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--- Log opened Mon Dec 29 00:00:26 2003 00:01 < mnemoc> how much time did he took? 00:01 < daja77> he was quite fast 00:02 < blindcoder> just a few minutes 00:02 < blindcoder> so maybe 10 minutes 00:03 < mnemoc> how many ppl? 00:03 < blindcoder> a LOT 00:03 < blindcoder> the room was _full_ 00:03 < mnemoc> cool 00:04 < mnemoc> and the previous? 20 minutes? 00:05 < mnemoc> what did they do the rest of their time? 00:05 < daja77> watching the show 00:06 * mnemoc wants to imagine it :( 00:07 * mnemoc will have to torture people to get the full picture :\ 00:07 < daja77> if mike would prepare somw webspace for me i could upload some images 00:08 < mnemoc> is mike there? 00:08 < daja77> no, he got no flight 00:08 < mnemoc> dammit 00:13 < netrunner> daja77: put the images on my server (44.244) and I'll put them on my home server. 00:14 < netrunner> daja77: oh, wait, you're not talking about jpeg-images but iso-images? ... too big ;) 00:16 < mnemoc> iso? you mpeged it? 00:19 < netrunner> mnemoc: I did not get if you were talking about iso or jpeg images ... iso would be to big, but I could put some jpegs on my server though ;) 00:20 < daja77> jpeg images 00:20 < tcr> hi all. how's c3 going, guys? 00:21 < mnemoc> netrunner: you asked if the images where iso or jpeg? then i got surprised with the 'iso' word because i understood iso as vcd 00:22 < netrunner> daja77: ok. you can directly upload them to ftp://waterworld.dyndns.org/incoming since I just noticed I have no incoming withme here. 00:22 < netrunner> mnemoc: no, more iso as in output of scripts/Create-ISO :) 00:23 < mnemoc> d'oh 00:27 < daja77> rofl 00:29 < blindcoder> test 00:29 < blindcoder> hmm... 00:29 < netrunner> blindcoder: failed. 00:29 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@82.130.43.248] has quit ("Heeey, heeey, I'll leave the world today") 00:29 < netrunner> oh :) scared him 00:30 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:31 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@82.130.43.248] has joined #rocklinux 00:31 < hannes_> hi snyke 00:32 < tcr> netrunner, Where do the pictures wait? 00:36 < snyke> hi hannes 00:37 < snyke> how's ccc? 00:37 < blindcoder> hisn 00:37 < blindcoder> hi snyke 00:37 < snyke> hi blindcoder 00:37 < snyke> eros died 00:37 < hannes_> snyke: real cool ;) 00:38 < snyke> but recovered 00:38 < hannes_> snyke: what?! 00:38 < blindcoder> died? as in "died by cutting an axe through it?" 00:38 < hannes_> snyke: what happens? was it the raid? 00:38 < snyke> yes 00:40 < hannes_> snyke: did you have any data loss? 00:41 < snyke> I don't know 00:41 < snyke> I didn't see anything missing until now 00:41 < hannes_> ok 00:44 < daja77> hmm images are huge, should use some sw before upload, watch out for 35mb netrunner 00:45 * daja77 using komqueror for ftp upload O_o 00:46 < tcr> Why so big? 00:46 < tcr> Please reduce the quality 00:46 < netrunner> tcr: I do that automatically. 00:47 < tcr> netrunner, Oh great... otherwise it would be a PITA to access them via browser :) 00:47 < netrunner> tcr: I know, and for my traffic ;) 01:03 < mnemoc> japan exports in 'culture' (manga, music, art) 3.5 times what it exports in technology <-- o_O 01:05 * blindcoder -> bed 01:06 < mnemoc> gn8 blindcoder 01:11 * daja77 taking more photos 01:12 -!- aktnot_ [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:22 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:24 < daja77> bye 01:24 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:37 < mnemoc> bye daja77 01:44 < netrunner> ah, my schwan is finished 01:47 < mnemoc> schwan?? 01:49 < netrunner> mnemoc: freeswan. swan sounds like the german swain "schwan" 01:49 < mnemoc> :-\ 01:50 < mnemoc> is schwan 2 +x509 +nat_traverse currently usable in production? 01:56 < netrunner> dunno ;) 01:57 * netrunner wanders what a natted production could be :) 02:00 < mnemoc> =) to go from your nated home to the nat firewall of your office ;) 03:09 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-124.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:17 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-013.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:32 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-243.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:56 < fake> phew 03:56 < fake> ... what a trip ... 03:56 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-124.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:05 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 04:14 < mnemoc> s/^coffee$//g :( 04:18 -!- aktnot_ [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:28 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-090.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 < mnemoc> great i found a 50g cute can of coffee :) 04:36 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-243.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:51 < mnemoc> where are you Mike1 when i have to work the whole night? :'( 05:28 < mnemoc> damn edonkey... it colapse my dlink router :\ 06:44 < mnemoc> &clear 07:00 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux 07:34 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M511P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 07:43 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-106.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:49 -!- nookie [~nookie@M466P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:51 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-090.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:14 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-082-082-084-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:57 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@82.130.43.248] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:57 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@82.130.43.200] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:59 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@82.130.43.248] has joined #rocklinux 10:13 -!- Freak [freak@helena2.bawue.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:47 -!