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--- Log opened Mon Apr 26 00:00:44 2004 00:03 < jsaw> re 00:03 < netrunner> hi jsaw 00:03 < jsaw> hi netrunner 00:11 < jsaw> anybody at gcc 3.4.0? 00:12 * daja77 not 00:12 < netrunner> jsaw: esden tried it for another project ... seems to be yet more strict. 00:13 < jsaw> well, not more strict, but... stuff that was "obsoleted" with 3.3 is now *really* gone... 00:14 < jsaw> netrunner: can you get him to push the gcc package to sm? 00:19 < netrunner> jsaw: he didn't do it for rock. he's quite busy in an university project. 00:19 < netrunner> (where I should also invest some time ;) 00:19 < jsaw> ah, okay, so I'll continue with the package... 00:19 < netrunner> sure 00:20 < jsaw> btw, all the PC's I've under control with linux are now running rock... :) 00:21 -!- nookie [~nookie@M307P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:21 < jsaw> my server-workstation (computing), my lil samba-print-and-other stuff server 00:22 < jsaw> and all flawlessly integrated into the institute ldap environment. 00:23 < jsaw> (damn, the more I know rock the better I like it's rough edges) 00:23 < SMP> too many rough edges 00:24 < jsaw> for me, a rough edge is not a fault, so what I mean is: you have to edit every config file by hand - no yast or similiar... 00:25 < SMP> yeah, well 00:25 < jsaw> but, yes I know, it has a bunch of shortcomings, still 00:26 < SMP> well, for example a tool to set up an LDAP client (or even server) would be very good to have 00:27 < jsaw> (i guess that's a hint now) 00:27 < SMP> just a very small one ;) 00:27 < jsaw> :) 00:27 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C239.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:28 < jsaw> btw, why is TERM set to "nxterm"? 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I have no deep knowledge in compiler arch, and started c++ yesterday with some hello world scripts ;) but it sounds good what you say. 10:19 < netrunner> s/scripts/progs/ 10:24 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FC6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:24 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FBF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 10:25 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 10:50 < rxr> OMG - I need what the gnome folks are smoking: 10:50 < rxr> /home/rene/rock/build/default-2.1.0-DEV-powerpc-powerpc-750-desktop-expert/ROCK/tools.native/wrapper 10:50 < rxr> install: `./Balsa.idl' and `/home/rene/rock/src.balsa.1082970325.21666.2213434599/balsa-2.1.2/src/./B 10:50 < rxr> alsa.idl' are the same file 10:57 < daja77> lol 11:01 < rxr> "This will exit Balsa. Do you really want to do this?" 11:01 < rxr> what a questions ... - yes, sure damn crap ... 11:01 < daja77> hi rxr 11:02 < rxr> hi daja77 11:04 < fussabtreter> moin 11:20 < rxr> rehi 11:20 < rxr> cool 11:21 < rxr> https://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/ 11:37 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/stats.html 11:43 < netrunner> rxr: you package it? 11:47 < rxr> netrunner: ? this is your noddelstat 11:47 < netrunner> rxr: i meant kooldock 11:48 < rxr> netrunner: ;-) 11:48 < netrunner> rxr: the stats are cool, only we have to many lines/day. maybe you reduce the fontsize in the stylesheet .ns_alt_td 11:48 < rxr> in some seconds 11:48 < rxr> yep 11:49 < netrunner> the author of noodlestats asked if we use it, can I ack that, or do you want to try others? 11:50 < rxr> hehe, this pix is really cool: 11:50 < rxr> https://fun.drno.de/pics/windoof/windowsxp-problem.jpg 11:50 < rxr> netrunner: yes sure - so far it does what I want ... 11:58 < fussabtreter> hmmm. is a "ibm r6000 43p model 150" ppc supported by rock? 11:58 < rxr> should not be too hard to get it run on it 11:58 < rxr> cd-booting might not work yet 11:58 < rxr> wow: 11:58 < rxr> == 04/26/04 12:12:19 =[9]=> Finished building package balsa. 11:59 < fussabtreter> hmmm. ok... isos available? 11:59 < rxr> the usual PPC ones 11:59 < rxr> new ones will show up this days 11:59 < netrunner> rxr: what wow? you mean it built? 