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--- Log opened Wed Feb 11 00:00:12 2004 00:08 < daja77> mnemoc: is this a completely new forum 00:09 < daja77> i mean even freebsd sucks is empty 00:09 < daja77> ah seems so, 18 registered users 00:12 < mnemoc> daja77: free your tongue 00:12 < mnemoc> fingers* 00:12 < daja77> rofl @ gentoo sucks 00:14 < mnemoc> "I wonder, why it doesn't remove glibc. 00:15 < daja77> hehe 00:15 < mnemoc> "I wonder, why it doesn't remove glibc. 00:15 < mnemoc> err 00:16 < mnemoc> "But gentoo is very young distro, and I hope, it won't suck in 3-4 years" 00:16 < daja77> sco sucks ... 00:17 < mnemoc> lol 00:18 < daja77> You know, I'm just not feeling the love from RedHat. It's not that it sucks. . . it's just not good 00:18 < daja77> ^^ 00:19 < mnemoc> =) 00:20 * Aard <- hungry 00:24 < fake> Aard: eat! 00:25 < daja77> ack 00:27 < daja77> n8 you all 00:28 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 00:28 < mnemoc> happy knoppix tomorrow 00:28 < Aard> fake: I would have to walk 3 meters to get somethitg to eat 00:28 < daja77> :p 00:29 < fake> Aard: omfg. 00:29 < Aard> fake: ? 00:29 < fake> Aard: i can understand the psychologic disaster you are in. 00:33 < Aard> I think I,ll go to bed. its not as far as my fridge 00:34 < mnemoc> walking? 00:36 < Aard> mnemoc: I can roll 20cm in my chair and then fall into the bed 00:37 < mnemoc> as almost any geek room 00:38 * mnemoc wonders why 00:40 < Aard> mnemoc: https://bwachter.lart.info/public/pictures/nr/ 00:43 < mnemoc> Aard: he needs a bigger screen 00:44 < Aard> mnemoc: no 00:45 < Aard> why would I? 00:47 < mnemoc> =) 00:47 < mnemoc> 17"? 00:47 < Aard> I need a KVM-switch with more ports 00:47 < Aard> 19" 00:48 < mnemoc> looks tiny there :) 00:48 < mnemoc> 19" is ok 00:49 < Aard> thats what I did last weekeni. last friday my bed was wher emy hardware is now. 00:51 < Aard> strange. there is a box with caldera openlinux on my shelf 01:13 < fake> Aard: do you have a license? 01:14 < Aard> fake: I don't know if sco thinks that I,m still allowed to use that. It's a box I got directly from caldera 01:28 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD950698D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:37 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:40 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Success) 02:04 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-132.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:07 * fake is puzzled ... 02:07 < fake> why does modules/*/kernel/drivers/{scsi,net}/*.{ko,o} expand to modules/*/kernel/drivers/{scsi,net}/*.o ? 02:07 < fake> this sucks 02:08 < mnemoc> uhm? 02:13 < fake> it's stange. 02:13 < fake> it's in the build_stage1.sh of the bootdisk target 02:13 < fake> i try to make it 2.6-kernel-capable 02:13 < mnemoc> modules/*/kernel/drivers/{scsi,net}/*.{ko,o} is perfectly ok 02:13 < fake> so i must look for .o as well as .ko 02:13 < fake> no 02:14 < fake> if there is no .o file, it expands to modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/*.o 02:15 < mnemoc> modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/*.ko modules/*/kernel/drivers/scsi/*.o modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/*.ko modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/*.o 02:16 < mnemoc> echo it :) 02:16 < mnemoc> well, expantions thta not match get the wildcats 02:17 < mnemoc> that why inside for x in * there is a if [ -f $x ] 02:17 < fake> then i'll simply add that 02:19 < fake> ah, a reply from orkut 02:22 < mnemoc> do they answer mails??? 02:22 < mnemoc> i have three female-by-mistake friends who haven't 02:23 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-048.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 02:24 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-048.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 02:25 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-132.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:25 < fake> mnemoc: it's not really an answer... 02:26 < mnemoc> 'we got your mail and we are thinking about, wait a second message soon' 02:26 < fake> they ask for my real name - like they need anything besides my account name... 02:26 < fake> ha, bootdisk is now 2.6 compatible ;) 02:27 < mnemoc> if [ -f $x ] ? 02:27 < fake> jep. 02:28 < fake> and a comment on the use of this line ;) 02:28 * fake test-booting 02:31 < fake> gawk: /bin/hwscan:324: internal error 02:32 * mnemoc kicks gwak 02:34 < fake> hm 02:35 < fake> the rock config for 2.6 kernels lacks built-in ide-cdrom support... *narf* 02:35 < fake> and the 2nd_stage loader doens't know about.ko files 02:36 < mnemoc> i think bootdisk kernel config shall be different than default kernel config 02:36 < fake> mnemoc: aargh! you broke my patch monopoly! ;) 02:36 < mnemoc> =) 02:36 < fake> ack 02:36 < mnemoc> i did it :P 02:37 < mnemoc> you give me the ip addrs :) 02:37 < fake> ;) 02:37 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522CBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 02:42 < mnemoc> fake: considering you are playing kernel-config don't you like the idea of splitting it? 02:43 < fake> it _should_ already be splitted. kernel config is target-specific 02:43 < mnemoc> yes but default is what bootdisk needs 02:44 < fake> default?? 02:44 < fake> thaht would mean only symbios scsi support, and e100 ethernet ;) 02:45 < mnemoc> arch specific core-config 02:45 < mnemoc> and support to what can be found in *any* machine 02:46 < mnemoc> mm... any tipical machine :) 02:46 < mnemoc> kiss 02:46 < mnemoc> - SCSI for example 02:47 < fake> thaht's exactlry how it is now.. ? 02:47 < fake> isn't it? 02:47 < fake> i 'm afraid i don't get what you mean :( 02:47 < mnemoc> it's quite fat 02:48 < mnemoc> well, defconfig is fat and i think we must clean it a bit 02:48 < mnemoc> but.... future, don't worry 02:48 < fake> *nod* ;) 02:49 < mnemoc> =) 02:54 * fake implementing kernel version detection in linuxrc 02:56 < mnemoc> want to see that patch ;) 02:58 < mnemoc> s/^\(.*\)/i \1/ 02:58 < mnemoc> uhm.... what a nasty expression 03:01 < fake> simply insert 'i ' in front of any line? 03:02 < fake> for i in `cat file` ; do echo "i $i" ; done 03:03 < mnemoc> o_O 03:07 < tfing> mnemoc: cat file | sed 'ii' 03:07 < tfing> err... not 03:09 < mnemoc> if i '<mnemoc> ii' nobody will understand i want to insert an 'i' at the begining of my last quote 03:09 < mnemoc> well.... s/^\(.*\)/i \1/ is not much clearer :( 03:10 < tfing> s/^/i/ should be sufficient 03:11 < tfing> s/^/i / in fact 03:11 < tfing> depends on how you qualify clear 03:11 < mnemoc> that's what i wanted =) 03:14 < fake> hm... 03:15 < fake> should i use the uname system call or read from /proc ? 03:16 < fake> uname upside is support for several unices... 03:16 < fake> but it eats a bit more memory 03:16 < fake> because it also fetches version, etc 03:16 < mnemoc> call uname will be cheaper (bytes of linuxrc) 03:17 < fake> i see the upside at the multi-os-capability 03:17 < fake> we can re-use that ;ater ;) 03:18 < mnemoc> laaaaaater 03:19 < fake> not that much later. 03:19 < fake> laaater. 03:20 < mnemoc> the half :) 03:23 < fake> it sucks to add the extraversion to release 03:23 < fake> *sigh* 03:23 < fake> i think that is something i can do during school tom... later today 03:25 < mnemoc> uhm? 03:25 < mnemoc> -rock or -foo? 03:44 -!- puzzled [~patrick@puzzled.xs4all.nl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:11 < fake> root@jana:/rock/rock# ./test 04:11 < fake> Module Loader: insmod, Module Suffix: .ko 04:11 < fake> fine. 04:13 < fake> and on freebsd: 04:13 < fake> fake@justice$ ./test 04:13 < fake> Module Loader: kldload, Module Suffix: .ko 04:16 < mnemoc> bsd? 04:32 < fake> fine. 04:33 < fake> yeah. just to proove it works ;) 04:37 * fake going to bed 04:37 < fake> i have to go to school at 6:45 :( 04:38 < fake> linuxrc still not finished - need to add directory walking 04:39 < fake> but you'll see tomorrow - the linux version detection is pretty smart *g* 04:39 < fake> n8~! 