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--- Log opened Fri Jan 09 00:00:17 2004 --- Day changed Fri Jan 09 2004 00:00 -!- dsoul [darksoul@www.offspring.art.pl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:13 -!- LSD_user [~drakox15@sanpedro-a588.racsa.co.cr] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:15 < jsaw> re 00:25 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 00:45 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 01:01 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-177.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:17 -!- eof_ [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 01:17 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 01:17 -!- eof_ is now known as A-Tui_ 01:18 -!- A-Tui_ is now known as A-Tui 01:20 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522790.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 01:20 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-226.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-064.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:39 -!- Gogle [~chatzilla@customer-148-233-85-130.uninet.net.mx] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.49 [Mozilla rv:1.5/0]") 01:42 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-177.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:06 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 02:16 -!- TmysterT [~TChatz@h00609766cc76.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #rocklinux 02:18 -!- TmysterT [~TChatz@h00609766cc76.ne.client2.attbi.com] has left #rocklinux () 03:06 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M268P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:14 < mnemoc> *yawn* 03:22 -!- nookie [~nookie@M265P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:32 < A-Tui> mnemoc, ping? 03:33 < mnemoc> pong 03:33 < mnemoc> A-Tui: here 03:33 < A-Tui> mnemoc, how i must add the [c] category to a port 03:34 < A-Tui> i must do it manually 03:35 < mnemoc> a port? 03:35 < A-Tui> mmm well a new package 03:35 < mnemoc> there is a list of valid [C]s on Documentation/Developsomething 03:35 < A-Tui> [C] <- [COPY] 03:35 < A-Tui> i read that there is a script who add it 03:36 < mnemoc> Documentation/Developers/PKG-CATEGORIES 03:36 < mnemoc> [C] <--- category 03:37 < mnemoc> the script is to help when the categories list changes importantly 03:37 < A-Tui> yes, i was wrong, i refered to [COPY] 03:37 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch 03:37 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has quit ("Leaving") 03:38 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch package/a-tui/ 03:38 < A-Tui> ok 03:39 < mnemoc> that will generate copy.patch for you 03:57 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 04:02 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:03 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #rocklinux 04:12 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD9506982.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:21 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506988.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:35 < jsaw_> mnemoc: did u had a chance to test pppoe? 04:35 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw 04:39 -!- mistik1_ [wlan_misti@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:41 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:02 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-2inigd1.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 05:04 -!- sten [~sten@d64-180-31-51.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:07 -!- mistik1_ is now known as mistik1 05:17 -!- Topic unset by sten on #rocklinux 05:17 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 05:17 < sten> oops, tooltips aren't enabled for my irc gui 05:17 -!- sten [~sten@d64-180-31-51.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ("asdf") 05:31 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail@p213.54.218.5.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:32 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.248.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:29 -!- Q01 [joe@12-218-34-154.client.mchsi.com] has joined #rocklinux 06:30 < Q01> Hello people. :-) 06:42 < Q01> I take it you folks use rock linux ? 06:56 < netrunner> sure :) 06:56 < netrunner> moin btw 06:56 < owl> moin 06:57 < Q01> Sorry, moin ? (wish I knew more human languages) 06:57 < Q01> :-) 06:57 < netrunner> Q01: short for good morning :) 06:57 < owl> hehe. it's northern german slang - which means something like "hi" :p 06:58 < owl> netrunner: wrong. not good morning, but "hi" :pü 06:58 < owl> -ü 06:58 < Q01> Ah, Good morning! :-) 06:58 < owl> :p hi Q01 06:58 < netrunner> owl: ok, but I use it instead of moang, since not everybody here speeks bavarian :) 06:58 < owl> hehe. yeah :p 06:58 < Q01> You know, I think the only German I know is "mach schnell" which, would be a pretty useless thing to know if I ever went there. 06:58 < netrunner> Q01: I suppose you're in a different tz? ;) 06:58 < owl> aaaaargh.!!! someone has stolen my big sun-cup! *boooook* 06:59 * netrunner making coffee 06:59 < Q01> Yea, I'm in the states. 07:00 < Q01> I've been trying to gather some info on Rock Linux, looks really interesting! 07:00 < owl> !whois Q01 ? 07:01 < Q01> A pre-newbie I guess. 07:01 < owl> .oO(1-litre of hot apple tea - wounderful *smile*) 07:01 < owl> hehe - ok ;) still using windows? 