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--- Log opened Wed Oct 22 00:00:00 2003 00:30 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M356P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:32 < _spectre_> spectre:~$ fortune 00:32 < _spectre_> LSD melts in your mind, not in your hand. 00:33 < _spectre_> gn8 00:33 < daja77> hehe 00:33 < daja77> n8 _spectre_ 00:37 -!- Pyro is now known as Mike1 00:38 < Mike1> re 00:43 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M328P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:48 < daja77> hi Mike1 00:48 < Mike1> hello Daniel. 00:48 < Mike1> :) 00:49 < daja77> :) 00:52 < daja77> *gnaaa* found bug in my application 00:52 < daja77> stupid me 00:56 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9502DCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("$default_quit_message") 00:58 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50893058.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:59 * Mike1 shoots daja77 with his water pistol 00:59 < Mike1> ripclaw: !!! 00:59 < ripclaw> hi mike! 00:59 < ripclaw> helo wrld 00:59 < Mike1> its a real honor to see you here Stefan. 01:00 < ripclaw> thnx - btw u r on open channel. 01:00 < Mike1> ? 01:01 < daja77> hi ripclaw 01:02 < ripclaw> hi daja77 01:05 * daja77 tagging stuff and sending mail ^^ 01:08 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E273.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:09 < daja77> Mike1: btw what happened to woden 01:09 < Mike1> daja77: oits stuck again because i hardly have ttime to sleep. 01:11 < daja77> ic 01:15 < daja77> poor empty neighbour chan :) 01:20 * daja77 goes to bed 01:20 < daja77> cu 01:25 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:34 -!- Rex [~Rex@pcp03379701pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:34 < Rex> hi all 01:35 < Rex> so.. rock linux is a very solid and .. well.. rock hard linux distro that is good for starting off of for home-brewed linux, right? 01:41 < ripclaw> yo. looks like build-kit to me :-) 01:42 < Rex> rock linux rocks 01:42 < Mike1> Rex: new to rock linux? 01:43 < ripclaw> mike - didnt see him around here... 01:43 < Rex> yes I am 01:43 < Rex> actually 01:43 < Rex> I dont even have it installed yet 01:43 < Mike1> Rex: ah well welcome.. ripcalw and I are more or less new too :) 01:44 < Rex> I'm still running redhat, jsut diong some 'ahead of time' things 01:44 < ripclaw> mike... ive been new to rock since `99 - everytime rene and cliff change stuff, i get puzzled 01:44 < Mike1> good to hear :).. you know even if you run redhat if you want to test rock there is uml or vmware :) 01:44 < ripclaw> rex - its solid as rock, you can form it like concrete and plaster. 01:44 < Rex> like.. does rock come with GNOME? or at least icewm? It takes too long for me to get gui's goin 01:45 < ripclaw> rex - your choice of yes. 01:45 < Mike1> Rex: it has gnome, kde, icewm, etc.. 01:45 < ripclaw> or you can later add it if you need extreme stuff. its so darn easy. 01:45 < ripclaw> mike - gnustep is the only thing i noticed missing yet. 01:45 < Rex> ok.. so they didnt make it rock solid by simply takign everyhting out 01:45 < Rex> they actually played with the kde source to make it .. more solid? 01:45 < Mike1> ripclaw: i have been away from rock for what 3 months and now that i sort off back i see everthing different .. 01:46 < Mike1> ripclaw: mmm.. wierd it used to be back on 1.6 or previous versions if i am not wrong. 01:46 < ripclaw> mike i already got some kind of used to that in 1.3.11 series, 1.5 and 1.7 are no different in changing. o wait its called 2.0 now. 01:46 < Rex> I mean.. what makes the rock linux distro so certain to be more solid than the debian guys? 01:47 < ripclaw> no rex - usually people dont add unnecessary patches to de-stabilize. 01:47 < Mike1> ripclaw: feel free to answer :) 01:47 < ripclaw> debian has a few thousand maintainers. it is huge. try doing a 3 person port to some other hardware in 3 days with debian and rock. 01:48 < Mike1> hehe 01:48 < ripclaw> me, cliff and paletta ported it to ppc mac in 3 days in 99, me without knowing the system. it got easier recently. 01:48 < Rex> ok.. so one method of solidifying a distro is making sure to take the most solid packages? and testing? 01:48 < ripclaw> i ported it to sparc with rene and armijn. 01:48 < Rex> I ported this java program from linux to windows in like.. no time.. get it? 01:49 < Rex> haha.. thanx to the vm 01:49 < Rex> (technically.. I didnt do crap) 01:49 < Mike1> Rex: you do understand what ripclaw is saying right? 