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--- Log opened Wed Mar 10 00:00:48 2004 00:05 -!- ctp [~ctp@dsl-213-023-234-218.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:07 < cytrinox> gn8 00:07 < mnemoc> n8 cytrinox 00:24 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, clifford, netcrow_, t3k|mobile, holyolli, SMP, mnemoc 00:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: t3k|mobile, holyolli, netcrow_, mnemoc, owl, clifford, SMP 01:22 -!- ctp_ [~ctp@dsl-213-023-244-072.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:34 -!- ctp [~ctp@dsl-213-023-234-218.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 01:57 -!- ctp_ [~ctp@dsl-213-023-244-072.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 01:57 -!- ctp_ [~ctp@dsl-082-082-156-108.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:12 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 03:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FF40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F7A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 03:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 03:34 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD9502DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:41 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD9502DCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:44 < rolla> re 03:58 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p508022A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:59 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:26 < cchamilt> THERE WILL BE A POINT AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE WHERE ONLY TESTED AND WORKING CHANGES SHOULD BE COMMITTED!!! 05:26 < cchamilt> fuck fuck fuck 05:26 < cchamilt> why the hell did i trust rxr 05:30 < cchamilt> Going from 2488(2.0.0) to 2494(2.0.1) should not have broke anything. BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN FIXES. 05:42 -!- togg [~togg@pD9534DA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:42 < cchamilt> nullmailer, povray31 now dont compile and rocksndiamonds needs a bit of work. 05:47 -!- togg [~togg@pD9ED361D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:58 -!- daja77 [[pE2uRCebv@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:06 -!- ija [[ehrUL+kQt@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:23 -!- ija [[OxQH8CpuB@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:28 -!- yhuang [~yhuang@ip68-105-182-199.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:40 < netrunne1> opt/kde32/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdgantt.mo: kde-i18n-fr koffice-i18n 08:41 < netrunne1> 902 builds total, 615 completed fine, 15 with errors. 09:03 < blindy> moin 09:04 < fake> moin 09:13 < cchamilt> does linux have a good 'live' compressed filesystem? 09:14 < blindy> cramfs? 09:15 < cchamilt> with decent rw? 09:15 < blindy> no idea, never used it 09:16 < cchamilt> Want to make drive based tape replacement. Doesn't especially need good rw, but it would be cool. Kind of like stac stuff for dos. 09:17 < cchamilt> Get a 25 drive rack and shove 400GB drives in for about 25TB of removable backup space. 09:17 < cchamilt> I think that would sell. 09:21 < blindy> maybe I should really give 2.6 a try... 09:21 < blindy> creating a LVP and listening to music via xmms and nas is more than just lagging 09:24 * blindy trying renice 09:30 -!- daja77 [[0OjHHfZ+R@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:34 * blindy --> to the vet again with my dog 09:34 < daja77> hf 10:27 < blindy> bock 10:27 < blindy> back 10:39 < holyolli> re & moin 10:41 < holyolli> blindy: https://holyolli.dyndns.org/rocklinux/lvp <-- athlon-xp-build 10:41 < blindy> WEE 10:42 * blindy downloading to mirrors 10:42 < holyolli> jo 10:45 < holyolli> blindy: hm. k6-3 is anyway too slow for video playback, isn't it? 10:47 < blindy> hm.. for divx decryption it is 10:47 < blindy> mpeg might work 10:48 < blindy> but what about a hardware mpeg-decoder? 10:48 < blindy> but I have seen assembler problems when compiling mplayer for k6-2 10:48 < holyolli> ah 10:48 < blindy> I have an old k6-2 500 MHz here, tried to compile there 10:48 < blindy> and it tried to stuff 129 into a signed byte 10:49 < holyolli> whoops.. =) 11:04 < blindy> holyolli: iso is on the mirrors, thanks :) 11:06 -!- ajacoutot [~ajacoutot@APastourelles-107-1-4-24.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:06 < holyolli> blindy: no prob 11:09 < holyolli> https://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3664502485&category=55390 <-- *lol!