04:41 < mnemoc> i need to read that patch :P 04:41 < mnemoc> n8 fake 04:50 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.184.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:02 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.139.115.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:29 -!- cochilion [freesco@201.128.206.70] has joined #rocklinux 06:33 -!- cochilion [freesco@201.128.206.70] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 06:36 -!- YDSik is now known as YDS 07:47 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has joined #rocklinux 07:47 < Baldzius> moin 08:00 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a74.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:01 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has joined #rocklinux 08:02 < sten> does Rock have the separation between base-system and user-software that FreeBSD does? 08:05 < jsaw_> sten: yes 08:06 < jsaw_> sten: there are two main categories, "base" and "extra". 08:22 < sten> does base remain constant, except for security patches? 08:23 < jsaw_> not really. but why should it? 08:24 < sten> BSD philosophy... if it's not broken, don't fix it 08:25 < jsaw_> if doesn't brake anything else, update it... 08:25 < sten> it's ok if it updates between x.1's though 08:25 < sten> jsaw_: good point ;-) 08:25 < sten> yeah, that's ok too 08:26 < sten> hey, I think Debian does what I'm thinking of with it's "stable" branch... (Debian stable is too old for linux 2.6 though) 08:27 < sten> for example: 08:27 < sten> err 08:27 < sten> "Will the Rocklinux 2.0_base tree remain unchanged, except for security patches?" 08:27 < sten> (while 2.1_base is where the new stuff will occure) 08:28 < jsaw_> I'm pretty sure, updates will be more restrictive after 2.0 has been released (of course the new dev tree 2.1 is sth. different) 08:29 < sten> cool ;-) 08:29 < sten> I can't wait for 2.0, btw 08:29 < sten> do you think it'll be out within the month? 08:30 < jsaw_> nope. I guess we will need another release candidate. But we are definitely not far away. Some developers however have to sort their real life currently... so we have some delays... 08:32 < sten> what needs to be worked on? (that isn't on the flyspray bug-reporting page) 08:34 < sten> "package a needs package b.x, but if package b.x is installed then package c breaks, but package b.y works for package c, breaking a" type stuff? 08:34 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-132.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:34 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-132.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:35 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-049.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:35 < jsaw_> sten: wait a second, me one phone 08:35 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-049.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:43 < jsaw_> sten: actually I do not have the overview. I'm working on rocknet, gnome, rockscan. Most of it is working. But actually everything needs testes, breakers :) and polishers. 08:43 < jsaw_> s/testes/testers/ 08:44 < jsaw_> me -> crawling towards coffee machine, bias 08:46 < sten> ah, breakers... I always seem to run into those 08:47 < sten> what is rockscan, by the way? Is that a hotplug replacement? 08:49 < sten> or is that rockplug? 08:50 < jsaw_> ups, yes rockplug. 08:50 < sten> what does rockscan do? 08:50 < jsaw_> rockscan is part of rockplug. It does the cold plugging (= hardware scan on boot). 08:51 < sten> cool. You're just the guy I need to talk to ;-) 08:51 * jsaw_ hides 08:52 < sten> I have a usb 802.11b NIC. Currently I have a nice rc.wlan init script for it, which I've integrated into Slackware's BSD-style init scripts. No hotplugging 08:53 < sten> does rocknet, rockscan, and (rockwlan?) have a sufficient level of abstractation necessary to handle this? 08:53 < blindcoder> moin 08:54 < sten> (four years ago, I used, and loved Rock. After a hardware failure, [unrelated to Rock] I decided to go on a distro-quest, and ended up using Slackware. I've been waiting for Rock 2.0 as a reason to switch back) 08:55 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-212-144-072-163.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:55 < jsaw_> sten: look into /etc/rockplug/config/usb.usermap (look for usbfs.perm) and the respective script in /etc/rockplug/scripts/ 08:55 -!- saskatoon [~saskatoon@dialin-212-144-019-173.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:55 < sten> jsaw_: ahh, I see how that works already (I don't have the scripts in front of me, but I understand) 08:55 < blindcoder> yes, they can, although I handled my ndiswrapper for Centrino via an own script which was run at network up and network down 08:55 < jsaw_> hi blindcoder 08:56 < blindcoder> hi jsaw_ 08:56 < jsaw_> that's the next step, rocknet. I don't know how good it handles wlan yet. 08:56 < sten> does rockplug completely replace the userland hotplug? 08:56 < blindcoder> jsaw_: it handles it just great 08:56 * sten grins 08:57 < blindcoder> I'm using it for over two months now without any problems 08:57 < jsaw_> sten: yes 08:57 < blindcoder> well, the problems I had are fixed by now :) 08:59 < jsaw_> brb 09:03 < sten> hmm, rocklinux.[org,net] are both down 09:04 < blindcoder> yes >_< 09:04 < blindcoder> looks like the DNS entries are gone 09:07 < sten> weird 09:08 < sten> early today, I thought/hoped it was because Rock 2.0 was out ;-) 09:09 < blindcoder> the ns.nextra.at (DNS for www.rocklinux.net) returns NXDOMAN for www.rocklinux.net 09:10 < blindcoder> 213.225.54.156 rocklinux.org www.rocklinux.org www.rocklinux.net 09:10 < blindcoder> put this in /etc/hosts and it works 09:11 < sten> thanks 09:11 < blindcoder> np 09:13 < sten> that would still work if a site used a dns round-robin approach, right? (one would then be connecting to a specific server/ip) 09:13 < blindcoder> well, if the DNS-Server doesn't have the DNS-Entries anymore, then that approach would faile nonetheless 09:14 < sten> because the ip entered was the DNS-server's ip, and not one of the www-servers? 09:14 < blindcoder> ehm... now I can't follow you anymore... 09:15 < blindcoder> the dns-servers for www.rocklinux.(net,org) don't have the dns-entries anymore 09:15 < blindcoder> but the machine is still up and running 09:15 < sten> I was earlier thinking about asking for the ip, to put in /etc/hosts, but 09:16 < blindcoder> that's what I gave you up there 09:16 < sten> was cought up in thinking about whether or not, 09:16 < sten> www.rocklinux.(net,org) was on a DNS round-robin, and if so, whether or not it would work 09:16 < sten> (just one of those times when one spaces off) 09:17 < sten> err, spaces out 09:17 < blindcoder> I don't think it was 09:18 -!- YDS [proxyuser@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has quit ("I go in hacked world............ :(") 09:22 < sten> thanks. You gave me the ip I was thinking about asking for, as I was thinking about possible network topology's which would make that self-same ip useless for me ;-) 10:12 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091a74.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:14 < sten> whoa, it looks like I'm definitely coming back to Rock. From what I'm reading, and from my current experience getting KDE-3.2 working for Slackware, Rock elegantly addresses all of the faults I find in Slackware 10:26 < sten> reading the HACKING-HOWTO right now 10:27 < sten> (I always like to know how to build my own packages, because I often have to myself) 10:27 < blindcoder> there aqre two helper scripts for that 10:27 < blindcoder> misc/archive/newpackage.sh 10:28 < blindcoder> and misc/archive/fmnewpackage.sh for freshmeat-listed packages 10:28 -!