01:49 < ripclaw> debian has a huge amount of tools no one really needs, they still package with gzip not bzip. 01:50 < Rex> I get that 01:50 < ripclaw> rex - the point with rocklinux is that i use the core scripts to set up cross compile environments, figure out the bad parts of linux, glibc and the gcc, compile on intel for e.g. sparc and get a working cd image 01:50 < Rex> and rock is like.. just what a person needs 01:50 < ripclaw> like e.g. make world in openbsd. 01:50 < ripclaw> it works on nearly as much platforms as debian, same patch times, but we have 20 maintainers, not 2500. 01:50 < Mike1> and you can cotumize _anything_ quite easily 01:51 < Rex> how big is a minimal rock install? is it very fit for those single board computers? 01:51 < ripclaw> like mike said, you can e.g. swap out glibc for dietlibs. 01:51 < ripclaw> minimal rock can fit 1,4 mb. depends on which target you build. 01:51 < Mike1> Rex: we use targets and package selection templetes..so you yes you can get to build something very minimal 01:51 < Rex> this is fun.. you guys like.. know your distro.. goodness 01:52 < ripclaw> if you mean a minimal server or desktop target - its in the hundreds mb range, minimal target is very low profile. 01:52 < Mike1> or you can run rock router on a rom it would use just mm.. 5mb 01:52 < ripclaw> ahem. i`ve been user number 3 :-) 01:52 < Rex> oooh so It appears that you guys love to play with rock because you can make dedicated operating systems for dedicated reasons 01:53 < Mike1> ripclaw: well if you build minimal with dietlibc it should be quite saml.. 01:53 < ripclaw> there is e.g. the cdrom install target, its basically a 5mb system with a small ramdisk loaded after boot from cd to install the system. 01:53 < ripclaw> exactly. 01:53 < Mike1> haven't tried personally but i guess it should work fine 01:53 < Rex> I mean.. debian dudes would lauph at the idea of making a debian router- sayin it is too bulky for such a simple task 01:54 < Mike1> Rex: not if you try to create a Cisco IOS like shell for the router.. :) 01:54 < ripclaw> i can create a mailserver target if i like that is just a minimal set with a basic postfix and install it on a few hundred boxes. i can build custom sets for e.g. deutsche bank to install only that and that software. 01:54 < Rex> yah I donno that end of the cable 01:54 < Rex> I just know the bash shell 01:54 < Mike1> Rex: know bash you will be able to understand most of the rock linux code. 01:55 < ripclaw> knowing bash is GOOD 01:55 < Rex> what do you mean? rock is made of C though, isnt it? 01:55 < Rex> or you mean its configuration? 01:55 < ripclaw> just pick up the source tarball and start reading ./Documentation 01:55 < Mike1> this reminds me of an UnOfficial new - /me is comming back to rock. 01:56 < ripclaw> rock is basically shell scripts 90%, 5%awk, 3%other 2% C 01:56 < Mike1> nah go ahead for the svn tree :) 01:56 < Rex> well.. see.. I can explain my project, then I knwo you guys would say "Rock is for you" cause you guys are like.. rock dudes, but I DO plan to use single board computers 01:56 < ripclaw> the C stuff is mostly the autodetection for hardware, the package manager core and some other parts. 01:56 < Rex> ok so the C stuff is the kernel stuff- it sounds 01:57 < Rex> wow.. shells can make the majority of an os?? 01:57 < ripclaw> rex - there are other options like minoru embedded linux or openbsd - but i`ld prefer using rock for ease of configuring. 01:57 < Rex> and you guys have a coole irc 01:57 < Mike1> Rex: actually i am involved into several othe rprojects than rock linux, and i ensure you rock is a great option for what you want to do 01:57 < ripclaw> rex - its the build tools. shell code does unpack and configure packages for you - shell code does build and package it. 01:58 < ripclaw> you just tell rock config what you want and press GO. 01:59 < Mike1> Rex: what can we say, rock is just as cool as it sounds .. seirously its a lot fo fun 01:59 < Rex> I'm making an unmanned vehicle. I wanted it to only have a deamon to listen for simple directional commands through 802.11b, blah blah 01:59 < ripclaw> if what you get is not exactly what you want, you may have to change a few lines here or there. the format for most of this is easy, and you can look at other packages for hints 02:00 < Rex> you guys always use the new kernel? 02:00 < ripclaw> unmanned vehicle ? running an OS on it is overkill, but then you may not want to write low-level guidance software like the folks at www.terma.com 02:00 < Rex> like.. the one Linus is workin on now? 02:00 < ripclaw> kernel is selectable, libc is selectable etc. 02:00 < Mike1> Rex: the default kernel atm is 2.422, but yes you can tell it to use latest kernel :) 02:01 < ripclaw> just tell rocklinux i want 2.4/2.6 kernel with diet/glibc and blah and GO 02:01 < ripclaw> mike you got new stuff on #mike 02:01 < Mike1> Rex: do you need somethign more flexible? 02:01 < ripclaw> linux from scratch ? 