* 11:12 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:15 < holyolli> anybody with a typo3-account for the webpage here? 11:15 * blindy --> off buying some things 11:15 < blindy> bye 11:15 < holyolli> cu blindy 11:15 < daja77> hi holyolli 11:16 < holyolli> hi daja77 11:21 * fake has 11:22 < daja77> hi fake 11:22 < holyolli> hi fake 11:22 < holyolli> fake: could you do some changes? or should i send you the files? 11:23 < fake> what should i do? 11:24 < holyolli> perhaps you could add lvp under 'target distributions' - it's otherwise quiet hard to find 11:25 < holyolli> and i talked with rxr that we should take 'maillist', 'bugtracking system' in to an own 'support' category 11:26 < fake> uh 11:26 < fake> such massive changes are something for later today 11:26 < fake> i am in school now and my connection sucks 11:26 < holyolli> ah..ok 11:38 -!- ajacoutot [~ajacoutot@APastourelles-107-1-4-24.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.9") 11:47 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:52 < fake> hi clifford! 11:53 < daja77> hi clifford 11:53 < clifford> hi all. 11:53 < clifford> I need someone to make new screenshots of the rock build. 11:53 < daja77> clifford: should i send you your cigarettes with ups? *gg* 11:53 < clifford> I'm not at home right now and cant reach my hosts at home for whatever reason.. 11:54 < daja77> my build machine is broken after clt 11:54 < fake> clifford: you have to add every directory that should be not hidden as a single-host-export to /etc/exports so nohide works -_- 11:54 < clifford> daja77: just toss them away (cigarettes, not build machines) 11:54 < daja77> i was just kidding 11:55 < daja77> at least i can use the handkerchiefs ^^ 11:55 < clifford> fake: so we can't do it with the current fs layout because the mount points change all the time.. 11:55 < clifford> you got my mail about redesigning the loopback mounts? 11:56 < fake> clifford: i'm just opening it. in the meantime i fixed coda, and tried to get samba working on mips ;)) 11:56 < daja77> cool 11:57 < clifford> An editor from Linux Magazine (https://www.linux-magazine.com) sent me a mail that he need a new screenshot by today evening to include the 2.0 announcement in the next linux magazine issue. 11:57 < daja77> wow 11:58 < fake> what oh what does he expect... 11:58 < holyolli> clifford: what kind of screenshot does he need? 11:58 < fake> another kde 11:58 < holyolli> fake: *g* 11:58 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/fileadmin/user_upload/about/screenshot_config.jpg .. something like that. 11:58 < clifford> ... choose a section which contains some really cool config options.. ;-) 12:00 < fake> clifford: that's cool (loopmount revolution) 12:00 < clifford> hehe. 12:01 < fake> clifford: we could just rename all non-lfs-stuff in the root like tools.cross in to UPPERCASE 12:01 < fake> clifford: like R - then it's clear it's part of the build system 12:01 < fake> (despite 7 bit terminals) 12:02 < fake> *on 12:02 < fake> s,despite,except, 12:03 < clifford> that are minor details.. I'll see what I can do in that direction the next few days (currently my primary interest is beating this f*cking flu) 12:03 < holyolli> clifford: https://holyolli.dyndns.org/~holyolli/screenshot1.jpg 12:03 < holyolli> something like that? 12:04 < fake> clifford: good luck on your flufight... i'm healthy, btw... 12:05 < fake> holyolli: enlightenment? 12:05 < holyolli> fake: jepp 12:05 < fake> e17?? 12:06 < holyolli> nope..the old 16 12:06 < fake> ah 12:06 < fake> ok, i was just wondering. this looks exactly like e16 ;) 12:06 < holyolli> hehe 12:07 < fake> but 12:07 < fake> you could activate mor packages, there are about 1111 ... 12:09 < daja77> what is flu? 12:09 < holyolli> daja77: magen-darm-erkrankung ;-) 12:09 < holyolli> montezumas rache 12:09 < clifford> daja77: grippe. 12:09 < holyolli> echt? 12:09 < holyolli> ups 12:10 < daja77> ah k. didn't know that word for it 12:10 < daja77> clifford: got it here? 12:10 < clifford> holyolli: could you change the version number in scripts/parse-config to 2.0.0 for the screenshot? 12:11 < holyolli> yes 12:12 < fake> sw33t 12:13 < fake> do you have a 2nd windows beneath it? 12:14 < fake> -s 12:14 < holyolli> no. it's an error during capturing 12:14 * holyolli is just fixing it 12:14 < fake> oh 12:15 < holyolli> clifford: reload 12:15 < holyolli> hi smp... ;-) 12:15 < fake> nice 12:16 * fake english lesson riot mode 12:24 < clifford> holyolli: could you make the screenshot as gif or tiff? jpg compression is not good for printing.. 