11:59 < fussabtreter> oki. iso.rocklinux.org? *thinking* 11:59 < rxr> .de 11:59 < netrunner> or it's ahead of time? 11:59 < fussabtreter> ah. k. thx 12:00 < rxr> but 2.0.1 are on the way - the last PowerPC ones are older 12:00 < rxr> and will not boot on it 12:00 < rxr> the new ones might 12:00 < rxr> netrunner: yes - I'm happy this thig built 12:00 < fussabtreter> i c. hmm. when will they be available? 12:00 < rxr> hm - oh yes - my iBook clock is slightly screwed 12:00 < rxr> fussabtreter: next days 12:00 < BoS> rxr: where is the port descr for ppc? 12:00 < fussabtreter> oki. cool. thx. 12:00 < rxr> they are finished for days - but need a test 12:00 < rxr> BoS: www.rocklinux.org/powerpc.html 12:01 < fussabtreter> btw, is there sourcecode available for 2.1, too, already? 12:01 < rxr> (--typos) 12:01 < rxr> fussabtreter: sure - SVN 12:01 < rxr> SVN trunk:HEAD 12:01 < BoS> rxr: thx 12:04 < fussabtreter> could someone please give me the ip of rocklinux.de? thx 12:04 < rxr> the iso is at iso.rocklinux.de ... 12:04 < fussabtreter> yeah. i'm waiting for the new one(s) 12:05 < rxr> ok ... 12:05 < fussabtreter> need to ask my bf if rock is ok, for his machine and so 12:08 < rxr> netrunner: font-size: done 12:08 < fussabtreter> and - someone could please tell me an fscking dns-server (public + anonym) because this one from freenet.de isn't working anymore *lalala* 12:10 < rxr> fussabtreter: setup a full autarc resolver 12:10 < fussabtreter> with fli4l? 12:12 < rxr> dont now that - just install the needed software (bind?) on-demand 12:12 < BoS> rxr: and the build desc :) 12:13 < fussabtreter> hmmm. this is a problem.. becauou just can install somethin, if you have HD in this machine... :( 12:14 < rxr> BoS: ? you mean how to buidl the PPC thing? 12:15 < BoS> 8yes 12:15 < BoS> yes 12:15 < rxr> just as ROCK build always. Nothing special. The Handbook: 12:15 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/ 12:16 < BoS> build under x86 with cd build and install or what ? 12:19 < rxr> you can cross build on x86 - but we currently do not support to cross build everything (that is on the TODO). You would get a minimal system 12:19 < rxr> normally you do full builds natively - either with a ROCK installation of an other distribution ... 12:21 < BoS> the current system are mandrake 9.1 ppc - any probs whit it? 12:21 < rxr> hm - tiny thinks maybe - like updating: sed, mktemp and/or bash 12:22 < rxr> but nothing serious (I expect / guess) 12:22 < rxr> the obvious bugs / shortcommings are detected in ./scripts/Check-System 12:23 < BoS> ok - lets start it :) thx 12:23 < rxr> BoS: have fun 12:24 < rxr> BoS: you are online via arcor in germany? 12:24 < BoS> i hope so - any days later ... 12:24 < BoS> yes 12:24 < rxr> could you post: 12:25 < rxr> traceroute www.heise.de | head -n5 12:25 < BoS> mom rxr - but the dns isn't arcor 194.25.2.129 194.25.2.131 12:26 < BoS> her's the ouput from your question: 12:27 < rxr> I don't care about the DNS - I'm just interested in the latency characteristics of the core "dial-in" hops 12:28 < BoS> raceroute to www.heise.de (193.99.144.71), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 12:28 < BoS> 1 st-john (10.1.2.5) 0.646 ms 0.285 ms 0.236 ms 12:28 < BoS> 2 * * * 12:29 < BoS> 3 dre-145-253-16-113.arcor-ip.net (145.253.16.113) 25.185 ms 24.681 ms 24.658 ms 12:29 < BoS> 4 dre-145-254-6-9.arcor-ip.net (145.254.6.9) 34.637 ms 34.820 ms 34.670 ms 12:29 < BoS> 5 ffm-145-254-16-170.arcor-ip.net (145.254.16.170) 39.943 ms 39.969 ms 40.047 ms 12:29 < BoS> rxr: end of output 12:31 < rxr> ah - cool - may I ask for the overall ping latency to www.heise.de? 12:32 < BoS> 64 bytes from www.heise.de (193.99.144.71): icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=57.8 ms 12:32 < rxr> thanks;-) 12:33 < BoS> ok 12:35 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-2.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:35 < holyolli> moin 12:44 < rxr> moin holyolli 12:44 < holyolli> huhu rxr 12:48 < rxr> ;-) 12:50 < fussabtreter> gnarf. please kick me if i'm to lazy to do something which takes about 15 minutes... thx 12:54 * StefanG kicks fussabtreter 12:55 < fussabtreter> thx. but i already replaced my fscking floppy from sp and so... :p 12:55 < StefanG> hehe :) 12:55 < StefanG> it was just preventive 12:56 < fussabtreter> blll :p nice boy 12:56 < rxr> netrunner: I now packaged kooldock - it will be in submaster after a test build ... 