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--- Log opened Fri Oct 03 00:00:40 2003 --- Day changed Fri Oct 03 2003 00:00 < esden> Jeszcze Polska nie zginela puki my zyjemy, co nam obca przemoc wziela sila odbiezemy. Marsz marsz dombrowski z ziemi Wloskiej do Polski. Za twoim przewodem zlaczym sie z narodem. 00:00 < Freak> I'm satisfied as long as you guys believe me when I say what I just said :) I wish I could myself.... but well I'm getting to sound a bit too owly recently so I better stop talking full stop. 00:01 < daja77> hehe good :) 00:01 < esden> hehe ... we should introduce the owl scala? 00:02 < daja77> hehe 00:03 < Freak> good one :) 00:08 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 < A-Tui> hola all 00:08 < tcr> Freak, https://www.bundestag.de/dasparlament/2002/17/panorama/036.html 00:09 < tcr> Freak, ganz runtterscrollen, zweitletzer absatz 00:09 * daja77 goes back to bed again 00:10 < tcr> Soviel dazu. 00:15 < Freak> tcr: https://www.bund.de/Hintergrund/Protokoll/Protokoll-und-staatliche-Repraesentation/Deutsche-Symbole/Nationalhymne/Briefwechsel-zur-Nationalhymne-1991-.5560.htm 00:17 < Freak> https://www.bund.de/Hintergrund/Protokoll/Protokoll-und-staatliche-Repraesentation/Deutsche-Symbole/Nationalhymne-.5502.htm 00:17 < Freak> "Nach der Wiedervereinigung Deutschlands erklärten Bundespräsident Dr. Richard von Weizsäcker und Bundeskanzler Dr. Helmut Kohl in einem Briefwechsel vom August 1991 die dritte Strophe des Deutschlandlieds zur Nationalhymne." 00:18 < Freak> that clearly states that you're not wrong. 00:19 < Freak> considering the time when the DDR still existed. 00:19 < Freak> you live in the past, boy 00:19 < tcr> Blah 00:19 < Freak> hehehe 00:19 < tcr> Werd erstmal h?flicher bevor du nochmal mit mir diskutieren willst. Danke 00:20 < Freak> oh comeon I was kidding 00:22 < tcr> Die url die ich dir oben exemplarisch gegeben hatte gibt mir recht 00:22 < Freak> gut dass wir bloß eine meinung brauchen um recht zu haben. das nennt man objektivität. 00:22 < tcr> Ich hat weitere texte gefunden wo das genauso drin steht 00:23 < tcr> Les mal was ich gesagt habt 00:23 < Freak> ja und deine staatlichen quellen haben natürlich mehr recht als meine, japp. 00:23 < tcr> Ich hab nicht gesagt ich habe recht 00:23 < tcr> und objektivit?t existiert sowieso nicht 00:23 < Freak> darf ich zitieren: "<tcr> I'm still sure that I'm right" 00:23 < Freak> das ist subjektiv. 00:24 < Freak> du bist ein schlechter verlierer 00:24 < tcr> Nein, du blickst aber nicht den kontext 00:24 < Freak> erst den verlezten mimen weil ich nen spaß gemacht hab, jetzt ausweichen.. naja whatever. 00:24 < Freak> is ok 00:24 < tcr> ich: " Die url die ich dir oben exemplarisch gegeben hatte gibt mir recht" 00:25 < tcr> du als antwort: "gut dass wir blo eine meinung brauchen um recht zu haben." 00:25 < tcr> ich als antwort darauf: "Ich hab [in dem obigen satz] nicht gesagt ich habe recht" 00:25 < Freak> japp. ich hab auch für alle denkfehler ne erklärung :) 00:26 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.159.109.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("Client exiting") 00:27 < tcr> wie ist das jetzt gemeint?! 00:27 < Freak> wie ich schon sagte: imho weichst du aus. 00:28 < tcr> Wo? 00:29 < Freak> also verarschen kann ich mich auch selber. ende. 00:29 < tcr> Ahja 00:30 < tcr> Nun weichst _du_ unwiederlegbar aus 00:30 < tcr> Ich hab eigentlich nur versucht klarzumachen, dass man nicht so einfach sagen dass es so oder so ist 00:33 < tcr> Ich finds ehrlich schei?e so zu reagieren. Wir benutzen hier ein Medium das sogar weniger fehler-tolerant ist als Sprache an sich. Da treten zwangl?ufig Kommunikationsprobleme auf, aber bei Versuchen die wettzumachen sich konsequent ignorant zu verhalten ist nicht grad produktiv 00:33 < Freak> don't take it personal. 00:34 < tcr> Du solltest es nicht pers?nlich nehmen, weil das nun konstruktive kritik an dir sein soll 00:35 < Freak> ich kann es alles widerlegen, sagte aber bereits, dass ich mich nicht weiter zur diskussion äußern werde. :) 00:35 < Freak> maybe next year. 00:35 < tcr> Ok. 00:35 < Freak> and now let's a) switch back to english for politeness' sake and b) let's forget it 00:36 < tcr> Ich kann ja auch schlie?lich fliegen ;) 00:36 < Freak> that's wonderful for you. 00:37 < tcr> It's just that I'm about to sleep but I won't be able if something stays poorly discussed 00:37 < A-Tui> hi, scrtips scripts/Check-Deps[1-2] are only for internal use? 00:37 < Freak> let me explain why I stopped the discussion: I felt you were fleeing from it using techniques I don't appreciate in a discussion. 