12:26 < holyolli> clifford: i can 12:30 < holyolli> clifford: screenshot1.gif 12:31 < clifford> holyolli: without dithering?? ;-) 12:32 < holyolli> clifford: ok 12:33 < holyolli> clifford: reload 12:34 < holyolli> better? 12:34 < clifford> perfect - I'll now send the mail to the linuxmagazin guy (gif as attachment).. 12:38 < clifford> afk. 12:43 < cytrinox> moin 12:59 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p508BA992.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:15 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p508BBFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:37 -!- ctp_ [~ctp@dsl-082-082-156-108.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Client Quit) 13:39 < blindy> rehi 13:39 * fake having fun with ettercap 14:56 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD9502DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Leaving") 14:58 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD9502DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 < netrunne1> https://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/03/03/svk.html 15:06 < daja77> hi netrunne1 15:06 < holyolli> hi netrunne1..that article really sounds interessting 15:07 < netrunne1> argl. 15:07 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 15:10 < darix> .oO( i mentioned svk here ages ago ;p )o 15:11 * netrunner should start learning for the test tomorrow ... 15:16 < rolla> crap 15:16 < rolla> crap 15:17 < netrunner> rolla: you have things in your mouth ... 15:21 < netrunner> daja77: https://eh.muc.ccc.de/ 15:22 < rolla> nope 15:39 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 15:39 < LocalHero> hi all 15:39 < holyolli> hi LocalHero 15:40 < LocalHero> holyolli: Got your mail :) 15:40 < holyolli> :) 15:41 < LocalHero> holyolli: I have been planing on redesigning the whole iso site for some time now. The current version is not good at all. Im planing on switching back to sql insted of files. It will require some more maintenance but i think it will be better 15:42 < LocalHero> holyolli: that way you could sort the isos how you like :) 15:42 < holyolli> LocalHero: it was just a small idea ;) 15:42 < LocalHero> does anybody know what lib this is? I get undefined references like this iw_sockets_* 15:42 < holyolli> LocalHero: when redesigning the page...do you think it's possible to use the style of the rocklinux.org-mainsite? 15:43 < LocalHero> holyolli: I think its great that you take your time to reflect about how things are. You are also welcome to contribute if you like :).. 15:44 < LocalHero> holyolli: ofcourse. The reason it isnt like the main site is becase the main site was in redesign when i set up the iso site 15:44 < holyolli> LocalHero: *g* :) 15:44 < holyolli> LocalHero: ah. ok 15:45 < LocalHero> holyolli: but first i have to find out why i get this undefined ref iw_sockets_ntop and fix it so i can get a working version of quanta :) 15:45 < holyolli> quanta? what is that? 15:46 < LocalHero> holyolli: kde's html editor, helps you code php, html etc 15:46 < holyolli> LocalHero: ah 16:07 < LocalHero> holyolli: Wahoo, i got it to work. Now only some kompiling left :) 16:08 < holyolli> LocalHero: :) 16:11 < netrunner> argl, a ./configure with colored help 16:13 < alanjwylie> There's a LWN article about rock 2.0 at https://lwn.net/Articles/75010/ 16:13 < netrunner> how can I avoid my hand_appended confopt to be removed? 16:14 < alanjwylie> They chose to quote a single line about the new .gem package format, 16:14 < alanjwylie> and I'm afraid that the comments rapidly degenerated into a flame-war about package formats 16:14 < alanjwylie> I've posted a comment in an attempt to clarify the concept of Rock 16:16 * holyolli reading 16:17 < netrunner> where's the article? at that url I only see a bunch of user comments ... 16:17 < holyolli> netrunner: bottom of the page.. 16:18 < netrunner> there's alanjwylie's comment and then the end. 16:18 < holyolli> netrunner: ah. sorry..i thought you were looking for that. 16:18 < netrunner> does the "article" consist of the one sentence on top? 16:21 < rxr> rehi 16:21 < daja77> hi rxr 16:22 < netrunner> hi rxr 16:22 < netrunner> rxr: how can I avoid my hand_appended confopt to be removed? (anything besides custmain?) 16:23 < rxr> why removed ? 16:23 < rxr> by the config options verifier - or by what ? 