- YDS [proxyuser@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has joined #rocklinux 10:29 < sten> WOW! That's the handiest change I've seen yet! (I've been gone since the 1.4 days) 10:29 < blindcoder> *smile* 10:29 < blindcoder> hi YDS 10:32 < sten> is rxr maintaining kde? I'd like to lend him a hand, if I can, to see if Rock-2.0-release will have KDE-3.2 10:32 < sten> *release can have KDE-3.2 10:34 < blindcoder> yes he is 10:34 < blindcoder> but currently without internet connection 10:34 < sten> whoa 10:35 < sten> is he doing that for the purpose of "going out into the wilderness for spiritual enlightenment (coding inspiration in this case)" 10:35 < sten> it doesn't really matter, I guess 10:35 < blindcoder> he moved 10:36 -!- YDS [proxyuser@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has quit ("I go in hacked world............ :(") 10:36 < sten> ah. So it'll probably be a bit before I can contact him to see what I can do to help 10:36 < blindcoder> he reads his mails every now and then, so you can easily mail him 10:37 < sten> ok. Will do 10:37 < blindcoder> right now you could do a full build of the kde-3.2 branch and tell him if it works and fix non-workling things 10:37 < blindcoder> that'll help him the most I think 10:37 < Freak> duh. friday we had 17°C and now I wake up and everything's snowy-white! 10:37 * blindcoder jumping to next pc 10:38 < sten> Freak: I know the feeling! It's like that on the Canadian prairies too. 10:39 < Freak> haha :) 10:39 < Freak> so.. Karlsruhe is like the canadian prairies now.. weeee :)) 10:39 -!- YDS [proxyuser@104-128.dialup.itte.kz] has joined #rocklinux 10:39 < sten> blindcoder: ok. In that case, it looks like I'm going to put that extra partition to work. Which cd's do I need for a base-system? 10:39 < daja77> moin Freak 10:40 < Freak> hi da 10:40 < Freak> daja77 10:40 < Freak> (grmbl) 10:40 < daja77> :) 10:40 < sten> blindcoder: or is there a way to build a partial target? 10:41 < blindcoder> re 10:41 < sten> blindcoder: would you somehow mask the upper stages of the build process for that? 10:42 < blindcoder> sten: if you update your mktemp with the one from ROCK you should be perfectly fine 10:42 * clifford just paid his domain bill... 10:42 < blindcoder> buit if you want to install a system, I advise to general”, then expert options and then package template minimal 10:42 < blindcoder> hi clifford 10:42 < blindcoder> clifford: so the rocklinux domains should soon be available again? *g* 10:43 < sten> that's why it was down ;-) 10:47 < sten> blindcoder: I'd like to test Rock chroot'ed, because it's important that I remain connected to my current comunications infrastructure. (no time to migrate, and it's nice to change vt's, to check email via mutt, from a fully configured system) 10:47 < sten> blindcoder: are there any issues with this? 10:48 < sten> ...assuming I mount -bind /proc, and /dev 10:51 < blindcoder> shouldn't be a problem 10:51 < blindcoder> but you really should have devfs or devfsd 10:51 < sten> yup 10:53 < sten> and when I'm done, I'll migrate my working chroot'ed Rock installation to my primary system partition 10:53 < sten> (after 2.0-release, of course) 10:54 < blindcoder> heh 10:55 < sten> I like to run a well tested setup! 10:55 < sten> ;-) 10:56 < blindcoder> the generic setup can be considered well tested as well as the desktop one 10:56 < sten> exactly what I want to hear. 10:57 < sten> Does target=Desktop have a package template minimal? 10:58 < blindcoder> it has its own package list which is less than generic IIRC 10:59 < blindcoder> but the templates are generally available 10:59 < blindcoder> though a Desktop/minimal isn't tested thoroughly I think 11:01 < sten> well, now that I'm planning on testing chroot'ed Rock, I don't mind bug-hunting 11:02 < blindcoder> that's nice to hear ^_^ 11:02 < sten> Desktop/minimal seems like it would be the most usefull to me. 11:02 < blindcoder> I'm currently working on the binary release of LVP so my answers are a bit laggy 11:03 < sten> LVP? 11:03 < blindcoder> https://lvp.crash-override.net/ 11:03 < blindcoder> a livesystem for playing videos 11:06 < sten> It looks promising 11:06 < blindcoder> well, if it weren't for the looks >_< 11:06 < blindcoder> I'll try to get some LCARS design together as soon as my current job is done :) 11:07 * blindcoder walking to the next pc, brb 11:12 < rxr> re 11:12 < rxr> is there a problem with rocklinux.org and .net ? 11:14 < sten> "clifford just paid his domain bill" 11:19 < blindcoder> re 11:19 < daja77> 22:37 < fake> echo "213.225.54.156 www.rocklinux.net rocklinux.org clifford.at" >> /etc/hosts 11:19 < blindcoder> just what I did a year ago :) 11:19 < rxr> oO - I thought this would only happen to M$ ... 11:19 < blindcoder> moin rxr 11:19 < blindcoder> moin daja77 11:20 < rxr> moin all 11:20 < daja77> moin blindy 11:20 < daja77> moin rxr 11:21 < blindcoder> rxr: how's your connection? 11:23 < rxr> oO - thousands of mails ... 11:23 < rxr> I'm just sitting at Susan's ROCK box ... 11:24 < blindcoder> ah ok 11:28 < blindcoder> narf, this telnet is totally screwed >_< 11:29 < sten> rxr: what can I do to help get KDE 3.2 ready for Rock 2.0? 11:30 < sten> What is this "Realtime" support I'm reading about in ./scripts/Config (advanced) 11:30 < sten> is that the pre-emptive scheduler patch, or Linux-as a process on a microkernel? 11:31 -!- th_ [th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:31 < blindcoder> neither one. IIRC mnemoc and daja77 know a bit about this 11:31 -!- th_ is now known as th 11:34 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p508028D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:38 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802B76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:40 < sten> what is the difference between ./scripts/Config, and ./scripts/Config --system. The Handbook says: "So now we start configuring the target that will build the packages for the system" 11:40 < sten> why don't the values for ./scripts/Config become default for ./scripts/Config --system? I don't understand the need for both 11:40 < sten> which is the base system 11:40 < blindcoder> --system? Maybe I should start reading the handbook :) 11:40 < sten> ? 11:41 < sten> :-) the --system is new 11:41 < sten> to 2.0 11:41 < blindcoder> I never used the --system... 11:41 < sten> ok, I'll skip it then. (I was reading the Handbook, because I'm out of date ala Rock 1.4) 11:50 < rxr> sten: I guess you meatn -cfg system ... 11:51 * blindcoder --> lunch 11:52 < rxr> sten: A quick grep in the handbook did not reveal any --system ;-) 11:53 < sten> rxr: I was reading the online version @ https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de 11:53 < sten> it's actually ./scripts/Config -cfg system 11:54 < sten> my typo.. 11:54 < sten> I think it's a gnu --options style reflex 11:54 < netrunne1> sten: leaving the -cfg blubb away is the same as -cfg default 11:54 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 11:55 * daja77 'll finish his modified knoppix with isolinux bootloader soon after breakfast 11:55 < rxr> daja77: huh ??? What are you doing ? 11:56 < sten> rxr: why does ./scripts/Config system exist? 11:57 < sten> Config -cfg system 11:57 < rxr> do create different configs for different builds 11:58 < sten> so that one can use one rock-src tree for multiple targets? 11:58 < rxr> e.g. in the Handbook I explain that for an end-user CD you need the system build, the one the user installs later - and the boot-cd-code build for the actual bootable CD 11:58 < rxr> (the bootdisk stuff was ugly mangled around in ROCK 1.4 and 1.6 times - and is now a clean nice shining free-standing ROCK target) 11:58 < rxr> sten: yes 11:59 < rxr> and you can build the bootdisk code seperated and/or parallel to a "normal" build. 11:59 < rxr> the config name is you free choise - e.g. ./scripts/Confgi -cfg my-personal-firewall 12:00 < sten> ahh. the buzz word for this would be "Build Profiling" 12:01 < sten> it's a good idea. Out of curiousity, has gcc 3.x matured enough that it is safe to build an Athlon optimized base system? 