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--- Log opened Thu Mar 11 00:00:03 2004 00:05 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:08 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD9502DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Leaving") 00:10 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:11 < A-Tui> hi 00:16 < mnemoc> re 00:19 -!- et990219 [~et990219@177.43-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 00:20 < et990219> hello 00:22 < mnemoc> hello 00:26 -!- wrong [~chatzilla@AC9228C0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 00:28 < A-Tui> hello 00:28 < mnemoc> hola aitor 00:29 < et990219> salut 00:29 < et990219> :-) 00:29 < A-Tui> hola mnemoc 00:29 < A-Tui> salut et990219 00:29 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-27-218.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("Leaving") 00:29 < et990219> salut A-tui 00:30 < et990219> tu parles français? 00:30 < A-Tui> nop, but salut is a "catalan" word too 00:31 < et990219> ah ok 00:31 < et990219> what does it mean? 00:31 < A-Tui> mmmm it's a greeting word 00:32 < A-Tui> literally means "health" 00:32 < et990219> ok 00:32 < A-Tui> but is used when greeting 00:32 < A-Tui> is like spanish "salud" 00:32 < et990219> ok 00:33 -!- nookie [~nookie@M333P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (""Will administrate your UNIX servers for a woman."") 00:33 < et990219> for how many time do you use linux? 00:33 < et990219> sorry for my english 00:34 < wrong> - 00:34 -!- wrong [~chatzilla@AC9228C0.ipt.aol.com] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]") 00:34 < daja77> re 00:37 < A-Tui> ops gcc3 fails in build 00:37 < mnemoc> A-Tui: what? 00:37 < mnemoc> re daja77 00:38 < daja77> thx mnemoc 00:38 < mnemoc> et990219: me since 96, don't know about the others 00:38 < A-Tui> mnemoc, my build broke when building gcc3 00:38 < A-Tui> hola daja77 :) 00:38 < daja77> hola A-Tui 00:38 < mnemoc> can you /query me the last relevant lines of .err? 00:39 < A-Tui> mnemoc, ok, one moment 00:40 < A-Tui> mnemoc, it seems to be an error with a .h in tools.cross 00:46 < mnemoc> what stage? 00:52 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:54 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has left #rocklinux ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 01:04 -!- et990219 [~et990219@177.43-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 01:47 -!- rammi [~strugarev@216.236.217.173] has joined #rocklinux 01:47 < rammi> hi 01:54 -!- rammi [~strugarev@216.236.217.173] has quit () 03:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FB70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FF40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 03:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 03:28 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 04:04 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802584.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:12 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508022A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:25 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-067-156.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:30 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-067-098.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:43 -!- togg [~togg@pD9ED361D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:47 -!- togg [~togg@pD9E5BE73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:04 < sten> what happens to packages installed before "pkgconfig" is merged? Will this break packages which depend on libraries installed before "pkgconfig" was? 07:08 < netrunne1> ah, finito. 903 builds total, 863 completed fine, 40 with errors 07:08 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 07:10 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-019.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:16 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, netcrow_, kasc, SMP, mnemoc 07:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc, netcrow_, mnemoc, owl, SMP 07:23 < sten> what happens to packages installed before "pkgconfig" is merged? Will this break packages which depend on libraries installed before "pkgconfig" was? 07:27 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-084.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:29 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, netcrow_, kasc, SMP, mnemoc 07:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc, netcrow_, mnemoc, owl, SMP 07:37 < netrunner> sten: what is the change? 07:38 < sten> netrunner: doesn't pkgconfig track installed packages? 07:40 < netrunner> dunno 07:40 < blindy> not that I know 07:40 < blindy> kgconfig is a tool to creahe x-config programs 07:40 < blindy> it doesn't create these programs itself 07:41 < blindy> hi all, btw :) 07:41 < sten> ok. Thanks 07:42 * blindy --breakfast 07:56 * netrunner --airport 08:04 < blindy> airport? 08:19 < sten> do add/remove a package to a build, can one quickly edit rock-src/config/default/pkgsel? 08:19 < sten> (instead of using the ncurses interface, or editing the packages[.txt]) 08:20 < sten> s/do/to 08:22 < blindy> hmm "should" work 08:22 < blindy> though I never tried 08:22 < sten> blindy: do you usually use the ncurses interface? (or add/remove later) 08:23 < blindy> sten: either I use a full generic build as it is, or generic/minimal and add packages as I need them once installed 08:23 < blindy> or create my own target :) 08:23 < sten> blindy: how do you add packages to your own target? 