16:24 < alanjwylie> rxr: I've got a custom target we use for our boxes 16:24 < netrunner> rxr: yes. this specific configure has no --help. and it only needs this one parameter, that gets removed by the veifier 16:24 < alanjwylie> rxr: just apache, postfix, mysql, php 16:25 < alanjwylie> plus imap, so that you can use a mysql database for your postfix config, 16:25 < alanjwylie> and then pick your e-mail up using IMAP from a PHP coded web page 16:26 < rxr> netrunner: --help is not used for verification 16:26 < rxr> IIRC there is not way to disable the verifier - I would need to take a look - but a custmain is ok in that case 16:27 < netrunner> rxr: however it works :) thx 16:27 < rxr> netrunner: alternatively we can add a new regex to the patterns that disable the verifier ... 16:27 < rxr> netrunner: can you send the configure script to me so I would adapt it ... 16:28 < netrunner> rxr: it is a stupid thing with colored output that wants {BSD|Linux|someotherplatforms} as parameter. 16:28 < netrunner> rxr: I'll submit it with custmain and a note, so you can take a look if it made the way to the top of the patch queue ;) 16:29 < rxr> netrunner: oje oje - just send it over if you like - I would take a look to verify if we can improve the checker ... 16:30 < rxr> new Handbook version 16:30 < rxr> as HTML as preview - PDF / PS later ... 16:31 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html 16:31 < rxr> 0.1.2 16:32 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:32 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.164.12.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:33 < netrunner> argl, this stupid configure relies on detecting the architecture :( 16:41 < rxr> ... 16:41 < rxr> cu all later ... 16:43 < netrunner> cu rxr 16:47 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ("Kopete 0.8.0 : https://kopete.kde.org") 16:57 < daja77> lol kopete 17:04 < mnemoc> re :) 17:05 < daja77> wb mnemoc 17:06 < mnemoc> thx daja 17:06 * mnemoc wonders how was clt and what did u decided about $rock 17:07 * daja77 likes to answer later, cu 17:08 < mnemoc> cu :) 17:11 < netrunner> $rock? a project that throws out $ ? I am positive ;) 17:12 < rolla> re 17:13 < mnemoc> =) 17:37 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has joined #rocklinux 17:37 < sten> base/iproute2 [2.4.7-ahu-20021020 2.0.0] build fails in Stage 5 17:38 < mnemoc> how can i know who's the postmaster of a vmailmgr-domain? 17:38 < mnemoc> sten: what are you building? 17:38 < sten> menmoc: generic/minimal 17:39 < mnemoc> check if you have bdb built there 17:40 * sten is checking now 17:41 < sten> oh yes, the error is: "arpd.c:729: `R_NEXT' undeclared (first use in this function)" 17:41 < mnemoc> look backward for a failed include 17:42 < sten> no, bdb doesn't seem to be built... weird 17:42 < mnemoc> iproute2 needs an smarter config but you can quickfix it adding bdb :) 17:43 < sten> mnemoc: you're totally right. "../include-glibc/db.h:10:20: db_185.h: No such file or directory" 17:43 < mnemoc> =) 17:44 < mnemoc> aaaarg!!! how can i know who's the postmaster of a vmailmgr-domain? 17:44 < sten> how do I "add" bdb? ./scripts/Build-Target bdb-stage5 (I forget the syntax, but I'll check it in a second) Do I edit the .cache, or .conf instead? 17:45 < mnemoc> add X bdb41 to config/$foo/pkgsel 17:45 < mnemoc> and ./scripts/Build-Target -job 5-bdb41 17:45 < sten> ok. Thanks 17:46 < sten> it'd be a nice feature if your MTA could dump its config, (including virtual domains) 17:46 < sten> I haven't worked with virtual domains enough to know... (I know postfix can dump its config though) 17:47 < mnemoc> me too... i just 'got' responsable of a qmail/vmailmgr i have never used and it decided to die now 17:48 < mnemoc> it fails and mails postmaster.... i need to found that fscking mail!!! :¬ 17:51 < mnemoc> # grep -r -e "To:.*postmaster" * <--- this will take ages 17:51 < sten> mnemoc: this might help you 17:51 < sten> Returning to the example scenario above, if the example.net mail administrator wanted to create a virtual domain, virtual.example.com, under the administrative control of user john, the following entry in virtualdomains would accomplish that: 17:51 < sten> 17:51 < sten> virtual.example.com:john 17:51 < sten> locate "virtualdomains" 17:52 < sten> from what I've just read, everything is controlled from there 17:52 < mnemoc> i know the user :) 17:53 < sten> but not the postmaster. Can there be a different postmaster, per virtual domain? 