00:38 < Freak> this is a subjective impression. 00:38 < Freak> founded in my experience in discussion. 00:38 < Freak> on 00:38 < Freak> whatever. 00:39 < fake> nabend 00:39 < Freak> evening fake 00:39 < tcr> A-Tui, how do you define internal use? 00:40 < A-Tui> only called when uses Build-Target 00:40 < A-Tui> i have now about 400 packages broken 00:41 < A-Tui> most of then can't found some libs (glib12) and other fails at compiling time becouse of references not found in .o files 00:41 < tcr> A-Tui, grep 'Check-Dep' scripts/* yiels that these scripts aren't executed in any other script 00:42 < A-Tui> mmmm i generate a .patch via Check-Dep 00:43 < fake> Freak is annoying ppl again, i see *g* 00:43 < A-Tui> i'm a little confused how to fix it 00:43 < fake> A-Tui: did you alter the package selection ? 00:43 < tcr> Freak, Yeah and I asked where I was doing that according to you opinion. I couldn't see where, so there seemingly was a lack or loss of communication, thus I asked you 'wo?' 00:43 < A-Tui> yes fake 00:44 < A-Tui> i put O kde* 00:44 < fake> A-Tui: you are aware of the fact that compile time dependencies are not enforced? 00:44 < fake> A-Tui: that is indeed a very nice setting. ;) 00:44 < tcr> Freak, and I can't see what's so wrong on that question that it made you go out of the discussion... 00:44 < A-Tui> i think i have seen now :) 00:45 < A-Tui> fake: the Check-Dep could help me true? 00:45 < fake> A-Tui: i have no idea what Check-Deps is for - maybe updating the [DEP] sections in .desc-files from the .cache files after a reference build... 00:45 < fake> (which would be a maintainer-only thing then) 00:46 < Freak> tcr: we should probably really found a #politics.de channel :) 00:46 < fake> and rxr isn't here - what a pitty. 00:46 < fake> Freak: how about #freakchamber ? 00:46 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.vry.sgsnet.se] has joined #rocklinux 00:46 < Freak> yea or #fakestomb 00:46 < A-Tui> fake: i will try it 00:46 < A-Tui> thanks 00:47 < tfing> hi 00:47 < fake> A-Tui: ask rxr what it does, if he doesn't know, delete it ;)) 00:47 < A-Tui> XD 00:47 < tcr> A-Tui, why don't you redo a build with glib? 00:47 < fake> Freak: fakestomb... i like that *g* 00:47 < A-Tui> tcr: i did it 00:47 < Freak> fake :) 00:47 < fake> complete rebuild - from scratch? 00:48 < A-Tui> fake: i understand 00:48 < A-Tui> i think it will be the best option 00:48 < fake> if packages depend on glib optionally, but thus optional feature is required for another package... you see what i mean 00:49 < A-Tui> well glib is now the first package target 00:49 * tcr wonders why nobody has answered to the cluster thread so far 00:49 < A-Tui> but fails whit a undefined reference error 00:50 < tcr> first package target? 00:50 < tcr> You're doing a rebuild from scratch, right? 00:51 < tcr> And you're not confusing glib with glibc? 00:51 < A-Tui> i'm continuing the old build with new package select 00:51 < A-Tui> glibc it's ok 00:52 < tcr> Hmm. not sure if that can be done 00:52 < fake> .oO( would be funny to have packages complaining about undefined references to glibc ;) 00:52 < fake> a-tui: that's not really the best method... 00:53 < tcr> A-Tui, btw. what does fail with reference error, glib? 00:53 < A-Tui> ../glib/.libs/libglib-2.0.so: undefined reference to `__ctype_b' 00:54 < A-Tui> i think i will lost less time if i start a new build from scratch 00:54 < tcr> mom 00:56 < tcr> hm 00:56 < tcr> A-Tui, well yes just do it and let's see 00:57 < A-Tui> tcr Cleanup -full is running now 00:57 < fake> __ctype_b ? 00:58 < fake> ake@jana:/usr/lib$ grep __ctype_b * | wc 00:58 < fake> 336 1344 11570 00:58 < fake> hm 00:59 < fake> fake@jana:/usr/lib$ grep __ctype_b *.so | wc 00:59 < fake> 106 424 3557 00:59 < A-Tui> i ran nm and there are a lot of libs who reference it 00:59 < fake> that's 106 libraries of 267 00:59 < fake> so almost nothing would have built if it wasn't there 01:00 < tcr> Well, just look for it in google and you'll get to some interesting bug reports 01:00 < tcr> Yes __ctype_b is glibc stuff 01:01 < tcr> I wonder whether or not it'll disappear when doing a scratch build 01:04 < A-Tui> well now the new build is running 01:19 * A-Tui is away: Estoy ocupado 01:22 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB386.