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--- Log opened Mon Sep 29 00:00:12 2003 --- Day changed Mon Sep 29 2003 00:00 < daja77> well dunno if mine was build already, checking 00:00 < th> [1] base/mine 00:00 < th> it builds ok in [0] and in [5] but fails in [1] 00:00 < daja77> no build is at stage 5, and 0 errors 00:00 < th> must be something special in my target 00:00 < th> *shiver* 00:01 < daja77> which? 00:01 < th> not in svn 00:01 < th> just a copy of server with explicit package-selection 00:02 < th> : undefined reference to `__libc_csu_init' 00:02 < th> /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_lazy@GLIBC_2.1.1' 00:02 < th> ... 00:02 < daja77> O_o 00:02 < th> dietlibc... perhaps 00:02 < th> must be missing packages 00:03 < daja77> yepp could be 00:03 < th> but each [DEP] is available 00:04 < daja77> but the linker errors are related to glibc not dietlibc, no? 00:04 < th> dunno 00:04 < daja77> `_dl_lazy@GLIBC_2.1.1' 00:04 < daja77> 2.1.1? 00:05 < th> you should have a look at the .err 00:06 < daja77> hmm dunno, if i am to fix it, /me preparing to go to bed 00:09 < daja77> optimization bug? 00:10 < daja77> you made a cross build? 00:16 < th> no 00:16 < daja77> hmm, which optimization you tried on which machine? 00:17 < th> 486 on P4 00:17 < daja77> hmm could be optimization bug then 00:19 < daja77> think of it when you choose 486 on p4, the gcc that is used for your build, is optimized for 486 and is executed on a p4 00:20 < th> so i should build this on a 486> 00:20 < th> so i should build this on a 486? 00:21 < daja77> yes if you have that much time, or leave out optimization in this case 00:21 < th> or should i stop selecting any optimization? 00:21 < daja77> no pentium-mmx is working fine 00:21 < th> ahh ok. 00:21 < th> i'll stick to that one 00:21 < daja77> if crossbuilding will be possible for a complete build this problem should vanish 00:22 < th> hehe 00:22 < th> of course 00:22 < daja77> but pentium-mmx will be overoptimized for real 486 00:22 < daja77> it will work for all pentium-mmx or later processors 00:23 < th> that's clear 00:23 < daja77> :) 00:26 < fake> re 00:26 < th> daja77: a mine-hotfix from cliff 00:26 < th> ...arrived per mail 00:26 < daja77> hehe 00:27 < daja77> hmm not in my inbox *sigh* 00:27 < daja77> from when? 00:27 < daja77> hi fake 00:27 < th> just now 00:27 < daja77> hmm k. 00:28 < th> forwarded 00:29 < daja77> hmm 00:29 < daja77> build/generic-2.0.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/var/adm/logs/0-mine.log 00:29 < daja77> build/generic-2.0.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/var/adm/logs/1-mine.log 00:29 < daja77> build/generic-2.0.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/var/adm/logs/5-mine.log 00:29 < daja77> thx 00:30 < daja77> well it says, patch required for cross builds, seems that you are running a cross build (at least it looks like it in your log) 00:30 < th> yea the problem does not seem to exist in reference build 00:31 < th> daja77: definee "you are running a cross build" 00:31 < daja77> selected a checkbox cross-build in Config 00:32 < th> [ ] This is a cross-build between architectures 00:32 < th> so i'm NOT doing a cross build 00:32 < daja77> ic 00:32 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:32 < th> and cliffs patch does not fix the problem 00:32 < th> *sigh* 00:32 < daja77> oh 00:33 < daja77> well optimization then perhaps 00:33 < th> hmm 00:33 < th> why does my log say "/local/rock2/trunk/build/default-2.0.0-rc2-x86-i486-32-teha/tools.cross/crosscc/../lib/gc 00:33 < th> c-lib/i486-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/" 00:33 < th> when i'm NOT cross building? 00:34 < daja77> yepp that's why I was asking you 00:35 < daja77> maybe some magic decided that a cross build is needed for your optimization 00:35 < daja77> but that's beyond my control :) 00:36 < th> i'm afraid i'd need to restart the whole build when i switch to p-mmx 00:36 < daja77> exactly 00:41 < th> rxr: still with us? 00:45 < rxr> yes - but now off to bed ... 00:45 < th> ok. i sent you a mail about failing kdebase... 00:45 < th> but... 00:45 < th> sleep tight 00:46 < rxr> I think you see the use of the pseudo-cross-compiler ... 00:46 < rxr> n8 too all 00:46 < daja77> O_o failing kdebase ... 00:46 < daja77> rxr: hehe 00:46 < daja77> n8 rxr 00:46 < rxr> daja77: he is compiling with pam disabled ... 00:46 < daja77> :) 00:46 < th> pam disabled enables pseude-crosser? 00:47 < th> ahh 00:47 < th> shadow:shadow: usr/lib/libmisc.la 00:47 < th> pam provides a lib/libmisc.la ? 00:48 < th> shadow:shadow: lib/libmisc.so.0.0.0 00:48 < th> shadow:shadow: usr/lib/libmisc.a 00:48 < th> shadow:shadow: usr/lib/libmisc.la 00:48 < th> that's weird enough.. 00:48 * daja77 pats on th's back and trying to say silently that his build is a mess and should better start again 00:48 * daja77 runs 00:51 < th> i did not get the one with the pseudo-cross-compiler 00:52 < daja77> kdebase error could be related to overoptimzation as well 00:52 < daja77> package builded fine some days ago here, and hasn't changed 00:53 < th> yea but have pam enabled? 00:53 < th> and kdebase failed due to missing /lib/libmisc.la which might come from pam 00:57 < th> in shadow.conf: libdir="$root/lib" this does not seem to move libmisc.la from /usr/lib to /lib. i think some magic moves it back... (install_wrapper?) 00:57 < fake> hm, is there a nas-package? 