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--- Log opened Mon Apr 19 00:00:17 2004 00:59 ::: Pupeno!~Give@host90.200-117-206.telecom.net.ar has joined: #rocklinux 01:00 < Pupeno> hi... I was wondering, how well suited is rock linux to build a user friendly distribution on top of it/based on it (I didn't have contact with Rock Linux yet). What I'd need to have is a nice set of packaged software to be installed with a nice graphical too (I'll code that) as well as a nice installer. 01:10 < Pupeno> nobody here ? 01:40 ::: snyke!~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de has quit: Remote closed the connection 02:16 ::: bluefire!bluefire@pD9E1C10D.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "leaving" 02:20 ::: praenti!~praenti@mail.obster.org has quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 02:28 < mnemoc> Pupeno: that's the purpose of RockLinux :) 03:53 ::: BoS^awk!~bodo@dialin-212-144-019-127.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 04:04 ::: BoS^awk_!~bodo@dialin-145-254-075-139.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 04:07 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M292P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 04:14 ::: nookie!~nookie@M242P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 04:17 < Pupeno> mnemoc: ok, I'll give it a try tomorrow. 04:17 < mnemoc> you need to create a 'target' 04:18 < mnemoc> that target can hack everything in your build process 04:20 < Pupeno> mnemoc: what I'm most intrested, is there a nice packaging system ? 04:20 < mnemoc> .gem 04:21 < mnemoc> and `mine` tool to handle them 04:21 < Pupeno> gem ? 04:53 < mnemoc> rock's propietary file format 04:53 < mnemoc> tar.bz2 + metadata 04:53 < mnemoc> on a cdb file 06:44 ::: togg!~togg@pD9ED3A69.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 06:48 ::: togg!~togg@pD9E5B988.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 07:39 ::: BoS^awk is now known as BoS 09:23 ::: k3t_!k3t@pD9E8FC1B.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 09:37 ::: trekkie3k!k3t@pD9E8EF08.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Connection timed out --- Log opened Mon Apr 19 10:28:31 2004 10:28 ::: netrunner!~andreas@p50802AC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 10:28 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 10:28 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 10:28 Users #rocklinux: 10:28 [ _NULL_ ] [ daja77] [ Freak ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 10:28 [ Aard ] [ darix ] [ ija ] [ netcrow ] [ rxr ] [ togg] 10:28 [ blindy ] [ dex ] [ k3t_ ] [ netrunner] [ SMP ] [ true] 10:28 [ BoS ] [ dsoul ] [ luckz ] [ nookie_ ] [ StefanG] 10:28 [ clifford] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ Pupeno ] [ tfing ] 10:28 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 28 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 10:28 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 10:28 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 1 secs 10:28 ::: [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 10:28 < netrunner> moin 10:52 ::: aloliver!~aloliver@fwrai.usc.es has joined: #rocklinux 10:52 < aloliver> hello 10:52 < aloliver> may someone tell me how to make my rocklinux start with X? 10:53 < aloliver> does anyone read me? 10:56 < BoS> change the runlevel from2 to 5 10:56 < aloliver> i tried but didnt work :( 10:56 < BoS> error msg? 10:57 < aloliver> no error message 10:57 < aloliver> just start normally 10:57 < aloliver> i tried runlevels 2,3,4,5 but no change 10:58 ::: aloliver!~aloliver@fwrai.usc.es has quit: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.4" 11:06 < netrunner> hm, maybe he should configure his X ... 11:07 < BoS> maybe - he dosn`t write it about his configure 11:20 * netrunner would like to know why his X dies after some time with xscreensaver :/ 11:20 < BoS> *gg* 11:36 < netrunner> very funny. 