08:24 < blindy> have a look at target/bootdisk/config.in 08:24 < blindy> that's also how I do it with LVP 08:26 < sten> ok, I see how it works. config/default/pkgsel uses awk, rather then sed, and it looks like a less configurable area for modification 08:26 < sten> local fine tuning, is what it is meant for, I think 08:27 < sten> which target/name/config.in is where everything which is crucial to the target is selectede 08:27 < blindy> yes, it's configuring the current build-configuration 08:27 < blindy> and will be lost in the next config 08:27 < blindy> exactly 08:28 < sten> man, I love how intelligently Rock is designed 08:28 < sten> it's elegant, you know? 08:28 < blindy> for the most part, it is 08:28 < blindy> the rest will be fixed as needed :) 08:29 < sten> one feature request I have, is that rockplug is more modular. (can disable PCI subsystem) 08:29 < sten> maybe I'll take a look at it myself 08:30 < blindy> don't you have PCI? 08:31 < sten> once I've had some time to get re-aquainted with ROCK. (I LOATH PCI hotplugging. I like monolithic kernels, with the exception of hot-swappable devices. My mobo doesn't support hot-swapping PCI, so I don't need it...and I hate the scan each boot) 08:31 < blindy> I see 08:31 < blindy> well, the scan takes a long time, that's true. 08:32 < sten> on the other hand, it's very user friendly ;-) 08:32 < blindy> maybe one should do something like a lspci | md5sum >/etc/conf/pci_last_known 08:32 < blindy> and compare if it changed, and if not, just load the same modules as last time 08:32 < blindy> so you only have to run the PCI Scan once at boot time 08:32 < sten> I think that SuSE has done something similar to that in the past 08:33 < blindy> don't know, but I have to learn SuSE some time next week anyway >_< 08:33 < sten> for work? 08:33 < blindy> yes 08:33 < blindy> it depends if my co-worker goes to Berlin or not 08:34 < blindy> because if he does, I have to take over the Linux courses he's holdng 08:34 < blindy> and then I have to teach Linux to a bunch of MCSEs *cry* 08:34 < sten> rule #1 with SuSE: Beware of YaST #2 Don't hand-edit files. #3 because YaST eats them 08:34 < blindy> ok, so that hasn't changed since 7.1 08:34 < sten> YaST is very user-friendly though. ;-) 08:34 < blindy> because that was the first Linux I ever used and the last SuSE I ever used :) 08:35 * blindy feels stupid thinking back to that time >_< 08:35 < blindy> I switched to Debian later and wondered: "Where the hell is /etc/rc.config???" 08:36 < sten> I think that this little-still-in-alpha distro called "Ark" will implement better user-friendlyness then SuSE. (I hope SuSE deals with the enterprise-class stuff) 08:36 < sten> blindy: I know what you mean 08:36 < blindy> to be honest, I never used anything else than SuSE, Debian or ROCK. And I'm more than happy with ROCK now :) 08:38 < sten> blindy: after trying RedHat 4.9, Debian something, and FreeBSD, and found, and LOVED ROCK 1.4 08:38 -!- masoud [~masoud@213.176.93.180] has joined #rocklinux 08:38 < blindy> heh :) 08:38 < sten> blindy: then my Texas Instruments RTC burned out... the mobo was toast without it 08:38 < blindy> I started with ROCK 1.5-something 08:39 < blindy> hmm... I don't know much about hw, but can't the RTC be replaced with a good soldering iron? 08:39 < masoud> just a simple question : how much hard to build a distro with rocklinux ? 08:40 < sten> blindy: I was quite young, and clumsy at the time 08:40 < blindy> hmm... in theory it's just adapting the bootdisk target and creating your own target 08:40 < blindy> ah I see 08:40 < sten> blindy: well, a teenager, at least... 08:40 < sten> blindy: I didn't grow up soldering though, and I still need to practice 08:40 < blindy> I've created LVP in a bit over a week (post-job work) 08:41 < sten> masoud: do you want to create your own custom-space-station distro, or use one of the ready-made templates? 08:41 < blindy> well, that's a good question 08:43 < blindy> using the templates is quite easy and only depends on how much CPU you have to spare 08:44 < blindy> your own space-station distro with hand-made package system, graphical installer and so on will take "slightly" longer 08:44 < sten> I'm adapting minimal+xfree to my needs, quite easily. (it doesn't take long to configure at all) 08:45 < sten> blindy: graphical installer? (ncurses, or full-graphical?) 08:45 < blindy> I meant full-graphical 08:46 < sten> blindy: is there a STONE frontend for that? 08:47 -!- masoud_ [~masoud@217.219.1.224] has joined #rocklinux 08:48 < sten> eh? glut needs csh? (or tcsh, I suppose, although it's not listed in the deps) 08:49 < blindy> sten: no there isn't, that's why I meant "slightly" :) 08:51 < sten> blindy: on the other hand, if there was a curses to directfb, gpm to directfb translation library, it probably wouldn't take that long.... OpenGL ncurses--weird 08:51 -!- masoud [~masoud@213.176.93.180] has quit (Client Quit) 08:53 < sten> blindy: ah. after editing that "pkgsel" file, one of the rock-src/scripts needs to be run to edit packages[.txt] using the pkgsel.awk program. ./scripts/Config, then exit, does this magically, but I know there's a faster way 08:54 < sten> well, it's late. I'm going to go get some sleep. gnight 08:55 < blindy> ./scripts/Config -oldconfig 08:55 < blindy> will run the configuration without firing up the ncurses interface 09:15 -!- masoud_ [~masoud@217.219.1.224] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:46 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:46 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:56 * netrunner -> questionnaire 09:57 < blindy> hm? 10:03 * blindy gone 10:10 < daja77> moin 10:14 < daja77> 2.6.4 is out ;) 11:39 < blindy> rehi 11:40 < netrunner> hm, you shouldn't buy security products from me, my prof was not so happy ;) 11:40 < blindy> why? 11:49 < netrunner> 2.3 in test 11:49 < blindy> \hmm 11:52 < netrunner> if I want to redo a patch, am I right with the following procedure: svn diff -r new:old the/dir/or/file > revert.patch; patch -p0 revert.patch; svn commit -M "iwasstupid"; start again with the patch 11:53 < blindy> might work 11:55 < daja77> netrunner: what the heck happened to the hegg site? 11:56 < daja77> got redrirected when using https 12:01 < netrunner> daja77: https is not neccessary. no confidential info there. 12:02 < netrunner> oh, ic, the https redirects to sec's page ;) 12:02 < netrunner> I'll mention that. 12:02 < daja77> netrunner: i registered now anyway 12:03 < netrunner> aaahhh " VIRUS (Troj/Cidra-D) IN MAIL TO YOU (from <?