07:01 < Q01> No! :-) 07:01 < owl> *g* but? ;p 07:01 < Q01> From slackware/redhat background. :-) 07:01 < owl> *hrhr* "newbie", eh? *kick* 07:02 < Q01> Well, newbie to Rock Linux. 07:02 < owl> ok :p 07:02 < Q01> If I download and try it, will it complain about old headers and stuff? (or worse, nuke my home direcotries and /usr/local /var/local etc...) ? 07:03 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-226.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:03 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-231.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:04 < netrunner> Q01: nope, it is self compiling with several stages. 07:04 < netrunner> Q01: you just need a recent bash, and some other tools. 07:04 < netrunner> Q01: everything is compiled in a chroot below build/ 07:05 < netrunner> Q01: nothing touches your real / if you use the correct commands :) 07:05 < Q01> Hmm.. so it downloads the new libraries, headers and such? 07:06 < Q01> You'll laugh if I tell you I'm planning on building/running it on a 200mhz (yes, that's an 'm') Pentium. 07:08 < Q01> Is it ~6:00AM there? 07:08 < netrunner> nope, 07:10am 07:08 < Q01> (hoping I didn't make anyone spit out their coffee laughing at my machine) :-) 07:08 < owl> https://www.owlpages.com/species/bubo/philippensis/pictures/phil_eagle1_da.jpg << if someone is interested in my current look, btw *g* 07:09 < netrunner> Q01: np, :) it takes a really long time on such a slow machine, but it works. 07:09 < netrunner> Q01: maybe you would like instead one of the prebuilt iso images? (iso.rocklinux.de iirc) 07:09 < Q01> Hmm.. wonder if the 2038 bug will get exposed before it finishes building? :-) 07:10 < netrunner> don't think so. I guess you'd need 2 weeks, maybe 3 07:10 < Q01> netrunner: I was thinking about that. (One of the decissions) 07:10 < netrunner> for a full generic build. but there is also mimimal package selection ... 07:10 < Q01> Thats what I want, very minimal and let me build stuff as I need it. 07:11 < netrunner> the stuff that takes the longest time are big packages as gnome and kde. 07:11 < netrunner> Q01: so go ahead, use the minimal package selection template and add what you'd like. you just need to be careful about dependencies maybe. 07:11 < Q01> Ah, thats one advantage, no X11 (as far as I know, but some libraries might be needed?) 07:12 < netrunner> there's also a minimal+x11 template ;) 07:13 < Q01> So if it runs chrooted, and supports a "cluster", can I build part of it on another (ancient redhat) machine? Or, does that take special cluster software? (other than rsh) 07:13 < Q01> s/runs chrooted/builds chrooted/ 07:13 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2iveogp.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #rocklinux 07:15 < Q01> owl: That looks like a VERY alert owl! :-) 07:15 < netrunner> Q01: I only use local cluster (smp machine). but you could nfs mount and start a node on the rh machine using the supplied script. 07:16 < owl> Q01: sure. i'm at work, have overslept, it's 07:18, still 7 hours to sit here --> wonderful *cough* *cough* :p 07:17 < Q01> :-( 07:21 < Q01> 2 more questions.. does the finished distribution respect the /var/local /usr/local and /home conventions? and.. if can I pause the build (maybe doing the NFS stuff for the redhat) and resume on 2 machines?) I guess the biggie concern is the /usr/local, opt/local /var/local and /home stuff. 07:23 < netrunner> Q01: nothing is installed to *local* 07:24 < Q01> Very cool, -whew- that was the biggest concern. 07:24 < netrunner> Q01: everything goes with the fhs (or however the acronym was ;) 07:25 < Q01> Cool. :-) 07:26 < netrunner> Q01: pausing is not really implemented, but you can abort a build, that package will fail and can be rebuilt on the second machine when you restart your build-node there. 07:26 < Q01> Thanks a lot for putting together the distro. 07:26 < netrunner> Q01: it's a distribution build kit, please ;) 07:27 < Q01> hehe OK! :-) Guess it's kind of a new way of looking at it. :-) 07:27 < netrunner> Q01: what the thing you get out afterwards depends on your target and config :) 07:27 < Q01> I assume the package manager keeps track of filenames and where they went, etc, etc? 07:27 * netrunner just reads that munich starts in early 2004 to move it's servers and clients to linux (the government) 07:28 < netrunner> Q01: sure :) you even have nice info about installed packages in /var/adm/{flists,packages,...} 07:28 < Q01> Did you guys consider using XML for the package management? (Just curious if the topic were bounced around) 07:29 < netrunner> Q01: and if you compile a foreign package, you can easy create a package out of it by issuing "mkpkg packagename make install" instead of "make install" 07:30 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-2inigd1.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 07:30 < Q01> Hmm.. so, I can download apache, compile it *my way*, and have the package mgmt track it all? (very, very cool) 07:31 < Q01> I was always "going to get disciplined" and do everything with RPM to track it all, but.. creating RPM's is a pain. 07:31 < netrunner> Q01: yes i know :) but we also supply a rpm package for masochists :) 07:32 * netrunner now off for uni, farewell Q01, hope to see you back here soon! 07:32 < owl> bye netrunner 07:33 < Q01> Bye netrunner. :-) Thanx! 08:17 -!- zenlunatic [~zen@user-2iveogp.dialup.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 08:23 < netrunner> re 08:24 < owl> wb 08:24 < netrunner> this network lecture is so boring. but software engineering is equal but w/o wlan :) 08:25 < owl> hoeh? 08:27 < netrunner> owl: specify 'hoeh?' 08:28 < owl> w/o --> hoeh???? 08:29 < Q01> Hmm... is there a document that explains "package selection" ? 