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--- Log opened Mit Dez 03 00:00:22 2003 --- Day changed Mit Dez 03 2003 00:00 < rxr> mnemoc: grep -H ? 00:00 < rxr> with | cut -d : -f 1 00:00 < rxr> or so 00:00 < mnemoc> i want ! -H 00:01 < mnemoc> the files without the string 00:01 < rxr> grep rene /etc/* | cut -d : -f1 00:01 < rxr> better then the for loop ... 00:02 < mnemoc> i don't get how that can give me the files without rene 00:04 < daja77> hmm should i write to european office or usa 00:04 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.62.140] has joined #rocklinux 00:04 < MadTux> moin 00:04 < mnemoc> moin MadTux 00:04 < daja77> hi MadTux 00:04 < MadTux> mnemoc: hola :) 00:05 < MadTux> daja77: hallo. 00:07 < SMP> mnemoc: -l, --files-with-matches 00:07 < SMP> eh 00:07 < mnemoc> SMP: thanks, i just found that :) 00:07 < SMP> mnemoc: -L, --files-without-match 00:07 < mnemoc> -L bytheway 00:09 < mnemoc> i had to read 5 time the damn man to see that line :| 00:09 * daja77 hates companies who deliver mail forms instead of mail addresses 00:10 < mnemoc> it's worse when that form uses your mail client to deliver the message ;) 00:10 < daja77> hehe 00:18 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E66A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:22 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry misunderstood your initial question 00:22 < rxr> -L is handy ;-) 00:23 < mnemoc> don't worry ;) 00:24 < rxr> shit - kprint remembered my 720dpi setting from the last print 00:24 < rxr> now my kword doc needs multiple minutes per page ... :-( 00:29 < daja77> is kword usable now? 00:29 < rxr> for me yes ... 00:30 < rxr> you can remind me to put some nice shots of KDE on the rocklinux-consulting.de page ... 00:30 < rxr> tomorrow or so ... 00:31 < rxr> but I only do short time stuff for uni exercises in kword 00:32 < rxr> for big stuff I use LaTeX ... 00:37 < daja77> for me it was broken that's why i installed openoffice for granny 00:41 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E66A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 00:42 < rxr> daja77: for me it has only tiny issues 00:42 < rxr> daja77: I think I take the time in some days and write them all down to the koffice list ... 00:44 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit "regenerating :(" 00:45 < rxr> cu - n8 all 00:52 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 00:53 < mnemoc> SMP: i have the patch tested and ready to send :) 00:54 < mnemoc> i hope to get your comments 00:58 < daja77> n8 rxr 01:05 -!- elon_ [~moep2k@pD9E753E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit "im off" 01:18 < mnemoc> daja77: after you change microphone i start understanding some things :) 01:20 < daja77> hehe 01:20 < daja77> what did you understand 01:22 < mnemoc> little things you explain about rock 01:22 < mnemoc> but *little* 01:22 < daja77> this is great still 01:22 < daja77> my knowlegde of rock was poor at this time ^^ 01:23 < mnemoc> poor enough to use RH on your laptop :\ 01:24 < daja77> well i had no chance to get a recent rock working at this time 01:24 < daja77> now i am better off :) 01:25 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 01:26 < mnemoc> mmm 01:26 < daja77> ahem no 01:26 < daja77> to be better off, means sth else 01:26 < mnemoc> i read that line twice getting to absolutly different meanings 01:27 < mnemoc> the frist time i read it igot tthat 01:27 < daja77> :) 01:27 < mnemoc> then i thought you had written a NEW line without the better :| 01:27 < mnemoc> damn congnitive sth 01:28 < mnemoc> maybe I need to sleep 01:28 < MadTux> mnemoc: sleep?!?! 01:28 < MadTux> mnemoc: those mortal bad habits.. 01:28 < mnemoc> :) 01:38 < mnemoc> MadTux: sabes como se llama el evento javascript que se gatilla cada vez que se presiona alguna tecla en un field? 01:38 < daja77> :)) 01:39 < MadTux> mnemoc: mmm... nop 01:39 < mnemoc> daja77: do you? 01:39 < mnemoc> brb 01:41 < mnemoc> re 01:43 < daja77> well got only parts of the question and i haven't used javascript for ages 01:45 < mnemoc> onkeypress='something;' 01:45 < mnemoc> how can i do that on javascript? 01:45 < mnemoc> for <input /> 01:47 < daja77> afaik you need an event fucntion which you have to "connect" to the event, but really, i used this years ago 01:49 < SMP> the attribute is named onchange 01:49 * daja77 wonders if SMP knows everything :) 01:49 < SMP> no, but I know where to look 01:50 < daja77> hehe ok, too tired for that atm 01:50 < daja77> i wrote them anyway 01:50 < daja77> in the worst case the don't allow us to do it 01:51 < daja77> which is not worse than now ^^ 01:52 < MadTux> daja77: didn't you know SMP rocks? 01:54 < daja77> :) 02:04 < mnemoc> re 02:06 < mnemoc> SMP: thanks :) 02:07 -!- kasc [~kasc@213.23.64.230] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 02:07 < daja77> huh kasc was here ... 02:08 < SMP> n8 02:08 < daja77> n8 SMP 02:08 < mnemoc> n8 SMP 02:08 * daja77 goin to bed too 02:09 < MadTux> n8 master SMP and daja77 02:09 < mnemoc> gn8 dajaboy 02:13 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-066-253.