@[127.0.0.1]>)" ... "the sender has been notified" argl 12:04 < daja77> O_o 12:04 < daja77> cu later 12:05 < netrunner> hehe, t-com now disabled calls to som islands where dialer come from 12:09 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-019.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 12:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-019.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:48 < netrunner> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/err/vlad-2.0.1-x86-pentium3-32-desktop-expert/ 13:00 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95F1DEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:17 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p508BA992.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:20 < daja77> re 13:27 -!- tfing [tfing@shagwell.vry.sgsnet.se] has quit ("leaving") 13:29 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:29 < daja77> hi th 13:29 < th> hi there 13:31 < netrunner> hi th,daja77 13:32 < SMP> I wonder if I can do nfsroot over IPsec ;-O 13:32 < daja77> netrunner: are there other rocklinux ppl coming to easterhegg? 13:32 < daja77> ;) 13:33 < netrunner> clifford want's to hold the rocklinux workshop 13:33 < netrunner> maybe a presentation. 13:33 < daja77> ah nice 13:55 < mnemoc> moin 14:01 < daja77> hi mnemoc 14:01 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 14:02 < mnemoc> hi daja77, netrunner 14:03 < mnemoc> anyone have seen busytux? 14:03 < daja77> nope 14:10 -!- RobeWrk [Robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:15 < mnemoc> *headache* 14:17 < daja77> oh 14:26 < daja77> wtf happened to freenode 14:27 < mnemoc> what do u mean? 14:27 < daja77> have a look at your status window 14:27 < mnemoc> oh... they are playing with new service-bots 14:27 < daja77> seems so 14:30 < cytrinox> moin 14:32 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox 14:45 < rolla> re 14:51 < daja77> hi rolla 14:52 < rolla> :) 14:52 < daja77> rolla: tried rock 2.0 already? 14:56 < mnemoc> **headache** 15:03 < blindy> rehi 15:05 -!- kasal [~kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #rocklinux 15:06 < kasal> Hi, I'd like to ask a question about bash prg style in scripts/*. Is anybody here? 15:07 < blindy> what question? 15:08 < kasal> The scripts often contain "< <(...)" as in "while read x; do something; done < <(ls dir)". 15:08 < blindy> yes 15:09 < kasal> What advantage does this have over simple "ls dir| while read x; ...; done" ? 15:10 < blindy> AFAIK the script fails with < <( ... ) but with ls | only the error from ls is printed to stderr and while continues with an empty stdin 15:11 < kasal> I'm going to try this... 15:11 < th> blindy: but set -e should make bash fail there too, shouldn't it? 15:11 < blindy> please do 15:11 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:11 < blindy> th: no idea, I'm not that familiar with shell programmin 15:11 < blindy> g 15:12 < blindy> maybe < <( ) is also just there so that clifford can show that he's superior to everyone else :) 15:13 < kasal> The test failed: 15:13 < kasal> [kasal@ka23 ~]$ (echo a; ls sdf) |while read x; do echo "$x"; done 15:13 < kasal> a 15:13 < kasal> ls: sdf: No such file or directory 15:13 < kasal> [kasal@ka23 ~]$ while read x; do echo "$x"; done < <(echo a; ls sdf) 15:13 < kasal> a 15:13 < kasal> ls: sdf: No such file or directory 15:13 < kasal> (I hope such pasting is allowed here.) 15:15 < kasal> OK, enough for today. Maybe I'll try to submit an "anti-< <" patch one day...when I learn SubMaster. 15:17 < kasal> Thanks, blindy, and good-bye. (In case anyone spots this, the answer would be welcome on kasal@ucw.cz.) 15:17 -!- kasal [~kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz] has left #rocklinux () 15:17 < rolla> daja77: nope still no good builds of rock 2.0 15:18 < daja77> rolla: try the isos 15:18 < mnemoc> rolla: 2.6? 15:18 < rolla> daja77: there are alpha iso's? 15:18 < daja77> alpha? no x86 or ppc 15:19 < daja77> thought you sold your alphas 15:19 < rolla> not yet 15:19 < daja77> ic 15:19 < rolla> I keep swonging between doing it and not 15:19 < daja77> ;) 15:19 < daja77> sparc isos should be ready soon 15:24 < rolla> daja77: ultra sparc 15:24 < rolla> ? 15:24 < daja77> hope so 15:28 < rolla> well then maybe I can test it 15:30 < rolla> daja77: what is the iso site 15:30 < mnemoc> drock.dyndns.org 15:30 < daja77> huh? 15:30 < daja77> not gsmp.tfh-berlin.de? 15:31 < mnemoc> uhm... yes :) 15:31 * mnemoc kicks headache 15:32 < mnemoc> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de (141.64.23.9) 15:32 < mnemoc> drocklinux.dyndns.org (141.64.23.9) 15:32 < mnemoc> drock.dyndns.org (65.2.10.57) 15:47 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:48 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:12 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.117.189.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-019.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:22 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-019.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:29 -!- ija [[OxQH8CpuB@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:29 -!- daja77 [[0OjHHfZ+R@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:32 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.188.64.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:32 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.61.100.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:36 -!- daja77 [[ir56pAKMF@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:45 < fake> SMP: mind keeping me up to date on your Krups work? ;) 16:45 < daja77> krups? 16:46 < fake> To The Hilt 16:46 < fake> j/k 16:46 < fake> Sun JavaStation 10 16:46 < fake> codename 'Krups' 16:46 < daja77> ah 16:46 -!- ija [[zmL7OU7Wy@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:47 < SMP> fake: cross-build finished with no errors, Krups boots into it - more or less (loops over modprobe when using full sysvinit, probably just a minor quirk) 16:48 < fake> cool 16:48 < fake> now if only i'd have the 16bit fb driver ready... *sigh* 16:57 * daja77 kicks svn 16:58 < fake> ... SignOff svn #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:59 < daja77> O_o 17:01 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@p213.54.117.189.