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--- Log opened Wed Mar 17 00:00:28 2004 00:03 < jsaw> oh oh, gtk v2.4 arrived 00:04 < daja77> the cry of pain ;) 00:05 < jsaw> i scream silently... 00:05 < daja77> does anybody uses gnome still? 00:06 < jsaw> yep 01:01 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-214.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 01:02 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-5.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: esdentem 01:17 < esdentem> hi all 01:17 < esdentem> is anyone awake? 01:17 < daja77> yep me 01:17 < esdentem> hi daja77 01:17 < daja77> hi esden 01:17 < esdentem> do you perhups know what is going on with gnu.org? 01:18 < esdentem> I can not connect to it? ... can you take a look? 01:18 < esdentem> and I also have not found any evidence of this site being down on any news site 01:20 < daja77> can't connect too 01:20 < esdentem> hmm ... that is strange 01:20 < daja77> https://www.anvari.org/db/fun/Misc/Wish_You_Were_Here.gif 01:20 < esdentem> and noone reported about that yet? o_O 01:21 < daja77> should we? 01:21 < daja77> hmm it would be time to be onb /. again *ggg* 01:23 < esdentem> lol 01:23 < esdentem> daja77: yes we should 01:23 < esdentem> but I really do not know how to submit anything 01:27 < daja77> i'd know, but i have to pack my stzuff for cebit 01:28 < esdentem> you are going there? 01:28 < esdentem> have fun 01:28 < daja77> yep rocklinux booth 01:29 < esdentem> ohh really? O_o 01:29 < esdentem> did not know about that .. 01:29 < esdentem> I really should read my mail more regularly 01:30 < esdentem> what is the status of 2.0 tree sbtw? 01:30 < daja77> yep we can present rock on linux new media's openbooth on thursday and friday 01:30 < daja77> 2.0.0 was released on chemnitzer linuxtag 01:30 < daja77> 2.0.1 will be released on cebit 01:31 < esdentem> cool 01:31 < daja77> yep 01:34 < mistik1> wow 01:34 < mistik1> congrats guys 01:34 < esdentem> hi mistik1 01:34 < mistik1> on the 2.0 release I mean 01:35 < daja77> hi mistik1 01:35 < mistik1> hey 01:36 < mistik1> looks like i'll have to get off my arse and start looking into doing a target with rock 01:37 < daja77> :) 01:37 < daja77> which target you want to make? 01:38 < mistik1> It'll be for a project I was recently asked to join, an embedded firewall solution 01:38 < mistik1> a for profit project 01:38 < daja77> np with that 01:39 < mistik1> The proposal is that they make the sales they send me the hardware I load it and configure it, I manage and push updates to them on a fee basis 01:40 < daja77> ;) 01:40 < mistik1> I donno what method i'll use for updating just yet though 01:40 < daja77> mine -i *ggg* 01:41 < mistik1> hmmmmm 01:41 < mistik1> I'm thinking or more of an image type thing 01:41 < daja77> or that 01:41 < mistik1> something I can rsync minus configs 01:42 < mistik1> more in the form of a firmware updater 01:43 < mistik1> https://www.acrosser.com/firewall/product/9926.htm#Overview <-- one of the Proposed hardware options 01:57 < daja77> n8 02:01 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Satanás, el infierno es demasiado dulce!") 02:37 < esdentem> n8 02:38 -!- esdentem [~esdentem@twoflower.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit ("leaving") 02:42 -!- shiny [~vega@p5081153F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:03 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:03 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FB72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.) 03:03 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 03:41 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD9502DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:57 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:02 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p50802344.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:16 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p508024A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:44 -!- daja77 [[WUgZ0t4nN@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:44 -!- ija [[I8xkxZs30@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:00 -!- daja77 [[eyzHnyYa4@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:11 -!- Nebukadneza` [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-058-125.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:17 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-077-015.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:52 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has joined #rocklinux 07:52 < Baldzius> moin 07:53 < Baldzius> what is the point of Create-UpdList ? :) 08:22 < rxr> re 08:22 < rxr> Baldzius: helper script for Update-System 08:23 < daja77> moin rxr 08:28 < netrunne1> moin * 08:28 < fake> moin 08:28 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 08:29 < blindy> moin moin 08:30 < netrunner> https://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/36274.html 08:30 < netrunner> https://vivien.franken.de/images/geeky/geek.jpg 08:32 < Baldzius> rxr, so before Update-System i should run Create-UpdList? 08:33 < rxr> Baldzius: nope - it is run by Update-System internally 08:34 < Baldzius> but why then Update-System script installs new packages instead only upgrading existing ones? 08:46 < blindy> dependencies 08:50 < Baldzius> think so 08:50 < Baldzius> hm 08:59 < blindy> hmm 08:59 < blindy> I'm off to the gym now 08:59 < blindy> bye 09:13 -!- ija [[XF5hpuJSh@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:19 < rxr> Baldzius: IIRC it has a switch for this 09:21 < rxr> Baldzius: ok there is not - you can fill a bug report into flyspray 09:22 < rxr> www.rocklinux.net/flyspray 09:22 < rxr> this needs to be fixed 09:29 < rxr> this damn debian installer got on /. 