02:01 < Rex> agh 02:01 < Rex> I'm not inventing the os again 02:02 < Rex> any os would even be capable of this 02:02 < ripclaw> ok. if you dont want to compile on the embedded system (gentoo) on each install, then compiling once and running (rock) is your choice. 02:02 < Rex> its just that.. not capable on a 32 MB smartbedia card for an HD 02:02 < Mike1> Rex: ever seem elks ? 02:03 < Rex> seen elks? no 02:03 < Mike1> elks.sf.net 02:03 < ripclaw> mike - elks is for non-mmu microcomputer cpu - if he has at least 386 its better running a customized linux kernel 02:03 < ripclaw> elks - embeddable linux kernel subsystem 02:03 < Rex> but.. my concerns are the size, and whether it's known for direct interfaces with hardware 02:04 < Mike1> ripclaw: yeah sure i know.. 02:04 < Mike1> Rex: what you need is to get diellibc building minimal 02:04 < Rex> and I'm also having a fight in my head between java and old c++ 02:04 < Mike1> that will do the trick for you 02:04 < ripclaw> rex i suggest you just download the tarball, select building minimal dietlibc and look at the size. 02:05 < Mike1> ripclaw: hehehe great minds think alike. 02:05 < Rex> so dietlibc is not G? 02:05 < ripclaw> if it doesnt fit, ask on the list if documentation isnt sufficient to downsize a minimal target 02:05 < Rex> oh.. what if I wanted this weird mix: 02:05 < ripclaw> you said ou lack space, so go C or C++ (if necessary). dietlibc is not G ? 02:05 < Mike1> Rex: mailing list and irc are both really good places to ask for help if you need 02:06 < Rex> almost ntohing but bash, and RPM 02:06 < ripclaw> weird mix ? 02:06 < ripclaw> RPM is hard, you need to install the RPM system which eats up 5mb 02:07 < ripclaw> mine package manager is smaller, you can also use the old script package manager, which is even smaller still 02:07 < Rex> what else... 02:07 < Rex> ah- the deamons 02:07 < ripclaw> which ones ? 02:08 < Rex> does it use the new system of daemons... I forget the terms now... initr.d blah blah 02:08 < Rex> those things have always been annoying to me 02:08 < ripclaw> rex - selectable :-P 02:08 < Rex> well.. is there any daemon autp-config or something? 02:09 < Rex> I want to be asked questions.. you know? like "what is the binary to run? what runlevel?" 02:09 < ripclaw> what is it supposed to do - never heard of it. 02:10 < Rex> this is mainly because I'm going to be flicking this single board comptuer on and off like its a christmas light, and I need to quickly get new things running at different time, you know? 02:10 < Rex> well.. I'm saying- isnt there anythign that makes the setup of daemons fast 02:11 < ripclaw> you can run runlvedit or edit a textfile and simply write in ther ewhich runlv it should run at 02:11 < Rex> what daemon system is simplest to you? 02:11 < ripclaw> thats all that will then config the initrd stuff. 02:11 < Rex> like.. I heard there are 2 types 02:12 < ripclaw> i prefer initrd aka system5 style. old bsd style gets chaotic on larger setups 02:12 < ripclaw> all in one script is a bad idea. 02:12 < Rex> what do youthink of the idea of having it XML-style? 02:12 < Rex> lol.. I like xml 02:12 < ripclaw> initrd and runlvedit - way to go on anything running more than 1 or 2 daemons 02:13 < Rex> good good.. 02:13 < ripclaw> xml needs parsing libraries etc. eats size - too large for what you want in 32 mb 02:13 < Rex> yah.. in my case thats right 02:13 < ripclaw> awk/sed scripting can be done with busybox - 2mb done. 02:14 < ripclaw> busybox also has a initrd implementation, telnet, etc. it kills almost all problems 02:14 < Rex> another distro? 02:14 < Mike1> ripclaw: there is also uclib.. 02:15 < ripclaw> busybox is a binary that can do the job of like 50 others - its a replacement for core system in one piece. www.freshmeat.net/busybox/ - its used for bootdisks etc. 02:16 < ripclaw> oh, yes - ulibc and dietlibc reduce binary size :-) 02:16 < Rex> which is smaller 02:16 < Mike1> so yes it is possible to get a very nice system consuming very little space. 02:16 < Rex> and what is lost in those? 02:17 < ripclaw> C blurb is lost. the C code is small, compact and does not offer unnecessary sh... like e.g. libc internal nfs routines or rpc routines - what do you think bloats glibc... 02:18 < Rex> cool cool 02:18 < Rex> so what do you think about java? 02:18 < Rex> I like the language; it's so nice to make software for everyone at once, you know 02:19 < ripclaw> java is fine for everything that needs user interaction, everything on system level should be C, everythink below may be optionally ASM if its CPU specific. 