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:27 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 01:30 -!- spectre|ZZzz [yubpsffe@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:44 * fake bored 01:46 * mnemoc fired ;) 01:46 < mnemoc> thanks to microsoft :( 01:46 < fake> uh :(( 01:49 < mnemoc> they donate 7000 US$ to the place where i work for makeing crap with MS SharePoint with a selected company, so 'internat development' is finished :'( 01:49 < mnemoc> they also donate MS sharepoint and lot of related crap 01:52 < th> mnemoc: so you've been replaced by MS-crap? 02:10 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:39 < rxr> re 02:40 < th> hi rxr 02:40 < rxr> hi 02:40 < rxr> just a nightly visit - me on the way into the bed. .. 02:40 < th> ;-) 02:41 < rxr> th: btw. stuff like nssdb is now fixed in SVN HEAD ... 02:41 < th> rxr: yea. rev 1582 seems clear 02:41 < rxr> torrow I'll also be busy (doing some fun stuff) so I think the -rc2 tag will be done on staturday ... 02:42 < rxr> but I'll do a test installation of the current HEAD tomorrow 02:42 < th> rxr: i'll mail you the ErrList if you are itnerested 02:42 < th> 1910 builds total, 486 completed fine, 6 with errors. 02:42 < rxr> (where tomorrow is in fact already today ...) 02:42 < th> generic build 02:43 < th> nssdb is built quite late 02:43 < th> so i can't really confirm it ow 02:43 < th> s/ow/at this time/ 02:43 < th> prio 801 02:46 < th> 1910 builds total, 493 completed fine, 7 with errors. 02:46 < th> directfb just failed 02:46 < th> but this was known 02:46 < th> isdn4k might be a new failure 02:49 < rxr> nope isdn is also known to me 02:49 < rxr> anyway good night 02:49 < th> ok 02:49 < rxr> cu 02:49 < th> yea sleep tight ;) 02:57 < daja77> re 05:00 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.59.18.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:27 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M277P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:33 -!- nookie__ [~n00kie@M309P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 06:57 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:05 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E2B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:16 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:16 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50800F90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 08:17 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 08:28 < netrunner> *yawm* 08:37 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 08:37 < scythe_> hi 09:02 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 09:04 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a07.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:15 -!- Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: cytrinox 09:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cytrinox 09:16 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip137-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 < Mike1> moin. 09:17 < scythe_> hi 09:22 < Lorini> moin 09:40 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801DC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:44 < netrunner> moin Lorini :) 09:45 < Lorini> hey netrunner :) 09:45 < netrunner> visitors gone ... at last :) 09:46 < Lorini> lol 09:47 < netrunner> blindcoder: maybe that bash/lib stuff is related to the new automagical lib moving? 09:56 < daja77> moin 09:57 < Mike1> hi daja77 :) 10:00 < daja77> moin Mike1, how are you 10:00 < Mike1> very good, and happy to see you, and you ? 10:01 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:01 < daja77> <- still sick 10:01 < Mike1> sick??? whats wrong??? 10:03 < netrunner> daja77: *knuddel* 10:03 * netrunner throws daja77 high up in the air 3 times 10:04 < Mike1> yo netty 10:04 < daja77> :)) 10:04 < Lorini> lol 10:05 * netrunner bakes a cake for daja77 10:05 * Mike1 pets daja77 10:05 < Mike1> hello Andi 10:05 < Lorini> (vielleicht kann ihm bitte jemand auch sagen, wann ich geburtstag hab..?) 10:05 < Lorini> huhu mike :) 10:06 < Lorini> oh, sorry, german.. 