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--- Log opened Fri Feb 06 00:00:01 2004 00:20 < mnemoc> *yawn* 00:20 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@81.208.60.192] has joined #rocklinux 00:23 < mnemoc> Robin_Root: argentinian? 00:24 < mnemoc> (just curious) 00:24 < daja77> italian ^^ 00:24 < mnemoc> weirdness of traceroute 00:24 < Robin_Root> italian :-) 00:25 < daja77> from milano :) 00:25 < mnemoc> hm... friends? 00:26 < daja77> we met before on irc :) 00:27 < mnemoc> talking of milano... what happened to 'alessandro'? 00:27 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.52.200.231] has joined #rocklinux 00:27 < daja77> dunno 00:28 < mnemoc> batok: export TERM=xterm-color and try 'vi' again 00:34 < mnemoc> cat /proc/self > /dev/home 00:34 < mnemoc> bbl 00:37 < daja77> n8 you all 00:40 < batok> ok 00:41 < batok> I tried the vimrc from off X11 and vi was coloured as expected 00:43 < batok> Guys, I 've just created a script to "record" and X11 session, from an xterm window or from the entire screen, and such script generates a movie file i.e. an mpeg or swf. I think this can be useful for demos and tutorials . 00:44 < batok> Soon is going to be able at my server...hope this helps 00:45 < batok> mnemoc I think the problem is with Konsole 00:48 < batok> mnemoc: is it export TERM="xterm -color" ? 00:50 < batok> how can one know if anybody is working in a package before it's published ? 00:51 < batok> is there a work-in-progress list or something ? 00:57 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@81.208.60.192] has quit (Client Quit) 01:08 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.52.200.231] has left #rocklinux () 01:59 < mnemoc> re 02:18 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@62.151.149.121] has joined #rocklinux 03:34 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.159.13.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:49 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail@p213.54.142.140.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:59 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.159.13.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:14 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.183.68.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:19 -!- kandinski [~kandinski@62.151.149.121] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 05:00 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail@p213.54.152.206.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:01 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail@p213.54.183.68.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:08 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:26 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-072-211.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 07:45 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a56.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:48 < saskatoon> moin 08:58 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-212-144-080-154.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:01 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has joined #rocklinux 09:01 < Baldzius> moin 09:13 < Baldzius> drat, i have problems with cluster build 09:14 < Baldzius> master node starts , sais current status - waiting in the job queue 09:14 < Baldzius> in slave node i start Build-Job, don't get any errors and nothing happens on master node 09:16 < netrunner> Baldzius: are both working in the same directory? 09:17 < Baldzius> who's "both" ? 09:17 < Baldzius> i did everything as in cluster build doc 09:17 < netrunner> Build-Target and Build-Job 09:18 < Baldzius> sec 09:22 < netrunner> and is the Build-Job really running on the node? 09:22 < netrunner> hm, the master doesn't show any packages in the queue? 09:22 < Baldzius> no, it show's 09:23 < Baldzius> Job 0- linux24-header 09:23 < netrunner> ok fine. and the node uses the same directory? 09:23 < Baldzius> now yes 09:23 < Baldzius> same result 09:24 < Baldzius> or i messed smthg 09:24 < netrunner> does Build-Job say anything? is it in your Process list (ps axf) 09:25 < netrunner> is the directory writeable for the node? 09:26 < Baldzius> i have 3 Build-Target processes 09:26 < netrunner> I mean on the node 09:26 < Baldzius> one tee -a ........ .log 09:26 < Baldzius> oh 09:27 < Baldzius> no 09:27 < Baldzius> on master i exported mount rw 09:27 < Baldzius> is this not enough? 09:27 < netrunner> using what export service? nfs? 09:27 < Baldzius> yes 09:27 < netrunner> no_root_squash 09:28 < netrunner> otherwise root is squashed to nobody and you're not allowed to write 09:29 < Baldzius> ok , 'll try 09:44 < Baldzius> so now when i see two Build-Job processes on master 09:44 < Baldzius> everything works? 