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Client Quit) 17:05 -!- cap [~cap@p213.54.117.189.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:05 < daja77> running RockLinux 2.0.1 configuration 17:05 < daja77> sounds cool 17:26 < mnemoc> will anyone write something about rock@clt? 17:26 < mnemoc> just to know what's the ship direction 17:26 < blindy> mnemoc: -<censored comment>- 17:27 < mnemoc> :( 17:41 -!- kasal [~kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #rocklinux 17:42 < kasal> hello 17:42 < kasal> 17:42 < mnemoc> hi 17:43 < kasal> I'd like to ask a question: 17:43 * blindy --> gym 17:43 < mnemoc> cu blindy 17:43 < kasal> I had mozilla-1.5 from 2.0-rc2 on my machine; now I run scripts/Emerge-Pkg mozilla 17:44 < kasal> The script builds the new package, then merges the file list with the old file list, so I ended up with 8000 files for mozilla 17:45 < kasal> as the /usr/lib/mozilla-1.5 was packed together with /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6. 17:45 < kasal> What am I doing wrong? 17:46 < kasal> cu blindy, too 17:46 < daja77> mine -r mozilla 17:46 < kasal> OK, but that way I loose the -update feature. 17:47 < daja77> you loose what? 17:47 < daja77> -o 17:47 < daja77> and why would that be so bad 17:47 < darix> clifford: 17:47 < darix> 17:39:45 <@sussman> wow, SubMaster is interesting. It looks exactly like svk. 17:47 < darix> 17:39:50 <@sussman> it's even written in perl. 17:47 < darix> 17:40:04 <@sussman> who is Clifford Wolf, and why did he write it? 17:47 < kasal> Well, in case of my mozilla not problem, I can do mine -r. 17:48 < mnemoc> mozilla's config is at $HOME :) 17:48 < kasal> Sure, you are right. 17:48 < daja77> darix: what is svk? 17:48 < mnemoc> darix: submaster is designed for rock's context which is very 'special' 17:49 < kasal> But why does the Emerge have to carry all the old files? 17:49 < darix> daja77: distributed repositories on top of svk 17:49 < darix> err 17:49 < darix> svn 17:49 < darix> :) 17:49 < darix> daja77: look on svn link page 17:50 < kasal> Or, from the other end: is there a general way to "update" a package? I mean to preserve config files (if any), but to remove old intalled files. 17:51 < daja77> mine -i foo.gem 17:51 < mnemoc> daja77: what happens to libfoo-2.1.1.so -> libfoo-2.1.2.so ? 17:52 < mnemoc> first get removed? 17:52 < daja77> dunno haven't looked at it in detail 17:52 < SMP> kasal: mine -r won't remove files that have been modified 17:54 < kasal> SMP: OK, let's suppose I run "mine -r foo; ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg foo". First mine doesn't remove modified files, but it does remove the md5 sum filelist, right? 17:56 < kasal> SMP: then I run Emerge-Pkg, it would say that it ignores "-update" as the package is not installed, so the build process inadvertently replace all my dear config files, right? I don't like this, of course. 17:57 < kasal> daja77: you suggest "mine -i foo.gem". But that means that I have to run a whole new build to obtain the gem. 17:58 < daja77> scripts/Emerge-Pkg does the same as mine -i iirc 17:58 < kasal> daja77: I'm looking for a way to run build of the package "foo" only. 18:00 < SMP> kasal: I agree that this could use some improvement 18:05 < netrunner> kasal: scripts/Build-Pkg foo 18:05 < kasal> SMP: it should go like this: 1) backup modified 2) remove else 3) build 4) merge new flist with the backuped 18:06 < kasal> netrunner: scripts/Build-Pkg merges the new flist with the old one, which is wrong, in this case 18:06 < kasal> Why do we need to keep the old flist? 18:07 < mnemoc> it's used on build-target 18:07 < daja77> maybe because Buil-Pkg could fail 18:08 < kasal> daja77: no, this is when the build suceeded, just before packaging: we add all the files from old version to the list. 18:08 < daja77> sounds broken 18:09 < kasal> mnemoc: I'd say so. So I'd leave that "feature" hidden under an option which would only build-target use. 18:10 < kasal> Or I can try to remove it unconditionally, submit to SM, and wait for comments. When will 2.1 development start? 18:11 < SMP> we don't know 18:13 < kasal> Thanks to all for comments, and good bye, I have to leave now. 18:13 -!- kasal [~kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz] has quit ("Leaving") 18:15 < mnemoc> what was the bash command for listing the vars? 18:15 < th> export 18:15 < mnemoc> uhm? 18:15 < th> or env 18:15 < mnemoc> no... i mean foo* 18:16 < th> tab competion? 18:16 < mnemoc> there is a ${somtheing) 18:16 < th> export|grep ;) 18:16 < mnemoc> :) 18:16 -!- uppo [~uppo@pcmath208.unice.fr] has joined #rocklinux 18:17 < mnemoc> echo ${!foo*} :) 18:19 < uppo> Hi everybody! Is this md5sum correct: drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd3.iso.md5 ?? 18:20 < uppo> It is the second time that I download the image and I get a failure when I verify the signature. 18:22 < cchamilt> geez svk makes svn almost as good as tla 18:24 < mnemoc> only if svn get support for symlinks :) 18:25 < cchamilt> yeah, drops bdb or embeds it, and gets a clue about not being part of apache... 18:25 < darix> cchamilt: whats wrong with bdb in svn? 18:26 < mnemoc> it get corrupted a bit often 18:26 < cchamilt> bdb is evil in general, especially on something that has persisting dbs, not just storing current program info. 18:27 < cchamilt> bdb breaks its own binary compatiblity all the time, plus you have to chase its api. 18:27 < mnemoc> https://www.dwheeler.com/essays/scm.html <--- really good articule 18:27 < cchamilt> its fine for things that dump db quick, like ldap. 18:27 < darix> we had wedged repository oly for 2 times. 18:27 < darix> only 18:27 < darix> at that was pre 0.40 18:27 < darix> at that was pre 0.30 18:28 < cchamilt> as a distro-centric looking person. I dont mind bdb use, only when it becomes version specific and the rest of the *nix world moves to a new version. 