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--- Log opened Fre Nov 28 00:00:01 2003 --- Day changed Fre Nov 28 2003 00:00 < puzzled> how does the powerbook's 1.33GHz G4 cpu compare to an Intel or AMD? 00:01 < cytrinox> gn8 00:01 < rxr> most integer benchmarks run on a 900 Mhz iBook run bit faster then on a 1.1Ghz desktop AMD system 00:02 < puzzled> ok 00:02 < rxr> however we encoutnered some floating point scaling problems 00:02 < rxr> but this might be due to the not optimizable nature of the one bench a friend run 00:03 < rxr> I did only verified some benchs - I just heared many results from the friend working at: 00:03 < rxr> https://www.hu-berlin.de/indexe.html 00:03 < rxr> doing some protein matchin stuff recently ... 00:03 < mnemoc> re 00:04 < rxr> hi mnemoc 00:04 < mnemoc> hi rxr 00:04 < rxr> I need to go to bed ... 00:04 < rxr> too bad - just when mnemoc arrives 00:04 < mnemoc> :'( 00:04 < rxr> yes :-( 00:05 < rxr> I think I'll be arround today's afternoon and night 00:05 < rxr> cu then 00:05 < mnemoc> cu 00:05 < puzzled> nite rxr 00:06 < rxr> wow: www.rocklinux-consulting.de: 00:06 < rxr> 8651 00:06 < rxr> 9985 00:06 < rxr> 37993 00:06 < rxr> 54794 00:06 < rxr> 1.94 GB 00:06 < rxr> Unique visitors 00:06 < rxr> Number of visits 00:06 < rxr> Pages 00:06 < rxr> Hits 00:06 < rxr> Bandwidth 00:06 < rxr> hm - damn drag 'n drop X stuff ... 00:07 < rxr> shoudl have beed (this months); 00:07 < rxr> 5438 00:07 < rxr> 6211 00:07 < rxr> 18368 00:07 < rxr> 24932 00:07 < rxr> 1008.79 MB 00:07 < rxr> so - sorry for that much noise ... 00:07 < rxr> cu 00:10 < mnemoc> cu 00:27 -!- tsa [tsa@p5082B97A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:27 < tsa> hi. 00:29 < mnemoc> hi tds 00:36 -!- nookie [~nookie@M382P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:50 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 00:51 < MadTux> re 00:54 < mnemoc> wb TuxGrille 00:55 < MadTux> Hola Alejandro. Espero que estes muy bien. 01:02 < mnemoc> la salud familiar esta bien, asi que todo lo importante esta bien ;) 01:02 < mnemoc> y ud? 01:33 < zum> good morning #rocklinux 01:33 * zum just installed ROCK 01:37 < mnemoc> impresed? =) 01:40 < zum> well, I'm positively taken from the fact it boots now :) 01:42 < zum> the ISO images didn't come with net-tools, though, which was kind of surprising... 01:43 < mnemoc> generic includes net-tools, don´ know about drock 01:44 < MadTux> mnemoc: bueno no tan bien, algo deprimido, pero bueno la familia bien asi que lo demas es secundario 01:45 < mnemoc> depresion por negocios o por 'corazon'? 01:46 < zum> I suppose that all come with it since it includes ifconfig, route and other useful tools -- anyway it may be that I broke some of the CD's while burning them since there were a couple of packages that failed to install 01:46 < mnemoc> zum: you can rebuild any package using Emerge-Pkg tool 01:48 < MadTux> mnemoc: un acumulado de muchas cosas 01:48 < zum> yep, I just found that out 01:48 < mnemoc> MadTux: salud! 01:49 < MadTux> mnemoc: ah well. At least i am rocking 01:49 * mnemoc gives a vodka bottle to Mike1 01:50 < mnemoc> MadTux: you are not rocking until you send the fscking mail 01:51 < MadTux> mnemoc: can't you understand i'm too lazy to stop coding and write mails 01:51 < mnemoc> send a patch then :) 01:51 < MadTux> good idea :) 01:52 * MadTux takes the bottle of vodka, cheers! 01:52 * mnemoc gives vodka to zum too 01:52 < mnemoc> CHEERS! 01:52 < zum> Ahoy! :) 01:52 < MadTux> lets get this party started 01:53 < mnemoc> i dont know but i´ thinking of... 01:54 < MadTux> ... 01:54 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-064-130.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 01:54 * mnemoc is getting too 'pop' :( 01:56 < mnemoc> MadTux: where is the real music? play us something 02:02 * MadTux grabs his guitar and begins to play really load 02:02 * MadTux Rammstein - Engel 02:05 < MadTux> Ale ya aprendi a decir masturbacion en aleman, sabes como se dice? 02:07 < mnemoc> ensename :) 02:07 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-066-067.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:07 < MadTux> Frotten Verguen :) 02:07 < mnemoc> :o 02:08 < MadTux> :P 02:08 < mnemoc> no creo que nadie mas entienda el chiste :\ 02:09 < MadTux> pq crees que to dije en espanol? 02:09 < MadTux> :P 02:09 < mnemoc> lol 02:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: https://people.hack-solutions.com/mike/fun/cartaasanta.mp3 02:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: Feliz Navidad :) 02:09 * MadTux switch to english now 02:10 < mnemoc> export LANG=EN is geeker ;) 02:11 < MadTux> you are right.. God i think i have been away too long help!!! 02:12 < mnemoc> too much reallife is bad for health 02:12 < MadTux> mnemoc: download the joke and tell me what you think 02:13 < mnemoc> i don´ have 'audio' here :( 02:13 < MadTux> you suck! 02:13 < mnemoc> yes :( 02:14 < MadTux> its ok 02:14 * MadTux pets mnemoc 02:15 < mnemoc> burning it to cdrw to listen it on the dvd :) 02:16 < MadTux> hehe good boy :) trust me its fun 02:16 < MadTux> note: its in spanish, sorry guys 02:17 < mnemoc> rotfl 02:17 < MadTux> haha :) 02:18 < MadTux> i got a video for blindcoder.. perhaps will let him have it when he is around 02:25 < mnemoc> db-4.2.50 mmmm 02:28 < mistik1> who is the maintainer for QT in rocklinux? 02:28 < mnemoc> rene? 02:28 < mistik1> oko 02:29 < mistik1> I need to find out how you guys handle building it in your build system 02:29 < MadTux> mistik1: see the rock trunk.. 02:29 < mnemoc> did you read the handbook? what didn´ you understood? 02:29 * MadTux away on a meeting 02:31 < mistik1> dont get me wrong guys at the moment i'm only after the one app 02:34 < mnemoc> you have to undestand the 'building framework' first, after that everything is clear 02:36 < mistik1> ok 02:38 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091cfa.adsl.terralink.de] has quit Remote closed the connection 02:57 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit "I like core dumps" 03:21 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit "Changing server" 03:42 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has quit "Client Exiting" 03:50 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 04:13 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit "leaving" 04:14 -!- nookie [~nookie@M382P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:14 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 04:18 -!- nookie [~nookie@M312P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 04:22 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 04:22 < MadTux> re 04:35 < mnemoc> mi 04:41 < mnemoc> MadTux: you can send a patch to create the NEW bdb4.2 ;) that patch can revive the list 04:46 < MadTux> ok 04:46 < mnemoc> :( 04:47 < MadTux> i said i will. 04:47 < MadTux> for now i am on a meeting 04:47 * mnemoc gives a bottle of pisco to MadTux 04:47 < mnemoc> online meeting? 