09:44 < Baldzius> i have 2 slave nodes 10:01 < netrunner> Baldzius: the Build-Job processes should be running on the slaves. 10:01 < netrunner> (where you start them) 10:02 < netrunner> on the master there should be about 3 Build-Target processes 10:02 < Baldzius> master shows 10:03 < Baldzius> Build-Job 10:03 < Baldzius> Build-Job 10:03 < Baldzius> Job 0-linux24-headers myslavenode 10:03 < Baldzius> so it works? 10:04 < netrunner> ah, this is from the queue? I was talking about processes 10:04 < netrunner> in the queue it is ok, they registered and took a job from the queue. 10:04 < Baldzius> yeah it is from queue, master status window 10:04 < netrunner> ok fine then. but be prepared you'll get problems with all gnome stuff. 10:05 < Baldzius> i am compiling router target :) 10:05 < netrunner> ok then, have fun :) 10:05 < Baldzius> so also i can start Build-Job on master? 10:05 < netrunner> sure. 10:06 -!- ija [[6eOQW7m+y@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:06 < Baldzius> or this is not recommended 10:06 < Baldzius> i see 10:06 < Baldzius> ok then 10:06 < netrunner> that is what I do, since I use it for SMP 10:06 < Baldzius> thanks netrunner 10:06 < Baldzius> very much :) 10:06 < netrunner> np 10:06 < Baldzius> btw, last question 10:07 * netrunner hides 10:07 < Baldzius> i noticed there custom package selection 10:07 < Baldzius> oh well, maybe next time :) 10:07 < netrunner> no, just ask 10:07 -!- ija [[0eYv2v26Z@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:07 < netrunner> but be quick, I have to switch building. 10:08 < Baldzius> so i can romove unnecesary packages from target 10:08 < netrunner> jup 10:08 < Baldzius> but how 10:08 < Baldzius> can't find info 10:08 < Baldzius> there come smth like , preselection template 10:08 < netrunner> you can add rules. they are X for add and O for deselect, then a space and a pattern 10:09 < netrunner> eg X avm to select all my packages 10:09 < netrunner> or O linux26 to select everything linux26* 10:09 < netrunner> s/26 to /26 to de/ 10:09 < Baldzius> ok now i got it 10:09 < Baldzius> need to try 10:10 < Baldzius> thanx once more :) 10:10 < netrunner> or you use a prepared template like the minimal+X 10:10 * netrunner leaving now (before he finds something else ;) 10:11 < Baldzius> :) 10:52 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-212-144-017-175.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:36 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802AC6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:52 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5080215E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:02 -!- ija [[0eYv2v26Z@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit ("leaving") 12:04 -!- ija [[yNweWt7hg@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:26 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:28 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:33 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-212-144-017-175.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Leaving") 12:42 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-212-144-017-175.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:47 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 12:52 < daja77> noin 12:53 < daja77> moin 12:54 < Baldzius> hi 12:55 < daja77> hi Baldzius 12:55 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:56 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:03 < netrunner> moin daja77 13:03 < daja77> moin netrunner :) 13:04 * netrunner curses sun. javaplugin doesn't work with a mozilla ocmpiled with gcc3x 13:08 < Baldzius> netrunner, sorry, have one question, what would happen if slave node die? 13:09 < netrunner> Baldzius: you'd have to burry it ;) 13:09 < netrunner> Baldzius: it's current package fails or hangs there, depending on _how_ it dies. 13:10 < netrunner> Baldzius: if it dies gracefully, eg sighup to make so Build-Job can remove the lock on the job, it creates a failed package (.err in the log) 13:10 < netrunner> Baldzius: then you can reschedule it with scripts/Create-Errlist -cfg blubb -delete failedpkg 13:11 < Baldzius> as i understood, scheduler compiles different packages on different nodes 13:11 < netrunner> Baldzius: if you just switch out the power of a node, the lockfile in build/blubb/queue will probably remain, and has to be deleted manually 13:11 < netrunner> jup 13:11 < Baldzius> not just one package on all nodes 13:11 < Baldzius> ? 13:11 < netrunner> jup 13:11 < Baldzius> i see 13:12 < netrunner> but the package on the node that dies is problematic, it won't automatically be rescheduled. 