01:00 < th> does libdir variable only specify path to .so files not to .a and .la? 01:00 -!- gila [~gila@cc16711-a.delfz1.gr.home.nl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:25 -!- Zombi [~zombi@dsl-082-082-051-113.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:25 * daja77 off to bed 01:26 * Lorini too 01:26 < daja77> n8 Lorini 01:26 < Lorini> n8 :) 01:28 < fake> hi Lorini 01:28 < fake> aeh 01:28 < fake> n8 01:33 -!- Zombi [~zombi@dsl-082-082-051-113.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 01:42 -!- jvc [~jvc@co97886-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:43 < mnemoc> th: .{a,la} are forced to be at /usr/lib 01:43 < th> mnemoc: and why does kdebase search for them at /lib? 01:44 < th> 5-kdebase31.err: 01:44 < th> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/lib/libmisc.la' 01:44 < mnemoc> kdebase has to be fixed 01:45 < th> but it's only a pamless-kdebase problem? 01:45 < mnemoc> i think so 01:45 < mnemoc> kdebase's Makefile must be 'if-then-else' it 01:47 < th> i see 01:47 < mnemoc> i guess /lib/libmisc.la is staticly defined somewhere 01:48 < th> that's too ad 01:48 < th> s//b/ 01:48 < th> so for now kdebase requires pam 01:50 < mnemoc> cd src.kdebase.*/R.src/kdebase*; grep 'libmisc.la' * 01:51 < th> nothin' 01:51 < mnemoc> grep -r? 01:52 < th> nothin' 01:53 < mnemoc> ?? 01:53 < th> there is no 'libmisc.la' in whole kdebase sources 01:54 < th> anyways i'll quickfix for now 01:54 < mnemoc> can you rebuild it with xtrace enabled and paste (/query) the tail -40 of ERROR-LOG? 01:54 < mnemoc> ok 01:55 < th> wrt the libtool call that happens in kdebase-build it really depends on pam 01:56 < th> at least when configured that way 01:58 < mnemoc> is /lib/libmisc.la reference inside libtool or ltmain? 01:59 < th> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/lib/libmisc.la' 02:00 < th> /bin/sh ../libtool --silent --mode=link gcc-3 -ansi -W -Wall -pedantic -Wshadow -Wpointe 02:00 < th> r-arith -Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -DNDEBUG - 02:00 < th> O2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -o kcheckpass kcheckpass.o checkpass_etcpasswd.o checkpass_pam.o ch 02:00 < th> eckpass_shadow.o checkpass_osfc2passwd.o checkpass_aix.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/opt/qt31/lib 02:00 < th> -L/opt/kde31/lib -lkdefakes -lcrypt -lshadow 02:00 < th> the error follows the call. of course 02:02 < th> interested in whole .err file? 02:05 < mnemoc> por /query 02:05 < th> ouhm 02:05 < th> really? 02:05 < mnemoc> al menos uns 10 lineas antes del error del libtool 02:05 < mnemoc> oops 02:05 < mnemoc> sorry 02:06 < th> ahh 02:06 < mnemoc> at least 10 lines before libtool's errrr 02:06 < th> i think i got it 02:06 < mnemoc> too many different windows :( 02:06 < mnemoc> lang-switch is hard this days 03:10 < A-Tui> bitstream-vera-fonts should be built after X-System? 03:10 < A-Tui> or before it? 03:11 < mnemoc> see the deps on the cache file ;) 03:13 < A-Tui> well, the deps file don't show the X-System to be needed, but bitstream fails beouse it tries to to do a 'cp' in /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts 03:13 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: SMP 03:14 -!- SMP_ [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SMP 03:19 -!- SMP [~stefanp@80.65.41.2] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:42 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 04:08 < fake> hrmpf. 04:08 < fake> domainfactory had the same idea i had... 04:08 < fake> https://ssl.domainfactory.de/kunde/uebersicht.php 04:11 < fake> evolution seems to hate me, too... *sigh* 04:11 < fake> i see, this is going to be one of *those* days 04:44 < fake> ... 04:47 < mnemoc> is it getting better? 05:02 < fake> well, the site was usable for a change 05:02 < fake> and webalizer seems to work, too 05:03 < fake> i could even get the site transition done before 8:00 - with no sleep at all. 05:11 < mnemoc> congrats ;) 05:15 < mnemoc> go for it 05:31 < mnemoc> my head is gooing to explote :( 05:39 < fake> what's up? 05:46 < mnemoc> big headache, too much work and i broke my 'thing' for the bruxism :( 05:47 < fake> huh? 05:47 < fake> wtf is 'bruxism' ? 05:48 < mnemoc> https://www.austindental.com/more/bruxism.shtml 05:50 < mnemoc> acording to that webpage my thing is called 'nightguard' ;) 05:50 < fake> ah 05:50 < fake> some kind of plastic to keep you from chewing on your own teeth? 05:51 < mnemoc> yep :) 05:51 < mnemoc> i broke it last night 05:51 < fake> hey, now that i see that pic, i had such a thing once, too 05:52 < fake> but it was intended to keep my teeth where they are... 05:52 < fake> after a ... aeh..unfall.. accident 05:52 < fake> so you're going to stay up and visit the dentist first thing this morning, hm? 05:53 < mnemoc> did they keep where they were? 05:53 < mnemoc> friday :( 05:53 < fake> urgh 05:53 < fake> guess you'll need ephedrine for a period that long 05:54 < mnemoc> i'll buy it this morning :) 05:55 < mnemoc> if i don't cut my head off first 05:57 < fake> aspirin, ibuprofen, paracetamol... and if that doesn't help, alcohol, whatever... 06:14 < fake> wow... site transition seems ok so far 06:15 < mnemoc> 7am then? 06:16 < fake> seems more like 6:30 06:17 < mnemoc> =) 06:20 < fake> wee. 06:20 < fake> mnemoc: i hope your next nightguard has extra-strength - so i can go to bed without a 'schlechtes gewissen' 06:22 < fake> like now 06:22 < fake> gn8! 