18:29 < cchamilt> embedding bdb fixes issues i have with it 18:29 < darix> cchamilt: as long i can dump my db -> move to a new version -> load dump i dont care ;) 18:31 < mnemoc> th: can i use export to list functions? 18:31 < cchamilt> yeah, that is fine too - though it takes extra effort for svn people to track it. 18:33 < darix> cchamilt: there is a developer who tries to change the svn backend to use mysql for storage. but the last comment i heard from him was: bdb is the right tool for the job ;) 18:33 < cchamilt> i am ok with svn in general(though i think rock needs a truly decentralized system), i dont like bdb's development strategy or believe much of their 'we didnt break things' they always say. 18:34 < cchamilt> oh no, for what svn uses bdb for, it needs something like bdb. just wish bdb was better 18:34 < darix> hmm 18:35 < mnemoc> in general mysql sucks more than bdb :) 18:35 < darix> maybe i should suggest sqlite than. 18:35 < darix> its embedable too. 18:35 -!- uppo [~uppo@pcmath208.unice.fr] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 18:35 < cchamilt> sql is a tool for open ended structures. 18:36 < darix> cchamilt: https://www.sqlite.org/ 18:36 < cchamilt> just putting a copy of their favorite bdb in a bdb directory and statically linking would fix things. 18:36 < darix> SQLite is a C library that implements an embeddable SQL database engine. Programs that link with the SQLite library can have SQL database access without running a separate RDBMS process. The distribution comes with a standalone command-line access program (sqlite) that can be used to administer an SQLite database and which serves as an example of how to use the SQLite library. 18:36 < darix> SQLite is not a client library used to connect to a big database server. SQLite is the server. The SQLite library reads and writes directly to and from the database files on disk. 18:37 < darix> cchamilt: i maintain my own rpms ... and i was fine so far. 18:37 < cchamilt> sql is my problem there. svn doesnt need sql. 18:38 < cchamilt> how many select joins is svn going to run... 18:38 < th> mnemoc: sorry i can't tell you that 18:41 < darix> cchamilt: dunno =) 18:41 < cchamilt> mnemoc: stage 9 is STILL building. though only python is not building correctly so it is cool. 18:42 < cchamilt> darix: it is just that the sql language is to open ended for something as simple as what svn does. 18:45 -!- nowx [~nowx@62-99-150-106.static.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:47 < SMP> mnemoc: declare -f 19:03 -!- cap [~cap@p213.54.117.189.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #rocklinux () 19:05 -!- nowx [~nowx@62-99-150-106.static.adsl-line.inode.at] has quit ("Leaving") 19:14 < mnemoc> SMP: thanks :) 19:14 * mnemoc kicks th 19:18 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:30 < daja77> re 19:31 < rxr> rehi 19:31 < daja77> hi rxr 19:33 < mnemoc> hi rxr 19:35 < th> hmmm i can't deselect .gem and i can't select .tbz2 in that desktop target 19:35 < th> is that considered a bug or a feature? 19:36 < mnemoc> work in progress? 19:37 < th> "work"? 19:37 < mnemoc> :( 19:37 < th> hm? 19:38 < mnemoc> you are talking about gasgui? 19:38 < th> aehm aehm. i don't think so 19:38 < th> i'm talking about that dialog-alike looking ./scripts/Config thingie. 19:39 < mnemoc> expert -> pkgsel -> '- foo' 19:39 < th> what for? 19:40 < mnemoc> =X= .gem = = .tbz2 <--- you mean this? 19:40 < th> ack 19:40 < mnemoc> =) 19:40 < daja77> yep it is preselected in desktop target 19:40 < mnemoc> i'm quite stupid these days 19:41 < th> daja77: but there is some gem2tbz2 tool? 19:41 < daja77> yep mine :) 19:41 < th> fine 19:48 < SMP> mine -k pkg_tarbz2 foo.gem > foo.tar.bz2 19:49 < daja77> yep 20:00 < rxr> th: if you want a tar.bz2 desktop - just remove the one line in target/desktop/config.sh (or what the filename was) 20:01 < th> rxr: yes. it's not that i want to have tbz2 instead of gem - it's just that i want to know why i could not change it (without touching config.in) 20:01 < th> s,want,wanted,2 20:03 < rxr> th: yeah - targets can lock options ;-) 20:03 < th> rxr: okay ;) 20:03 < rxr> SMP: did you do any cross work ? 20:03 < SMP> I got stage 1 cross build without a problem 20:04 < SMP> the problem was the check_asm think in linux24-header.conf - I submitted a diff to sm, but it was not correct for sparc64 20:06 < rxr> SMP: what did you change? 20:09 < SMP> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004031120043903600 20:10 < rxr> you had no other problem during cross-compile? 20:10 < SMP> nope 20:11 < rxr> :-( 20:11 < rxr> ok - thanks 20:11 < SMP> rxr: what's the use of listing the arch/<...>/kernel/Makefile as the first target at that point? I think it's superfluous 20:11 < SMP> no problem means ":-)" ;) 20:12 < SMP> bbl 20:12 < rxr> SMP: :-( means but I have problems - and you do not get those means I'Ll have fun tracking them ... 20:13 < rxr> SMP: IIRC this is to only this makefile - just the header generation crap in it ... 20:28 < rxr> rehi 20:33 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: praenti, dsoul 20:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dsoul 20:41 < rxr> argh damn shit fuckins smap.sh 20:43 -!- praenti [mo2@biersorten.dyndns.org] has joined #rocklinux 20:48 -!- MadmaxVTX [~Madmax@blk2-226-202.eastlink.ca] has joined #rocklinux 20:49 -!- MadmaxVTX [~Madmax@blk2-226-202.eastlink.ca] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 20:56 < rxr> hi praenti 20:56 < rxr> praenti: thanks for the SCSI disc! 21:00 * netrunner downloading/test-building 2.6.4 21:16 < th> rxr: you patching always starts shortly after i started a build ;-) 21:17 < mnemoc> omg! 21:19 < mnemoc> [SM] flooooods 21:19 < daja77> yep 21:19 < daja77> hard to find mails in them :) 21:21 < th> whimps! adapt your maildroppings. 21:21 < mnemoc> haha 21:23 < rxr> th: sorry - I have still no inet at home - thus this storms ... :-( 21:23 < rxr> daja77: sort them into another folder ... 21:24 < th> rxr: no matter ;-) 21:24 < daja77> rxr: not in a webmailer 21:25 < th> daja77: why can't u use a real MUA? 21:26 < daja77> th: i normally do but the machine on which it was running is down atm 21:26 < mnemoc> your damaged laptop? 