13:13 * netrunner downloading blackdown java 13:22 -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 13:23 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has quit () 13:24 < [anders]> narf 13:25 -!- invisiblegod [none@81.193.159.174] has joined #rocklinux 13:25 < mnemoc> moin 13:25 < [anders]> lo mnemoc 13:26 < [anders]> where's Miguel hiding out today then? 13:26 < mnemoc> he is performing 'the busy boy' these days 13:27 < daja77> hehe 13:27 < mnemoc> hi daja77, [anders] 13:27 < [anders]> as I have been you mean mnemoc? Ages since I dropped in here.. 13:28 < [anders]> Just have had a little too much to do.. 13:28 < daja77> hi [anders] 13:28 < daja77> ho mnemoc 13:28 < [anders]> lo daja77 13:28 < daja77> he was here yesterday a few hours 13:29 < [anders]> noticed he has an account at orkut... 13:29 < [anders]> messaged him there. 13:29 < mnemoc> [anders] .oO( Mike1 is more on MSN than IRC now ) 13:30 < [anders]> mnemoc: out of principle I will not get an MSN account 13:30 < [anders]> AIM is as far as I'll go 13:30 < [anders]> :) 13:30 < mnemoc> =) 13:30 < mnemoc> anders@hotmail.com :P 13:30 < daja77> [anders]: you are there too? 13:31 < [anders]> daja77: on orkut? yeah 13:31 < daja77> cool we should meet there 13:31 < [anders]> :) I am member of the rock forum, so add me from there if you like. :) 13:33 < daja77> done :) 13:33 < [anders]> :) 13:33 < [anders]> done 13:33 < [anders]> :) 13:34 -!- invisiblegod [none@81.193.159.174] has left #rocklinux () 13:34 < daja77> cool 13:34 < mnemoc> daja77: https://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=10569 13:35 < daja77> yeah 13:36 < daja77> and i know this guy 13:36 < mnemoc> you are not there :) 13:36 < daja77> not yet 13:44 < [anders]> Mmm.. invited some friends to join orkut... 13:44 < netrunner> [anders]: what's your rn? 13:44 < [anders]> Anders Karlsson 13:44 < [anders]> netrunner: yours? 13:44 < netrunner> ah, parser was lossy ;) 13:45 < [anders]> hehe 13:45 < [anders]> Andreas something.. 13:45 < daja77> Andreas T. Kirk 13:46 < [anders]> lol 13:46 < netrunner> [anders]: request sent ;) 13:46 < [anders]> aah.. heh 13:46 < [anders]> actioned. :) 13:47 < netrunner> anybody knows how I can calculate utm->wgs84 ? 13:47 < [anders]> owl: *poke* 13:47 < [anders]> owl: get a picture into your profile on orkut... 13:47 < [anders]> :) 14:03 < mnemoc> anyone knows when rxr will resurrect? 14:03 < daja77> nope 14:04 < mnemoc> :( 14:06 < netrunner> oh https://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/35375.html 14:07 < daja77> https://www.thingsmygirlfriendandihavearguedabout.com/ 14:10 < daja77> who discusses business plans there 14:11 < netrunner> daja77, yes I know ... " She really over-reacts whenever she catches me wearing her underwear. 14:12 < daja77> hehe 14:12 < mnemoc> netrunner: "We're assured that because Orkut runs on Microsoft® Windows., there will be no security issues. Good choice" 14:12 < daja77> O_o 14:13 < netrunner> mnemoc: hehe 14:14 < mnemoc> they can move to mod_mono :) 14:18 < mnemoc> daja77: nice girl this margret o_O 14:25 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has joined #rocklinux 14:25 < MadTux> moin. 14:25 < mnemoc> <[anders]> where's Miguel hiding out today then? 14:25 < mnemoc> moin MadTux 14:26 < MadTux> [anders], still awake? 14:26 < MadTux> moin mnemocy :) 14:26 < daja77> hey MadTux 14:26 < MadTux> hello daja77 14:29 < daja77> how are you? 14:30 < MadTux> good, happy, and not that overloaded with work today :) 14:30 < MadTux> u ? 14:31 < daja77> i am ok, bit tired as always ^^ 14:35 < MadTux> thats because u sleep too much 14:35 < daja77> i havent the last few days 14:37 < mnemoc> u dream to sleep too much when you are awake 14:37 < daja77> yeah 14:39 < cytrinox`-> moin 14:39 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox 14:42 < MadTux> daja77, tiene suenos mojados con mnemoc 14:42 < MadTux> *GGG* 14:42 < daja77> you what 14:48 < rolla> re 14:50 < daja77> wb rolla 14:51 < rolla> thanks 14:55 < mnemoc> MadTux: why don't you say that in english? :) 14:56 < daja77> so that i don't know it 14:56 < daja77> i could kick him anyway 14:56 < [anders]> MadTux: yeh 14:56 < mnemoc> best choice 14:56 * daja77 kicks MadTux 14:56 < rolla> :) 14:56 < [anders]> lo rolla 14:56 * rolla allways likes to see a good kicking 14:57 * mnemoc kicks rolla for fun 14:57 * daja77 kicks MadTux again to please rolla 14:59 < mnemoc> to please rolla or to please yourself? 14:59 < daja77> we both have fun 15:00 < rolla> :) 15:04 < mnemoc> .oO( rolla and daja77 having 'fun' kicking each other... mmm ) 15:04 < daja77> no we had fun kicking mike, wanna join? 15:05 < mnemoc> yeahh... /me kicks BusyTux 15:07 < mnemoc> (which number of fstab is mount order, 1st or second?) 