04:47 -!- cytrinox` [~cytrinox@p213.54.247.54.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:47 < MadTux> norl 04:47 < MadTux> no rl 04:48 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.220.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:48 < mnemoc> o_O 04:48 -!- tsa [tsa@p5082B97A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit "*plopp*" 04:48 < MadTux> real life 04:49 < mnemoc> and wtf are you doing here? 04:50 < MadTux> hekps me to not fall asleep 05:00 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F2CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:00 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p5080198B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 05:00 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 05:11 < mnemoc> good night dirty boys 06:07 < owl> moin 06:52 < nookie> moin 06:56 < netrunner> moin 07:04 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-191.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:07 < owl> hi nookie , netrunner , Nebukadneza` 07:15 -!- jani_ [~jani@ppp115-242.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:20 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-060.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 07:20 -!- HolyGNU [~HolyGNU@dsl-213-023-052-060.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 07:25 < jani_> hi all. i'm considering installing rocklinux on a compaq laptop, and was wondering if there were any known issues. My laptop has slightly quirky hardware. 07:26 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a4f.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:34 -!- sten [~sten@d142-173-117-37.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:34 < owl> hi jani_ 07:36 < sten> ack, I keep <ctrl>+<enter> 07:37 < sten> How "linux-2.6" ready is/will Rock 2.0 be? 07:39 < sten> I've had some interesting linux-2.61-test10 problems while testing on a Slackware system 07:42 -!- jani_ [~jani@ppp115-242.lns1.syd3.internode.on.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 07:48 < owl> sten: which problems with -test10? 08:07 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080246A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:07 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 08:07 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [] [Tue Sep 2 15:34:51 2003] 08:07 [Users #rocklinux] 08:07 [ [anders] ] [ clifford ] [ jani_ ] [ netrunne1] [ rxr ] [ vegai] 08:07 [ _spectre_ ] [ cytrinox`] [ kasc ] [ netrunner] [ scoopex] [ zum ] 08:07 [ Aard ] [ daja77 ] [ MadTux ] [ nookie ] [ SMP ] 08:07 [ aszlig ] [ esden ] [ mistik1 ] [ owl ] [ snyke ] 08:07 [ blindcoder] [ fake ] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti ] [ sten ] 08:07 [ cchamilt ] [ huebi ] [ Nebukadneza`] [ rolla ] [ th ] 08:07 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 32 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 32 normal] 08:07 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 08:07 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 08:08 < sten> blindcoder: that was for you. (dyslexic middle finger) 08:08 < jani_> um... i'm just trying to build rock2.0 rc2, and the downloading of the sources doesn't seem to work. The error message is along the lines of Found download/Mirror :none I've tried deleting download/Mirror (which was empty anyway) but no joy 08:08 < blindcoder> sten: oh, also... no idea with that sorry, using OSS 08:09 < blindcoder> jani_: deleting download/Mirror results in new autodetection of a mirror 08:09 < sten> blindcoder: I used to, but am getting reader for linux-2.6, and since it's default, I thought I'd try to see how well everything would integrate 08:09 < blindcoder> jani_: if you don't want to use a mirror do a `echo none >download/Mirror` 08:10 < jani_> yeah, i've done that 3 or 4 times, and it comes up the same every time. ah, i'll try that 08:10 < sten> ah, crap, it's getting late. I've got to meet someone 08:10 * sten is back 08:10 * sten is back 08:10 < blindcoder> sten: okay, bye 08:10 < blindcoder> jani_: that's not an error, just an information 08:11 < jani_> oh... i think i've found the problem, i was trying to build it on a gentoo box, and didn't have curl installed 08:12 < blindcoder> ah, there's the problem :) 08:12 < jani_> yeah :) silly me 08:12 < blindcoder> we should do a sanity check if curl is installed 08:13 < blindcoder> I'll code something up for this 08:13 < jani_> ok, now it's working, testing different mirrors 08:15 < blindcoder> :) 08:16 < jani_> i built rock once before, a few years ago, but that time i used the iso which booted into a build environment, but this time I thought I'd try it on my fastest computer 08:17 < blindcoder> well, there shouldn't be any major hassles on a gentoo box, though I never personally tried 08:18 < jani_> i'll let you know how I go. 08:18 < blindcoder> thanks :) 08:20 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508028A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 08:30 -!- You're now known as netrunner 08:42 < owl> hrmpf. sometimes my bf is _really_ lazy 08:54 < blindcoder> *yawn* 08:54 < mistik1> moin blindcoder 08:55 < mistik1> how things 08:55 < blindcoder> moin mistik1 08:55 < blindcoder> good so far, just not much to do at work right now 08:55 < mistik1> heh 08:55 < mistik1> and that's a bad thing? 08:56 < blindcoder> setting up a red hat kickstart server and being stuck with the boot disks >_< 08:56 < mistik1> by that you mean a server that you will install from or installing a new server via kickstart? 08:58 < blindcoder> a server Ill be installing from 08:59 < blindcoder> Well the machine is set up 08:59 < blindcoder> now I'm trying to install another machine from it 09:00 < blindcoder> The bad thing is: I have no access to the machine I shall install without being "escorted" by a co-worker here >_> 09:00 < netrunner> argl. stew calls install -m 644 images/straw.png `pkg-config libgnome-2.0 --variable=prefix || echo /usr/local`/share/pixmaps 09:00 < netrunner> and that doesnt work. why? 09:00 < blindcoder> and that certain someone isn't here right now, so I don't have much to do 09:01 < blindcoder> netrunner: guves me/opt/gnome2 here 09:01 < mistik1> blindcoder: what problems are you having? 09:02 < blindcoder> mistik1: that I never used red hat before :) 09:02 < mistik1> hehe 09:02 < blindcoder> mistik1: like I said, currently I'm waiting for access to the machine 09:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: yes, me too. but not if the script is called. he always puts stuff to /usr/local 09:02 < blindcoder> netrunner: so just patch it 09:03 < netrunner> blindcoder: the makefile? 