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--- Log opened Don Apr 22 00:00:27 2004 00:17 < rxr> rehi 00:18 < rxr> SMP: still around 00:33 ::: hannes_!~hannes@pD9E4D49C.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 00:38 < valentin> rxr: are you still 'here' ? 07:24 ::: netrunner!~andreas@p50803257.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rocklinux 07:24 ::: Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.0 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 07:24 ::: Topic set by SMP Mon Mar 8 01:33:41 2004 07:24 Users #rocklinux: 07:24 [ Aard ] [ darix] [ k3t__ ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] [ true ] 07:24 [ blindy ] [ dsoul] [ luckz ] [ netrunner] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 07:24 [ BoS ] [ fake ] [ mistik1] [ nookie ] [ tfing ] 07:24 [ clifford] [ Freak] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 07:24 [ daja77 ] [ ija ] [ nagi ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 07:24 ::: Irssi: #rocklinux: 27 nicks (@/0 +/0 -/0) 07:24 ::: Channel #rocklinux created Sun Aug 3 22:11:35 2003 07:24 ::: Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 07:46 ::: YDS!proxyuser@173-145.isdn-dsl.itte.kz has joined: #rocklinux 07:46 ::: YDS!proxyuser@173-145.isdn-dsl.itte.kz has quit: Remote closed the connection 08:28 ::: k3t__!k3t@pD9E8DBA6.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Read error: 113 (No route to host) 08:34 ::: q_a_z_steve!~knoppix@cpe-24-221-250-242.ut.sprintbbd.net has joined: #rocklinux 08:48 < netrunner> gcc 3.4 https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html 08:56 < netrunner> oh, cool. scripts/Cleanup does not unmount directories -> removal of build dir just wiped my tree :( 08:57 < netrunner> and my download dir :(( 09:03 < blindy> moin 09:04 < blindy> restore the backup :) 09:08 < netrunner> blindy: *kick* 09:08 < netrunner> I have a backup for hardware faults, not for stupid scripts. 09:08 < netrunner> I'll remove write access for my download dir. 09:18 < blindy> netrunner: what do you think about the RAID thing? 09:24 < blindy> d'oh 09:24 < netrunner> what raid thing? in stone? 09:24 < blindy> just saw that my smtpd didn't run since yesterday 09:24 < blindy> netrunner: yes 09:24 < netrunner> haven't looked at it. 09:25 < blindy> damn 09:33 < rxr> hi - moin all 09:33 < netrunner> hi rxr 09:34 < rxr> netrunner: please report this grave data loss problem to the list and CC clifford 09:35 < blindy> moin rxr 09:35 < q_a_z_steve> where can I find cheap linux cds? like $1??? 09:35 < q_a_z_steve> where can I find cheap linux cds? like $1??? 09:35 < blindy> buy CD-Rs, download ISOs, burn. 09:36 < q_a_z_steve> ha ha, try loading those on old systems... 09:37 < rxr> what have old systems to do with this 09:37 < rxr> my 40Mhz SPARC Station II likes such downloads ... 09:38 < blindy> rxr: you haven't by any chance already had a look at my RAID patch? 09:38 < q_a_z_steve> my compaq 4770 or something and my IBM aptiva don't. 09:38 ::: q_a_z_steve!~knoppix@cpe-24-221-250-242.ut.sprintbbd.net has left #rocklinux: "Leaving" 09:40 < rxr> blindy: no :-( 09:40 < blindy> damn 09:40 < blindy> I want to use something similiar in my course today and hoped for some feedback. 09:40 < blindy> Ah, alright then. Must work out as it is :) 09:44 < netrunner> hm, this also removed all my work for ROCKuml :( 10:07 < blindy> anyone here has experience with a spacemouse? 10:12 < rxr> no 10:15 < blindy> hmm 10:33 < daja77> netrunner: you could add this to my bug report 10:44 < valentin> moin 10:50 < daja77> nice, there is a speech about how to implement a spyware toolkit for win32, today at university 10:50 < daja77> moin valentin 10:58 < blindy> insert Windows CD - install - done 11:37 < th> anyone running accellerated X on epia with rock? 11:40 ::: BoS!~bodo@dialin-145-254-190-021.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 11:41 ::: BoS!~bodo@dialin-145-254-190-021.