15:09 < mnemoc> 1st 15:09 < mnemoc> no... second :| 15:15 < rolla> theater% uptime 15:15 < rolla> 8:03am up 436 day(s), 18:31, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.02 15:15 < SMP> that's nothing :> 15:16 < daja77> hi SMP 15:16 < rolla> well show me then big boy 15:16 < rolla> ;) 15:17 < daja77> omg i accidently hit the openoffice button in knoppix 15:18 < rolla> ;) 15:18 < mnemoc> daja77: now you can go to sleep for a while 15:18 < rolla> https://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017 15:19 < rolla> now there is a cool book 15:19 < daja77> :)) 15:21 < SMP> I have a machine with 1247 days uptime 15:21 < rolla> SMP: show me the uptime 15:21 < SMP> has a 486 cpu, running SuSE 4.x, no network, no root password 15:22 < SMP> uptime 253 days 15:22 < SMP> +497 15:22 < SMP> +497 15:22 < rolla> ;) 15:22 < daja77> what it is running for? 15:22 < SMP> daja77: fun 15:22 < daja77> hehe 15:22 < daja77> to get the uptime highscore 15:22 < rolla> yeah no network != fun 15:24 < mnemoc> it's just plugged to electricity o_O 15:24 < saskatoon> hi daja77 15:25 -!- kandinski_ [~kandinski@62.151.231.3] has joined #rocklinux 15:35 < rolla> yawn 15:36 < mnemoc> *reyawn* 15:37 < rolla> :) 15:37 < rolla> mnemoc: is that apache server working for you now? 15:39 < mnemoc> without suexec 15:39 < rolla> :) 15:40 < mnemoc> not funny :( 15:42 -!- kandinski_ [~kandinski@62.151.231.3] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 15:44 < rolla> why not funny 15:49 < mnemoc> :( 15:49 < mnemoc> a typo on glibc.conf =) contopt="${confopt% --target=*}" 15:51 * mnemoc fears to fix it 15:56 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:03 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 < rolla> windows mailservers suck 16:10 -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:11 < daja77> windows server suck in general 16:12 < mnemoc> rolla: exchange? 16:13 < daja77> https://www.jasonlove.com/snaps-tr/snap01293.gif 16:15 < mnemoc> lol 16:16 < mnemoc> daja77: do u think i should fix glibc.conf typo? (ref: now-25min) 16:16 < MadTux> re 16:16 < MadTux> ping rolla 16:17 < mnemoc> MS.Hit would be a great product name 16:20 * MadTux grabs his base bat and hits mnemoc and daja77 in their testicules several times 16:20 < mnemoc> outch :( 16:20 < MadTux> thats what u get for kicking me when i can't defend my self 16:21 * daja77 kicks MadTux just because 16:21 * MadTux hits mnemoc again.. doing outch to me little slut 16:21 * MadTux drops laying-on-the-floor-mnemoc to daja77 16:21 * mnemoc jumps over MadTux bitting his face 16:22 * MadTux gets his sword.. stay back ! 16:22 < MadTux> brb 16:22 < mnemoc> hm? :\ 16:24 < daja77> pffff this pink plastic sword, i fear 16:25 < MadTux> i'm not using owl's sword daja77 16:25 < MadTux> :) 16:26 < daja77> it was your birthday present from her 16:33 < rolla> mnemoc: yes 16:34 < rolla> :) 16:34 < daja77> mnemoc: i dont see the typo, blind i guess 16:34 < mnemoc> contopt="${confopt% --target=*}" 16:35 < daja77> ah i see 16:35 < daja77> sure, fix it 16:36 * mnemoc fears the world stop moving after that 16:37 < rolla> MadTux: ? you here 16:38 < mnemoc> he is painting his pink plastic sword 16:38 < daja77> hehe 16:40 < MadTux> rolla, semi present a bit busy, see query 16:41 < daja77> hey busy bit 16:49 < mnemoc> he is too pussy to talk to us 16:49 < mnemoc> s/pus/bu/g sorry 16:50 < esdentem> hi all 16:50 < daja77> hi esden 16:50 < daja77> mnemoc: why correcting your self you were perfectly right 16:51 < esdentem> I read the Stable Release topic ... I am really missing a comment from Mr. rxr badly 16:51 < daja77> think he hasn't joined yet 16:51 < esdentem> *sigh* 16:52 < esdentem> who has invited him? 16:52 < MadTux> yeah he hasnt 16:52 < MadTux> i invited him 16:52 < esdentem> hrrm 16:52 < MadTux> god bless u esdy btw 16:52 < mnemoc> have you seen him *here*? 16:52 < esdentem> bless you too mnemoc 16:52 < daja77> mnemoc: yep two days ago 16:55 < mnemoc> i guess clt is our last chance, big location in front of big projects 16:57 < daja77> somebody into fixing base packages btw? 16:57 < MadTux> what happened? 16:58 < daja77> several base packages are broken 16:58 * mnemoc is waiting for rxr new i2c patch 16:58 < mnemoc> life was easier when we used a third-party patch 16:59 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-062-173.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:59 < esdentem> it is really funny about the stable release ... we wanted over a year ago ... didn't we? 17:02 < mnemoc> as i said in my post, we *must* release *something* 17:03 < mnemoc> we keep moving, updating, growing... but we need to freeze to make it converge to an stable release 17:04 < esdentem> mnemoc: my words! 