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--- Log opened Fre Nov 21 00:00:50 2003 00:36 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 00:54 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 01:27 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:32 < rxr> re 01:42 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:44 < rxr> hi Nebukadneza2 01:46 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 01:50 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-199.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 01:54 < rxr> cu later 02:00 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 02:13 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M355P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 02:18 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 02:24 -!- nookie [~nookie@M329P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 02:27 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm151.gamma146.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 02:27 < cchamilt> hi all 02:27 < cchamilt> I think I have a new bug found due to the lib->usr/lib 02:28 < cchamilt> kdeadmin is failing for me because libmisc.la is not being found in /lib as it was moved to /usr/lib with the .a's 02:29 < cchamilt> So it looks like links from usr/lib to lib might be the only sensible solution for things like this. 02:30 < cchamilt> Of course this is considering that we want ROCK systems to easily compile software in general not just rock packages. 02:30 < SMP> these "static libs in /lib or not" problems are completely ridiculous 02:31 < SMP> noone else is stupid enough to even think about static libs in /lib 02:32 < cchamilt> It should have NEVER been put in stable, much less checked into a development tree until it was proven painless. IT IS HARDLY NECESSARY. 02:32 < SMP> I bet kdeadmin fails because we have a patch that forces it tu use /lib/libmisc.a 02:32 < cchamilt> FHS is not a requirement, it is a suggestion. 02:32 < cchamilt> heh 02:33 < cchamilt> yes, i think we are definitely violating kiss policy and rule of least surprises. 02:33 < cchamilt> no kdeadmin patch. 02:33 < SMP> can I see the .err ? 02:36 < cchamilt> The .err was cleaned by my recompiling. 02:36 < cchamilt> I cp'ed the .la cause I am not about to 'fix' this problem while working on other stuff. 02:44 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 02:54 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-066-189.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 03:01 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-065-185.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:18 < cchamilt> oh wait smp 03:18 < cchamilt> what does your /usr/lib/libshadow.la say for dependency_libs ? 03:19 < SMP> my system is too old, I have libshadow.la still in /lib 03:20 < cchamilt> dependency_libs=' -lcrypt /usr/lib/libmisc.la -lcrack' 03:20 < cchamilt> excuse me that is the fix 03:20 < SMP> looks reasonable 03:21 < cchamilt> dependency_libs=' -lcrypt /lib/libmisc.la -lcrack' 03:21 < cchamilt> is what was there 03:21 < cchamilt> libdir='/usr/lib' 03:22 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 03:22 < SMP> cchamilt: rev 1582: rene | 2003-10-02 00:38:58 +0200 (Thu, 02 Oct 2003) | 6 lines 03:22 < SMP> reverted (hopefully all) lib/*.{a.la} - > usr/lib/ changes and replaced 03:22 < cchamilt> We need global sed's to fix this. 03:22 < SMP> the code with a post-flist solution which works more package independet 03:22 < SMP> and allows the adaption of the .la files 03:23 < SMP> ahhha 03:23 < cchamilt> sed "s,^libdir='\(.*\)',libdir='/usr\1'," \ 03:23 < cchamilt> $root/$fn > $root/usr/$fn 03:23 < cchamilt> is not enough. 03:23 < SMP> right 03:24 < cchamilt> god, i hope a change like this isnt dangerous. Do we actually understand .la enough to be so broad? 03:25 < SMP> this whole moving around and sed-fixing things is so utterly broken :-((( 03:25 < cchamilt> 'not well thought out' would be the nicest best undestatement. 03:27 < cchamilt> Lets see, send a patch with a more complex sed. Or a patch yanking this shit out.... 03:28 < SMP> just complain your cause on the list please 03:28 < cchamilt> this is dumb dumb dumb and shameful. If ROCK has EVER been stable I would be thoruougly be pissed at this. 03:28 < cchamilt> but you are a captive audience. 03:31 < cchamilt> sed "s,[^usr]/lib/\(.