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--- Log opened Fri Mar 12 00:00:17 2004 00:00 < mnemoc> in that case we (.cl) are a target too (as president of the security council of UN) 00:01 < A-Tui> mmmmm could be, but they advised spain yet 00:02 < mnemoc> spain (as we) was playing to be a big country which it isn't... who care about what we (.es/.cl) do or say? 00:07 < mnemoc> .oO( are we significantly more important than... andorra or guyana? ) 00:07 -!- rammi [~strugarev@216.236.217.173] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 < rammi> hi 00:08 < mnemoc> hi rammi 00:12 < A-Tui> mnemoc, :) 00:12 < A-Tui> mnemoc, i agree with that words :) 00:18 < darix> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. 00:22 < A-Tui> kiss package requires linux24 headers? 00:39 -!- rammi [~strugarev@216.236.217.173] has quit () 00:42 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm89.sigma51.maxonline.com.sg] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 00:48 < daja77> re 00:49 < A-Tui> hola daja77 00:49 < daja77> hola A-Tui 00:53 * fake adds 'php' to the list 'why this world is b0rken' 00:53 < daja77> hehe 00:53 < daja77> not using java? 00:56 < daja77> anyway gn8 01:00 < darix> fake: building php and all deps is painfull ;) 01:58 < mnemoc> *yawn* 03:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FBF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FB70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 03:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 03:25 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 03:36 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9502DD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:43 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:09 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p5080243D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:10 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802584.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:45 -!- RobeWrk [Robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has quit (Connection timed out) 05:42 -!- togg [~togg@pD9E5BE73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 05:48 -!- togg [~togg@pD9E5B7C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:27 -!- RobeWrk [Robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has joined #rocklinux 07:10 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-105.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:24 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 07:31 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-059-019.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09:21 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail2@p213.54.163.98.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:23 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.61.100.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:23 < rxr> rehi 09:40 < blindy> moin 09:41 < rxr> moin blindy 09:42 < blindy> moin rxr 09:42 < blindy> congrats on that CeBIT thing! 09:42 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail2@p213.54.163.98.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:43 -!- cytrinox`- [~dj-nail2@p213.54.137.55.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:43 < rxr> yeah - this is really great 09:45 < blindy> indeed! how did you manage to get a booth there? 09:45 < blindy> Coaxed the KDE people to lend theirs to you? 09:48 < rxr> blindy: nah - I just started to manage a OpenBooth space for next year while talking to the Linux New Media AG and KDE people - and it happend that the KDE people do not need the space this year because they will be located at SuSE - this way we speed up the registration process to already attend this year ... 