02:20 < ripclaw> Java is cool from portability, but you have to watch out for performance issues a lot to get it fast 02:21 < Rex> yah- see I kinda want the bare minimum of an OS that will have the java runtime and some java program as a daemon 02:22 < Rex> and , yes, C or C++ would've done it too, but I also like the portibility- so others can play with my open-source java 02:23 < Rex> or.. my free source code (as open source should have a community hepling create the stuff) 02:23 < ripclaw> look at the size of a JRE and libs and consider it again if you want to run it on embedded hardware. or upgrade the hardware. 02:23 < ripclaw> C code is very portable if written well, as is C++ 02:24 < Rex> well I'm guessing I'll have alike a 11 MB OS 02:24 < Rex> haha.. I never though about considering the J2me 02:25 < Rex> but it would be the same JRE- as its a i486 architecture board 02:26 < ripclaw> 486 running java with how much ram ? i hope 64mb or more ? you want timely reaction by the controller for the vehicle, java is going to be slow on 486. 02:26 < ripclaw> look at the boards at www.soekris.com 02:30 < Rex> or.. I guessed that architecture actaully.. whatever it is, its 350 mhz 02:31 < Rex> I mgiht get one of these .. soekris..hmm 02:31 < ripclaw> pentium class, that should suffice. get 64mb ram minimum. the soekris stuff is nice, and cheap. 02:31 < ripclaw> its only guaranteed to run openbsd though, but linux usually also runs without modifications 02:32 < Rex> yah it should 02:32 < Rex> wait.. is there a jvm for bsd? 02:32 < ripclaw> ???? dunno ???? 02:33 < Rex> aaah.. I dont care.. rock linux is the candidate so far though 02:33 < Rex> and I wanted to do things in java because I want people to be able to use it- no matter what os is on their unamnned vehicles 02:34 < ripclaw> thnx - just start playing with it and come back asking questions here or mailinglist anytime. 02:34 < Rex> sadly, I spelled that wrong 02:34 < Rex> yah. I'ma go now- this room is on my favs though, cause of the fast responses 02:34 < ripclaw> if its C code and well written, it usually works everywhere too. but C is faster. 02:34 < Rex> yah.. thats a good fight too 02:34 < ripclaw> depends on time and people online 02:35 < ripclaw> have a nice evening rex 02:35 < ripclaw> its long past midnite over here. 02:35 < Rex> I tried something in C, had trouble with the BSD sockets, but it could continue with some books 02:35 < Mike1> ripclaw: #ripclaw.. 02:35 < Rex> oh, its 8:34 02:35 < Rex> in my case 02:36 -!- Rex [~Rex@pcp03379701pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:36 < ripclaw> ack. mike - its 2:34 morning over here. 03:40 < mnemoc> 21:34 here 03:40 < mnemoc> 22 i mean 03:40 < mnemoc> in that moment WAS 21:34 ;) 03:58 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50893058.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:04 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.14.236.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:24 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.133.216.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:15 -!- scoopex [~marc@td90919ac.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:27 -!- avbjr85 [Alan@0-2pool74-196.nas8.clearwater1.fl.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:28 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2iveloj.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 08:20 -!- scoopex [~marc@td90919ac.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:30 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M330P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:32 -!- avbjr85 [Alan@0-2pool74-196.nas8.clearwater1.fl.us.da.qwest.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:44 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M356P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:02 * rajiv is away: gone 10:16 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2iveloj.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:22 < cannibal> moin 10:32 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiver4e.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:56 < cannibal> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,270765,00.html << ouch 10:59 < cannibal> a php-jukie here? 11:05 < cchamilt> cannibal bird:? 11:06 < cannibal> hoeh? 11:06 < cannibal> <- owl 11:06 < cchamilt> I can do php, btw you should make your links in english :P 11:06 < cannibal> hrm. 11:07 < cannibal> but please help me... when we will do write the test 11:07 < cchamilt> OK, what is it you need. 11:08 < blindcoder> moin moin *yawn* 11:09 < cchamilt> hi blindcoder 11:09 < blindcoder> moin cchamilt 11:12 < blindcoder> awl: can you give me a report of systems? 11:12 < blindcoder> owl, I meant... 11:12 < blindcoder> hrm... 11:12 < blindcoder> brb, breakfast 11:17 < daja77> moin 11:17 < cchamilt> morning 11:18 < daja77> hi cchamilt 11:21 < cchamilt> Hm, I am procrastinating. 