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:29 < Aard> [x] death penalty for usermode developers using kernel headers 02:32 < MadTux> hello Aard 02:32 < MadTux> Aardvark i mean :) 02:34 < Aard> hi MadTux 02:34 < MadTux> Aard: long time not seen you 02:35 < MadTux> brb rebooting 02:35 < Aard> MadTux: too much work to do 02:35 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.62.140] has quit "Client Exiting" 02:41 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 02:41 < MadTux> re 02:45 < mnemoc> ? 02:52 < MadTux> mnemoc: ? 02:55 < mnemoc> what was that? :) 02:56 * MadTux booting on a new kernel image, got a new NIC.. had to add support. 04:38 -!- Decade [t@lq-d0100.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #rocklinux 04:39 < Decade> I was wondering, what is the status of Rock Linux on Alpha? And does it support interesting programs like Compaq's Portable Math Library? 04:48 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.245.197.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:48 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.211.201.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:55 -!- ThePcktMstr [~zen@user-2ivem7l.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 04:56 -!- ThePcktMstr [~zen@user-2ivem7l.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit Remote closed the connection 04:59 -!- mistik1_ [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:01 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:01 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@217.88.250.187] has quit Nick collision from services. 05:01 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 05:02 < MadTux> hi blindy 05:06 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:1:44c0:2046] has quit Connection timed out 05:07 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivekqp.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit Connection timed out 05:20 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 07:04 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-091.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:10 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-155.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 07:44 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm25.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 07:46 < MadTux> cchamilt: ;-) 07:46 < blindcoder> moin moin 07:46 < MadTux> blindy! 07:47 < blindcoder> ! 07:59 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080202E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:59 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 07:59 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [] [Tue Sep 2 15:34:51 2003] 07:59 [Users #rocklinux] 07:59 [ [anders] ] [ cchamilt ] [ esden ] [ MadTux ] [ netrunner] [ SMP ] 07:59 [ _spectre_ ] [ ChristianQt] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ owl ] [ snyke ] 07:59 [ Aard ] [ clifford ] [ hannes] [ mnemoc ] [ praenti ] [ th ] 07:59 [ aszlig_ ] [ cytrinox ] [ huebi ] [ Nebukadneza`] [ rolla ] [ WrKRobe] 07:59 [ blindcoder] [ daja77 ] [ kasc ] [ netrunne1 ] [ rxr ] 07:59 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 07:59 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 08:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 08:01 -!- Keepnick: Couldn't determine chatnet (now ) 08:16 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508026F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 08:30 < [anders]> *yawn* 08:30 < netrunne1> moin 08:30 -!- You're now known as netrunner 08:30 < [anders]> lo netrunner 08:32 < MadTux> hej [anders] 08:33 < netrunner> blindcoder: you're kidding with your fixing mplayer. just cutting of something is bad, either fix it or leave it. 08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: look at the whole mplayer.conf please 08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: it _is_ fixed 08:35 < blindcoder> netrunner: a few lines earlier there is a [ -f $root/var/adm/packages/rtsp ] && var_append confopt " " "--enable-live" 08:35 < blindcoder> which is correct 08:36 < blindcoder> but the unconditional var_append confopt " " "--enable-live" is just plain wrong 08:39 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, I've just seen the remove part in your patch. rene then forgot to remove it when he included the cond. sorry ;) 08:40 < blindcoder> netrunner: no problem :) 08:41 < blindcoder> I now continue working working on the new LVP website with www.rocklinux.net design :) 08:41 * netrunner had to rescuredisk his build server today. 08:41 < blindcoder> killed your kernel? 08:42 < netrunner> when I did the bootsplash stuff I removed my current kernel to build a new ... but then shutdown without building ;) 08:42 < blindcoder> oh... 08:43 < blindcoder> that reminds me, I wanted to do an UML of a uslibc-linux... 08:43 < netrunner> hm. linux2.4.22 has security issues, but 2.4.23 no bootsplash patch ... 08:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: try applying it anyway 08:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: the LPP applies since 2.4.20 :) 08:46 < netrunner> hm, updating the kernel means updating all patches that lie there .. :( 08:48 < blindcoder> jups 08:48 < blindcoder> but 2.4.22 is local only 08:51 < netrunner> blindcoder: ? 