06:22 < mnemoc> :) 06:22 < mnemoc> gn8 fake 06:24 < mnemoc> 1:31 minutes before 'expected time', enjoy them 07:04 < blindcoder> moin moin 07:26 < christian_> moin moin 08:30 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip73-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 08:30 < Mike1> moin 08:30 < blindcoder> moin moin 08:31 < Mike1> hi blindy 08:34 * blindcoder now monitoring his hard disk temperature with hddtemp :) 08:34 * Mike1 pokes owl with a stick 08:34 < blindcoder> owl? who left the window open? 08:35 < Mike1> :) 08:41 < rxr> re 08:41 < rxr> moint Mike1 08:42 < rxr> moin christian_ 08:43 < Mike1> Ren.. :) 08:43 < blindcoder> moin rxr 08:47 * Mike1 making coffee.. 08:52 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-9-39.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 08:53 < Mike1> ok back to work cu 08:53 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip73-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 08:53 < DeElsasser> moin 09:04 < blindcoder> is add_flist b0rkon? or am I just too stupid to use it? 09:57 < Lorini> moin 09:57 < fake> mornin' ... 09:57 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:59 < Lorini> i hate sundays.. and i hate, when they're gone 09:59 < blindcoder> why? 09:59 < Lorini> very good question 09:59 < Lorini> i don't know 09:59 < Lorini> just a feeling 10:00 < blindcoder> hmm... 10:00 < blindcoder> I know why I hate them, because I always have to be angry at Melanie, my dance-partner 10:01 < Lorini> why? 10:01 < blindcoder> rxr: why is $root empty when doing '/scripts/Build-Pkg pkg' ? 10:02 < fake> empty $root = / 10:02 < blindcoder> Lorini: because we're now doing the GoldStar-lessons, and already did the Gold-lessons, and she's been at a dance-party on Sundays THREE TIMES! 10:02 < fake> see option -root 10:02 < blindcoder> fake: echo $root --> '\n' 10:02 < fake> yeah 10:03 < blindcoder> d'ouh 10:03 < fake> --root= means '/' 10:03 < Lorini> GoldStar, wow 10:03 < blindcoder> so I have to do a myroot=${root:-/} or what? 10:03 < fake> (could you think of a better interpretion ? ) 10:03 < fake> no, just say ./scripts/Build-Pkg -root /my/root 10:03 < blindcoder> Lorini: fyeah, and since she's never at a dance-party although she said she will be... 10:04 < fake> Build-Target calls Build-Pkg with the right $root 10:04 < blindcoder> fake: well, that's wrong behaviour imo 10:04 < blindcoder> if it's empty, it should be set directly to /, but okay, now I know and I'll handle 10:04 < fake> what would you hardcode? 10:05 < fake> i think not-passes -root says: option not set ... 10:05 < fake> s,passes,passed, 10:05 < blindcoder> yes, but it needs to be set so that var_append "--with-db=$root$prefix/share/hddtemp/hddtemp.db" works 10:06 < blindcoder> var_append extraconfopt " " \1 10:08 < blindcoder> well, that's obviously wrong 10:09 < blindcoder> mkdir -vp $root$prefix/share/hddtemp/ 10:09 < blindcoder> that's what I meant 10:10 < fake> centericq 4.9.6 is out 10:10 < blindcoder> with that, it would get rock-src/src.$id/hddtemp-0.3-beta8/usr/share/hddtemp 10:10 < blindcoder> which is wrong 10:10 * blindcoder using licq 10:11 < fake> blindcoder: i understand your problem, but am unable to point you to a quick solution, unfortunately. 10:11 < fake> but that problem should have been solved before and documented in some package... 10:11 < blindcoder> I now just used myroot=${root:-/} and it works :) 10:12 < fake> maye a grep -r for $prefix - which is only userful with a $root set 10:13 < blindcoder> hmm 10:13 < fake> btw, 2.6.0-test6 is very nice 10:13 < blindcoder> [ ! -f "$root/$prefix/lib/libxfce4util.so.1" ] 10:13 < blindcoder> I haven't tried 2.6 yet 10:13 < fake> $root/$prefix sounds more reasonable to me 10:13 < blindcoder> that works also 10:13 < fake> as //$prefix doesn't work 10:13 < fake> aeh 10:14 < fake> will work, too 10:14 < blindcoder> yes... 10:14 < blindcoder> I'll use that then 10:14 < fake> and it doesn't cost the cputime to see wether $root is empty ;) 10:15 < blindcoder> jepp :) 10:15 < fake> 2.6.0-test6 fixed all the fscked up bluetooth stuff in -test5, which i was very unhappy about, and started using 2.4.22-mh1 again 10:15 < blindcoder> no bluetooth around here :) 10:15 < fake> now - besides the nvidia kernel module - all works fine. 10:15 < blindcoder> hmm.. wasn't there a howto somewhere on how to build hte nvidia module for 2.6? 10:16 < blindcoder> I thought I saw it once 10:16 < blindcoder> okay, works, /me now sending new patch 10:16 < fake> i tried it ;) 10:17 < fake> but that was... well, experimental. 10:17 < fake> (nothing new with the nvidia kernel module, though *g*) 10:19 < blindcoder> hehe 10:19 < blindcoder> the new one finally has good xinerama support 10:19 < blindcoder> now the two screen really are two seperate ones, and not one big 2560x1024 one :) 10:20 < fake> wow 10:23 < blindcoder> so I can finally make real, good use of my two monitors :-) 10:23 < blindcoder> if only the games would have Xinerama support now >_< 10:24 < [anders]_> moin 10:24 -!- [anders]_ is now known as [anders] 10:24 < blindcoder> moin moin [anders] 10:24 < fake> hi [anders] 10:24 < [anders]> lo blindcoder, fake 10:24 * [anders] is tired.. 