08:30 < netrunner> the room where sweng is has wlan only with vpn, and I do not have a recent key. here it is (almost) open 08:30 < owl> *rofl* the "corvus corax" audio-cd contains a game for pc 08:30 < netrunner> Q01: a package selection rule consists of an X to select, a space and then a pattern that matches sth like packagename or repositoryname. 08:31 < netrunner> Q01: eg. X avm to select all my packages :) 08:31 < netrunner> Q01: or X netcat to select netcat 08:31 < Q01> Hmm... 08:32 < Q01> Could I supply a text file some place with a list of packages I want? 08:32 < Q01> (or does it need to be a pattern?) 08:32 < netrunner> Q01: sure. look in the desktop target: target/desktop/config.in 08:33 < Q01> Browsing.. 08:34 < owl> someone knows how i can use samba (3.0.1) with win xp? 08:35 < netrunner> owl: cygwin? 08:35 < owl> nah. i meant using samba from linux-pc and connect to an fscking win-xp (prof) machine 08:35 < Q01> Can I edit config/default/packages ? 08:36 < netrunner> owl: smbclient, smbmount ... 08:36 < owl> yeah, thought so, too... but it doesn't work... 08:36 < netrunner> owl: mount //host/share /mnt/blubb -o username=owl,password=secret 08:36 < owl> NT_ << failure 08:38 < Q01> I'm not a windows guy, but is webDAV an option? 08:38 < netrunner> wonderful. the prof said my comment is wrong, just to explain it as a special feature minutes later 08:39 < netrunner> Q01: for what? 08:39 < Q01> instead of Samba. 08:39 < Q01> (I Don't know owl's requirements, if it has to be samba or not) 08:39 < owl> dunno? what is webDAV? 08:40 < owl> i just backed up some files to my boyfriends 2nd-machine (which is fscking winxp) 08:40 < Q01> It's a filesystem implemented over web servers. Supposed to work good on Windows. (I've only briefly used it on a mac <-> linux) 08:40 < netrunner> Q01: she want's to connect to a xp machine :) 08:41 < Q01> Yea, I know. :-( but, I've just heard windows does DAV as well. 08:41 < netrunner> owl: have you tried to authenticate against the xp? 08:41 -!- LinuxDude [~kev@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 08:41 < owl> hrm. alternatively i could install ssh for windows and scp the files *thinking* 08:41 < owl> netrunner: yeah. sure. 08:41 < owl> hi LinuxDude 08:41 < netrunner> owl: what is the error? 08:42 < LinuxDude> for building rock i need the 3 iso's? 08:42 < netrunner> LinuxDude: for building rock you need a gcc, bash and some other tools. 08:42 < owl> NT_LOGON_FAILURE i guess - i don't have the exact failure-message in my mind 08:42 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i see iso's on the website :/ 08:43 < netrunner> owl: so either you supplied wrong user/pw, or the share is not public. try to connect as admin to the //host/c$ or something 08:44 < netrunner> LinuxDude: those are precompiled installable ROCKLinux targets. To build rock yourself, you only need a small set of tools as you can read in the handbook. 08:44 < owl> already did - and passwd was temporary set to something very easy --> impossible to do typos :-( and share is public 08:44 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i need a seperate partition to? 08:44 < netrunner> owl: are the ntfs rights set to everyone full access? (besides the cfs share settings) 08:45 < netrunner> LinuxDude: not for building. even not for installing, but makes more sense ;) 08:45 < LinuxDude> i cant on that handbook on the website 08:46 < netrunner> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html 08:46 < LinuxDude> k 08:46 < netrunner> (the pdf version seems to have access right problem) 08:47 < owl> netrunner: hmmmmm. thx. will test this tonight... ;) 08:47 < LinuxDude> anyway, i want to try it, i only have 3 partitions, how should i do that 08:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: be aware that building generic needs lots of space (~6G iirc) 08:49 < LinuxDude> netrunner: well that doesnt matter, i got 40 08:49 < LinuxDude> but i dont know where to start heh 08:51 < netrunner> LinuxDude: depends if you want to build yourself or just install. 08:52 < LinuxDude> netrunner: build myself 08:52 < netrunner> LinuxDude: to build, you need to fetch the sources with subversion. The best is to read the handbook, everything is written there. 08:53 < netrunner> (at least almost ;) 08:53 < Q01> LinuxDude: I'm playing with it too. :-) I dl'ded rock-src-2.0.0-rc4.tar.bz2 08:53 < LinuxDude> netrunner: but i think i cant building it on my linux partition right? 08:53 < LinuxDude> thats cool Q01 08:54 < Q01> Still trying to grok selecting packages though :-/ 08:54 < LinuxDude> Q01: ya had a apart partition? 08:54 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you do not need one, everything will be chrooted anyway. 08:55 < Q01> From what I've read, it builds, then creates the ISO, and you install the ISO as a distro? 08:56 < netrunner> Q01: that is the 'standard' way. 08:57 < Q01> Is it "safe" to just go ahead and supply my own config/default/packages file? or is sed expressions required, or another way? 08:57 < netrunner> Q01: after building you also have the root of the new system with all packages installed under build/yourconfig/root. I once nfs booted that on another pc. 08:58 < netrunner> Q01: best is to modify an existing one, like the one from desktop. 