- aktnot_ [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:50 < netrunner> moin 10:52 < mnemoc> moin netrunner 10:57 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:23 < praenti> moin 11:24 < mnemoc> moin praenti 11:25 < praenti> mnemoc: btw. because i had some discussion with rocklinux people last night, what is your opinion about comments and documentation in/of rocklinux scripts? 11:26 < praenti> is it too bad? odr can you work with the scripts in an acceptable way? 11:26 < praenti> s/odr/or 11:26 < mnemoc> --help are good enough 11:26 < mnemoc> for the scripts 11:27 < mnemoc> but documentation.... handbook is good but i see it in the middle 11:27 < mnemoc> not for newbies and not for 'involved' people 11:28 < mnemoc> the inconsistencies in scripts args can be confusing for 'newcomers' 11:29 < praenti> ok. the problem for some people is that changes/bugfixes in the scripts are a little bit difficult because on some parts the intention is unknown 11:29 < praenti> and if you have time pressure it is not possible to get deep in the code 11:30 < mnemoc> yep 11:31 < mnemoc> if you are not absolutly decided to get into rock you can't get into it. 11:31 < praenti> i think if we want to get more developers, we must allow also not high skilled people to help us 11:32 < mnemoc> sure... we need users to test stuff :) 11:32 < mnemoc> we can't use rock in 100% 11:32 < mnemoc> we assume it work for everybody 11:34 < mnemoc> the handbook is to fat for people 'just looking around', so they will never know what rock is and pass through :( 11:34 < mnemoc> no new users, no new testers, no new developers, and we keep a very reduced community for ever :'( 11:35 < praenti> hmm. thats a new side which supports my view 11:35 < mnemoc> the worse is that we don't answer feedback mails :( 11:36 < mnemoc> the very few feedback mails we got are almost all unanswerd 11:36 < mnemoc> and if you take a look, [RFC] mail are not answered neither 11:36 < praenti> i thought about more intentional comments in the scripts to allow people to develop for us. for a lot of developers it is very frustrating when you don't understand the code 11:38 < mnemoc> commented code *and* a complete description of the purpose and implementation of each script would be needed 11:38 < praenti> hmm. ok thats also true. for example it is difficult for me to answer some mails, because I don't understand it really what rock does really 11:38 < praenti> and i don't want to give a false answer 11:39 < praenti> but i think, that we can discuss that with a real concept not before german Linuxtag 11:40 < mnemoc> 1. "i fear to answer wrong" 2. "i'm too busy, somebodyelse will answer" 11:40 < praenti> because i want to have a concept for this. that means for me, that i have to take a look on successfully working open source projects 11:41 < praenti> how they are organized and how they communicate 11:41 < praenti> ohh. second point is interesting to solve... 11:41 < mnemoc> i think we must document somekind of architectonic design of rock 11:41 < mnemoc> and a FAQ 11:42 < mnemoc> are we the only real opensource project without one? 11:43 < praenti> mnemoc: the point is that i'm a little afraid that ROCK Linux Project will die, cause of frustration of some developers and i can't see new ones 11:43 < mnemoc> i feel that too 11:44 < mnemoc> after 2.0.0 we will need to focus on 'what newbies can need to get interested in rock' 11:44 < praenti> the concept is great and it would be pity to let it die, because we don't have anough developers... 11:44 < mnemoc> and what make them run away :'( 11:45 < mnemoc> can u ask clifford for an statistic about subscribe/unsubcribe to the ML= 11:45 < mnemoc> ? 11:45 < praenti> mnemoc: good idea. i will do that, if he arrives here 11:45 < praenti> s/if/when 11:46 < mnemoc> i'm convised the run away in panic after the first [PATCH] flood they get 11:47 < praenti> that is a point we already discussed. as i understand cillford and rene we will do a ML split in developer-list and user-list 11:48 < praenti> but development discussion should be more on user-list. developer-list is only for patching stuff and perhaps some implemention stuff and so an 11:49 < mnemoc> yes... that must be a compromise 11:49 < praenti> user should also get development discussion, perhaps we have there new developers... 11:49 < mnemoc> we are 20 guys :) 11:50 < mnemoc> if someone want to get mnore involved he *will* subscribe to rock-devel 11:50 < praenti> yepp 11:50 < starlord> how you guys talked about using diffrent scripting beside bash scripts? 11:51 < mnemoc> ehm... please no 11:51 < praenti> starlord: rock should be buildable on nearly every linux system 11:51 < praenti> starlord: and not every system has perl or s.th. similar installed 11:51 < mnemoc> currently a rock-devel must learn bash, sed and grep 11:52 < mnemoc> perl takes too long to start 11:52 < starlord> yep,for that in mind,bash is good choice 11:52 < mnemoc> and the code will turn into egyptian *very* fast 11:53 < praenti> mnemoc: thx. the talk helps me a lot to build an argumentation 11:53 < mnemoc> good luck :) 11:53 < praenti> mnemoc: perhaps we can optimize this things 11:54 < mnemoc> faq and wiki can help a lot too 11:54 * praenti now looking around in the hackcenter 11:55 < starlord> how about real forum? current one isn't *very* good :) 11:55 < mnemoc> my dna force me to avoid forums 11:56 < mnemoc> i _can't_ (dna) 'navegate' to see what ppl said about something :( 11:58 < mnemoc> but there are projects like gmane that merge ML/nntp/webinterface 11:59 < mnemoc> and anyone can use the method he prefers 12:01 < starlord> hmm,where can i find good svn tutorial? i need to have list of file's that i have locally modified? 12:05 < mnemoc> the unwritten idea is to have two trees 12:05 < mnemoc> (rock's idea) 12:06 < starlord> hmm,how do you sync those two? 12:06 < mnemoc> one tree pure, and the other modified 12:06 < mnemoc> you svn up over both 12:06 < starlord> ah,ofcourse 12:06 < mnemoc> and you can use ./scripts/Create-Diff 12:07 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-Diff ../rock-ref . | lsdiff 12:07 < mnemoc> or ./scripts/Create-Diff ../rock-ref . package/base/iproute2 12:29 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 12:36 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ("Leaving") 12:46 -!