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 11:41 < daja77> blindy: i once used such thing with opengl, but that's all 12:09 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M276P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 12:13 < rxr> rehi 12:13 < rxr> hi valentin 12:14 < valentin> hi rene 12:26 ::: nookie!~nookie@M249P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 12:36 < nagi> moin 12:37 < rxr> moin nagi 12:37 < nagi> hi rxr 12:37 < valentin> hi 12:38 < nagi> hi valentin 12:39 < rxr> valentin: you got my ppc embedded patch? 12:39 < valentin> which one ? 12:39 < valentin> oh yes 12:39 < rxr> oehm - send this morning? 12:39 < rxr> sent even .. 12:40 < rxr> I hope it makes it into 2.6.6 final 12:40 < rxr> stupid convertion mistakes - seems not many people compile this code path ... 12:41 < valentin> Probably the kernel crew will reject it - due to a lack of cryptic hacks. 12:43 < rxr> yeak - like adding some macros to strip uneeded args away ... 12:43 < rxr> updated snd-powermac in kernel memory now - not yet crashed 12:44 < rxr> cool! works 12:44 < rxr> now ADC is enabled on the fly (as done int the ugly OSS driver)! 12:45 < rxr> I just forgot to update the user-space control - so it is not visible in the mixer - but this is easy ... 12:56 < rxr> hm 12:56 < rxr> not that easy - strange kernel code 12:57 < rxr> ah! 13:02 ::: nookie!~nookie@M276P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 13:12 < rxr> hm - getting this control changed withint the kernel toook the most time in this kernel modification ... 13:12 < rxr> damn C hacks ... 13:18 < rxr> cool works 13:18 < rxr> valentin: wanna test the patch 13:18 < rxr> I still need to fix the first init 13:18 < rxr> but headphone plugging around now works 13:19 < rxr> and in addition toggles the DRC swtich 13:19 < rxr> (if the headphone detection is enabled) 13:19 < rxr> (in fact called auto mute ...) 13:20 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M276P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 13:23 < valentin> rxr:just send me the patch 13:30 < rxr> test 13:32 < rxr> valentin: when I'm at this ALSA beast - what problems do you remember in the driver I could fix now| 13:32 < rxr> ? 13:34 < valentin> wakeup mixer settings, smarter behavior when pluging/unpluging headphone jack 13:34 < rxr> the smarter behavior is fixed 13:34 < rxr> with my patch 13:34 < valentin> alsamixer reacts ? 13:35 < rxr> sure 13:35 < valentin> c00l 13:35 < rxr> hm - for me sleep / resuem just wors 13:35 < rxr> worked 13:35 < rxr> please report if this still happens 13:35 < rxr> hm wait 13:35 < rxr> I have errors in my syslog ... 13:40 < rxr> just as notice - I log the channel now - so we have it for the homepage again ... 13:46 < blindy> good ^_^ 13:47 < valentin> so be careful what you say. 13:47 < blindy> ehm... I've always been faster in typing than thinking so this might be a little problem... 13:48 < valentin> on the other hand - logs of pointless discussions on random topics help goolge-bombing our sites ;) 13:53 < rxr> yes - this is why we have them 13:54 < valentin> hm. alsa-driver compiled. 13:55 < valentin> rxr: to this point your patch works. 14:03 * valentin off for some pizza 14:04 ::: tfing_!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-222.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has joined: #rocklinux 14:04 < rxr> valentin: TK ? 14:05 < valentin> rxr: yes 14:15 < valentin> finished pizza, still hungry... 14:17 < rxr> hm - I need also some food ... 14:17 < valentin> rxr: aftersome problems reprobing my modules playback works as usual - mixer settings were not recoverable because there was a control name mismatch for channel #8 (DRC Switch/DRC Range) 14:22 ::: tfing!~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-137.