08:58 < Q01> Hmm... but it's safe to just edit in a text editor? (build system isn't going to recreate it from sed expressions is it?) 08:59 < netrunner> Q01: that's ok :) parts of the config are rewritten, like the package list, but not the selection rules. 08:59 < Q01> Oh, you mean simply copy all the stuff from target/desktop to config/$CONF_NAME ? 08:59 < netrunner> nope 09:00 < Q01> So, package list *is* rebuilt. Hmm.. 09:01 < owl> *GRRRRRRRRr* 09:01 < LinuxDude> netrunner: it sounds complicated 09:01 < netrunner> owl: fetch the bone! ;) 09:02 < owl> fetch the DB-bosses, would be fitting better 09:02 < netrunner> LinuxDude: best is for the beginning to use scripts/Config and then add some custom package selection rules to the menupoint 09:02 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i still dont know what to download, i only see iso's there 09:03 < Q01> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/ 09:03 < netrunner> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/rock-src-2.0.0-rc4.tar.bz2 09:04 < LinuxDude> k 09:05 < LinuxDude> netrunner: so i have to unpacking it on my gentoo's root partition right? 09:08 < netrunner> LinuxDude: to a directory you like :) 09:08 < LinuxDude> oki i should use root then 09:11 < LinuxDude> now i did ./scripts/Config 09:11 < LinuxDude> looks like a very nice proces to learn stuff 09:12 < LinuxDude> netrunner: desktop rock linux should be a nice choice? 09:16 < LinuxDude> The distribution you are building ROCK Linux on should also be ROCK Linux. 09:16 < LinuxDude> It is also possible to build ROCK Linux on other distributions, but don't expect 09:16 < LinuxDude> it to work without some hacking ... 09:16 < LinuxDude> netrunner: eh? 09:18 -!- dsoul [darksoul@www.offspring.art.pl] has joined #rocklinux 09:19 < netrunner> LinuxDude: it means you need recent versions of some tools. if you get errors, you can ask here :) 09:19 < LinuxDude> hmmm 09:19 < LinuxDude> netrunner: 09:19 < LinuxDude> well 09:19 < LinuxDude> the first step i should do is scripts/Download -all' 09:19 < netrunner> LinuxDude: since some time you are not strictly bound to devfs any more, that was an requirement earlier. 09:20 < LinuxDude> yeah i heard that to 09:20 < netrunner> LinuxDude: if you use desktop, a scripts/Download -required suffices. 09:20 < LinuxDude> bash-2.05b# scripts/Download -required suffices 09:20 < LinuxDude> INFO: Found cached mirror URL in download/Mirror: 09:20 < LinuxDude> INFO: https://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ROCK/ROCK-2.0 09:20 < LinuxDude> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove download/Mirror. 09:20 < LinuxDude> Downloading download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.23.tar.bz2 ... 09:21 < LinuxDude> can i dont use 2.6.1? 09:21 < netrunner> LinuxDude: that suffices was part of my sentence :) 09:21 < netrunner> LinuxDude: 2.6 will also be built. 09:21 < LinuxDude> so i can choose 09:24 < owl> someone could answer me this question, please: where the fsck have i to pay the "verwaltungsgebuehr" for a "fahrpreisnacherhebung"? 09:25 < LinuxDude> netrunner: btw hes downloading stuff where are those tarballs located? 09:26 < netrunner> read it's output. he uses the closest mirror he can find. 09:27 < LinuxDude> i mean he download and put them in / ? 09:27 < netrunner> owl: just don't. they'll ask you to do if you don't. just my guess :) 09:27 < netrunner> LinuxDude: nope, to download/ 09:27 < LinuxDude> ah 09:27 < LinuxDude> ok 09:29 < owl> netrunner: not really... i would have to pay 40 EUR, then... and if i show them my valid (!!!) ticket, i normally just have to pay 7 EUR (verwaltungsgebuehren) 09:29 < owl> --> problem: 3 people from DB, 3 answers... 09:30 < netrunner> owl: go to your favourite station, let them give you a paper that you showed it, and if somebody asks the 40 from you just show him the paper :) 09:32 < owl> netrunner: haha. i was in weichering, in munich... still not in IN... 09:32 < owl> .oO(they are such stupid assholes, you can't imagine) 09:32 < LinuxDude> netrunner: we have to create iso's to? 09:33 < LinuxDude> netrunner: i guess my system dont boots my gentoo system is fucked to? :) 09:36 < netrunner> owl: best is, as with the gov, to do everything by letters. or have papers signed so you can proove your position. 09:36 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can. 09:37 < owl> hmmm. yeah... 09:37 < LinuxDude> i hope it works man 09:37 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-239.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:38 < holyolli> moin 09:38 < owl> moin holyolli 09:38 < holyolli> tach owl 09:38 < LinuxDude> netrunner: what ya mean whit step 6 : creating an iso? 09:39 < netrunner> LinuxDude: in step 6, you can create an iso. :) 09:39 < netrunner> hi holyolli 09:39 < LinuxDude> not needed, right? 09:39 < LinuxDude> 'you can' 09:40 < holyolli> hi netrunner 09:40 < netrunner> LinuxDude: but comfortable :) 09:40 < LinuxDude> damn, cd-writer dont works 09:41 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can move the build/yourconfig/root/* to a fresh partition and use it as your / 09:41 < netrunner> (you could even mount that partition to build/yourconf/root before starting the build :) 09:42 < LinuxDude> errr, lemme say i only have a /boot, / and swap 09:42 * netrunner has never tried that and does not know if it works. 