17:53 < mnemoc> me wonders the same 17:53 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm89.sigma51.maxonline.com.sg] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031104]") 17:54 < sten> mnemoc: maybe, in example "virtual.example.com:john" john is aliased as the postmaster somewhere else? (probably not /etc/aliases, but in a canonical database of qmail's own) 17:54 < mnemoc> 'john' don't have ./Maildir :( 17:55 * mnemoc kicks sit in from on him 17:55 < sten> he's a $HOME-less user? 17:55 < mnemoc> nope 17:55 < mnemoc> in his home there is a users/ dir with Maildirs of v-people 17:55 < sten> ohhh 17:56 < mnemoc> but i think postmaster is global 17:56 < mnemoc> but who the fsck is him!! :¬ 17:56 < sten> yes, postmaster should be global. (Isn't that in /etc/aliases?) 17:57 < mnemoc> don't exist :( 17:57 * mnemoc kicks this bad mouse and wrong kb-layout 17:57 < sten> eh?!?! Have you "locate aliases" yet? 17:58 < sten> man that's weird... I've heard qmail is a weird MTA though 17:58 < sten> check out "/var/qmail/alias" 17:59 < sten> I think that's where postmaster might be defined 17:59 < mnemoc> yes! 17:59 < mnemoc> /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster 17:59 < sten> :-) 18:00 < mnemoc> aaaaaarg.... nospam@domain.cl which seems to be defined as something like 'void' 18:00 * mnemoc kicks old admin 18:01 * mnemoc chaing postmaster and waiting :¬ 18:02 < mnemoc> s,¬,\,g 18:11 < mnemoc> doesn't work 18:14 < sten> mnemoc: did you run qmail-something, to send all of the qmail process a SIGUP, which forces them to re-read the config? 18:15 < sten> qmailctl reload 18:16 < sten> oops, qmail needs a "HUP" 18:16 < sten> there's a good qmail resource at: 18:16 < sten> https://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html#virtual-domains 18:18 < mnemoc> nice... 18:18 < mnemoc> svc -h /service/* :) 18:19 < mnemoc> *headbang* 18:21 < mnemoc> i can't even found 'current' logs 18:28 < praenti> hi 18:28 < praenti> anybody knows if the smart optimisation works well? 18:28 < daja77> hi praenti 18:29 < SMP> praenti: yes, if you have a large CPU cache 18:29 < praenti> SMP: ahh. ok thx. perhaps I should not use this feature yet 18:30 < sten> SMP: what kind of optomizations are taking place? 18:31 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:31 < sten> SMP: I have only heard of CFLAG optomizations 18:31 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:32 < SMP> sten: smart optimisation is a function our compiler-wrapper that alters the compiler switch ("CFLAGS") depending on the input file name 18:34 < sten> SMP: ok, that makes sense. Does this mean that one input file name might get "-O" and another "-02" and the odd app would get "-03"? 18:35 < blindy> someone here who's got a few minutes to review some documentation? 18:35 < SMP> it is normally used to build everything optimised for size (-Os), with -O3 for several hot-spots (on per-file level, see https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk/scripts/smart_db.txt) 18:36 < sten> SMP: WOW, this is going to be really handy. (I don't have to these decisions anymore!) 18:37 < sten> SMP: and from what I read in smart_db.txt, only the relevant source code gets the relevant optomizations. (instead of a whole-applications blanket, traditionally used) 18:37 < SMP> on current CPUs -Os code is usually faster than code optimised for speed, because smaller code makes better use of the CPU caches 18:38 < sten> SMP: what is "current" I have an Athlon T-Bird 750. (one of the odd Slot-A ones) 18:38 < sten> I think it's an athlon with extra cache, but not sure 18:38 < SMP> well, it's a matter of how big the cache is 18:39 < SMP> Clifford tested it on Opterons, they have 1MB cache IIRC 18:39 < sten> just 256kb 18:39 < SMP> so it should work with Xeons, too 18:39 < SMP> and the Pentium 4 Extreme thingie 18:39 < netrunner> ... Unknown option '-pthread' 18:40 < sten> I think my 256kb is too small for -O. yeah? (is it turned on by default?) 18:40 < SMP> the effects should be very small to nonexistent on CPUs with smaller caches 18:41 < sten> is it worth it to change "-O" to "-02" somewhere? 18:42 < daja77> rxr: BIGPINGOFDEATH 18:45 < SMP> sten: default and recommended is ROCKCFG_OPT=size (-Os) 18:46 < SMP> I'm not sure if the compiler does loop-unrolling when optimisind for size, it might be worth forcing -funroll-loops additionally 18:48 < netrunner> daja77: hey, leave him intact ;) 18:48 < daja77> hehe just called him up, he is ok 18:50 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:52 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:00 -!