09:49 < blindy> cool! just cool! 09:51 < blindy> wish I could be there, but I have to teach Linux to some MCSEs next week >_< 09:51 < rxr> yeah - so now I'm extremely busy getting 2.0.1 out until then - and creating PR material 09:51 < blindy> yes, I can imagine that 09:57 * blindy won't be bothering with termcap and loop-aes then :) 10:08 < blindy> hmm 10:08 < blindy> setting up a Submaster Web-thingie isn't that easy without docs >_< 10:17 < rxr> blindy: why do you want to setup a submaster web thingi ? 10:17 < blindy> rxr: I want a featur in SubMaster: Dependencies 10:18 < blindy> rxr: that's why I set one up to play with 10:18 < blindy> rxr: like the LVP Patch: I have 4 patch deps in a comment and one of those depends on yet another patch. 10:19 < blindy> rxr: I want to have this solved cleanly and - maybe - with the possibility to create a dependency tree for being nice to look at :)= 10:29 < netrunne1> re 10:29 < blindy> moin netrunne1 10:30 < netrunne1> arg 10:30 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 10:30 < netrunner> i hate that 10:31 < blindy> use keepnick 10:32 < netrunner> I tried it, but didn't work. simply did nothing 10:33 < netrunner> what about the linuxtag karlsruhe thing btw? nobody interested? 10:37 < rxr> netrunner: we are interested - just no time yet to bother 10:37 < rxr> netrunner: can you coordinate registration and so on? 10:38 < netrunner> rxr: I would, if I'd notice I am not the only one going there. 10:38 < rxr> netrunner: I'm there 10:39 < rxr> and other too - we always have been at this Linuxtag ... 10:39 < netrunner> ok, so I'll write them if we get some space. 10:39 < rxr> netrunner: nah - not "ig" 10:39 < rxr> netrunner: write them that we plan to attend as usually or so 10:39 < netrunner> sure :) 10:39 < rxr> if even 10:40 < rxr> isn't there some web thing to click into? 10:40 < rxr> there is some Joe (or so) who knows Ripclaw and ROCK - maybe we should write to him ... 10:41 < netrunner> I think the community-projects pavillion is the place to go, and this joe is to be mailed. https://www.linuxtag.org/2004/community/pavillon.html 10:41 < netrunner> So maybe ripclaw should do the mailing 10:42 < rxr> netrunner: I would just mail them 10:43 < rxr> netrunner: I phoned with ripclaw some days ago - he had an car accident and so on ... 10:43 < rxr> netrunner: just write the mail and CC him or so ... 10:44 < rxr> s/him/ripclaw/ of course .. 10:44 < netrunner> ok. 10:46 < netrunner> would it take a lot of time to set me up a netrunner@rocklinux.org or avmeier@rocklinux.org? Looks better for this purpose. 10:48 < netrunner> btw, I bought a bike last week, and wondered a lot about those seats with a hole in the middle. ... until I found https://clubs.dir.bg/showthreaded.php?Cat=13&Board=biking&Number=1941221405&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part 10:54 < rxr> netrunner: ask Clifford - but just sending the mail should be fine 10:54 < netrunner> ok 11:04 < netrunner> omg https://clip.ath.cx/kul/britney.jpg 11:05 < rxr> netrunner: what you doing there ?!?! 11:05 < netrunner> rxr: where? 11:06 < rxr> the other searching for crazy pics - the other pic was already enough shocking with susan around ... 11:06 * rxr not pasting any pic from netrunner into the browser anymore ... 11:06 < netrunner> *g* 11:06 < netrunner> rxr: sorry, didn't want to embarass you :/ 11:07 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9502DD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ze űda brí-tenkoR") 11:07 < netrunner> the latter is non-explicit. just shows a comment from britney spears how stupid she is. 11:07 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:08 < rxr> maybe she believes in re-birth - or how this is named in english ... 11:08 < netrunner> reincarnation 11:08 < rxr> yeah - that 11:10 < rxr> those debian guys are strange - naming the gsmlib package gsm-utils ... 