10:06 < Mike1> :P 10:07 * netrunner invites daja77 to the wies'n for a free hendl and a Mass 10:08 < daja77> oh thx 10:08 < daja77> until what day they are open? 10:08 < Mike1> --=[ HAPPY B-DAY DANIEL JAHRE (daja77) ]=-- 10:09 < Mike1> daja77: best of my wishes and regards in this special day. 10:09 < daja77> thank you :) 10:09 < Mike1> ;-) 10:09 < netrunner> daja77: about 2300 each day. but you need to be there around noon to get a table :) 10:10 < daja77> well i thought of the date ... 10:10 < netrunner> daja77: this is the last weekend. 10:16 < netrunner> aah! lbreakout2 failed! what will I do all night! 10:17 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ("B Back") 10:22 < daja77> <- can't come today 10:25 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 11:08 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford 11:11 < Mike1> good day clifford 11:12 < clifford> hi mike. 11:25 * daja77 off to birthday party 11:25 < jsaw_> happy birthday daja77 11:25 < jsaw_> installing a fresh rev1582 (with gnome24) now, hope to be back soon 11:26 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 11:30 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:53 -!- dennis [dennis@pD9EB7183.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 11:53 -!- dennis [dennis@pD950E963.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:55 < netrunner> oh, my p4 build finished: desktop 760 builds total, 734 completed fine, 26 with errors. 12:13 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:18 < owl> moin 12:19 * Mike1 hugs owly 12:19 < Mike1> hello owl :) 12:19 < owl> moin Miguel :) 12:19 < Mike1> nice to see you. 12:19 < owl> nice to see you, too. hbow are you? 12:20 < Mike1> doing good, still a bit pissed off with my ISP.. those bastards had me down for nearly 10 hours.. 12:20 < Mike1> and how are you sed? 12:20 < owl> not reall nice from them... 12:20 < owl> hm. alive. but still not awake. thx. 12:20 < Mike1> hehe 12:21 < owl> Mike1: *kick* that's _not_ funny :p 12:21 < Mike1> do you want some coffee ? 12:22 * Mike1 is making coffee. 12:22 < owl> Mike1: nope. thx. but cappuccino or tea would be nice ;) (especially because it's fscking cold outside and raining) 12:22 < owl> Mike1: enjoy your coffee 12:22 < Mike1> thank you dear :) 12:23 < owl> Mike1: you're welcome 12:23 < owl> hm. guess i will get some breakfast now... brb 12:25 < Mike1> i shall have brakfast in an hour or 2 12:33 < th> moin 12:33 < Mike1> moin Tobias. 12:40 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD90056E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:51 < th> "breakfast" sounds like a good idea 12:57 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:11 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-065-009.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:23 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-067-214.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:24 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.vry.sgsnet.se] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:39 < owl> re,pom 13:39 < owl> remoin 13:39 < owl> i meant 13:39 < Mike1> hello owly welcome back 13:39 < owl> thx ;) 13:44 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/politik/debatte/0,1518,268149,00.html 13:54 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/politik/debatte/0,1518,267865,00.html << very interesting article about how "democracy" really works in our "beloved" country/and/or/europe... read it and puke 13:55 * scythe_ is starting to learn german - fast... 13:57 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a07.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:58 < owl> scythe_: sorry... hm. the 2nd documents describes just, that there will be no "choice" done by the european/german people, because they (as politicans say) "don't understand the meaning of the new european consitituon"... 13:58 < SMP> scythe_: German? ;) 13:59 < owl> and they fear the "normal people" aka the "folks" because this folk could disagree with this constitution... and so on... so you see - there i no real democracy, but a lot of crap done by our beloved friends the political parties... 