13:08 < rxr> netrunner: loaded up 13:10 < fussabtreter> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,296237,00.html rofl 13:11 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm138.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:16 < netrunner> rxr: really cool! 13:18 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm138.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 13:23 < fussabtreter> hi cchamilt 13:47 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:00 < rxr> damn crap todaay 14:05 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tcr 14:05 < daja77> what's up? 14:06 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-224.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 14:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tcr 14:07 < rxr> daja77: read the mailing list 14:08 < rxr> rock-devel 14:08 < rxr> aside that submaster sucks 14:08 * daja77 polling 14:08 < daja77> no comment on that ... 14:09 < rxr> why not? 14:10 < daja77> on submaster? 14:11 < rxr> whatever your "< daja77> no comment on that ..." was about ... 14:11 < daja77> on the submaster thing 14:12 < daja77> args damn fights 14:14 < netrunner> YES! my gf passed koma. after a long talk to the supervisor in the review :) 14:15 < rxr> koma what? 14:16 < netrunner> konkrete mathematik 14:16 < netrunner> the killer subject that throws out about 80% of informatik (diplom) students here 14:17 < netrunner> just look at these stats: https://wwwzenger.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/lehre/vorlesungen/konkr_math/03_04/klausur/noten.jpg 14:17 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-147.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:17 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 14:23 < netrunner> weird layout: https://www.schwemme.de/ 14:25 < holyolli> indeed... 14:31 < daja77> sigh, ok commented anyway 14:32 < netrunner> daja77: I am already your friend. 14:32 < daja77> netrunner: huh? 14:32 < netrunner> daja77: I just received an orkut invitation from you. 14:32 < daja77> args these damn suckers 14:33 < daja77> seems they autogenertated such mails 14:33 < netrunner> to already subscribed users? 14:34 * netrunner -> uni 14:35 < daja77> and to pending ones 14:39 < daja77> removed all pending ones 14:40 < daja77> orkut proves nicely that the invitation policy does not prevent idiots from joining 14:59 < rolla> peopel still go to orkut? 14:59 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm138.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] has left #rocklinux [] 15:01 < daja77> i haven't logged in for weeks, but i guess lots of ppl will ask why they got mail by me >_< 15:01 < rolla> :) 15:05 < fussabtreter> hmm. why changes [*] this is a cross-build between architectures the number of active packages from over 1000 to 50 ? 15:07 < rxr> fussabtreter: I mentioned this, this morning - we do not support cross build everything - and you should know this 15:07 < fussabtreter> ah so.. hmm. bad :( 15:08 < fussabtreter> (but good for my money box... don't need to download so much *hrhr*) 15:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:22 < rxr> cu all in some hours ... 15:23 < BoS> which pkgs can i find the libaprutil? 15:23 < fussabtreter> subversion i guess 15:24 < tfing> in apache on my system 15:24 < BoS> my error was in the libaprutil - shared error 15:25 < BoS> what can i do? 15:48 < netrunner> rxr: could you please check the cksum of kdeaddons? there are dots in it :/ (trunk) 15:58 < netrunner> ugh, might be a patch fetched from submaster ... 16:00 < netrunner> I sent a fix to submaster. svn log of the kdeaddons dir is on 1 init, so there is no smapped patch, no? 16:21 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M259P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:24 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: k3t__, darix, daja77, fussabtreter, clifford, ija, mnemoc, holyolli, SMP, valentin, (+13 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:30 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:30 -!- StefanG [~StefanG@port-212-202-34-137.reverse.