08:52 < blindcoder> the exploit in 2.4.22 need s a local user account 08:52 < netrunner> ah. 09:34 < huebi> Moin 09:34 < huebi> blindcoder: Kaffee? 09:34 < blindcoder> huebi: sure 09:38 * netrunner want's too 09:38 < MadTux> huebi: hallo mein freund 09:39 < netrunner> argl, once again downloaded into the package dir :/ 09:56 < [anders]> hej hej MadTux 09:56 < MadTux> [anders]: :) 10:00 * blindcoder back 10:01 < MadTux> wb bc 10:01 * netrunner creating rosegarden package 10:03 < blindcoder> wasn't rosegarden packaged by clifford? 10:14 < WrKRobe> wrote 32884 bytes read 4163676109 bytes 31042.92 bytes/sec 10:14 < WrKRobe> can you feel the speed? 10:15 < MadTux> WrKRobe: :) 10:20 -!- _KonvIRC [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:20 * blindcoder currently working hard on making himself unpopular on the rock-linux list... 10:22 < MadTux> blindcoder: why? whats wrong? 10:22 < blindcoder> MadTux: check the list :) 10:23 < MadTux> blindcoder: mmm lets see 10:24 < MadTux> i just did, i think i removed the mail 10:24 < MadTux> checking archives 10:28 < MadTux> blindcoder: no i had not remove it, just got it, hehe 10:28 < MadTux> blindcoder: actually i totally agree with you 10:30 < blindcoder> MadTux: I hope that other's do so, too. 10:30 < MadTux> think so 10:31 < MadTux> blindcoder: it would really not be a nice bday present to have 2.0-final by then 10:33 < blindcoder> MadTux: indeed >_< 10:35 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9E39833.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 10:42 -!- WrKRobe [robe@213.229.14.38] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 11:17 -!- hannes [~hannes@eperm.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 11:54 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 11:58 < daja77> re 11:59 < MadTux> gday daja77 :) 12:00 < daja77> :) 12:08 < blindcoder> moin daja 12:08 < daja77> hi blindy 12:23 < MadTux> n8 all 12:23 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Client Exiting"] 12:41 < cchamilt> rxr;? 12:58 -!- ddd_ [Xywa@chello062179071252.chello.pl] has joined #rocklinux 13:24 < mnemoc> re [^(blindy)] :) 13:25 < daja77> :)) 13:26 < mnemoc> hi daja77 13:26 < daja77> hi mnemoc 13:29 < mnemoc> *yawn* 13:29 -!- ddd_ [Xywa@chello062179071252.chello.pl] has left #rocklinux [] 13:31 < blindcoder> mnemoc: why did I expect this? :) 13:31 < mnemoc> jk :) 13:32 < mnemoc> i use your reply to send some rockets too 13:33 < blindcoder> mnemoc: No offense taken :) I just read your response 13:34 < blindcoder> mnemoc: If we can trust rene's latest mail we should have 2.0-final this christmas, though I doubt that a little bit. Would be cool, but still 13:34 < daja77> think final for christmas is unrealistic anyway, maybe we can polish it on 20c3 13:34 < daja77> yes it would rock 13:34 < mnemoc> when 203c is? 13:34 < blindcoder> yes, 2.0-final-DVDs for sale on 20C3 13:34 < mnemoc> 20c3 13:34 < blindcoder> 27.-29.12. 13:36 < mnemoc> i found that unrealistic too :( may be valentine as blindy said 13:37 < daja77> would still rock, a stable rc4 would be fine for me atm 13:38 < blindcoder> daja77: yes 13:38 < blindcoder> daja77: I plan on taking about 25-50 DVD-Rs with me to 20C3 to give away ROCK-DVDs 13:41 < daja77> cool 13:41 < daja77> so your are the salesman this time ^^ 13:42 < blindcoder> daja77: as soon as I find a contact address for schily to ask if this is allowed with the free license of cdrecord-prodvd 13:43 < daja77> erh thought there is a free dvd recording tool as well 13:44 < blindcoder> none that works here 13:45 < daja77> this sucks 13:45 < daja77> you wrote the dvdrecord guys about this? 13:46 < blindcoder> at that time they stated that almost no writers would work and that they don't any it-doesn't-work-with-writer-xyz-mail anymore 13:46 < blindcoder> don't want any 13:47 < daja77> strange their hp tells different, anyway 13:47 < daja77> the emerging of more and more nonfree software just sucks 13:48 < blindcoder> cdrecord-prodvd is here for 5 years now... 13:49 < blindcoder> daja77: what's the URL of dvdrecord again? I'm willing to try it 13:56 < blindcoder> huebi: WE'RE GOING TO FREEZE TO DEATH! 14:13 < huebi> blindcoder: Do you see the ice cristals on the windows? They're comming closer and closer.... 14:14 < blindcoder> huebi: huebi if there'd at least be some cuties around here one could huzg them and say "It's for our survival" :) 14:22 < daja77> https://www.nongnu.org/dvdrtools/ 14:24 < daja77> ah nice, got mail for support to get us a nice poster for clt2004 14:27 < blindcoder> June, 13... I think that's the version I tried 14:28 < daja77> there are not very active when you look at their mail rchives 14:28 < daja77> archives 14:29 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-091.arcor-ip.net] has quit "Client exiting" 14:29 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-091.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:34 < blindcoder> daja77: yes, now you know why there is no free DVD-Writing tool :) 14:34 < rxr> I will release 2.0.0 soon 14:34 < blindcoder> rxr: cool :) 14:34 < rxr> waiting longer and longer with just new features getting in does not make sense 14:34 < rxr> especially with al the stuff on the 2.1 list that might get started at 20c3 ... 