09:03 < blindcoder> netrunner: I take it pkg-config deosn't fing the information for libgnome-2.0 09:03 < blindcoder> netrunner: there are certain ways to make pkg-config look in other directories, though I don't know them by heart 09:03 < MadTux> hi blindy 09:04 < blindcoder> hi MadTux 09:04 < owl> hi MadTux 09:04 < mistik1> blindcoder: If you like I can send you a copy of my last ks install I did 09:04 < MadTux> blindy do you like neon genesis evangelion? 09:04 < mistik1> the kickstart file anyway 09:04 < netrunner> blindcoder: it works if I go to the src.xxx dir and run debug.sh. 09:05 < mistik1> minux passwords and such 09:05 < MadTux> hi owly how do you feel today? 09:05 < blindcoder> mistik1: Thanks, I already have the corresponding ks.cfg files lying around. It' the PXE-Boot thing and all that that have kept me busy 09:05 < blindcoder> MadTux: sure :) 09:06 < MadTux> blindy got something 4 ya 09:06 < owl> MadTux: hmmm... so, so. thx. you? 09:06 * MadTux will upload in a moment 09:06 < blindcoder> MadTux: hm? 09:06 < MadTux> bc just a vids of it 09:06 < MadTux> owly good thanks 09:07 < blindcoder> MadTux:AMV? cool :) 09:07 < netrunner> PREFIX ?= `pkg-config libgnome-2.0 --variable=prefix || echo /usr/local` 09:07 < netrunner> what means the ? before = 09:08 < mistik1> blindcoder: cool 09:08 < blindcoder> hmm... looks like I'll be lonely on 20C3 - at least according to the event registration :) 09:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: no idea 09:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: looks like some sort of comparison 09:10 < blindcoder> netrunner: like C's ( x = 10 ? 1 : 0 ) 09:15 < mistik1> blindcoder: I think you'll find that kickstart kick ass bigtime 09:15 < blindcoder> mistik1: Well, if pxe works as intended, then if a machine fubar's I just select "Install from scratch", after that I start our rollout script and be done 09:16 < netrunner> blindcoder: no, the `..||..` stuff itself evaluates to one of them, so the ?= must be for sth else. 09:16 < mistik1> that file i was telling you about I used to install an ASP server a couple months ago, complete with RAID 09:16 < mistik1> I had the guy at the colo going nuts 09:17 < mistik1> btw this server is 2000 miles away so I could not afford a screwup 09:17 < mistik1> you planning to use PXE to load the install image? 09:19 < jani_> when the instructions say Build-Target will take multiple days, roughly what order of magnitude are we talking about for an athlon xp 3000+ and the desktop distribution? roughly the same as gentoo, ie about 2 days? 09:20 < blindcoder> mistik1: since all machines here have a working PXE-NIC, yes 09:20 < blindcoder> mistik1: for cases where that doesn't work, I plan on adding an additional grub-entry 09:20 < blindcoder> mistik1: if that also fails, I have install disks :) 09:21 < blindcoder> jani_: compiling generic on a P4 1.8GHz with 512 MB RAMBus it took me about 6 days including Rebuild Stage 09:21 < jani_> blindcoder ah, thanks... i guess i'll leave it over the weekend then :) 09:22 < blindcoder> jani_: what frequency is your Athlon operating at? 2.4GHz? 09:22 < jani_> cpu MHz : 2104.876 but bogomips : 4194.30 09:23 < blindcoder> so, 2GHz.. I guess it will take about 4 days if you include Rebuild Stage, a bit over 2 days if not 09:24 < mistik1> I just need some RAM and my rock build machine will be done 09:24 < mistik1> blindcoder: I am setting up a dual pIII 800 1gb as a build box 09:24 < mistik1> what do you estimate on that 09:24 < netrunner> mistik1: I hardly recommend using tempfs. with 1g you can use 800MB tempfs for building. 09:25 < mistik1> hardly or highly? 09:25 < blindcoder> mistik1: hmm... 800 MHz... with rebuild... just under 2 weeks 09:25 < blindcoder> mistik1: personally, I'm not convinced of the "Cluster Build" Feature of ROCK 09:25 < netrunner> mistik1: choose one ;) 09:26 < mistik1> so no advantage for SMP? 09:26 < netrunner> blindcoder: it works. just some deps are wrong, I am correcting those now. 09:26 < blindcoder> mistik1: if you use Cluster Build on a single machine... it MAY work... but you should expect unexpected behaviour 09:26 < netrunner> mistik1: it's fine. I just build with only like 20 errs 09:26 < blindcoder> mistik1: like what netrunner reported: 0-gcc2 being built after 7-perl 09:27 < netrunner> blindcoder: no, that was some weird new output that was added, the 0 meaning the deps on that pkg 09:27 < blindcoder> netrunner: oh... I see 09:28 < owl> someone knows the "securemote" client? and is it free for download? 09:28 < mistik1> I've been waiting a long time to build my own rock 09:28 * blindcoder takes everything back, says the opposite :) 09:28 < mistik1> i can wait a little longer 09:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: or something else, t least it was my fault. 09:28 < blindcoder> netrunner: I see 09:29 < netrunner> mistik1: I am working on fixing the cluster currently. the scripts work fine, just the dependency db is not complete, so some packages are built to early. 09:29 < netrunner> mostly gnome stuff 09:29 < blindcoder> mistik1: if the cluster build feature works, it should be roughly over a week at worst 09:29 < mistik1> hmm 09:30 < blindcoder> brb 09:30 * netrunner needs about 48h on a dual athlonxp 2400+ 09:31 < netrunner> for desktop. generic takes a little longer, since it includes more packages 09:31 * mistik1 needs to just build a damn cluster and be done with it 09:31 < mistik1> Its not like I dont have enough CPUS 09:40 < blindcoder> back 09:45 < daja77> moin 09:46 < blindcoder> moin daja77 09:46 < blindcoder> daja77: did it work? did it? did it? did it? 09:48 < daja77> sorry, i made no presentation, only talks cos we were very busy, and had not much time 09:48 < blindcoder> damn... 09:48 < daja77> yes 09:48 < daja77> but i gave one copy to girl, well maybe she tries it 09:49 < blindcoder> okay 09:49 < daja77> the meeting was from 19:== til 22:15 O_o 09:49 < daja77> 19:00 09:50 < blindcoder> hmm... sounds like our "Firmenessen" here :) 09:50 < daja77> but no food there :( 09:51 < blindcoder> sucks.... no meeting without food xor without me :) 09:51 < daja77> and they want to include knoppix on that cd *sigh* 09:52 < blindcoder> well, knoppix _is_ a _bit_ more popular than rock 09:55 < daja77> guess i will put the original knoppix iso on the dvd and add a boot option for it 09:56 < netrunner> daja77: you boot an iso-image on a dvd? 09:56 < blindcoder> sounds good, that way everyone gets what he des^Wwants 09:57 < daja77> netrunner: i will try yes 09:57 < netrunner> daja77: sounds nice :) 09:57 < daja77> indeed :) 10:02 < blindcoder> daja77: I added my linux24_quiet.patch to lvp, so that the kernel doesn't print tons of messages (iow: it now only prints error messages) 10:02 < daja77> cool 10:03 < daja77> what about booting in frambuffer mode? 10:03 < netrunner> blindcoder: could you please add that patch to ROCK making it an option? 