09:42 < LinuxDude> im not building it yet so some help before building would be great 09:42 < netrunner> LinuxDude: so you cannot use your / as you would destroy your host system :) 09:43 < LinuxDude> shit 09:43 < LinuxDude> so its impossible to installing it then 09:43 < netrunner> LinuxDude: shrink your / part and create a new partition :) 09:43 < LinuxDude> i never worked whit qtparted before 09:43 < netrunner> LinuxDude: without creating cd's it's a bit tricky :) 09:43 * netrunner neither 09:44 < LinuxDude> i better should whait then :/ 09:44 < LinuxDude> netrunner: is it ez doing same install whit floppys? 09:44 < netrunner> LinuxDude: I could think of another way ... 09:45 < LinuxDude> wich way? :) 09:45 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can boot the initrd of the bootdisk from your hd, then manually remove everything from your / except the rock-linux dir, then install everything. that 'should' work :) 09:46 < LinuxDude> and i dont have inet then 09:46 < LinuxDude> because my /etc is in / to 09:46 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can move it to eg /old :) 09:47 < LinuxDude> i will cping it 09:47 < netrunner> LinuxDude: use mv. if you do not have a clean /, you'll get a mixed system :) 09:48 < LinuxDude> netrunner: but if its failed i dont get a working system anymore 09:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you can move it back. 09:48 < LinuxDude> not if i cant boot my system :) 09:48 < LinuxDude> because i have to reboot 09:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: when you just cp it, then install over the old, you get a bad mixture. 09:48 < netrunner> LinuxDude: do not delete your /boot where the initrd is and everything is fine 09:49 < LinuxDude> my /boot is in / to 09:49 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you see, there _is_ a reason why one should have /boot in a seperate partition :) 09:49 < LinuxDude> yeah... 09:49 < LinuxDude> i agree'ing now 09:49 < netrunner> LinuxDude: but the same applies. just do not move your /boot away :) 09:50 < LinuxDude> errr, so complicated 09:50 < LinuxDude> lol 09:50 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you make it complicated by refusing to burn cds :) 09:50 < LinuxDude> errr tells me how many isos i need plz 09:50 < LinuxDude> i hope not all of them 09:51 < LinuxDude> because i got download restrictions 09:51 < netrunner> LinuxDude: for desktop it's 2 iirc. minimal fits on a half :) 09:51 < LinuxDude> netrunner: and for a minimal install? 09:53 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you always need all cds of a build, since packets are distributed alphabetically over the cds. linux kernel typically is on the 2nd. 09:53 < netrunner> LinuxDude: if you have a minimal build, it would fit on 1 cd and therefore you only need 1 :) 09:55 < LinuxDude> 1 cd eh 09:55 < LinuxDude> whitout X then 09:55 < netrunner> there's also a minimal+X, but I dunno how many cds it uses. owl? 09:56 < LinuxDude> compiling X isnt bad 09:56 < LinuxDude> after im using rock 09:56 < LinuxDude> give me that link plz :) 09:56 < netrunner> what link? 09:57 < LinuxDude> the iso link 09:57 < LinuxDude> minimal installation 09:58 < netrunner> hehe, I do not know if anybody has one available. though I could build you one, would be finished on sunday perhaps. 09:58 < LinuxDude> ok 09:58 < LinuxDude> thats cool 09:58 < netrunner> damnit, forgot to boot my build server this morning :/ 09:58 < LinuxDude> anywa need to go 09:58 < owl> hrgrmpf. this gnucash-cvs-server is slooooooooooooow 09:58 < netrunner> LinuxDude: what cputype do you have? 09:58 < LinuxDude> p4 09:59 < LinuxDude> brb 10:02 < netrunner> LinuxDude: blindcoder could have up to date isos for that. ask him (on the ml perhaps) 10:03 < netrunner> LinuxDude: we did them for the congress. 10:05 < Q01> Hmm... I did "configure" but... I'd really like to find a text file to edit or something so it doesn't download and build a lot of packages. If I can't tweak conf/$Config_Name/packages can I tweak packages.txt ? 10:06 < netrunner> Q01: use a minimal package selection template (in the scripts/Config). then scripts/Download -required 10:06 < netrunner> Q01: it will then only download the minimal amount of packages :) 10:07 < rxr> re 10:07 < netrunner> hi rxr, read the mail about the handbook.pdf? 10:08 < holyolli> moin rxr 10:08 < rxr> netrunner: just arrived at home ... 10:10 < netrunner> rxr: ah, ok. it gives a forbidden :) 10:11 < Q01> Hmm.... I'm really curious about how it goes about the process of selecting them in the first place. 10:11 < owl> BWAAAAAAH!!! how loud can someone talk?! ~!#.$a$$ 10:12 < netrunner> owl: apparently as loud as you can write. 10:13 < owl> nah. i'm having my soundcard quite loud (1/2 of pcm and 1/2 of master) - and still can hear him talking 10:14 < LinuxDude> ya all developers in here? 10:14 < netrunner> owl: try muting your soundcard, maybe that helps :) 10:15 < netrunner> LinuxDude: what is a developer? I just developed a certain amount of hunger :) 10:15 < owl> nah *g* it's outside of the PC :p 10:15 < LinuxDude> netrunner: well ya know ... rock developers 10:15 < owl> noise done by my "beloved project manager" called "marcel" --> someone who can only do one thing well - asking dumb questions 10:16 < LinuxDude> netrunner: if i want to take a risc, can i just doing it right now? on my / ? :-) 10:19 < owl> "schizophrener projectmanager"? -- talking to himself! O_o 10:19 < netrunner> LinuxDude: you have to build it first anyway. just do not try and simply move the build/root/* to /, that would to bad :) 10:24 < Q01> Hmm.. "minimal" includes DIETLIBC? (Do I need this?) 10:26 < rxr> netrunner: just fixing the handbook access right problem 10:27 < rxr> LinuxDude: nope - only a few ROCK developers are around here 10:28 < LinuxDude> ok 10:28 < LinuxDude> brb 10:30 -!