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:30 -!- StefanG [~StefanG@port-212-202-34-137.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M349P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tfing, holyolli, blindy, k3t__, netrunner, fussabtreter, netcrow, darix, BoS, mistik1 (+13 more) 16:31 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- th_ [th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:43 < netrunner> damn, this lecture is filled up to the door :/ 16:47 < netrunner> and now one of the 20 guys stuck around me fartedd :( 16:48 < rolla> :) 17:01 < netrunner> ah, feee ;) 17:03 < netrunner> free I mean. I think they shouldn't sell sauerkraut for lunch. 17:03 < daja77> it is bavaria after all ^^ 17:09 -!- MadTux [~mike@ucontrol.mobiledns.com] has joined #rocklinux 17:09 < MadTux> hello. 17:09 < daja77> hi MadTux! 17:09 < holyolli> MadTux :) 17:10 < MadTux> daja77: ! 17:10 < MadTux> alcoholy 17:11 < blindy> moin 17:11 < daja77> moin blindy 17:11 < MadTux> blindy 17:12 < netrunner> hi MadTux and blindy 17:13 < MadTux> hi nety 17:31 -!- MadTux [~mike@ucontrol.mobiledns.com] has left #rocklinux [] 17:33 < blindy> netrunner: been hooked on wesnoth? 17:35 < daja77> it crashes here 17:38 < blindy> what opt? 17:38 < blindy> what version? 17:39 < daja77> default opts, 0.7.2 but i think the crash is sdl related 17:39 < blindy> oh 17:57 < daja77> it seems that the build skript don't catch an update when scripts/Config was not run again before the build ... 18:00 < blindy> in some cases, that is correth 18:00 < blindy> correct 18:00 < blindy> but you can run ./scripts/Config -cfg $config -oldconfig 18:00 < daja77> well perhaps, but i now think this explains some strange build errors i had 18:01 < daja77> hm i buolt without optimisation this time >_< 18:05 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB39C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:10 < rxr> hi 18:11 < daja77> wb rxr 18:12 < blindy> moin rxr 18:13 < daja77> k. restarting the whole build somehow this has craped out 18:19 < rxr> netrunner: I see the . in the kde package - it was auto generated and I have no idea how they crapped in 18:20 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD95F21A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:22 < daja77> the gnome2.6 patch doesn't apply :( 18:26 < daja77> ah ic the openh323 package is already updated >_< 18:32 < blindy> hmm 18:32 < blindy> LVP chokes on the new builddir layout 18:32 * blindy busy fixing 18:33 < daja77> smap does not recognize when there is the patch file already which would made fixing things like that easier 18:33 < daja77> already downloaded i mean 18:33 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD95F21A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:34 < rxr> blindy: btw. I should remove the LVP repository again? ... 18:35 < daja77> rxr guess your patch will not apply to trunk, cos the openh323 patch will be applied earlier 18:38 < blindy> rxr: no, why? 18:38 < blindy> rxr: it's just a minor change, but I need to run a test-build 18:39 < rxr> daja77: I already set the openh323 patch as applied - since merged in my patch 18:39 < rxr> and sm should just merge it 18:39 < rxr> blindy: I thought it is in trunk now - so you could do all inside ROCK itself 18:40 < blindy> ah, I see. 18:40 < blindy> I misunderstood 18:40 < daja77> it didn't 18:40 < rxr> hm - ah yes - just the sm sync might do this ... 18:40 < blindy> rxr: I'd like to continue active development in the lvp-rep and only merge the releases into the rock-trunk. 18:40 < rxr> but I do not know - read the source or complain at clifford 18:41 < blindy> rxr: that way I can use the full support of svn and still have lvp directly in ROCK :-) 18:42 < daja77> i do not need to read the src to know why this happpens, anyway this was not a complaint, merley a hint 18:42 < rxr> but we also do not have a direct-working copy svn.... for ROCK Linux - why should we then have for lvp when you could use a local reposotiry and export as patch or submaster? 18:43 < rxr> daja77: I would need to read the source - because it is a bug and should not happen ... 18:43 < blindy> rxr: but if you'd like to remove the rep, just send me the dump and I'll reimport the rep here 18:43 < daja77> well this is the result of using patch .... 