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--- Log opened Sun Mar 14 00:00:45 2004 00:08 < netrunner> hand applied, looks good (want-have ;) 00:17 < netrunner> *g* https://clip.ath.cx/kul/lesson.txt 00:23 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD95F2F12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:39 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 00:41 -!- spektr [~spektr@M844P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:56 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has quit (Client Quit) 01:06 -!- spektr [~spektr@M844P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #rocklinux () 01:22 -!- Robe [E0F@oktoberfest.amd.co.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:42 -!- foo [~foo@ca-glendora-cuda2-c7a-b-119.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:38 -!- foo [~foo@ca-glendora-cuda2-c7a-b-119.arcdca.adelphia.net] has quit ("restarting server") 02:38 -!- praenti [mo2@biersorten.dyndns.org] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:03 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FCD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:03 -!- 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moin owl 10:11 < owl> hi rxr 10:47 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD900575E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:05 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-231.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:20 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-067-232.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:27 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-082-216-241.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:36 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.135.27.66] has joined #rocklinux 11:43 < blindy> moin 11:47 < daja77> moin 11:51 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95F2C1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:55 -!- sakatoon [~Bodo@dialin-212-144-018-121.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9952.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:06 < tcr> moin all 12:06 < sakatoon> re 12:07 < rxr> hi sakatoon and tcr 12:08 < daja77> hi rxr 12:17 < rxr> hi daja77 13:02 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD95F1756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:16 < cytrinox`-> moin 13:16 -!- cytrinox`- is now known as cytrinox 13:19 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p508BA8D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:57 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.135.27.66] has quit () 14:06 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@pD95F1756.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 14:10 -!- nookie [~nookie@M273P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:30 < daja77> 14:25 < reca> lol, --with-sco Use this to turn on SCO-specific code 14:30 < daja77> 14:25 < reca> irsi configureoptionen 14:44 < Aard> daja77: --with-sco will break the build process? ;) 14:44 < daja77> hehe 14:45 < daja77> --with-sco prints out adresses of lawyers 14:45 < Aard> lol 14:45 -!- laga_ [laga@p508AF854.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:45 < laga_> re 15:01 < laga_> is there any gui for X ("X" as in "not xterm" :)) 15:01 < laga_> ? 15:04 < tcr> hm? 15:05 < owl> gui for X?! *confused* 15:06 < blindy> *yawns* 15:06 < laga_> err. i'm sorry, i forgot the most important part of the qustion :) 15:06 < owl> hi blindy 15:06 < laga_> hi blindy 15:06 < blindy> hi owly 15:06 < blindy> hi all :) 15:07 < laga_> i'm looking for a kind of a packet management 15:08 < blindy> mine? 15:09 < laga_> yeah, but it's a command line tool. ok, i don't mind the comamnd line, but it would be nice to have something..um, clicky :) 15:10 < rxr> laga_: if someone needs this he/she will developt it ... ;-) 15:10 < blindy> stone has a frontend for mine 15:10 < laga_> hehe :) 15:10 < blindy> and a X11 interface 15:11 < laga_> blindy, ah, thanx! 15:11 < rxr> blindy: stone -x11 15:11 < blindy> rxr: ah, fes. that's what I meant 15:11 < rxr> blindy: you know it does work today? 15:12 < blindy> no, I usually use it to set up a thing or two during installation 15:12 < blindy> package "management" is done by scripts/Emerge-Pkg here 15:19 -!- Arios [~Arios@adsl-185-223.cytanet.com.cy] has joined #rocklinux 15:19 < Arios> with rocklinux I can make my own distro? 15:21 < laga_> Arios, hi. uhm, yes...you can put together the software of your choice, make an iso and burn it..yes, you can make your own distri 15:21 < blindy> *sigh* manners seem to have been vanquished from IRC 15:21 < blindy> Arios: hi. yes. 15:22 -!