12:03 < th> hi rxr, hi daja 12:04 < rxr> hi th 12:05 < rxr> sten: yes - gcc-3* are really good 12:05 -!- scoopexH [~marc@chameleon.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:05 < rxr> sten: the only problem occurs with pentium iV ... 12:06 < netrunner> rxr: I have a p4 on rocklinux ... rc3 iirc 12:07 < netrunner> rxr: only some packages fail ... hi btw ;) 12:07 < rxr> with gcc-3.2.x some bits are miscomiled 12:07 < rxr> gcc-3.3.x should be fine ... 12:07 < sten> rxr: does the xeon have the same problems? (I wish I had one...) 12:07 < rxr> it is a code-generatin problem of gcc-3.3 for pentium-iv optimisation 12:08 < rxr> and already fixed in recent gccs ... 12:08 < sten> cool 12:08 < sten> I instantly developed a conspiracy theory about Intel's crippling the P4 ;-) 12:09 < netrunner> athlon with intel compiler https://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=a13e403a.0402091438.14018f5a%40posting.google.com 12:10 < netrunner> rxr: already started an apply-orgy? ;) 12:10 < rxr> nope 12:12 < sten> netrunner: wow, I just read that groups.google post. Now if only gcc could legally come into possession of that optomization code, while preserving GPL... 12:13 < daja77> hi th 12:18 < netrunner> (german) *bruell* https://www-student.cs.uni-bonn.de/%7Ehillenko/geschwindigkeitsuebertretung.pdf 12:25 < daja77> read it yesterday 12:26 < netrunner> daja77: so why didn't you post it here? hmmmm? keeping things secret you are! 12:29 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-082-082-220-024.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:34 < sten> well, I need to get some sleep. Later 12:35 < daja77> forgot it ... 12:35 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has quit ("Building ROCK for a chroot test") 12:36 < netrunner> daja77: np ;) 12:36 * netrunner considers skipping cbit in favour of linuxtag 12:37 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-067-195.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:37 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 12:41 -!- ROCKBot [~piespy@p508028D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:41 < netrunner> *g* 12:43 < netrunner> daja77: *pieks* 12:44 * netrunner experimenting on #rocklinux users 12:47 < netrunner> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html 12:47 -!- scoopexH [~marc@chameleon.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 12:48 < th> daja77: he is experimenting on you... 12:48 < th> netrunner: bastard 12:48 < th> (please redraw) ;> 12:49 < netrunner> th: it redraws every few seconds 12:49 < th> netrunner: i see 12:50 < th> netrunner: you should add the "aether" for unlinked communication 12:51 < netrunner> th: sorry, I do not understand 12:52 < th> netrunner: create another node called "aether". and connect each sentence to it when it does not contain another nick 12:52 < th> this shows how much people talk unaddressed 12:52 < netrunner> th: unlinked communication is simply not linked. lines fade away anyway. 12:55 < netrunner> https://kqe.de/pruell/632754.jpg 12:59 < clifford> netrunner: this is a test. ;-) 13:00 < clifford> daja77: cool! 13:00 < netrunner> hehehe, clifford on top of all :) 13:00 < netrunner> better than orkut :) 13:00 < th> clifford: first crossing? 13:00 < th> yea 13:00 < clifford> th: let's see who it lokks now.. 13:00 < rxr> hi clifford 13:00 < clifford> rxr: hi 13:01 < clifford> this is fun. *g* 13:01 < th> there - a quite far-away rxr ;) 13:01 < th> let's draw something :) 13:01 -!- netrunner is now known as somebodyelse 13:01 < somebodyelse> th: buh! 13:01 -!- somebodyelse is now known as netrunner 13:01 < th> hehe 13:01 < netrunner> hihi 13:02 < th> somebodyelse: foo 13:02 < th> ouh 13:02 < netrunner> nobody: where are you? 13:03 < rxr> yeah hi fake and netrunner 13:03 < th> it should support node-linkage.. 13:03 < clifford> yo fake! 13:03 < netrunner> fake? 13:03 < th> what about fake? 13:03 < netrunner> hey, I am the center :) 13:04 < netrunner> th: brought to the network :) 13:04 < th> somebodyelse and daja77: foo! 13:05 < clifford> hm... my dns is still down.. 8-( 13:05 < th> clifford: what do you mean by "my dns"? 13:05 < th> clifford: the caches you are using? 13:06 < th> clifford: or servers serving some domain for you? 13:06 < clifford> the .at servers stopped servinc clifford.at, and rocklinux.* are just cnames to clifford.at hosts. 13:06 < daja77> clifford: huh? 13:07 < th> clifford: perhaps you should change your registring provider? 13:07 < clifford> they prommised to me 3 hours ago that they will turn it on again asap.. 13:07 < clifford> my reg provider is nic.at - all other austrian regristrats are just forwarding to nic.at. 13:08 < th> i see 13:08 < clifford> i've forgott to pay my bill - that's the problem. 13:08 < blindcoder> re 13:08 < th> clifford: so you should perhaps stop clifford.at being SPOF ;> 13:08 < netrunner> hi blindcoder *link* 13:09 < blindcoder> hi netrunner *unlink* 13:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: doesn't work :) 13:10 < blindcoder> damn 13:10 < rxr> clifford: what is this?!?: 13:10 < rxr> https://213.225.54.156/www.rocklinux.net/submaster 13:11 < clifford> it cant resolve it's own dns name. 13:11 < th> rxr: that's an 301 Moved Permanently to an unresolvable hostname 13:11 < netrunner> ui https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/3475611.stm 13:11 < clifford> th: yes. 13:12 < clifford> rxr: try adding a slash. 13:13 < clifford> netrunner: "she has closed the sale after receiving a ?8,400 bid on Sunday" wow! 13:15 * netrunner starts taking pictures of himself ... 13:15 < th> netrunner: wanna sell your virginity too? ;) 13:16 < netrunner> th: you think they''ll notice ... ? ;) 13:16 < th> ;-> 13:16 < daja77> 8400 for her?! 13:16 < th> daja77: i thought you get her virginity... 13:17 < daja77> what should i do with that 13:17 < th> resell 13:17 < th> become a reseller 13:17 < netrunner> th: hehe 13:17 < clifford> ;-) 13:17 < daja77> rofl 13:17 < netrunner> buy one, get one free 13:17 < th> .oO(VAR) 13:17 < clifford> can I simply buy an option? 13:17 < daja77> damn shit 13:18 < clifford> I could senn it back as soon as she has a boyfriend and whats to have sex with him.. ;-) 13:18 < clifford> s/senn/sell/ ..that's a strange typo. 13:18 < th> could be a good investment 13:18 < daja77> this pic is horrible 13:18 < netrunner> daja77: at night all cats are grey 13:19 < th> .oO(but they still smell) 13:19 < daja77> lol 13:19 < netrunner> bah 13:19 < th> harr harr 13:19 * th <-- good mood. 13:19 * daja77 not 13:19 * netrunner hands daja77 a cookie 13:20 < daja77> thx 13:22 < mnemoc> moin 13:23 < daja77> hi mnemoc 13:23 < mnemoc> hi dajappix 13:24 < daja77> mnemoc: osflamewars.org is not really used 13:24 < mnemoc> i know 13:24 < mnemoc> it's not really known 13:25 -!- Baldzius_ [~user@213.226.136.82] has joined #rocklinux 13:25 < daja77> osflamewars.org sucks 13:25 < daja77> ^^ 13:25 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:26 < mnemoc> daja77: that's why i tell you that a wiki.rl.org can be good for an _objective_ 'what wrong with $foo' 13:26 < daja77> sigh 13:26 < mnemoc> may be 'pros and cons' is a better aproach :) 13:27 < mnemoc> it can give us 'googlemoney' :-) 13:28 < daja77> gentoo sucks was ok for me ^^ 13:28 < mnemoc> well... in gentoo case there is not much to say :\ 13:36 < netrunner> moin mnemoc :) 13:36 < mnemoc> moin netrunner (drawing a new line) 13:37 < netrunner> :) 13:37 < mnemoc> how is your java today? 13:38 < netrunner> mnemoc: now running from my build server, serving the images on waterworld (above link) 13:40 < daja77> damn i should have read the knoppix kernel patch more closely 13:40 < mnemoc> until we talked it was an nice 'starship' 13:40 < daja77> rebuilding kernel ... 13:40 < daja77> so stop talking ^^ 13:40 < mnemoc> uhm? while(1) fork() ? 