09:30 < rxr> when two (ye, two) high quality ROCK Linux news submissions have been rejected 09:36 < netrunner> https://www.winethirty.com/default.aspx?document=125 09:48 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.160.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:48 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.169.62.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:11 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p508BB453.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:18 < Baldzius> as always i have stupid questions, how can i see what Update-System is going to do -> update maybe some packages install for dependecies, is there some kind of option like in gentoo as pretend 10:18 < Baldzius> huh? :) 10:27 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p508BAEB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:35 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD9502DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ze űda brí-tenkoR") 10:35 < rxr> cu 10:50 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD9502DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:26 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-062-136.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:27 < netrunner> *g* https://bash.org/?244321 11:29 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-062-072.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:29 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 11:30 < clifford> netrunner: *rotfl* 11:36 < fake> hi clifford! 11:38 < clifford> hi fake. 11:49 * fake thinks with 400GB drives the current sotrage technology is no longer appropiate 11:49 < fake> *storage 11:50 < fake> deleting should be ridicolous 11:59 < fake> data should be 'forgotten' based on priorities 12:00 < fake> so only important data stays in long-term storage 12:01 < netrunner> fake: people tend to forget their data anyway :) 12:01 < fake> yeah, and nobody can 'delete' memories, the concept of 'deleting' is completely artificial 12:05 < netrunner> fake: don't think so. the more stuff you have there, the more you have to search through to find what you want. 12:12 < jsaw_> rehi 12:13 < jsaw_> fake: not quite true. The dream process is the best repartition, compressing and deletion algorithm. 12:23 -!- A-Tui [~aitor@cable74a018.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 12:27 < clifford> "Hey! Are you sleeping!?" - "No, I'm just running my garbage collector.." ;-) 12:32 < fake> is ipsec-tools base? 12:33 < fake> or fake ? 12:44 -!- t3k|mobile [~k3t@pD9502DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:55 < jsaw_> clifford: :) 13:03 < darix> moin clifford 13:09 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.135.27.69] has joined #rocklinux 13:28 < blindy> rehi 13:41 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:56 < darix> https://monsters.rsn.uni-rostock.de/repositories/irssi/trunk/www.irssi.de/ 14:07 -!- laga [laga@p508AEA74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:10 < laga> re 14:10 -!- laga is now known as laga_ 14:10 < netrunner> hi lagaunderscore 14:11 < laga_> hi netrunnernothing 14:11 < laga_> it's because "this nick is owned by someone else" :) 14:12 < netrunner> the someone else will kick you if he finds out :) 14:12 * netrunner registered his nick once, forgot the pass and since then waits for the nick to expire. 14:13 < laga_> hehe :) 14:14 < laga_> ok, trying to get cpufreq to work, day #2.. :( 14:16 < blindy> sigh 14:16 * blindy booting Windows to be able to register at Palm to be able to download the Linux Source of POSE 14:17 < laga_> have fun. i've just got a kernel panic, i hate this cpufreq stuff. 14:18 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.135.27.69] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:22 -!- Baldzius [~user@213.226.136.82] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:35 < rolla> re 14:38 < cytrinox`> moin 14:39 < laga_> moin 14:41 < rolla> apache_king? 14:48 < netrunner> burger_king? 14:55 -!- laga__ [laga@p508ADDAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:56 < laga__> re. i hate this disconnect every 24h 14:56 < netrunner> hm, haven't I submitted bacula? 15:01 < rolla> netrunner: have you seen holyoli? 15:12 -!- laga_ [laga@p508AEA74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:19 * A-Tui is away: comiendo[...] 15:25 < netrunner> rolla: rl: never irc: long ago (not in my lastlog) 15:29 < fake> SeenServ(SeenServ@services.)- I last saw holyolli (~holyolli@rossini.marcant.net) 2d 53m 16s ago, quiting: Client Quit 15:45 < rolla> dang 15:54 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9E8F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:07 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9502DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:15 * A-Tui is back (gone 01:55:15) 17:23 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ija, th, rxr 17:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 17:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ija, th 17:48 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.208] has joined #rocklinux 18:22 < netrunner> what means "rosegardensequencer: relocation error: rosegardensequencer: undefined symbol: _ZN10Rosegarden8RealTimeC1Ell" ? 18:23 < darix> netrunner: it misses some c++ symbol 18:23 < darix> maybe some .o files wasnt linked 18:24 < netrunner> hm, trying to rebuild that ...ap 18:25 < darix> netrunner: try gcc docs to find out what function it was. :) 18:25 -!