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 14:22 ::: tfing_ is now known as tfing 14:24 < valentin> --- human/powersupply/stomach.c2003-09-25 20:55:43.000000000 +0200 14:24 < valentin> +++ human/powersupply/stomach.c2004-04-22 12:02:49.000000000 +0200 14:24 < valentin> if (empty) 14:24 < valentin> - send_msg("/dev/brain", "hunger"); 14:24 < valentin> + set_sig_ignore(SIG_WARN_LOWPOWER); 14:25 < StefanG> lol :) 14:26 < valentin> then we still need to patch away form life.c "if (power == 0) -> exit (-1);: 14:27 < rxr> ,) 14:34 < netrunner> wee, I found an old version of my uml target in another dir ;) 14:34 < netrunner> always good to have more test trees :) 14:35 < rxr> pcm.!default { 14:35 < rxr> type plug 14:35 < rxr> slave.pcm "dmixer" 14:35 < rxr> } 14:35 < rxr> sorry I slipped on my touchpad 14:35 < valentin> hm ? 14:36 < valentin> rxr: is this supposed to be "C" ? 14:36 < rxr> nope 14:36 < th> reads like alsa conf 14:36 < th> or sorta 14:36 < rxr> asoundrc fluff 14:36 < th> gotcha ;) 14:36 < SMP> th: read mail ... 14:36 < th> SMP: at once 14:37 < SMP> and switch on Jabber ;) 14:37 < th> SMP: aye 14:39 < rxr> cool! 14:42 < rxr> oh my god this damn C crap: 14:42 < rxr> $ ogg123 /home/new-mp3/Pink/track01.cdda.ogg --device=wav 14:42 < rxr> Audio Device: WAV file output 14:42 < rxr> Playing: /home/new-mp3/Pink/track01.cdda.ogg 14:42 < rxr> Error: wav requires an output filename to be specified with -f. 14:42 < rxr> Segmentation fault (core dumped) 14:42 < daja77> O_o 14:42 < rxr> valentin: I know have software mixed streams on my iBook 14:42 < valentin> know or now ? 14:42 < rxr> + the correctly converted sample rate == correct play speed in xms 14:43 < rxr> now 14:45 < rxr> ok - now when ALSA is workig so good on my iBook I can go and grab some food - cu 14:46 < daja77> wow only one build error so far and that's just a build order problem 14:46 < daja77> cu rxr 14:46 < rxr> daja77: trunk oder 2.0.1 ? 14:46 < daja77> trunk + submaster patches 14:46 < daja77> selected submaster patches 14:47 < rxr> ok - cu 15:28 < netrunner> alias rm="mkdir -p /tmp/trash; mv -v $* /tmp/trash/" 16:08 ::: BoS!~bodo@dialin-145-254-190-021.arcor-ip.net has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 16:11 ::: BoS!~bodo@dialin-145-254-190-242.arcor-ip.net has joined: #rocklinux 16:41 ::: jsaw!~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de has joined: #rocklinux 16:41 ::: jsaw!~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de has quit: Client Quit 16:54 ::: jsaw!~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de has joined: #rocklinux 16:58 < rxr> hi jsaw 17:07 * netrunner is not sure if that join was caused by user action ;) 17:07 < mnemoc> moin 17:07 < netrunner> this one was. moin mnemoc :) 17:08 < mnemoc> :) 17:08 < mnemoc> (what a cute google logo) 17:08 < daja77> hi mnemoc 17:08 < mnemoc> happy earth day daja77 17:09 < daja77> thx 17:09 < netrunner> what is earth day? 17:09 < mnemoc> today is earth birthday :) 17:09 < daja77> O_o 17:09 < daja77> how old? 17:09 < mnemoc> she doesn't wanna tell 17:10 < daja77> women ... 17:11 < mnemoc> women :\ 17:11 < daja77> you have lots of them ^^ 17:12 < mnemoc> hell yeah =) 17:12 < mnemoc> 4 17:12 < netrunner> hm? polygamic? 17:12 < daja77> 4? 17:12 < mnemoc> wife + 2xdaughters + female dog 17:12 < daja77> lol 17:12 < mnemoc> mother + 2 sisters 17:13 < mnemoc> mother of my wife and 4 sisters of my wife 17:13 < mnemoc> lots of them 17:13 < netrunner> mnemoc: already found a nerd for your doughters? ;) 17:13 < mnemoc> they are too young for that 17:13 < rxr> netrunner: you have one ... 17:14 < daja77> to create more 17:14 * daja77 hide 17:14 < daja77> +s 17:14 < mnemoc> O_o 17:15 < daja77> .oO (forking) 17:18 < netrunner> rxr: didn't want to apply, long distance relations don't work. 17:18 < daja77> long distance, huh? 17:18 < mnemoc> huh? 17:18 * netrunner updating tree on $biglaptop to pull all sources at uni tonight. 17:19 < daja77> ah yes you joined the club of repository removers :\ 17:21 < netrunner> apply for your doughters :) to far away 17:21 < daja77> they are kids! 17:22 < mnemoc> i has thinking in SMP's hashed download dir, isn't it better to use two levels of hashing insteasd of one? a/alsa-blah.tar.bz2 vs. a/al/alsa-blah.tar.bz2 ? 