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--- Log opened Wed Sep 17 00:00:03 2003 00:00 < rxr> maybe I should patent to nuking companies with patents ... or disabling companies by patents ... 00:00 < daja77> hehe 00:00 < [n00b]Wibra> hmm, i wanna have colors in ls, without typing ls -color everytime 00:01 < daja77> hmm mbr still messed up 00:01 < daja77> could that be a crappy hd? 00:01 < rxr> did grubworked the last time ? 00:02 < daja77> yes it worked with beta6 00:02 < daja77> even lilo failed with rc1 00:05 < rxr> strange - on both where no changes done (at least not in STONE) and both are tested on my box ... 00:05 < daja77> yes it worked on another box too 00:05 < rxr> it is your generic -rc1? Was it tested elsewhere = 00:06 < daja77> yes mine, tested elsewhere 00:06 < daja77> guess i will have a look at mbr 00:07 -!- [n00b]Wibra [wibra@D5E0A798.kabel.telenet.be] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:17 < daja77> nice nickserv is back online 00:19 < Freak> rxr: matter, right :) 00:22 < daja77> <- pissed by hw once again 00:24 -!- clifford [~clifford@M118P010.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:26 < daja77> hi clifford 00:28 < clifford> hi daja77. 00:31 < daja77> i should never let it happen (that a laptop was bought at vobis ...) 00:31 < rxr> re 00:32 < fake> hi clifford ! 00:33 < daja77> a sleepness night to everyone :) 00:44 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:46 < jsaw> rxr: okay. I'll have a look into it l8r this night. 00:47 -!- tsa [tsa@pD9FF9B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:47 < tsa> msg nickserv identify cyra23 00:47 < tsa> argh 00:47 < fake> URGH 00:47 < fake> tsa... *slap* 00:47 < tsa> indeed. 00:48 < daja77> ts 00:48 < rxr> tsa: you at least know your passwd - I forgot mine (btw. it is not the one I wrote down ...) 00:48 < tsa> -NickServ- Your password has been changed to ... 00:49 < rxr> tsa: your new password is missing in the line above ... 00:49 < tsa> hehe 00:50 < rxr> hi tsa ! 00:50 < daja77> who wants to be named tsa anyway 00:50 * daja77 hides 00:51 < tsa> rxr: did you already commit the openslp package? 00:51 < rxr> nope - but I will in the next minutes 00:51 < tsa> ok, just one small change.. 00:52 < tsa> put it into the build before all the kde stuff - kde 3.2.0 alpha1 uses openslp optionally 00:53 < tsa> unsure about kde 3.1 00:53 < rxr> I feel a bit unhappy about a Caldere licensed package 00:53 < daja77> btw do we have that security fix for kdebase? 00:53 < tsa> daja77: kdm? 00:53 < tsa> don#t think so 00:53 < rxr> maybe I'll have a letter in my mailbox tomorrow ... 00:54 < rxr> daja77: the next kde release is about to become public ... 00:54 < daja77> ah ic 00:54 < daja77> and fear it 00:55 < tsa> tried to build 3.2.0 alpha1 here yesterday# 00:55 < tsa> compiles, but crashes quite often 00:56 < rxr> tsa: since when do you use KDE ? 00:56 < tsa> rxr: i don't - my gf does. 00:57 < tsa> i'm still unsure which wm to use in the future. 00:57 < tsa> gnome2 looks blurry to me. 00:58 < fake> windowmaker? 00:58 < daja77> haha 00:58 < tsa> no, i don't like it. 00:59 < tsa> or can you explain me why it's only possible to click on a wm icon once? 00:59 < tsa> (and use right-click afterwards) 00:59 < fake> tsa : window menu -> attributes -> first tab -> shared application icon 01:00 < tsa> svc -u /service/sshd 01:00 < tsa> ww 01:00 < fake> one app - one icon - one time started. fits most applications 01:00 < SMP> ;) 01:00 < tsa> fake: xterm. 01:00 < fake> tsa: any more examples? 01:00 < daja77> aterm 01:00 < tsa> hehe 01:01 < fake> besides terminal emulators ;P 01:01 < tsa> no. 01:01 < daja77> :) 01:01 < tsa> x11 := xmms, browser, lots of xterms 01:01 < daja77> browsers 01:01 < fake> i agree, the default for the by-default-included xterm starter could be 'shared appicon'. 01:02 < fake> daja77: just one instance with many 'windows', which are handled seperately 01:02 < rxr> fake: you need a curses xmms frontend 01:02 < daja77> hehe 01:02 < fake> rxr: why ? 01:03 < rxr> fake: you would not need X anymore. 01:03 < daja77> man mplayer 01:03 < fake> rxr: i could use mp3blaster for that. but... a browser... 01:03 < rxr> fake: well there are some text browser ... ,) 01:04 < fake> rxr: the one closest would be 'links', but it's still not even comparable to netscape 4 01:04 < fake> (and being comparable to netscape 4 doesn't even make it a good browser ;)) 01:04 < daja77> yeah the netscape bloat runs really fast on recent hw 01:05 < daja77> but css sucks in netscape 01:05 < fake> the mozilla engine is lovely compared to netscape 4.x's html-designer-nightmares 01:05 < clifford> www.clifford.at/priv/rhce.pdf /* no comment */ 01:05 * SMP used Netscape 3 on Windows 2000 lately 01:06 * fake likes IE 2.0 01:06 < rxr> oehm 01:06 < daja77> cool that pdf crashes xpdf 01:06 < daja77> ie 2.0, never seen that 01:06 < fake> daja77: only the non-redhat-versions 01:07 < daja77> hehe 01:07 < fake> ie 2.0 is real fun 01:07 < daja77> clifford: congrats ;-) 01:08 < rxr> clifford: why ? 01:08 * fake off for social interaction 01:08 < daja77> to prove that he has some linux knowledge ... 01:08 < fake> [*] is able to make patch cables 01:08 < fake> ;) 01:09 < fake> bye! 01:09 < tsa> .oO( "RLCE" now!) 01:09 < clifford> rxr: just for fun. 01:09 < SMP> rxr: he probably was bored ;) 01:09 < daja77> hehe 01:09 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DDE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("[BX] Does your mommy know you use BitchX?") 01:09 < mnemoc> rxr: is it too expensive? 01:09 < clifford> the company payed for it. 01:09 < mnemoc> s/rxr/cliff/ 01:09 < clifford> .. but I'm also RHCE for RedHat 6.2 .. 01:10 < mnemoc> free certification is a good reason for taking 4? hours tests :) 01:10 < daja77> cool, /me running rh6.2 at a school 01:10 < tsa> so what - i was offered mcse stuff some years ago. i declined. 01:11 < mnemoc> even MS certificates are good for jobs :) 01:11 < daja77> must call somebody else ... 01:11 < SMP> tsa: mcse and rhce is the difference between stupid work and fun 01:11 < tsa> hehe 01:12 < clifford> mnemoc: the test is seperated in three sections: 2.5h, 1h and 2.5h 01:12 < clifford> It took me 45minutes, 5 minutes, 75 minutes ;-) 01:12 < mnemoc> 7 hours? 