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--- Log opened Tue Oct 28 00:00:48 2003 00:07 -!- ThePcktMstr [~zen@user-2ivemju.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:15 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 01:09 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 01:09 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 02:34 < mnemoc> re... 02:58 -!- aPpYe [~appye@lsanca1-ar46-4-64-014-083.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:59 < aPpYe> okay ... i have been playing with gentoo and source mage ... now i am gonna play with rock linux. I notice that the install is gonna be a little harder? 02:59 < aPpYe> i see no "walkthrough" type info on the website. 03:00 < aPpYe> ah ... documentation 03:01 < mnemoc> remember that ROCKLinux is not a distribution 03:01 < aPpYe> it isn't? 03:01 < aPpYe> what is it then? 03:01 < mnemoc> it's a kit to build distributions 03:01 < aPpYe> sorry ... i just heard of rock linux a few days ago ... and i am about to play with it. 03:01 < mnemoc> read the rene's handbook 03:02 < aPpYe> hm... i may be getting in over my head ... not sure. is there a decent package management system like Portage or Sorcery? 03:03 < aPpYe> or should i go back to some other distros and become a little less "green" with linux? sorry if i am being too pushy. 03:03 < mnemoc> packages are almost compleltly updated 03:04 < aPpYe> well, i am reading the handbook stuff now, but what i was getting at was this: 03:04 < mnemoc> but is your responsability to keep your boxes with last ones... RL's tools will really help you to do that 03:06 < aPpYe> does it have a package management system similar to portage, apt, or sorcery ... where say if i want to install something like mozilla-firebird, will it let me know about stuff like dependencies, and if so, will it automatically download and install those as well? 03:06 < aPpYe> you probably answer these questions all the time. 03:07 < mnemoc> each package includes a generated file called '$pkg.cache' which includes all that info 03:08 < aPpYe> i see ... so are dependencies "automatically" handled like when using debian's apt or gentoo's portage? 03:09 < mnemoc> not like but... like... it's really hard to explain for me :( 03:09 < aPpYe> heh ... 03:09 < aPpYe> okay 03:09 < aPpYe> fair enough 03:09 < mnemoc> read the handbook... it can help you 03:10 < aPpYe> i will read through the manual stuff and then bug you for more questions. 03:10 < mnemoc> i'm pretty bad in english :\ 03:10 < aPpYe> :) 03:10 < aPpYe> ah ... i understand 03:11 < mnemoc> btw, this channel is almost completly european, so try to ask in 'european day' 03:11 < aPpYe> okay, i will try back here later and while time passes, i will be reading the manual stuff. 03:11 < aPpYe> what time is it there? 03:11 < mnemoc> 5:20am there 03:11 < aPpYe> okay ... so about 11 hours ahead of me. 03:12 < aPpYe> i will try back in a couple hours then! thanks. I am in California. 03:12 < mnemoc> when you end reading the handbook the channel will be full-alive :-) 03:13 < aPpYe> cool ... out of curiosity, what country are you in at the moment? 03:13 < mnemoc> .cl 03:13 < aPpYe> ? 03:13 < mnemoc> chile ;-) 03:14 < mnemoc> near argentina o_O 03:14 < aPpYe> lol 03:14 < aPpYe> that is south america 03:14 < mnemoc> YES 03:14 < mnemoc> but i'm the only one from that side of the world 03:14 < aPpYe> i thought you said it is 5:20 am where you are? oh ... i get it. 03:15 < aPpYe> are there a lot of people who speak english, or are they going to be speaking something else? 03:15 < mnemoc> english is the offical language of ROCK 03:15 < aPpYe> i only know english and a tiny bit of spanish. 03:15 < aPpYe> cool 03:16 < mnemoc> most ppl is german or austrian 03:16 < mnemoc> but they speak english much better than me :) 03:18 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 03:21 < aPpYe> to get an idea ... do you think I would have much of a problem building Rock Linux (complete with X-Windows, IceWm, and Mozilla-Firebird) without any complications on a laptop with Pentium200-mmx, 128mb RAM, and a 2GB Hard Drive? 03:21 < mnemoc> rock is : download -> desing -> build -> burn -> install 03:22 < aPpYe> desing? 03:22 < aPpYe> you mean design? 03:22 < mnemoc> yes :) 03:23 < mnemoc> the best is to build it in your best machine 03:24 < aPpYe> i see ... from the info i am gleaning from the manual, it sounds like i can actually design and build a system on one computer and then simply burn it to cd and transfer it to the other machine via an image created on a cd. 03:24 < mnemoc> you can have problems building a target with only 2GB of HD 03:24 < aPpYe> i see ... so i can build everything on one machine and then move the install over to another machine. 03:25 < mnemoc> you need the 'host' machine, all the tarballs, the new system, space for created .gem files 03:25 < mnemoc> and space for the .iso file if you choose to create it 03:34 < mnemoc> i hope you got the crypted message (i call it english, but i know it isn't) i wrote here :| 03:36 < Mike1> Hola Alejandro 03:38 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:38 < mnemoc> Buen dia Don Miguel 03:39 < mnemoc> como esta su primo chespirito? 