10:04 < blindcoder> daja77: framebuffers are loaded by hwscan, since I can't know which card is in the machine 10:04 < blindcoder> netrunner: just add the parameter "quiet" to the kernel, that shuts down almost all messages 10:04 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, ok :) 10:04 < blindcoder> I just set the loglevel down to 3 where it had been 4 10:05 < blindcoder> and that requires a kernel patch *d'ouh' 10:05 < daja77> hmm when the fb drivers are all in the kernel it should work, no? 10:05 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, it should. I planned on creating a complete kernel config since Monday, but haven't been at home long enough to do so 10:06 < blindcoder> daja77: if that works, I also think about the Linux Progress Patch for LPP 10:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: may I suggest bootsplash.org? 10:07 < blindcoder> netrunner: bootsplash loads from the filesystem, doesn't it? 10:07 < netrunner> blindcoder: initrd afaik 10:07 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... sounds good, I'll look into it 10:08 < netrunner> blindcoder: I'll try adding it to ROCK (optional). 10:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: yes, that would be nice :) then I can use it without problems in LVP :) 10:10 < blindcoder> that reminds me, I need to send a mail to the maintainer of cdrecord-prodvd 10:13 < blindcoder> netrunner: any ideas when you'll be done integrating bootsplash? *g* 10:18 < netrunner> blindcoder: when I'm done ;) 10:18 < netrunner> blindcoder: I need to find out how to add a patch to the kernel from another package. 10:19 < owl> hmmmmm. someone could suggest me something i should eat at the chinease ? 10:19 < blindcoder> netrunner: meep meep, pkg_linux24_post.conf 10:20 < blindcoder> netrunner: I can send you an example 10:20 < blindcoder> owl: chicken or duck 10:20 < owl> hmmmm. is it "scharf"? 10:21 < blindcoder> netrunner: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/pkg_linux24_post.conf 10:21 < blindcoder> owl: if you order a meal that is, then yes. But there are also curry, sweet-sour or other flavors 10:21 < netrunner> owl: you can always ask chinese guys to make it extra hot. 10:22 < owl> *hrhr* 10:22 < owl> thx. 10:22 < blindcoder> netrunner: just put that file into the package that contains bootsplash and if bootsplash is activated, then it will be executed just after linux24.conf 10:22 < netrunner> blindcoder: thx 10:23 < blindcoder> netrunner: np, I coded this feature up, after all :) 10:23 < blindcoder> (well not alone, but it was my idea :) 10:25 < netrunner> blindcoder: do we have the kernel version in some var? 10:25 < blindcoder> netrunner: mom, hav to look, but yes 10:26 < blindcoder> netrunner: ${desc_V} 10:26 < blindcoder> netrunner: or ${ver} 10:28 < netrunner> blindcoder: thx. 10:37 -!- scoopexH [~marc@tux.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:00 -!- scoopexH [~marc@tux.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de] has quit "Client exiting" 11:16 * blindcoder trying LVP against SVN:HEAD 11:27 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Client Exiting"] 11:28 -!- sten [~sten@d142-173-117-37.bchsia.telus.net] has left #rocklinux [] 11:30 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit Remote closed the connection 11:31 * daja77 is rolling on the floor laughing 11:32 * blindcoder wants, too! 11:34 < owl> <- rolls without abusing the door. just need to "walk" then i'm rolling 11:34 < owl> <- ugly stupid asshole 11:35 < daja77> i ever told these guys at work that we have to upgrade that old suse and samba and stuff, but they always said: hey don't touch a running system, yesterday they tried a winn2k box on it, and surprise they can't access that server with it *muhahahahaha* 11:35 < owl> *lol* 11:35 < blindcoder> well, that was unexpected, wasn't it? *g* 11:36 < daja77> and no i am not goin to work today 11:36 < daja77> :) 11:37 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:38 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 11:38 < MadTux> re 11:38 < blindcoder> wb 11:38 < daja77> wb MadTux 11:38 < blindcoder> MadTux: where's what you promised me? 11:38 < MadTux> thanks gentlemen 11:38 < blindcoder> daja77: I wouldn't, either :) 11:38 < MadTux> blindcoder: ah yes one moment please :) 11:39 < blindcoder> (not that I could watch it within the next 5 hours :) 11:39 < MadTux> sure but you are anxious enough to have it 11:39 < blindcoder> of course I am :D 11:39 < blindcoder> hmm... LVP live system now down to 240 MB... still too much >_< 11:40 < blindcoder> I need to get dietlibc working... have to bug esden about it 11:41 < MadTux> how about uclib? 11:42 < blindcoder> hmm... how good is uclibc? 11:42 < blindcoder> IE: Does XFree compile :) 11:43 < MadTux> heard quite better references of it than from dietlibc 11:43 < blindcoder> hmm... I'll look at it 11:44 < MadTux> even esden wanted to make a uclib target sometime ago 11:45 < blindcoder> I see... 11:45 < blindcoder> I'll just try to compile LVP with it :) 11:45 < blindcoder> since I just started a new compile anyway 11:46 < MadTux> bc okis 11:46 < MadTux> daja77: how are you ? 11:53 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 11:57 -!- nookie [~nookie@M312P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 11:57 < blindcoder> uclibc-enabled LVP Build running 11:57 < netrunner> blindcoder: can you modify the kernel config later? 11:57 < netrunner> blindcoder: I mean from another pkg? 11:58 < blindcoder> netrunner: the quiet patch? or what? 11:58 < blindcoder> netrunner: ehm... slowly, reboot, what do you want to do? 11:58 < blindcoder> oh, the config... hmm... I don't know, probably not 11:59 < blindcoder> moment, I'll show you what I did to change kernel config 12:00 < blindcoder> netrunner: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/config.in 12:00 < blindcoder> that's what I did... it may or may not work for you 12:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: in the dir of a package? 