*\),/usr/lib/\1," \ 03:31 < cchamilt> $root/$fn > $root/usr/$fn 03:31 < cchamilt> ? 03:32 < cchamilt> would /opt/'s get in there though. 03:32 < SMP> uhh-uh, no 03:32 < cchamilt> nothing in /usr would statically link to say /opt/mysql? 03:33 < SMP> would be wrong to assume 03:34 < cchamilt> is [^\w} correct enough? 03:34 * cchamilt getting sed book 03:36 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 03:36 < SMP> no, you want to catch two cases: ' /lib/' => ' /usr/lib/' and '=/lib/' => '=/usr/lib/' 03:36 < cchamilt> "s,([^{:alnum:]])/lib/\(.*\),\1/usr/lib/\1," 03:37 < SMP> so I'd use [=\w] 03:37 < cchamilt> "s,([^=|{:alnum:]])/lib/\(.*\),\1/usr/lib/\1," 03:37 < cchamilt> "s,([^=[[:alnum:]])/lib/\(.*\),\1/usr/lib/\1," 03:37 < SMP> no 03:37 < SMP> you do want the = case 03:38 < SMP> so ^= is wrong 03:38 < cchamilt> so "s,([^[:alnum:]])/lib/\(.*\),\1/usr/lib/\1," is exclusive 03:39 < cchamilt> ie no words/letters/numbers before /lib 03:39 < SMP> I still think it would be better to use [=\w] 03:39 < cchamilt> that way = ' " etc. work 03:41 < cchamilt> but that is equals and word containing characters (and not a sed define I think) 03:42 < cchamilt> basically [^{:alnum:]] assumes spaces and puncuation is OK, but 0-9A-Za-z means that the /lib is a subdirectory 03:43 < cchamilt> so we skip subdirectory /lib 03:46 < cchamilt> I will go with "s,([^[:alnum:]])/lib/\(.*\),\1/usr/lib/\2,g" if you agree. 03:47 < cchamilt> of course with more \ 's 03:47 < SMP> looks reasonable 03:47 < cchamilt> it is more important to bitch about it than fix it i think. 03:47 < SMP> definitely! ;-> 04:15 < cchamilt> The mail is on the way.... 04:25 -!- cytrinox`- [~cytrinox@p213.54.253.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.203.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 04:58 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2iver8s.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 05:09 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 05:22 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 05:26 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 05:37 -!- [anders] [anders@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 05:56 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 06:04 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 07:03 -!- Baldzius [~user@212.122.72.33] has joined #rocklinux 07:03 < Baldzius> morning 07:03 -!- daddel9__ [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:05 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 07:12 -!- Nebukadneza2 [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-020.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 07:22 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 07:35 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 07:48 -!- micropal1 [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 07:53 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 07:55 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091995.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:06 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 08:18 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has joined #rocklinux 08:18 < scythe_> hiû 08:18 < scythe_> i mean hi 08:19 < SMP> hi scythe 08:22 < scythe_> aru u using "find" as flist method when doing a build? Because i have problems with shared files at step 2 nearly always... 08:24 < SMP> I don't think anyone has used that method since flist wrapper was introduced about three years ago. it is not well tested anymore 08:24 < scythe_> i see. but flwrepper is buggy on s390 / probably because of an old libc 08:25 < SMP> and strace-based is too slow? 08:25 < scythe_> correct 08:26 < scythe_> btw: the bug with the ls was because of flwrapper, if i just added flwrapper to LD_PRECONFIG and issued an ls it produced the same in a single shell 08:27 < SMP> gah 08:28 < scythe_> suggestions? change libc on the build sys? 08:29 < SMP> can you try debugging into the flist wrapper lib? 08:31 < scythe_> i can, and i have already did an strace... ls does a sigsuspend, and never wakes up... 08:33 < SMP> well, does that happen in the fl_wrapper.so or the libc function called from there? and in which and at what source code line (for the flist wrapper case) 08:33 < SMP> which function, I mean 08:34 < scythe_> will find out, but at first i will recompile libc (who knows, maybe it is really a libc bug :-))) 08:35 < SMP> if ls does not work, does LD_PRELOAD=fl_wrapper.so sh -c 'echo /*' ? 