14:35 < blindcoder> rxr: I'll try to take a handful DVD-Rs with me to 20C3 so we can give away / sell for price of DVD-R some DVD-Versions of ROCK 2.0 with different targets/optimizations 14:35 < rxr> but when you ask me I vote for delaying 2.1 until summer next year and continue to do 2.0 polishing with some nice maintenenace milestones 14:35 < rxr> before we get into some 2.1 chaos again ... 14:36 < blindcoder> rxr: makes sense, you should bring that up on or before 20C3 14:37 < rxr> clifford: are you around? Do you plan to schedule some time for the rocknet STONE module? 14:38 < mnemoc> "feature freeze, 2 weeks for release"? 14:38 < clifford> rxr: yup. currently i have no net at home (don't ask me why - i don't know yet) and that makes development pretty hard. 14:43 < rxr> clifford: so should we do it? Or do you have some free minutes at work? 14:44 < rxr> s/it/rocknet stone module/ 14:48 < clifford> rxr: this is a good question. the answer is : i dont know when I will have time to make it. 14:48 < mnemoc> rxr: i meaned as far as i can see, rock don't converges to 2.0, it's growing, getting better, but not converging to a release 14:48 < clifford> I currently have no rock at work, so .. 14:49 < owl> moin 14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: but waiting and delaying does not help ... 14:49 < mnemoc> moin owl 14:49 < owl> hi mnemoc 14:49 < rxr> mnemoc: what missing and/or open TODO entries do you have? 14:50 < blindcoder> moin owly 14:50 < owl> hi blindy 14:51 < mnemoc> rxr: for 2.0? gcc unification, linux extraverion, cron update, and then runit rockified, mono-0.29 and vserver-1.00 14:52 < rxr> and this is the missing convergation towards 2.0 ? 14:52 < mnemoc> no 14:53 < mnemoc> that's my TODO for 2.0 ;) 14:53 < mnemoc> and as i have it done, i continue with my 2.1 TODO 14:56 < mnemoc> do you have time for quick-patching and problem solving these days? 14:57 < mnemoc> aaarg.. i can't get use to this forum s.ths :\ (flyspray) 15:08 -!- mnemoc is now known as __mnemoc 15:08 < blindcoder> clifford: do you have objections against me using the www.rocklinux.net design for creating a website for LVP that does not cause eye-cancer? 15:09 < clifford> blindcoder: be my guest. 15:10 < blindcoder> clifford: thanks :) 15:10 < daja77> i appreciate the idea of releasing early, it is sometimes hard to explain ppl why to use betas and rcs 15:11 < __mnemoc> we always can release 2.0.1, 2.0.2, etc.. :) 15:11 < rxr> jups 15:11 < daja77> btw do we have any wish for colors for our poster? 15:12 < __mnemoc> black ans white? 15:12 < blindcoder> daja77: gray-tones that look like a rock :) 15:13 < daja77> yeah thought of gray sth too, hope it doesn't look dull 15:13 < blindcoder> daja77: if it has a nice texture, then it won't :) 15:14 < __mnemoc> daja77: do you know someone who knows to draw? i love the idea of having a dwarf sculping a rock :( 15:14 < cchamilt> I should have a repo for keeping 2.1 stuff soon. I think I have svn->tla figured out. 15:14 < daja77> __mnemoc: yes ppl fro clt spent some ressources to create posters for oss projects 15:15 < cchamilt> That should keep specific changes separate yet synced with svn 15:15 < __mnemoc> when do you plan to have it sync'ed? i really need source control here :( 15:16 < cchamilt> Well I am trying to pull in the early cvs as well to have a complete revision history. 15:16 < __mnemoc> daja77: do you like the 'picture' i described on that mail? 15:17 < rxr> __mnemoc: if you really need a branch you can get one 15:17 < __mnemoc> svn-braches increase the global rev number 15:17 < daja77> rxr: a branch would be really nice to get better on with rtai and multimedia stuff 15:17 < daja77> so what 15:17 < __mnemoc> i would make that overflow : 15:17 < rxr> __mnemoc: who cares about the global rev number ? 15:18 < cchamilt> global rev is the only real way to track changes in svn right now. 15:18 < rxr> the last time clifford and I spoke 2.1 will be in the sane SVN - so some seperate thing will not make much sense ... 15:18 * __mnemoc signs for a branch 15:19 < rxr> clifford: could you go thru the mails from me in your inbox - maybe especially the one requesting to relase the current submaster paper into the wild? 15:20 < puzzled> rxr: did you see my answer to your question which rs6k model it is and if it boots that cd? 15:21 < rxr> jups saw this - thanks 15:21 < puzzled> ok 15:21 < rxr> puzzled: do you also own a B50 ? 15:21 < puzzled> nope but internally they should be exactly the same as my 7043-150. supposedly the B50 is just the rackmount model of mine 15:22 < rxr> puzzled: could you try to burn your own AIX CD and take a look if it boots? 15:23 < cchamilt> clifford:Is there an original cvs available that is just before the svn change over? 15:23 < daja77> nice, just reactivated the contacts to xbox-linux from linuxtag, their debian maintainer now asks me about rock :) 15:23 < cytrinox> re 15:25 < blindcoder> hmm... branches might not be the best idea, maybe as a different project if that's possible? 15:25 -!