11:35 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p5080181A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:35 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50800F2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 11:35 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:35 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uiver4e.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:51 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E273.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:52 < blindcoder> GNARF 11:52 < blindcoder> what the fuck? 11:52 < blindcoder> 1-gettext hangs with "Checking for Java Compiler ..." 12:03 < cannibal> fscking school! and this fscking bitch wants to write an test, now, too!!! 3 hours, 3 exen 12:09 -!- _spectre_ [xkuqfunu@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 12:09 < blindcoder> that's why I hate ROCK 12:10 < blindcoder> ah, there it is... 12:19 < blindcoder> hrm 12:19 < blindcoder> looks like bash isn't compilable with dietlibc anymore 12:20 < blindcoder> oh well, sems like I have to not make a stage-9 build then 12:20 -!- spectre [koxrdlm@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:26 < cannibal> O_o 12:27 < blindcoder> what? 12:31 < blindcoder> hrm... I could open a site about the Linux Video Project... 12:36 < cannibal> blindcoder: because you hate rock.... 12:40 < blindcoder> cannibal: only when I don't find what I'm looking for and have to grep the whole source tree for it 12:43 < cannibal> blindcoder: ahso 12:43 < cannibal> <- hungry.someone wants to give me some food 12:43 < cannibal> ? 12:44 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080221E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:45 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:56 < blindcoder> lunch 13:05 -!- Esel [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-160-095.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:08 < cannibal> hi a 13:08 < cannibal> aeh. Esel 13:08 < Esel> Hi, Owl! 13:09 < blindcoder> hi 13:09 < Esel> Hey blindy 13:09 * Esel wonders why Gimp was updated to 1.3.20 in CVS while 1.3.21 is out and quite stable 13:09 < Esel> s/CVS/SVN/ 13:23 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:25 < cannibal> god, those lessons are so sense-less *cry* 13:27 < Esel> cannibal, what you're doing there? 13:28 < cannibal> Esel: aeh. sitting in the berufschule.... 13:29 < cannibal> and trying not to fall asleep... (the big joke: nobody remarks, that i'm typing... my new keyboard "rollbar" doesn'tmake noise) 13:29 < blindcoder> ARGH 13:29 < cannibal> blindcoder: ??? 13:29 < blindcoder> don't people test their software befor they release it? 13:29 < blindcoder> I'm just trying to compile seahorse V0.7.1 13:29 < blindcoder> and guess what? 13:29 < blindcoder> # 13:30 < blindcoder> they define __seahorse-marshal_MARSHAL_H__ in a .h file 13:30 < blindcoder> but they use __seahorse_marshal_MARSHAL_H__ afterwards! 13:30 < blindcoder> not to mention that gcc doesn't accept the former anyway...\ 13:31 < Esel> It's not even released, it's still version zero. ;) 13:31 < Esel> They rely on kind people like you reporting typos. 13:32 < cannibal> hihi 13:32 < cannibal> but wtf is seahorse? 13:32 < blindcoder> It's downloadable and has a tagged version number 13:32 < blindcoder> so it's released. 13:32 < blindcoder> cannibal: it's a GPG-Key-Management Tool 13:33 < cannibal> k. 13:33 < blindcoder> and far better than gpa! 13:33 < blindcoder> bad thing is, it relies on an older version of gpgme 13:34 < cannibal> .oO(DAU-Alarm in here... *watching to the tafel*) 13:36 < Esel> cannibal, you learning how to use M$ Office at school? 13:36 < cannibal> Esel: nah. how to use access, was last year 13:37 < cannibal> today "ip-spoofing explained in less than 3 minutes" 13:37 < Esel> Heh, teach me ip-spoofing, Owl. 13:37 < cannibal> Esel: *kick* 13:38 < cannibal> <- !(google.com) 13:38 < Esel> Yeh, there isn't a kick function in google.com yet. 13:40 < cannibal> hehe. sure 13:41 < cannibal> ouch. "strichmaennchen... 14:05 -!- Esel [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-160-095.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("There is no spoon.") 14:11 < cannibal> omfg! somebody sings christmas-songs!!! WAAAAA!!! 14:14 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 < fake> tach 14:15 < cannibal> hi fake *waves* 14:15 < cchamilt> we wish you a merry christmas 14:16 < blindcoder> hi fake 14:16 < cchamilt> hi fake 14:16 < cannibal> cchamilt: *kick* thx. it's enough to hear/see people singing christmas songs... i don't know what they think... might their internal clock is ticking wrong. 14:16 < cchamilt> it happens. 14:17 < cchamilt> now you have me fighting it. 14:17 < cannibal> *har* 14:18 < cchamilt> Halloween is much better. 