11:46 < rxr> re 11:46 < daja77> hi rxr 11:46 < rxr> netrunner: a open-gl screensaver? 11:47 < netrunner> rxr: no idea. just when I come back after a while, I see the console and cannot type any more. 11:47 < netrunner> the update I commited didn't help 11:48 < netrunner> Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting 11:53 ::: k3t_!k3t@pD9E8FC1B.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 11:53 ::: trekkie3k!k3t@pD9E8FC1B.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 12:06 < rxr> netrunner: you should find out if it is 3d related - many DRI/DRM combinations are not stable enough for some load-cases .... 12:06 ::: nookie!~nookie@M373P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 12:14 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M292P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 12:39 < netrunner> rxr: good point, seemed to be the GLEidoscope, other GL things work. 14:00 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9C50.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 14:04 ::: tfing_!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-92.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has joined: #rocklinux 14:12 ::: togg!~togg@pD9E5B988.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) 14:26 ::: tfing!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-122.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 14:26 ::: tfing_ is now known as tfing 14:34 < rolla> re 14:44 < rxr> hi rolla 14:51 ::: Ankur!~Ankur@61.16.237.64 has joined: #rocklinux 14:58 ::: Ankur!~Ankur@61.16.237.64 has quit: Client Quit 15:20 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EA9C50.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 15:30 < netrunner> damn, there seems to be another module that crashes it. now that I am at uni, my builder is offline again :( 15:32 < daja77> hm? 15:32 < daja77> ah the X thing 15:32 < netrunner> xscreensaver makes higher level functions cease. it still responds to pings, but cannot ssh there any more. 15:32 < daja77> netrunner: btw do you have a precomiled hppa kernel with nfs suppor? 15:33 < netrunner> nope. cannot do anything when my build server always dies :( 15:33 < daja77> why you use that screensavers anyway 15:33 < netrunner> it is enabled by default in xfce 15:33 < daja77> ugh 15:33 < daja77> what graphics driver you are using 15:34 < netrunner> cannot check :) 15:34 < daja77> :) 15:35 < daja77> that "nice" debian kernel ships without nfs support *grml* 15:35 < netrunner> hm, this prof uses some pad thing to write on it. 15:35 < netrunner> daja77: maybe it does not work ;) 15:36 < daja77> i hvae no idea how i should do that port thing without nfs 15:36 < daja77> and no smb isn't included as well 15:39 ::: bluefire!bluefire@pD95F2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 15:40 < _NULL_> moin 15:40 < _NULL_> someone wants to laugh? 15:42 < netrunner> moin 0, since when do you care about laughter? 15:43 < _NULL_> hmm. dunno. today i just had a very amusing "date" with a psychiatrist... 15:43 < netrunner> did he feel attracted to you? 15:44 < _NULL_> nah. date as in meeting/treffen/termin 15:44 < netrunner> ;) 15:44 < _NULL_> he told me, that the evil voices from inside me (i never had such things), are caused by an alien which is inside me and this alien tells me that "life has no sense" and such crap 15:45 < _NULL_> !!! *roflmao* after that i was only laughing! 15:45 < daja77> you bear an alien, I knew it 15:45 * daja77 hides 15:46 < _NULL_> hehe.. sure :p 15:46 * _NULL_ whispers to her alien to hit daja77 :p 15:46 * daja77 whistles to owl's alien to hit her back 15:47 < _NULL_> pfff. *kick* :p 15:47 < daja77> :) 15:48 < _NULL_> how are you? 15:48 < netrunner> round. 