18:44 < daja77> patch can't handle such things 18:46 < daja77> this x.org package just changes the xfree package not creating a new one, should I vote against that? 18:46 < blindy> daja77: +++ package/x11/xorg 18:47 < rxr> daja77: id does add a new one 18:47 < daja77> oh good 18:48 < daja77> reading the patch again 18:49 < rxr> cu later 18:50 < daja77> ok then I'll include that in my build I guess 18:50 < daja77> cu rxr 18:51 < blindy> hmmm 18:51 < blindy> this might be a good test for my newly acquired RAM 18:54 < blindy> daja77: had a look at ROCK Sonar? 18:54 < daja77> not yet 18:54 < blindy> :( 18:54 < daja77> haven't tested rocket either :( 18:54 < blindy> me neither ;) 18:54 < blindy> just read that it _should_ work now 18:55 < blindy> or rather: first implementation 18:55 < daja77> well i could test it with the laptop when this build is finished, update via isdn is not that much fun 18:55 < blindy> indeed 19:05 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tcr 19:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tcr 19:06 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tcr 19:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tcr 19:16 < mnemoc> moin 19:17 < holyolli> hola mnemoc 19:18 < blindy> moin moin 19:22 < mnemoc> moin holyolli, blindy 19:23 < holyolli> huhu blindy :) 19:26 < blindy> moin holy :) 19:28 < blindy> hmm 19:29 < blindy> can someone explain to me why 400+MB RAM are used but if I add up all memory of all processes shown by top I only get around 50MB? 19:34 < valentin> did you press 'm' ? 19:34 < blindy> yeah 19:34 < blindy> the topmost has around 2000k RAM usage 19:35 < valentin> ps ax | wc 19:35 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~/lvp/trunk# ps ax | wc 19:35 < blindy> 33 208 1550 19:35 < blindy> root@kilbourne:~/lvp/trunk# 19:35 < valentin> strange. 19:36 < blindy> could it be JFS related? 19:36 < valentin> maybe - but this would be quite unormal IMO 19:37 < blindy> I've had this before, but usually X was running at the time with around 280 MB RAM used, so I didn't give it another thought 19:37 < blindy> but now I have the same 19:38 < valentin> which program did you call to print mem usage ? 19:38 < valentin> free ? 19:38 < blindy> yes 19:38 < valentin> and you looked at the second line ? 19:38 < valentin> third line 19:38 < blindy> second 19:39 < valentin> -/+ buffers/cache 19:40 < blindy> that's the correct values? then what's the second line? 19:41 < valentin> you mean the 'Mem:' line ? 19:41 < blindy> yeah 19:42 < valentin> well, thats _total_ mem usage inclusive disk cache. 19:42 < blindy> d'oh 19:42 < valentin> :) 19:42 * blindy returns EUSER 19:42 < valentin> :) 19:43 * valentin getting some food. 19:44 * mnemoc falling slept 19:44 * fussabtreter having trouble with a absolutely dumb person *GNARF* 19:45 < blindy> fussabtreter: that person in the mirror? 19:45 * blindy runs 19:45 < mnemoc> LOL 19:45 < fussabtreter> blindy: *kick* nah. a person which (!!!) every 2nd sentence is a lie 19:46 < blindy> fussabtreter: so either a teacher or a politician? 19:46 < blindy> nah, politicians don't tell the truth so often 19:48 < daja77> hi mnemoc 19:49 < fussabtreter> blindy: nope. a dumb person, watching x serien at tv, riding much more than l-dressage (e,a,l,m,s) - what normally is just available if you're having a very good horse, years of knowledge in riding and so on... (and she told in a channel last year, that her horse has for over a year a "sehnenschaden" - so this horse is nothing for the big sport...) 19:50 < blindy> I have no idea what you're talking about 19:52 * daja77 too 19:52 < mnemoc> hi daja77, an ...owl? 19:52 < mnemoc> snd* 19:52 < fussabtreter> hehe. ok... 19:52 < mnemoc> and* 20:05 < rxr> hi 20:05 < valentin> hi rxr 20:05 < blindy> re rxr 20:07 < mnemoc> hi rxr 20:07 < mnemoc> behavior change in Create-CkSumPatch was desired or bug? 20:08 < mnemoc> (cksum.patch vs. stdout) 20:08 * daja77 desires this 20:08 < blindy> it's quite useful 20:10 < mnemoc> consistent, yes. more useful? i don't know 20:10 < blindy> ./scripts/Create-Cksum-Patch | patch -p1 20:10 < daja77> yep easier 20:11 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-Cksum-Patch | less ; ./scripts/Create-Cksum-Patch | patch -p1 20:11 < mnemoc> vs. 20:11 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-Cksum-Patch; patch -p1 < cksum.patch 20:12 < mnemoc> i don't like to apply blind :) 20:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I submitted it - more consistent - easier ... helps me ... 