10:25 < blindcoder> bzflag is about the only game I know which can be played better if you have three monitors :) 10:25 < fake> doom 10:25 < fake> you could run 3 instances with rotated view 10:25 < fake> communicating the displacement over network 10:25 < fake> (IPX, of course ;) 10:26 < blindcoder> sweet :) 10:27 * fake away 10:33 < netrunner> moin 10:33 < blindcoder> moin moin 10:33 < netrunner> can anybody recommend a health insurance for students (in by) 10:37 < blindcoder> no, I'm no insurance pro, ask your inbox :) 10:43 < SMP_> netrunner: BY? what are you doing in Belarus? ;) 10:47 < netrunner> SMP: did I say that's a countrycode? :) 10:50 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 10:52 -!- DeElsasser [~DeElsasse@ANancy-110-1-9-39.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("Client exiting") 10:52 < th> morning 10:52 < blindcoder> moin moin 10:56 * blindcoder --> lunch 10:58 < th> anyone noticed problems with x11/imagemagick in stage [7]? 10:58 < th> it just hangs 10:58 < th> == 05:25:38 =[7]=> Building x11/imagemagick [5.5.7-10 2.0.0-rc2]. 10:58 < th> not finished till now 10:59 < th> checking for gs PDF writing device... 10:59 < th> in configure 11:00 < th> there it hangs 11:01 * daja77 waves 11:03 < th> daja77: tell me about it 11:03 < daja77> about what 11:04 < th> well 11:04 < th> i asked weather anyone notices x11/imagemagick in stage [7] problems 11:04 < th> and you waved 11:04 < daja77> yes i waved to greet you 11:05 < th> ah ok ;) 11:05 < daja77> i haven't noticed cos my build hasn't reached stage 7 yet 11:05 < th> btw mine problems resist on p-mmx 11:05 < daja77> 980 builds total, 475 completed fine, 7 with errors. 11:05 < th> ok. off for breakfast 11:05 < daja77> the usual suspects btw 11:06 * daja77 off too, goin to work 11:16 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux 11:16 < hopelessOwl> moin 11:16 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-081-210.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:23 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-081-080.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:29 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E248.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:29 < jsaw> re 11:30 < jsaw> aaahhh: Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (exp .. 11:30 < jsaw> (while building libglade10) 11:31 < th> re 11:32 < jsaw> hi th 11:36 < blindcoder> moin owl, welcome back :) 11:37 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford 11:37 < blindcoder> moin clifford 11:37 < clifford> moin. 11:37 < th> moin clifford 12:00 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 12:00 < scythe_> hi 12:08 < hopelessOwl> hi clifford 12:09 < blindcoder> [ insert obligatory comment here ] 12:09 < clifford> hi th, scythe_, hopelessOwl and blindcoder ... 12:12 < blindcoder> strange feeling, leaving your workplace after 4 years... 12:17 < th> can i enforce g++-3 instead of gcc-3 for a package? 12:17 < th> for linking 12:18 < th> the package sets CC=g++-3 in makefile. 12:19 < th> but gcc-3 is used 12:20 < jsaw> 2.6.0-test6: <akpm@osdl.org> [PATCH] mark devfs obsolete 12:20 < blindcoder> hrm? 12:20 < daja77> btw we still have test4 in rock 12:21 < blindcoder> welll, right now I'm perfectly fine with 2.4.21 12:24 < th> is CC the analogue to CXX as gcc to g++? 12:25 < jsaw> th: do you see any problems with using gcc and not g++ for linking? 12:26 < th> jsaw: i could send you an error log. in there i suspect gcc instead of g++ might be the problem 12:26 < th> jsaw: your mail addr? 12:27 < jsaw> query me 12:27 < scythe_> have 2 go, bye... 12:27 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ("run out of coffee") 12:52 < fake> re 12:53 < Lorini> re fake 12:53 < fake> hi Lorini 12:56 < daja77> moin fake 12:56 < fake> heyho speedy gonzales 12:57 < daja77> ahem ... 12:58 < Lorini> :) 13:00 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@dsl-082-082-080-202.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:05 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-081-080.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:09 < daja77> anybody with some knowledge how to put cvs urls in desc files here? 13:11 < jsaw> grep cvs:// package/*/*/*.desc 13:12 < daja77> thx 13:12 < th> hmmm is there a problem with time.fu-berlin.de ? 13:20 * fake -> away 13:24 < th> oh oh. last perl patch seems to break vim 13:26 < christian_> moin :) 13:43 -!- daja77 [[joArasIwL@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:51 -!- daja77|work [~daja77|wo@153.96.44.132] has joined #rocklinux 13:57 < Lorini> re 13:57 < daja77|work> wb Lorini 13:58 < Lorini> äh no, i wanted to say wb to you :) 13:58 < Lorini> maybe i should have said "wb" 13:58 < daja77|work> hehe :) 14:05 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-125.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 -!- daja77 [[rJAxmIWdl@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:16 < Lorini> wb daja ;) 14:17 < daja77> :) 14:17 * daja77|work is not needed anymore 14:17 -!- daja77|work [~daja77|wo@153.96.44.132] has quit ("dying happily") 14:20 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #RockLinux 14:28 -!- Lorini [~blah@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit ("Ich bin doch der Liebling der Götter..") 14:30 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 14:39 < fake> Artowrk 14:39 < fake> Artwork, even 14:39 < Lorini> jop 14:39 < daja77> hm? 14:39 < fake> Oswald Henke rulez. 14:39 < Lorini> my quit msg 14:40 < daja77> hehe that reminded me of asterix ... 14:40 < Lorini> lol 14:40 < fake> Wo bleibt der Morgen, wo das Licht... 