11:11 < rxr> fake: how do you generate your sms notifications? Some mail notification of your ISP or so - or selfmade? 11:13 < netrunner> rxr: you can either use a modem hooked up to your mailserver that dials the gsm-provider (tap/ucp) or a cellphone on the server, or using a mailgateway of your phone provider ... 11:18 < rxr> netrunner: I guess "dials the gsm-provider (tap/ucp)" is not "free"? What are the costs? 11:20 < netrunner> rxr: the cost is a connection from your telephone company to the respective network (e.g. telecom -> D2) 11:20 < netrunner> with callbycall about 15cent 11:21 < blindy> WEE! 11:21 < blindy> it werks :) 11:21 < blindy> ehm works 11:21 < netrunner> whet werks? 11:21 < netrunner> :) 11:21 < daja77> moin 11:21 < blindy> netrunner: dependencies in submaster 11:21 < blindy> moin daja77 11:21 < blindy> netrunner: I'm currently working on that a bit 11:22 < netrunner> hi daja77 11:23 < daja77> hi netrunner, blindy, rxr 11:29 < blindy> please have a look at it: https://scavenger.homeip.net/cgi-bin/smadm.cgi 11:29 < blindy> http-authentication is guest / guest 11:31 < daja77> rxr: ripclaw had another accident??! 11:31 * netrunner away 11:32 < daja77> blindy: what should we test there 11:32 < daja77> cu netrunner 11:33 < blindy> daja77: see the details of the first patch 11:33 < blindy> daja77: there should be some dependencies there 11:33 < blindy> daja77: please tell me if you like that or not 11:33 < daja77> internal server error when click on the patch 11:33 < rxr> daja77: when I called him three days ago he just had a car accident ... 11:34 < daja77> this is crazy 11:34 < blindy> daja77: oh... please use the "Open Patch link" 11:34 < rxr> daja77: I do not know how many "other" accidents he had .... 11:34 < daja77> rxr: more than 6 afaik 11:34 < blindy> d'oh 11:34 < daja77> this guy should be kept away from roads ;) 11:35 < blindy> setting up SM without docs can really kill your day >_< 11:35 < daja77> ah dependencies, nice 11:35 < blindy> daja77: what do you think of this? 11:36 < daja77> nice idea 11:36 < blindy> ok, I'll send a patch to the list :) 11:38 < blindy> as soon as I removed some code duplication 11:51 < blindy> done 11:51 < blindy> patch sent 11:52 < blindy> now for some last-minute house-cleaning before the women arrive... 11:52 < daja77> women? 11:53 < blindy> yes 11:53 < blindy> two of them 11:53 < blindy> from today until sunday 11:55 < blindy> here at my home 11:55 < daja77> hf ;) 11:56 < blindy> heh, something like that :) 12:00 < daja77> sounds like fun to me 12:01 < blindy> I don't know what this sounds like, but I'll tell you once they're gone again 12:01 < daja77> lol k 12:01 < blindy> including address of hospital I'm at 12:01 < daja77> O_o 12:02 < blindy> if applicable :) 12:47 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: true, mistik1, netcrow_, snyke, kasc, blindy, Freak, alanjwylie, fake, alan_, (+18 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: trekkie3k, cytrinox`-, dsoul, Nebukadneza`, netrunner, blindy, praenti, ija, daja77, th (+18 more) 13:00 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p508BAEE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:13 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 13:16 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95F1DEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:20 < rxr> hm 13:20 < rxr> I'll be shorlty off-line 13:20 < rxr> if localhero (aka Alexander) arrives please tell him I'm online agian in half an hour or so 13:20 < blindy> ok 13:20 < rxr> rocklinux-consultinde.de will be online in some mintues for the ram update ... 13:23 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-40-28.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("leaving") 13:48 -!