- Arios [~Arios@adsl-185-223.cytanet.com.cy] has quit (Client Quit) 15:53 < nookie> daja77: ping 15:57 < daja77> hm? 15:58 < laga_> let's assume that i have modules which i tant to load on boot, where do i put them? in the modules.conf? 16:12 < rxr> laga_: /etc/conf/$subsystem in the variable $SUBSYSTEM_MODULES 16:12 < rxr> or in /etc/conf/kernel 16:12 < rxr> laga_: see also: 16:12 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html#x36-7800010 16:13 < laga_> cool, thanks. i'll have a look 16:16 -!- brain- [nobody@p508171EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:16 < brain-> hello 16:19 < netrunner> nice, stone -x11, something new learned :) 16:21 < brain-> will I have to download all the sources again if i go from 2.0.0-rc4 to 2.0.0? 16:22 < netrunner> brain-: only those packages that got updated. 16:22 < blindy> brain-: no, only some 16:23 < brain-> hmm 16:24 < brain-> I don't want to exceed my bandwidth cap =( 16:25 < blindy> brain-: use ./scripts/Download -list-missing to see what packages need to be downloaded 16:25 < brain-> thank you 16:26 < blindy> then you can approximate how much MB there are 16:26 < brain-> cool 16:28 < brain-> does building against linux 2.6 work in 2.0.0? 16:29 < rxr> brain-: not perfectly 16:29 < brain-> building gcc fails for me in rc4 16:29 < brain-> ok, then i'll stick to 24 for now 16:29 < rxr> brain-: use the 2.4 headers that will work - with 2.6 headers you get some errors 16:29 < rxr> but it works perfectly with 2.6 kernels anyway .. 16:30 < mnemoc> to be able to use linux24-headers you have to set linux24 as default kernel 16:31 < brain-> yeah i know... I just wanted to compile against 2.6 because that seems so leet ;) 16:40 < daja77> re 16:42 < mnemoc> moin =) 16:42 < laga_> moin daja77, mnemoc 16:48 < daja77> moin mnemoc & laga_ 16:49 < laga_> ok, my rock linux installation is now working... rock rocks :) 16:49 < daja77> indeed 16:49 < laga_> and kde 3.2 too. 16:52 < rxr> laga_: nice to hear 16:58 < rxr> this damn fucking GNOME update - pulled packages where patches do not apply anymore 16:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9952.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:59 < laga_> err. i don't like acpi, it crashes my laptop :( 17:00 < rxr> acpi=off or so ... 17:00 < rxr> cu later 17:00 < laga_> ok, it crashes when i try to use it (hybernate etc..) 17:01 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9952.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:16 < fake> hi 17:18 < fake> netrunner: *ROFL* @https://clip.ath.cx/kul/lesson.txt 17:21 < laga_> LOL 17:21 < laga_> nice one :) 17:22 < blindy> MUAHAHA 17:45 < brain-> funny, although slightly unrealistic... =) 17:52 -!- nookie [~nookie@M273P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 18:03 -!- brain- [nobody@p508171EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta2 "T-Rex"") 18:34 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@dialin-212-144-147-140.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:34 < _NULL_> re 18:34 < _NULL_> someone knows the concert guitar "hoefner hz23"? 18:35 < rxr> no 18:36 < _NULL_> hmmm. ok. can you suggest a accoustic guitar for a beginner? 18:41 < blindy> _NULL_: trying to learn how to play a guitar? 18:42 < _NULL_> blindy, yes, i will start it soon 18:42 < _NULL_> why? 18:42 < blindy> just asking 18:42 < _NULL_> oki 18:47 < cchamilt> what kind of music do you want to learn to play? 18:49 < _NULL_> mixed. 18:49 < cchamilt> classical, folk, etc. 18:49 < cchamilt> do you plan to play with a pick or fingers on your right hand? 18:50 < _NULL_> i still don't know. but i guess rock, or something.. fingers with left hand 18:51 < cchamilt> your left handed? 18:52 < _NULL_> nope. normally not, but while playing the guitar i'm left-handed 18:52 < cchamilt> i would not recommend going with a left handed guitar even if you are... 18:52 < cchamilt> ?? 18:52 < _NULL_> why? 18:53 < cchamilt> Because, you will be short changed with the variety of instruments later and learning the guitar usually goes past coordination you currently have. 18:54 < _NULL_> hmm. i dunno. i guess i will just play the guitar... but will first will test it for 4 weeks, then might i will buy a own guitar 18:54 < cchamilt> You also want power/endurance in plucking, and if you are righthanded that is where you have it. 18:54 < cchamilt> If you plan to play mostly rock and with a pick, get a narrow neck with metal strings. 