14:40 < Lorini> but now its a new msg ;) 14:40 < daja77> hehe show us 14:40 < Lorini> nah, its my old msg 14:41 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has left #RockLinux ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 14:41 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #RockLinux 14:41 < daja77> :) 14:41 < daja77> the old one 14:41 < Lorini> jepp 14:41 * fake angry at debian 14:42 < daja77> :) 14:42 < blindcoder> who is Oswald Henke? 14:42 < fake> they updated _something_ and now run-parts is broken - you can imagine what that means. 14:42 < blindcoder> I know someone with name Henke, and hee always calls with the most stupid problems... 14:42 < hopelessOwl> saenger of goethes erben 14:42 < fake> Oswald Henke is an artitst, of goethes erben fame 14:42 < fake> but he also does lots of side-projects 14:42 < blindcoder> okay, so I don't _have_ to know that name... 14:43 < fake> well, you should. 14:43 < Lorini> *g* 14:43 < Lorini> lets say: there are people who do.. 14:44 < fake> Wolfgang Heppner and Oswald Henke performing "Glasgarten" si wonderful 14:44 < Lorini> mhm 14:45 < blindcoder> hmm... should I go home now, or should I wait the remaining 15 minutes? 14:45 < daja77> go home 14:45 < blindcoder> sounds reasonable :) 14:46 < Lorini> stay 14:46 < Lorini> *g* 14:46 < daja77> hmm Lorini likes seeing ppl work 14:46 < Lorini> of course 14:49 < rolla> re 14:49 < daja77> wb rolla 14:49 * netrunner is utterly bored. 14:49 < daja77> go shopping! 14:49 < daja77> :) 14:49 * fake brabbling and cursing, often using the word "debian" 14:50 < daja77> debilian ... 14:50 * Lorini singing and laughing 14:50 < daja77> yeah sing for us 14:51 < hopelessOwl> GOD!!!!!! havent ever seen such dumb brainless people like in saturn market!!!! 14:51 < Lorini> ahm no.. daja ;) 14:51 * fake overly amused by the fact that he is still alive 14:51 < fake> hopelessOwl: what's vroken? 14:51 < fake> s,v,b, 14:51 < daja77> Lorini: why 14:52 < Lorini> daja: guess why 14:52 * fake having a anti-debian-cigarette 14:52 < daja77> d'oh ok, should think before typing 14:52 < netrunner> can anyone borrow me an evc(f) to vga(m) adapter? 14:53 < hopelessOwl> fake: broken? nothing. i just ordered a flash-cable... and those assholes don't know if ordered, what it is doing, what a flash-cable is (had to explain that to them) and who did the order... 14:53 < th> what is a flash cable? 14:54 < hopelessOwl> th: *kick* a datacable which is just designed to update firmware and/or unlock a mobile 14:54 < th> ahh i see 14:55 < th> i'd never buy that at saturn ;) 14:55 < daja77> th would go to vobis 14:55 * daja77 runs away 14:55 < th> hehe exactly ;) 14:55 < hopelessOwl> th: why? 14:55 < netrunner> it smells like vobis, has daja77 recently been here? 14:56 < th> hopelessOwl: because they are incompetent there 14:56 * daja77 sniffes after netrunner 14:56 < Lorini> lol 14:58 < hopelessOwl> yes, sure... but i just ordered it... and i know what exactly i want... normally it shouldn't be a problem to order a cable? to type in a pc how the cable is called, search for it and click "order"? 14:58 < th> you name it! so why won't you do it yourself 14:59 < hopelessOwl> because i don't have connections to people selling it (and i'm not buying stuff online) 14:59 < th> google could help you establishing the connection 15:00 < th> not buying stuff online... 15:00 < th> hmmm 15:00 < th> i couldn't live without that 15:00 * daja77 neither 15:00 < hopelessOwl> hehe. i would die with selling stuff online... maybe i'm just too paranoid or so... 15:01 < daja77> yepp paranoid is the word i was searching for 15:01 < hopelessOwl> why? 15:01 * fake could have ordered it 15:02 < hopelessOwl> nah, thx, fake. too late ;p 15:04 < fake> these debianists.. now they silently fixed what they broke yesterday... 15:04 < fake> *shakes head* 15:04 < fake> and i had to drive 30 km to do one apt-get dist-upgrade 15:04 < fake> just because the default route wasn't set correctly... 15:04 < fake> *sigh* 15:05 < hopelessOwl> haeh? 15:05 < daja77> fake: don't complain, they are always stable and they are always the best 15:06 * fake activates the wheelchair jammer 15:06 < fake> hehehe 15:07 < daja77> fake: i don't get, have you never experienced debian's god like existence 15:09 < hopelessOwl> daja77: *kick* 15:09 < daja77> why 15:09 < daja77> hey that's what they are telling me 15:09 < hopelessOwl> then they're fscking liars 15:10 < daja77> sure 15:10 < rolla> daja77: debian is useless 15:10 < hopelessOwl> .oO(if debian = godlike, then /me is called "jesus") 15:10 * fake is jesus 15:10 < daja77> rolla: i know, that's why I am here and not in #debian 15:10 < hopelessOwl> fake: where are you're "sandalen"? 15:11 < fake> hopelessOwl: actually, jesus wore no shoes. 15:11 < daja77> hehe aber gras in der tasche ... 15:11 < hopelessOwl> hm. k. 15:11 < hopelessOwl> daja77: *lol* 15:11 < fake> *g* 15:13 * fake driving home again 15:14 < fake> bbl 15:14 < hopelessOwl> bye fake *waves* 15:14 < Lorini> sounds funny.. 15:14 < daja77> bye fake 15:28 * netrunner testing different themes in irssi 15:28 * daja77 producing patches for rtai 15:29 < netrunner> .o( about the best thing to do atm ) 15:31 * netrunner counts his last hour at work today 15:31 < netrunner> hm .. foxmask looks ok 15:36 < fake> re. 15:36 < fake> i like that route... 15:36 < fake> pacing through the altmuehltal and the surrounding forrests 15:36 < fake> (with eisregen at full volume) 15:37 < daja77> and you call me speedy ... 