- rene [~rene@port-212-202-41-96.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:48 < rene> rehi 13:48 -!- rene is now known as rxr 13:48 < rxr> server online again 13:48 < blindy> re 13:48 < blindy> good ^^ 13:49 < rxr> with faster RAM and additinal 800 virtual Mht (the -XP AMD ratin ...) 13:49 < blindy> nice 13:51 < rxr> Mhz even ... 13:51 < blindy> sure :) 13:53 < blindy> rxr: maybe you and clifford sure talk directly instead of using the mailinglist in this matter. 13:54 < rxr> we'll see in the next .cache commit how much faster the box is now ... 13:54 < rxr> blindy: we wanted but found no time at CLT ... 13:54 < blindy> rxr: I see. 13:55 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.42] has joined #rocklinux 13:56 < rxr> hi Droot 13:58 < mnemoc> moin 14:01 < blindy> hi mnemoc 14:01 < mnemoc> hi blindy 14:01 < mnemoc> hi rxr 14:01 < rxr> moin mnemoc 14:11 < daja77> hi mnemoc 14:20 < mnemoc> hi daja77 14:21 < cytrinox`-> moin 14:21 < mnemoc> moin cytrinox`- 14:22 < blindy> finally I have a roadmap for LVP now :) 14:22 < mnemoc> WOW! i want one of those here too 14:23 < blindy> now I'm busy until at least 0.5.0 :) 14:23 < mnemoc> =) 14:31 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.0.1 will be a hotfix release of 2.0.0, can you write down your list of goals for the nexts releases? so we can discuss priorities etc... and then we can make a roadmap (PLEASE) 14:32 < daja77> 2.0.1 for cebit 14:33 < mnemoc> 2.0.1 is clear now, i wonder about 2.0.[2-...] 14:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I answered your mail with the roadmap plan - I can clean it up and repost it 14:34 < mnemoc> yes? when???..... keywords to search? 14:34 < rxr> the next ones will not get so many updates - they will be merged in bigger chunks out of trunk - save bits 14:36 < rxr> 193 03/06 4k To:rock-devel@rock Re: [rock-devel] v2.0.0 -> future $ 14:36 < rxr> I can answer your next mail in thread also in some minutes (when I'm finished playint with my Cell-Phone to get GRPS working ...) 14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: ah.. i was talking about something more detailed :) 14:43 < mnemoc> i'll wait :p 14:46 < mnemoc> clifford: i'm not too against your development model, my main problem is about direction, nobody knows where this ship is going and this way we can't discuss or even work good 14:48 < mnemoc> clifford: if foo has control over foo/ repo AND he really knows which are the goals and the timelines he will can work as a help to the tree-mantainer 14:49 < mnemoc> clifford: other kind of changes need to go to submaster 14:49 < blindy> is clifford here? 14:49 < mnemoc> don't know be he always checks his log even if he don't answer :) 14:49 < mnemoc> s/be/but/1 14:49 < blindy> ah I see 14:51 < mnemoc> mmm.. i don't know if i should keep mailing 14:51 < mnemoc> i'll wait for rene's reply :p 14:56 < blindy> btw. what is a smap journal? 14:59 < rxr> hm - I'm now online via my phone using GRPS ... 15:00 < blindy> rxr: throughput? 15:00 < darix> rxr: bored or too much moneyß 15:01 < blindy> I haven't bothered to set up GPRS yet 15:02 < rxr> was 5kB/s 15:03 < rxr> p# ping www.heise.de 15:03 < rxr> PING www.heise.de (193.99.144.71): 56 octets data 15:03 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.71: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=785.1 ms 15:03 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.71: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=720.0 ms 15:03 < rxr> darix: no DSL in my flat ... 15:03 < rxr> I want a fallback if I'm @home and need s.th. urgently ... 