15 minute breaks? 01:13 < SMP> what's the 1h part? 01:13 < mnemoc> you are a good redhat boy ;) 01:13 < clifford> and in the real-world the last section of takes up to 6 hours... 01:13 < clifford> SMP: multiple choice test. 01:13 < daja77> clifford: btw did you get a red hat for free? 01:13 < mnemoc> lol 01:14 < SMP> clifford: last section is debugging? 01:15 < clifford> no. first section is debugging. last section is install test. 01:15 < rxr> install test ? 01:15 < clifford> (but my 75 minutes includes root-explointing the controll-host ;-) 01:15 < SMP> 75 minutes for a RH install? ;-O 01:15 < SMP> LOL! 01:16 < clifford> rxr: you get a 4 A4 papers definition what the system should be able to do. 01:16 < daja77> well on bad hw it takes that long 01:17 < clifford> include stuff like binding to nis domain, configuring autofs, creating some samba shares, setting up cups, setting up apache with some virtual servers, etc. etc. 01:17 < SMP> awefully complex stuff ... 01:18 < daja77> binding to nis domain, wtf 01:19 < daja77> setting up ldap would have been nice 01:19 < clifford> daja77: never used nis before... ;-) 01:19 < daja77> <- has 01:20 < SMP> er, what else than the stupid '+::::::' passwd line, setting kernel.domainname and starting ypbind ? 01:20 < clifford> who is that 1up asshole that is spamming the www.rocklinux.net users links section ?!?! 01:21 < clifford> SMP: nothing else. but I never did that before - so I had to read some man pages.. 01:22 < SMP> I never did that, too, and never read the manpages either ;) 01:22 < daja77> well setting up nis server is somehow crappy 01:22 < Freak> daja77: was it you saying xchat 2.0.4 was cool? 01:23 < SMP> clifford: www.rocklinux.* has a very good PageRank at Google, people will try to take advantage of that 01:23 < daja77> no 01:23 < Freak> like.. within the last days 01:23 < Freak> anyone here? 01:23 < daja77> no 01:23 < clifford> #!/usr/bin/perl 01:23 < clifford> $|=1;@_=split//,"Lhnvx\tes Drjuw \@uptwif";for(0..$#_){ 01:23 < clifford> join("",splice(@_,0,$_+1))=~/(.*)/;print"\r$1";splice@_ 01:23 < clifford> ,0,0,split(//,$1);print$_[$_]=chr(ord($_[$_])^($_%8))while 01:23 < clifford> ++$_<=$#_;select(undef,undef,undef,0.25);}print"\n"; 01:23 < Freak> just checking :) 01:23 * clifford won the Linux User Group Austria Perl Contest.. 01:23 < daja77> hehe cool 01:24 * daja77 has finished the perl part of label creation, but had no time to finish the rest 01:24 < clifford> fucking %U and irc... 01:24 < clifford> #!/usr/bin/perl 01:24 < clifford> $|=1;@_=split//,"Lhnvx\%Utes Drjuw \@uptwif";for(0..$#_){ 01:24 < clifford> join("",splice(@_,0,$_+1))=~/(.*)/;print"\r$1";splice@_ 01:24 < clifford> ,0,0,split(//,$1);print$_[$_]=chr(ord($_[$_])^($_%8))while 01:24 < clifford> ++$_<=$#_;select(undef,undef,undef,0.25);}print"\n"; 01:25 < rxr> SMP: btw is the rank viewable somewhere? I searched for it some months ago but was not able to find it ... 01:26 < SMP> rxr: one usually needs the Google Toolbar for that 01:26 < rxr> :-( 01:30 < SMP> .net/.org have 6, .de has 5 01:33 < rxr> this toolbar is only available for M$ ? 01:33 < rxr> what is the rating of gsmp.tfh-berlin.de and www.rocklinux-consulting.de ? ;-) Thanks ... 01:34 < rxr> what is the range of this rating ? 01:35 < SMP> {NULL,0-10} 01:35 < SMP> gsmp has 3, rocklinux-consulting 0 (domain too new, wait until after the next google dance) 01:36 < SMP> I think there was a free sidebar plugin for Mozilla with similar functionality 01:36 < SMP> the PageRank query should work without their crypto hashing 01:38 < rxr> hm - the google bot already crawled over the -consulting.de site a few times ... 01:38 < SMP> index recalculation (google dance) is only once every few weeks 01:39 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:41 < clifford> outch: "Ping reply from zelazny.freenode.net : 25.53 second(s)" ... 01:43 < mnemoc> ufff 01:45 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 01:46 < rxr> I think at 2.0.0-final we have 1000 packages 01:47 < mnemoc> 2.0.0-final will have a higher release number that subversion :) 01:48 < rxr> no I do not think so 01:48 < rxr> maybe 3000 or so - but not 7000 ... 01:50 < mnemoc> -final ;) 01:50 < mnemoc> jk... 3000 is a good number 01:51 < tsa> rxr: openslp -> "302.000", please 01:52 < rxr> tsa: done 01:53 < clifford> SMP: how is rocknet doing ? 01:53 < tsa> thx 01:53 < mnemoc> clifford: i think dwarf is better that 'rocket', do u like it? 01:55 < clifford> mnemoc: 'dwarf' is already the name of a famous corewars programm. 01:55 < daja77> does this matter in any way? 01:55 < SMP> clifford: not moving at the moment :( hope to restart work any day 01:57 < clifford> hmmm... doesn't sound like "a plan" to me (more like a nobel whish ;-) 01:57 < SMP> it will be ready when it's needed. there are more serious things to do for 2.0 01:58 < clifford> ack. 01:58 < mnemoc> another question about mine: can you split mine code to create somekind of libgem and maybe librock? 01:59 < rxr> SMP: clifford: what is that important? 01:59 < mnemoc> libgem: libtar+libbz2+libcdb+logic, dwarf/rocket libgem+libcurl+logic 01:59 < mnemoc> mine: libgem+logic 02:00 < daja77> why on earth there are the dietlibc [T] tags in rtai.desc 02:00 < daja77> now 02:01 < clifford> mnemoc: yes - this is planed as part of the gasgui cleanups. 02:02 < clifford> (gasgui will be devided into frontend+backend and a cli frontend will be added) 02:02 < daja77> will we have a possibility to build just gems without installing them? 02:03 * clifford needs some sleep.... ACK,FIN. 02:03 < daja77> n8 clifford 02:03 < clifford> daja77: like debians fakeroot? maybe/hopefuly in 2.1 .. 02:03 < daja77> :) 02:04 < mnemoc> n8 clifford 02:04 < clifford> does noone here know how to shut down a tcp connection? 02:04 < clifford> so - the hard way: RST ;-) 02:04 -!- clifford [~clifford@M118P010.