- danimo [~danimo@isdn95.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:00 < danimo> hi 19:01 < daja77> hi danimo 19:01 < daja77> isdn? tu-chemnitz? 19:01 < daja77> where is ktown? 19:01 < danimo> daja77: I only need to tunnel for ircnet 19:01 < danimo> daja77: since I cannot provide a identd 19:02 < daja77> danimo: you could join that chan here too 19:02 < daja77> ic 19:09 < danimo> daja77: and isdn is not true either, it's dsl in fact, but it seems to share the IP pool with isdn dialups 19:10 < daja77> doesn't matter in that case ^^ 19:11 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-084.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:31 < daja77> hmm 19:39 < netrunner> hmm,2 19:46 * rolla starts his compile of glibc 2.3 on alpha 19:52 < rxr> rehi 19:53 < daja77> re rxr! 19:53 < rxr> oh - my so many queries waiting ... 19:53 < netrunner> 903 builds total, 737 completed fine, 28 with errors. (-4 errors, they are mine ;) 19:53 < daja77> rxr: just look at status window first 19:54 < netrunner> daja77: I do not believe he uses windows. 19:54 < daja77> who? 19:54 < netrunner> rene ;) 19:55 < daja77> O_o 19:55 < daja77> valentin? 19:55 < netrunner> daja77: I was trying to make fun of your words. but never mind :) 19:56 < rxr> netrunner: ;-) 19:56 < daja77> netrunner: nice try 19:56 < rxr> daja77: this is windows-free zone - just ROCK in this flat ... 19:56 < daja77> good so what do you mean? 19:56 * daja77 puzzled 19:57 < rxr> daja77: you wrote "status windows" - this is why netrunner got to windows ... 19:57 < netrunner> daja77: you said he should look at his window ... and I silently addded a s 19:57 < daja77> ts 19:57 * netrunner thinks daja's tired :) 19:57 < rxr> ... 19:58 < daja77> netrunner: could be true 20:11 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Connection timed out) 20:14 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:26 -!- dsoul [darksoul@info.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 20:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAADC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:33 < tcr> moin all 20:53 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm89.sigma51.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 < tcr> moin cchamilt 20:58 < cchamilt> morning, just flooding rxr about various package bugs i have found. 20:58 < cchamilt> still over 30 broken packages 21:01 < cchamilt> our gcc3 does not support -pthread, which is bsd and appears that gcc3 should support it linux to for some odd reason. 21:01 < cchamilt> i think using it instead of -lpthread is really stupid. 21:02 < cchamilt> finally a specifically stupid thing bsd does that linux doesnt or shouldnt. 21:03 < cchamilt> should i say libtool does not support -pthread, nor does pkg-config i think. 21:04 < tcr> Let it fix upstream 21:05 < cchamilt> we need 2.0.0 to actually build. 21:06 < cchamilt> libtool appears to be set up intentionally this way. pkg-config should support it. 21:06 < SMP> argh 21:06 -!- nookie [~nookie@M333P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:10 < rxr> SMP: hm? 21:11 < SMP> rxr: patch will be on sm in a second ... 21:11 < cchamilt> shoot, autotools appears to be inserting the -pthread crap maybe. 21:13 < SMP> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004031021085214393 21:14 -!- danimo [~danimo@isdn95.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #rocklinux ("*Zosssssch*") 21:19 < cchamilt> rxr, there is no way the last nullmailer, povray31 changes could have been tested. They have bad typos. 21:20 < rxr> SMP: oO0 21:21 < rxr> cchamilt: complain at the authors - AFAIK they are not in my desktop target and can not test any possible code-flow 21:21 < cchamilt> can i be in charge of generic target then? 21:21 < cchamilt> someone needs to audit this. 21:22 < rxr> I do not pass the generic target to anyone 21:22 < rxr> cchamilt: you can send patches regularly ... 21:22 < cchamilt> need someone to maintain the target though, otherwise... 21:23 < rxr> netrunner: please use pkgisinstalled in your qt patch 21:38 -!- aXp [aXp@dsl-wien1-32-165.utaonline.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:43 < cchamilt> rxr: where are the changelogs kept for revisions now? 21:44 < sten> Yay, generic/minimal+xfree is done building. I just decided that I'd like to have gems for kde on hand. Can I still include them in my target? (after adding them with "X" can I ./scripts/Build-Target?) 