15:37 < fake> daja77: i didn't go faster than 130 km/h, i know your tank can reach 145 ;) 15:38 < daja77> hehe even 165 ... 15:38 < fake> see? 15:39 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FE8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:39 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F3C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 15:39 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #RockLinux 15:39 < daja77> but i know that you weren't that fast with it, and it is no fun doin it for more than some minutes anyway 15:39 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 15:39 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:39 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 15:39 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 15:40 < daja77> oh quit time 15:40 < netrunner> my gf recently woke up while we were driving home from df and paniced because her first looks hit the tachometer :) 15:40 < daja77> well but i guess you have more than 85 ps 15:40 < netrunner> i then had to promise not to go faster than 200 in curves :) 15:41 < fake> the worst are mac users thaht drive bmw's... 15:41 < netrunner> daja77: well, in my car you cannot sleep when I touch the 200 :) 15:41 < netrunner> fake: they are only used to one pedal? 15:46 -!- tsa [~sjaenick@quetrupillan.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has joined #rocklinux 15:46 < tsa> hi all 15:46 < hopelessOwl> hi tsa 15:46 < fake> hi tsa! 15:46 < hopelessOwl> why mac-users, driving bmw? 15:47 < tsa> https://www.golem.de/0309/27657.html 15:47 < tsa> hehe 15:49 < netrunner> hm ... the paragui patch I sent upstream is the first message since half a year on the -dev mailinglist :/ 15:49 < daja77> lol @ tsa 16:11 < mnemoc> wireless drums communications, Inc. 16:12 < daja77> works only with windows *ggg* 16:23 < netrunner> daja77: maybe I can drum your head to make you hit the keys, isn't that similar? :) 16:25 < daja77> no 16:27 < netrunner> daja77: ah, isn't really far distance, let's see ... If I hit you with a sniper gun .. would you .. ? ;) 16:27 < rolla> fake: is something wrong with driving BMW's ? 16:27 < daja77> ... 16:28 < netrunner> ah, already 278 packages compiled and 1 error :) 16:28 < fake> rolla: no, but there's definitely something wrong with using mac os < 10 16:29 < rolla> fake: true 16:29 < rolla> OSX is nice :) 16:29 < daja77> don't tell rxr 16:29 < rolla> netrunner: you drive a BMW? 16:34 < daja77> rolla: how many of them do you have? 16:35 < netrunner> rolla: sometimes 16:36 < rolla> parents car? 16:46 * fake just switched to Maildir-based mail delivery 16:48 < hopelessOwl> <- going home 16:48 < hopelessOwl> bye 16:48 -!- hopelessOwl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("train") 16:48 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091f9a.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:50 < tsa> fake: uhm..why? 16:50 < tsa> and with which LDA? 16:52 < fake> LDA? 16:52 < fake> Local ... 16:52 < tsa> local delivery agent 16:52 < fake> postfix -> procmail 16:52 < tsa> ah 16:52 < tsa> hm.. 16:52 < tsa> use maildrop ;) 16:52 < fake> yeah? 16:52 < fake> i saw it flying by on google 16:52 < fake> but procmail works fine thus far...? 16:56 < tsa> have you ever had a look at the procmail source? 16:57 < fake> .... no ...? 16:57 < tsa> hehe 16:58 < tsa> unmaintainable code. 16:58 < blindcoder> well, we don't have to maintain it, do we? 16:58 < tsa> indeed. 16:58 < daja77> blindcoder: you'll never know 16:58 < blindcoder> daja77: as long as it compiles and works here, I'm fine :) 17:00 < daja77> hehe 17:00 < tsa> maildrop has several advantages over procmail 17:00 < tsa> groups.google.com - see message-id <vita-brevis-breviter-in-brevi-finietur-mors-venit-velociter-quae-neminem-veretur-87isruso0t.fsf@gothgoose.net> 17:01 < tsa> blindcoder: you probably won't be fine if it starts losing your mail. 17:03 < blindcoder> tsa: well, it didn't yet 17:03 < blindcoder> even when it went into state D and I had to reset my machine 17:03 < blindcoder> the mails still were in the spool 17:03 * netrunner going home soon :) 17:04 * blindcoder already at home :) 17:05 < fake> tsa: i'll have a look at it, thanks 17:05 < fake> .oO( will i have to rewrite all that patterns ? ) 17:07 * blindcoder --> coffee 17:10 * netrunner home, now. 17:13 < tsa> fake: yes, sure - but ~/.mailfilter syntax is quite easy 17:15 * fake compiling 17:16 < fake> good thing i converted my old mbox first ;) 17:18 < fake> ARGH 17:18 < fake> I HATE IT 17:18 < fake> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 17:25 < tsa> hehe 17:25 < tsa> feierabend! 17:25 < tsa> cu. 17:25 -!- tsa [~sjaenick@quetrupillan.TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:39 < rxr> re 17:40 < daja77> wb rxr 18:01 < rxr> ji daja77 18:01 < rxr> our ML grows too fast ... 18:02 < daja77> ack 18:02 < daja77> this sucks, two patches ready need some testing and have to wait for ages here 18:07 < rxr> wait for ages here, for what? 18:08 < daja77> downloads 18:08 < daja77> slow conn 18:10 < daja77> downloading patches via cvs now works btw 18:18 * netrunner @home, hungry. 18:18 * daja77 just got a picture of a really disgusting meal 18:23 < rolla> ? 18:23 < daja77> do you really wann know it 18:25 < netrunner> nice, just found a W32/Gibe-F in my =spam 18:26 < daja77> rolla: btw how do you liked f1 in usa? 18:28 * daja77 now doin build test 18:30 < daja77> 980 builds total, 565 completed fine, 9 with errors. 