14:00 < Mike1> scythe_: Gut! :) 14:00 * clifford is still waiting for SMPs feedback on his rocknet proposal. 14:00 < scythe_> SMP: deutsch (?) ist nicht mein favourite language - it's a bit hard to learn. 14:00 < owl> hi clifford ! 14:01 < SMP> . o O ( We are Linux of ROCK, you will speak German, Widerstand is zwecklos? ) 14:01 < owl> scythe_: full ack. after 19 years of living and grown up with german i even can't speak/write it correct ... :p 14:02 < scythe_> owl: tnx for translation, i see this now - it's the same in hungary (im a hungarian...) 14:03 < owl> scythe_: you're welcome. hm. guess it's everywhere the same... expect in the U.S. where there is a dictatorship (more or less)... 14:04 < SMP> clifford: you patience is much appreciated - I have a bit of a problem with structuring my thoughts currently. I hope to have everything in order about rocknet today 14:04 * SMP thought about it before falling asleep 14:04 < owl> .oO(going to bed and sleeping with hot thoughts about rocknet *lol*) 14:05 < scythe_> owl: many people here (in this country) thinks that the socialist/communist times were better and *more democratic*, than the "democratic" chaos today... 14:09 < owl> scythe_: sure it was, imho. and imho the average people would be equal to everyone else and so... and the cleft between poor and richih wouldn't be as large as it is, with socialismn/communismn because of the concepts and so... 14:12 < scythe_> owl: i think the best form of a state is monarchy with laws - i don't know the proper word - like Switzerland, Denmark and Austria before WW1. Of course not in a medieval form ;-) 14:14 < esden> good morning everyone 14:14 < Freak> morning 14:15 < owl> scythe_: hmmmmmmm. monarchy... i don't agree ;p anarchy, communism/socialismn, humanismn and democratcy - a mix of it would be great imho 14:15 < owl> hi esdy 14:16 < scythe_> own: maybe, but will never see - the world shall be globalized by the US - all countries will look like it (sooner or later) 14:16 < scythe_> hi esden 14:16 < scythe_> (sorry, owL) 14:17 < Mike1> god bless you esden 14:17 < owl> scythe_: hopefully this wouill never happen 14:18 < scythe_> owl: never no, it just got a slightly chance - see afghanistan, iraq... who'll be next? 14:19 < owl> hm... syria i guess 14:21 < scythe_> or maybe iran (this axis of evil stupidity from bush Jr) - N Korea had chance, but US now afraid of their nuclear power... 14:21 < owl> yeah... 14:25 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip137-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 14:27 -!- nookie__ [~n00kie@M367P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:33 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M277P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14:36 -!- dennis [dennis@pD950E963.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 14:41 -!- maisenhe [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:42 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla 14:42 < rolla> re 14:54 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td90919fa.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:01 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td90919fa.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:04 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td90919fa.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:17 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.vry.sgsnet.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:23 -!- nookie__ [~n00kie@M367P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 15:33 < fake> *sigh* 15:33 < fake> morning 15:34 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 15:35 < owl> hi fake 15:35 < scythe_> hi 15:37 -!- snake [~ragrag@a81-14-147-160.net-htp.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:37 < snake> hi@all 15:38 < scythe_> hi 15:39 < snake> running ./scripts/Create-ISO rock-linux -mkdebug bootdisk minimal doesn't work.but it's described like this in the doc 15:39 < owl> hi scythe_ 15:40 < owl> aeh. snake 15:40 < owl> sorry 15:40 < snake> what's wrong about running the command like this? 15:40 * scythe_ feels warm - needs an underwear change 15:45 -!