- _KonvIRC [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 15:25 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:25 < daja77> blindcoder: why that's makes merging more complicated 15:26 < blindcoder> for example I develop the LVP independent of the main ROCK and tell rxr to sync every now and then... 15:26 < daja77> hmm would be nice if he ports rock to xbox 15:26 < blindcoder> daja77: simple: _users_ take the revision number as some kind of pseudo-version number 15:26 < cchamilt> Please no more ports till 2.0 15:27 < blindcoder> daja77: now if rock is at rev 2500 but the svn-rev-number is 3500 then users might think that a lot has changed even though maybe there are onle 5 changes concerning rock itself 15:27 < daja77> cchamilt: huh, i don't see what a xbox port would hurt 15:27 < blindcoder> daja77: nothing... AFTER 2.0.0 15:27 < cchamilt> it takes rxr time away from stablility 15:27 < clifford> cchamilt: I think i have a tar with it liggering around somewhere. 15:27 < cchamilt> we need all the rxr time we can get 15:27 < daja77> i don't expect patches this week 15:28 < daja77> when he likes to do a port i will not say to him, please wait 'til 2.0 to piss him off 15:28 < cchamilt> clifford:Great! When you get a chance could you dump it at a url for me? 15:28 * daja77 kept rtai some months outside the official without much problems 15:29 < rxr> daja77: xbox? hae no - not me. 15:29 < cchamilt> We just dont need to be putting more pressure on rxr to do extraneous things. 15:29 < daja77> rxr: huh? 15:29 < blindcoder> I also have around 80 kB patches without LVP in my local treee 15:30 < rxr> daja77: you think I'll do a xbox port ? 15:30 < blindcoder> which simply didn't get into ROCK or just aren't ready for that yet 15:30 < daja77> rxr: no 15:30 < daja77> rxr: the xbox debian maintainer maybe wants to do one 15:31 < cchamilt> New ports are still more work to be included. 15:31 < daja77> cchamilt: i don't see additional pressure for rxr if that guy keeps his patchset for a while just building some isos 15:32 < clifford> cchamilt: uploading ... please wait. 15:32 < rxr> I also do not see a problem with this - or applying a not intrusive patch ... 15:32 < cchamilt> Yes, it is fine if he does it now and the after 2.0 sends it in for syncing. 15:32 < daja77> sth like that 15:41 < __mnemoc> rxr: do you have a i2c patch for 2.4.23? 15:42 < blindcoder> is this a bug in bash, or what? 15:42 < blindcoder> $ alias ..="cd .." 15:42 < blindcoder> $ ls .. 15:43 < blindcoder> ls: cd: No such file or directory 15:43 < blindcoder> ..: 15:43 < blindcoder> [ content ] 15:43 < __mnemoc> d'oh 15:43 * daja77 would be happy if the number of rock patches for linux-2.4.23 would be decreased at a high rate 15:44 < __mnemoc> daja77: there is a rtai patch for 2.4.22 or 2.4.23 now? 15:44 < blindcoder> daja77: don't worry, I have a few more to add :P 15:45 < daja77> __mnemoc: there is no rtai patch for 2.4.23 yet, but the one for 2.4.22 does not apply due the rock changes 15:46 < blindcoder> brb 15:46 < blindcoder> or totally gone 15:46 * blindcoder going home 15:46 < daja77> cu blindcoder 15:47 < __mnemoc> daja77: have you tryed applying rtai's first? 15:47 < __mnemoc> var_insert instead of var_append 15:47 < __mnemoc> cu blindcoder 15:47 < daja77> nope 15:47 < rxr> __mnemoc: oh - I would need to port the i2c patch ... 15:48 < rxr> __mnemoc: should be trival .. 15:48 < __mnemoc> let's see :) 15:49 < rxr> should I or do you ? 15:51 < __mnemoc> i prefer you do 15:52 < __mnemoc> but i need to update if i want to stabilize mnemoc/* this week :) 15:54 < daja77> guess you gave the wrong answer ^^ 15:54 < __mnemoc> :( 15:55 -!- Gravedigger [~zombie@dsl-207-112-82-145.tor.primus.ca] has joined #rocklinux 15:55 < rxr> __mnemoc: ok - I'm currently doing kdeadmin and qcad stuff 15:55 < rxr> the ML and linux24 will be done there after ... 15:56 < __mnemoc> THANKS! :) 15:56 < __mnemoc> daja77: the true is never a wrong answer ;) 15:57 < daja77> ;-) 15:58 -!- Gravedigger is now known as zombi3 16:00 < clifford> cchamilt: www.clifford.at/priv/rock-src-1.7-20030613.tar.bz2 and www.clifford.at/priv/rock-src-1.7-Attic-20030310.tar.bz2 16:08 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-091.arcor-ip.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 16:12 -!- zombi3 [~zombie@dsl-207-112-82-145.tor.primus.ca] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 16:14 < rxr> damn libtool stuff 16:21 < rolla> yawn 16:22 < __mnemoc> hi rolla 16:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-091.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:22 < rolla> hallo __mnemoc 16:23 < daja77> hi rolla 16:23 < rolla> re daja77 16:24 < rxr> OMG - KDE ships an self-crafted old whatever libtool version ... 16:26 < daja77> O_o 16:29 < cchamilt> clifford: Thanks! 16:30 < __mnemoc> top segfaulted :-\ 16:32 < cchamilt> Explains the whole .la->.so I guess. 16:38 < __mnemoc> mmm segfaulted again 16:39 < rxr> __mnemoc: in the past I saw top seg-fault on certain de_DE@EURO or so locales 16:40 < rxr> __mnemoc: what does gdb top core 16:40 < rxr> bt 16:40 < rxr> say ? 16:40 < __mnemoc> no core, now runing inside gdb 16:41 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:45 < rxr> cchamilt: have you tried a build without out /lib/*.a -> /usr/lib automatic ? 