13:41 < blindcoder> fork-bombs are boring 13:41 < daja77> nope knopper changed some kernel errs into warnings to get it working 13:41 < blindcoder> ehm 13:41 < daja77> yeah dirty hacks ... 13:42 < daja77> but it seems without them it doesn't work 13:42 < mnemoc> just 'dirty'? 13:42 < daja77> what else? 13:42 < mnemoc> trust abusive? discusting? ... 13:43 < blindcoder> just plain wrong? 13:43 < mnemoc> blindcoder: that sounds better :) 13:44 < daja77> that are just timeout errs which are turned into warnings, knoppix is so slow 13:44 < blindcoder> one could also say he's a <A>litigious bastard</A> 13:45 * blindcoder switching PC 13:46 < mnemoc> daja77: slow enough to need kernel patching?? ... it wasn't that slow last time i used it :( 13:46 < daja77> it is, when initializing hd 13:47 < daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/knoppix-kernel.patch 13:49 < mnemoc> HOSTCC = gcc-2.95 13:49 < mnemoc> err... 13:49 < mnemoc> why gcc2?? 13:49 < daja77> id did not ported that part ... 13:49 < blindcoder> re 13:49 < th> bbl 13:50 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has left #rocklinux () 13:51 < mnemoc> daja77: well... ignoring CC part, it's not *that* ugly 13:52 < daja77> i know 13:54 < daja77> i get exactly that err in ide.c on two machines 13:55 < mnemoc> what about increasing the time limit? 13:55 < daja77> ^^ 13:55 < daja77> dunno haven't tried 13:59 < mnemoc> oh! i havent noticed smp's studio-picture on orkut 14:06 < blindcoder> that's why I hate windows... 14:06 < blindcoder> "You have exceeded your quota" DAMMIT! I'M THE ADMIN *ARGH* 14:06 < mnemoc> hm? 14:06 < mnemoc> LOL 14:08 < daja77> rotfl 14:11 < clifford> hmm.. rocklinux.* and clifford.at should be reachable again by 17:00. (just fyi) 14:11 < clifford> (MET ;-) 14:13 < blindcoder> good :) 14:13 < blindcoder> then everyone can bitch about my new patches :) 14:23 -!- alanjwylie [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:26 < cytrinox> moin 14:27 < mnemoc> blindcoder: https://213.225.54.156/www.rocklinux.net/submaster 14:27 < mnemoc> submit them now :) 14:27 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox 14:28 < mnemoc> err... it's down?! :( 14:29 < rolla> re 14:29 < netrunner> mnemoc: nope, just added a patch 14:31 * mnemoc kicks his isp 14:33 < mnemoc> netrunner: haven't you already sent a moz-1.6 patch? 14:33 -!- alanw [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 14:34 < netrunner> mnemoc: I wondered also, but my submaster rep had none, and I found none on the ml, so I considered I forgot. 14:34 -!- alanw [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has quit ("Leaving") 14:34 < netrunner> mnemoc: hm, now that you say it, that was the very first thing in my submaster history. I'll discard one. 14:35 -!- alanw [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 14:35 < mnemoc> https://213.225.54.156/www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004013017215104226 14:36 < mnemoc> discarded now :) 14:36 < netrunner> mnemoc: thx for voting for my first core-script change ;) 14:38 < mnemoc> the .err thing? 14:40 < blindcoder> mnemoc: the one I think will raise the most is already submitted :) 14:40 < mnemoc> Check-System? 14:40 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I have the IP address in my /etc/hosts for over a year now :) 14:40 < blindcoder> yes 14:41 < mnemoc> i have no problems with it :) 14:41 < blindcoder> :) 14:42 < blindcoder> I just talked with a potential user about rock and he said that he finds it rather distracting that ROCK only complains when building after one has download gigabytes of source 14:43 < netrunner> blindcoder: this can happen with any random package fault. 14:45 -!- darix [darix@monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de] has quit ("later") 14:45 * netrunner causing people talking randomly to each other on another channel := 14:46 < netrunner> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/blafasel-images.html 14:46 < netrunner> kids :) 14:49 < mnemoc> god! 14:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: sure, but normal people dont know any bette, use a generic with 1000+ packages and 5GB to download 14:49 < blindcoder> netrunner: no image... 14:50 < mnemoc> blindcoder: next 'distracting' thing is allowing fails on stage <= 2 14:50 < netrunner> blindcoder: there's always a race between image update and request, just hit reload 14:51 < mnemoc> blindcoder: didn't you wanted to change orkut's pic? 14:52 < netrunner> mnemoc: why? 14:52 < blindcoder> mnemoc: haven't got one yet 14:52 < blindcoder> netrunner: hmm... I don't know if this IE understands .png 14:53 < netrunner> blindcoder: ah, no doesnt :) 14:53 < blindcoder> yes, does :) 14:53 < blindcoder> everyone loves Kvedulv, hm? 14:54 < mnemoc> blindcoder: i'm using IE5.5 here 14:54 < blindcoder> netrunner: you could run this in #rocklinux, too :) 14:55 < netrunner> blindcoder: what? you mean https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html ? 14:55 < mnemoc> lol =) 14:56 < blindcoder> yes 14:56 < blindcoder> WEE! A love triangle :) 14:56 < mnemoc> :P 14:56 < blindcoder> and noone loves rxr :) 14:56 < mnemoc> now you do 14:57 < blindcoder> mnemoc: well, we can't leave himall by himself now, can we? :) 14:57 < mnemoc> poor rxr 14:57 < blindcoder> brb 14:57 * netrunner sends a cookie to rxr (and a line ;) 15:01 < blindcoder> re 15:02 < blindcoder> netrunner, the center of everything :) 15:02 * blindcoder pokes owl 15:03 < blindcoder> muahaha 15:03 < blindcoder> I do not want to see that image-creation code 15:05 < blindcoder> netrunner: is esdentem anywhere in kick-range? 15:07 * blindcoder feels lonely 15:09 * mnemoc gives a cookie to blindcoder 15:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: nope, /me at home 15:09 * blindcoder eating mnemoc's cookie and smiles :) 15:09 < blindcoder> netrunner: I see 15:10 * blindcoder draining netrunnner's pipe 15:11 < blindcoder> I wonder what would happen to the image if I just shouted everone's name once... 15:11 -!- Baldzius_ [~user@213.226.136.82] has quit () 15:12 < blindcoder> that would be a hell of a mess 15:13 * blindcoder switching PCs 15:20 < blindcoder> re 15:22 < blindcoder> okay, when I'm home I'll be able to release the pre-compiled LVP :) 15:36 < rolla> anyone around? 15:37 < mnemoc> me 15:37 < netrunner> rolla: /me is also round. 15:42 < rolla> cool 15:42 < rolla> how is it going? 15:42 * rolla is compiling samba 3 15:43 < blindcoder> rolla: meep 15:44 < blindcoder> netrunner: can you give me the url again? 15:44 < mnemoc> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html 15:44 < blindcoder> this stupid windows telnet doesn't allow page-up/down here 15:44 < mnemoc> blindcoder: google putty 15:44 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I may not install anything here 15:45 < rolla> you don't need to install 15:45 < blindcoder> mnemoc: I'm just the SAP install monkey 15:45 < rolla> it is a selfcontained binary 15:45 < mnemoc> blindcoder: copy&paste, share it from somewhere 15:45 < rolla> blindcoder: you work with SAP ? 15:45 < mnemoc> SAP?? ... /me will vomit :( 15:45 < blindcoder> rolla: no, I just install it 15:46 < rolla> the GUI? 15:46 < rolla> there is no work there 15:46 < blindcoder> rolla: no, but it takes a lot of time 15:47 < rolla> ? 