19:14 < holyolli> moin
19:20 < esden> hi holyolli 
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19:30 * -> esden trying to add sd driver to the kernel on the bootdisc ... 
19:30 < holyolli_> huhu esden
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20:13 < rammi> hi
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20:20 < esden> hi rammi 
20:22 < rammi> esden: hi
20:22 < tcr> moin all
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20:57 < owl> moin
20:58 < esden> hi owl
20:59 < owl> hi esdy
21:11 * -> esden once more attacked the perl fixing ... >_<
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21:16 < RaphaelL> hello all
21:16 < tcr> Moin
21:16 < RaphaelL> do you know if mono-0.26 is working already?
21:17 < RaphaelL> currently 0.25 works fine
21:17 < tcr> You should ask __mnemoc, he's maintaing that package
21:17 < RaphaelL> yes, will do that
21:17 < tcr> On the other hand he seems to be away, so you should better wait a bit
21:18 < RaphaelL> yes, noticed it
21:39 < owl> hi RaphaelL tcr 
21:44 < RaphaelL> hi owl
21:49 < daja77> re
21:49 < owl> hi daja77 
21:50 < daja77> hi owl
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22:24 < rxr> re
22:24 < daja77> wb rxr
22:24 < esden> hi rxr
22:25 < daja77> bbl
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22:26 < rxr> hi esden daja77 *
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22:41 < rxr> hi ripclaw!
22:41 < ripclaw> helo
22:41 < ripclaw> hi rxr
22:41 < esden> hi ripclaw 
22:41 < ripclaw> hi esden
22:41 < esden> why have you not been on chaos camp? ;)
22:41 < esden> you planned to be there IIRC
22:42 < ripclaw> told fake already, but for the record - i fell in the shower due to a "kreislaufkollaps" and hit my leg and head badly.
22:42 < esden> ohh ... that is really bad
22:42 < esden> I am sorry for you
22:43 < ripclaw> have a missing week in memory, and a still somewhat numb leg, its like having a leg sleep due to lack of blood, but more permanently.
22:43 < rxr> ripclaw: I upload new PPC ISOs ...
22:43 < esden> I have not receved that information from fake ... or I somehow have not registred that ...
22:43 < ripclaw> there is a patch of nerves in the skin layer defektive.
22:43 < ripclaw> rxr: thnks - i`ll plug the new disk into the G4.
22:44 < ripclaw> esden: you still into java coding ?
22:44 < rxr> I think the upload still takes from hours to finish
22:44 < esden> ripclaw: if I can omit that I am not coding java ...
22:44 < rxr> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/
22:44 < ripclaw> rxr: i can still download them tomorrow, but i`ll better plug disks now, before i forget.
22:44 < esden> but why are you asking?
22:44 < ripclaw> rxr thnkx.
22:45 < ripclaw> esden: i would need someone to do a small java app for me.
22:45 < esden> ripclaw: what kind?
22:46 < ripclaw> esden: time tracking, expense tracking, etc. it all is avialable in c, but i`ld have to fix 10+ gui kits...
22:46 < esden> ohh ... I think that I am the wrong person to ask then ...
22:46 < ripclaw> esden i`m tired of doing my stuff in paper and then coding it to 4 diff formats.
22:47 < ripclaw> esden - any idea ? its just a few tables and input/output format stuff.
22:47 < esden> I used some time tracking tool written in perl some time ago
22:48 < esden> run it on a server ... it is text only
22:49 < ripclaw> problems: i have no server, i have sometimes very limited to non-existent inet access
22:49 < esden> but I have no idea who to ask currently ... besides fake who is really good in java
22:49 < ripclaw> maybe fake is a good idea. you know if he still awake ?
22:49 < esden> hmm .. I think he is
22:50 < esden> but he is croatia currently
22:50 < ripclaw> rxr - will it have performance input if i start leeching some of the iso there ?
22:50 < esden> so it may be expensive for him when you call him now
22:50 < ripclaw> esden - thats no good.
22:50 < esden> he should be back by the end of the week
22:50 < ripclaw> esden - he`ll be paying pain money.