08:35 -!- nookie [~nookie@M355P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:40 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M355P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 08:48 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091995.adsl.terralink.de] has quit Remote closed the connection 08:53 < scythe_> (SMP: im doing it with a new svn, this may take a while) 09:38 -!- scythe_ [firewall-u@cerberus.dunaferr.hu] has left #rocklinux ["going down for reboot"] 10:02 < rxr> re 10:07 -!- nookie [~nookie@M355P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 10:08 -!- nookie [~nookie@M350P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 10:22 -!- Baldzius [~user@212.122.72.33] has quit 10:26 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2iver8s.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 10:36 < netrunner> moin 10:39 < rxr> moin netrunner 10:39 < rxr> and cu ... 10:40 < netrunner> cu :) 10:44 -!- micropal1 [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 10:58 < blindcoder> moin 11:00 < netrunner> hi blindcoder 11:00 * netrunner forgot again to boot his build server before leaving from home 11:01 < netrunner> now subversion fix has to wait. 11:02 < netrunner> rxr: maybe you read this: pls upgrade neon to 0.24.4 (iirc), it builds fine and enables subversion to build it's webdav support which otherwise get's disabled without throwing an error. 11:15 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 11:39 < daja77> moin 11:39 < daja77> O_o 11:41 < rxr> re 11:41 < rxr> netrunner: oh! - Thanks 11:41 < rxr> moin daja77 11:41 < netrunner> hi daja77 11:43 < daja77> moin rxr & netrunner 11:43 < blindcoder> moin moin daja77 11:43 < esden> good morning everyone 11:43 < esden> or better good day ... or so 11:43 < esden> fscking debian servers ... >_< 11:44 < esden> I want rock on my laptop! *weep* 11:44 < daja77> hi esden +grin* 11:44 < esden> when I have rock I at least know who to kick if something is not working 11:45 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FD73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:45 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F13D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 11:45 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 11:45 < netrunner> esden: I am (again) working on our report for rnp. when do you think you can contribute something? 11:45 < blindcoder> GNARF 11:45 < blindcoder> esden? esden is here? WEEEE 11:46 * blindcoder hugs esden 11:46 < rxr> netrunner: done 11:47 < esden> netrunner: yes I will contribute! 11:47 < daja77> maybe it is just a fading copy of esden which is here ... 11:47 < esden> but first I have to resolve some biological problems ... 11:48 < esden> daja77: yes only a bot 11:48 < daja77> like eating? 11:48 < esden> daja77: good guess ... and some other things 11:48 < esden> ok ... I am off ... cu guys 11:48 < daja77> cu esden 11:49 < esden> ahh netrunner you know that you have a meeting at 12:00? 11:51 < netrunner> esden: you are outdated. it will (eventually) take place at 1230 11:51 < netrunner> esden: I have a deal for you: I do the ip report, and you and the other guy do the other 2 reports 11:51 * daja77 trying to update esden 11:52 < netrunner> daja77: hopeless ;) 11:52 * netrunner uploads esden some pr0n ;) 11:54 < daja77> hmm using esden as pr0n streaming server ... 11:56 < blindcoder> biological problems... that's one way to say it 11:57 < daja77> how would you name it 11:57 < blindcoder> well... let's put it this way: 11:58 < blindcoder> I spent the night at ~esden, and if he doesn't get rid of his "biological problems" they will just develop feet and walk away 11:59 < daja77> lol 12:01 < netrunner> hm ... esden solving bio probs together with blindcoder? 12:01 < netrunner> what about that blonde girl from austria? ;) 12:02 < blindcoder> she's from Berlin IIRC and long forgotten 12:02 < netrunner> fightened him so bad that esden now has a crush on blindcoder? *g* 12:02 * blindcoder blushes 12:03 < netrunner> hm ... https://www.fcg-hanau.de/Mit_Gott_erlebt/Silke_Singrin/silke_singrin.html 12:03 < netrunner> blindcoder: aha, a sign of truth! 12:04 * daja77 will call his biological problem in half an hour or so i guess 12:05 < daja77> rotfl @ netrunner 12:05 < blindcoder> netrunner: it.. it... it was just your imagination! 