17:22 < netrunner> it was a joke several lines ago. 17:22 < netrunner> I do not know them, nor (did) I know their age 17:22 < mnemoc> late-joking 17:22 < netrunner> arg 17:23 * netrunner testing his new headphone 17:38 * netrunner driving to uni fetching download/ 17:48 < rolla> re 17:49 < rxr> oehm - just found a unnice svn behaviour 17:50 < daja77> which 17:50 < rxr> svn mv 1 2 17:50 < rxr> vi 2 17:50 < rxr> svn diff 17:51 < rxr> just shows the modifications made by vi 17:51 < rxr> this sucks for passing patches arround - and I guess will be a problem for submaster 17:53 < mnemoc> svn diff should show 'meta diff' info too 17:53 < mnemoc> like renames and permission changes 17:58 < rxr> yes sure 17:58 < rxr> I pointed the svn crew to this months ago 17:59 < rxr> they have in on the todo list for 1.1 or the next free minute ... 18:01 * mnemoc kicks darix 18:22 ::: blindcoder!~blindcode@pD9E4FC97.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 18:22 ::: blindy!~blindcode@pD958F7BE.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Nick collision from services. 18:22 ::: blindcoder is now known as blindy 19:01 ::: Pupeno!~Give@host90.200-117-206.telecom.net.ar has joined: #rocklinux 19:01 < Pupeno> doesn't rocklinux offer the UTF-8 locales ? 19:12 < rxr> it should 19:16 < SMP> Pupeno: what's missing? 19:27 < Pupeno> after installing the whole system, it asks me for the locale, en_US.UTF-8 is not listed (or I couldn't find it) 19:27 < rxr> hm - maybe the STONE list does not include it ... 19:27 < SMP> yes, the stone module lacks it 19:28 < SMP> just set in in /etc/profile.d/locale 19:28 < Pupeno> err... what tool is now used to update my system ? 19:28 < rxr> SMP: could you fix the stone locale thing ? 19:30 < Pupeno> may I run that configuration application that was run after installing again ? (After having booted up the installed system) 19:30 < rxr> yes - just enter stone 19:31 < Pupeno> rxr: it gave me an error. 19:31 < rxr> oehm - then you did install too less packages ... ;-) 19:31 < rxr> stone -text might work then ... 19:32 < Pupeno> . /usr/sbin/stone: line 68: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory 19:32 < Pupeno> stone -text the same error, and I installed the whole 3cds drock. 19:33 < rxr> oehm - you do not run the devfsd ? 19:33 < Pupeno> rxr: it seems is not running, I started as single user since the other way didn't work (X was not right). 19:34 < Pupeno> ok, stone is now working. 19:35 < Pupeno> it seems it wasn't x... 19:48 < SMP> /dev/fd/ is from /etc/conf/devfs 19:49 < SMP> it's run at boot and ... bash --login should run it somehow it uid == 0 19:50 < rxr> AFAIR devfsd also does create the link 19:58 < Pupeno> running /etc/init.d/devfsd start solved the problem. 19:59 < Pupeno> anyway, how do I make it not switch to frame buffer at such a big resolution (1024x768) that this poor old malnfunctioning monitor doesn't support ? 20:00 < rxr> Pupeno: which grafik card is this? 20:00 < rxr> most probably you want to prevent the module load anyway: 20:00 < Pupeno> rxr: on-board intel i810 or something like that. 20:00 < daja77> ah they suck 20:01 < Pupeno> daja77: but the problem is not the graphic card! 20:01 < SMP> just don't use framebuffer at all ... 20:01 < daja77> . 20:01 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html 20:01 < rxr> just use the kernel parameters as in any other distribution 20:01 < rxr> vga=normal 20:01 < SMP> they all suck, unless the hardware really is a framebuffer and not just a graphics card 20:02 < Pupeno> SMP: what hardware is a framebuffer ? 20:03 < SMP> most UNIX workstations? 20:04 < SMP> anything that doesn't have a text mode ;) 20:04 < daja77> :) 20:04 < Pupeno> I think I've never seen a UNIX workstation. 