15:48 < daja77> feeling great thx 15:48 < netrunner> :) 15:48 < daja77> netrunner: eat too much? 15:48 * netrunner listening to a boring introduction of the lecture "distributed applications" 15:49 < netrunner> daja77: my gf told me so yesterday. cannot see what she meant though :/ 15:49 < daja77> *headsahke* bavarians *ggg* 15:49 < _NULL_> O_o netrunner and fat? aeh?!!! 15:49 < _NULL_> netrunner: enjoy it 15:50 < netrunner> 0: you do not know me, you cannot judge :) 15:50 < daja77> girls always tell you things like that 15:50 < netrunner> daja77: yeah, think so too. but she want's to cut sweets consumption 15:50 < _NULL_> netrunner: but i saw a photo some time ago 15:50 < _NULL_> daja77: eh, not true! 15:51 < daja77> _NULL_: not? 15:51 < _NULL_> daja77: not. at least /me not (cause my bf's weight is very low) 15:58 * netrunner mirroring cygwin release. stupid that they do not have a 'latest' download-utility for linux 16:04 ::: BoS_!~bodo@dialin-145-254-078-128.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:17 ::: BoS!~bodo@dialin-212-144-019-127.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 16:45 < netrunner> oh, xorg also switched to xorg 16:45 < netrunner> uh, cygwin I mean. 16:50 < mnemoc> moin 17:08 < blindy> moin 17:13 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 17:24 ::: blindcoder!~blindcode@p548039EE.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 17:24 ::: blindy!~blindcode@pD958F126.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Nick collision from services. 17:24 ::: blindcoder is now known as blindy 17:27 < mnemoc> moin blindy, netrunner 17:34 < rxr> hi mnemoc 17:36 ::: christian_!~christian@pD9E3964B.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 17:42 < blindy> ok, RAID patch sent 17:44 < netrunner> when I smap'ed many patches, how can I see which I had? so I can send a test-report 17:47 < mnemoc> hi rxr 17:47 < daja77> you could keep that webpage with tat collection ^^ 18:28 < rolla> anyone seen Mike? 18:28 ::: dex!foo@201.130.232.217 has quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 18:29 ::: dex!foo@201.130.232.217 has joined: #rocklinux 18:33 < daja77> rolla: yep yesterday, he is off for aconference now 18:33 < rolla> ah okay 18:33 < daja77> giving a rocklinux speech there 18:49 < christian_> hi daja77 :) 18:49 < christian_> was mike at the ccc meeting in december? 18:50 ::: christian_ is now known as ChristianQt 19:08 < rxr> hi ChristianQt 19:31 ::: Lorini!~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de has joined: #rocklinux 19:46 < rxr> ChristianQt: nope mike was not there :-( 19:48 ::: dex!foo@201.130.232.217 has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 19:50 ::: EyeQ_!~jsysy@194.126.137.180 has joined: #rocklinux 19:51 < daja77> w 19:51 < daja77> damn 19:52 < netrunner> daja77: did I send you the slides stuff from easterhegg? 19:52 ::: EyeQ_!~jsysy@194.126.137.180 has quit: Remote closed the connection 19:53 < daja77> nope you didn't 19:57 < netrunner> hm, at least I wanted to, they are already on https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/index.html 19:57 * netrunner building ROCKuml 19:59 < daja77> ah cool thx 20:07 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M260P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 20:08 < ChristianQt> rxr, thanks 20:08 < ChristianQt> rxr have you got his emailaddress? 20:09 < rxr> ChristianQt: I would need to look it up - you should also find one in the developers gallery on the hp 20:09 < ChristianQt> rxr - ah okay thanks i will have a look 20:09 < ChristianQt> rxr - how's the ui installation going on` 20:11 < rxr> oehm - not yet started - too much other stuff 20:12 < ChristianQt> rxr - ah oki. :) 20:13 < daja77> rxr: any voip news?= 20:13 < rxr> daja77: no - I got no further mail back 20:14 < daja77> hm 20:14 < rxr> du hast the fwd's bekommen= 20:14 < rxr> ? even 20:14 < daja77> yep 20:15 < ChristianQt> there was an discussion on the mailinglist about changing the name... what about this? 20:15 < rxr> oh - sorry back en 20:15 < rxr> ChristianQt: not yet important - since no Hurd/ObenBSD stuff done 20:15 < rxr> daja77: have you wrote them your resume? 20:24 ::: nookie!