12:02 < blindcoder> yes 12:02 < daja77> MadTux: fine thx 12:02 < blindcoder> it creates a menu-button which, when pressed, will create the necessary additions to the kernel config 12:03 < blindcoder> WEE 12:03 < blindcoder> MadTux: uclibc built fine, without any hassle :) 12:04 < blindcoder> currently binutils is building 12:05 < daja77> cu all later 12:05 < MadTux> blindcoder: didn't i said you should try it? :) 12:05 < MadTux> daja77: oyasumi nasai 12:06 < blindcoder> MadTux: and I did what you said :) 12:06 < blindcoder> daja77: baba 12:06 < netrunner> blindcoder: maybe an empty submenu called "apply changes to kernel" is cleaner ... 12:06 < blindcoder> and best of all: it took only 3 Minutes to build :) 12:06 < MadTux> thats a good boy :) 12:06 < blindcoder> netrunner: something like that. Or just check if they're there and needed, and if not, add then 12:06 < MadTux> blindcoder: i take that as you are happy with the results :) 12:07 < blindcoder> MadTux: so far, yes 12:07 < blindcoder> If it turns out to work the way I want and shrink system size then I'll use it in LVP 12:08 < blindcoder> but I won't suggest it to include in ROCK until 2.0.0-final is here 12:08 < MadTux> blindcoder: woud rock to have a uclib target you know :) 12:08 < blindcoder> MadTux: yes, actually, if this works, I might install my Travelmate 800 with it :) 12:08 < MadTux> blindcoder: oh yes please feture freeze 12:08 < MadTux> feature* 12:08 < blindcoder> I'm going to get it by next week or the week after that, in time for christmas :) 12:08 < blindcoder> MadTux: yes, that's something that should have been enforced releases ago 12:09 < MadTux> hehe 12:09 < MadTux> blindcoder: well its been more than 2 years since last stable release.. 12:10 < blindcoder> MadTux: yes >_< 12:10 < blindcoder> MadTux: I currently think we might have a final by February 12:11 < MadTux> blindcoder: i don't dare to guess on a stable release date anymore 12:12 < blindcoder> MadTux: heh, then you haven't reach my state of insanity yet :D 12:13 < MadTux> ah you would be suprised on how insane i am 12:13 < MadTux> :) 12:14 * netrunner -> home 12:14 < MadTux> cu netti 12:14 * owl offers a wan-tan-soup to #rocklinux 12:15 < blindcoder> hmm... gcc3 fails with missing include files 12:15 < blindcoder> stdio.h fcntl.h and others 12:15 < MadTux> owl: thanks :) 12:16 < owl> MadTux: you like it? 12:16 < MadTux> blindcoder: mmm? 12:16 < MadTux> owl: certainly yes. 12:16 < owl> .oO(i should send this soup to .cr) 12:17 < blindcoder> MadTux: ah, strange... found the error, will fix it now 12:17 < MadTux> no, deliver it personally :) 12:17 < MadTux> blindcoder: foo error? 12:17 < owl> MadTux: no money to fly 12:18 < MadTux> walk? 12:18 < MadTux> :P 12:18 < blindcoder> MadTux: uclibc has a strange way of installing 12:19 < MadTux> blindcoder: ie? 12:19 < MadTux> OK fellows 5:20am will go get a shower and breakfast now, be back in 2 hours 12:19 < blindcoder> MadTux: it has a kernel like configuration method where you must specify the installdirectory, defaulting to /usr/$arch-linux-uclibc 12:19 < MadTux> blindcoder: ur files should be ready 4 you when i get back.. still uploading 12:19 < blindcoder> MadTux: see you later 12:22 < owl> MadTux: *kick* 12:42 * blindcoder --> lunch 12:42 < th> heya MadTux 12:43 < owl> hi th 12:43 < th> hi owl 12:45 < owl> how are you?= 12:45 < th> fine. thanks 13:17 < mnemoc> re 13:17 < mnemoc> hi * 13:44 * blindcoder back 13:44 < blindcoder> hi mnemoc 13:45 < mnemoc> hi blindcoder 13:46 < netrunner> blindcoder: your pkg_linux24 thing is only semi-working. the var is not lx_patches but patchfiles as far as i can see. 13:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: no, for linux24 there is a special case 13:47 < blindcoder> netrunner: the lx_patches will also be copied into the system in the directory /usr/src/linux_patchs (or so) in the package linux24_src 13:48 < netrunner> blindcoder: but lx_patches did not get applied here (and was empty) 13:48 < netrunner> patchfiles now works. 13:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm.. seems it was changed... 13:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: looks like rxr has changed this somewhen in between without me notixing... I haven't really used that script in a long time 13:50 < mnemoc> that´ the bad part of 'backstage-work' nobody notice it 13:52 < blindcoder> indeed, and I don't usually read every patch between revisions 13:52 < mnemoc> nobody does 13:53 < netrunner> well, at least one should check if the stuff in one's own repository still works or needs to be adapted. 13:53 * netrunner counting himself also to the lazy guys ;) 13:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: I didn't commit that stuff into ROCK and I haven't work on it in months 13:54 < netrunner> blindcoder: never mind, it gave me the ideas I needed. 13:54 < mnemoc> netrunner: sure, but checking every diff on some far away package or arch or misc can impact it without noticing 13:54 < mnemoc> svn diff -u * | less 13:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: glad to be of service :) 13:55 < blindcoder> uclibc build has reached stage 1 without failing 13:55 < mnemoc> are you already patching gcc when needed? 13:56 < blindcoder> mnemoc: it wasn't needed 13:56 < blindcoder> mnemoc: gcc3 compiled just fined 13:56 < mnemoc> yes, but you want to build binaries that use uclibc or not? 13:57 < blindcoder> and according to the website, anything short of an old mozilla version should work 13:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: since I build without glibc, that should already be the case 13:57 < mnemoc> :o 13:59 < mnemoc> i wanted to 'emulate' the 3 toolkits on rock when uclibc is selected as default libc 14:00 * mnemoc removing uclibc of his TODO :( 14:05 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I'm not yet sure if it works, but in theory it should :) 14:06 < mnemoc> i hope too, /me hates dietlibc 14:06 < blindcoder> hmm... I don't care either way. for me it's important that it "just works" :) 14:07 < blindcoder> Also, I do hope for a smaller memory usage 14:08 < blindcoder> since I want to use it for my LVP live system 14:08 < mnemoc> uLVP :) 14:08 < blindcoder> hehe 14:09 < blindcoder> and also, a reinstallation of my machine is long past due 14:09 < blindcoder> maybe I'll try using uclibc as libc on a generic target then :) 14:10 < mnemoc> try a really minimal first :) 14:11 < mnemoc> then you add the pkg as 'O' and we start helping you ;) 14:11 < blindcoder> an LVP build has 81 packages 14:15 < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA 14:15 < blindcoder> eeeeevil error in zlib Makefile 14:16 < blindcoder> CC=i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3 14:16 < blindcoder> and a few lines later: 14:16 < blindcoder> LDSHARED=gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libz.so.1 14:16 < mnemoc> ,? 