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Client exiting") 02:05 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M265P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 02:06 < daja77> rxr: btw there is a patch lying around on kde pages, we could just put it in kdebase 02:08 < daja77> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/security_patches/post-3.1.3-kdebase-kdm.patch 02:10 < rxr> Subject: KDE 3.1.4 tarballs 02:10 < rxr> From: Dirk Mueller <mueller@kde.org> 02:10 < rxr> a (I definitely hope) final set of tarballs are uploaded to ktown and can be 02:10 < rxr> found in their usual location. Planned announcement date is next monday. 02:10 < rxr> Please report to me any build failures / showstoppers you might notice, 02:10 < rxr> I think for a few hours this patch is not necessary ... 02:10 < daja77> hehe, well didn't knew this 02:11 < rxr> From: Dirk Mueller <mueller@kde.org> 02:11 < rxr> To: kde-packager@kde.org 02:11 < rxr> ^- Well - I'm official ROCK Linux KDE packager ... 02:11 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M272P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:11 < daja77> jaja, i know :P 02:12 < daja77> <- was just bored, cos changing laptop hds seems to be more difficult than thought 02:14 < rxr> *lol*: 02:14 < rxr> they will be not there in time from me this time ... sorry, stress .... 02:14 < rxr> SuSE AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, 90429 Nuernberg, Germany 02:14 < rxr> oO - no SuSE packages for 3.1.4 ... *ts ts* 02:15 < rxr> or this one: 02:15 < rxr> Gentoo build scripts for arts, kdebase, and kdelibs are ready to go. I will 02:15 < rxr> create the others as soon as the tarballs are released. 02:15 < rxr> well - what is damn difficult with bumping the version number ?!? - Ah! Yes - this damn f*cking ebuild scripts *lol* 02:16 < mnemoc> G* is funny :) 02:17 < daja77> hehehe 02:18 < rxr> oO - gimp-1.3 just crashed on me ... 02:18 < SMP> btw. the package should be named gimp20, not gimp14 02:19 < rxr> SMP: first they wanted to release it as 14 - only recently they decided to rename it 2.0 ... 02:19 < rxr> :-(((( 02:19 < daja77> ah now i know why the rtai files are that messed up, the copyright stuff and description had been alright, guess i bumped them from an older version before submitting the patch to the list *gnarf* 02:20 * daja77 added this to todo 02:20 -!- acm_kiki [~kiki@200.72.82.143] has joined #rocklinux 02:21 < daja77> rxr: suse needs some time to make the kde packages slow 02:21 < daja77> aka bumping there ugly theme in 02:23 < daja77> btw are you adding 3.1.4 now? 02:24 < rxr> when it is release I'll submitt it ... 02:24 < rxr> -t even 02:26 < daja77> *gnarf* openssh issuing more updates, they suck 02:27 -!- acm_kiki [~kiki@200.72.82.143] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:31 < daja77> hmm metamail & xfprint still have cksum errs 02:32 < rxr> daja77: oO (could you investigate the checksums errors ?) 02:33 < daja77> yepp 02:33 < daja77> i paste you the cksums when ready, ok? 02:34 < daja77> but the rest is working fine now 02:43 * rxr updating openssh again ... 02:43 < rxr> damn day 02:43 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 02:43 < daja77> ack 02:43 < daja77> download/xfce4/xfprint/xfprint-3.99.3.tar.bz2: 400575024 02:44 < daja77> download/tsa/metamail/mm2.7.tar.bz2: 3274293306 02:44 < daja77> grabbed from original locations 02:48 < rxr> but mine was a original location download, too ... 02:48 < daja77> hmm 02:49 < daja77> silent updates or cracked ... 02:50 < rxr> but I did this an hour ago ... 02:52 < daja77> well life sucks ... 02:55 < rxr> == 00:47:15 =[9]=> Building base/openssh [3.7.1p1 2.0.0-rc2]. 02:56 < rxr> == 09/17/03 00:52:07 =[9]=> Finished building package openssh. 02:56 < daja77> cool 02:56 * daja77 waiting for the updates before starting a new build 02:57 < rxr> Committed revision 1436. 02:58 < rxr> one update will follow in soem seconds ... 02:58 < daja77> :) 02:59 < rxr> == 09/17/03 00:58:50 =[9]=> Finished building package darkglass. 02:59 < tsa> anyone familar with solaris? 03:00 < rxr> yes - you ;-) 03:00 < tsa> hmpf. 03:00 < rxr> my Sparc Station 2 does not want to boot Slowlaris anymore - and it will be ROCKed soon ... 03:00 < rxr> Committed revision 1437. 03:11 < mnemoc> 2.4.22-ctx17a-rsbac-rock :) 03:13 < rxr> POP3 connection to pop.gmx.net failed: Connection timed out 03:13 < rxr> fucking provider 03:13 < daja77> ack 03:13 < rxr> I want to have my emails ... :-( 03:13 < daja77> btw build started, goin to bed 03:13 < daja77> cu 03:13 < rxr> good that I already have a exim running in a jail on mail.rocklinux-consulting.de ... 03:14 < rxr> cu daja77 03:14 < daja77> rocklinux.org is down btw 03:15 < daja77> database error 03:15 < daja77> rotfl 03:15 -!- safe [~safedin@nic-29-c98-17.twmi.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 03:16 < daja77> 03:13 < kefka|laptop> hmm.. is www.rocklinux.org working? 03:16 < daja77> 03:14 < daja77> oh nice, now that clifford gone to bed 03:16 < daja77> 03:15 * safe thinks kefka|laptop waited till after clifford was asleep to report this... 03:16 < daja77> hehe 03:16 < daja77> anway off now 03:16 -!- safe [~safedin@nic-29-c98-17.twmi.rr.com] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 03:17 < rxr> this 03:17 < rxr> shit 03:17 < rxr> argh - CLIFFORD!!!!!!!!! 03:18 < mnemoc> call him :) 03:18 * daja77 gives rxr a cookie to calm down and leaves now finally 03:18 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 03:21 < rxr> n8 daja77 03:38 < mnemoc> to test changes in lixnu2* is reeeeeasly slow :( 03:42 < rxr> yes ... 03:43 < tsa> *GRRR* 03:43 < tsa> broken patch from sun. 03:43 < mnemoc> lol 03:44 < mnemoc> mail QA ;) 03:44 < mnemoc> cut some heads ;P 03:46 < rxr> hm 2003-09-15 21:44:43 H=relaytest.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.156] F=<devnull@kun 03:47 < rxr> denserver.de> rejected RCPT <relayedmail@rcv-relaytest.kundenserver.de>: relay n 03:47 < rxr> ot permitted 04:00 < tsa> sleep(). 04:00 < jsaw> rxr: the problem is ncurses in conjunction with the previous changes of handling prefix="" 04:01 -!- tsa [tsa@pD9FF9B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") 04:01 < jsaw> rxr: the postmake line in ncurses.conf should read: 04:01 < jsaw> postmake="ln -svf libncurses.a $root/lib/libtermcap.a" 04:01 < jsaw> and additionally, there should be a link to $root/lib/libcurses.so 04:01 < SMP> nonono! 04:02 < SMP> no .a in /lib ! 04:02 < jsaw> oh, yes. but the .so should be there. 