18:30 < rolla> daja77: 18:30 < daja77> ? 18:31 < rolla> daja77: I find it sicking how ms can get away with anything 18:31 < daja77> what do you mean 18:31 < rolla> he passed under yellow 18:31 < rolla> no penlty 18:31 < rolla> and german press hail him as a bloody hero 18:31 < rolla> that and his rain tyres were bloody slicks 18:31 < rolla> again no penlty 18:31 < daja77> i don't like him, you know 18:32 < rolla> FIA is ferreai lap dohgb 18:32 < rolla> s/dohgb/dog/ 18:32 < rolla> that man has cheated his way to atleast 3 of his 6 titles 18:32 < daja77> they gave penalties to drivers who were before him 18:32 < rolla> yes 18:33 < rolla> jpm got one for causing accedent but that was a more questionable one than if they gave one to MS 18:33 < rolla> daily Bild is full of crap 18:33 < daja77> it has ever been 18:34 < rolla> oh well I have lost intrest in the sport 18:34 < daja77> you see 18:34 < rolla> until MS either dies or quits 18:35 < daja77> just watched a few laps by accident 18:35 < rolla> I really like the sport as a whole 18:35 < rolla> but ferraei it making a joke of the sport 18:35 < daja77> and the german tv is hailing him as well, that guy who is the german hero without paying taxes here and stuff 18:36 < rolla> RTL 18:36 < daja77> yepp crap station 18:36 < rolla> they pay him big money to only talk to them 18:36 < rolla> same for his brother 18:36 < daja77> yes and they are are talking bullshit the whole time 18:37 < rolla> not they we would hear it here in the states since it is on RTL 18:37 < daja77> good for you 18:38 < rolla> oh well maybe some one will push him off the track at suzuka like he has done to hill and vellinue 18:42 -!- iBook [~martin@pD9E7BBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < rxr> hi rolla 18:43 < rxr> iBook: ?!?! martin? 18:43 < daja77> hehe 18:43 < rolla> hallo rxr 18:43 < rxr> how are you, over there? 18:44 < rolla> doing okay 18:44 < rolla> I am working on setting up my new mail server :) 18:44 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802891.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 < daja77> rolla: rock based? 18:45 < rolla> :) 18:47 < rolla> rxr how are you on your side of the pond? 18:50 < rxr> oh - well too - first day at university for the new turn today ... 18:51 * rxr is shorlty away obtaining some food ... 18:51 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508023B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:54 < iBook> rxr: yes :-) 18:56 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 18:58 < daja77> hmm we'll see when he changes to netwalker 19:00 * netrunner jumps high into the air and lands with a mortal kick on daja77 19:00 < netrunner> has anybody seen that science report yesterday on n24? 19:02 * daja77 off goin home 19:02 < daja77> sending patches tomorrow 19:06 < rxr> netrunner: nope - not /me ... 19:09 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABAD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:17 < rxr> iBook: does (e.g.) https://www.falk-huebner.de/biographie.html now render better in thsi crippled IE ? 19:19 < iBook> rxr: you have mail ... 19:21 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M1211P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:42 -!- christian__ [~christian@p5083953A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 < iBook> rxr: ups, is the screenshot okay or have you change some things? 20:04 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39B11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:35 -!- RaphaelL [~raphael@213.162.66.71] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 < tcr> moin all 20:56 < jsaw> re 21:04 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009242.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:11 < iBook> gn8 all 21:13 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p508939ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:14 < tcr> gn8 iBook 21:15 < tcr> re jsaw; hi dreamind and ripclaw 21:15 < dreamind> hi tcr+ 21:17 < ripclaw> hi all hi tcr 21:17 < jsaw> hi tcr 21:17 < jsaw> hi all 21:18 < tcr> Still scaringly quiet in here... 21:19 < iBook> gn8 tcr 21:19 -!- iBook [~martin@pD9E7BBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("bye bye") 21:19 * jsaw is fixing gnome packages 21:19 < ripclaw> yeah. but i`m just working offline over a bunch of lists from silflex.com 21:20 * ripclaw waits for the server to finish installing rock 21:22 < ripclaw> yip. cvs update of openbsd done. 21:23 * ripclaw <-- is bored 21:25 * tcr is looking for a dictionary tool like Babylon(R) for Windowze(TM) 21:25 < ripclaw> www.omnigroup.com omnidict ? 21:27 < tcr> Yes, but I'm searching for something like that for Linux 21:27 < tcr> Babylon is some proprietary programm for windows (I'm not searching a tool for windows) 21:28 < ripclaw> look at the source stuff of omnigroup - you can compile it with gnustep 21:29 < ripclaw> under linux 21:31 < tcr> I don't want thousands of gui tool kits installed on my machine... but there're some helpful links to 3rd party software at dict.org 21:43 < RaphaelL> by the way... is rc2 already tagged? 21:45 < tcr> Not that I know of 21:46 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p508939ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:46 < RaphaelL> ok... and it doesn't look like that on the homepage 21:46 < RaphaelL> anyone knows if major changes are expected for the server target? 