12:05 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Remote closed the connection 12:05 < blindcoder> netrunner: really! there is nothing between esden and me! 12:05 < netrunner> blindcoder: says you. 12:05 < blindcoder> I love only you! 12:06 < blindcoder> Please! Believe me! 12:06 * netrunner freezes 12:06 < daja77> hehe the camera hasn't been rescued from pain while photographing her 12:06 < netrunner> daja77: ;) 12:08 < blindcoder> I wonder how netti found that page... 12:08 < daja77> he wants to be rescued too 12:08 < blindcoder> OTOH, I don't want to know 12:13 < netrunner> blindcoder: was postet on $otherchannel 12:13 < daja77> that's what they all say 12:14 * clifford is looking for people in munich... 12:16 * blindcoder is currently in munich 12:16 * esden too 12:16 * netrunner is north of munich (gar) 12:16 < netrunner> clifford: can you see that far? ;) 12:17 < clifford> I'll help Jochen Schweizer (bungee jumping agency) to relocate their office in munich from 12. december to 14. december and need a place to stay.. 12:17 < clifford> netrunner: the world isn't flat - think about it. *g* 12:17 * blindcoder recommends ~esden, but only with bio-protection-suit :) 12:18 < esden> blindcoder: >_< 12:18 < daja77> maybe the problems can ber resolved ^^ 12:18 < clifford> daja77: napalm? 12:18 < blindcoder> yes, if they start walking away :) 12:18 < esden> THEY CAN AND WILL BE IN THE NEXT 24H! 12:18 < blindcoder> esden: good boy 12:18 < esden> blindcoder: DIE! 12:18 * blindcoder pats esden 12:19 * blindcoder dies 12:19 < esden> GRR 12:19 * daja77 points and laughs at esden 12:19 < clifford> HA-HA ! ;-) 12:19 < esden> clifford: I think netrunner has more living space then /me ... but you can stay at my place if you want ... 12:20 < esden> but it will be bit sqiezy 12:20 < esden> squeezy 12:20 < daja77> but esden seems to like bein visited by man ... 12:21 * blindcoder whistles innocently 12:21 < esden> argl! 12:22 < netrunner> esden: have you ever visited me? 12:22 < netrunner> clifford: guess it's ok with me, but have to check with my gf. 12:22 < esden> netrunner: nope ... but I suppose that you have better living conditions ;) 12:22 < clifford> netrunner: ok. would be great. 12:22 < netrunner> esden: only because I have some female touch that cares about the order of things ;) 12:22 < esden> netrunner: it is not very difficult to have better living conditions than me ;) 12:23 < esden> *sigh* ... 12:23 < esden> this channel is mean to me *weep* 12:23 < daja77> i knew that netrunner has a female touch when i first saw him 12:23 < netrunner> esden: true 12:23 * netrunner purrs at daja77 12:24 < daja77> esden: if you show up more often we wouldn't be that mean ^^ 12:24 < esden> yes ... I know 12:25 < netrunner> daja77: he is to busy solving his biological problems ... 12:25 < netrunner> esden: need some more hankies? ;) 12:26 * daja77 wondering about the solution 12:26 < blindcoder> oh, a bathtub filled with sulfur- or sulfuric acid should suffice to (dis)solve any biological problem :) 12:26 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 12:26 < netrunner> daja77: she's called michaela schaffrath 12:26 < daja77> and? 12:26 < netrunner> daja77: you obviously do not know her 12:27 < clifford> ok - so maybe we make a ROCK Linux event at that weekend? 12:27 < esden> ok ... I go smoking a really thick cigarette 12:27 < blindcoder> clifford: sounds nice. We should find ourselves a nice pub for it :) 12:28 < clifford> yup. ;-) 12:28 < daja77> netrunner: nope and btw i was not interested in such details ;-) 12:28 < blindcoder> okay, /me now having lunch and taking a break from Red Crap Kickstart >_< 12:29 < netrunner> clifford: I have some space, but need to make that clear with the other people in the house. 