04:02 < jsaw> oh, forget this. 04:03 < jsaw> if no .a, ncurses.conf must be modified a bit more than this change 04:04 < jsaw> btw, why do we have ncurses in /lib ? 04:05 < SMP> because of cfdisk, more and tcsh 04:07 < jsaw> hmmm, lib{form,form_g,menu,misc,ncurses++,ncurses,ncurses_g,panel,panel_g,shadow,z}.a in /lib... 04:08 < SMP> argh 04:08 < rxr> SMP: is it really that clean and important to part move the static ones into /usr/lib wile the dynamic ones are in /lib ? 04:09 < SMP> yes - and you know the fundamental difference of static and dynamic libs;) 04:09 < SMP> also no package or linker would attempt to find them in /lib 04:10 < jsaw> I don't know. The only thing I know is, we need a link from libncurses.so to libcurses.so and libtermcap.so. 04:10 < rxr> SMP: no question that I know the difference - this is why I asked "clean and important" not why you think it might be nice to have ... 04:11 < SMP> static libs are part of the development subsystem, which by definition of /lib has no place on the root filesystem 04:12 < SMP> if we put archives into /lib then what's next? /include because we're too stupid and a prefix=/ is all so convenient? ;-> 04:13 < rxr> maybe staticlibdir or libadir is next ? 04:13 < rxr> btw, just took a look on a FreeBSD system: 04:14 < rxr> /bin everything statically linked except: 04:14 < rxr> rmail: 04:14 < rxr> libc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x28072000) 04:14 < rxr> and no /lib ... 04:14 < SMP> yes, and the point is? 04:15 < rxr> I just wanted to contribute one more possibility ;-) 04:15 < SMP> that's not a valid possibility on Linux 04:16 < SMP> next you come and tell me /boot/vmlinuz should be called /bsd ? ;) 04:17 < SMP> (I know it's not /bsd on FreeBSD. /bsd is OpenBSD) 04:18 < rxr> why shouldn't this be a valid possibility on Linux ... !? 04:18 < SMP> did you smoke something earlier? ;) 04:19 < rxr> nope - did you? 04:19 < SMP> don't think so 04:21 < rxr> why shouldn't it be invalid to just link all resuce stuff in /bin /sbin statically and just do not need /lib ? 04:21 < SMP> the answer is that linking /bin/* and /sbin/* dynamically and having /lib is a) the established and documented Standard b) a good idea because it saves space and c) contributes to maintainability (upgrading many programs instead of one library is more painful) 04:22 < rxr> sure - but this has nothing to do with "valid possibility on Linux" 04:22 < rxr> the same applies to *BSD ... 04:24 < rxr> SMP: so what do you think about staticlibdir or libadir proposed above - should be better than ugly hacks in each package ? 04:25 < SMP> I don't see how this helps 04:27 < rxr> you can just move the files to that dir - instead of substitutions if's in each package ... 04:27 < mnemoc> can installwrapper be used to move /lib/*.a to /usr/lib ? 04:27 < rxr> oh - gmx functional again ... 04:28 < jsaw> so, you mean a postinstall-move-liba? 04:28 < rxr> nope - just an env-var like includedir 04:28 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - also an idea 04:28 < rxr> jups the installwrapper is nice ... 04:28 < mnemoc> looks clean to me :) 04:29 < rxr> this makes me think about it is possible to clean up the jailing support my using the install wrapper ;-)! 04:29 < SMP> no, please no munging pathes outside of the packages 04:30 < rxr> SMP: we do not want end up with ebuild script where everything is hardcoded! 04:30 < SMP> packages should be fixed to do the right thing 04:30 < rxr> but packages should not be hardcoed to just work when install into / 04:30 < SMP> rxr: ok, then let's use the install wrapper to move all executables that link libX11 from /usr/bin to /usr/X11/bin 04:31 < jsaw> I think we only need this for packages with prefix=/, don't we? 04:31 < rxr> jsaw: yes 04:31 < mnemoc> /lib/*.a --> /usr/lib/*.a 04:31 < rxr> SMP: this is s.th. completely different 04:31 < jsaw> then, what's the problem with external munging, SMP? 04:32 < SMP> rxr: no, it's not. what hardcode a prefix=$root/$prefix/X11 when we can do it automatically? 04:33 < SMP> s,what,why, 04:34 < SMP> the problem with external munging is that I want clean, self-contained packages 04:35 < SMP> if it puts archives into /lib then that is a bug in the package and we don't fix it with munging on a global level 04:38 < jsaw> well, it's a bug in autoconf etal. 04:38 < jsaw> or have you seen --libadir somewhere around? 04:39 < jsaw> so, I don't think, doin this globally is that a bad idea. 04:39 < SMP> no, the problem is with how people _use_ autoconf 04:39 < SMP> look at e2fsprogs e.g. 04:40 < SMP> they use --with-root-prefix 04:40 < SMP> that's a clean statement 04:40 < jsaw> and end up with /lib/libext2fs.a, huh? 04:40 < SMP> they know that e2fsprogs has parts that would normally be installed outside $prefix and they are prepared 04:41 < SMP> _we_ end up with /lib/libext2fs.a because _we_ use --libdir=$root/lib 04:43 < mnemoc> SMP, rxr, jsaw: can you take a brake and look the patch i sent? ;-) 04:43 < rxr> the X packages go into $prefix because the user / configuration asked for it, no matter if it is /opt/$pkg /usr or / - the correct fix is to decide that more packages should use /usr/X11 as default prefix 04:43 < rxr> with the .a thing it is just standard that the libs go into one dir 04:44 < rxr> oh my: 04:44 < rxr> etchmail: Authorization failure on rene.rebe@gmx.net@pop.gmx.net 04:44 < rxr> fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL) 04:45 < mnemoc> :( 04:49 < mnemoc> i vote for an special rule in installwrapper to move ALL /lib/*.a inside /usr and make everyone happy 04:55 < jsaw> damned tired, cu a bit later again 04:56 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 04:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I do still not have the mail .. 04:57 < mnemoc> any direct mail? 04:58 < mnemoc> from nerd.clifford.at (localhost [127.0.0.1])by nerd.clifford.at (8.12.1/8.12.1/rock) with ESMTP id h8H2k0ej008245;Wed, 17 Sep 2003 04:46:00 +0200 05:00 < mnemoc> rene@something.different.than.gmx.net? 05:00 < rxr> gmx.net is currently working fine ... 05:01 < rxr> I go to bed now ... 05:01 < mnemoc> :( 05:01 < rxr> we'll meet with frinds to swim today arround 12 o'clokc 05:01 < rxr> ck even 05:01 < rxr> and it is 5:01 here ... 