~nookie@M373P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Connection timed out 20:33 < netrunner> hehe patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. 20:33 < daja77> netrunner: cksum patch stuff?= 20:34 < netrunner> tried to smap 2004041909283509504 ... not so urgent ;) 20:35 ::: kasc!~kasc@c-180-170-40.l.dial.de.ignite.net has joined: #rocklinux 20:36 < netrunner> ah, no , I accidentally hit # at the end of the number ;) 20:47 ::: kasc!~kasc@c-180-170-40.l.dial.de.ignite.net has quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:54 ::: Lorini!~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de has left #rocklinux: "Irre explodieren nicht, wenn das Sonnenlicht sie trifft, ganz egal, wie irre sie sind." 20:54 < netrunner> oh, cool, uml kernel finished. 20:55 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB706.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 20:59 < netrunner> hm, now only create a root_fs from the build/uml ... 21:05 ::: bluefire!bluefire@pD95F2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "leaving" 21:17 < netrunner> oh, ebay.* offline? 21:17 ::: ChristianQt!~christian@pD9E3964B.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: "Leaving" 21:20 ::: valentin!~valentin@port-212-202-41-96.reverse.qsc.de has joined: #rocklinux 21:20 < valentin> hi 21:21 < daja77> kde 3.2.2 is out ^^ 21:23 < rxr> yes, saw this 21:23 < rxr> hi valentin 21:24 < daja77> hi valentin 21:24 < valentin> hi 21:28 ::: dex!foo@201.130.210.0 has joined: #rocklinux 21:28 < rxr> hi dex 21:54 < netrunner> I need a workaround for uml _if_ the host running the uml is 2.6 and the uml is 2.4. so how to do this? `uname -r` in build script? config option? 21:56 < rxr> netrunner: depends 21:56 < rxr> what kind of work around? 21:57 < netrunner> kernel patch 21:57 < rxr> and it does only need to be applied for this combination? 22:02 < netrunner> jup, at least as far as I read. but I'll try if it has impact on a 2.4->2.4 situation. 22:02 < netrunner> is anybody else working on an uml target btw? 22:03 < daja77> hm is there no patch for 2.4.26 available or am I just blind 22:03 < netrunner> no. but the old still applies. 22:04 < daja77> hm? 22:04 < netrunner> daja77: are we talking about the same subject? ;) 22:04 < daja77> dunno 22:08 < netrunner> uml? 22:08 < daja77> no 22:08 < netrunner> so what patch do you need? 22:08 < daja77> just kernel update due security problems 22:08 < netrunner> oh, I wanted to build one but forgot :/ 22:08 < netrunner> do you or shall I? 22:09 < rxr> cu later 22:09 < daja77> i could do that, just have to wait for that download a bit longer, but doesn't matter 22:09 < daja77> cu rxr 22:09 < netrunner> cu rxr 22:10 ::: dex!foo@201.130.210.0 has left #rocklinux: 22:11 < daja77> Downloading download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.26.tar.bz2 22:11 < daja77> k. let's give it a try 22:16 * netrunner has ROCKuml running. tadaaa :) 22:16 < daja77> :) 22:16 < netrunner> daja77: oh, stop. I remember darkly a patch that refuses to apply 22:17 < netrunner> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file arch/sparc64/defconfig.rej 22:17 < daja77> so i should delete that patch? 22:17 < netrunner> /usr/src/rock-trunk/package/base/linux24/06-devfs-default.patch 22:17 < netrunner> better not, name looks important :) 22:17 < netrunner> I haven't continued from there. 22:18 < daja77> ah that one should be easy to rediff 22:19 < daja77> it is just switching devfs on in config files 22:19 < netrunner> ah ok. 22:27 < _NULL_> remoin 22:30 ::: kasc!~kasc@c-180-209-168.cvx-l.dial.de.ignite.net has joined: #rocklinux 22:30 ::: kasc!~kasc@c-180-209-168.cvx-l.dial.de.ignite.net has left #rocklinux: 22:35 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB706.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 22:36 < darix> is there a howto build without root? 22:36 < daja77> no because it is not pssible atm 22:40 < darix> daja77: what is missing? 