14:20 < blindcoder> configure assumed that if the host is linux then the compiler is _always_ called gcc and is to be found in the path 14:20 < blindcoder> s/compiler/linker/ 14:20 < blindcoder> now I patched that so that $(CC) is used 14:21 < blindcoder> and at once zlib compiles with uclibc :) 14:21 < mnemoc> maybe it's fixed on last zlib 14:21 < mnemoc> btw, i had never seen that -Wl,... comma thing :) 14:22 < blindcoder> hmm... yes, we have an outdated version 14:22 < blindcoder> will check on current one 14:23 < mnemoc> -[V] 1.1.4 14:23 < mnemoc> +[V] 1.2.1 14:23 < mnemoc> it's working here :) 14:23 < mnemoc> but rene seems to be currently refusing updates 14:23 < blindcoder> yes is fixed 14:24 < netrunner> mnemoc: I guess he's busy 14:24 < mnemoc> sure 14:25 < mnemoc> i mean he has skiped them on the ml 14:30 < mnemoc> then ill wait for his permission before the patch-flood 14:35 < netrunner> creepy bootsplash utility has no configure and no makefile :( 14:37 < blindcoder> hoeh? 14:37 < blindcoder> "compile by hand" or what? 14:38 < mnemoc> ./build.sh like? 14:39 < blindcoder> hmm... I see no patch for updating zlib on the ML 14:39 < mnemoc> not send 14:39 < blindcoder> oh, I see 14:39 < blindcoder> I thought you had sent it already 14:40 < mnemoc> nope, it´ enqueued here 14:40 < blindcoder> I see 14:40 < mnemoc> no special patch is needed 14:40 < blindcoder> yes, so I'll wait for your patch 14:41 < mnemoc> do you one THAT patch or you want i flood the list right now or you will wait ? 14:41 < mnemoc> s/one/want/ 14:41 < mnemoc> weird typo :( 14:42 < mnemoc> i think i'll flood anyway 14:44 < mnemoc> bdb4.2->bdb42 or bdb4.2->/dev/null? 14:44 < mnemoc> i don't know if i want a fourth bdb pkg :( 14:44 < mnemoc> compatibility sucks 15:00 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:23 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76F49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:23 < blindcoder> GNARF 15:24 < blindcoder> sed wants nls despite being configured with --disable-nls 15:28 < th> ouhm 15:28 < th> unsigned int type : 4; 15:28 < th> what does that mean? 15:28 < th> c-code 15:28 < th> member of a struct 15:28 < th> i don't get the :4 15:29 < th> is that the byte-size? 15:30 < zum> how many bits are reserved to type 15:30 < mnemoc> bits? 15:30 < zum> you can specify bit fields in c structs 15:31 * mnemoc din´ know :( 15:31 < th> so some sort of packing? 15:31 < zum> well, it's not a feature you use every day... 15:32 < cytrinox`> tach 15:32 < mnemoc> last week i did a 8x8 bitmap using 8 unsigned chars, and discusting shift stuff 15:32 < th> so after a int foo:4; the next member (that is :1) uses the fifth bit? 15:32 < th> ...of that int? 15:32 < mnemoc> if foo:1 is really reflkected on sizeof my life could had been much easier 15:33 < zum> th: yes 15:34 < mnemoc> cool 15:37 < th> zum: do i need to set pragma pack? 15:46 -!- javito [~javito@200-102-059-253.bnut37004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #rocklinux 15:48 * blindcoder going home, bye 15:49 -!- javito [~javito@200-102-059-253.bnut37004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #rocklinux ["Client Exiting"] 16:02 < fake> hi 16:03 < mnemoc> hi fake 16:10 < zum> th: let's see, I think bitfields are defined in the standard 16:11 < zum> and there wouldn't be much point to them if it required pragma pack. 16:11 < th> yes 16:12 * netrunner trying bootsplash 16:14 < zum> anyway, they are machine-dependent (because of endianness issues or such) but you can generally expect that continuous bitfields are just packed together 16:15 < zum> documentation for a particular compiler is likely to tell more 16:16 < th> zum: thanks for the imapct 16:18 < cchamilt> hmm my builds die at 1-wireless-tools because of the missing rocknet dirs. 16:19 < cchamilt> the dies need added to the dir-tree 16:19 < cchamilt> dirs that is 16:19 < zum> the standard is as poignant as always: An implementation may allocate any addressable storage unit large enough to hold a bit- 16:20 < zum> field. If enough space remains, a bit-field that immediately follows another bit-field in a 16:20 < zum> structure shall be packed into adjacent bits of the same unit. If insufficient space remains, 16:20 < zum> whether a bit-field that does not fit is put into the next unit or overlaps adjacent units is 16:20 < zum> implementation-defined. 16:20 < zum> (Sorry for the spam) 16:20 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit "leaving" 16:20 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:20 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit Client Quit 16:22 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:22 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:56 < daja77> re 17:30 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-191.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 17:31 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-191.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:31 < rxr> re 17:31 < daja77> wb rxr 17:31 < daja77> [iMac] 17:31 < daja77> "... it's a Computer especially built for Idio... er for Mommies and Dadys." 17:32 < daja77> ^^ 17:35 < daja77> omg can someone send eric a sane mailer as christmas present 17:39 < daja77> .oO yahoo is a sick mailer 17:40 < daja77> i can still access the mailbox of the girl who was here, even when she logged out 17:40 < daja77> unbelievable 17:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 17:45 < blindcoder> WAAAH! WTF is wrong wit sed? 17:46 < blindcoder> It wants some NLS-specific things even though nls is turned _OFF_! 17:49 -!- vegai [~vegai@a4703-135.customer.soneraliving.fi] has left #rocklinux [] 18:14 < mnemoc> re 18:15 < rxr> hi mnemoc 18:16 < mnemoc> hi rxr 18:19 < mnemoc> rxr: have you read something about svn and bdb42? better than 4.1? 18:35 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-191.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 18:36 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-191.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: I have not read about it yet ... 18:42 < rxr> Branko Ä\214ibej <brane@xbc.nu> writes: 18:42 < rxr> > >Well, Subversion builds with BDB 4.2 out of the box, and all ra_local 18:42 < rxr> > >tests pass. Looks like it's faster, too. 18:42 < rxr> 18:42 < rxr> ra_dav just passed for me... seemed faster too, frankly. 18:42 < rxr> 18:42 < rxr> Yee-haw! 18:43 < mnemoc> that's good :) 18:44 < mnemoc> adding a fourth bdb is not funny, but add one and drop another is not that bad :) 18:47 -!- moord [~bsd@d5153684B.