05:02 < rxr> so - well - not that much sleep left ... 05:02 < mnemoc> good night ;) i bother you tomorrow 05:02 < SMP> lol, Rene's openssh update mail scored 2.1 points on clifford's spam detector 05:02 < rxr> btw. rene@rocklinux-consulting.de is functional since a few days ... 05:02 < SMP> because of the 'adv' in the subject 05:04 < SMP> oh my 05:04 < rxr> hm - the spam-scanner on cliffs box is new ;-) 05:04 < rxr> and it also yield 2.1 on my local spamassassin ... 05:05 < mnemoc> weren't you sleeping? 05:06 < rxr> toothbrushing ... 05:10 < rolla> re 05:11 < mnemoc> re rolla 05:14 < rxr> n8 06:26 < mnemoc> holly sh*!! Emerge-Pkg openssh removes /etc/ssh/ssh_host* :-( 06:49 < blindcoder> moun moun 06:50 < blindcoder> moin moin 06:50 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 07:14 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091897.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:36 < netrunner> moin blind/mnemoc 08:36 < blindcoder> moin moin 08:44 < blindcoder> okay, done putting site in demonstration mode 09:00 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-15-37.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 09:00 < DeElsasser> moin 09:05 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:05 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F348.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 09:05 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 09:08 < blindcoder> feels good to be back :) 09:11 < owl> moin 09:11 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091897.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:11 < blindcoder> moin moin owly 09:23 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DD30.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:23 < fake> hiho 09:23 * fake having bluetooth fun 09:24 < blindcoder> di fake 09:24 < blindcoder> ehm, hi :) 09:26 * blindcoder is bored at work 09:26 < blindcoder> I'm already reading heise.de ... 09:26 < owl> moin fake 09:29 -!- nisma [~root@host35-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #rocklinux 09:30 < fake> hrmpf 09:30 < fake> damn connection 09:30 < blindcoder> ack 09:31 < owl> haha. still have no "timeout" or whatever *har* 09:33 < blindcoder> they reconfigured my proxy here now 09:33 < blindcoder> instead of hanging for 30 minutes it now just terminates the connection 09:34 < fake> https://www.ffii.org/ffii-cgi/kwikimj04/index.cgi?SwpParlMuc039De 09:34 < fake> for all around munich 09:36 < blindcoder> I'll be there :) 09:38 < blindcoder> fake: already updated ssh? :) 09:39 < fake> blindcoder: no 09:39 < fake> blindcoder: not exploitable, in my opinion 09:39 * fake off 09:39 < fake> connection too buggy... 09:39 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DD30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Read error: 5 + -1 = --1 (Connection reset by third grade math)") 09:41 -!- nisma [~root@host35-115.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has quit ("Leaving") 09:42 < blindcoder> well, I'm taking no risks 10:01 -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:01 < [anders]> moin 10:03 < blindcoder> moin moin 10:03 < [anders]> *yawn* 10:04 < [anders]> kittens have calmed down a bit during the night, but tonight we'll try the hot water bottles.. 10:04 < blindcoder> hot water bottles? 10:04 < DeElsasser> hi all: what is 'typo3 database error' when i go to www.rocklinux.org? 10:05 < [anders]> blindcoder: apperantly if you use them and make a 'nest' for the kittens, they might sleep all night.. 10:05 < blindcoder> I'd guess typo3 can't connect to the database 10:05 < blindcoder> [anders]: hmm... for our puppies we used heat-cushions... (correct word?) 10:05 < DeElsasser> ??? 10:06 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M268P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 10:06 < [anders]> blindcoder: sounds about right. :) 10:06 < [anders]> hot water bottles are rubber cushions that you fill with warm water. They warm nicely for several hours.. 10:07 < blindcoder> mhm, we used an electrically heated cushion, but the effect should be the same :) 10:08 < DeElsasser> must I have an username and password for www.rocklinux.org??? 10:08 < blindcoder> sometimes I'd really like to raise some puppies again.. 10:08 < [anders]> DeElsasser: not for browsing it I guess... 10:08 < blindcoder> DeElsasser: no, it just means that the mysql-server is down 10:09 < DeElsasser> k 10:16 < Pyro> lo [anders] 10:16 < [anders]> lo Pyro 10:16 < blindcoder> moin Pyro 10:16 < Pyro> moin all. 10:20 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M265P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:39 < owl> *ARGH* school = shit 10:39 < blindcoder> owl: you're at home anyway, so stfu :) 10:39 < owl> blindcoder: i'm at school 10:41 < blindcoder> didn't you say you're sick? 10:41 < owl> yes. o 10:41 < owl> i'm sick, but forced by my beloved parentsto go to this fscking school 10:42 < blindcoder> i c 10:42 < blindcoder> sucks 10:42 < [anders]> owl: we know you are sick, but are you ill as well now? ;-) 10:42 < owl> [anders]: huh? 10:42 * [anders] just kidding, no need to take offense... 10:42 < owl> blindcoder: ack 10:42 < blindcoder> oh, forgot... sick = mind, ill = body 10:43 < owl> blindcoder: *kick* 10:43 < blindcoder> owl: come on now! It wasn't on purpose! 10:44 < owl> hrm 10:51 -!- fake [~fake@pD9E4DD30.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:51 < fake> re 10:51 < fake> bored... 10:52 < owl> bored to death... 10:52 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-15-37.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 10:53 < fake> bored by php(tm) 10:53 < blindcoder> he 10:54 < [anders]> lo fake 10:55 * blindcoder --> lunch 11:01 -!- huebi [huebi@217-69-169-122.dedicated.sectoor.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:02 -!- huebi [huebi@217-69-169-122.dedicated.sectoor.de] has quit (Client Quit) 11:03 -!- huebi [huebi@217-69-169-122.dedicated.sectoor.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:03 -!