12:29 * netrunner will inform the rlml tomorrow about the state 12:29 < daja77> netrunner is evil 12:29 < daja77> good that you know nothing of my relations 12:30 < netrunner> daja77: ah, you googled? ;) 12:31 < daja77> ;) 12:31 < vegai> hehe, don't remove coreutils 12:31 < vegai> healthy tip for friday =) 12:32 < daja77> hi vegai 12:32 < vegai> howdy 12:32 < vegai> could I build Rock from the CD1 alone 12:33 < vegai> or should I perhaps install Slackware or something as an intermediate system 12:34 < daja77> atm you need all cds for rock (ingnore netrunner atm) 12:34 < vegai> then the slackware way would be wiser at this point, I guess 12:34 < daja77> can't tell haven't used slack for building rock 12:35 < vegai> my current system has crippled (or non-existent at the moment ;) coreutils 12:35 < daja77> ;-) 12:35 < daja77> think we should provide minimal isos again 12:35 < vegai> that'd be nice 12:36 < vegai> or bootstrapped build packets (with the dev-tools inside as binaries) 12:36 < daja77> but i guess i will not build one for rc2 12:36 * daja77 off for breakfast now 12:37 * clifford is off for lunch. 12:38 < vegai> is keeping an installed rock distro up-to-date as easy as with the other distros? 12:51 -!- manchot [~manchot@218.85.102.219] has joined #rocklinux 12:54 < netrunner> vegai: as long as you build updated packages yourself, you can run scripts/Update-System or sth like that. 12:54 -!- daddel9__ is now known as Nebukadneza 12:56 < blindcoder> re 13:06 < netrunner> deer 13:06 < vegai> okay.. 13:08 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 13:10 -!- manchot [~manchot@218.85.102.219] has left #rocklinux ["zai jian !"] 13:21 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 13:24 * netrunner hates people who always take the seats on the outer ends of a row in lecture halls. 13:26 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD900572C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:34 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 13:34 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:45 < daja77> hehe 13:46 < daja77> <- man of the first row 13:57 * netrunner throws paperballs to daja77 14:00 < clifford> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-21.11.03-001/ 14:00 * daja77 points the professor to netrunner 14:02 < daja77> btw will we support this https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/adb-19.11.03-000/ 14:02 < daja77> was debian.org running on woody? 14:02 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 14:02 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:02 * netrunner considers himself and his battery pack hungry and leaves daja77 allone with the prof. 14:02 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit Client Quit 14:03 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 * daja77 has a female prof ^^ 14:03 < daja77> https://luonnotar.infodrom.org/~joey/debian-announce.txt 14:04 * netrunner wonders why daja77's prof uses the male bathroom 14:05 < daja77> the switched the labels ^^ 14:05 < daja77> they 14:05 < daja77> args these idiots https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-21.11.03-004/ 14:10 -!- nookie [~nookie@M350P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit "Lost terminal" 14:38 < cytrinox`-> moin 14:48 < blindcoder> moin moin 14:49 < blindcoder> daja77: just the usual problems 14:49 < daja77> sucks anyway, stallman is such a concrete head 14:50 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 14:52 < blindcoder> well, if you developed a license and I say it stinks you'd also be pissed 14:54 < daja77> this is no reason to withdraw that guy from the kernel project cos there was no technical reason to do it 14:54 < clifford> but (1) GFDL really sucks and (2) it has nothing todo with maintaining the hurd kernel. 14:55 < daja77> yep it is stupid to mix that up 14:55 * daja77 wondering of the fiasko kernel will beat out the hurd project 14:56 < clifford> btw, GFDL doks have been "banned" from linux kernel sources because GFSL is just stupid crap. 14:56 -!- micropal1 [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 14:57 < daja77> maybe stallman should consider that the best license is useless if nobody wants it and start rethinking 14:57 < clifford> daja77: well - fiasco has a 1.1 release... 14:58 < daja77> *ggg* 14:58 < daja77> after 2 years of development afaik 14:58 < clifford> but fiasco is - afaik - a microkernel and hurd is a server arch running on a microkernel. 14:59 < daja77> i have not yet had a closer look at fiasco 14:59 < daja77> i only know that the local os people have connection to the developers ^^ 15:01 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 15:01 < blindcoder> honestly, I haven't understood the GFDL completely yet 15:07 * daja77 offers some cookies to the chan 15:10 * blindcoder eats them all 15:10 < daja77> ;-) 15:11 < blindcoder> *burps* 15:11 < blindcoder> half an hour before I can go home >_< 15:11 * daja77 is still at home ^^ 15:11 < blindcoder> you have to go to work today? 