- shiny [~vega@pD9560F5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:26 < netrunner> darix: should be a symbol inside rosegarden. ... I think I have no time for debugging today :( 18:28 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.208] has quit (Broken pipe) 18:32 < fake> Cxitpla fxe hxemj xeg pxa gx cxort gpqc xmt, 18:32 < fake> keg mxa at aqoo bptbn qh fxe nmxa gpt bxoxezc. 18:32 < fake> Apsg bxoxez qc gpt ksbnlzxemj xh gpqc vslt? 18:33 < fake> what F*** is the algorithm... 18:34 * fake tried simple rotX, cumultative rotX, cumultative rotX / word, step-based-rot-X (+ /word), logarythmic rotX... 18:34 < fake> lexical analysis quite useless... 18:35 < netrunner> fake: where does it come from? 18:35 < fake> netrunner: some hackit 18:35 < fake> it's the damn last level 18:36 < fake> and i am biting on it since an hour... 18:36 < fake> bxoxezc... 18:37 < fake> is usable with and without c... 18:37 * fake needs a break 18:42 -!- nookie [~nookie@M342P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 < fake> i have it 19:41 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.208] has joined #rocklinux 19:48 -!- nookie [~nookie@M342P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Lost terminal") 19:51 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95F2C47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:22 < rxr> rehi 20:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fake 20:25 -!- Netsplit wells.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: darix 20:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: darix 20:34 < rolla> re all 20:34 < rolla> rxr you here? 20:57 < rxr> yes - fixing libtool problems 20:57 < rolla> does rock support AMD64 yet? 20:58 < rxr> it should (according to Clifford) but my last reference build was not that successful .. 20:58 < rolla> okay 21:08 < rxr> but now I'm off again - cu 21:09 < rolla> bye 21:21 -!- aXp [aXp@dsl-wien1-32-225.utaonline.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:21 < aXp> hi 21:21 < aXp> how are packages maintained in rocklinux ? 21:25 < fake> what do you mean by 'maintained'? 21:25 < fake> updated? created? 21:31 < blindy> they are maintaned very good :) 21:40 < fake> ... if at all ;P 21:40 -!- sssssss [~Droot@203.175.64.72] has joined #rocklinux 21:41 -!- Droot [~Droot@203.175.64.208] has quit (Connection timed out) 21:41 < blindy> fake: psst 22:03 -!- cytrinox` [~dj-nail2@p213.54.160.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:04 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.160.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:06 -!- laga_ [laga@p508AFBFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:06 < netrunner> maintained packages are maintained by their maintainer. unmaintained ones by other maintainers. sometimes. 22:06 * netrunner heating the iron 22:07 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.160.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:08 -!- cytrinox [~dj-nail2@p213.54.160.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:15 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 22:16 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:16 < aXp> i want to know which packaging system deb rpm or build from source ?? 22:17 * A-Tui is away: [...] 22:17 < laga_> *.gem? 22:20 -!- laga__ [laga@p508ADDAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:30 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:32 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@IP-213157005082.dialin.heagmedianet.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:32 < dreamind> Hi 22:32 < laga_> hi 22:32 < dreamind> can anybody help me, I'm looking for some information about linux distributions for embedded systems... 22:33 < dreamind> I could roll out my own build one with dietlibc and gpe and such, but it would be fine to have one wich is already tested and such 22:33 < laga_> i'm sorry, i'm using only x86 hardware packaged in big towers :) 22:34 < dreamind> well ok ;) 22:35 < dreamind> I'm looking for two things, first a nicer distribution for my ipaq and second a distribution for the XXS which we plan to use as router... 22:36 < dreamind> xxs = amd alchemy based *really* small computer, drains about 5w 22:38 -!- laga_ [laga@p508AFBFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:42 < darix> dreamind: rocklinux has dietlibc support. 22:48 < dreamind> darix: well, that only helps a bit, I still need support for (for example) a small xserver and such 22:48 < dreamind> or for opie perhaps (if I really want that) 22:49 < darix> dreamind: i want an apache module for handle usb tokens ;) 22:51 < dreamind> huh? 22:52 < darix> dreamind: put usb token in my keyboard -> get authed to my site ;) 23:02 < dreamind> should already be possible 23:02 < dreamind> with a "strange" combination of existing things: 23:02 < dreamind> pam -> kerberos -> apache_mod_auth_pam (or is there a kerberos auth module for apache?) 23:03 < dreamind> (if there is pam support for your usb token) 23:23 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:23 < MadTux> moin 23:24 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit (Client Quit) 23:53 < netrunner> damnit, I did a svn diff in my playground, and find package updates and don't know If I sent them. I have these deja vue's :/ 23:56 < netrunner> I now just take my submaster-tree as rationale, please comment if I send duplicates. 23:57 -!- sssssss [~Droot@203.175.64.72] has quit (Client Quit) 23:58 < darix> netrunner: shouldnt a sync with the official tree tell you if you sent them? --- Log closed Thu Mar 18 00:00:42 2004