15:03 < rxr> blindy: GSM? 15:05 < blindy> rxr: last time I used my phone to connect to internet I was still using debian 15:06 < rxr> OMG 15:06 < blindy> btw. I have never used pppd without roaring penguin on ROCK... 15:07 < rxr> roaring what? 15:07 < blindy> rp-pppoe 15:07 < rxr> plain vanilla ROCK: 15:07 < rxr> interface ppp0(sanne) 15:07 < rxr> pppoe eth0 auto 15:07 < rxr> ppp-option user "the-t-offline-id" 15:08 < rxr> ppp-option password "the-to-offline-passwd" 15:08 < rxr> ppp-option defaultroute 15:08 < rxr> ppp-option usepeerdns 15:08 < rxr> finished 15:08 < blindy> well, that was a year ago. AFAIK you needed a CVS checkout of pppd by that time for pppoe 15:08 < rxr> I'll now improve the ppp ROCK Net module to handle chat stuff so I can GRPS and GSM via ROCK Net 15:09 < rxr> blindy: in the past there was a 3rd party pach I always used - and the last -rc includes pppoe stuff 15:09 < blindy> heh, good luck. btw. it's gPRs not gRPs 15:09 < rxr> blindy: ah yes - I tend to reverse them ... 15:09 < blindy> rxr: just so you don't confuse them on the CeBit :) 15:09 < rxr> we use this ppp-rc (and I should take a look if there an update ...) 15:10 < blindy> I see. well, nevermind then ;) 15:10 < rxr> ok - I practive gprs, gprs, gprs, gprs ... 15:10 < blindy> *lol* 15:10 < rxr> yesterday in a O2 shop where I bought the USB cable for my Siemens phone: 15:11 < blindy> uh-oh... that sounds like the beginning of a scary story 15:11 < rxr> "Ouhm - this is yet another cable, and I just made sure that the original Siemens cable will work under my professional Linux Operating System .... 15:12 < rxr> can I bring it back when it is crap and is not yet supported? - Oh wait, the package can be open without destroying it - might I just plug it into my laptop?" 15:12 < rxr> "Hm - let's see - oh sure" 15:13 < rxr> "/me plugging the thing into my iBook - and *ping* ROCK net detected a serial dongle - module loader /dev/usb/tts/0 present -> ok I take it ... 15:13 < rxr> " 15:13 < rxr> the cable had an label: "First install software before plug this device into the compuer" 15:13 < rxr> seems I installed the right software before I plugged the thing into my laptop ... 15:13 < blindy> hehe 15:13 < rxr> ROCK Plug rocks ... 15:14 < jsaw_> even if I shouldn't be here but back to our all-day-boring-long symposium, I have time for a short :) 15:15 * jsaw_ now going to hide in a dark corner, cu 2n8! 15:17 < rolla> does anyone here use openmosix? 15:30 * blindy not 15:38 < blindy> rxr: any solution for data cables that only activate if you press the hotsync button on the palm on the other end of the cable? 15:53 < blindy> bbl 15:57 < rxr> blindy: I have no palm ... 16:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i reply clifford trying to addapt my view to what i understood of his, and i'm waiting for comments, screams and unfriendly words :) 16:26 -!- RobeWrk [Robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:26 -!- WrKRobe [Robe@das.geizhals.buero.ist.geiler.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:30 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-105.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") 16:34 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:39 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 16:40 < LocalHero> Hi all 16:40 < LocalHero> rxr: Lost your password again ;).. Haha, well you are not the only one ;) 16:47 < rxr> yeah - hi 16:47 < rxr> who else? you? ;= 16:50 < mnemoc> uhm... i mailed a .zip generated with /dev/urandom (to get an extra day :p) and teacher mail me back because his mcafee said him that it has a virus o_O 16:52 < rxr> mnemoc: *lol* 16:55 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABB1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:01 < tcr> moin all 17:01 < mnemoc> moin tcr 17:08 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.42] has quit () 17:14 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.42] has joined #rocklinux 17:23 < rxr> LocalHero: still here? 17:32 < mnemoc> rxr: did you read me 'proposal' to cliff? comments? (can be at /query if you like ;-) 17:33 * mnemoc kicks sourceforge :\ 17:34 < mnemoc> 20 minutes waiting for the confirmation mail :'( 17:36 < rxr> mnemoc: later 17:37 < rxr> mnemoc: I just fight with bash and echo ... 