- huebi [huebi@217-69-169-122.dedicated.sectoor.de] has quit (Client Quit) 11:03 < [anders]> huebi: boing boing 11:04 < Freak> [anders]: what do you think, isnt it odd that anna lindh's killer left his jacket and the knife, while he acted in a professional way (in the way he used the knife to injure her deadly), and then they find him watching a football game in a pub?! 11:04 < Freak> I find this irritating. 11:04 < Freak> tho.. he's said to be mentally disturbed 11:04 < [anders]> Freak: intriguing.. 11:04 < Freak> like.. ok he killed her so he definitely is disturbed but .. yano 11:05 < [anders]> I did read aftonbladet.se this morning, and if it is him, he certainly suffers from barin damage.. 11:05 < [anders]> brain even.. 11:05 < [anders]> I agree with you, a professional hit, but with so many mistakes.. Interesting.. 11:17 < rxr> moin 11:17 < owl> hi rxr 11:18 < rxr> nice - for the first time in my life a patch sent to the XFree people was not ignored and made it into XFree: 11:18 < rxr> 446. Fix IMPS/2 mouse wheel on platforms where char defaults to unsigned 11:18 < rxr> (Rene Rebe). 11:28 < daja77> congrats 11:28 < rxr> daja77: but this was only due to my provocant sentenses in the mail also cc'ed to rock-linux ... 11:28 < rxr> and I sent the mouse wheel fix a quater year ago ... 11:28 < rxr> any - off getting rolls ... 11:34 * blindcoder back 11:34 < daja77> moin blindcoder 11:34 < blindcoder> hi hi 11:38 < Pyro> ok i am off to bed now 11:38 < Pyro> cu all. 11:38 < daja77> cu Miguel 11:42 < rxr> cu Pyro 11:43 < daja77> cool dyndns now blocking a name when it is down 12:12 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:13 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 12:13 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:16 < owl> hi clifford 12:16 < clifford> hi owl. 12:18 < daja77> moin clifford :) 12:18 < fake> hi clifford! 12:18 < clifford> moin. 12:19 * fake phears owl 12:20 < daja77> why, is she near you with a club? 12:20 < fake> daja77: well, near me, yes, kinda. 12:20 < owl> fake: ? why phearing? 12:20 < fake> daja77: i could beat her up if it'd be necessary 12:20 < daja77> if she carries no weapon, i would not worry 12:20 < owl> fake: *kick* 12:21 < fake> i ph34r j00r m4d sug4r verdauungs-sk1llz 12:21 < owl> daja77: i'm wearing rangers, isn'tthat enough? 12:21 < fake> 3v1l zug4r 12:21 < fake> she is armored with poisoned water 12:21 < daja77> what are rangers? 12:21 < owl> 3v1l 5p4173 12:21 < fake> daja77: people owning a farm 12:22 < daja77> no military special unit ... 12:22 < owl> daja77: ranger boots --> hm... NPS boots. whatever. use a browser 12:22 * fake is a military special unit 12:22 < fake> the concentrated loosernes in the compact form of a self-targeting ethnic bomb 12:22 < clifford> hmmm... we need a bot who's kicking cool-zero posters... ;-) 12:23 < owl> .oO(omfg. he's looking so "unschuldig" and is in a special unit - heeeeelp) 12:23 < daja77> rofl, yeah you even had a military bed with you 12:23 < rxr> hi clifford 12:23 < clifford> hi rxr. thought you are already away? 12:23 < fake> owl: i'm not IN one, i AM one! muhaha. 12:23 < owl> even more horrible. 12:23 < daja77> a smart bomb ... 12:23 < rxr> I wanted to be away ar 12 o'clock - but the other people are not yet here ... 12:24 < fake> rxr: esden still around? 12:24 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o clifford] by ChanServ 12:24 < rxr> esden: nope he is in poland ... 12:24 < fake> clifford: poser ;) 12:24 * blindcoder hides from cliffords @power 12:24 < fake> rxr: oh 12:25 < fake> rxr: greet him anyways ;) 12:25 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o clifford] by clifford 12:25 < rxr> clifford: I plan to change the copyright generation for patches - they get a part of ROCK Linux but license is the same as the patches package - if not stated otherwise 12:25 < rxr> clifford: I got some more trouble with the XFree peopel because of the it is GPL text 12:25 < rxr> clifford: is this ok ? 12:25 * clifford is writing some macros to trigger ChanServ from the irc client menus.. 12:26 < fake> rxr: yes 12:26 < clifford> rxr: ok. The importand thing is that they stay open source (e.g. when patching packages like xv) 12:27 < fake> how can one patch a package if one can't read the source? 12:27 < fake> (besides binary patches, which i doubt we have) 12:28 < SMP> not everything that you have source for is open source 12:28 < clifford> fake: e.g. xv is only free for home and educational use. 12:28 < fake> SMP: the qmail thing? ;) 12:28 < clifford> touche! *g* 12:29 < fake> clifford: tell me a corporate use of xv... 12:29 < fake> "i am watching this pr0n pics as the representative salesperson of..." 12:29 < clifford> resizing gifs for a commercial webpage.. 12:29 < SMP> installing it on a company's computer. 12:29 < SMP> that's already enough 12:30 * clifford is soooo evil. ;-) 12:30 * fake wants a good, nice example ;P 12:30 < rxr> this is why the desktop target does not ship xv ... 12:30 < rxr> SMP: hm - is my rocklinux-consulting.de server allowed to build the package in the regression tester ? 12:30 < rxr> ;-) 12:30 < fake> clifford: use ImageMagick (silently praying that ImageMagick is OpenSource) 12:30 < clifford> oh. in that case I'm not evil at all... ;-) 12:31 < clifford> Yes. But the "display" gui iss horrible... 12:31 < SMP> rxr: a) IANAL b) don't tell anyone ;) 12:31 < rxr> SMP: ... 12:32 * rxr away ... 12:32 * daja77 puts on his hp that SMP is not a lawyer ... 12:32 * SMP thinks, the patent offices will be the address directories for the killer commands when the revolution comes 12:33 * fake going to protest on Friday in Munich 12:33 < daja77> good 12:33 < clifford> And a hitch hickers guide that passed thru a black hole from the future to the present states: the patent offices have been the address directories for the killer commands when the revolution came. 12:34 < daja77> thought there were only protests in strasbourg 12:34 < fake> daja77: no, heise said munich to 12:34 < fake> o 12:34 < SMP> clifford: . o O ( ? ) 12:34 < fake> oh, schools over (for me) 12:34 < fake> bye ;) 12:34 < daja77> cu fake 12:35 < SMP> 7t Buy a rifle, encrypt your data and wait for the revolution! 12:35 * SMP probably leaving out the 'rifle' part 12:35 < clifford> SMP: Your sentence and my response is almost indetically quoted in "The Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy". 