03:48 < Mike1> no tambien como tu hermano el Botija :) 03:50 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F51C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:51 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p508023F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:52 < Mike1> www.hidrogeno.org/gallery/Linuxeras 03:57 < mnemoc> we need a couple of those on rock 03:57 < Mike1> we sure do :) 04:16 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p508019ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:16 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F51C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 04:16 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 04:55 -!- aPpYe [~appye@lsanca1-ar46-4-64-014-083.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:31 < Mike1> *yawn* 07:20 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a72.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:47 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivelgm.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 08:02 -!- Baldzius [~user@212.122.72.33] has joined #rocklinux 08:16 -!- Baldzius [~user@212.122.72.33] has quit () 08:42 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a72.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:14 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:17 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 09:18 < blindcoder> moin moin 09:30 -!- AOU [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:30 < AOU> moin 09:34 < rxr> re 09:34 < rxr> moin AOU 09:40 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 < Mike1> moin. 09:40 < Mike1> AOU: omg what kind of a nick is that? 09:46 < AOU> hi rxr , Mike1 09:46 < AOU> Mike1: AOU = asshole of universe 09:47 < rxr> owl - why can't you stay with one nick ? 09:47 < Mike1> AOU: ah ... interesting.. the onbly thing is that i consider you far from been as A$$h0l3.. 09:47 < AOU> because i can't 09:47 < Mike1> hi rxr 09:48 < Mike1> rxr: seems like she is nick-aholic or something 09:48 < AOU> Mike1: depends on the point of view 09:48 < Mike1> AOU: and how many points of view should be to consider? 09:49 < cchamilt_> hi 09:49 < Mike1> cchamilt_: Good day :) 09:49 < AOU> dunno 09:50 < AOU> hrm. svn-server is dead? 09:50 < AOU> hi cchamilt_ 09:51 < cchamilt_> rxr: Have you seen any problem with socklen_t not being found by curl? 09:52 < AOU> svn: Connection timed out 09:52 < AOU> svn: Can't connect to host 'schillernet.dyndns.org' 09:52 < rxr> cchamilt_: nope 09:52 < AOU> ?!? 09:53 < rxr> AOU: should work 09:53 < rxr> do you use https:// or svn:// ? 09:53 < AOU> svn:// 09:54 < Mike1> AOU: try https:// 09:55 < AOU> ok... works... thx 09:55 < rxr> but svn:// should work, too 09:56 < Mike1> rxr: perhaps it could be an internal problem on owl's box? 09:56 * Mike1 just started a new rock target... 09:56 < Mike1> guess it will take me some months to complete it.. 09:56 < blindcoder> which target? 09:56 < blindcoder> hi all! :) 09:56 < AOU> or with the network here... 09:57 < Mike1> good day blindy. :) 09:57 < Mike1> blindcoder: selinux target .. 09:58 < cchamilt_> hi bc 09:58 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.174.80.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:58 < AOU> hi blindy! 09:59 < blindcoder> hehe, I start to like BPS even more :D 09:59 < cchamilt_> rxr: The socklen_t problem is on one specific box. I think socklen_t comes from headers borrowed from linux. At least rebuilding glibc does not fix it, and their was light discussion on curl list that it is kernel related. 09:59 < Mike1> BPS? 09:59 < blindcoder> Battle Programmer Shirase :D 10:00 < Mike1> mm.. ok :) 10:00 < blindcoder> It's a funny little Anime about a "free programmer" :) 10:00 < Mike1> blindcoder: perhap you wanna share it with me? :) 10:01 < blindcoder> Mike1: Get yourself some BitTorrent ;P (just a momemnt) 10:01 < Mike1> blindcoder: i run BitTorrent since quite a while.. 10:02 < cchamilt_> It sounds like 'master fisherman' or the anime about playing basketball or spinning tops in competition. Or better yet the competitive cooking one. 10:02 < cchamilt_> I like anime, and I dont mind meaningless drama, I just can't get behind 'silly' drama. 10:03 < blindcoder> cchamilt_: Beyblade? I never got myself around watching that one... and probably I never will... 10:03 < cchamilt_> Dont, they market it heavy here. It is so crappy something to run from on saturday mornings. 10:03 < blindcoder> I completely get your point :) 10:04 < blindcoder> I don't know if it runs on TV here (due to lack of a TV), but I know that they're heavily marketing the Manga here 10:05 < blindcoder> but.... a competitive cooking anime? I remember that one episode in One Piece where there was one, but... 10:06 < cchamilt_> We have afternoons on subtitled stuff from AXN network (aussies) and then local networks for Saturday/Sunday mornings. There are these great space girl ones with zero plot, but ... 