17:37 < mnemoc> what's wrong with echo?? 17:37 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ("Kopete 0.8.0 : https://kopete.kde.org") 17:39 < rxr> I need the correct quoting in a file - bash and echo are against me 17:41 < fake> hm 17:41 < fake> tsa: ping 17:42 < fake> tsa: cyrus-sasl-2.1.17 has gone away 17:42 < fake> before being mirrored 17:45 < fake> ... patch in sm 17:51 < fake> rxr: there is an offer of o2 17:51 < fake> rxr: for 2,95 EUR extra/month i can read and sead as much emails from my handy as i like (via a wap frontend) 17:51 < fake> rxr: and i get a mail address @o2online.de 17:52 < fake> rxr: when a mail arrives at this address, i get an sms with subject, content exceprt and a linkt o directly read it 17:52 < fake> rxr: so i have a ! line in my .mailfilter 18:03 < rxr> fake: interesting 18:03 < rxr> (and good to know - sice I'm also ad o2 ...) 18:04 < rxr> fake: do you use some form of data service (gsm or gprs)? 18:04 < fake> aeh 18:04 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.42] has quit () 18:04 < fake> please be more specific ;) 18:06 < fake> https://www.o2online.de/o2/kunden/myo2/startseite/o2activepacks/mailpack/index.html 18:06 < rxr> do you use gsm or gprs for internet access when you are abroad 18:07 < fake> well, only for reading my mail on my mobile phone, but that's so fscking slow 18:07 < fake> rxr: don't get tempted by any other 'active pack' like surf&email, the sms notify is only limited in the other packs 18:08 < fake> (you can not use your phone's internal mail app, just the wap mail frontend) 18:10 < rxr> I used gprs with linux here today 18:10 < rxr> 700ms pings 18:10 < rxr> @ 5kB/s 18:13 < fake> one word: ugly 18:14 < fake> try to grab a umts phone on cebit ;) 18:14 < rxr> even more expensive 18:15 < fake> who said 'buy' ? 18:15 < rxr> in theory gprs should be faster - maybe with my current config I get 10kB/s 18:15 < rxr> with 4xxxxx Baud the phone does not repond anymore ... :-( 18:15 < rxr> fake: I got this - but the cost of use is expensive, too ... 18:15 < fake> siemens? 18:16 < rxr> yes 18:16 < rxr> why ? 18:16 < rxr> M55 ... 18:16 < rxr> (I had to save money in November when I got it ...) 18:16 < rxr> otherwise I would have your T610, too ...) 18:16 < fake> that's where the new packages come from ;) 18:17 < rxr> the goot thing is that the cable is a normal serial dongle - so I'll cut it in the middle - introduce some special plug, and can use it when I plug-in a SUB-D-9 adapter for serial consoles ... 18:18 < fake> sweet 18:22 -!- laga_ [laga@p508AF9A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:22 < laga_> re 18:22 < rxr> hi laga_ 18:22 < laga_> hi rxr 18:26 < laga_> err, ok. i downloaded those drock images (beta 6). i`ve just installed it, and now, i have few questions. 1.) where are the usb drivers? (ehci-hcd for example) 2.) why do i get "unresolved symbols" while running depmod on the stock kernel? 18:26 < laga_> ^^ or are these the reason for putting "beta" in the release name? :) 18:27 < fake> why beta6 ?? 18:29 < fake> rxr: maybe you want to move any old images somewhere strange... 18:30 < laga_> fake, hmm. i see that i'm using localheros images, oops :) 18:31 < fake> laga_: hope your connection speed isn't too bad... 18:32 < rxr> fake: iso.rocklinux.de does not yet have the -final 18:33 < rxr> fake: laga_: it will be there in some hours (when I'm finished with ROCK Net and have the time to polish the files on the mirrors ...) 