21:28 < daja77> no my damaged build machine 21:29 < th> daja77: i see.. 21:30 < daja77> i am surprised that this crappy webmailer can handle this more tha 260 mails at all 21:30 < daja77> i really should get rid of that provider 21:31 < th> *blink* 21:31 < daja77> hm? 21:31 < th> *scnr* 21:31 < daja77> hehe 21:37 < mnemoc> rxr: any comments about 2004011021454220456 ? 21:37 < th> .oO( quite a real big number. ) 21:38 < mnemoc> just a timestamp :) 21:46 < th> i think i should stop my desktop build at revision 2507 due to sed problems. glibc23 gzip texinfo gcc3 tar - failed so far. 21:49 < mnemoc> if we had a proper stage 1 we could force abort on errors $stage<=2 21:49 < th> mnemoc: you mean i should upgrade my build machine's sed? 21:49 < mnemoc> me? 21:50 < rxr> th: oO 21:50 < rxr> th: what sed do you have on your machine? 21:50 < mnemoc> .oO( is my english THAT bad? ) 21:50 < th> rxr: GNU sed version 3.02 21:50 < th> mnemoc: you did not say that directly 21:50 < rxr> th: and it does not support -I in-place substiution ? 21:50 < th> mnemoc: but you mentioned "proper stage1" 21:50 < th> rxr: sed: invalid option -- I 21:51 < mnemoc> i meaned a proper set of packages :) 21:51 < rxr> th: ok - update it ... 21:51 < th> rxr: ok. 21:51 < th> mnemoc: ok. so take my question as void 21:51 < mnemoc> =) 21:53 < mnemoc> rxr: is something wrong in adding important packages (such this sed thing, autoconf, ...) to the pseudocross stage? 21:53 < mnemoc> (instead of increasing restrictions) 21:53 < th> mnemoc: btw. these where stage[1] failures 21:53 < mnemoc> sure 21:54 < mnemoc> stage1 is build using stage0+local tools 21:54 < netrunner> mnemoc: I'd say in this case it wouldn't help since sed -I is used before it would be built ... 21:54 < mnemoc> then it shouldn't be used there 21:55 < netrunner> it's been in sed for 2(?) years now. one should assume you have it, if not, you can upgrade. 21:55 < netrunner> having to old versions lying around is never good. also for security.. 21:56 < mnemoc> i was thinking in decresing bad impressions for newcomers 21:57 < mnemoc> they can install that old linux they have on a cd from long time ago to start a rockbuild 21:58 < netrunner> th: what system do you have there? how old is it? 21:59 < th> netrunner: it's a 1.5-stablelizing fork 22:01 < mnemoc> it could be a rock-1.4 which can't be used to build rock-2.0.... this doesn't sound good 22:01 < th> exactly 22:03 < mnemoc> im*H*o this kind of compatibility is much important than supporing extra-galactic hardware 22:03 < rolla> szweet 22:04 < rolla> glibcx 2.3.2 is done 22:04 < netrunner> *new* users certainly don't have rock-1.4 and those who have it now by now how to update a package 22:05 < daja77> ack it is more important than we can build on other recent distros ;) 22:05 < mnemoc> welll if we can't build in a recient distro we are quite bad :\ 22:06 < netrunner> we should better give out minimal isos that suffice to build rock 22:06 < daja77> we sometimes cannot 22:06 < mnemoc> i uploaded a minimal-pmmx a week before clt... no idea what happened to it 22:07 < mnemoc> (to rene's) 22:07 < rolla> what is the best fs to use for a rock build area? 22:08 < rolla> ext3 , resierfs, xfs? 22:08 < th> a sort of ram fs? 22:08 < th> tmpfs? 22:08 < rolla> ah it is going to be on a raid5 set 22:08 < rolla> so I don't think tmpfs would be good 22:09 < rxr> th: tmpfs can be enabled in the Config 22:09 < th> raid5 on ECC reg. hi performance RAM... hmmm. nice 22:09 < th> rxr: i know. that's why i answered that way 22:09 < mnemoc> *phullavadana* 22:09 < netrunner> maybe we give out a bootstrap system, like minimal/only tools that is loaded to a ramdisk (in a running system) and then build from there 22:09 < rxr> mnemoc: th: the sed is a rather neat feature - we can Paranois-Check for it ... 22:10 < mnemoc> my comment was deeper than that :\ 22:10 < rxr> building on recent distros patches will always be accepted 22:10 < th> GNU sed version 4.0.8 22:10 < th> sed: invalid option -- I 22:10 < rxr> we already fixed the devfs dep and clifford fixed the chown usage 22:10 < th> perhaps you all mean -i 22:10 < th> ? 22:10 < rxr> to not use the "." delimitar - but use ":" ... 22:10 < daja77> rxr: will try a build under knoppix soon 22:10 < netrunner> rxr: even one that reverts all in-place sed stuff? ;) 22:10 < rxr> th: ah yes - might be -i ... 22:10 < rxr> netrunner: hm? 22:11 < netrunner> rxr: isn't that invalid option the in-place substitution of sed? 22:11 < rxr> netrunner: nope - recent SuSE ship a newer sed version 22:11 < rxr> netrunner: -i 22:11 < rxr> netrunner: my memory has no ECC ... 22:11 < netrunner> ;) 22:12 < rolla> th: I think I will just stick with reiserfs 22:12 < rolla> start my alpha build tonight 22:12 < th> rolla: to be honest. i really don't know. but i'd prefer ext3 or xfs 22:13 < rolla> really 22:13 < rolla> maybe I'll give xfs a try never used it 22:13 < rxr> th: rolla: reiserfs is much faster in my benchs for this ROCK Linux use case of normal to small sized files - with many temporary ones ... 22:14 < th> rxr: even much faster than xfs? 22:14 < rxr> I meant ext2/ext3 - I never used xfs :-( 22:15 < rolla> hmm okay 22:15 < rxr> but ext3 is often slower then ext2 ... - or did you experienced it to be faster using the same feature set? 22:15 < th> rxr: never compared performance of ext[23]. 22:15 < netrunner> at least ext3 has the fall back to be mounted as ext2. 22:16 < th> and that's exactly what i love about it. 22:22 < rxr> I never had a ReiserFS problem - I'm happy with it on all my normal machines 22:23 < rxr> (I do not have it on my SPARCs because the kernel relies on kernel header byteswapping which does not work in this way on sparc ...) 22:23 < rxr> erhm - because the user-space tools rely on kernel-headers of course 22:23 < th> i had real problems with reiser. that was with kernel version 2.2 22:23 * rxr doing too much in parallel 22:23 < rxr> th: I have not used it that early ... 