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 18:47 < moord> anyone here? 18:48 < mnemoc> i think so 18:49 < rxr> yes, hi moord 18:50 < moord> ok 18:50 < moord> well 18:51 < moord> im a pure fbsd user for a while now, but im missing a linux to guys, a friend talked me about rock linux, i hate gentoo now for a while heh, now, how long it takes for installung rock and its stable one? 18:52 < netrunner> moord: installing speed depends on your machine, maybe about 1 hour 18:52 < moord> oh 18:52 < moord> cool 18:52 < moord> im using a pentium4 18:52 < moord> so 18:52 < moord> i guess i gonna installing rock 18:52 < moord> i want something whit extra challenging, how is rock linux and his pkg manager? 18:55 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has quit "Leaving" 18:55 < mnemoc> moord: you should start reading the handbook (www.rocklinux.org) to understand what rock is :) 18:56 < moord> im busy whit it 18:56 < moord> just shite about the big download 18:56 < netrunner> moord: I hope you do not mix up installing and building ... 18:58 < moord> netrunner: ? 18:59 < moord> hmmm, i though i can using something like a livecd but im wrong 18:59 < moord> damn 19:00 < netrunner> moord: you can do a full build of all sources and get your favourite distribution out (eg on iso's). or you can download precompiled isos. either are usable then for installing a ROCK on your hw 19:01 * netrunner rechnent mal die zinsen extrapoliert auf secs lebenserwartung 19:01 < moord> netrunner: well i need something i need so i can doin a network install 19:01 < netrunner> argl 19:01 < moord> i have download limits 19:01 < blindcoder> netrunner: sec? 19:01 < netrunner> moord: download desktop isos. 19:02 < moord> where? i only see +650mb iso's on site 19:02 < netrunner> moord: if you reach your limit, cancel and continue the download in your next billing period :) 19:02 < netrunner> moord: I could build a minimal for you ... what arch/cpu? 19:02 < netrunner> blindcoder: wrong channel 19:03 < moord> lol, it dont works like that, when i reaching my max download they put me on 56k inet 19:03 < moord> netrunner: x86 pentium4 1.6 19:03 < zum> that's also something I was missing when I decided to install rock linux... a minimal system 19:04 < netrunner> moord: I have never tried the minimal ... but I'll build one for you 19:04 < netrunner> moord: need X? 19:04 < moord> netrunner: how long it takes? 19:04 < moord> netrunner: well, yes 19:04 < netrunner> moord: sorry, I just remember I cannot build for p4 on my build server ... 19:04 < moord> oh 19:04 < moord> ic 19:05 * netrunner booting his laptop 19:05 < netrunner> I guess minimal is not too much, my lap can do it over the night. 19:05 < moord> ok 19:05 < moord> good 19:06 < moord> heh, i though rock linux was also like gentoo a very minimal iso 19:07 < netrunner> moord: rocklinux is more. it's a distribution build kit. you can build the dist you want with it. 19:07 < mnemoc> zum: there is a minimal template 19:07 < moord> seems like a very a-commercial one 19:07 < moord> and i like that 19:08 < mnemoc> moord: if you tune your config before you only download required tarballs and all of them as .bz2 19:09 < mnemoc> saving bw :) 19:10 < moord> well mnemoc thats what i want, a iso that i can choosing whit .tarballs to download 19:10 < moord> but i only see on the site +650mb big iso's 19:10 < moord> to much *for me* 19:11 < mnemoc> the isos are a consecuence of what rock does 19:11 < netrunner> moord: you do not need rock to build rock. you can just use subversion to check out the build scripts, then configure and then download what you want and build it 19:11 < moord> hmmm 19:12 < netrunner> moord: there are only some requirements you should meet, like actual bash etc. they are described in the handbook afair 19:12 < mnemoc> the handbook is good, try it. rock is not what you think it is 19:12 < moord> netrunner: in other words, i dont need the big iso's for building rock? 19:12 < mnemoc> devfs is the most important 19:12 < netrunner> moord: no. 19:13 < moord> thats what i want to hear 19:14 < moord> netrunner: yourea developer? 19:14 < moord> or all guys are developer? heh 19:14 < netrunner> moord: that's basically the rocklinux developer channel, you'll meet most of us here ;) 19:15 < moord> ah cool 19:15 < mnemoc> you take any linux you have around, make it support devfs, update it, checkout rocklinux from svn, config your build, download required tarballs, build, burn, install 19:15 < moord> hmmm, i have slackware here 19:16 < mnemoc> next step: devfs+devfsd 19:16 < moord> i have to installing it first though :) 19:17 < mnemoc> yes, that can be necesary :) 19:17 < moord> +exec -o uname -a 19:17 < moord> FreeBSD Morphix.pandora.be 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Tue Nov 25 14:42:49 CET 2003 bsd@Morphix.pandora.be:/usr/src/sys/compile/FUCKMEBITCH i386 19:17 < moord> as ya can see 19:17 < moord> ok let me looking at the iso first 19:17 < moord> mnemoc: i have to print out the doc for building rock or its like a good installer 19:18 < mnemoc> while you install slackware start reading the handbook :) 19:19 < mnemoc> btw, in rock 2.1 you will can choose to build a bsd or a linux :) 19:19 < moord> btw 19:19 < moord> i cant reading the handbook 19:19 < moord> because 19:19 < moord> i only have 1 computer 19:19 < mnemoc> uhm 19:19 < mnemoc> bad thing 19:20 < mnemoc> print it first 19:20 < moord> lol, first linux i found herer is gentoo :P 19:20 < moord> but i dont gonna doin a long install for removing it again 19:20 < moord> heh 19:21 < moord> ok 19:21 < moord> i found slackware 19:21 < moord> mnemoc: so 19:21 < moord> after im back in Slack 19:22 < moord> ya gonna explain me how to do it on you're way? 19:22 < mnemoc> no problem 19:22 < moord> cool 19:22 < mnemoc> nobody has a minimal iso he can download to avoid devfsization? 19:24 < moord> is that a part from me mnemoc ? 19:24 < mnemoc> they are hidden :) 19:24 < moord> lol 19:24 < moord> seems so 19:24 < moord> but while ya asking for the right iso 19:24 < moord> i can installing slack very_fast now 19:24 < moord> right? 19:25 < mnemoc> i have a VERY experimental 200M iso i can upload to you 19:25 < moord> hehe, very experimental? 