12:36 < SMP> clifford: uh? I never read that book ;) 12:36 < daja77> hehe 12:38 < blindcoder> fake: do you go by train or car? 12:38 < blindcoder> Munich, Vienna... 12:39 < daja77> where is that list 12:39 < blindcoder> mom 12:39 -!- link_ [~link_@pop-mu-8-2-dialup-88.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 12:39 < clifford> https://www.google.com/search?q=answer+to+life%2C+the+universe+and+everything *g* 12:40 < daja77> hehe entering 42 in google is funny too 12:43 < blindcoder> daja77: https://swpat.ffii.org/events/2003/europarl/09/muenchen/index.de.html 12:45 < daja77> damn all far away 12:49 -!- DirtyGamer [~carsten@213.70.35.59] has joined #rocklinux 13:08 -!- [n00b]Wibra [wibra@D5E0A798.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 13:09 < [n00b]Wibra> where do i configure my swappartition? currently it looks for the wrong partition 13:10 < daja77> stone 13:10 < [n00b]Wibra> i cant do it manually? 13:11 < daja77> swapon /dev... 13:12 < [n00b]Wibra> and the colors in my ls, how/where do i configure them? cant make any sense out of dircolors 13:17 * daja77 off now 13:17 < daja77> cu later 13:17 < [n00b]Wibra> bye 13:19 -!- DirtyGamer [~carsten@213.70.35.59] has quit () 13:20 < [n00b]Wibra> rxr: stone has the standard editor set to "vi" but in the minimal install this isn't included. should be fixed i guess 14:08 -!- link_ [~link_@pop-mu-8-2-dialup-88.freesurf.ch] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:12 < owl> rehi 14:13 < blindcoder> wb 14:17 < owl> thx 14:17 < owl> did i already mention, that school = shit? 14:17 < owl> fuck! i even cannot cancel partitipation on religions-unterricht *jumping out of windo* 14:23 < blindcoder> owl: make them cancel it for you 14:23 < blindcoder> it's what we did with PE 14:25 < owl> huh? how? 14:25 < blindcoder> well, we had PE in the first two hours of wednesday 14:25 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:25 < blindcoder> and, "somehow", everyone forget their "Duschzeug" for two weeks... 14:26 < owl> hehe. 14:26 < blindcoder> so some teachers voted for us to have PE in the last 2 hours, which wasn't possible 14:26 < blindcoder> so it was simply canceled 14:26 < owl> i c. 14:30 < owl> holy shit! 14:30 < owl> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server 14:30 < owl> Xlib: No protocol specified 14:30 < owl> Traceback (most recent call last): 14:30 < owl> File "/bin/bluepin", line 34, in ? 14:30 < owl> from gtk import * 14:30 < owl> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/site-packages/gtk-1.2/gtk.py", line 33, in ? 14:30 < owl> _gtk.gtk_init() 14:30 < owl> RuntimeError: cannot open display 14:30 < owl> WTF IS _THAT_?! O_o 14:30 < owl> (bluepin) 14:33 < owl> *gnarf* *gnarf* *gnarf* "are there any new releases of serialz"?!!! dumb.as.bread.school.is.shit.*hypf*! 14:33 < [anders]> man bluepin 14:34 < owl> .oO(no manual entry) 14:34 < [anders]> https://bluez.sourceforge.net/howto/node22.html 14:35 < owl> aeh... i did that... 14:35 < owl> and the result as the crap showed above 14:36 < owl> argh. crappy.inet-connection.from.school. 14:36 < [anders]> don't start bluetooth on boot then? 14:36 < owl> bluetooth is working... just blueping has problems... 14:36 < owl> -g 14:37 < owl> which sets the pin of the session... so - if i want to dynammically assign a pin, i have problems... it ust reads the hardcoded stuff from /etc/bluetooth/pin 14:38 < [anders]> so you dynamically tweak /etc/bluetooth/pin on boot, before bluepin runs 14:42 < owl> hmm 14:43 * owl np: subway to sally - tag der rache 14:43 * blindcoder is sleepy 14:44 < owl> blindcoder: you're listing to the wrong mu8sic... /me set's volume 100 and gives blindcoder some mp3s :p 14:49 < blindcoder> I'm listening to no music at all atm 14:51 < owl> yeah... but - as i mentionted above - wrong music 14:51 < owl> wuah. *shivers* this music is great, sad, and stuff - witt: eiszenherz 14:52 < owl> "eine welt ohne dich, ist eine welt aus hass und schmerz" *sing* 14:57 < owl> lesson. off. bye 14:57 < blindcoder> baba 14:57 * blindcoder also going home 14:57 < blindcoder> bye 16:08 * blindcoder back 16:12 < rolla> yawn 16:12 < daja77> hi rolla 16:12 < daja77> re blindy 16:16 < blindcoder> dammit, I can't get the sleepyness off me 16:17 * daja77 too 16:17 < rxr> re 16:18 < blindcoder> I think I'll watch an anime... 16:18 < blindcoder> bbl 16:18 < rxr> [n00b]Wibra: a fix for this is already in our SVN:HEAD - we now search for some editors for one available ... 16:23 < daja77> [5] base/tcsh [5] base/wdiff 16:23 < daja77> [5] base/mine [5] base/sendmail 16:23 < daja77> [5] sirkull/dansguardian [5] base/python 16:23 < daja77> [5] kasc/paragui 16:23 < daja77> 16:23 < daja77> 973 builds total, 308 completed fine, 7 with errors. 16:28 < daja77> all known errors? 16:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke, aszlig, [n00b]Wibra, jsaw, owl, Aard 16:34 < [n00b]Wibra> i've been searching all day how to get colors in ls. anybody? 16:35 < mnemoc> --color=auto 16:35 < [n00b]Wibra> with auto; it searches is the set variables 16:35 < [n00b]Wibra> for entry LS_COLORS= 16:36 < [n00b]Wibra> "dircolors" should put that entry in there, but it doesnt 16:50 < rxr> daja77: nope 16:51 < rxr> [n00b]Wibra: the default in ROCK Linux is with colors - have you modifed this? Or maybe use a remote terminal on windows or so? 16:54 < daja77> rxr: need some details? 16:55 < [n00b]Wibra> i didnt modify 16:55 < [n00b]Wibra> also, if i press ctrl-d at login; it reboots 16:55 < [n00b]Wibra> this is all so fucked up 16:56 < rxr> hm- ctrl-d ... 16:56 < [n00b]Wibra> and even though my keyboard settings are correct, i still have to type in another language 16:56 * rxr away to a anti software patent meeting 16:56 < rxr> cu all later 16:56 < [n00b]Wibra> bye 16:56 < daja77> have fun 16:56 < rxr> [n00b]Wibra: we will investigate soon 16:56 < [n00b]Wibra> go kick some ass 16:59 -!- acm_kiki [~kiki@164.77.101.112] has joined #rocklinux 17:00 < mnemoc> damn.... i forgot to remember cliff to change today the frontpage of rl.org :( 17:00 < mnemoc> wb acm_kiki 17:05 < acm_kiki> hi mnemoc 17:12 -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 18:04 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M268P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:06 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M269P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:19 -!