22:24 < rxr> I only had speed problem w/ NFS (w/ < 2.4.10 or so) 22:24 < th> rxr: and i stopped using it that early 22:24 < daja77> yep danimo told me that reiser should be quite stable now 22:24 < rxr> and some speed problems on Soft-RAID(-5) devices ... 22:24 < rxr> have you all took a look to my 2nd last mail @ rock-devel ? 22:28 -!- dsoul [darksoul@info.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:28 < blindy> rxr: feature freeze? 22:29 < blindy> or more editors? 22:29 < netrunner> hm, no mails on .sm since 4 days ... 22:30 < netrunner> 2nd-last mail on .devel was re: 2.0.0 -> future 22:30 < mnemoc> rxr: can you _please_ add some comments to pending patches which are without 'objections'? 22:30 < blindy> netrunner: ? there were tons of mails today! rxr has worked a lot today 22:30 * netrunner has not gotten any :( 22:30 < daja77> netrunner: mails setup screwed? 22:31 < netrunner> daja77: nope, other mails (saim mail account) arrive. 22:31 < daja77> hm 22:33 < blindy> oh, now I got the mail he mentioned... 22:34 < blindy> okay, I'll call him crazy if he wants it that way :) 22:35 * netrunner found 323 unread mails in some spool :( 22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: will 2.0.1 include fake's patches? 22:36 < blindy> netrunner: procmail b0rken? 22:38 < netrunner> blindy: race condition in co-existence with broken stupid *** freemailserver 22:39 < netrunner> "time between logins too short, has to be at least 15 minutes" ... resetting counter. 22:39 < blindy> oh 22:39 < rxr> mnemoc: only if I have too much time 22:39 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe the smarter kernel selection or so 22:39 < blindy> netrunner: get a _real_ email address :P 22:40 < th> hehe 22:40 < rxr> mnemoc: those patches are too intrusive and not really needed since a linux24-header forms a perfect 2.6 kernel system 22:40 < mnemoc> rxr: people tend to '- linux24*' 22:40 < mnemoc> rxr: and that brokes everything 22:41 < mnemoc> rxr: how do you plan to solve it? patch kernel headers to be more user-space friendly? 22:43 < mnemoc> if the answer is 'yes', take a look here -> https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/sm-discuss/2004-February/005322.html 22:43 < netrunner> ah, linux26 built flawless 22:44 < mnemoc> a clean checkout? 22:44 < netrunner> blindy: how do you #define real email adress 22:44 < mnemoc> without linux24? 22:44 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm not sure how to fix it right (tm) 22:46 < blindy> netrunner: chosenalias@anythingusable_eg_nofreemailer.${tld} 22:47 < th> something@foobär.de ;) 22:47 < netrunner> something@--xnfoobrdn.de you mean? ;) 22:47 < blindy> oh no... IdioticDomainNames 22:47 < th> blindy: yea 22:48 < blindy> I want áèôåòïÜõãéÜÁÃÒÁüß.de 22:48 < th> netrunner: xn--foobr-jra.de to be exactly 22:48 < blindy> Register THAT! 22:48 < th> hehehe 22:48 < netrunner> is already registered. 22:49 < blindy> damn 22:49 < netrunner> th: yes, true :) 22:49 < th> netrunner: of course it's true. it's connected ;) 22:49 < th> domain: áèôåòïüõãéüáãòáüß.de 22:49 < th> domain-ace: xn--ss-liaaakbn0am8d9afus5ide.de 22:49 < th> status: invalid 22:50 < blindy> invalid? 22:50 < th> ack 22:50 < th> might be that hyphen 22:51 < blindy> d'oh 22:51 < th> no. it's not that hyphen 22:52 < blindy> now I'm just curious when the first idiot^Wuser will try to register a domainname containing some WingDings characters... 22:52 < th> it's the capital Ü 22:52 < daja77> lol 22:53 < blindy> and the first drone^Wmarketing guy to actually sell one 22:54 < blindy> anyway, I'm off to bed 22:54 < blindy> good night 22:54 < th> ß is invalid 22:54 < blindy> wish me luck so that I can survive from tomorrow till sunday 22:54 < th> áèôòïÜõãéÜ-ÁÃÒÁü.de would be valid 22:54 < blindy> th: you're kidding! 22:54 < th> blindy: shall i register that one for you? 22:55 < th> blindy: no i'm serious 22:55 < th> blindy: https://www.denic.de/de/domains/idns/liste.html 22:55 < th> blindy: that's the whitelist of allowed chars 22:55 < blindy> *click* 22:56 < th> i really don't see why ß is not allowed. 22:56 < blindy> they have eth, they have thorn... but no ß? 22:57 < th> strange 23:00 < darix> hmm 23:00 < darix> i want www.<darix/>.de 23:00 < darix> thats a valid hostname too! 23:00 < blindy> sorry, no < / and > for you 23:01 < daja77> /..org ^^ 23:01 < blindy> muahaha 23:01 < netrunner> ah, local delivery error, there is one mail that cannot be delivered locally, and fetchmail stops working out the others. 23:01 < blindy> ->.ch 23:01 < daja77> netrunner: fetchmail is crap 23:01 < netrunner> daja77: alternative? 23:01 < blindy> netrunner: that's why I have direct forwarding using an /etc/aliases entry :P 23:02 < netrunner> /ignore blindy 23:02 < blindy> netrunner: like I said, get a REAL mail address 23:02 < netrunner> blindy: how real would you like to have it? the problem persists, it's the local mta. 23:02 < blindy> netrunner: I don't have fetchmail on ANY of my machines, and I get ALL my mails delivered to me. no IMAP. That's how real it's got to be. 23:03 < blindy> and that's including the @bingo-ev.de mails 23:03 < darix> clifford: im just about sending a patch for the subversion links page. should i add submaster? 23:03 < daja77> netrunner: there is one, forgot the name ... 23:04 < netrunner> darix: I've also added a submaster patch to submaster, so why not? :) 23:04 < cytrinox`> gn8 23:04 < darix> netrunner: you mean to subversion? 23:04 < netrunner> darix: as I wrote. 23:05 < blindy> anyway, I'm off. won't be back until monday... wish me luck! 23:05 < darix> netrunner: that doesnt make sense too me 23:05 < darix> -o 23:05 < daja77> blindy: good luck 23:05 < netrunner> darix: I created a patch to sm.pl and uploaded it using itself 23:05 < blindy> netrunner: btw. your patch was rejected quite noisily :) 23:05 < darix> netrunner: err. 23:05 < netrunner> blindy: which? 23:05 < blindy> netrunner: the submaster one 23:06 < netrunner> hm, have to wait for the mails, but clifford always causes noise ;) 23:06 < th> i'm off now too. cya later. 