21:47 < tcr> In not-that-close future, yes 21:47 < RaphaelL> ah, and you know what? something that can be changed after installation (without too much trouble)? 21:48 < tcr> Sorry, I don't understand what you're actually asking 21:48 < netrunner> what has a 'echo "gimp-print found. Will use it as printer driver ..."' to do in a .conf file? 21:49 < RaphaelL> if some changes are expected for the server target 21:49 < RaphaelL> and if these changes are hard/troublesome to adapt after installing a server with the current rock version 21:50 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p508939ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:51 < tcr> RaphaelL, well iirc the server target isn't anything very fancy atm, is it? 21:51 < netrunner> RaphaelL: the changes will probably affect the list of packages contained or how you select them. the packages themselves remain clean as it is Rock like. 21:52 < RaphaelL> so it actually is only the "installation process" itself that might change (?) 21:52 < jsaw> netrunner: 'echo "gimp-print found. [snip]', where is this? 21:52 < RaphaelL> -> which results in: yes, just install this server and you can update packages afterwards anyway 21:52 < RaphaelL> correct? 21:53 < netrunner> jsaw: package/x11/ghostscript/ghostscript.conf 21:53 < tcr> RaphaelL, Yes 21:53 < RaphaelL> ah, nice 21:53 < jsaw> netrunner: o_O 21:54 < RaphaelL> hmm, well, so it won't be a "very clean" release I'm using 21:54 < RaphaelL> any known problems with current svn version? 21:54 < RaphaelL> ("very clean" == 2.0.0 final) 21:56 < tcr> RaphaelL, I don't think that the server target as such will be touched before 2.0.0 final, if at all in 2.0) 21:56 < RaphaelL> ok, thank you very much for the info 21:56 < netrunner> RaphaelL: targets are more or less a package reselection with tiny customizations. 21:57 < netrunner> s/re/pre/ 21:57 < RaphaelL> yep, thanks :) 21:57 < RaphaelL> another question: how much data is a ./scripts/Download all ? 21:58 < tcr> quite a lot 21:58 < tcr> >3gb 21:58 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091f9a.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:58 < RaphaelL> *g* any idea? 2,5 GB? >3GB.... hmm 21:59 < SMP> no, just under 2GB 21:59 < RaphaelL> aha, that doesn't hurt so much 21:59 < tcr> SMP, Really? 21:59 < RaphaelL> because then I would be able to build just any target out of it 21:59 < SMP> probably 20% more on the wire due to later recompression to bzip2 21:59 < SMP> tcr: $ du -sh download/ 21:59 < SMP> 1,8G download 22:00 < SMP> and that's mostly -list-unknown clean 22:00 < tcr> and it's -all? 22:00 < SMP> of course 22:01 < tcr> Uhm... my memory seems to be b0rken 22:01 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p508939ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:01 < tcr> maybe I had a somewhat accumulated download/ to that time 22:02 < RaphaelL> hmm, and that requires a subversion version of 0.29 (+/-1)? 22:02 < RaphaelL> (currently only 0.26 and 0.27 here) 22:02 < jsaw> netrunner: gimp-print is anyway for gimp-1.2, I don't understand why we have it... (me refuses to put it in gnome24) 22:04 < SMP> jsaw: I thought gimp-print were just printer-drivers independent from The Gimp. cups uses them, too ... 22:04 < tcr> RaphaelL, I'm using a statically linked version from https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/clients/ 22:05 < RaphaelL> ah, nice ... just was about to download the rock-rc1 and ./scripts/UpdateSrc to current version 22:05 < RaphaelL> but a static linked svn is great, thanks for the link!! 22:06 < tcr> mom, the link doesn't work 22:06 < RaphaelL> *g*, correct 22:08 < tcr> RaphaelL, https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/clients/ 22:09 < RaphaelL> thx 22:09 < jsaw> SMP: from 4.3.21 changelog: The Print plugin for the Gimp requires the Gimp 1.2 (later versions of he Gimp are not supported). 22:10 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009242.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has quit (":x") 22:11 < netrunner> 4598 /space/linux/rock-download 22:11 * netrunner is also known as 'keeps the linux history alive' :) 22:16 * netrunner just installed 2.0.0-rc1 ... is that /usr/usr of kbd fixed? 22:18 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABAD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Leaving") 22:19 < th> even with pam in my target, kdeadmin fails due to missing /lib/libmisc.la 22:19 < th> re folks btw 22:38 < SMP> I didn't see any connection to PAM in the first place ;-> 22:40 < SMP> th: try making kdeadmin use dynamic libs 22:40 < SMP> it worked with the other package ;-> (and it's a good idea in general) 22:42 < netrunner> jsaw: my point was more the echo, it messes with the nice build output. 22:42 * netrunner has now 6GHz compiling rock (currently) 22:42 < th> SMP: kdebase behaves different with and without pam 22:43 < th> SMP: it does not fail with pam 22:43 * netrunner -> bed 22:43 < SMP> yes, but libmisc has nothing to do with pam 22:44 < th> yes i learned that some minutes ago 22:50 < RaphaelL> huh, ROCK Server target is still considered "experimental" ?? 23:01 < RaphaelL> well, I wish you all a good night (those in europe time zone) 23:06 -!- RaphaelL [~raphael@213.162.66.71] has quit ("Leaving") --- Log closed Tue Sep 30 00:00:57 2003