20:05 < rxr> :-( 20:05 < daja77> that's a pity 20:07 < Pupeno> even with vga=normal, the screen is all scrambled after booting up. 20:08 < rxr> you have a remote login ? 20:08 < rxr> lsmod tells you, what? 20:08 < Pupeno> rxr: it seems the network is not really working yet, but I can log in blindly and start x 20:09 < rxr> and x works? 20:09 < daja77> speaking of that, it seems i could get remote login to an amd64 for more than a few hours soon 20:09 ::: nookie_!~nookie@M472P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at has joined: #rocklinux 20:09 < Pupeno> yes, I configured it with a low resolution that works with this monitor. 20:09 < rxr> ok 20:09 < rxr> I'm only interested in `lsmod` 20:09 < Pupeno> what part of it ? 20:09 < Pupeno> oh, the fonts of the konsole are really weird, like gothic or something like that :( 20:10 < Pupeno> xterm runs better. 20:10 < Pupeno> ok, lsmod shows 20:10 < Pupeno> i830 20:10 < rxr> the intel fb module is loaded and is named= 20:10 < rxr> ah - ok enough 20:10 < rxr> take your favourite editor and edit 20:10 < Pupeno> i810_rng (unused) 20:10 < Pupeno> yeap ? 20:11 < rxr> /etc/conf/pci 20:11 < rxr> PCI_SKIP_MODULES="" 20:11 < Pupeno> yes... 20:11 < Pupeno> which one ? 20:11 < rxr> PCI_SKIP_MODULES="i830" 20:11 < rxr> to prevent ROCK Plug auto loading the framebuffer module ... 20:12 < Pupeno> ok, thanks... 20:12 < Pupeno> let's see. 20:12 < rxr> the URL I pasted above would explain it, too: 20:12 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch10.html 20:13 < Pupeno> it still scrambles the screen after booting. 20:14 < rxr> oehm - is the module sitll loaded? 20:14 < daja77> have you set a wrong system font or sth like that? 20:15 < rxr> 2 things come into mind: 20:15 < Pupeno> daja77: I didn't set any font. and it looks like video scrambled (frecuencies too high) 20:15 < daja77> k. 20:15 < rxr> 1. Have you edited the file correctly - it is a shell file - so you only can but one SKIP line into it 20:15 < rxr> not two - 20:15 < rxr> 2. do you use ROCK Plug? cat /etc/conf/hardware 20:15 < rxr> should show: 20:15 < rxr> HARDWARE_SETUP=rockplug 20:16 < rxr> I need to go now ... 20:16 < rxr> cu 20:16 ::: nookie!~nookie@M276P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20:20 < Pupeno> the config files seems to be right, but the module is loaded anyway. 20:38 < Pupeno> where is the ./scripts/ directory ? 20:38 < daja77> /usr/src/rock-src 20:40 < Pupeno> daja77: si there a repository of binary packages for updating ? 20:40 < daja77> no 20:41 < Pupeno> oh :( 20:41 < Pupeno> so, there's no tool to manage such thing, right ? 20:42 < Pupeno> like apt- 20:42 < daja77> not yet implemented no 20:42 < Pupeno> are there plans ? 20:42 < daja77> yes 20:43 < Pupeno> may I help ? 20:44 < daja77> ask on the ml for that 20:44 < Pupeno> ml=mailing list ? 20:45 < daja77> yes 20:45 < Pupeno> ok 20:47 ::: trekkie3k!k3t@p54804A94.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 20:49 < blindy> moin 20:50 < nagi> hi trekkie3k , blindy 20:54 < rolla> wow this xorg is great :) 20:55 < Pupeno> rolla: really ? 20:55 < Pupeno> how do I list the installed packages ? 20:55 < daja77> mine -q 20:55 < Pupeno> kewl 20:57 < rolla> daja77: 20:58 < daja77> rolla: :) 20:59 < nagi> daja77: 20:59 < nagi> rolla: 20:59 < nagi> :ppp 20:59 < nagi> true: 20:59 < nagi> *kick* 20:59 < rolla> owl :) 21:00 < daja77> hi owl 21:00 < nagi> hi daja77 21:00 < netrunner> rolla: built&tried or read spec? 21:01 < true> nagi: why you're kicking me? 21:01 < daja77> it is her nature 21:01 < rolla> netrunner: I am runnning it right now 21:02 < nagi> true: not only you. i just kicked three people - because they - aeh - deserved it *vbeg* 21:02 < true> i.c. 21:03 < nagi> true: *giving you a neverending hug* :p better? 21:03 < daja77> no 21:05 < true> nagi: better than kicking :p 21:05 < netrunner> rolla: wow. my next build will also contain it. 21:05 < nagi> true: hehe. well. :) 21:07 < daja77> netrunner: downloaded everything? 21:07 < Pupeno> If I wanted to update kde (from 3.2.0 to 3.2.2), should I build from sources ? 