- LinuxDude [~kev@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:31 < rxr> netrunner: fixed 10:31 < rxr> should work now 10:35 -!- LinuxDude [~kev@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 10:39 < holyolli> rxr: btw. got my mail with the correct patch? 10:46 < rxr> jups 10:47 < holyolli> sorry for the error in the first one.. 10:59 < jsaw> re for a couple of seconds 11:00 < jsaw> rxr: povray35 cksum seems to be back to rev 1872... this looks really strange! 11:03 < jsaw> rxr: download location for sirkull/clamav: https://download.sf.net/clamav/ 11:04 < owl> wb jsaw 11:04 < jsaw> hi owl 11:04 < jsaw> but I have to disappear now again... 11:04 < rxr> jsaw: thanks 11:04 < rxr> jsaw: cu 11:05 * jsaw has to run to work now 11:05 < jsaw> cu tonight! 11:05 < holyolli> cu jsaw 11:05 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD9506982.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 11:06 -!- nookie [~nookie@M304P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:07 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080269C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:07 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:08 < clifford> *rotfl* -> https://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp 11:08 < owl> hi clifford 11:09 < rxr> hi clifford 11:09 < holyolli> hi clifford 11:09 < rxr> clifford: noticed this days ago .. 11:10 < clifford> hi all. 11:10 < rxr> would submitting this as user link raise our google rank even further? ;-) 11:10 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F694.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:10 < clifford> hmmm.... ;-) 11:12 < clifford> done. 11:12 < clifford> with the title "ROTFL: Microsoft tells us the truth about Linux ..." 11:13 < rxr> ;-) 11:19 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-062-062.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:20 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802648.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:21 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M268P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:24 < praenti> hi 11:26 < owl> hi praenti 11:28 < clifford> hi "obstli" ;-) 11:28 < praenti> obstli? 11:29 < praenti> i only know obsti, cause everybody say that to me... 11:29 < praenti> but obstli... 11:29 < clifford> we did talk about that on ccc - u remember? 11:29 < praenti> :-) 11:29 < holyolli> hi praenti 11:29 < Q01> Is dietlibc just used for rescue/boot disks, or will all of it have to be linked with it? 11:30 < praenti> ahh. ok. i think i remember 11:31 < praenti> i hope that i have enough time next week to test a little bit submaster :-) 11:32 < praenti> i will write my first exam in about 12 days :-( 11:34 < praenti> and on 19th we have to organize a demonstration against the savings in the education... 11:34 -!- kasc [~kasc@dsl-213-023-062-144.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:34 < holyolli> in bremen there were already a lot of demonstrations and 'streiks' 11:36 < clifford> https://www.nluug.nl/events/sane2004/ .. I've now sent an abstract about sumbaster. If they accept it, I will also do a BOF on ROCK Linux. 11:36 < praenti> ok. i will leave now for hunting some lunch in the mensa. 11:36 -!- LinuxDude [~kev@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has quit (Connection timed out) 11:37 < praenti> cu later 11:37 < holyolli> cu praenti 11:41 < rxr> ;cu 11:53 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801E57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:55 < daja77> moin 11:55 < owl> moin 11:58 < daja77> hi owl 12:00 < holyolli> moin daja77 12:05 * mnemoc hate CLIP developer :\ 12:05 < daja77> clip? 12:05 < mnemoc> moin daja77, owl, holyloli 12:05 < daja77> hi mnemoc 12:05 < daja77> *notetoneverhugmnemocagain* 12:06 < mnemoc> :) 12:06 < mnemoc> brb 12:15 < holyolli> moin mnemoc 12:21 -!- LinuxDude [~kevin@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 13:02 < holyolli> cya 13:02 -!- LinuxDude [~kevin@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:02 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-239.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 13:12 < netrunne1> re 13:12 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 13:40 < Q01> Grrr... unsupported version of bash. :-/ 13:48 -!- t52 [jh2@server3.xlhost.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:48 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:04 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9005774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-231.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 14:18 < Q01> Would the paranoia checks detect a missing bzcat ? (if it's even needed) 14:19 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9005735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:23 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@82.82.218.8] has joined #rocklinux 14:30 -!- Q01 [joe@12-218-34-154.client.mchsi.com] has left #rocklinux () 14:31 < cytrinox`-> moin 14:34 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("leaving") --- Log opened Fri Jan 09 17:46:48 2004 17:46 -!