- christ|an [~christian@pD9530402.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:28 -!- [n00b]Wibra [wibra@D5E0A798.kabel.telenet.be] has quit () 18:32 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802628.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802782.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:04 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-093.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:23 < owl> moin 19:34 < Nebukadneza> hi owl 19:36 < owl> hi Nebukadneza 19:36 < Nebukadneza> and ... how are you? 19:36 < owl> feeling less than shit. thx. you? 19:41 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9530F27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:55 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.48.135.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 -!- christ|an [~christian@pD9530402.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:07 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.30.120.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:24 < nookie> rxr: Are you there? Or busy? 20:33 < mnemoc> rxr is protesting 20:35 < mnemoc> throwing stones and stuff like that 20:36 < rolla> ? 20:36 < mnemoc> software patents 20:36 < rolla> ah 20:41 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-228.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:41 < holyolli> moin 20:42 < mnemoc> moin holyolli 20:43 < holyolli> hi mnemoc 21:28 < nookie> mnemoc: Ah, alright 21:51 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E23C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:57 -!- Pyro [~mike@ip228-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 21:58 < nookie> cool 21:58 < nookie> on a TI30 Calculator runs quake 21:58 < nookie> or so 21:58 < nookie> https://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/251/25178.html 22:08 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506B56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:17 < owl> remoin 22:26 -!- Nebukadneza is now known as Nebu^afk 22:36 < owl> <-- sleeping. gn8 22:42 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-228.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("X-Chat: Man I'm *SLEEPY*!!!! My keyboard is slipping away!") 23:10 -!- link_ [~link_@pop-ls-6-1-dialup-23.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 23:12 < rxr> re 23:13 < daja77> wb rxr, how was the protest 23:13 < rxr> it was an information and discusion event of the berlin linux user group ... 23:14 < link_> oh mann .. 23:14 < link_> ups.... 23:14 < link_> hi .. 23:14 < daja77> so anything you haven't known before? 23:16 < mnemoc> rxr: $root/lib/*.a -> $root/usr/lib/*.a will be mandaroty (Build-Pkg) or target specific (generic/parse-config)? 23:27 < jsaw_> re 23:27 < jsaw_> hi all 23:27 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw 23:27 < mnemoc> re jsaw 23:27 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 23:31 < jsaw> what's the status of the liba thing? 23:32 < mnemoc> i injected the install_wrapper in Build-Pkg and it's working 23:32 < jsaw> patch send out/in trunk? 23:32 < mnemoc> i don't know if rxr will want it there or target-specific 23:33 < mnemoc> and i would like to complete stage 5 of a minimal before consider it 'working' 23:34 < mnemoc> i'ts one dummy line ;) 23:35 < mnemoc> install_wrapper is cool 23:35 < jsaw> mnemoc: could you also fix ncurses? This has to be done: 23:35 < jsaw> postmake_ncurses() { 23:35 < jsaw> ln -svf libncurses.a $root/lib/libtermcap.a 23:35 < jsaw> ln -svf libncurses.so $root/lib/libtermcap.so 23:35 < jsaw> ln -svf libncurses.so $root/lib/libcurses.so 23:35 < jsaw> } 23:36 < jsaw> but with the correct path with your change. 23:37 < mnemoc> i guess libtermcap is created by termcap when it's installed, so an exception is needed 23:37 < jsaw> there's an if in ncurses already. 23:43 < mnemoc> postmake added to the test :) 23:43 < jsaw> (should solve wdiff,mine and tcsh build error reported earlier by daja77) 23:43 < jsaw> btw 23:44 < jsaw> thx, mnemoc 23:44 < rxr> mnemoc: it is ok - it is not target specific 23:44 < rxr> mnemoc: please send a patch - so it is discussed if we want to use the install_wrapper way 23:44 < mnemoc> ok, i'll send you the patch after test ends 23:45 * rxr is busy doing payed SANE/Avision development the next days ;-) *happy* 23:45 < mnemoc> .ve? 23:45 < jsaw> payed?! 23:45 < daja77> rxr: congrats 23:46 < rxr> paid 23:46 < rxr> I also convised some Gentoo users at the BeLUG to try ROCK (by talking one hour about crapy things in Gentoo (read all) and the much cleaner / stable ROCK-way) 23:47 < daja77> guess that patch would fix mine in stage 5 as well 23:47 < daja77> hehehe 23:47 < mnemoc> daja77: i hope :) 23:47 < daja77> <- telling everybody who wants to know what is crappy about their distro and why rock is better 23:47 < mnemoc> rxr: for the girl of telcel.ve? 23:48 < mnemoc> daja77: what do u say about debian? :) 23:49 < daja77> that their release policy is crap, that they waste a lot of development ressources and such things 23:49 < daja77> + that woody doesn't boot on some of my machines 23:49 < daja77> which nobody believes ... 23:49 < mnemoc> daja77: write a 'why ROCK is better than...' for rl.org ;) 23:50 < daja77> hehe a rant collection in rolling rock, hmm 23:50 < mnemoc> please: grep libgtkembedmoz.so /var/adm/flists//* 23:51 < daja77> me? 23:51 < mnemoc> anyone :) 23:53 < daja77> /var/adm/flists//mozilla:mozilla: usr/lib/mozilla-1.3.1/libgtkembedmoz.so 23:53 < daja77> guessed that somehow 23:54 < mnemoc> me too but... i can't find it :( 23:55 < mnemoc> /lib/mozilla-1.4 mmmm 23:55 < mnemoc> ignore me 23:57 < mnemoc> daja77: did you see extraversion patch? 23:57 < mnemoc> ]# ls -F usr/src/ 23:57 < mnemoc> linux@ linux-2.4.22-ctx17a-rsbac-rock/ linux24-patches/ 23:57 < mnemoc> i'll add a -rtai in the next build :) 23:58 < daja77> well rtai does not work with linux2.4.22 atm 23:58 < daja77> <- has to patch 23:59 < mnemoc> i have to patch vquota :( --- Log closed Thu Sep 18 00:00:15 2003