21:08 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB6C3.dip.t-dialin.net has joined: #rocklinux 21:08 < daja77> there are no binaries for kde 3.2.2 atm iirc 21:09 < Pupeno> daja77: and for kde 3.2.1 ? 21:10 < daja77> I have some, but a slow connection 21:10 < Pupeno> daja77: but nothing oficial ? 21:11 < daja77> well I did build official isos once .. 21:11 < daja77> there are no online repos for that packages afaik 21:13 < Pupeno> It'd be nice if there's was an official rock linux distro release and a official repository for updates (Even if there's no updating tool yet) 21:15 < blindy> there's both of it 21:16 < fake> https://f4k3.net/~fake/bus/ <- j0! 21:16 < blindy> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/ 21:16 < blindy> and scripts/Update-System 21:17 < Pupeno> blindy: well, that is Desktop Rock, not Rock Linux (if you get my point) and where is the repository of update packages ? 21:17 < daja77> scripts/Update-System is considered broken 21:17 < daja77> Pupeno: so what 21:17 < blindy> fake: yours? 21:17 < nagi> hi fake 21:18 < Pupeno> daja77: well, I think other people would expect, like me, to have an official Rock Linux distro called Rock Linux and Desktop Rock to be another 'target'. 21:18 < blindy> Pupeno: actually, I don't get it. the generic build wouldn't be of much use to an average user. 21:18 < daja77> blindy: why 21:19 < fake> blindy: yeah. and i'm gonna get our booth decoration with it, if you don't get it soon! 21:19 < blindy> daja77: drock is more desktop-friendly. 21:19 < fake> blindy: it's family-owned. 21:19 < Pupeno> blindy: it would be of much use to any user wanting a base to start building another distro and for anyone not intrested in desktop spefic things. 21:19 < blindy> fake: punch praenti about storage-space! 21:20 < fake> /punch praenti 21:20 < daja77> blindy: depends 21:20 < fake> you can dump it @fake if you're out of space 21:20 < daja77> it is not that much different 21:20 < blindy> fake: he's the one who said that he'd provide that. 21:20 < blindy> daja77, Pupeno: I see 21:22 < Pupeno> I think that current desktop rock makes not a lot of sense for a real user friendly easy to install desktop but it seems like a very, very good generic porpoise distribution (like Debian or Gentoo) that can be used from there or that can be used to build other distros (being that Rock is a distribution building kit) 21:22 < Pupeno> just my personal opinion. 21:24 < Pupeno> BTW, where's the update repository ? 21:26 < daja77> you don't listen, there are no official package repositories yet 21:27 < Pupeno> blindy said something about it. 21:30 < daja77> there are only isos on that url 21:31 < Pupeno> ok... 21:34 < netrunner> fake: I sm committed the linuxrc update since you didn't ... maybe you discard yours? 21:34 < fake> netrunner: sure. 21:35 * daja77 reading gentoo docs and feeling sick 21:35 * nagi gives daja77 an kotzkuebel 21:35 < netrunner> fake: you bought that thing? looks quite ... used 21:35 * daja77 tanks nagi 21:36 < daja77> thanks even 21:36 < nagi> hehe. you're welcome 21:37 < daja77> ;) 21:38 < fake> netrunner: it's a gift my stepfather got for his 50th birthday. 21:38 < fake> he's only home in the weekend, so practically, this is mine ;) 21:38 < fake> i'm currently screwing my hands bloody to get this damn interior out 21:39 < netrunner> but it's cool! I am looking for a t4 with camping interior 21:39 < fake> i think i'll put in some nifty couch or some such 21:40 < fake> and a big, fat WLAN antenna, of course *g* 21:40 < netrunner> and your plastic woman on the driver seat? 21:40 < fake> better a plastic woman than a real one. 21:41 < netrunner> doesn't make so much noise ;) 21:41 < fake> plastic women do not harm you - or your car. 21:41 < daja77> *ggg*+ 21:41 * fake quickly anonymized the pictures.. stupid me 21:42 < fake> flush your caches and forget what you saw 21:42 < fake> i'll try to get rid of those damn warning stickers now 21:42 < fake> wish me luck ;) 21:43 < blindy> fake: you DO know that this channel is now logged by rxr? 21:44 < daja77> fake's van is bigger than mine ^^ 21:48 < fake> blindy: but the page i linked isn't mirrored... 