16:58 * blindcoder back 17:00 < daja77> for those who are interested https://archiv.tu-chemnitz.de/cgi-monarch/search/direct.pl?Jahr=2003&Nummer=0140 17:00 < daja77> the slides of the fedora talk i attended some weeks ago (german only sorry) 17:05 < __mnemoc> i'm getting used to this kind of treacherous discrimination :( /me must learn german 17:05 < daja77> can't help it ppl here tend to speak german :) 17:06 < __mnemoc> bad habit you have :-\ 17:06 < daja77> i know :( 17:12 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50891B83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:13 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50891B83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Client Quit 17:20 < cchamilt> rxr:no 17:21 < cchamilt> rxr:I will if you want I am doing a ref build for kerberos fixing now, 17:23 < cchamilt> rxr:I moved my music, etc. onto my pvr so my raid has plenty of space for builds. I can start the build tomorrow. 17:24 < rxr> cchamilt: no it is not that urgent 17:25 < cchamilt> ok, but i will try it anyway. My ref build is hung up till I make fixes, 17:27 < cchamilt> ok, i am goin to sleep. n8. 17:31 < rxr> blindcoder: https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/index.php?id=98&backPID=2&tt_news=23 17:32 < rxr> a news entry for you - correctoins or improvements welcome 17:32 < blindcoder> rxr: WEE :) 17:32 < daja77> why is there a big gap between heading and the frame 17:33 < blindcoder> okay, I'm now away to install my WLAN AP-Router :) 17:34 < rxr> daja77: I do not know what you see on your side - but this the ROCK Linux default typo3 layout - I did no manual formating ... 17:35 < daja77> i know, i saw this on other sub pages too 17:35 < daja77> want a screenshot? 17:35 < rxr> daja77: sure - URL ? 17:36 < daja77> mom taking atm 17:36 < __mnemoc> it's the default, and small content valigned center makes that gap :( 17:37 < __mnemoc> you can fix it with a cute screenshot of LVP ;) 17:37 < __mnemoc> desc_SRC doesn't handle patches... :( 17:38 < daja77> https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/rocklvp-shot.png 17:39 < rxr> __mnemoc: regarding the bdb cleanup 17:39 < rxr> was this tested with the automated update checker? 17:39 < rxr> -[CV-URL] https://www.sleepycat.com/update/ +[CV-URL] https://www.sleepycat.com/download/patchlogs.shtml 17:40 < __mnemoc> yep, i use it 17:41 < __mnemoc> update/ redirects to download/patchlogs but the script doesn't understand that 17:41 < rxr> oki 17:50 < rxr> __mnemoc: the lprng update 17:50 < rxr> ah - forget ... 17:51 < __mnemoc> just compiled, and flist checked, not used 17:51 < rxr> nah - me was blinded - all ok ... 17:52 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 17:52 < rxr> __mnemoc: what was clifford comment to the gcc config unification ? 17:53 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F92C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:53 < __mnemoc> he said 'when available', then i add the grep on parse-config 17:57 < blindcoder> looks good so far 17:57 < __mnemoc> brb 18:00 < rxr> __mnemoc: the more intrusive ones will be reviewed later 18:01 < daja77> rxr: the ypbind patch is non intrusive btw :) 18:03 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F92C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 18:05 < rxr> daja77: this is why it got applied ... 18:06 < daja77> oh nice 18:06 < daja77> i should fetch my mail more often when you are around ^^ 18:07 < rxr> daja77: you should modify the packages config so the .init file is installed actually ... 18:07 < __mnemoc> lol 18:07 < daja77> ahem ok will fix that later 18:07 * daja77 shot too quickly i guess 18:08 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F92C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:08 < blindcoder> daja77: guess I won't use dvdrecord 18:09 < daja77> ic 18:09 < daja77> i really hoped there would be a free alternative 18:09 < blindcoder> daja77: first: it says my recorder is empty (which it isn't) 18:09 < blindcoder> daja77: second: on a second try it froze my system 18:09 < daja77> urgs 18:10 < daja77> guess we are not allowed to package the working tool? 18:10 < blindcoder> I think we are, but without a valid license key it's most useless 18:11 < daja77> license key wtf 18:11 < blindcoder> daja77: it's free for personal and educational use 18:11 < daja77> this is kindergarten 18:11 < blindcoder> daja77: so I don't know if giving out ROCK DVDs falls within this 18:11 < blindcoder> daja77: no, it's making a living. 18:12 < daja77> really 18:12 < daja77> rock is educational ^^ 18:12 < __mnemoc> "Living with ROCK" 18:13 < blindcoder> hmm 18:13 < blindcoder> hmm... 18:14 < blindcoder> seems like it works now... 18:14 < blindcoder> nope, doesn't 18:14 < daja77> hm? 18:15 < blindcoder> it tried writing but then failed 18:15 < blindcoder> an; other ideas? 18:15 < daja77> ah k. was confused by your messages 18:17 < rxr> blindcoder: log the traffic caused by the commerical shit tool and compare it with the free alternative 18:18 < rxr> and fix possible variations ... 18:19 < blindcoder> I found another thing, will try it 18:19 < daja77> growisofs 18:20 < daja77> https://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ 18:20 < daja77> hth 18:23 < daja77> As for cdrecord, DVD+RW/+R recording strategy is somewhat different from the one supported by cdrecord, so it simply doesn't work (nor does dvdrecord, despite what RedHat 7.3 Release Notes say). <- rofl 18:24 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 18:24 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:27 < blindcoder> hmm.. htat patch needs cdrtools 2.01 18:27 < blindcoder> wtf is those release? 