- esden [~weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:46 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 17:46 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Fri Jan 9 05:18:57 2004] 17:46 (Users #rocklinux) 17:46 [ Aard ] [ dsoul] [ k3t_ ] [ netrunner] [ rxr ] 17:46 [ blindcoder] [ elon ] [ kasc ] [ nookie ] [ SMP_ ] 17:46 [ clifford ] [ esden] [ mistik1] [ owl ] [ snyke ] 17:46 [ cytrinox ] [ fake ] [ mnemoc ] [ puzzled ] [ true ] 17:46 [ daja77 ] [ ija ] [ netcrow] [ rolla ] [ zenlunatic_] 17:46 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal] 17:46 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 17:46 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 14 secs 17:52 < daja77> https://fun.drno.de/pics/poser.jpg 17:52 < rolla> bad link :( 17:53 < daja77> why 17:53 < rolla> it does not come up 17:54 < daja77> it does here 17:55 < rolla> must be nie 17:55 < rolla> /nie/nice 17:55 < daja77> just a funny pic 17:56 < rolla> :) 17:58 < daja77> does this link https://www.tu-chmenitz.de/~jahre/poser.jpg work for you? 17:59 < netrunner> Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.tu-chmenitz.de 17:59 < daja77> jaja 17:59 < netrunner> ah, typo :) 17:59 < daja77> typo 18:00 < netrunner> hehehe :) works. 18:00 < daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/poser.jpg 18:00 < netrunner> could be my brother .) 18:00 < daja77> *grmpf* 18:00 < daja77> hehe 18:00 < rolla> ha ha 18:00 < rxr> cytrinox: you look for package definitions? 18:01 < rxr> ah damn cybrjackle2 even .. 18:01 < cytrinox> h? 18:01 < cytrinox> ah :) 18:03 < netrunner> rxr: he quit. flaky connection :) 18:04 < rolla> :) 18:12 -!- elon [~moep2k@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit ("going hunting elephants") 18:43 -!- zenlunatic_ [~zen@user-uiven2d.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit (Connection timed out) 18:54 < netrunner> argl, now I have to synch my work to my laptop so I can continue working while cooking. a curse, to have so many computers. 18:57 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 18:59 < rolla> :) 19:13 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M282P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@M304P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19:20 -!- fuzzie [fuzzie@62-99-107-55.static.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:20 < fuzzie> grüße - greetings 19:25 < fuzzie> is there already an iso image of rock linux 2.0.0-rc4 available for download? i'm to lazy to build one myself :) i would need it for a server.. 19:42 < netrunner> fuzzie: there are builds of some version before -rc4 ... what optimazion do you need? 19:43 < rxr> hi 19:43 < fuzzie> its an amd athlon processor.. 19:43 < rxr> does s.o. has a RedHat box arround? 19:43 < rxr> I would need a user account for a couple of minutes to verify a system header oddity ... 19:43 < fuzzie> but ive tried rc2, there seams to be a problem with lvm (logical volume management) 19:43 < netrunner> rxr: jup, a psyche box here (gf) 19:43 < fuzzie> after booting it didnt find /dev/volumes any more.. 19:44 < fuzzie> so i wanted to try rc4 19:44 < netrunner> rxr: mom, I'll try to boot it and forward ssh ... could take a couple of minutes. 19:44 < rxr> netrunner: could I login for some tiny "user" test 19:44 < rxr> cool thanks 20:06 < daja77> re 20:11 < netrunner> erm ... !> Making post-install adaptions. 20:11 < netrunner> !> Found shared files with other packages: 20:11 < netrunner> !> boot/System.map: linux24 linux26 20:11 < netrunner> !> boot/initrd.img: linux24 linux26 20:11 < netrunner> !> sbin/mkinitrd: linux24 linux26 20:11 < netrunner> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-linux26.out -> 9-linux26.err 20:12 < daja77> O_o 20:14 < netrunner> hm. $default means "this is the default config"? 20:15 < rxr> defautl means default kernel 20:16 < netrunner> rxr: ah, has that changed recently to 2.6? I scripts/Build-Pkg ed linux26 on an older system. 20:20 < rxr> nope 20:20 < rxr> maybe you selected it in the config 20:21 < rxr> or you deselected linux24* ... 20:21 < rxr> netrunner: can you install libcap-devel on the redhat box ? ;-) 20:21 < rxr> ftp.redhat.com does not let me get it ... 20:21 < rxr> :-( 20:21 < daja77> which rh? 20:24 < daja77> use a mirror 20:24 < daja77> https://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/redhat/linux/ 20:28 < rxr> daja77: thanks 20:46 < netrunner> re. rxr: still need my help? 20:47 < rxr> netrunner: maybe I'm finished 20:50 < netrunner> rxr: so I can close the account? 20:52 < daja77> guess there was a when missing 20:52 < netrunner> ah :) 20:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB84D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:53 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817479.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:55 < rxr> netrunner: yes - I think so 20:56 < rxr> netrunner: when I need to take another look I ask again ;-) 20:56 < rxr> netrunner: thanks 21:29 < tcr> rxr: https://www.rlforum.org/index.php?p_lng=&p_days=10000&p_cmd=entry&p_entry=21 21:37 < rxr> tcr: thanks 21:38 < tcr> rxr: no problem, just stumpled upon that myself why checking out the distro watch link ;) And thought @mac, that may be interesting :) 21:38 < tcr> s,why,while, 21:40 < daja77> mac, arm is zaurus and stuff 21:45 < tcr> daja77, yea, but look at that guy's mail address, dude :) 21:46 < daja77> mac.com != apple, right? 21:48 < tcr> eh? 21:50 < daja77> ok, but you can get a mail address there without being an apple employee 21:50 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail@p213.54.218.5.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 21:50 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail@p213.54.218.5.