18:55 < _NULL_> hmmm. i normally can write with left and write hand... and if i'm playing or even holding the guitar in my right hand, i'm getting a large knot in the hands 18:55 < cchamilt> The amount of frets is not a big deal on acoustics, 20 is realistic, more are probably a waste and uncomfortable. 18:56 < cchamilt> If you were doing classical I would recommend wide neck and gut strings. 18:56 < blindy> you know what... 18:56 < blindy> I have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about 18:57 < cchamilt> heh 18:57 < cchamilt> it is a new rock package... 18:57 < cchamilt> The knot, i think you refer to is the part of the body that isnt cut away to get access to upper frets. 18:57 < _NULL_> hmmm. the guitar which i would prefer is with nylon strings 18:58 < rxr> cchamilt: do you have patches to contribute - e.g. the spamassasin one ? 18:58 < cchamilt> If you strum with your right, and finger with your left and it is on the bottom then you have a lefthanded guitar. 18:58 < cchamilt> rxr:yes, i am baking them up now. 18:58 < _NULL_> yeah. i know... and i guess i will really choose a lfethanded 18:58 < cchamilt> nylon is 'gut' to some extent. 18:59 < cchamilt> Are the lower note strings on the bottom or top? 18:59 < cchamilt> They should be on top, but you could have a lefthanded guitar reverse strung. 18:59 < _NULL_> hmm... E is on the top... 19:00 < cchamilt> people do silly things. 19:00 < cchamilt> E is on both sides... 19:00 < _NULL_> the strongest one is on the top 19:00 < cchamilt> the 'bass' one? 19:00 < _NULL_> s/strongest one/strongest string 19:00 < _NULL_> yeah. 19:01 < cchamilt> Good that is right for a lefty... 19:01 < _NULL_> hehe ;) 19:01 < cchamilt> I could recommend some american teaching books, but... 19:02 < _NULL_> we have nothing in this town, but a small, very-well guitar-studio where the owner is the teacher and teaches blues-rock 19:02 < _NULL_> ...but? ;) 19:02 * rxr wonders how top is define in this context ... 19:02 < cchamilt> The complete guitar guide is a good but expensive reference to general instrument knowledge and music. 19:02 < _NULL_> i c. 19:02 < cchamilt> It is in paperback now, get it from amazon.uk probably. Blues is a good start. 19:03 < _NULL_> oki. thx for the hint 19:03 < cchamilt> top - highest in altitude. 19:04 < cchamilt> rxr: i will parse thru them and explain them all. 19:05 < cchamilt> rxr: is an email ok for patches? 19:05 < rxr> cchamilt: yes email is fine 19:05 < rxr> cchamilt: but only send the most important ones for now - since I already freezed trunk -my build is nearly finished ... 19:05 < rxr> and so on 19:06 < tcr> moin cchamilt. Got the eMail? 19:06 < cchamilt> i am finishing fixing snort and slidentd 19:06 < cchamilt> yes. and thanks tcr. 19:07 < tcr> Ah, good. Wasn't sure if that were the right address.. I recall you changed it or wrote once with another to the list 19:08 < cchamilt> rxr: i did koffice-i18n too. 19:09 < rxr> send them I take a look 19:09 < cchamilt> tcr: yeah, that is the best email for me. 19:21 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.196] has joined #rocklinux 19:21 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@dialin-212-144-147-140.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("xserver...") 19:25 < rxr> cchamilt: do you send the patches soon? E.g. the koffice one first would be nice ... 19:26 < cchamilt> i am making the tree wide diff now 19:27 < cchamilt> should be only fixes for packages to build, got about 8 or so... 19:30 < fake> rxr: i suggest throwing away qt32 19:30 < fake> it's a bug-fix... 19:31 < rxr> but my 2.0.1 ISO will not include this patch then ... 19:31 < fake> then i'd say 'build it again' 19:32 < fake> it's a very 'peinlich' bug 19:32 < rxr> nope - qt is compatible with version 3.2 19:32 < rxr> *g+ 19:32 < fake> oh, then let's set x11 to /usr/X11R1 ? 19:33 < rxr> you are free to do so ... 19:34 < fake> hey, personally i don't care where qt is, it's just not as i would expect it 19:36 < rxr> I'll apply it but not rebuild my wohle ISO - I have more use for CPU power - e.g other regression tests and a reference build 19:37 < rxr> but not for rebuilding a error free ISO - where Qt has an incorrect prefix - which it had for weeks - unnoticed ... 19:47 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 < cchamilt> OK, happy goodluck 8 very much on way to list. 19:55 -!- nookie [~nookie@M273P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:57 < cchamilt> rxr: Are they OK? 20:00 < rxr> cchamilt: I take a look 20:01 < rxr> cchamilt: I guess all except the koffice shared files thing 20:02 < rxr> I take a look which package should not include the file anymore and patch it for up-stream send 20:04 < rxr> cchamilt: btw we have a clean install check pksinstalled 20:04 < cchamilt> yeah, that is just a cheap work around. 