15:12 < daja77> no 15:13 < blindcoder> grr 15:13 < blindcoder> lazy bum 15:13 * daja77 trying to get the empty page aka my studienarbeit filled with text 15:13 < daja77> pages 15:14 < blindcoder> strings /dev/mem | lpr 15:14 < daja77> ^^ 15:14 < blindcoder> somewhere in the output you'll also find your login password :) 15:15 < daja77> :) 15:16 < blindcoder> actually, that's quite sad >_< 15:16 < daja77> hmm the content is quite interesting on machine with an uptime of 100 days 15:17 < blindcoder> not here, my RAM is constantly used up and swap is active with about 25% 15:17 * daja77 has 1GB RAM 15:17 < blindcoder> half a GB 15:18 < blindcoder> so around 700-800 MB are constantly used 15:18 < daja77> what the hell are you doin with ot 15:18 < daja77> it 15:18 < blindcoder> mldonkey :) 15:18 < daja77> hehe 15:18 < blindcoder> I'm currently thinking about upgrading to 1GB or 2GB 15:19 < blindcoder> with 2GB I could compile LVP in a RAM disk :) 15:19 < daja77> blindcoder: btw i thought that we might remove some packages in build root of lvp before creating the cdrom, that might safe some space 15:19 < daja77> ^^ 15:19 < daja77> remove them with mine that is 15:19 < blindcoder> daja77: I also had that idea. like the bootdisk target does 15:20 < blindcoder> that way the build directory wouldn't become unusable after Build-Target is done 15:20 -!- micropal_ [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 15:20 < blindcoder> the bootdisk target just creates a new directory and installs the gems there 15:20 < blindcoder> the tar.bz2 actually 15:20 < daja77> but we have no gems in lvp 15:21 < daja77> ok 15:21 < daja77> do we have tar.bz2? 15:21 < blindcoder> no, but that's just changing a variable from 0 to 1 15:21 < daja77> ic 15:22 < daja77> that's sth i will do for multimedia target 15:22 < blindcoder> it makes sense in any case 15:22 < blindcoder> But for this weekend I wanted to fix the thing with the 2GB file size limitation 15:22 < blindcoder> Well, actually I _have_ to do it since the space on my anime hard disk is running short :/ 15:23 < daja77> btw https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/mapmaker.tar.bz2, a program i wrote at work some time ago, maybe you can understand the xml parsing stuff by reading it, note it won't compile, so don't worry 15:24 < blindcoder> quite some size that tarball :) 15:24 < daja77> you would need our shmlib and other crap to get it running, but that's not important i think 15:24 < blindcoder> I'll have a look at it today or tomorrow 15:25 < daja77> could be that .o got included i was a bit in a hurry yesterday 15:25 < blindcoder> I see 15:25 < blindcoder> I already have an idea regarding those 2GB limit 15:25 < daja77> src is not that big 15:25 < daja77> if you downloaded it i'd like to remove it again ... 15:26 < daja77> s/if/when 15:26 < blindcoder> 15:25:23 (6.49 KB/s) - `mapmaker.tar.bz2' saved [651181/651181] 15:26 < daja77> done thx 15:27 < blindcoder> I have to say thanks :) 15:27 < daja77> np ;-) 15:30 < blindcoder> looks like I should give up that encryption thing on my harddisks >_< 15:30 < blindcoder> dd'ing 1GB onto /tmp takes two minutes while doing the same onto my encrypted /home takes about 6-15 minutes 15:37 -!- pieass [~se@dialin-145-254-177-124.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:38 < blindcoder> anyway, I'm going home 15:38 < blindcoder> baba 15:42 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 15:43 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:46 -!- micropal1 [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 16:03 -!- cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 16:05 < rxr> re 16:06 < daja77> hi rxr 16:07 < rxr> hi da 16:07 < rxr> ja 16:08 < daja77> THOU SHALL NOT SPLIT UP MY NAME ;-) 16:08 < pieass> debian.org was cracked, or something.. 16:08 < daja77> yep 16:08 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 16:09 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 < rxr> daja77: sorry 16:09 < daja77> *ggg* 16:10 * daja77 likes to speak in captital letters ^^ 16:53 -!- micropal [ident@181.80-202-66.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:09 < esden> daja77: do you know anything more specific about the debian story? 