10:07 < blindcoder> who needs a plot if you can send some cat-eared girl in a haevy mecha into space :P 10:07 < cchamilt_> Yes, I cant remember the cooking one's name, it is one that AXN shows. I think before the basketball one. 10:07 < cchamilt_> yep 10:07 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:08 < blindcoder> anyway, I'll get myself some breakfast now 10:09 < AOU> blindcoder: *kick* 10:10 < blindcoder> *ouch* 10:10 < blindcoder> what was that for now? *cry* 10:10 < blindcoder> *ARGH* 10:10 < AOU> blindcoder: because you're eating. and i'm hungry. that's not fair :p 10:11 < blindcoder> MIKE! DON'T MESS UP ALL MY CONSOLES! 10:11 < blindcoder> AOU: get yourself some food :P 10:12 < AOU> blindcoder, Mike1: what are you doing? 10:12 < blindcoder> btw, breakfast = cup.makebig(coffee); 10:12 < AOU> blindcoder: i can't. i'm at work... 10:12 < blindcoder> AOU: he's shouting >_< (via wall) 10:12 < AOU> ah so... *g* 10:12 < Mike1> blindcoder: i just messed one saying hello.. sorry :( 10:13 < blindcoder> Mike1: nothing resizing the xterm and back couldn't fix :P 10:13 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-082-057.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:13 < Mike1> blindcoder: yeah sure but first you had to scream at me.. 10:14 < AOU> O_o 10:14 < blindcoder> of course I had to :-) 10:14 < blindcoder> anyway, bbl 10:15 < Mike1> okis :) 10:17 < cchamilt_> OK I need general help here for the socket header thing: 10:17 < cchamilt_> I get the following from curl's config.log: 10:18 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.135.251.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:18 < cchamilt_> configure:26025: conflicting types for `getpeername' 10:18 < cchamilt_> /usr/include/sys/socket.h:127: previous declaration of `getpeername' 10:19 < cchamilt_> The only things included were sys/types.h and sys/socket.h so were is this getpeername coming from? 10:23 < cchamilt_> /usr/include/tcpd.h is the only other place getpeername is defined, and nothing in /usr/include includes it 10:24 -!- Baldzius [~user@212.122.72.33] has joined #rocklinux 10:26 < rxr> re 10:26 < rxr> hi Baldzius 10:27 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-064-154.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:28 < rxr> hi kasc 10:28 < cchamilt_> rxr: I am getting CPPFLAGS='yes/include ' during curls build. 10:32 < cchamilt_> ugh - somehow the prefix is turned to yes I think! 10:32 < Baldzius> hello :) 10:34 < cchamilt_> hi baldzius 10:35 < Baldzius> this channel is very friendly :) 10:35 < Mike1> Baldzius: sure it is :) 10:36 * blindcoder back 10:36 < Mike1> wb bc 10:36 < blindcoder> thx 10:38 < cchamilt_> rxr: found the bug, not sure the reason yet. 10:42 < cchamilt_> rxr: Inside configure of curl: $OPT_ZLIB is being defined as 'yes'. 10:56 < cchamilt_> rxr: It appears that curl does not have its configure setup for kerberos correctly. 10:57 < cchamilt_> So this whole thing is my problem I guess. 11:01 < cchamilt_> Damn it, curl requires a --with-gssapi with a value and makes no checks if it is empty. duh... 11:09 < AOU> hmm... when will rock-2.0.0-STABLE be released, btw? 11:10 < Mike1> someday. 11:10 < Mike1> ;-) 11:11 < Baldzius> :) 11:11 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2ivelgm.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 11:12 < AOU> *cough* 11:12 < Baldzius> i have one stupid question: is there distcc support in rock? 11:12 < blindcoder> don't think so 11:15 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: AOU, Baldzius 11:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Baldzius, AOU 11:21 < rxr> Baldzius: but cluster support and ccache support 11:21 < rxr> you are free to add distcc support ... 11:23 < AOU> rxr: when will be there a stable version of rock? 11:24 < blindcoder> AOU: current svn is extremely stable 11:25 < AOU> ok... just the fact that i don#t want to do a fork before it is stable-released... (but first i need a new system for my notebook) 11:25 < blindcoder> stupid as always... 11:25 < AOU> why stupid?! 11:26 * Mike1 can't wait to see this fork :) 11:26 < blindcoder> if you don't know, then even more so 11:26 < AOU> blindcoder: no. explain me... is it because i don't want to use rock? 11:27 < blindcoder> well.. I've rarely seen someone as stupid as announcing a fork of project X in project X's communication channel 11:28 < AOU> haha. that's my problem, not yours, isn't it? 11:28 < blindcoder> like I said. stupid 11:28 * Mike1 sits and enjoys the show.. daja77 if you just were here :) 11:28 < AOU> nope. not stupid 11:29 < Mike1> AOU: If i asked to you, what does a fork mean, what would you answer? 11:29 < Baldzius> :) 11:29 < AOU> Mike1: *kick* 11:29 < blindcoder> *lol* 11:29 < Mike1> AOU: i am serious. 11:29 < blindcoder> baaaakaaaaa :D 11:30 < AOU> Mike1: a) i don't see any reason to answer. b) i can't explain it in english 11:31 < blindcoder> AOU: explain in german, I'll transalte 11:31 < AOU> blindcoder: a) 11:31 < esden> good morning everyone 11:31 < AOU> hi esden ! *hug* 11:31 < blindcoder> AOU: so you just admit defeat? 