18:28 < blindcoder> hmm... 18:28 * daja77 hopes you don't ask me 18:28 < blindcoder> lets try that one 18:29 < blindcoder> okay, that patch applies 18:38 < __mnemoc> what the command to turn a less into a tail -f ? 18:39 < daja77> s/less/tail -f/ :) 18:39 < __mnemoc> :) 18:40 < __mnemoc> F ;) i was trying ^F 18:50 < rxr> does someone know some python stuff ? 18:51 < daja77> which 18:54 * daja77 once played with python ... 18:56 * daja77 off for dinner bbl 18:56 < netrunner> nabend 18:56 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm25.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 19:02 < rxr> hi netrunner 19:02 < netrunner> hi rxr 19:03 < netrunner> rxr: shall I send a patch for scheduling rtsp before mplayer, have you already done it or will you just do it manually? 19:05 < blindcoder> *LOOOOOL* 19:05 < blindcoder> cdrecord with the cdrtools-2.01a18-ossdvd.patch works with my DVD-R writer, but only in CD-Mode, not in DVD-Mode :D 19:07 < blindcoder> so it now pretends to be writing a CD with speed 7, displays it as speed 9.5 and is actually writing a DVD-R with speed 2 :) 19:07 < blindcoder> We'd just have to upgrade to an alpha version of cdrtools and apply a 25kB patch >_< 19:08 < blindcoder> bbl 19:10 < rxr> netrunner: done 19:11 < netrunner> rxr: thx :) 19:14 < netrunner> blindcoder: is that the dvd version of cdrecord? I think one needs a license for dvds, no? 19:25 < rxr> netrunner: read scrollback for some more comments on that topic ... 19:29 < blindcoder> netrunner: it's a patch against an alpha version of cdrecord to make it compatible at least with my writer 19:30 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@p5080185D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:31 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F92C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 19:31 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 19:35 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958FA12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:36 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p5080185D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Nick collision from services. 19:36 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 19:43 -!- _KonvIRC [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:43 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 19:44 -!- _KonvIRC is now known as ChristianQt 19:54 -!- fake [~fake@f4k3.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:03 < daja77> re 20:07 < blindcoder> re daja77 20:07 < __mnemoc> re daja77 20:11 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #RockLinux 20:11 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit Client Quit 20:12 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit "ze ūda brķ-tenkoR" 20:13 < __mnemoc> after last commits... # du -sh ~amery/patches/ 20:13 < __mnemoc> 424K /home/amery/patches 20:14 < __mnemoc> (generated patchset) 20:18 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 20:18 < A-Tui> hi all 20:20 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:22 < __mnemoc> hi A-Tui 20:22 < __mnemoc> hi ChristianCute 20:22 -!- __mnemoc is now known as mnemoc 20:23 < A-Tui> hi mnemoc 20:26 -!- _spectre_ [yhnsbobd@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit "Client Exiting" 20:38 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:49 -!- nookie [~nookie@M510P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:58 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 21:23 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:35 -!- _KonvIRC [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:35 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 21:35 -!- _KonvIRC is now known as ChristianQt 21:46 -!- _KonvIRC [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:46 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 21:47 -!- _KonvIRC is now known as ChristianQt 21:57 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivek5k.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 -!- OffToWar [~zen@user-2ivek5k.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit Connection timed out 22:35 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 22:43 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit Remote closed the connection 22:47 -!- _spectre_ [ardaahk@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:50 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 22:50 < MadTux> moin 22:50 < daja77> wb MadTux 22:50 < nookie> MadTux! 22:51 < MadTux> daja77: heard your speak, quite nice, though i only undertood parts of it :) 22:51 < MadTux> n00kie hallo mein freund 22:51 < daja77> hehe ok 22:51 < nookie> :) 22:51 < nookie> How are you mike? 22:51 < daja77> have you heard nfilus as well? 22:51 < MadTux> n00kie, great and you ? 22:52 < MadTux> daja77: no, will do in a moment :) 22:52 < daja77> hehe 22:54 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:56 < daja77> jsaw: ! 