20:13 < mnemoc> ok :) 20:13 < rxr> mnemoc: me neither 20:13 < daja77> i have no problems with blind application 20:13 < rxr> but I like it more to hit arrow-up and type | patch -p1 then a new line with cksum or copy .patch and so on 20:13 < mnemoc> update blind applications sometimes damage the .desc file 20:13 < mnemoc> uhm.... rewrite: 20:14 < mnemoc> blind applications of the update script can produce damages in .desc files 20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: there are a few more consistent problems on the scripts.... i want to fix them someday 20:16 < rxr> mnemoc: proposse changes where you like ... 20:17 < mnemoc> some day ;) 20:17 < mnemoc> i'll go to lunch... cu :) 20:23 < rxr> jups 20:51 < blindy> hmm 20:51 < blindy> much faster :) 20:51 < blindy> bash in 2 minutes, glibc in 32 20:52 < rxr> what is faster 20:53 < blindy> tmpfs :) 20:53 < blindy> not building on a 7200 rpm disk but in RDRam :) 20:54 < rxr> how much % improvement? 20:55 < blindy> hmm recalling from memory I'd say 30-50 20:55 < blindy> glibc usually took around an hour to build 20:56 < rxr> those numbers are quite fuzzy - I do not expect a 50% speedup using tmpfs 20:56 < rxr> maybe some perccentage - but compiling is so less I/O - most in in cache ... 20:56 < blindy> that's why I say 30-50 20:56 < blindy> something in between 20:56 < rxr> you should really benchmark this - counting real number ... 20:56 < blindy> I know for a fact that glibc took short under an hour 20:56 < blindy> yeah 20:57 < blindy> will do a time ./scripts/Build-Target tomorrow 20:57 < blindy> or something like that 20:57 < blindy> tomorrow before I go to work 20:57 < rolla> yawn 21:12 < daja77> damn the gnome update eats the badwith i need for the kde update ^^ 21:16 -!- amaury [~amaury@200.115.96.101] has joined #rocklinux 21:47 * blindy --> bed 21:49 < amaury> thanks for visit Colombia 21:49 < amaury> for you help, and your conference 21:52 < amaury> chau 21:52 -!- amaury [~amaury@200.115.96.101] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:52 < daja77> O_o 21:53 < rxr> ? 21:53 < rxr> colombia ? what converence ? .... 21:53 < daja77> mike gave a speech about rocklinux in colombia, iirc, guess that's what he was referring to 21:53 < rxr> hm 21:54 < daja77> what a pity that this guy had not more to telll 21:55 < rxr> yeah ... 21:56 < rolla> :) 22:00 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB39C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:07 [Users #rocklinux] 22:07 [ Aard ] [ darix ] [ holyolli] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ tfing ] 22:07 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ ija ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ th_ ] 22:07 [ BoS ] [ fake ] [ jsaw ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] [ true ] 22:07 [ clifford] [ Freak ] [ k3t__ ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] [ valentin] 22:07 [ daja77 ] [ fussabtreter] [ luckz ] [ nookie ] [ StefanG] 22:07 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 22:36 < fussabtreter> someone knows how "xfree86-dga" is called in xfree86config? 22:50 < fake> hi fussabtreter 22:50 < fussabtreter> hi fake 22:50 < fake> it's in extmod 22:51 < fake> it's often switched off for stability 22:52 < fussabtreter> hmmmm. extmod? normally shouldn't be switched off by default (running xfree86-4.4.0), or am i wrong? 22:52 < fake> it's 22:52 < fake> Load "extmod" 22:53 < fake> if there is anything below this line saying anything about "remove" or "disable", remove it 22:53 < fake> X.org or Xfree86? 22:53 < fussabtreter> xfree86 22:53 < fake> fine, so do i. 22:54 < fake> dga works here 22:54 < fake> but it's 4.3.99 for me 22:54 < fussabtreter> hmmmmmmmm. will give it a try. moment 22:55 < fussabtreter> hmm. ok. thx. :) 22:55 < fake> your'e welcome --- Log closed Tue Apr 27 00:00:59 2004