17:10 < esden> ahh ok ... slashdot reports 17:10 < daja77> nope /me isn't involved with debian stuff at all ^^ 17:11 < daja77> https://luonnotar.infodrom.org/~joey/debian-announce.txt 17:11 < daja77> https://luonnotar.infodrom.org/~joey/debian-announce.txt 17:11 < daja77> damn, just know this one 17:11 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76A75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:12 < esden> daja77: yes I just read that 17:13 < esden> that sux ... and it will take some days till they are back online >_< 17:13 < daja77> rxr: i just figured out that handling pictures in latex and pdflatex environments are easier to handle now 17:14 < esden> and I need to install mysql ... and unfortunately this packet is on security.debian.org ... what means that I can not install it ... I WANT ROCK BACK *weep* 17:14 < daja77> back? 17:14 < esden> yes 17:15 < daja77> why you killed it 17:15 < esden> because I had to ... 17:15 < daja77> strange 17:16 < esden> I have a laptop and I had to create an installation for the chair I work for ... and it had to be debian because the guys only know that and do not want to learn something new 17:17 < daja77> ah nice, that's what i really like, that's why the university sticks to fedora *shudder* 17:17 < esden> and I have no possibility to create a backup of it cuz we are missing a machine for that ... so I could install rock here 17:19 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 17:27 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit "I like core dumps" 17:36 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivel9s.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:43 < netrunner> re 17:52 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 17:59 -!- Calvany [~calvany@208.165.55.133] has joined #rocklinux 18:00 < Calvany> hi 18:00 < daja77> hi Calvany 18:01 < Calvany> what's current source snapshot ? 18:02 < daja77> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/rock-src-2.0.0-rc2.tar.bz2 18:03 < Calvany> thanks 18:03 -!- Calvany is now known as Demian 18:04 < Demian> cya later guys.. 18:04 -!- Demian [~calvany@208.165.55.133] has left #rocklinux [] 18:07 -!- pieass [~se@dialin-145-254-177-124.arcor-ip.net] has quit "leaving" 18:32 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:38 < netrunner> https://www.in-berlin.de/support/adsl.html 18:45 < rxr> with a tiny not-yet-official to-be-done-clean fix this is the current reference state: 18:45 < rxr> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg reference 18:45 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.0.0-rc4-x86-pentium-mmx-32-reference-expert: 18:45 < rxr> [5] 3 base/sendmail [5] 0 rene/ffmpeg 18:45 < rxr> [5] 0 gnome24/seahorse [5] 0 gnome24/abiword 18:45 < rxr> [5] 0 alessandro/webmin 18:45 < rxr> 2070 builds total, 691 completed fine, 5 with errors. 18:50 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 18:52 < netrunner> https://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ 18:53 < netrunner> rxr: thanks a lot 19:05 < netrunner> rxr: is the dep_db in svn? 19:25 < rxr> ah - no, the reference is far from beeing finished 19:26 < rxr> this is just a mid-report 19:26 < rxr> over 1000 package builds are left - look on the numbers ... 19:29 < netrunner> oh I see 19:30 < daja77> 2070 builds total, wow 19:30 < daja77> were only 992 for rc2 ... 19:31 < netrunner> daja77: could it be that you're mixing packet no vs. build no 19:31 < netrunner> ? 19:31 < daja77> no 19:31 < daja77> i had 992 builds total 19:32 * daja77 will work on rock on sunday, maybe adding packages ^^ 19:35 < rxr> daja77: erhm - this is with a rebuild ... 19:35 < rxr> so /2 ... 19:36 < rxr> this build count is mostly package count * 2 + pre stage5 builds ... 19:36 < rxr> # l package/*/*/*.desc | wc -l 19:36 < rxr> 1049 19:39 < daja77> ah ok that fits better 20:04 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M352P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080221B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 20:21 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [] [Tue Sep 2 15:34:51 2003] 20:21 [Users #rocklinux] 20:21 [ _spectre_ ] [ cchamilt] [ esden ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl|KKH] [ th ] 20:21 [ A-Tui ] [ clifford] [ hannes ] [ netrunne1] [ rolla ] [ trekkie3k] 20:21 [ Aard ] [ cytrinox] [ kasc ] [ netrunner] [ rxr ] [ true ] 20:21 [ aszlig ] [ daja77 ] [ micropal] [ nookie ] [ SMP ] [ vegai ] 20:21 [ blindcoder] [ elon ] [ mistik1 ] [ OffToWar ] [ snyke ] 20:21 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 20:21 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 20:21 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 20:22 -!