22:56 < jsaw> hi all! 22:56 < jsaw> hi daja77 22:57 < jsaw> is our 2.4 kernel brk() safe? 22:57 < netrunner> https://daufaq.de *lol* 22:58 < daja77> hehe 22:58 < jsaw> dito 22:59 < mnemoc> jsaw: no, it's not 22:59 < jsaw> how long will it take... 22:59 < mnemoc> rxr will update to 2.4.23 asap 23:01 < jsaw> (it was rhethorical question, just to remind rxr) 23:01 < daja77> he is aware of that problem :) 23:02 * netrunner tries just to update the kernel ... build runs but will probably not see me before next morning. 23:02 < jsaw> I know, still _I'd prefer_ a patch for that than other updates of the svn tree... 23:03 < nookie> MadTux: I'm fine too 23:03 < nookie> thank you :) 23:03 < MadTux> n00kie nice lag :) 23:05 < nookie> hehe :) 23:05 < nookie> I'm on writing something for school 23:05 * jsaw does a fresh install of rev1896 now... bbl 23:07 < MadTux> n00kie enjoy 23:07 < MadTux> jsaw: nice 23:13 < netrunner> 05-devfs-not-exp.patch fails to apply :/ 23:13 < netrunner> I am not doing that today, n8 guys 23:15 < mnemoc> netrunner: the hard part is the i2c patch 23:16 < nookie> MadTux: thank you :) 23:16 < nookie> Well, good night :) 23:16 < nookie> sleep well guys 23:16 < daja77> n8 nookie 23:16 < MadTux> oyasumi nasai n00kie 23:30 -!- ChristianQt [~konversat@pD9530479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:32 < MadTux> ChristianQt: ! 23:32 < ChristianQt> hiiiiiiiiiiii 23:36 < esden> hi all 23:36 < daja77> hi esden! 23:36 < esden> hi daja77 23:37 < esden> you know what I love mac and mac OS X! 23:37 < esden> *GG* 23:37 < daja77> oh no _they_ got him 23:37 < esden> yes they got me 23:37 < esden> I got really insane 23:37 < esden> I really want such a box ... 23:38 * daja77 calls a doctor 23:38 * esden currently sitting in front of that beautifull G5 dual box 23:38 < esden> I can not stand not having such a box 23:38 < esden> it is simply working 23:39 < esden> looks beautifull and is so easy to use ... _and_ one can code on it in nice unix environment 23:39 < esden> that is an explosive mixture 23:41 < esden> daja77: lost his voice ;) 23:41 < daja77> yeah sort of 23:42 < esden> really? o_O 23:42 < esden> I was not thinking that you will shock you so hard with that testimony ;) 23:43 < daja77> well i have dealt with mac fanatics before ^^ 23:44 < esden> ohh ... is it really so bad? 23:44 < MadTux> hello esden 23:44 < esden> hi MadTux! *hug* 23:44 < daja77> esden: in the long run, yes 23:45 < esden> daja77: what is so bad about them? 23:45 < esden> daja77: be more precise please ... 23:45 < MadTux> esden: :) 23:45 < esden> daja77: I want to know what made you think so negative about people liking mac ... 23:45 * esden likes them ... not yet a fanatic ... 23:46 < daja77> the dumbest user i've ever met were mac users, no win luser reached such a level 23:46 < daja77> users 23:46 * esden is fighting with linux on some laptops ... getting everything working is a mess ... that is why I feel more and more attracted to mac 23:47 < esden> daja77: ohh ... oups ... interesting ... 23:47 * esden is the dumbest sbtw ;) 23:47 < daja77> hehehe 23:48 < daja77> yes drivers things sucks, but think twice, how nice macosx works with pc hw? 23:48 * esden -> mac user -> even more dumb -> dumber then the most dumb people on the world ;) 23:48 < esden> daja77: that is why one has to use mac laptops with mac os X 23:48 < esden> that really works 23:48 < esden> no messing around 23:49 < daja77> esden: you want to discuss this with rxr 23:49 < esden> o_O 23:49 < daja77> that's the old apple trick sell dedicated hw, write the drivers sell it and shine 23:50 < esden> daja77: he is using linux on his mac ... no wonder that he has to mess around ;) 23:50 < esden> daja77: sure ... and what is so wrong about it? 23:50 < daja77> he want to have linux on his mac 23:50 < esden> daja77: I will probably also have linux on my mac as second boot 23:51 < esden> but only when I have time to hack around with it ... 23:51 < esden> till then I want a working system ... 23:51 < daja77> that reminds me of buying a wlan card before 20c3 23:51 < esden> I really have no time for messing around with things ... 23:51 < daja77> me neither on my hw, rock just works ^^ 23:52 < esden> daja77: I will probably not get there ... 23:52 < daja77> why 23:52 < esden> ofyi 23:52 < esden> I had really hard months behind me ... 23:52 < esden> I need to really chill out ... 23:52 < esden> and I have still a mile long todo-list 23:53 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 23:53 -!- MadTux [~mike@ip140-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 23:53 < esden> I have to read something about 2000 pages full of specs and knowledge 23:53 < daja77> hmm ic 23:53 < esden> I hope you can understand that 23:53 < daja77> chill out would be nice for me too, but i promised too many ppl to come ^^ 23:53 < esden> re MadTux 23:53 < MadTux> re :) 23:53 < daja77> esden: sure 23:54 < esden> daja77: but I will think about it some more times before I decide finally 23:54 < daja77> good, good 23:54 < esden> perhups I will change my mind ... who knows 23:54 < daja77> we'll see 23:54 < esden> but currently I am in no mood for 20c3 23:55 < daja77> can't tell in what mood i am :) --- Log closed Don Dez 04 00:00:44 2003