17:04 < esdentem> there was a real fight during the 1.6 times about that 17:04 < esdentem> and now the same happens ... 17:05 < mnemoc> without a roadmap we can't do something better :| 17:05 < mnemoc> we don't *know* what we want 17:06 < esdentem> there are guidelines about what should happen ... during the freeze there must not be any updates that are unnessesary ... but there are changing interpretations of what is importaint 17:07 < esdentem> we are in freeze since a long time ... at least it is what it is called ... 17:07 < esdentem> but still there are things that are being added and updated all the time 17:07 < rolla> crazy 17:07 < esdentem> like kde for example ... 17:08 < mnemoc> it seems we are waiting for a '100% updated - 100% succesful build - 100% archs' moment for release 17:10 < esdentem> mnemoc: yes that seems so 17:10 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@81.208.60.192] has joined #rocklinux 17:10 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-060-096.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:10 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 17:12 < mnemoc> 1. froze mayor updates 2. choose core archs. 3. build bootdisk, minimal and desktop 17:13 < daja77> mnemoc: fix some packages before that ^^ 17:13 < mnemoc> that's between 2 and 3 17:14 < mnemoc> i mean... inside 3 17:14 < esdentem> but during that time ... NO package should be updatet 17:15 < daja77> why, when the update fixes the package 17:15 < esdentem> not even if it is fixing something ... it should be only a backport patch if it is fixing something 17:15 < esdentem> only that one thing 17:15 < mnemoc> minor updates can be needed e.g. 3.1.n to 3.1.(n+1) 17:15 < esdentem> because it is very possible that the update will break something else 17:15 < daja77> yeah sure cos backporting is that much faster 17:16 < esdentem> daja77: but we are doing that all the time ... "that will be faster if we update that package" and then another problem emerges 17:16 < mnemoc> true 17:17 < daja77> could be the same with backports 17:18 < mnemoc> backport only when it's a must-do 17:18 < esdentem> and another thing ... we have to throw packages and targets out that are not fixed till the deadline ... if they are not real showstopping packages 17:18 < mnemoc> but 'try it at home' before sending the damn patch 17:18 < esdentem> just like debian does it 17:18 < mnemoc> that's why i don't like svn... it's branches sucks 17:18 < daja77> debian does no releases either 17:19 < esdentem> daja77: they do ... every two years or so ... that is more then we do in fact 17:19 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD9E1C203.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:19 < daja77> but their releases are crap 17:19 < esdentem> not that I like debian ... but you have to admit that it is correct 17:19 < daja77> so no better 17:20 < esdentem> daja77: are ours better? 17:20 < mnemoc> they have something to show on events 17:20 < daja77> esdentem: yes 17:20 < daja77> mnemoc: woody, are you kidding 17:20 < mnemoc> it's *something* 17:20 < daja77> well i showed around beta6, was fine either and much better than woody 17:21 < esdentem> then we have to do it better ... but releasing nothing is not better ... 17:21 < saskatoon> hope so 17:21 < mnemoc> i have never been in a *lt or a ccc*, but does ppl still belive our promises? 17:22 < daja77> mnemoc: havent heard something really negative 17:22 < daja77> and btw it is just that we call sth stable 17:22 < daja77> which is more or less for a whike 17:22 < mnemoc> let's freeze and label it 'stable' 17:23 < esdentem> even the kernel is not really stable when the stable release is being released ... it needs 10 minor versions to get really stable ... 17:23 < mnemoc> btw... we are the 'toolkit' nor the 'targets', and the toolkit is stable from looong time ago 17:23 < esdentem> why not do the same with rock? 17:24 < esdentem> mnemoc: I have not thaught that way ... but you are right 17:24 < mnemoc> 2.0.0 i386/ppc bootdisk and minimal... *nothing*else 17:24 < daja77> iirc rxr said he is into releasing stable before he moved 17:25 < mnemoc> he promised to fix i2c on dicember, and he is playing kde 17:25 < mnemoc> i have no idea how to fix it 17:26 < mnemoc> i have tryed mnay time, but i'm absolutly lost 17:26 < daja77> you know sometimes ppl have other things to do than to work on rock 17:26 < mnemoc> i know... i'm talking about 'focus' 17:27 < mnemoc> and if you have only one person with write access..... blah blah blah 17:27 < daja77> well rxr has lots of beginner users around him, me too btw, so kde focus is not that bad 17:27 < daja77> this is a rock specific thing 17:27 < daja77> we could change that 17:27 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1CB39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 17:28 -!