15:47 < rolla> how so 15:47 < blindcoder> waiting for 300MB over network takes 30 mins 15:47 < rolla> oh over the network is death for that 15:47 < rolla> you just need a cd :) 15:47 < blindcoder> nah 15:48 < rolla> ? cd takes 15mintues 15:48 < blindcoder> I just do a monkey jump from pc to pc and start a batch-file (something like a shell script I was told) to install the SAPGUI 15:48 < netrunner> rolla: /me installs full systems over web @work, goes pretty fast :) (goooood line :) 15:48 < rolla> blindcoder: you do helpdesk stuff then? 15:48 < mnemoc> rolla: half time, half money :) 15:48 < rolla> ach so 15:48 < blindcoder> rolla: I do what has to be done 15:48 < blindcoder> usually I sit at home and do web-trainings 15:49 < mnemoc> blindcoder: you never used DOS? 15:49 < blindcoder> mnemoc: it's been a looooooong time :) 15:49 < blindcoder> I forced myself to forget 15:49 < mnemoc> ^^ 15:50 < mnemoc> netrunner: our line is getting weaker 15:50 < blindcoder> netrunner: that blafasel image look... interesting 15:51 < blindcoder> mnemoc: you don't love him anymore :P 15:51 < mnemoc> blindcoder: you are the lover of both 15:51 < blindcoder> heh, I'm the bitch :P 15:52 < blindcoder> owl, esdentem, rolla, mnemoc, netrunner.... everyone loves me :D 15:53 < blindcoder> or at least, deserves me :) 15:53 < mnemoc> deserve the bitch? mmmm 15:54 < netrunner> anybody here knows if qsc needs a seperate pair of copper wires, or if they just split the highband of my pair used by telekom? 15:55 < blindcoder> netrunner: no idea 15:56 < blindcoder> mnemoc: you get what you deserve, everyone gets me so they deserve me :P 15:56 < blindcoder> but don't ask for the logic behind that 15:56 < mnemoc> =) 15:57 < blindcoder> os, I always love spams that tell me how to stop spam 16:00 * blindcoder going home 16:00 < blindcoder> baba 16:02 < netrunner> cu blindcoder 16:07 < mnemoc> cu blindcoder 16:54 < blindcoder> rehi 16:55 < blindcoder> wow, I'm gone and everyone's silent :) 16:55 * blindcoder feels important 16:59 < mnemoc> you are the heart of the party :) 17:08 < blindcoder> heh :) 17:16 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091d06.adsl.terralink.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:22 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-235.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.113.45.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:41 < rolla> damn samba3 17:42 < mnemoc> uhm? 17:43 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-049.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Connection timed out) 17:43 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-235.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:44 < clifford> shit: my dns is still down and the is noone at the nic.at office anymore.. 17:45 < rolla> that sucks 17:45 < rolla> you need a secodary? 17:46 < clifford> no - they turned off my domain because the paiment bounced. 17:46 < clifford> and they have told me today thet they turned it already on again and it would be running again at 17:00 MET 17:47 < clifford> ..which is 45 hours ago. 17:48 < netrunner> oh, german "gymnasium" (not sport, more highschool) has just been shortened to 8 years. 17:49 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-049.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:49 < mnemoc> what do u have after that 'gymnasium'? 17:49 < mnemoc> univ.? 17:50 < netrunner> mnemoc: we have 4 (or 5) years elementary school, and the good ones that want to go to univ later have to go to this "gymnasium" for 9 (now 8) years to do their "abitur" 17:51 < netrunner> mnemoc: or short: yes :) 17:51 < mnemoc> how old do u enter elementary? and 'abitur'? 17:54 < SMP> elementary starts at 6 y/o 17:54 < SMP> Abitur after 13 (in some regions 12) years 17:55 < mnemoc> our elementary is 8 years, since 7 17:56 < mnemoc> then a hi-school of 4, and at 18 you can enter university (5-7 years) 17:56 < netrunner> SMP: true, my report was for bavaria, other countries already had 8 years. 17:57 < mnemoc> nice to know that bavaria is a country :) 17:58 < SMP> I wish they were, and they can even take Freistaat Sachsen with them into independence 17:59 < mnemoc> SMP: are your from 'Freistaat Sachsen'? 17:59 < SMP> no! 17:59 < SMP> (it's Saxony in English) 18:00 < mnemoc> =) 18:00 * SMP is from Lower Saxony originally, now living in Saxony-Anhalt ;) 18:01 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-235.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:01 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-235.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 18:02 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-235.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:03 < mnemoc> i'll have to take 'german culture and language I' one of these days 18:04 < SMP> mnemoc: it's very interesting to see how in a country as small as Germany there can be so many slightly different kinds of German people and even more dialects of German 18:05 < clifford> ok - dns is there egain. retry timeout is one hour... 18:06 * SMP waves to clifford 18:06 < rolla> clifford: I have my own DNS servers which I can help host domain for free if you wish? 18:06 < clifford> ther problem aren't my dns server - the problem is that at. stopped serving clifford.at. ;-) 18:07 < rolla> ah 18:07 < rolla> I see 18:07 < rolla> okay 18:07 < SMP> just get rid of these stupid cnames ... 18:08 < mnemoc> cnames are only good for dyndns :-) 18:08 < clifford> SMP: I've spend the last two weeks trying to migrate rocklinux.* to my DNS server and abovenet as secondary DNS. 18:08 < mnemoc> two weeks? 18:08 < mnemoc> what happened? 18:08 < clifford> But all contacts do point to mail-adresses which do not exist anymore.. 18:09 < mnemoc> uhm 18:09 < clifford> mnemoc: magnet, an isp i was used to work to in 1996-1998, registered those domains. 18:09 < SMP> do you need help? I think I know people at Nextra Austria 18:09 < clifford> the company has been sold 4 times since then. 18:10 < clifford> SMP: maybe - who do you know? 18:10 < clifford> s/who/whom/ ? 18:10 < clifford> hmm.. 18:10 < clifford> wow! first spam in 20 hours... ;-) 18:11 < mnemoc> prepare to be floooded 18:11 < SMP> hmm, no, these folks are from Eunet Austria 18:12 < SMP> only have contacts for Nextra Germany 18:12 < clifford> is nextra germany related to nextra austria, btw? 18:13 * clifford got out of touch since telenor sold nextra austria last year. 18:13 < SMP> I lost track of these things a while ago 18:15 < clifford> SMP: Do you have any expirience with D-Link switches? (DES-3250TG) 18:15 < SMP> nbope 18:15 < SMP> s,b,, 18:16 < clifford> with VLANs generally ? 18:16 < SMP> yes of course 18:16 < daja77> hi clifford & SMP 18:17 * clifford is creating a HA network with those switches, linux bonding device and VLANs. 18:18 < netrunner> https://jotun.ultrazone.org/g7/ 18:18 < clifford> it's kind of pervert to first bond two interfaces to one and then split it up into multiple VLAN interfaces... ;-) 18:18 < clifford> hi daja77. 18:19 < SMP> clifford: no, it's not ;) 18:19 < clifford> well - here is my question: 18:21 < clifford> With that switch I can configure a port to not be part of an VLAN or beeing one in the "forbidden" state. I can't see any difference and it's not very well documented. Does that "forbidden" just mean that this port can't bee added using GVRP or has it a meaning for static VLAN setups I didn't see so far? 18:24 < SMP> I have no idea. this sounds very specific to D-Link 18:24 < clifford> ah. ok. 18:25 < daja77> are their switches better than their cards? 18:25 < clifford> is GVRP worth having a look at it, btw? 18:25 < clifford> daja77: Imo the switch is pretty good. 18:26 < clifford> It's just ver funny that they managed to create such a web interface on the one hand, but didn't have the resources to implement a good terminal emulation for their cli on the other hand.. 18:26 < SMP> clifford: uhm. you don't want to be running GARP or even STP if you are serious about HA 18:28 < clifford> ok. that's what I thought already, and created a full static setup without even looking into GVRP (STP doesn't make sense in that setup anyways). 18:31 < clifford> SMP: do you have an OpenBSD handy ? 18:32 < SMP> yes 18:32 < clifford> https://213.225.54.156/clifford/cfun/gccfeat/ .. 1st program. 18:32 < clifford> IMO it should segfault on systems with non-executeable stack. 18:32 < clifford> could you test that for me? 18:33 < SMP> I'm on it 18:34 < clifford> thanks. 18:35 < SMP> wrath# echo a | ./gccfeat01 18:35 < SMP> Memory fault (core dumped) 18:36 < clifford> gdb on the coredump tells you that the instruction pointer is on the stack? 