14:19 < cchamilt> Nothing like having a big bonfire. 14:19 < cchamilt> Starring at the stars. 14:19 < cannibal> hmmm.. nah. the money you get is better than everyting... 14:19 < cchamilt> Scaring little shits. 14:20 < cchamilt> Money? 14:21 < cchamilt> You get a wad of money from your parents at Christmas? 14:21 < cytrinox`> moin 14:21 < cannibal> yeah. normally i get money from my parens and so 14:21 < cannibal> hi cytrinox` 14:21 < cchamilt> I see. Kind of like Chinese parents then :) 14:22 < cchamilt> My parents were cooler, I had a sister and parents that believed in presents and parity. 14:22 < cchamilt> If one whined and got something, the other got equivalent value. 14:23 < cannibal> hmmm. they ask me what i want.. and i want money... 14:23 < cchamilt> Budgets were always over shot. 14:23 < cchamilt> Oh well, now I am dependent on Jocelyn, not the parents :). 14:24 < cannibal> hehe ;) i c. 14:25 < cchamilt> Money is good, it just isnt flexible. ie. Getting money for shopping from parents or going shopping with your parents. 14:26 < cannibal> hmm depends also on, if youlike your parents etc 14:26 < cchamilt> Unknown qualities of enough and levels of control over the situation, etc. 14:26 < cchamilt> If you like money, you should like your parents. 14:27 < cannibal> nah. if you are hated by them, you dont have to like them 14:28 < cchamilt> There is alway that situation I guess. 14:28 < cannibal> yeah 14:29 < cchamilt> Sorry to hear that. 14:29 < cannibal> np. 14:40 < rolla> re 14:40 < cannibal> wb rolla 14:45 * fake gotta go, cya 14:45 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has quit ("[BX] For a good time, call 1-900-4BitchX") 14:46 < cchamilt> I have sysklogd-sql replacing sysklogd, now to make a config.in thing for it. 15:01 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-080-104.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:01 < blindcoder> WEE 15:02 < blindcoder> finally my site about the LVP is done :) 15:04 -!- spectre [koxrdlm@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 15:04 -!- _spectre_ [hjhzmb@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 < blindcoder> if someone want to have a look at it (Navigation to the left below "LVP"): https://www.crash-override.net/lvp/news.php 15:05 < blindcoder> I'll be back in an hour-something 15:05 < blindcoder> baba 15:05 -!- dev0 [tobias@pD9E58D7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 < dev0> huhu... 15:05 < cannibal> hi dev0 15:07 < dev0> I'm quite confused about the different rock linux ISOs/build targets 15:07 < dev0> if I just want to get started... 15:07 < dev0> what should I get? 15:08 < cannibal> the latest 2.0-iso 15:09 < daja77> there are different latest isos ... 15:09 < dev0> What's the difference between the drock and the generic ISOs 15:09 < cannibal> drock 15:09 < dev0> mmkay 15:09 < cannibal> i would use at leat 15:09 < cannibal> st 15:10 < daja77> generic has more packages 15:10 < dev0> What is the difference? 15:10 < daja77> a slightly different kernel, and some different user space settings, other prompt and stuff 15:10 < dev0> thanks 15:10 < dev0> that's the kind of info I needed. 15:11 < daja77> np 15:11 < dev0> What is generic made for? 15:11 < dev0> more server centric? 15:11 < daja77> for rc1 it is maybe better to use desktop isos, cos i had not that much time to test rc1 generic 15:12 < daja77> generic is the all inclusive version of rock, as much packages as possible 15:13 < dev0> Is drocklinux.dyndns.org running on your machine? 15:13 < dev0> passive FTP ist tod 15:14 < daja77> no but you could use the mirror 15:15 < dev0> I am right now 15:16 < daja77> ok 15:17 -!- starlord [~starlord@fj92.netikka.fi] has joined #rocklinux 15:18 < dev0> Is drock optimized for i686? 15:18 < daja77> pentium-mmx 15:20 < dev0> should have guessed. 15:23 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-082-109.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:24 < daja77> hi kasc 15:25 < cannibal> hi kasc ! *kick* 15:25 < daja77> hello kick? 15:25 -!- _spectre_ [hjhzmb@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:26 < cannibal> sure. he wasn't there since $dunno 15:26 < daja77> ic 15:28 -!- _spectre_ [wdlwyfyc@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:28 -!- _spectre_ [wdlwyfyc@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Client Quit) 15:30 < cannibal> O_o 15:32 * cannibal counts the seconds till this boring school-day ends 15:32 < dev0> <- holidays :) 15:32 < cannibal> dev0: *kick* 15:33 < daja77> dev0: have fun 15:46 < cchamilt> damn, tripwire is just spinning when it generates keys. 20 minutes at 99% CPU. 15:55 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 16:11 -!