- bluefire_ is now known as bluefire 17:33 < mnemoc> daja77: we want to change that write-policy, but our owner don't 17:33 < daja77> i know 17:37 < MadTux> yawn 17:37 < daja77> *blam* 17:38 < MadTux> esdentem san? 17:46 < esdentem> MadTux: ? 17:59 -!- darix [darix@monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:59 < darix> hi 17:59 < darix> small suggestion: 18:00 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:00 < mnemoc> kill ourselves? 18:00 < darix> better uses "chown user:group" instead of "chown user.group" on some linux versions "." is not supported as delimiter 18:00 < darix> :) 18:00 < mnemoc> daja77: send a patch to submaster :) 18:01 < esdentem> darix: you mean unix versions don't you? 18:01 < mnemoc> ehr.... darix 18:01 < darix> esdentem: no i dont mean. 18:01 < daja77> mnemoc: hm? 18:01 < mnemoc> d<tab> :( 18:02 < daja77> ah k. 18:02 < darix> esdentem: we are crosscompile rocklinux for x86_32 on gentoo x86_64. and it complains about "chown root.root" unknown user. 18:02 < daja77> ah yes 18:02 < darix> esdentem: and of course you should fix "head" usage to "head -n <count>" instead of "head -<count>" 18:03 < darix> perl -pi -e 's/(head )-(\d+)/${1}-n $2/g' scripts/* 18:03 < darix> as quickfix :) 18:03 < mnemoc> darix: if you already fix it send the patch to submaster :) 18:04 < darix> the chown isnt this simple as some package configs call chown directly instead using the function from scripts/functions 18:04 < darix> mnemoc: it would be easier for one of you to run my perl line and submit directly. 18:04 < darix> wouldnt it? 18:04 < mnemoc> if i could submit... 18:05 < darix> [chown] and of course they all call it with a different style. some "chown root.root" "chown -R 0.0" and more :) 18:06 < darix> hmm looks like my perl script worked for my coworker too :) 18:06 < darix> the chown thingie. just overlooked one call with -R root.root o.O 18:07 < mnemoc> darix: quick fix, add a chown scripts in tools.cross/bin to call real chown with s/./:/g for the args 18:07 -!- alanw [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has quit ("Leaving") 18:08 < darix> grep -rl chown . | grep -v .svn | xargs --no-run-if-empty perl -pi -e 's/chown(.*?)(root|0)\./chown$1$2:/g' 18:08 < darix> thats should fix the chown thingie :) 18:08 < darix> *tests it in his wc* 18:10 < mnemoc> that would solve '.' calls inside packages 18:10 < mnemoc> wont even 18:10 < mnemoc> aaaaaa..a 18:11 * mnemoc needs coffee 18:11 < mnemoc> brb 18:11 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:11 < darix> mnemoc: thats what i want :) 18:19 < darix> esdentem: will you apply my perl oneliner and commit it?:) 18:21 < mnemoc> darix: we only can submit patches to submaster and wait for aproval 18:22 < darix> i just verify the chown stuff 18:22 < darix> maybe ill svn diff the stuff than :) 18:23 < mnemoc> much better :) 18:23 < darix> it takes ages to grep the whole trunk 18:24 < mnemoc> grep the download/ is not wise 18:25 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has joined #rocklinux 18:25 < MadTux> re 18:25 < mnemoc> rekick MadTux 18:26 < darix> mnemoc: my WC is a plain checkout 18:26 < darix> no builds made from it 18:26 < MadTux> :) 18:26 < mnemoc> real 0m26.514s 18:26 < mnemoc> user 0m0.230s 18:26 < mnemoc> sys 0m1.820s 18:27 < mnemoc> not too much :) 18:27 < darix> https://monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de/~darix/chown+head.diff 18:28 < mnemoc> darix: shouldn't 'tail' get the same fix? 18:29 < darix> *checks* 18:29 < darix> mnemoc: no problem :) 18:30 < mnemoc> great.... now you join https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi and submit the patch 18:30 < mnemoc> and wait, and wait, and wait.... 18:30 < darix> lol 18:30 < darix> found a bug in my patch ;) 18:31 < darix> mnemoc: if i have to signup no way. i always forget credential 18:32 < mnemoc> it's a three <input>s form 18:33 -!- nookie [~nookie@M496P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:34 < darix> we are waiting for all further bugs we find :) 18:34 -!- praenti [~praenti@biersorten.dyndns.org] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:36 < darix> call of expand is mixed too 18:40 < mnemoc> i thought we only used tr :\ 18:40 < darix> mnemoc: no you dont 18:40 < darix> sometimes you use expand -20 18:40 < darix> and it complains 18:40 < darix> :) 18:40 < darix> perl -pi -e 's/(expand )-(\d+)/${1}-t$2/g' * 18:40 < darix> i like perl :) 18:43 < mnemoc> lunch time.... bbl 18:45 < rolla> bye 18:45 < rolla> orkut emails are slow 18:46 < darix> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-gcc3-cross.out 18:46 < darix> !