21:45 < jsaw_> cchamilt: you really know the difference between -pthread and -lpthread? 21:46 < cchamilt> no, just that libtool spews when it sees it 21:47 < jsaw_> then you'd better read the man page before complaining. I guess it also makes a difference if fs or ds is used. 21:47 < jsaw_> (for the __thread directive) 21:48 < cchamilt> which man page is that... 21:48 < jsaw_> gcc 21:49 < jsaw_> Adds support for multithreading with the pthreads library. This 21:49 < jsaw_> option sets flags for both the preprocessor and linker. 21:52 < cchamilt> oh, i know it is both a flag and a library, just in most cases in linux it appears to only need to be the library 21:53 < cchamilt> glib for instance performs a weird sed on itself if it sense linux, it doesnt appear to work though. 21:53 < jsaw_> I think not anymore since on i386 the thread local data segment is stored in fs. 21:54 < cchamilt> the problem is that you get -pthread in your .la's which kills libtool. 21:54 < jsaw_> hmmm. The problem is, that an awful lot of defines have to set otherwise. 21:55 < cchamilt> i guess the best thing would be to stop it from getting into the la during generation 21:55 < cchamilt> what generates the .la's? 21:55 < jsaw_> maybe the newer libtool solves it, lemma see... 21:55 < jsaw_> libtool 21:57 < jsaw_> cchamilt: where does the -pthread appear in .la's? 21:58 < cchamilt> /usr/lib/libSDL.la and pkg-config includes it in the libs of glib 2.0. 21:59 < cchamilt> i've tried just making configure use -lpthread, but both still misbehave 21:59 < jsaw_> not here... ? 22:00 < cchamilt> what revision are you 22:00 < jsaw_> oh, yes, pkg-config has it, but not libSDL.la. 22:00 < jsaw_> cchamilt: sth. between HEAD-50:HEAD. mixed. 22:01 < cchamilt> pkg-config will probably handle it though. the sdl crap is killing me. 22:01 < jsaw_> what's wrong with sdl? 22:02 < cchamilt> no idea, it just keeps including several copies it in the dependencies section. 22:02 < jsaw_> me away, daughter crying... 22:02 < cchamilt> the only place it is declared in the src, i have altered it. So I am assuming it is getting it from somewhere else 22:05 < SMP> sigh. 1-linux24-header fails for sparc cross build 22:06 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAADC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Leaving") 22:06 < cchamilt> damn it is 5am 22:08 < rxr> SMP: yes - cliffords cross gcc patch seems to broke it 22:08 < rxr> SMP: I already have ugly results in my regression tester (unreleased) 22:08 < rxr> SMP: I'll fix the cross builds tomorrow arround lunch or so ... 22:13 < rxr> hm - the arches that have been defect before are fixed now (like arm) - all the others fail now ... 22:13 < cchamilt> 30 errors 22:13 < jsaw_> re 22:13 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 22:14 < jsaw_> hi rxr, SMP 22:14 < jsaw_> :) 22:16 < cchamilt> oh well, if i could get this pthread thing figured out, it would be only 25 errors. 22:17 < SMP> rxr: hmm, the patch seems only to affect gcc3, I was building with gcc33 22:18 < jsaw_> rxr: concerning the autogen patch, I cannot tell yet. I have screwed my build. So the test has to wait. (but manually: I have tried to get rid of some libtool error, and re-autoconf'ing seemed to help) 22:18 -!- t-away [~twix@smin199-95.vdial.verat.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:18 -!- t-away is now known as rammi 22:18 < rammi> clear 22:18 < cchamilt> rxr: my current version of etcher seems to not know where e17 is. 22:19 < rammi> /\ Hi /\ 22:19 < SMP> rammi: ugh 22:20 * jsaw_ waits for html support in irc 22:20 < rammi> I 'am at friends home.. His mirc script :) 22:21 < rammi> I don't like those fancy text ... 22:26 < cchamilt> gn8 all 22:26 < jsaw_> gotta go back to work, presentation on friday - damn close, cu 22:26 < rammi> 'night 22:26 < jsaw_> cu cchamilt 22:26 < darix> 21:55:29 < reiffert> hi there, anyone willing to help betatesting https://ftp.gcu-squad.org/misc/blowjob-irssi_0.9.0.pl.txt so that it can be released to scripts.irssi.org? It encrypts messages with blowfish. If you like to betatest, be sure to have the latest version (0.9.0) and join #blowtest on freenode (irc.debian.org). 22:38 -!- rammi [~twix@smin199-95.vdial.verat.net] has quit ("Connection reset by me :") 22:48 -!- aXp [aXp@dsl-wien1-32-165.utaonline.