11:31 < blindcoder> moin esden 11:32 < Mike1> AOU: yeah say it in german.. i can nearly understand 60 - 65% of whaat you will say i guess :), and regarding a.. guess the reason is because you don't have a damn clue of what a fork is.. 11:32 < AOU> that's not true 11:32 < Mike1> esden: wow great to see you after all this time :) 11:32 < esden> hehe ... Mike1 my visits here will stay rare ... sadly 11:32 < blindcoder> AOU: you're avoiding the question 11:33 < esden> nice to se you too Mike1 11:33 < AOU> blindcoder: i'm not willed to answer (guess we already had the topic some month ago, too) 11:34 < Mike1> AOU: so please i encourage you prove us wrong and let us know your answer. :) 11:34 < blindcoder> AOU: yes. You avoid all questions about something you have no clue about with a "I don't have to answer" 11:34 < blindcoder> true, we had that one already 11:34 < esden> ahh owl is willing to fork rock? 11:34 < AOU> blindcoder: aha? you know me better than i know me. interesting. 11:35 < blindcoder> AOU: that's usually the case 11:35 < AOU> usually != everytime 11:35 < Mike1> AOU: my comment as a friend.. really it is ok to admit it when you don't know about something, no need to avoid stuff, is not like rockers know everything 11:35 < Mike1> esden: mm.. it sucks .. you are no longer around enough.. 11:36 < Mike1> esden: i tried been nice with blindcoder as you are not too much around for just normal chatting, but he just screamed at me.. so it sux 11:36 < Mike1> blindcoder: can be mean sometimes :( 11:36 < Mike1> jk :P 11:37 < AOU> *gnarf* 11:37 < esden> uh oh ... I have to take a chat with blindcoder ;) 11:37 < AOU> denglish docu in our product :-( 11:38 < esden> Mike1: sorry ... but my schedule is really full ... and I have now a project that has a higher priority then rock 11:38 < Mike1> esden: mm.. a chick huh? :) 11:38 < esden> no ... my bachelor thesis 11:38 < Mike1> yeah i know :) 11:38 < esden> ;) 11:39 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F988.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:39 < Mike1> esden: how much longer will you be away from us? 11:39 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p508019ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 11:39 < blindcod1r> something messed up with my machine... 11:39 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:40 < esden> Mike1: probably something about two years :( 11:40 < Mike1> WHAT!!??? 11:40 < esden> but I will still follow mailinglist ... come around in channel and come to the meetings 11:40 < AOU> haeh?! wtf are you doing, esden ? 11:41 < Mike1> 2 years is just too much! 11:41 < esden> and perhups do smaller patches for rock when I find some spare minutes 11:41 < esden> but no bigger projects 11:41 < Mike1> damn esden :( 11:41 < blindcoder> and there people wonder why I don't go to university... 11:41 < esden> Mike1: that is life ... I have to take care of my future ;) 11:42 < esden> blindcoder: :P 11:42 < Mike1> blindcoder: thats wasn't it because classes weren't in jap and there were not books with manga? 11:43 < blindcoder> Mike1: pssssssssst, don't shout it out to everyone! 11:43 < Mike1> esden: I understand, i just can say that i wish the best in this new project, and that as always you have a friend here in CR supporting you :) 11:43 < Mike1> blindcoder: oopps sorry didn't knew it was that secret :) 11:44 < AOU> scheisse. 11:44 < Mike1> AOU: hungry? 11:45 < AOU> no. my co-worker listens to music which sounds like "music for children"... heeeeelp! 11:45 < Mike1> cool! as him if he's got some muppets stuff :) 11:46 < AOU> *g* 11:48 < AOU> "halleluja" in a song?!!!! WAAAAAAAAH! 11:49 < Mike1> awesome!!!!!!!!!!! :) 11:50 < esden> Mike1: thank you Mike1!!! 11:50 < AOU> Mike1: not really.... 11:50 < Mike1> no need to thank me esden :) 11:51 < Mike1> AOU: would you prefer some brittney spears "music" ? 11:51 < esden> ahh di.fm rulez! ;) 11:51 < esden> deep house stream! 11:51 < AOU> Mike1: *kick* 11:51 < esden> that is music 11:52 < Mike1> hehehe 11:53 < Mike1> urrgss so fscking cold out there.. i need my megatokyo blanket 11:53 < AOU> esden: "pah, bist doch nur neidisch" ;p 11:55 < blindcoder> WEE! 11:55 < blindcoder> More Trolling in dasr! 11:55 < blindcoder> I know why I love that newsgroup :D 11:57 < esden> grr I need ext2resize ... in which packet is it?!?! 11:57 < blindcoder> none 11:58 < blindcoder> btw. If yu want to resize an ext3-partition you have to disable the Journal first using tune2fs 11:58 < blindcoder> s/partition/filesystem 12:00 < esden> aha ok 12:00 < blindcoder> and reactivate it afterwards, of course 12:01 < esden> yes sure 12:01 < blindcoder> I think I'll take a shower now and go to bitz then... 12:01 < blindcoder> hmhm, sounds good 12:01 < blindcoder> bye! 12:10 -!- alanw [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 12:11 < Mike1> hi alanw 12:11 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD90056CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:13 < AOU> hi alanw , trekkie3k 12:14 < trekkie3k> hi 12:15 < alanw> hi folks 12:27 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:44 < daja77> hi all 12:51 < Mike1> hi daja77!!!!!! 