22:40 < darix> or better 22:41 < darix> what parts do need root? 22:41 < SMP> the parts that install all root-owned or not root-owned files? 22:45 ::: [DaGuesT]!1000@ca-metz-6-163.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr has joined: #rocklinux 22:45 < darix> SMP: fakeroot package 22:45 < darix> or sudo 22:45 < [DaGuesT]> hello 22:45 < darix> SMP: and i an build rpms without need of root =) 22:45 < darix> even without sudo/fakeroot. 22:45 < SMP> sudo is not without root 22:45 < [DaGuesT]> is this true that rock linux is the "son" of slackware ? 22:46 < [DaGuesT]> (sorry for my english i'm french) 22:46 < darix> SMP: but it minimizes the time the build process doesnt run as root most of the time.. 22:46 < darix> [DaGuesT]: not really a usefull question 22:46 < daja77> darix: we know about falkeroot and it is on cliffords todo afaik, so be patient 22:47 < darix> what would be a son of a linux distribution. 22:47 < darix> daja77: im always patient. but do i know clifford's todo? do i really want to know it?=) 22:47 < [DaGuesT]> darix: i would say that slackware and rock have "similitudes" 22:48 < daja77> ROCKLinux is no derivate work of any linux distribution, so we are not the son of slackware :) 22:48 < daja77> darix: i told you because you don't know ... 22:48 < darix> daja77: it sounds so vorwurfsvoll :) 22:48 < [DaGuesT]> "similitudes":likenesses 22:49 < daja77> darix: no 22:49 < [DaGuesT]> ok so i will try rock linux as soon as possible , thanks a lot ,+ 22:49 < daja77> np 22:49 < darix> [DaGuesT]: than gentoo must be the daughter of slackware. but anyways the comparison sucks. :) 22:50 < [DaGuesT]> =) 22:50 < SMP> yeah, gentoo is the little, slutty daughter of slack. everyone f*cks with it 22:50 < SMP> <political_correctness> 22:50 < daja77> well speaking of afathers and sons is not so much unpoppular in computer science, so I don't have a problem saying things like that 22:51 < darix> SMP: it's very good in f*cking up ;) 22:51 < SMP> daja77: it's popular, not scientific ;) 22:52 ::: [DaGuesT]!1000@ca-metz-6-163.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr has quit: "KVIrc 3.0.0 "Awakening"" 22:52 < daja77> *gg* even science books refer to fathers and sons when talking about trees e.g. 22:53 < SMP> gee, how slow is this redhat.com mailing list thingie 22:55 < daja77> ah yes got no bugreports from rh this time 22:55 < Pupeno> hello 22:55 * Pupeno reads redhat and watches the channel name... *confused* 22:56 < daja77> adjust your hilights, man ;) 22:56 < Pupeno> just joking. 22:57 < daja77> *gg* 22:57 < Pupeno> I'm intrested in playing with making my own distro... and for that, I choosed Rock linux. 22:57 < daja77> good choice 22:58 < StefanG> hehe :) 23:26 < Pupeno> Is there documentation about the packaging system ? 23:27 < daja77> yes 23:29 < Pupeno> where ? 23:30 < daja77> what information do you want 23:31 < Pupeno> I'd like to know, in the end, how to make packages, but right now, how good it resolves dependencies. 23:31 < daja77> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch14.html#x53-11000014 23:31 < daja77> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch21.html#x95-17900021 23:32 < Pupeno> thanks :) 23:33 < Pupeno> Is there a nice re-usable installer ? or do I have to code one myself ? 23:33 < daja77> stone is what you are looking for 23:37 < Pupeno> ROCK aims to use as few patches on packages as possible. 23:37 * Pupeno grins 23:37 < daja77> ;) 23:38 ::: Aard!~bwachter@aardchat.net has quit: "leaving" 23:40 ::: Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Freak, trekkie3k, th, true, StefanG, rxr 23:42 ::: Netsplit over, joins: trekkie3k, true, StefanG, Freak, th, rxr 23:43 < Pupeno> reading the handbook I understand that this can be achieved: 23:44 < Pupeno> I can make another distro based on Rock and use all the same Rock packages (kernel, glibc, gcc, x, etc) except for a part where I need customization (kde and k applicaitons) ? 23:46 < daja77> archlinux, perhaps? --- Log closed Die Apr 20 00:00:32 2004