18:33 < laga_> fake, 90kbps should be enough. but, err...how can i update the whole system? i'm missing these emerge scripts and the other stuff 18:33 < rxr> when you want to build from source 18:33 < rxr> Update-System 18:33 < rxr> Emerge-Pkg is also there .. 18:34 < fake> cd /usr/src/rock-src && mkdir config && cp -r /etc/ROCK-CONFIG config/default && ./scripts/Update-System 18:34 < laga_> fake, ok, thanx 18:35 < fake> later, only ./scripts/Update-System | ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg <packagename> is needed 18:36 < fake> rxr: is that in the handbook? 18:37 < rxr> hm - barely I guess ... 18:38 < fake> i could conitribute that, but i have never seen Emerge-Pkg -deps working...? 18:40 < fake> .oO( netrunner is a pervert (while reading backlog)) 18:43 < laga_> hmm, that "beta 6" could explain why it installed gnome 2.2 etc..i was a little bit confused during the installation :) 18:44 < fake> beta6 is really old 18:44 < laga_> yep 18:44 < laga_> btw, has the installer changed? it sucked a little bit :) 18:45 < fake> not changed, but enhanced 18:45 < laga_> nice. 18:45 < laga_> sometimes, it was a little bit confusing 18:46 < fake> you can always implement a nicer one and submit it ;) 18:46 < laga_> hmm, you are right. can you teach me a programming language? :) 18:46 < fake> sure. 18:47 < fake> https://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Languages/ 18:47 < laga_> hehe. it was kind of a rehtorical question :) 18:48 < tcr> laga_, rock's mostly shell script 18:49 < fake> (the installer is c) 18:49 < fake> gasgui is, in fact 18:49 < fake> the stone mod is shell 18:54 < laga_> ok, my line could be a little faster :( 18:54 < tcr> Heh 19:02 -!- elon [~afgh@zwelf.in-dsl.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:03 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD952281D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:09 < rolla> grr 19:10 < rxr> yeah - now ROCK Net PPP is improved to handle GPRS connections 19:10 < rxr> and should work for analog modem dial-ups, too 19:10 < fake> cool! 19:11 < rxr> I'll retest if if does still work for DSL (after my refactoring ...) 19:11 < rxr> interface ppp0(o2-grps) 19:11 < rxr> ppp /dev/usb/tts/0 230400 19:11 < rxr> ppp-defaults 19:11 < rxr> chat-defaults 19:11 < rxr> chat-init 'at+cgdcont=1,"IP","internet"' 19:11 < rxr> chat-dial 'atd*99***1#' 19:11 < rxr> that's it 19:11 < netrunner> rxr: could you document that? 19:11 < rxr> netrunner: ROCK Net is fully documented in the Handbook 19:12 < fake> ppp /dev/bluetooth/rfcomm/0 ;) 19:12 < netrunner> rxr: *duck* :) 19:12 < rxr> netrunner: and I'll adapt my handbook to include the todays PPP changes 19:12 < rxr> netrunner: there are even "how to share DSL via W-Lan" examples and so on in the book! 19:13 < rxr> I'll add a modem and GPRS example, too 19:13 < netrunner> rxr: I'll support you with a section about nx compression :) 19:13 < rxr> ;-) 19:13 < fake> netrunner: good! 19:13 < laga_> rxr, "how to share DSL via W-Lan" examples <- yeah, nice. i could use that :) 19:13 * netrunner already begun writing. 19:13 < rxr> laga_: using ad-hoc mode ... 19:13 < rxr> netrunner: cool 19:14 < laga_> rxr, i'm using a prism2card as an access point 19:14 < SMP> any objections to using /etc/network/.rocknet instead of /tmp/.rocknet ? 19:15 < rxr> SMP: why? 19:15 < SMP> symlink attack? 19:15 < rxr> hm 19:16 < rxr> SMP: /var/* ? 19:17 < SMP> ok, /var/run/rocknet 19:21 < rxr> ok - next commit 19:22 < rxr> done 19:22 < SMP> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004031219174308196 19:23 < rxr> SMP: this are exaclty the bits from CLT - and they are tested and do not break anything ? 19:24 < SMP> the system.init code is not exactly the same, but cleaner functionally equivalent. only the exact CLT version is tested, thoug 19:24 < rxr> SMP: have you ever run it? 19:25 < SMP> not this thing 19:26 < rxr> hm 19:27 < rxr> I'll bother my iBook with the patch - back in some seconds if the patch does not horrible screw my book ... 