18:38 < SMP> how would I see that? 18:38 < clifford> gdb gccfeat01 core 18:39 < SMP> you mean the top-most stack-frame? 18:39 < SMP> #0 0x1c0005cf in bar (callback=0xcfbf26a8) at gccfeat01.c:6 18:39 < SMP> 6 callback(getc(stdin)); 18:39 < clifford> info reg 18:39 < SMP> eh 18:39 < SMP> eip 0x1c0005cf 0x1c0005cf 18:39 < clifford> and esp ? 18:39 < SMP> esp 0xcfbf2644 0xcfbf2644 18:39 < SMP> hm, so not quite 18:40 < clifford> yes - but that seams to be the last legal eip 18:40 < clifford> as we can seen, callback is on the stack 18:40 < clifford> an he is trying to exec that function pointer. 18:41 < clifford> cool, seams like openbsd programs are not using nested function which do access their surrund functions stack frame (like in my example). 18:42 < SMP> yes, because this is a sick way ;) 18:42 < clifford> .. isn't nice programing style anyways. ;-) 18:42 < SMP> I wonder why gcc makes it go over the stack 18:43 < SMP> (gdb) print foo 18:43 < SMP> $1 = {void (int)} 0x1c0005d8 <foo> 18:43 < SMP> ... after all 18:43 < clifford> because foobar could call itself recusively. 18:44 < clifford> so there are multiple instances of foo which would modify the stack frames of multiple instances of foobar. ;-) 18:44 < clifford> what gcc does is simple: it creates assembler code for foo and whenever foobar is called, this assembler code is copied on the stack and some addresses are corrected. 18:45 < clifford> look at the output of "gcc -S" for that program. 18:46 < clifford> also "nice" (in a very bizarr way ;-) is the use of goto labels as void pointers in my example program. 18:49 < clifford> this gcc features will provide me with absolute job security! *evilgrin* 18:53 < clifford> SMP: still there? 18:53 < SMP> yep 18:53 < SMP> trying to grok tha asm 18:53 < SMP> that 18:54 < SMP> damn lag 18:54 < clifford> u c why this needs to put executeable code on the stack? 18:55 < SMP> I see why, but not where ;) 18:56 < clifford> *g* 18:57 < clifford> hmm... /query? otherwise I would flood the channel with asm code.. ;-) 18:57 < SMP> sure, query 19:43 -!- buRaq [~mkuru@dsl81-215-37016.adsl.ttnet.net.tr] has joined #rocklinux 19:43 -!- buRaq [~mkuru@dsl81-215-37016.adsl.ttnet.net.tr] has left #rocklinux () 20:11 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:15 < mnemoc> if a .o redifines a symbol of libc, what extra should i give to gcc to make ld happy? 20:27 -!- scoopexH [~marc@td9091d06.adsl.terralink.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:29 -!- lesshaste [~lesshaste@st179.dcs.kcl.ac.uk] has joined #rocklinux 20:29 < mnemoc> i don't know what else to ask to google to find the answer :( 20:30 < lesshaste> does rocklinux compile with icc? 20:33 < mnemoc> good queston :) 20:35 < lesshaste> and the answer is ... :) ? 20:37 < tfing> maybe :) 20:37 < lesshaste> is it an "aspiration" of rocklinux? :) 20:37 < mnemoc> i guess to, but i don't have icc to test 20:37 < lesshaste> mnemoc, it is an easy download away :) 20:38 < mnemoc> yeah, try it and tell us :) 20:39 < lesshaste> mnemoc, I am looking for a distro that is at least attempting to be icc compatible. It would be rather painful to try them all :) 20:40 < mnemoc> lesshaste: considering who is the mantainer i'm almost sure it will 20:40 < lesshaste> mnemoc, cool. Who is the maintainer by the way ? 20:40 < mnemoc> will build fine 20:40 < mnemoc> clifford 20:41 < lesshaste> mnemoc, clifford? Is that the maintainer?! 20:41 < mnemoc> lesshaste: it's not a download away it's a registration form away 20:41 < mnemoc> he is the maintainer of icc package on rock 20:41 < lesshaste> oh.. It's also my name :) 20:42 < mnemoc> =) 20:43 < mnemoc> aaarg... a survey... i will not download icc after that offense :| 20:43 < lesshaste> mnemoc, do you need to register to get the non-commercial variant? Maybe I just filled in rubbish I can't remember :) 20:43 < mnemoc> 30-days survey -> agreement -> register -> download 20:44 < lesshaste> mnemoc, oh. I must just have filled in some random data. 20:44 < mnemoc> that's for sure :) 20:47 < lesshaste> https://www.intel.com/software/products/compilers/clin/noncom.htm 20:47 < lesshaste> is that where you went? 20:48 < mnemoc> yep 20:48 < mnemoc> then i run away screaming 20:48 < lesshaste> you don't even have to fill in a box! 20:48 < lesshaste> Just click "continue to download" 20:49 < lesshaste> the only thing where you have to type something is the last page "registration" 20:49 < lesshaste> I'm sure you can make up a name and email address. They don't have to work or anything like that 20:50 < mnemoc> it's against my principles 20:50 < lesshaste> ok 20:51 < mnemoc> but... i'm also curious about icc 20:54 < mnemoc> "You will receive an email with instructions on completing the installation blah blah blah" 20:56 < daja77> yep intel spams you from that moment on 20:56 < daja77> <- getting mail since downloading their FORTRAN compiler 20:58 < mnemoc> :'( 20:59 < daja77> ^^ 21:00 < mnemoc> this s.th is too much for me.... where is my damn login????!! 21:02 < daja77> your login? 21:02 < mnemoc> here is the link :) 21:04 < mnemoc> mmm... mine is .tar.gz and .conf think it's rpm 21:04 < daja77> mine.rpm? 21:05 < mnemoc> icc 21:06 < daja77> ah k. 21:06 < daja77> think you don't want it? 21:06 < mnemoc> i'll get the spam use it or not 21:07 < rolla> yawn 21:07 < daja77> hehe 21:07 < mnemoc> then, i'll test a minimal against it 21:07 < daja77> hi rolla 21:07 < mnemoc> hi rolla 21:08 < rolla> hallo all 21:12 < mnemoc> lesshaste, will you leave me here with the spam and go? 21:16 -!- nookie [~nookie@m390p016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:17 < owl> moin 21:17 < mnemoc> moin owl 21:18 < owl> hi mnemoc 21:18 < mnemoc> daja77: inside the tar.gz there are .rpms :( 21:18 < owl> bwaeh. where? 21:18 < daja77> waah!!!1 21:20 < mnemoc> daja77: rpm2cpio is on rpm or on cpio? 21:21 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-040.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:21 < daja77> dunno 21:22 < mnemoc> the idea of installing rpm here makes me quite sick 21:23 < daja77> there must be non rpm packages 21:24 < mnemoc> seems not 21:24 < daja77> they are sick 21:24 < mnemoc> clifford is using rpm on his .conf 21:25 < daja77> what's the benefit of .tar.gz with rpms i don't get it 21:25 < mnemoc> make ppl trust they are distribution in a good format 21:26 < mnemoc> Mutt update - remote exploitable vulnerability??? today is not a good day 21:26 * mnemoc feels like using console mode outlook 21:26 < daja77> yeah got that from rh-security too 21:26 < daja77> hehe 21:28 < daja77> *GNARF* that damn rc2 isos again 21:28 < mnemoc> delete them :| 21:29 < daja77> and let ppl play with rc1? 21:30 < mnemoc> uhm 21:30 < daja77> the beta6 were great ^^ 21:30 < mnemoc> no rc4 isos? 21:30 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:30 < daja77> maybe in incoming 21:30 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F6C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 21:30 < mnemoc> wb blindcoder 21:30 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 21:33 < mnemoc> if a .o redifines a symbol of libc, what extra should i give to gcc to make ld happy? 21:36 < mnemoc> .oO( why nobody wants to answer?? don't even google ) 21:43 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-078-235.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 21:50 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has joined #rocklinux 21:50 < MadTux> greetings 21:50 < mnemoc> greetings MadTux 21:51 < MadTux> mnemoc, :) 21:51 < nookie> MadTux! 21:51 < nookie> MadTux! 21:51 < nookie> MadTux! 21:51 < MadTux> while [ 1 = 1 ]; then 21:51 < MadTux> echo nookie 21:51 < MadTux> done; 21:51 < MadTux> *G* 21:52 < nookie> heh 21:52 < daja77> hi MadTux 21:52 < MadTux> hi daja77 21:55 < nookie> daja77: Hi Daniel 21:55 < daja77> hrhr 21:55 < daja77> hi nookie 21:57 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.10.251] has quit ("Leaving") 22:04 -!