22:51 < ripclaw> ack
22:51 < ripclaw> balsa gets so fscking slow when handling mailboxes over 10k mails.
22:51 < esden> argh ... fscking perl configuration system !!! 
22:51 < ripclaw> ok, we are going for censorship award :-)
22:52 < ripclaw> anyone know what happened to cvs.openbsd.org ?
22:52 < rxr> ripclaw: you mean if it will be fast? Yes - on a 155MBit backbone (but only via 100MBit eth ...)
22:52 < ripclaw> rxr - will i make you trouble if i download while you upload ?
22:53 < ripclaw> rxr in that case i rather not download while you upload
22:53 < ripclaw> rxr and download at a later time
22:53 < rxr> ripclaw: nope - but you might get half files ...
22:53 < rxr> mom I need to havk the SPARC to swith the VT and I can tell you if it finished ...
22:53 < ripclaw> rxr iso1 and iso2 look complete already .
22:54 < rxr> hm - I guess all are complete since they show up - rsync first sincs into temp files ...
22:56 < ripclaw> rxr 220mb for the iso3 correct?
22:56 < rxr> jups
22:57 < ripclaw> rxr there is a file  drock-2.0.0-rc1+fixes-revXYZ-ppc-powerpc-750_cd1.iso with 200k only. looks weird.
22:57 < ripclaw> rxr starting download, thnks.
23:00 < rxr> ripclaw: did you got my email?
23:01 < ripclaw> rxr mail still loading, have about 500 mails left - which one ? ddr ram and sparc blinks ?
23:01 < ripclaw> rxr with the sparc the order of blinks is important, just looking at mine and counting
23:03 < rxr> yes that one
23:04 < rxr> is this not specific enought:
23:04 < rxr> 10x Caps Lock
23:04 < rxr> 1x Scroll Lock
23:04 < rxr> 6x Caps Lock
23:05 < ripclaw> no. the order makes the difference for debug codes - basically how many times do all lights syncronously go on ?
23:06 < ripclaw> first time is cpu initialized, 2nd time is prom image loaded, 3rd time is peripheral detection, 4th time is init memeory / successfull ok,
23:06 < ripclaw> every single blink between that is some message.
23:06 < esden> hahaha ... I did it ... I now know how to get that fscking value right!!!
23:06 < ripclaw> i have no table on that.
23:08 < ripclaw> rxr is that 10-1-6 code in order of appearance ?
23:10 < rxr> yes first 10x caps-lock, then one flash scroll-lock and then finally 6x caps-lock
23:10 < rxr> I hope the first 10x are correct - they flash fast enought to be difficult
23:11 < rxr> but I think the more imprtant ones are the ones after the one scroll flash?
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23:12 < rxr> ripclaw: yes rsync finished completely - just took a look
23:12 < ripclaw> no. thats definitely an error code. it should be one light, all lights, then cycling the lights, all lights, cycle etc. rxr
23:12 < ripclaw> rxr iso1 downloading
23:14 < daja77> re
23:14 < ripclaw> rxr 10-1-6 should be memory access - either cpu or memory is loose, try removing and cleaning the dimms, check wether they have same speed and numbers like 4044 or 1043 etc. for size notes on the dimm30
23:14 < ripclaw> re daga
23:14 < ripclaw> re daja
23:14 < daja77> :)
23:15 < esden> re daja77 
23:15 < esden> argh my milk is empty ... I have to buy another 12l tomorrow!
23:15 < rxr> ripclaw: ok - do you stay some more minutes for later Qs regarding the SPARC?
23:15 < daja77> i have some rotten here ...
23:18 < ripclaw> rxr i am online for maybe another 30 minutes or more. you can still ring me up on the mobile anytime later, but after 2 in the morn local i might be angry :)
23:18 < rxr> ripclaw: how do I get the RAM out of this special sockets safety?