19:30 < fake> ... 5 years later ... 19:31 < SMP> the ip-up script is funny ... 19:31 < fake> btw, i have objections to rene and clifford both being at cebit 19:32 < SMP> makes resolv.conf acculmulate '# added by /etc/ppp/ip-up during PPP connect ...' lines 19:33 < rxr> *lol*: 19:33 < rxr> Running svn add and svn del commands ... 19:33 < rxr> Commiting patch to subversion ... 19:33 < rxr> Log message unchanged or not specified 19:33 < rxr> a)bort, c)ontinue, e)dit 19:33 < rxr> a 19:33 < rxr> Marking patch 2004031219174308196 as applied ... 19:33 < rxr> Removing 2004031219174308196.{patch,stat} ... 19:33 * rxr no comment 19:34 < fake> rxr: fix it? 19:34 < rxr> SMP: unlike the smap status might suggest it is not yet applied - but on my iBook for testing ... 19:34 < fake> complaining is easy... 19:44 < rxr> fake: you should know that I normally fix stuff 19:45 < rxr> SMP: your patch survived a init s ; init 2 19:49 < rxr> fake: have you used gsm - or only gprs so far? 19:57 < rxr> ok - cu I'm off 20:11 < mnemoc> *yawn* 20:14 < SMP> gah, our complete init system is broken 20:15 < mnemoc> not only init s? 20:16 < SMP> well, now init 0 or init 6 from single-user mode does not work as it should 20:17 < SMP> plus the 'system' initscript really needs to be modularized and broken up into init.d and boot.d 20:17 < mnemoc> your rewrite looks equivalent 20:17 < mnemoc> yes, system.init is too fat 20:17 < SMP> equivalent? 20:18 < mnemoc> the lower part 20:18 < mnemoc> the reboot on 'S' of course not ;) 20:18 < SMP> well the problem is something else 20:19 < SMP> because we have not rc0.d / rc6.d, the system init won't be run for an S -> 0/6 transition, which results in init saying 'no more processes in this runlevel' instead of a halt or reboot triggered by the system init 20:21 < mnemoc> fake rc[06].d? 20:22 < mnemoc> mmm... 20:58 -!- dsoul_ [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 21:09 -!- cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 21:10 < rxr> SMP: propose this to clifford ... 21:10 < rxr> rehi btw - just testing my new PPP code for DSL ... 21:10 < rxr> (and I broke it - fix on the way) 21:10 < mnemoc> rxr: DSL??!! =) 21:13 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: @ Susanne ... - not in my flat :-( 21:14 < mnemoc> then you will move from valentin's? ;) 21:15 < mnemoc> +away 21:20 -!- dsoul_ [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:47 < rxr> mnemoc: I currently obfuscate all DSL connection from people arround me 21:48 < rxr> yesterday I worked here @Susan and today I started here, visited Valentin and drove back 21:48 < rxr> and now I drive home ... 21:48 < mnemoc> what happened with the wlan of youir neighbor? 21:48 < rxr> mnemoc: have to see ... 21:49 < rxr> with the recent ROCK Net I'm now able to use internet via my cell-phone w/ gprs ... 21:49 < mnemoc> fear wallet... fear! 21:49 < laga_> so haven't to use the wlan of your neighbour any longer? :) 21:49 < SMP> mnemoc: heh, yeah ... 21:51 < SMP> rxr: I hope you're seeing your grilf for other reasons than utilising her DSL, too! ;) 21:53 < rxr> SMP: yes 22:18 < mnemoc> tcr: here? 22:33 < tcr> mnemoc, yup 22:34 < mnemoc> query :) 23:02 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 23:21 < daja77> re 23:21 < mnemoc> re daja77 23:23 -!- sten [~sten@24.64.187.183] has quit ("testing") 23:23 < daja77> mnemoc: iirc you wanted to ask me sth? 23:29 < mnemoc> me? 23:32 < daja77> thought so, clt related perhaps 23:32 < mnemoc> oh, yes... i just wanted to know what did you decide about rock's future 23:32 < mnemoc> and how was the event and reactions to the launching --- Log closed Sat Mar 13 00:00:31 2004