- _spectre_ [cpurue@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:19 < starlord> anyone alive? 16:27 -!- nookie_ [~n00kie@M330P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:30 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M505P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:34 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 16:40 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2iveokn.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 16:56 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD95028B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:03 < netrunne1> blindcoder: what's so funny? 17:03 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 17:11 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:12 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 17:50 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091bb1.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:10 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 18:11 < rolla> does that link help? 18:28 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 18:29 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:33 < cannibal> remoin 18:35 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:35 < cannibal> hi jsaw 18:35 < jsaw> re 18:36 < jsaw> hi cannibal 18:45 < cannibal> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,270796,00.html << something to laugh about 19:08 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2iveokn.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:27 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 19:37 -!- ragrag_ [~ragrag@D57d1.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:39 < ragrag_> i built a bootable rocklinux iso woth *.tar.bz2 binary packages,but now stone complains that it can't find 00-dirtree-0000.gem what to do? 19:41 < jsaw> ragrag_: I think you have to unpack manually... 19:42 < ragrag_> no way to do this with the *.tar.bz2 file? 19:42 < jsaw> ragrag_: lemma see, I'll have a look into the source... 19:51 < jsaw> ragrag_: I don't see any. The only thing would be to repackage the tar.bz2's into gem's with "tarbz2gem". But maybe you ask a bit later when more developers are back :) 19:52 < ragrag_> is there really a tool tarbz2gem?i'd try this 19:52 < ragrag_> my problem is i'm totally unexperienced handling rocklinux, i've used slackware so far but want to try something new... 19:54 < jsaw> What did you build exactly? 19:54 < jsaw> Only the bootdisk? 19:55 < ragrag_> bootdisk and the minimal system... 19:55 < ragrag_> and that's where stone complains about the dirtree package 19:56 < ragrag_> so where can i find tarbz2gem? 19:56 < jsaw> So, I'd say, change tar.bz2 -> gem for the minimal. Now it may get complicated if you do not want to rebuild... 19:57 < jsaw> tarbz2gem is inside the chroot environment of the minimal target build... 19:57 < jsaw> So let's see if this works (if it doesn't you should simply rebuild the minimal package): 19:58 < ragrag_> k,thx i'll try... 19:58 < ragrag_> bye 19:58 < jsaw> wait 19:58 < jsaw> wait 19:58 < ragrag_> ? 19:58 < jsaw> mount the pkgs path into the chroot environment (where your tar.bz2 files of minimal target are) 19:58 < jsaw> (something like build/*/pkgs) 19:59 < ragrag_> ja.I'm gonna try this 19:59 < jsaw> mount --bind build/*/pkgs build/*/root/mnt for example 19:59 < jsaw> then chroot... 19:59 < ragrag_> abd if any problems occure again i'll be back^^ 19:59 < jsaw> cu 19:59 < ragrag_> cu 20:00 -!- ragrag_ [~ragrag@D57d1.d.pppool.de] has left #rocklinux ("chown linux:users /world ; mv /windows /dev/null") 20:00 * rajiv is back (gone 10:58:16) 20:17 * blindcoder back 20:25 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 20:28 < rolla> yawn 20:30 -!- starlord [~starlord@fj92.netikka.fi] has quit ("Client exited") 20:36 -!- dev0 [tobias@pD9E58D7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("[another day of memory dies]") 21:08 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802BCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 -!- [anders]_ [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 21:19 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:26 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5080221E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:30 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 21:31 -!- dyinginyourarms [tobias@pD9E58D7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:35 -!- dyinginyourarms is now known as dev0 21:39 < netrunner> who would reject patching the default papersize of ghostscript to letter? 21:39 < netrunner> here I always have to fight when printing from rl ... 21:40 * jsaw would 21:40 < jsaw> config option? 