> /tmp/ccFIfHki.s:60: Error: suffix or operands invalid fo .. 18:46 < darix> !> /tmp/ccFIfHki.s:78: Error: suffix or operands invalid fo .. 18:46 < darix> !> /tmp/ccFIfHki.s:84: Error: suffix or operands invalid fo .. 18:46 < darix> !> /tmp/ccFIfHki.s:85: Internal error, aborting at config/t .. 18:46 < darix> !> Please report this bug. 18:46 < darix> !> make: *** [crtbegin.o] Error 1 18:46 < darix> o.O 18:47 * darix pokes esdentem and clifford 18:51 -!- nookie [~nookie@M496P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (""Will administrate your UNIX servers for a woman."") 18:54 < darix> we found it *think* waiting for the 2 first stages again =) 19:06 < darix> anyone tried to crosscompile for "i586-pc-linux-gnu" on amd64? 19:06 < daja77> <- not 19:07 < darix> according to the log it tries to compile stuff for 32bit but the compiler thinks it should be 64 bit 19:16 < mnemoc> darix: why are you building gcc3-cross? 19:25 < darix> mnemoc: it was his decision. not mine. i just ask :) we started without now :) 19:40 < darix> https://monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de/~darix/build.txt 19:46 < rolla> re 19:50 < darix> re rolla 19:51 < mnemoc> darix: what are build building (arch)? 19:51 < mnemoc> s/build/you/1 19:52 < mnemoc> :| 19:53 < blindcoder> moin 19:53 < mnemoc> moin blindcoder 19:53 < mnemoc> bbl 19:54 < MadTux> blindy-sam 19:54 < blindcoder> mad-chaaaan! 19:55 < MadTux> I'm honored to see you here. 19:55 * MadTux having lunch bbl 19:56 < rolla> bye 19:57 < darix> mnemoc: building on amd64 (x86_64) for via-c3 (i586) 19:58 < mnemoc> i don't remember if cmov patch was applied 19:58 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@81.208.60.192] has quit (Client Quit) 19:59 < blindcoder> dammit... I need to split my ROCK Inbox... 19:59 < mnemoc> if not, you can't build c3 as >=586 19:59 < mnemoc> netrruner was playing with that iirc 19:59 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@81.208.60.192] has joined #rocklinux 20:03 * blindcoder bugging rxr for a svn rep 20:04 < mnemoc> =) 20:04 < darix> mnemoc: url to the patch? :) 20:05 < mnemoc> i don't see it in submaster, ask netrunner 20:05 < mnemoc> gotta go 20:06 < darix> netrunner: *pokes* 20:06 < darix> cya and thanks mnemoc 20:06 < mnemoc> u r welcome :) 20:07 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:07 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-127.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:43 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a56.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:47 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 < A-Tui> hi 20:50 < rolla> re 20:55 < MadTux> Aitor 20:55 < MadTux> rolla, 20:56 < A-Tui> hola MadTux, how are u? 20:56 < rolla> ja 20:58 < blindcoder> re maddy ^_^ 21:06 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@81.208.60.192] has quit (Client Quit) 21:07 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 21:13 < mnemoc> re 21:14 < MadTux> blindy 21:14 < MadTux> wb mnemoc 21:14 < saskatoon> re 21:14 < mnemoc> thx MadTux 21:14 < mnemoc> rw saskatoon 21:15 < mnemoc> re* 21:15 < saskatoon> sorry, morning 21:17 < MadTux> Fri Feb 6 14:11:40 CST 2004 .... mourning.. 21:18 < mnemoc> saskatoon: hm? 21:18 < mnemoc> why sorry? 21:19 < MadTux> saskatoon, nothing to be sorry for :) 21:19 < MadTux> .o0( mnemoc is the only mortal that has to be sorry ) 21:20 < rolla> ;) 21:20 < mnemoc> .oO( how can i by the only mortal that.... if i'm not mortal? ) 21:21 < mnemoc> hi rolla 21:25 * rolla is bored 21:29 * mnemoc kicks rolla once 21:29 * mnemoc kicks rolla again 21:29 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F988.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 < MadTux> .o0( Murder is not the solutions... is the Goal ) 21:29 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F48E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 21:29 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 21:30 < mnemoc> .oO( that tux is loosing his sanity ) 21:32 -!- ringo [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 21:34 < MadTux> mnemoc, wtf is sanity? 21:34 < mnemoc> you would never understand 21:36 < mnemoc> it's a matter of faith.. to have half pizza there must exist a complete one 21:37 * mnemoc 's pizza portion is near 'bush and blair for novel of peace' level :| 21:43 -!- ringo [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit (Client Quit) 21:45 -!- ringo [~mooooh@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 21:50 < ringo> where can i get a boot floppy image ? I can see only iso's. 21:53 < mnemoc> uhm.... from inside isos 21:54 < ringo> ok found an old one 1.6.0 ;) 21:55 < ringo> I use it to boot a box with 1.5.12 21:55 * A-Tui is away: cenando... que ya es hora... 21:56 < MadTux> hi ringo!!!!!!!!!!!1 21:56 < MadTux> ringo 1.6 rulez :) 21:58 * mnemoc fears the future 21:58 < ringo> MadTux: why no more Mike1 ? 