- snake [~ragrag@a81-14-147-160.net-htp.de] has quit ("chown linux:users /world ; mv /windows /dev/null") 15:56 < rolla> re fake 15:57 < rolla> you still fighting apache SSL? 15:57 < fake> nope, i got it 15:58 < fake> i wasn't aware that i can'y use name-based virtual hosts for ssl 15:58 < fake> than i started to think... ;) 15:58 < fake> chicken-and-egg problem 15:59 < tfing> fake: you can use a wildcard-certificate 16:01 < rolla> :) 16:06 < fake> that's not the problem... 16:06 * fake has to go 16:06 < fake> cu later 16:08 < rolla> bye 16:09 < th> fake: you can use a non-ssl http virtual host as multiplexer for your https hosts and forward to apropriate ssl ports 16:10 < rolla> yeah but that sucks 16:11 < rolla> does anyone here know iptables real well? 16:13 -!- dreamind [dreamind@IP-213157009173.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:15 < th> rolla: it's quite generic implementable 16:16 < rolla> true but I guess I am not a fan of it 16:16 < rolla> I like giving seperate ips to seperate SSL servers 16:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 16:23 < scythe_> anybody has seen a Build-Target and all of its subprocesses going sleep at building glibc before (looks like ls and tr \n are doing this)? 16:23 < th> rolla: and you want to give them private IPs and use iptables to redirect? 16:23 * th guesses. 16:26 * scythe_ is waiting for a tiny little help... 16:27 < rolla> th: i am trying to do MASQERADE'ing with iptables 16:27 < th> rolla: whats your problem? 16:27 < rolla> what I have that works on one iptables does not work on another 16:28 < th> you mean on another host? 16:28 < th> or in another table? 16:28 < rolla> another host 16:28 < rolla> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE 16:28 < rolla> that is the line I use 16:34 < SMP> scythe_: on which architecture? ;) 16:34 < scythe_> SMP: guess 16:34 < scythe_> SMP: come on in and take a look 16:36 < scythe_> SMP: cat /lvm/rock/a - it's a complete ps auxfS 16:38 * -> esden is too stupid to find the libegg packet or a packet containing it ... 16:39 < th> and your sure your output iface is ok? 16:39 < th> rolla: and your sure your output iface is ok? 16:39 < rolla> yes 16:39 * th had two power outages just some seconds ago 16:40 < th> rolla: do you have a dynamic ip to which you masquerade? 16:40 < rolla> no 16:40 < rolla> static 16:40 < th> so you should not use masquerade 16:40 < rolla> iptables: Invalid argument 16:41 < th> you should yous -j SNAT 16:41 < rolla> th I have 5 static on public internet 16:41 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD90056E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("$default_part_message") 16:41 < scythe_> SMP: i think the problem is in build-pkg at somewhere line 450 16:41 < th> s/yous/use/ 16:41 < rolla> and non-routable network 16:41 < th> rolla: ok. masquerade is for dynamic IP address only 16:42 < th> rolla: use -j SNAT in POSTROUTING 16:42 < th> -j SNAT --to extern_ip_to_masq_to 16:43 < rolla> ? 16:43 < rolla> I am thinking you are not understanding what I am trying to do 16:44 < rolla> iptables: Invalid argument 16:45 < rolla> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 66.136.183.237 16:46 < SMP> scythe_: 450, yes. 16:47 < SMP> scythe_: very weird 16:47 < scythe_> SMP: i've already recompiled tr, tar's problem was solved with that 16:47 < scythe_> SMP: maybe a custom debian patch was the problem... 16:49 < rolla> any idea th? 16:49 < SMP> hmm, the tr seems to be not even necessary at all 16:49 < scythe_> i didn't figured it out what this line does properly... - im not a big shellscript programmer... 16:50 < SMP> uses ls in a subshell do expand the possible patch files and store them in a variable 16:51 < scythe_> and what can be the problem for sleeping? 16:52 < scythe_> (i can recompile ls, but i dont think it'll solve the issue...) 16:52 < SMP> the tr is def. not needed - but I doubt it's the problem 16:53 < SMP> I'd blame bash for messing up subshell handling 16:54 < SMP> but it works fine when run interactively 16:56 < scythe_> the same was with tar - worked by hand, didn't work with script. 16:59 -!- trekkie3k [~k3t@pD90056E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:00 < rolla> this makes my head hurt 17:01 -!- Lorini_ [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:11 < th> rolla: perhaps you need to load some kernel modules... have nat disabled or something. compare kernels 17:14 -!