21:40 < jsaw> hi netrunner, btw 21:40 < netrunner> hi, too :) 21:40 < netrunner> jsaw: where? my printer is configured to use a4 (cups) 21:41 < jsaw> config option in the build system 21:41 < jsaw> (a new one)? 21:41 < netrunner> jsaw: the point is, that the /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster calls gs which then defaults to letter 21:41 < netrunner> jsaw: sure, I thought sth like that. (not forcing letter-users to fight from now on ;) 21:42 < netrunner> I'll work on that tomorrow in the uni, and send a suggestion to the list. 21:42 < netrunner> this is one of the things that is driving me mad under linux for years. :( 21:43 < jsaw> netrunner: are you sure, there's no env variable to set default paper size for gs? 21:50 < jsaw> netrunner: btw, if the document that runs through gs states that it wants "letter", gs will use letter. Another approach maybe to add a force "A4" to pstoraster instead of patching gs? 21:52 < jsaw> (I never had problems with cups so far, also nobody printing via samba to my machine. Only if people explicitely set the letter option...) 21:53 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091bb1.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:53 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802680.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:53 < SMP> arrgh 21:53 < jsaw> hi SMP, Tim Taylor's "arrarararar" back. 21:54 < SMP> someone must have modified gcc* so that building with build/ being a mount does not work anymore 21:54 * netrunne1 tried lpr -o media=a4 , but does not work either :( 21:54 < jsaw> netrunner: that's weird! 21:55 < netrunne1> jsaw: I know of now way to do this. If you tell me sth, I buy you a beer. or couple of. because that bothers me for a long time 21:58 < jsaw> netrunne1: would does your printer ppd say? (here /etc/cups/ppd/*) 21:59 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802BCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:59 < jsaw> netrunne1: and also try if it is case sensitive (try "Media=A4") 21:59 < netrunne1> jsaw: the defaults all say a4 22:00 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 22:00 < netrunner> I am pretty sure that it is the ghostscript call in pstoraster. it says nothing about papersize, so gs defaults to letteer 22:01 < jsaw> try "PageSize=A4" 22:01 < jsaw> not all printers understand Media=A4 AFAICS in my ppds 22:02 < jsaw> there's a profile passed to gs in pstoraster 22:02 < netrunner> I tried to put -sPAPERSIZE=a4 to the $gsopts in that file, but that leads to an Memory error of that gs call and abort 22:03 < netrunner> jsaw: I have DefaultPageSize=A4 in my lp.ppd 22:04 < jsaw> what's in your .lpoptions file? 22:04 < netrunner> (manually executing the modified pstoraster works btw but I am not sure if I reproduced all options) 22:05 < netrunner> jsaw: I have no such file. 22:06 < jsaw> did you try -o PageSize=A4? 22:06 < netrunner> hm just a second ... 22:09 < netrunner> no :/ 22:09 < jsaw> I have a job for you: a new package: https://freshmeat.net/projects/qtcups/ 22:11 < jsaw> In the meantime another try, add the following two lines to "~/.lpoptions" 22:11 < jsaw> Dest lp PageSize=A4 22:11 < jsaw> Default lp 22:14 < netrunner> jsaw: it's hp says: QtCUPS is obsolete and currently unmaintained 22:14 < jsaw> oh, ok. I'm still using it on my lab server.... 22:15 < netrunner> I do not have X there anyway. 22:15 < netrunner> I'll try to patch ghostscript tomorrow. then I'll see. 22:15 * jsaw is puzzled 22:19 < jsaw> netrunner: see REAME: 22:19 < jsaw> WHAT IS INCLUDED? 22:19 < jsaw> - Patches to add the NOMEDIAATTRS option to Ghostscript, 22:19 < jsaw> which allows CUPS drivers to use media options 22:19 < jsaw> separate from Ghostscript. 22:22 < jsaw> that's not it... it's already used by cups/pstoraster... 22:27 < netrunner> hm. 22:30 < netrunner> true. 22:30 < netrunner> argl. 22:35 -!- mistik1_ [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:36 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:1:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:42 < netrunner> reading from the web this seems to be a common problem with egs ... 22:42 * netrunner gives up for today ... n8* 22:43 < jsaw> cu netrunner 22:54 < SMP> this is incredible ... 22:54 < SMP> k3b seems to be unable to create an ISO image without having a cd writer 'recognized' 22:57 < jsaw> I use gcombust. But even nautilus can write without a burner... 22:59 < SMP> I don't even know why it doesn't 'recognize' my device - I even switched to the stupid ide-scsi layer 23:00 < jsaw> hurmpf 23:04 < rolla> re 23:07 < jsaw> hi rolla 23:14 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-uivendk.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:30 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit ("Client exiting") --- Log closed Thu Oct 23 00:00:18 2003