19:25 < mnemoc> BUT i'm at chile so it would be sloooow 19:26 < elon> don't know if trinux supports devfsd in the latest release.. perhaps its worth a look at their homepage 19:26 < mnemoc> very experimental -> it boots and has the bin packages, but don't expect a next, next, next 19:27 < moord> hehe, a do it you're self iso? 19:27 < mnemoc> rock IS a do it your self kit :) 19:27 < moord> well yes, but i saw some screenshots 19:27 < moord> looks nicer then the gentoo install 19:28 < mnemoc> and far smarter :) 19:28 < moord> can be, its all python 19:28 < moord> even Portage is python 19:28 < moord> lol 19:29 < mnemoc> a good exercise is to compar G*'s ebuilds with rock's .conf files ;) 19:29 < moord> ah 19:29 < moord> mnemoc: so its areally a dustro with extra challenging then 19:30 < moord> *distro 19:30 < mnemoc> rock is not a distro :) 19:30 < moord> eh? 19:30 < mnemoc> rock is a toolkit 19:31 < mnemoc> and a 'framework' 19:31 < mnemoc> to help you to build the distro you want 19:31 < moord> oh 19:31 < moord> ic 19:31 < moord> similar like LFS then 19:32 < mnemoc> kind of 19:32 < mnemoc> here you only need to select an arch, a target and if you want tune the pakcage list 19:32 < moord> cool cool 19:33 < mnemoc> a toolkit ;) 19:33 < moord> yeah 19:34 < moord> ok, i gonna donload slack first 19:34 < moord> would be more interesting 19:34 < mnemoc> o_O 19:34 < moord> well 19:35 < moord> for building rock then ;) 19:35 < moord> i just need a -650mb iso cuz i dont have +650mb cd-roms here also 19:41 -!- _spectre_ [yyobpg@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit "Client Exiting" 19:50 < blindcoder> hmm... 1-bash using the hosts native compiler... 19:51 < mnemoc> mmm 19:53 < blindcoder> this is bad... 19:55 < mnemoc> are you reeeeasly sure about that' 19:55 < mnemoc> _ 19:55 < mnemoc> aaarg 19:55 < mnemoc> ? 19:56 * mnemoc needs a new keyboard 19:56 < blindcoder> gnarf... 19:56 < blindcoder> you disable nls, but still need gettext and a nls-compatible libc to build sed and bash! 19:56 < blindcoder> this sucks >_< 19:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I am. It also uses the hosts libraries 19:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I found out while building a uClibc LVP\ 19:57 < blindcoder> 19:58 < blindcoder> brb 20:03 < blindcoder> back 20:03 < mnemoc> take a look to cmd_wrapper.txt 20:03 < mnemoc> if it's created, gcc wrapper was called 20:05 < blindcoder> GNARF 20:05 < blindcoder> from bash Makefile: 20:05 < blindcoder> CC = i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3 20:05 < blindcoder> CC_FOR_BUILD = gcc 20:05 < blindcoder> debug-bash:[bash-2.05b]# which gcc 20:05 < blindcoder> /usr/bin/gcc 20:05 < blindcoder> ARGH 20:06 < blindcoder> I think it might be easier to symlink gcc to i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3 in the wrapper dir 20:08 < blindcoder> than to patch a dozen packages to actually use it >_< 20:10 < blindcoder> FUCK 20:11 < blindcoder> now I accidentally did a Cleanup -full from history >_< 20:12 -!- moord [~bsd@d5153684B.kabel.telenet.be] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:12 < mnemoc> lol 20:14 < blindcoder> ah well, I have a custom kernel config, so linux24 will only take slightly over 20 mins 20:14 -!- elon [~moep2k@pD9E76F49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:15 < blindcoder> uclibc in current config takes 11 minutes 20:16 < blindcoder> anyway, I'll be gone before that 20:21 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABFFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 -!- WrKRobe [robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 < WrKRobe> helo. 20:40 < tcr> moin 20:42 < WrKRobe> gibts irgendwo eine mirror-howto fuer rocklinux? 20:44 < tcr> What do you mean? 20:45 < WrKRobe> something like https://www.de.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror or https://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/source_mirrors.xml just for rocklinux 20:47 * zum crawls back 20:47 < zum> ... hey, did someone have a minimal ISO ready? 20:47 < zum> I'd be glad to have one 20:48 < tcr> WrKRobe, Do you want to use a mirror or do you wanna create one? 20:48 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/mirrors.txt 20:48 < WrKRobe> tcr: latter 20:50 < mnemoc> we need to create a live-build-your-rock-cd ... 20:50 < tcr> WrKRobe, hmm.. don't about that. You should query rxr, or drop an email to the ml 20:52 < cytrinox`> re 20:54 < tcr> zum: ask on the ml. There's chance bigger that you find one who recently built a minimal target 21:34 < MadTux> moin 21:34 < MadTux> ping blindcoder 22:00 < daja77> re 22:04 < daja77> MadTux: you here? 22:11 < netrunner> hm. mal zur sneak fahren... 22:11 < netrunner> argl, wrong window again 22:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABFFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 22:49 < MadTux> daja77: yes. 22:49 < daja77> good 22:50 < WrKRobe> heya 22:50 < daja77> hi WrKRobe 22:50 < MadTux> hiya WrKRobe 22:50 < WrKRobe> you don't happen to know if there are some mirror-howtos for rocklinux available somewhere? 22:51 < MadTux> WrKRobe: mirror howto? you wanna have a mirror for rocklinux? 22:52 < MadTux> WrKRobe: just mail clifford@clifford.at and let him know about your interest he will reply to you with the proper instructions. 22:52 < WrKRobe> will do 22:52 < WrKRobe> do you have an estimate on how much data that will be? 22:54 < MadTux> WrKRobe: 2 - 3gb if its just packages 22:54 < MadTux> dunno if you want to mirror isos too 22:54 < WrKRobe> oh 22:54 < WrKRobe> I've got 80 gb to spare at the moment 22:54 < WrKRobe> that should suffice :P 22:55 < MadTux> i think its just 2gb 22:55 < WrKRobe> how many isos are there? 22:55 < MadTux> WrKRobe: very nice. what kind of connection do you have? 22:55 < MadTux> well regarding isos well there is an iso archive at iso.rocklinux.de 22:55 < WrKRobe> I maintain the mirror server of an austrian ISP 22:56 < MadTux> and the official iso are located at https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock 22:56 < MadTux> WrKRobe: very nice :) 22:57 < WrKRobe> https://mirror.inode.at 22:58 < MadTux> <click> 22:58 < MadTux> 0_o 19c3 videos.. AWESOME! 22:59 < WrKRobe> yeah, though the sound is pretty bad 22:59 < MadTux> WrKRobe: for the mirror list i see i can tell you still have plenty of space left for stuff :) 23:00 -!- scoopex [~marc@td9091a4f.adsl.terralink.de] has quit Remote closed the connection 23:01 < WrKRobe> well, md1 can be easily doubled as soon as I get another 160 gig drive (converting from raid1 to raid5) 23:01 < MadTux> hehehehe Great :) 23:02 < MadTux> WrKRobe: do you currently use ROCK? 23:02 < WrKRobe> no 23:02 < WrKRobe> I just thought it might be a good idea to mirror it 23:02 < WrKRobe> since it's from austria and still isn't all too popular 23:02 < MadTux> WrKRobe: in the name of all the rock team we really appreciate this contribution of yours 23:05 < WrKRobe> no problem at all 23:05 < MadTux> WrKRobe: remeber clifford@clifford.at 23:06 < MadTux> remember* 23:06 < WrKRobe> already typing a mail 23:06 < MadTux> WrKRobe: excellent. 23:07 < MadTux> WrKRobe: please if is there anything that i can assist you with please feel free to ask :) 23:11 < WrKRobe> ok, thanks... I guess I'll just wait for his answer in the meanwhile =) 23:15 < MadTux> WrKRobe: yes. once again thanks a lot for what you are doing :) --- Log closed Sam Nov 29 00:00:13 2003