- Lorini [~Lorini@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:17 < owl> hi th 17:17 < owl> aeh. trekkie3k 17:17 < trekkie3k> hi owl, *erm* hi everyone :) 17:25 < esden> argh ... ld segfaulting ... >_< 17:27 < scythe_> SMP: ls recompiled, problem not solved - it did worth a try 17:29 < scythe_> SMP: ideas? 17:30 < SMP> scythe_: please cat /proc/24405/environ > /tmp/24405 17:30 < scythe_> SMP: better idea, i give u sudo 17:31 < scythe_> SMP: (don't do anything baaad ;-) 17:35 < rolla> suck 17:37 -!- jsaw [~George@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:37 < jsaw> re 17:38 < scythe_> hi 17:40 < jsaw> hi scythe_ 17:41 < scythe_> SMP: what if i just comment the line out for the minimal build, and will do the complete build on an installed rock? 17:42 < SMP> scythe_: try cleaning your env when running Build-Pkg: env - PATH="$PATH" ./scripts/... 17:43 < scythe_> wont Build-Pkg create a subshell - and redeclare all of it's env? 17:44 < SMP> jo .. 17:45 < scythe_> tried it anyway - nothing to lose - results the same 18:01 < SMP> $ ssh apollo 18:01 < SMP> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host 18:02 < SMP> hmm :-O 18:02 -!- scythe_2 [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 18:02 < SMP> ahh 18:02 < scythe_2> sorry, had some problems 18:02 < SMP> $ ssh apollo 18:02 < SMP> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host 18:02 < scythe_2> some system save started 18:03 < scythe_2> on os390s 18:03 < SMP> anyay, be back later. cu scythe_ 18:03 < scythe_2> cpu time for apollo went down - reallllly down 18:03 < scythe_2> ok, cu 18:04 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:04 -!- scythe_2 [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has quit (Client Quit) 18:05 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 18:15 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ("enough computers for today - fridays are for drinking ;-)") 18:15 * rolla does a little dance 18:19 -!- jsaw [~George@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:32 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:32 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-157.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:33 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:34 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 18:37 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:41 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080248D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:55 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:18 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 20:02 -!- iBook [~martin@pD9E7AF19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:14 -!- _spectre_ [epzmyiyl@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:18 < rolla> re 20:21 < _spectre_> re auch 20:21 < rolla> was gibt's _spectre_ 20:24 < _spectre_> nich viel, bin hundemüde 20:25 < rolla> warum? 20:27 < _spectre_> kA 20:27 < _spectre_> bin erst um 15h aufgestanden 20:27 < _spectre_> aber völlig platt 21:08 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td90919fa.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:21 < esden> re hi all 21:22 * -> esden watched the "legue of extraordinary gentelmen" very nice film really advisable 21:23 -!- iBook [~martin@pD9E7AF19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("bye bye") 23:00 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 23:13 < daja77> re 23:18 < esden> huhu daja77 23:19 < daja77> huhu esden, how are you? 23:19 < esden> I am still alive thanks ;) 23:19 < esden> and how are you? 23:20 < daja77> still alive, still sick, back from birthday party, pretty tired 23:20 < esden> had fun? 23:20 < daja77> yes ... 23:21 < esden> nice :) 23:22 < daja77> but for you i been old already :)) 23:22 < esden> o_O 23:23 < esden> was that your birthday party? 23:23 < daja77> yep 23:23 < esden> ohh then congrats ... 23:23 < esden> sorry I did not know ... 23:23 < daja77> well don't worry :)) 23:26 * daja77 goin to bed, cu 23:42 < cytrinox> gn8 23:48 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E20F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux --- Log closed Sat Oct 04 00:00:09 2003