- aktnot_ [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:06 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:06 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 13:09 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD90056E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:11 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD90056E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:15 -!- nookie [~nookie@M477P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 -!- blahger [~bear@adsl-22-23.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M511P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:22 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:27 -!- blahger [~bear@adsl-22-23.swiftdsl.com.au] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 13:28 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-106.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:28 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-210.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:55 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 14:04 < mnemoc> bbl... enjoy the last hours of the congress =) 14:11 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-210.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 14:15 < daja77> *gna* 14:38 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-059.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:38 < rolla> re 14:42 < daja77> hi rolla 14:42 < daja77> netrunner: ping 14:44 < rolla> hallo daja77 14:45 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux 15:16 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802E1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:33 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802C46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:41 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-059.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:48 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-059.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:01 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-116.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:07 -!- aktnot [~ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:08 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-059.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 16:15 < daja77> waah blindy your double screensaver hurts 16:15 < daja77> :) 16:16 < blindcoder> daja77: gomen >_< 16:16 < daja77> *gg* 16:19 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.250] has joined #rocklinux 16:19 < MadTux> hi. 16:20 < daja77> MadTux! 16:20 < MadTux> hello daja77. 16:31 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ("Client exited") 16:36 < rolla> re 16:37 < MadTux> Joel! 16:37 < rolla> Mike 16:43 < daja77> netrunne1: ping 16:54 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:08 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-116.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Connection refused) 17:19 -!- aktnot_ [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:04 * rolla yawns 18:04 * MadTux yawns back 18:16 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-163.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:17 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@82.130.43.248] has quit ("Heeey, heeey, I'll leave the world today") 18:56 < nookie> MadTux! 18:58 < rolla> mmm lunch time 19:00 < MadTux> n00kie! 19:52 < mnemoc> re 19:52 < MadTux> mnemoc, :) 19:52 < mnemoc> MadTux: :) 19:52 < mnemoc> where have you been 19:52 < mnemoc> ? 19:52 < MadTux> my router is broken is have inet ;-/ 19:53 < MadTux> so i have no inet * 19:53 < MadTux> .o0(god what is going on with me today) 19:54 < mnemoc> define broken 19:54 < MadTux> IOS flashed.. 19:54 < MadTux> and mother board demaged (i think) 19:59 < mnemoc> ouch :( 19:59 < MadTux> yes.. 20:00 < MadTux> currently i'm at a internet cafe... this is... this just sucks.. 20:01 < mnemoc> rotfl 20:01 < MadTux> u are mean :( 20:02 < MadTux> anyways i'm off now, lunch calls :) 20:02 < MadTux> see u tonight 20:02 -!- elon [~moep2k@82.130.39.151] has joined #rocklinux 20:02 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.250] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 20:29 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-005.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:37 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-061.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-005.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:47 -!- elon [~moep2k@82.130.39.151] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:48 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-193.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:50 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-021.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 21:09 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-061.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:16 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M343P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:22 -!- nookie [~nookie@M477P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:37 < mnemoc> *yawn* 21:41 < mnemoc> hace cuanto que no agregan un quote nuevo? 21:41 < mnemoc> oops 21:41 < mnemoc> wrong window 21:41 < mnemoc> sorry :( 21:42 < mnemoc> !quote 1495 21:43 < mnemoc> aaarg 21:43 -!- mnemoc is now known as __mnemoc 21:58 -!- aktnot_ [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:00 -!- aktnot [ident@233.80-202-65.nextgentel.com] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 -!- k3t__ [k3t@pD9005718.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:40 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD90056E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAF41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:54 < tcr> moin all 22:56 < rolla> re tcr 23:22 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux --- Log closed Tue Dec 30 00:24:45 2003