- Keepnick: Couldn't determine chatnet (now ) 20:34 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 20:37 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:39 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAD6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 < tcr> moin all 20:42 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit "Client exiting" 20:54 -!- nookie [~n00kie@M352P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit "Lost terminal" 21:13 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivel9s.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 21:50 < mnemoc> help!!! how do i override a function using c++? 21:51 < tcr> what do you mean? 21:52 < mnemoc> i have a Base class with a Foo() function 21:53 < mnemoc> then i have a Child :: Base class that redefines Foo() 21:53 < mnemoc> and at the main there is a function that *believes* it has lot of Base instances 21:54 < mnemoc> but when calling Foo it should call the Foo of the Child instead of the Foo of the Base 21:54 < mnemoc> HELP! :( 21:57 < tcr> What do you mean with that it believes it has instances of Base? 21:57 < mnemoc> void Crappy( Base *thing ) { 21:57 < mnemoc> thing->Foo(); 21:57 < mnemoc> } 21:57 < tcr> I should maybe say that I have no practical expierence with c++, but with oop in general 21:57 < th> type cast? 21:58 < mnemoc> but cast to what? 21:58 < th> childclass? 21:58 < th> i did not read the whole storry 21:58 < mnemoc> (Child1) thing or (Child2) thing or .... 21:58 < mnemoc> there are n different ChildClasses 21:59 < mnemoc> all of them 'sons' of Base 21:59 < th> i see 21:59 < mnemoc> ideas? 21:59 < tcr> Well if casting is the right key word, you must cast on caller level 21:59 < th> store the class in the instance 22:00 < th> tcr: this wont help 22:00 < th> cause the paraneter declaration is like a cast itself 22:00 < tcr> th: ? 22:00 < tcr> what do you mean by this? 22:01 < mnemoc> void Crappy( Base *thing ) { 22:01 < th> you want to cast on caller level like foo->crap((CASTHERE)bar) ? 22:01 < mnemoc> ((Child *) thing)->Foo(); 22:01 < mnemoc> } 22:01 < tcr> (I'm not surprised that I wasn't right, as I'm thinking in C, nevertheless I'm interested in the reason why I'm wrong) 22:01 < tcr> th, aye 22:02 < th> tcr: so... the CASTHERE cast is a noop, if i understand casting right 22:02 < th> tcr: cause if the parameter is declared as "Base*" it's just a Base again inside callee 22:03 < tcr> th, c++ is casting automatically?! 22:03 < tcr> wrong tense, s/is casting/casts/ 22:04 < th> tcr: casting is just a way to say which declaration applies to some memory 22:04 < th> tcr: but the argument you pass is still just that memory 22:04 < mnemoc> th: do you know how can i get the 'ClassName' to do a switch & cast? 22:05 < th> mnemoc: perhaps the obvious way is the easiest... 22:05 < th> mnemoc: store the class in the instance on construction-time 22:05 < th> mnemoc: and switch over that to decide how to cast 22:06 < th> you could do that in Child1 constructor 22:06 < mnemoc> THANKS!! :) great idea 22:06 < mnemoc> child1() : base("CHILD1") 22:06 < mnemoc> ;) 22:06 < th> self->classType = CLASS_CHILD1; 22:07 < th> you can even use specific constructors 22:07 < th> for each of the child classes 22:08 < th> and set that classType member within each constructor 22:09 < mnemoc> i'm coding that right now 22:11 < th> does bind-named cache records for delegated zones it is not authoritve for? 22:21 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:29 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@eperm.net] has quit "leaving" 22:45 < mnemoc> the only authoritative server are the ones designed as NS in the zone itself 22:45 < th> i knew that. 22:47 * A-Tui is away: cenando... 22:52 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAD6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit "Leaving" 23:14 -!- manchine [~manchine@213.60.92.206] has joined #rocklinux 23:22 -!- manchine [~manchine@213.60.92.206] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Sam Nov 22 00:00:07 2003