12:51 < daja77> hey Mike1, i see i missed the show :) 12:51 < Mike1> yeah :( 12:52 < Mike1> though there were not real swear words or decapitations.. 12:52 < daja77> but i have backlog 12:52 < daja77> yeah so not that much fun ^^ 12:52 < Mike1> yeah.. still read backlog it will be fun :) 12:53 < daja77> it is 12:53 < daja77> execpt for esden bein away 12:53 < Mike1> its been a while since we don't get decent entertainment here.. right Baldzius ? 12:53 < Mike1> oh yeah esden's notice sux the big time.. 12:55 < daja77> well why you need a seperate target for selinux? 12:56 < Mike1> because it uses a whole different kernel cfg, plus other patches, and uses severl other taches that will not really be wanted by everyone on generic or desktop 12:57 < Mike1> even though i will try to do something like what esden did with dietlibc target so selinux target can be used along with other normal targets. 12:57 < daja77> hmm pretty much the same like rt stuff, still doesn't require a target of its own imo 12:57 < daja77> toggling se stuff from config + seperate packages selection should do the trick 12:58 < Mike1> maybe you want to elaborate :) 12:58 < daja77> extending rock has never been so easy :)) 12:58 * Mike1 has been away for long.. 12:58 < daja77> ic, that's why I am telling you 12:59 < Mike1> so i am asking.. what do you suggest in sead of a target? 12:59 * blindcoder back 13:00 < daja77> doin a switch in Config which adds the required patches when toggled and creating a suitable package selection template for it 13:00 < Mike1> mm.. i see 13:00 < daja77> just like i did with rtai stuff (ignore the fact that it is not working in trunk for awhile ^^) 13:00 < Mike1> is this the way youve made rt? 13:00 < daja77> yes 13:01 < Mike1> can i possible see some of your work to ilustrate my self? 13:01 < daja77> it is in trunk 13:01 < Mike1> mm.. ok :) 13:01 < daja77> of course you can have a look at it 13:01 < Mike1> will check thanks. 13:01 < daja77> :) 13:01 < daja77> np 13:01 < Mike1> no i will be off for a bit so i can have breakfast :) 13:01 * daja77 too 13:01 < daja77> cu 13:05 < AOU> hmm. someone uses intel's c++ compiler 7.1? 13:06 < rxr> nope 13:08 < AOU> :-( 13:11 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:12 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 13:14 -!- Baldzius [~user@212.122.72.33] has quit () 13:27 -!- [anders]_ [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 13:27 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:48 < rxr> any votes to which mozilla package to update ? 13:48 -!- [anders]_ [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:50 < rxr> 1.5 ? 13:54 < rxr> ok - 1.5 14:04 < rxr> re 14:06 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit ("leaving") 14:09 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:11 < rxr> hi hannes 14:11 < daja77> hi rxr 14:11 < rxr> hi daja77 14:11 < hannes> rehi 14:20 < rxr> open W-Lans are really cool 14:22 < blindcoder> rxr: found one? 14:26 < daja77> rxr: enjoy! 14:27 < daja77> he opened one ^^ 14:28 < blindcoder> hmm... 14:28 < blindcoder> We have a Cafe here with WLan and Internet Access for free as long as you stay there :) 14:29 < blindcoder> the first one in all Bavaria :) 14:29 < rxr> blindcoder: I have two here - one in one room - and another in the kitchen 14:29 < rxr> but the one in the kitchen sucks - it has no statefull firewall - but disableds all but http and ftp ... 14:30 < blindcoder> why two? 14:30 < rxr> an the kitchen one also is ass slow (like ISDN) 14:30 < blindcoder> d'ouh 14:30 < rxr> blindcoder: because too many people have not closed the AP correctly ... 14:30 < rxr> ;-)# 14:30 < blindcoder> nice :) 14:31 < rxr> but the kitchen one does has two old redhat boxes in the net , which could easily be exploited (e.g. openssh) and the firewall adapted to my needs 14:31 < rxr> but I'm not a cracker ... ;-) 14:31 < blindcoder> I'm still thinking about installingc WLan at home 14:31 < blindcoder> parents would pay for equipment 14:31 < rxr> maybe I should send him a mail and ask to help to setup a more useful firewall - and maybe update his really old redhat boxes with w.th. more up-to-date ... 14:32 < blindcoder> rxr: sounds like work... 14:32 < rxr> sending him my easy-firewall (tm) script is not much work ... 14:33 < rxr> and if I could ssh in the kitchen ;-) 14:33 < rolla> re 14:33 < AOU> blindcoder: why not buying it, then? 14:33 < blindcoder> rxr: true... 14:33 < rxr> buying what ? 14:33 < blindcoder> AOU: because I'm a lazy bum and don't want to spend days securing the WLAN 14:33 < rxr> ah - not me :-( puh 14:34 < AOU> O_o 14:34 < AOU> blindcoder: buy it and give it to me ;p 14:34 < blindcoder> rxr: my parents would pay for a WLAN at home 14:34 < rxr> blindcoder: securing is wasy 14:34 < rxr> 1st: change the admin password 14:34 < blindcoder> AOU: that would be pointless. Nothing would be left for me :P 14:35 < rxr> 2nd: encrypt 14:35 < rxr> 3rd: filter by MAC address 14:35 < rxr> and this is quite un-easy to open 14:35 < rxr> if you need s.th. more secure (e.g. company) 14:35 < blindcoder> hmm... true... 14:35 < rxr> 4th: setup ipsec 14:35 < AOU> blindcoder: hehe. bad luck ;p 14:36 < rxr> both APs are not encrypted - and only one filtered the MAC ... 