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:54 < rxr> SMP: regtest output now online on the consulting site 22:54 < rxr> except alpha which did not even produce proper error output .... 22:57 < tfing> hmm, gmane put the ROCK mls in gmane.linux.distributions.rock.* 22:58 < tfing> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.distributions.rock.submaster.cvs <- the .cvs is clearly pointless 22:58 < SMP> gmane sucks ... 22:59 < netrunner> rxr: sorry, but I find nothing about 'pkgisinstalled' in Documentation or packages 22:59 < SMP> it's called pkginstalled 23:00 < netrunner> ah. at least one occurrence ;) 23:00 < rxr> SMP: yes - thanks 23:00 < rxr> netrunner: it is shiny new 23:13 < netrunner> does it also mean "has already been built"? (sounds like that) 23:14 < rxr> netrunner: yes - the function checks $root/var/adm/... 23:15 < rxr> and the function should replace the various [ -f $root/var/adm/s.th./... ]'s in the .conf files ... 23:15 < netrunner> so nobody would notice if a feature gets disabled because of wrong build order. as opposed to pkgcheck X blubb 23:16 < rxr> netrunner: nopt - the user get's what his system already includes and features 23:17 < rxr> if you have a desktop build - but used your default config for a minimal build the package would check if the minimal config includes mysql and falsly assume to not incldue support for it in qt when the user Builds or Emerges the package 23:17 < rxr> this is ugly 23:17 < rxr> it is auto-detected in qt.conf - so it should be detected what the current system (or build progress in build/.../ ) includes 23:18 < rxr> I guess you do not expect mplayer to fail just because your system does not include some flunky seldem used codec - but mplayer uses the package list of your generic build to check whether to enavble support for it ... 23:19 < netrunner> rxr: but I expect other packages to fail if this functionality is not included in there. (mythtv needs the mysql driver in qt) 23:20 < netrunner> maybe this behaviour should be stage specific. like pkgcheck X in stage 5, like pkginstalled in 9 23:20 < SMP> no! 23:21 < SMP> you can't enable support for something that is not there, not in stage 9 and also not in stage 5 23:22 < netrunner> SMP: but I want to notice that I need something. not just silently disable and wonder why the other package does not build. 23:23 < SMP> if fails no matter if you used pkgcheck or pkginstalled 23:23 < SMP> s,if,it, 23:23 < netrunner> SMP: the ckeck, yes. 23:24 < SMP> wait. are you talking about config-time? 23:24 < SMP> or build-time? 23:24 < netrunner> SMP: but I am talking about the order. If mysql is enabled, then I want mysql driver in qt. not silently disable it just because the order is wrong 23:25 < rxr> netrunner: the order will be wrong - either by manual tuning - or after the next reference build suffle ... 23:25 < rxr> erhm 23:25 < netrunner> SMP: rxr's feature is for the time when the system is installed. but i need it during build. 23:25 < rxr> s/wrong/correct/ - too late for me 23:25 < rxr> netrunner: it does work during the build. 23:25 < netrunner> rxr: no, with your feature we would not notice because it just does not use it. 23:25 < rxr> netrunner: you notice at mythtv or what this thing was named 23:26 < netrunner> (if I understood you correctly) 23:27 < rxr> of course we could make the function more inteligent and check if it is installed for a single package build - and for the presence in the package list during a target build 23:27 < rxr> just use the function - and propose it to the list 23:28 < netrunner> rxr: there's just need to differenciate between stage 5 and 9, as 9 is used for the single build anyway, and in stage 9 it is built anyway, if it gets built 23:29 < rxr> we'll see 23:30 < netrunner> hm. what shall I do now to change the patch? can I revert it in my tree somehow? without the change being sent as new patch? 23:32 * SMP wants cross build to work ;-\ 23:32 < rxr> SMP: revert cliffords patch 23:32 < rxr> might be a start - I just did so in my test tree ... 23:32 < rxr> SMP: for what do you now need cross builds and sparc in this particular case? 23:33 < SMP> my Krups 23:33 < rxr> oeh - ah 23:33 < rxr> do you have s.th. on it already? 23:33 < SMP> I used to 23:34 < SMP> I prepared and distributed an NFS root and a kit to make images for the built-in flash based on 1.5.12 23:38 < rxr> nice 23:38 < rxr> regtest running 23:38 < rxr> i'm off home - cu 23:38 < SMP> cu 23:53 < SMP> no, reverting the gcc3.conf change does not make a difference --- Log closed Thu Mar 11 00:00:03 2004