21:59 < mnemoc> ssshhh... he is hiding of NSA 22:00 < ringo> he should utelize some proxy then :) 22:00 < mnemoc> he is not that smart :( 22:01 < esdentem> strange ... packages are reporting errors even if there is no error in the logs ... 22:02 < mnemoc> $? 22:04 < mnemoc> XTRACE mode now shows $? 22:05 < MadTux> mnemoc, people like ringo and i are not smart.. we are on a higher level... 22:05 < MadTux> mnemoc, we know everything. 22:05 < MadTux> ringo, i just liked this nick better 22:06 < ringo> ok, was looking for a most wanted list on nsa.gov ;) 22:07 < mnemoc> lol 22:08 * blindcoder --> bed 22:09 < mnemoc> n8 blindcoder 22:09 < ringo> n8 blindcoder 22:09 < MadTux> shhh!!! ringo damn it be quite! they will find me 22:49 < ringo> I love kernel panicks :) 22:50 < ringo> 22:50 < daja77> ringo! 22:51 < ringo> hi daja77 ! 22:51 < daja77> long tome no see 22:52 < ringo> long time in bsd land ... ;) 22:52 < ringo> (I am not that fast a learner) 22:53 < ringo> how are u ?\ 22:54 < daja77> quite fine thx and you? 22:54 < ringo> fine thx 22:54 < daja77> cool 22:56 < esdentem> hmm ... e2fsprogs fails? 22:56 < mnemoc> hm? 22:56 < daja77> yes 22:56 < esdentem> util-linux too? 22:56 < mnemoc> wtf?! 22:56 < esdentem> arrgh what is going on? 22:57 < mnemoc> my target builds as a charm :) 22:57 < esdentem> I am building on fedora ... so it is allowed to fail 22:58 < daja77> esdentem: yes it all failed in my builds too on rock 22:59 < daja77> now you know what i meant when saying fixing base before complaining about release 22:59 < esdentem> can someone of you check which package contains chroot binary? 23:00 < esdentem> daja77: but all that was working one or two months ago ... why is it failing now? ... because stuff is being updated and patched instead of leaving it alone ... that is my comment to that<dot> 23:00 * mnemoc will start a minimal p4 now 23:00 < daja77> s/dot/period 23:01 < esdentem> hehe ... thanks daja77 23:01 < daja77> :) 23:02 < mnemoc> here we go! 23:03 < ringo> esdentem: /rock-i586-1.6.0/base-pkgs/sh-utils.tar.bz2 23:03 < mnemoc> when i said that our stabilization didn't converged rene tried to kill me :( 23:05 < daja77> to be fair it has to be said that base things were fixed fast when he was online 23:06 < mnemoc> i haven't said he has not worked a lot for the stable, i said it don't converge 23:07 < mnemoc> and this 'moving' thing has hurt a lot 23:07 < MadTux> cya 23:07 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has quit ("Leaving") 23:07 < daja77> mnemoc: yes 23:08 < mnemoc> btw, is 'converge' a right english-mathematical word? 23:09 < rolla> mnemoc: used in what way? 23:09 < esdentem> hmm ... I really slowly have the feeling that same feelings are emerging as during the 1.6 times ... but guys ... you all have to say that rene did (even if he has at the moment no time for it) a very good work ... even if it is not finalizing in a stable releaze for now 23:10 < rolla> esdentem: very true 23:11 < mnemoc> full ack 23:11 < daja77> esdentem: he is working ob final 23:11 < daja77> he told me so 23:11 < esdentem> we all have to do our best so that a stable releaze comes to the daylight ... and rene should have time for working on rock in some weeks ... 23:12 < rolla> ja 23:12 < mnemoc> when he get internet access? 23:12 < rolla> he moved? 23:12 < esdentem> yes ... and when he is ready with his exams i suppose 23:12 < ringo> mnemoc: webster: "3. Mathematics. To approach a limit." https://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=converge 23:14 < mnemoc> ringo: thanks :) i thought that on-the-fly translation was wrong 23:14 < ringo> np 23:19 < mnemoc> what really hit my motivation was seen some of my patches waiting since august and kde3.2 getting in 23:41 < esdentem> humm ... 23:42 < daja77> kde3.2 is in? 23:42 < mnemoc> there is a branch for it 23:43 < daja77> rxr is kde maintainer for a long time, maybe it was just easier for him to do that then to check your patches 23:44 < daja77> but i'd really appreciate it to discuss this with him and not now 23:44 < mnemoc> me too 23:45 < daja77> k. 23:49 < esdentem> aaaargh ... damn fedora is not considering that someone would like to change the content of PROMPT_COMMAND variable >_< 23:52 < daja77> huh? 23:54 < esdentem> i fixed it 23:55 < daja77> so you could get a fedora dev :D 23:58 < esdentem> haha ... 23:59 < esdentem> first I have to find a nice solution to that ... 23:59 < daja77> it is a sweet distribution 23:59 * daja77 hides 23:59 < daja77> .oO (night trolling) --- Log closed Sat Feb 07 00:00:15 2004