14:36 < rxr> but this is not hard to "make work" 14:36 < blindcoder> hehe 14:37 < blindcoder> well, maybe I'll give it a try.... but I still need a laptop then >_< 14:37 < blindcoder> *argh* not enough money >_< 14:38 < AOU> hihi. i could sell you HD and ram... but no notebook ;p 14:38 < blindcoder> AOU: will it fit into my years-old SCENIC Mobile 310 CS? 14:38 < daja77> blindy's rock solid notebook :) 14:38 < AOU> dunno? 14:39 < AOU> see bingo.markt.verschiedenes... 14:39 < blindcoder> AOU: well, there are no images, so I couldn't tell 14:40 < AOU> hoeh? 14:40 < AOU> ATAPI/IDE... 2.5 "... about 1 cm "fat" 14:40 < blindcoder> well, the HD would probably fit 14:40 < blindcoder> but the RAM... 14:41 < AOU> hmmm... want the HD? 14:42 < blindcoder> would have to test if it brings me some performance 14:42 < blindcoder> my 2GB HD is still 50% free 14:42 < AOU> jup... and the price would be ok for you? 14:43 < blindcoder> how much 14:43 < blindcoder> haven't got the price by heart 14:58 < daja77> btw https://www.fefe.de/linuxtag2003/linuxtag.txt 15:25 -!- pieass [~pieass@dialin-212-144-064-153.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:27 < pieass> hi 15:27 < blindcoder> hi 15:30 < AOU> hi pieass 15:34 < rxr> hi pieass 15:34 < cchamilt_> ehm hello 15:35 < pieass> hi owl, rxr, cchamilt 15:35 < pieass> +blindcoder 15:35 < cchamilt_> I have dump failing in bootdisk target missing -ltermcap in stage 5. 15:39 < cchamilt_> xfsprogs is also failing as libuuid.a in not inside /lib 15:40 < cchamilt_> It appears this /lib to /usr/lib thing is not such a good thing to do in RC stage. 15:42 < pieass> btw.. is ROCK ready to use, now? 15:43 < rxr> sure 15:43 < rxr> the easiest is to download precompiled ISO images ... 15:43 < pieass> should i put ROCK on my laptop? 15:44 < cchamilt_> Hmm, fix dump or fix ncurses... 15:44 < rxr> pieass: why not ? 15:45 < pieass> rxr: i don't have flat or broadband, is there a shop where i can buy cds? 15:48 < AOU> pieass: optimized for? 15:49 < pieass> uhmn.. the laptop is pentium 2 15:49 < pieass> but i maybe i will put ROCK on the router, too. 15:50 < rxr> pieass: I (www.rocklinux-consulting.de) plan to ship CDs ... 15:50 < rxr> if you can wait some days / weeks I can ship them ... 15:51 < rxr> what prics would be ok for you? 10-20 EUR ? 15:51 < pieass> how many cds? 15:52 < SMP> cchamilt_: things don't suddenly become near-release quality just by declaring'RC stage' ;) 15:53 < pieass> rxr: i think 5 EUR / cd is good, but i don't know if it would be profitable to you 15:53 < cchamilt_> Should the ncurses .a's stay in /lib? And if so, why is dump finding it in config, and then failing to link in compile? 15:53 < rxr> pieass: the desktop build are 2 full CDs and 200MB or so on the 3rd (for x86) - for PowerPC a desktop build are 3 full CDs ... 15:54 < pieass> what exactly means "desktop"? 15:55 < rxr> pieass: we have several build targets - which can perform many modifications on the build process 15:56 < rxr> like a server, router, desktop, ... target ... 15:56 < cchamilt_> rxr: Should the link for /lib/libtermcap.a go to /usr/lib/libtermcap.a of should it ust be corrected to point at /usr/lib/libncurses.a? 15:56 < rxr> cchamilt_: I need to take a look later ... 15:56 < rxr> pieass: https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html 15:57 < pieass> thx 15:57 < rxr> and maybe this is where you could take a look soon: 15:57 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/drock/ 15:58 < cchamilt_> rxr: OK, dump and xfsprogs (it needs to point to /usr/lib/libuuid.a) will wait. :) 15:59 < SMP> xfsprogs should use the shared uuid lib 16:00 < cchamilt_> smp: Only reporting. I can say that heimdal and evms seem ready to send as a patch. 16:04 < pieass> can i install ROCK from diskette over network? the laptop has no cd-rom. 16:06 < pieass> <- idiot. 16:06 < pieass> i should better read the whole rock-handbook 16:14 < rxr> ;-) 16:14 < rxr> the install section is a bit tight - I plan to work the section out in more detail for some weeks now - but have not yet found the time - but it will be done soon 16:27 < rxr> svn://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de functional again ... 16:28 < rxr> I'm "shortly" off-line (with the iBook in the kitchen - cu) 16:28 < pieass> cu 16:35 -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, AOU, kasc, true, alanw 16:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: alanw, rolla, true, kasc, AOU 16:39 < daja77> oh pieass here 16:39 < pieass> du kennst mich noch? 16:41 < daja77> yep 16:41 < pieass> wow :) 16:41 * daja77 has an elephant brain 11 16:41 < daja77> ^^ 16:42 < pieass> yeah 16:42 < AOU> O_o 16:50 * daja77 off to unix meeting and seeing his girl afterwards 16:50 < AOU> daja77: have fun. bye 16:51 * pieass being jealous 16:51 < pieass> have fun, daja :) 16:51 < AOU> true: *kick* 16:51 < true> AOU: *rekick* 16:51 < pieass> .oO( girlfriend ) 16:52 < blindcoder> women *sigh* 16:52 < AOU> men... 16:53 < blindcoder> :P 16:53 < pieass> ? 