21:48 < fake> and i updated the page. 21:48 * fake away : bus foenen 22:00 ::: tcr!~tcr@pD9EAB6C3.dip.t-dialin.net has quit: Remote closed the connection 22:07 * blindy gone 22:12 < Pupeno> err. the route rules are not right after configuring the network. 22:25 ::: Pupeno!~Give@host90.200-117-206.telecom.net.ar has quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 22:30 ::: Pupeno!~Give@host90.200-117-206.telecom.net.ar has joined: #rocklinux 22:31 < Pupeno> trying to connect with PPPoE I've got this errors: 22:31 < Pupeno> Unknown statement in config file: ppp 22:31 < Pupeno> Unknown statement in config file: ppp_defaults 22:31 < Pupeno> Not enough of information: 22:31 < Pupeno> Not enough of information: "dev" argument is required. 22:31 < Pupeno> Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. 22:32 < Pupeno> RP-PPPoE plugin version 3.3 compiled against pppd 2.4.2b3 22:32 < Pupeno> . /usr/sbin/pppd: no device specified and stidin is not a tty 22:32 < Pupeno> any ideas what is wrong ? 22:33 < daja77> dev ppp0 perhaps? 22:34 < netrunner> pppd eth0 22:34 < daja77> ah 22:35 < Pupeno> pppd eth0 instead of ppp eth0 ? 22:37 < Pupeno> it seems that it should be pppoe device and not ppp\npppoe device and ppp-defaults doesn't work, maybe this is outdated: https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse26.html ? 22:39 < netrunner> Pupeno: rene updated this not so long ago. I still use the old pppoe plugin for pppd, maybe this is different. 23:12 < nagi> aehm. someone sees where i can order the air berlin card silber via snail-mail or phone? i can't find the info on this website: www.airberlin.com 23:16 < Pupeno> netrunner: rene updated the packages or the docs ? 23:19 < daja77> always both 23:20 < Pupeno> so, I should update the packages. 23:21 < daja77> huh? 23:21 < daja77> why are you always talking about updating, i don't get it 23:22 < Pupeno> daja77: you said rene updated both, the packages and the docs... so the packages for networking I have here are older than the ones refered in the documentation, right ? 23:22 < daja77> dunno, depends on what you've installed 23:22 < Pupeno> daja77: I installed drock (2.0.0 if I'm not mistaken) 23:24 < daja77> should be current enough 23:24 < Pupeno> but the functionality I have is different than the documentation! 23:25 < daja77> i dunno sorry 23:26 < Pupeno> ok... 23:26 < Pupeno> and for me, updating/upgrading is something important, because bugs get fixed, features are added. 23:28 < daja77> co the src, and do scripts/E,merge-Pkg for single updates 23:29 < Pupeno> co ? 23:29 < netrunner> checkout 23:29 < daja77> checkout 23:29 < netrunner> faster! *jump* 23:30 < netrunner> but that piece has not changed since the release of 2.0 23:31 * daja77 too tired to do more support anyway :) 23:32 < Pupeno> now I'm getting the error RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable when /etc/init.d/network start (just a simple ethernet with static ip) 23:33 < Pupeno> solved, sorry 23:33 < Pupeno> daja77: what do you mean by checkout the sources ? download the tarball ? by hand ? or is there a better way ? 23:34 < netrunner> Pupeno: did you specify the "interface ppp0" section in /etc/network/config as in the handbook? 23:34 < daja77> pupeno chaadd /24 to your ip to set a netmask 23:34 < daja77> -cha 23:35 < Pupeno> netrunner: yes. 23:35 < Pupeno> netrunner: I almost copied the example in the handbook. 23:42 < netrunner> Pupeno: if you ask here in ca. 10h you might meet rxr, he has coded that part and could help you in debugging. 23:42 * netrunner -> bed, n8 * 23:43 < Pupeno> netrunner: the pppoe part ? 23:54 < daja77> n8 you all 23:55 < nagi> gn8 daja77 --- Log closed Fre Apr 23 00:00:41 2004