- MadTux [~mike@66.205.201.2] has joined #rocklinux 22:05 < MadTux> re 22:06 < daja77> wb pingoutTux 22:06 < MadTux> daja77: how are things? 22:06 < daja77> better thx 22:07 < MadTux> excellent to hear 22:10 < daja77> :) 22:18 -!- __spectre__ [~spectre@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:18 -!- _spectre_ [vgtrmt@stahl.uni-oldenburg.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:21 < owl> hi MadTux !!! 22:22 < MadTux> OWLITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:22 < mnemoc> :) 22:23 * MadTux gives a BIG bear hug to owl 22:25 -!- Nebukadneza`` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-236.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:26 < MadTux> hello Nebukadneza`` 22:27 < mnemoc> poor owl 22:28 * MadTux gives a HUGE bear hug to mnemoc too so he is not bothering 22:28 < owl> hehe 22:28 * mnemoc can't breeeeeath 22:29 < MadTux> Good 22:29 < MadTux> owl: help me 22:32 < owl> hmm. ? 22:32 < mnemoc> she wont hurt me :) 22:32 < daja77> owl: kick his lazy butt 22:33 < rolla> re owl 22:33 < MadTux> mnemoc: get real she can use daja77's pink sword and hurt you 22:33 < MadTux> hello rolla 22:33 < mnemoc> daja77's? 22:33 < daja77> we all know it belongs to MadTux 22:34 < MadTux> sure i stole it from you.. but it was so damn ugly and weak that i returned it to its creator 22:35 < daja77> you love ugly things 22:37 < owl> <-- off again 22:37 < owl> bye 22:37 < MadTux> well i love ROCK, selinux and elks... is it my fault that i like weird stuff? 22:37 < daja77> yes of course :p 22:42 < MadTux> grrr 22:42 < MadTux> so anyways i'm off 22:42 < MadTux> gn8 all. 22:42 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-052-040.arcor-ip.net] has quit (No route to host) 22:42 -!- MadTux [~mike@66.205.201.2] has quit ("leaving") 22:47 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.113.45.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("There is no spoon.") 22:48 < mnemoc> ehm... https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html now i am the horn 22:49 < tfing> nice 22:51 < daja77> hi tfing 22:52 < tfing> hi daja77 22:54 < mnemoc> 'wellcome tfing to the graph :) 22:54 < mnemoc> welcome* 22:54 < tfing> hehe :) 22:55 -!- nookie [~nookie@m390p016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (""Will administrate your UNIX servers for a woman."") 22:57 -!- lesshaste [~lesshaste@st179.dcs.kcl.ac.uk] has quit ("Leaving") 22:59 < mnemoc> owl: what about the picture on orut? 23:02 < daja77> mnemoc is the guy who talks to everybody 23:05 < mnemoc> .oO( is that good or bad ) 23:06 < daja77> i don't mind 23:06 < mnemoc> o_O 23:06 < daja77> :) 23:07 * mnemoc kicks mnemoc 23:08 < daja77> th: greetings from alita 23:17 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-94.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:17 < holyolli> moin 23:17 < daja77> hi holyolli 23:18 < holyolli> hi daja77 :) 23:18 < daja77> welcome to the drawing 23:18 < holyolli> which drawing? 23:19 < daja77> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rock-images.html 23:19 < holyolli> *loooooool* 23:19 < holyolli> that's really cool! 23:19 < netrunner> daja77: would you mind saving a tiny bit of my traffic limit? ;) 23:20 < daja77> oh that much? 23:20 < netrunner> *g* havent looked, just kidding ;) 23:21 * holyolli is really fascinated by that drawing....very funny 23:22 < netrunner> holyolli: just running since noon. 23:23 < holyolli> netrunner: that's why the 'ROCKBot' is online and collects logs...neat 23:24 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has joined #rocklinux 23:25 < mnemoc> blindy is overlaping tfin 23:25 < netrunner> mnemoc: nope 23:25 < sten> I still don't have my flyspray confirmation number, so would someone please note a bug which I have found in the build of coreutils? 23:25 < tfing> mnemoc: nobody's overlapping me :) 23:26 < mnemoc> much better :) 23:26 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has quit (Client Quit) 23:26 < mnemoc> sten: hm? 23:26 < tfing> too l8 23:26 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has joined #rocklinux 23:27 < mnemoc> sten: hm? 23:27 < daja77> mnemoc should be our helpdesk girl 23:27 * mnemoc kicks daja77 23:27 < daja77> ^^ 23:27 < tfing> hmm, does ROCKBot ignore itself ? 23:27 < netrunner> already 34MB of images collected, 270 for rocklinux 23:27 < netrunner> tfing: nope 23:27 < tfing> ROCKBot: hi there 8) 23:28 < mnemoc> daja77: i'm a *slut* not a helpdesk girl 23:28 < daja77> ic *gg* 23:28 < netrunner> I have also activated a block that traces nicks, but I'd need to restart for that. 23:28 < mnemoc> netrunner: what are you wainting for? 23:29 < daja77> tracing in what way? 23:29 < sten> ok, here it is: In stage 1, while building on a non-devfs system (which is supposed to be supported for this release) the coreutils build utters: "./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 910: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory" 23:29 < netrunner> daja77: nick changes 23:29 < tfing> daja77: in case you were changing your nick, it'd know it's still you 23:29 < daja77> ah k, 23:30 < netrunner> sten: that's in the doc or on the ml, you need a ln -s /proc/self/ to /dev/fd or something similar 23:31 < sten> netrunner: I guess I missed it... 23:31 < cytrinox> gn8 23:32 < holyolli> n8 cytrinox 23:32 < sten> netrunner: section 17.7.9 devfs of the Online Handbook says: But if you are going to build an older version: You need to get the latest versions of the kernel (in ./download) where devfs is included. Older systems probably have to be patched. 23:33 < netrunner> sten: ln -sf /proc/self/fd dev/fd 23:33 < netrunner> sten: ln -sf /proc/self/fd /dev/fd 23:35 < netrunner> found on google, https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/suse/early-beta/scripts/devs 23:36 < sten> netrunner: thanks for the help. 23:38 < sten> netrunner: I'm just trying to help bugtest. 23:39 < netrunner> sten: np, send a patch :) 23:39 * netrunner 's stomache hurts, grapes seem not to go well with wine 23:39 < sten> netrunner: I don't know how. (still waiting for my flyspray confirmation number to come in) 23:40 < daja77> netrunner: lol 23:40 < mnemoc> sten: read about submaster @ rl.org 23:40 < netrunner> daja77: don't tell me you'd have known 23:41 < daja77> ahem well haven't tried but sounds not that good 23:41 < netrunner> ugh, /me goes to bed. n8 23:41 < mnemoc> grapes and *good* wine mix perfectly :) 23:42 < daja77> perhaps 23:42 < daja77> n8 netrunner 23:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe the wine was to old. 92 23:42 < netrunner> or it's my shoes I just put off ;) 23:42 < mnemoc> i vote for the shoes 23:43 < mnemoc> and drink chilean wine next time :P 23:43 < sten> netrunner: by the way, /proc/self/fd only has 0,1,2,3. What now? 23:43 < holyolli> .oO(chile rocks...;-) 23:43 < holyolli> <-- just thaught loud.. 23:43 < mnemoc> sten: /proc/self is what 'current' process has 23:44 < mnemoc> sten: that fd will exist for the process which wanted to use it 23:45 < mnemoc> holyolli: ppl fears our salmon :( 23:45 < holyolli> mnemoc: y? 23:46 < mnemoc> all around the globe ppp want to add extra fees to it :( 23:46 < sten> mnemoc: oooh. that's pretty nifty. I didn't know a non-devfs kernel could do that 23:46 < mnemoc> s/ppp/ppl/ 23:47 < mnemoc> sten: /proc does that kind of things 23:47 < sten> netrunner: wouldn't it be better to mount -o bind, rather then the link? 23:47 < holyolli> mnemoc: why that? i mean is it more than just the normal export customs? 23:48 < mnemoc> holyolli: cheaper and better, then local industry tend to request 'protection' 23:48 < holyolli> args. 23:52 < sten> I'm still getting the /dev/fd/62 not found error, although there is now a fd/255 node 23:55 < sten> oh well, I'll submit a patch later. 23:56 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has quit ("running errands") --- Log closed Thu Feb 12 00:00:26 2004