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:51 < daja77> apple is a provider O_o 21:51 < tcr> daja77, uhm I never heard that (not saying that it's false, just very suspicous IMHO) .. nevertheless I know two *very highly* skilled people who do have a @mac.com address too :) 21:52 < daja77> https://www.mac.com/1/mac_faq.html 21:54 < daja77> * Publish iCal calendars online and share with friends and family 21:54 < daja77> nice 21:59 < daja77> Q: If my .Mac trial or full account expires, what happens to my data? 21:59 < daja77> har har 21:59 < daja77> ok their are mac ppl involved ... 22:01 < tcr> Btw do you have some scheduler problems with 2.6 too? 22:01 < tcr> in comparasion to 2.4, that's it 22:02 < daja77> can't tell, had other problems with 2.6 so far 22:03 < tcr> Well for example if I open an xterm and run svn up on the rock src tree, then switching the tab (so xterm isn't in foreground) and sometimes the cursor is chuckling etc 22:04 < tcr> I can't recall of having had the same feeling with 2.4; well maybe I'm a bit biased, don't know.... Just wonder, cuz the scheduler et al got reworked in 2.5 days, so I actually expected better results 22:04 < daja77> havent got it working so far ^^ 22:05 < tcr> Maybe I selected some options which I should have... 22:05 < tcr> Wee, what's your problem? 22:06 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:09 < daja77> acpi 22:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-163.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 22:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-163.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:19 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:23 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB84D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:48 < mnemoc> re all 22:54 < rxr> hi mnemoc 22:56 < mnemoc> hi rxr 23:00 -!- LinuxDude [~moord@d5153E2E4.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 23:15 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.248.226.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:17 < daja77> mnemoc! 23:18 < mnemoc> [daja77]!! 23:18 < mnemoc> (read as *hug* ;-) 23:19 < rxr> why is fixing broken C header fluff and ugly packaged software keeping me so busy - damn crap 23:20 < mnemoc> i2c/matrox? 23:20 < rxr> looked into this too 23:20 < rxr> but linux24*, libcap, samba, ffmpeg, vlc is alreadyenought 23:21 < mnemoc> puaj 23:23 < daja77> rxr: that's what i think sometimes too 23:24 < rxr> weee vlc finally compiled 23:24 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail@p213.54.218.5.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:25 * mnemoc gives a glass of vodka to rxr to celebrate 23:26 < mnemoc> daja77: join us? ;) 23:27 < daja77> have no vodka 23:27 * mnemoc gives a glass of vodka and a cookie to daja :) 23:28 < daja77> cool thx 23:31 < mnemoc> how cold is there? 23:31 < rxr> around 0°C (I guess) 23:32 < daja77> 2°C here 23:32 < mnemoc> we have 32ºC now :\ ... /me cheers with cold beer :) 23:34 < daja77> have fun 23:34 < rxr> I could place my digital thermometer outside and report more exact how cold it is ;-) ... 23:35 < mnemoc> i like around 16ºC... can't work with hot air 23:35 < rxr> mnemoc: me too ;-) 23:36 < mnemoc> digital thermometer??? :| 23:36 < mnemoc> weather.com :) 23:38 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/service/regtest/reference/ 23:38 < rxr> ^- updated 23:38 < rxr> error% is now: 1.050621 23:39 < rxr> 22 errors left 23:39 < daja77> btw my rc5 build is quite fine, guess installing it will be fun 23:39 < rxr> and this night the python paragui shared file thing should get fixed, too 23:40 < rxr> daja77: I think for -rc5 we will get patch will rename cron.d to cron.daily 23:40 < rxr> (due to the cron update) 23:40 < rxr> this will require all packages with cron.d files to be rebuild 23:40 < rxr> (5 or 6 or so - incl. xfree86 ...) 23:40 < rxr> :-( 23:40 < daja77> well what if i don't have that patch 23:41 < mnemoc> outch 23:41 * mnemoc sorry for updating cron :( 23:41 < rxr> daja77: it is not yet applied 23:41 < rxr> daja77: I want to investigate this deeply ... 23:41 < daja77> so if i don't svn up it should be no problem 23:42 < daja77> thing is i don't want a rc4 with broken pcmcia, primary test targets are laptops ... 23:42 < rxr> just that the installation will have a cron deamon that complains about syntax errors every 5 minutes into the syslog ... 23:42 < rxr> the patch is at: 23:42 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?u=guest&p=guest 23:42 < rxr> but I need to read cron source before I apply it ... 23:43 < rxr> ok - me taking a nightly shower and then I take a look into the shard files stuff of python vs. paragui ... 23:45 < daja77> well if the rebuild of 5 packages should be ok as well 23:45 < mnemoc> rxr: prefix change of postgresql had side effects to... i'll send you a patch for php as soon as i get my smtp working :( 23:46 < daja77> grrrr 23:47 < mnemoc> :'( 23:47 * mnemoc kicks mnemoc 23:47 < daja77> hehe may I join? 23:48 < mnemoc> sure :) 23:48 * daja77 kicking mnemoc for fun 23:48 < mnemoc> two for cron, one for pgsql 23:49 < daja77> *ONE* 23:49 < daja77> *TWO* 23:49 < daja77> *THREE* 23:49 < daja77> and two more cos I want it :p 23:49 < mnemoc> ouch :( 23:49 * daja77 grabs mnemoc's beer 23:50 < mnemoc> :o 23:50 < mnemoc> that's not fair 23:50 < daja77> i know 23:50 < daja77> it is unfair cos i don't like beer 23:50 < daja77> stealing jolt from mike is more fun ^^ 23:51 < daja77> *gnutellatret* 23:51 < mnemoc> my english is not good enought to fight back :( 23:52 < daja77> oh --- Log closed Sat Jan 10 00:00:47 2004