20:04 < cchamilt> hmm? 20:04 < rxr> I do not think so 20:04 < cchamilt> i used pkginstalled where i changed things... 20:05 < cchamilt> no i mean my koffice fix is cheap 20:05 < rxr> ah - oki 20:07 < cchamilt> koffice tended to put _koffice on other conflicted files, so I just went lazy. 20:09 < cchamilt> still havent fixed my damn -pthread problem, or i would have included those patches. It messes up about another 8 packages. 20:10 < cchamilt> I hope it is just my host that causes it. 20:13 < rxr> I have no pthread problems 20:13 < rxr> a full desktop build with only 2 errors left ... 20:14 < cchamilt> which ones? 20:16 < cchamilt> (I think it is an actually an undiscovered gcc new threads compat bug as the host is running the old threads system) 20:21 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M322P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 < rxr> what kind of "old threads system" 20:22 < cchamilt> old kernel and all tools using old glibc, though it is using new gcc and it is using new glibc. 20:22 < cchamilt> kernel was pre-thread model change. 20:22 < cchamilt> Wonder if it will go away with a kernel update. 20:23 < rxr> I do not think so 20:23 < rxr> you mean TLS (Thread Local Storage?? 20:23 < cchamilt> i think so 20:23 < cchamilt> i think gcc is causing the spewing -pthread 20:24 < rxr> we do not configure glibc to use TLS 20:24 < cchamilt> hmm, not sure i will experiment tomorrow. 20:25 < cchamilt> I am going to sleep, cyall 20:26 -!- nookie [~nookie@M273P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:43 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-161.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:01 -!- _NULL_ [~owl@dialin-212-144-147-140.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:01 < _NULL_> re 21:01 < _NULL_> someone has experience with bluetooth and connecting a mobile to the notebook? 21:52 * netrunner not 21:58 < daja77> rxr: ? 22:03 < netrunner> "free for unrestricted use" = gpl ? 22:03 < daja77> nope, gpl is restricted use 22:04 < daja77> there is a Free-to-use license flag in desc files for stuff like that 22:06 < laga_> cya tomorrow, going to sleep :) 22:06 < daja77> n8 laga_ 22:08 < netrunner> ah, found OpenSource, fits best imho. 22:10 -!- laga_ [laga@p508AF854.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Type cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio to hear the Voice of God.") 22:11 < A-Tui> ops surprise in spanish elections!! :) 22:14 -!- sakatoon [~Bodo@dialin-212-144-018-121.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:16 < daja77> A-Tui: oh what? 22:16 < A-Tui> daja77, socialist are winning! 22:16 < daja77> how that 22:17 < A-Tui> daja77, a lot of participation in this election 22:17 < A-Tui> and spanish people did not belive aznar when he said that the other day attack was made by ETA 22:18 < daja77> nobody really beleived that 22:19 < A-Tui> daja77, sure, but our (ex)president try that 22:19 -!- sakatoon [~Bodo@dialin-145-254-078-074.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:20 < daja77> yeah i know 22:21 < A-Tui> and cantalan nacionalists have get a lot of support too 22:22 < daja77> seems to me that these bombings fulfilled their purpose ... 22:22 < A-Tui> i'm happy, no more fascist guiding us :) 22:22 < A-Tui> daja77, sure, socialist promised that they come back home spanish troops in iraq 22:23 < daja77> i doubt it 22:23 < A-Tui> daja77, the psoe's promise? 22:23 < daja77> yep 22:23 < A-Tui> mmm me too 22:25 < A-Tui> but i think psoe is a little more moderate than pp 22:32 < netrunner> hihi, I get anti-spam-detection-spam :) ".. Tired of your bulk marketing efforts being labeled as spam? .." 22:33 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has joined #rocklinux 22:35 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-161.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:42 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-134.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 22:42 < tfing> hi everybody 22:45 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9952.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:51 < A-Tui> daja77, now official, PSOE wins 22:54 < tfing> for the elections ? 22:54 < A-Tui> yes 22:54 < A-Tui> we have a new gov 22:54 < tfing> heard that a few minutes ago 22:55 < A-Tui> time for change :) 23:14 < cytrinox> gn8 23:53 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95F2C1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") --- Log closed Mon Mar 15 00:00:59 2004