23:19 < ripclaw> rxr - the dimm30 are locked at one edge by a metal clip or by a plastic clip - use a flathead screwdriver to slightly press the clip, and see wether you can remove the dimm
23:20 < ripclaw> if that is not the case you have the 30 degree flip assembly, in which case the dimms are flipped 30 degrees to one side before removal.
23:20 < ripclaw> rxr i dont know which one is in your ss2
23:22 < ripclaw> rxr right now looking up picture at https://www.black-cube.net:8000/Sun/
23:25 < rxr> they are not 30° flipped
23:26 < rxr> there seem to be tiny plastik noses - but it is rahter difficult to get those out
23:27 < ripclaw> try a small flathead screwdriver on one end and asymetrically lifting them out. may need some force, they where pretty tight.
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23:29 < ripclaw> .. pushing the flatheadd between dimm and noseclip
23:29 < ripclaw> maybe use a flachzange to hold the dimm at a non-essential edge.
23:31 < rxr> this is unbelieveable - how can getting a DIMM out of a box be so difficult ...
23:32 < ripclaw> they are still brute-force design stage. its fscking hard to get in or out on some earlier suns.
23:36 < rxr> yes a "zange
23:36 < rxr> " was of help
23:37 * ripclaw chuckles
23:37 < rxr> I pulled out the first four and have three different modules in front of me ...
23:37 < ripclaw> rxr yes they are some btchy pieces.
23:37 < ripclaw> check the strings on the modules for numbers
23:37 < rxr> the first one orignial SUN
23:38 < ripclaw> something 4044-50ns
23:38 < rxr> the second and third Clearpoint with Siemens chips
23:38 < esden> perl building once more ... I WANT THAT CRAP TO COMPILE FOR GOD'S SAKE
23:38 < rxr> (ok the SUN also has Siemens chips)
23:38 < rxr> and the fourth is a Matushita or so ...
23:39 < ripclaw> rxr  what matters is the size code and the dimm speed, you can mix any type, as long as those fit.
23:40 < ripclaw> maybe try using one bank only with minimum dimms
23:40 < rxr> ~~~A-70
23:40 < rxr> 511000A-70
23:41 < rxr> 511000-85
23:41 < rxr> dito
23:41 < ripclaw> 1100 is one meg, one chip has 70ns, the other 85ns timing
23:41 < rxr> yes - I know ...
23:41 < ripclaw> try using blocks of four with one speed only
23:42 < rxr> this will not work out? or will the sparc use the slowest one found?
23:42 < rxr> in which order do the various slots need to be filled
23:42 < rxr> ?
23:42 < rxr> is the last in each block some cache or so?
23:42 < ripclaw> this is ss2 memmanager, iirc it will use 70 only. is ther a number besides the slots ?
23:42 < rxr> it is totally different RAM ...
23:43 < ripclaw> thats parity ram, either 8+1 or 2+1 chips
23:43 < ripclaw> or 4+1
23:43 < ripclaw> how many of one kind do you have max ?
23:46 < rxr> I only pulled out the first four
23:46 < rxr> I think I have 4x 70ns
23:46 < rxr> and 8x 85ns ...
23:47 < rxr> the last one in each of the four blocks is a parity only slot?
23:48 < ripclaw> no. the dimm itself has a parity chip. the block is four inter-leaved dimms.
23:48 < ripclaw> try leaving out the 85s
23:49 < ripclaw> and try with 4 dimms only, adding more only if it works.
23:51 < rxr> oh - it is getting even more messier
23:52 < rxr> the next block starts with 80nd and 85 ns ...
23:52 < rxr> hm but I have four really strange RAMs
23:52 < rxr> Matushita (or so) and the full numbers are:
23:53 < rxr> M5M41000AJ
23:53 < rxr> 9283JOT -10
23:54 < ripclaw> 4100 is 4mb matsushita, no known time code, 9283 may be a 256kb 100ns not sure
23:57 < rxr> the both rows above belong together - they are from one chip
23:57 < rxr> it seems I have rather less 70ns chips - most are 80 or 85 ...
23:58 < ripclaw> hm. then try one sort of it first, like 85, usbid.com has no entry on them anymore...
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