16:53 < blindcoder> sorry for being alive 16:53 < AOU> blindcoder: *kick* i didn't mean it in this way 17:00 < pieass> my computer sience teacher says, i must emulate Windows' Notepad to edit turbo pascal programs, because i don't have windows. 17:01 < blindcoder> ehm... I call the notepad emulator "vim" 17:01 < AOU> pieass: pardon, _what_?! *roflmao* 17:01 < pieass> yes... she doesn't even know about other editors... 17:02 < AOU> muahaha 17:04 < pieass> she said we can use notepad to edit the program. i jokingly said, i don't have notepad installed, so she gave me the hot tip to emulate it. 17:05 < blindcoder> edit it via cat and sed :D 17:05 < AOU> hihi. kewl. 17:05 < pieass> she also told us to buy turbo pascal from borland.. 17:06 < AOU> /mnt/hda6/rock-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 908: /tmp/sh-np-2077230694: Interrupted system call 17:06 < AOU> ^^ means? 17:07 < AOU> what is broken here? 17:10 < clifford> AOU: Hmmm... that is new. ;-) 17:11 < clifford> Are you building on a ROCK system or something else? 17:11 < AOU> clifford: debian 17:11 < AOU> hi btw 17:11 < AOU> and: i remember that i already had a problem like this... but can't remember how to fix it 17:12 < clifford> running a vannilia kernel? 17:12 < clifford> running debians bash or a self-built one? 17:12 < AOU> clifford: vanilla, self-build 17:13 < clifford> hm... 17:14 < clifford> "line 908" .. current svn? 17:14 < AOU> yep. checked out today 17:15 * clifford running svn up ... 17:17 < AOU> clifford: how are you? everything ok? 17:19 < clifford> yup - I'm fine. Had a flue this weekend - so I built a new brainf*ck cpu ... ;-) 17:19 < AOU> O_o brainf*ck cpu??? 17:19 < pieass> a brainfuck cpu? o_O 17:19 < clifford> www.clifford.at/priv/bfcpu-0.09.tar.gz 17:20 < clifford> running at 48MHz on a Spartan-IIE 17:20 < clifford> the CPU could be faster but the block ram on the chip is so slow. 17:20 < pieass> omfg 17:22 < clifford> Since this weekend it's an "architecture" with two cpus. 17:22 < clifford> the cw6670 and the cw6671. 17:22 < clifford> the cw6671 has a 1 byte internal cache which almost doubles the performance. 17:22 < clifford> in bf code you useually have large sequences of ++++++++ or ---------- 17:23 < clifford> each + or - is 3 cpu cycles in the cw6670: load instruction, load old value, store new value 17:23 < clifford> in the cw6671 there is only one load old value in the beginning and a store new value at the end. 17:24 < clifford> also the memory initialiyzation is now done on-the-fly whenever a new memory region is reached. 17:25 < clifford> the cw6670 is zero-initializating the whole ram after power-on, which is pretty slow with huge memory even when running just a small app.. ;-) 17:26 < clifford> (the source archive also contains the bios and a benchmark - both written in brainf*ck) 17:28 < clifford> still there boys and girls ?? ;-) 17:28 < SMP> of course :) 17:28 < AOU> yeah. 17:28 < AOU> nc. 17:29 < SMP> what good is a BIOS if you can't make function calls? 17:31 < clifford> the BIOS is just a program loader. 17:31 < pieass> is the bios's only function printing BF-CPU on the screen? 17:31 < clifford> the importand part of it is this code: ,[>,]> 17:32 * SMP can't memorize the mnonics 17:32 < clifford> the data-pointer is initialized to point to the memory address directly after the bios code. 17:32 < clifford> so this reads in a brainfuck program from the user and then "runs into it" when the bios has finished. 17:33 < pieass> ah.. 17:36 < clifford> SMP: +- = increment and decrement *p, >< = inc. and dec. p, . = putchar(*p), , = *p=getch(), [ = while (*p) {, ] = } 17:37 < clifford> p beeing defined as char *p = calloc(size_of_bf_memory) 17:38 < pieass> i think that's crazy 17:39 < esden> hi clifford ... it would be really nice if you would create a real touring machine ... that would be very usefull for the complexity theory guys 17:40 < SMP> yes, it would also solve all problems about data storage for mankind :> 17:40 < esden> SMP: hehe ;) 17:41 < clifford> SMP: *rotfl* 17:43 < pieass> bye 17:43 -!- pieass [~pieass@dialin-212-144-064-153.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("leaving") 17:44 < clifford> AOU: is the Build-Pkg problem reproduceable ? 17:45 < AOU> clifford: dunno. had it 2 times on this machine... will play a bit with it, in train... 17:46 < clifford> ok. 17:47 * clifford has to go to the cngw meeting presenting his brainf*ck cpu core and preparing some 20c3 stuff now .. 17:47 < AOU> bye clifford 17:47 < clifford> bye. afk. 17:52 < AOU> <- off (train) 17:52 < AOU> bbl 17:54 < esden> nice ... my theoretic informatics professor is very interested in bf ;) 17:57 < rxr> re 18:01 < rxr> AOU: probably your bash it out of date 18:02 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a8f.