23:06 < blindy> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004030722343819526 23:06 < blindy> @netrunner 23:07 < blindy> netrunner: btw: chomp($url=<F>); chomp($user=<F>); chomp($pass=<F>); does remove whitespace 23:08 < darix> netrunner: i mean: 23:08 < darix> <li><b>submaster</b> - SubMaster is a system for distributed$ 23:08 < darix> software development, based on Subversion.<br>$ 23:08 < darix> <a href="https://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html">$ 23:08 < darix> https://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html</a>$ 23:08 < darix> </li>$ 23:08 < darix> for: https://subversion.tigris.org/project_links.html 23:09 < blindy> anyway, have to be okay tomorrow for those two girls... 23:10 < netrunner> rxr: THIS IS NOT RANDOM JUNK BUT A FIX TO THE VERY BASIC FUNCTIONALLITY OF THAT PAGE AND SUBMASTER. 23:10 < blindy> bye 23:10 < netrunner> rxr: and don't shout at me. 23:11 < daja77> rxr shouted? 23:11 < netrunner> daja77: yes. i hope this was a mistake. 23:11 < daja77> i don't see a shouting apart from yours ... 23:12 < netrunner> daja77: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004030722343819526 23:13 < daja77> ic 23:13 < rxr> netrunner: but not ROCK Linux ! 23:13 < rxr> netrunner: sent it to clifford! 23:14 < mnemoc> it's implicit that sm=JUNK 23:14 < rxr> send even ... 23:14 < mnemoc> :p 23:14 < rxr> mnemoc: you sniffed my mails to clifford ... :-( !!! 23:14 < mnemoc> LOL 23:14 < daja77> LOL 23:14 < rxr> damn smap.sh crap has not been friendly to me lately ... 23:15 < SMP> re 23:15 < mnemoc> rxr: 2004011514184823418 <--- comment? 23:15 < netrunner> rxr: on no place of this smadm.cgi is written that it is only for ROCK. and I can react to friendly comments also. 23:18 < rxr> netrunner: it was not meant to be unfriendly ;-) 23:18 < netrunner> rxr: sounded differen. and loud. 23:19 < rxr> netrunner: just read it with a smile and send it to ober-guru Clifford ;-) 23:19 < netrunner> done. /me relaxing a bit again. 23:19 < rxr> ouhm 23:20 < rxr> I would need to play with this patch before I apply it ... 23:20 < rxr> maybe I do so tomorrow 23:20 < rxr> btw. this is run from the stage2 bootdisk - why do you assume /etc/lcmtab contains useful content? 23:21 < netrunner> rxr: I have finished a desktop build. (ignore errors from my packages ;) https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/err/vlad-2.0.1-x86-pentium3-32-desktop-expert/ 23:22 < rxr> netrunner: which revision? 23:23 < SMP> rxr: do you need help at Cebit? 23:23 < rxr> ;-) 23:23 < netrunner> rxr: started on monday. 23:23 < rxr> we only seem to get two cards - which are already marked with René and Daniel ... 23:24 < rxr> but if you like to join anyway it would be really helpful! 23:24 < SMP> well I could always just buy a ticked - although I wasn't planning on going there 23:24 < netrunner> I might be able to organize cards if I get a place to stay there ... 23:25 * netrunner takes the cards from the security guards of Dr. v. Pierer ;) last time I even had his card 23:25 < rxr> well - my family lives 40km near Hannover - but I do not yet know how happy they will be to host group of us hackers ... 23:26 < SMP> I'm 100km away, no big deal going there 23:27 < rxr> the Linux New Media AG seems to be quite happy about ROCK attending the booth - and immediately asked that we should come next year, too ;-)! 23:27 < mnemoc> oh 23:30 < SMP> it's fascinating to see that apparently Rene's MUA insists on doing a group-reply, even though the list messages already include a reply-to header ;-) 23:31 < SMP> WHAT THE HECK 23:32 < rxr> SMP: if I find free time I'll tell the author of Mew about this ... 23:32 < SMP> what the heck is this: 23:33 < SMP> $ svn up 23:33 < SMP> A avm 23:33 < SMP> A avm/noteedit 23:33 < SMP> A avm/noteedit/noteedit.conf 23:33 < SMP> A avm/noteedit/noteedit.desc 23:33 < SMP> (under trunk/ ) 23:33 < netrunner> huh, just saw it, too 23:34 < SMP> svn goofing or Rene? 23:34 < netrunner> the patch is ok, maybe applypatch in the wrong dir assumed -p1 or so 23:35 * netrunner feeling priviledged having a toplevel dir 23:35 < rxr> SMP: oh my god - damn smap.sh ... 23:38 < netrunner> https://www.chip.de/news/c_news_11643711.html 23:39 < SMP> netrunner: old 23:40 < netrunner> SMP: just got the mail from my friend who announced it. and I haven't read that link here. 23:42 < SMP> I pasted it on monday afternoon ;) 23:42 < netrunner> ah :) 23:42 < rxr> rehi 23:42 < rxr> damn fuse just crashed my kernel ... 23:43 < rxr> ok - n8 all - cu tomorrow 23:43 < netrunner> n8 rxr 23:43 < netrunner> good idea. n8 * 23:43 < mnemoc> tar.gz? 23:43 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 23:45 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 23:45 < A-Tui> hola 23:46 < mnemoc> A-Tui: la 'gracia' de hoy fue ETA? 23:47 < A-Tui> mnemoc, si :( 23:47 < A-Tui> aunque yo no estoy tan seguro que fuera ETA 23:47 < mnemoc> por? 23:47 < A-Tui> es sólo mi opinión, pero a ETA no le interesa este tipo de atentados 23:48 < mnemoc> un nuevo grupo? un montaje? 23:48 < A-Tui> nunca ha realizado atentados de esta magnitud ni en los que no hubiera "objetivos" desde el 87 23:48 < A-Tui> mnemoc, no has oido las noticias 23:48 < A-Tui> se ha encontrado una furgoneta con detonadores y una cinta con versos del coran 23:48 < mnemoc> musulmanes?? 23:49 < A-Tui> y una carta a un diario árabe en londres da la autoría a Al-Qaeda 23:49 < A-Tui> como "ajuste de cuentas" por lo de Iraq 23:49 < A-Tui> no se, eso sólo importa políticamente 23:49 < A-Tui> el domingo hay elecciones 23:50 < A-Tui> muy mal día hoy :( 23:50 < mnemoc> interesante 23:51 < A-Tui> mnemoc, las investigaciones ahora no descartan nada 23:51 < SMP> "muy mal día hoy" = "today is a very bad day"? 23:51 < A-Tui> mi opinión es que es cosa del ingregismo musulmán (aunque no lo se muy bien) 23:51 < A-Tui> SMP, yes 23:51 * SMP trying to follow the conversation 23:51 < SMP> fascinating ;) 23:52 < A-Tui> ok, we can speak in english then :) 23:52 * daja77 too 23:52 < A-Tui> i live just between Madrid and Bilbao (Vasque Country) 23:59 < mnemoc> i found hard to believe that Al-Qaeda had choosed to atack spain first --- Log closed Fri Mar 12 00:00:17 2004