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:03 < rxr> hi scoopex 18:09 < esden> humm ... bf is touring-complete 18:09 < esden> interesting 18:10 < esden> now it would be nice to have a algorithm to transform the transformations that are normally used to describe touring machine behaviour to the bf loop description 18:13 < rolla> yawn 18:13 < rxr> would it make sence to add Mozilla Firebird into ROCK Linux ? 18:14 < rolla> yes 18:18 < rxr> do you already use firebird ? 18:19 < rolla> yes 18:19 < rolla> .7 18:20 < rxr> linux or windows? 18:20 < rolla> wha 18:20 < rolla> I never use windows 18:20 < rxr> ;-) 18:20 * rolla feels insulted 18:20 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M346P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:21 < rxr> rolla: btw: Do you use ROCK in your company ? 18:22 < rolla> in a couple of places yes 18:22 < rolla> but mostly Solaris 18:22 < rolla> They are talking about devloping our software for linux 18:22 < rolla> but that will be either redhat or suse 18:44 < rxr> you use ROCK Linux to build packages on solaris ? 18:45 < rolla> nope 18:45 < rolla> solaris is used for SAP 18:50 < rxr> ok 18:51 < rxr> rolla: may I ask what versions of ROCK are currently in use? 19:05 < rolla> old 19:05 < rolla> :) 19:05 < rolla> 1.5.17 19:09 < rxr> oh - ah 19:09 < rolla> yeah I have not had time to run new builds 19:10 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M346P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:10 < rolla> I need to do that just have not had time to start the download 19:19 < rolla> s/si/so/ 19:26 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-144.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 19:26 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-144.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:27 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2inig7a.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-144.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 19:32 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-144.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 < cytrinox`-> moin 20:18 < scoopex> rxr: hi :-) 20:23 < rxr> hi scoopex 20:28 < scoopex> whats up ? 20:39 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD900574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:42 < rolla> == 13:40:50 =[0]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2.3 2.0.0-rc1]. 20:42 < rolla> wow the first build in months for me ;) 20:48 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:55 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD90056CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB447.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:01 < tcr> moin all 21:17 < AOU> moin tcr 21:20 < AOU> true: *kick* 21:26 < true> AOU: why are u kicking me? :p 21:26 < AOU> true: because of the ".3"-story 21:27 < true> AOU: *har* 21:30 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a8f.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:36 -!- elon [afgh@dialin-145-254-057-135.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:37 < elon> hi 21:38 < elon> can anyuone tell me why the kernel includes arent installed in the latest release of rock ? 21:46 < rxr> elon: what kernel includes ? 21:46 < rxr> usr/include/{linux,asm,...) ? 21:46 < rxr> hm } even ... 21:54 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-144.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:00 < elon> /usr/src/linux/include 22:01 < elon> the complete directory lacks 22:45 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2inig7a.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (No route to host) 22:48 < rxr> elon: which exact version? 22:48 < rxr> 2.0.0-rc1 or a SVN build ? 22:58 < elon> 2.0.0-rc1 23:00 < rxr> elon ok - I track this 23:09 < elon> tnx brb 23:09 -!- elon [afgh@dialin-145-254-057-135.arcor-ip.net] has quit () 23:11 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB447.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:22 -!- elon [~afgh@dialin-145-254-060-115.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:23 < rxr> rehi elon 23:24 < elon> hi rxr 23:33 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD900574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("$default_quit_message") 23:43 -!- martman [~martman@syr-24-59-88-127.twcny.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:44 < rxr> hi martman 23:44 -!- martman [~martman@syr-24-59-88-127.twcny.rr.com] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 23:45 < rxr> hm - short visit ... 23:46 -!- martman [~martman@syr-24-59-88-127.twcny.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:47 < martman> has anyone gotten rock(a base only one) to compile under cygwin and gcc? 23:49 < rxr> puh - I think not many tried s.th. like this 23:49 < rxr> I heared esden wanted to try this ... 23:50 < rxr> for what do you need this - and does a linux kernel build in cygwin ? 23:50 < martman> im going to be xp only for a few days on my desktop, really dont want to compile on anything else 23:50 < martman> im not sure about the kernel 23:54 < martman> is there a good rock linux forum i could ask at? 23:57 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux --- Log closed Wed Oct 29 00:00:06 2003