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--- Log opened Thu Apr 29 00:00:49 2004 00:23 -!- nookie [~nookie@M331P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:30 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M359P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:37 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@1Cust222.tnt3.muc2.deu.da.uu.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:41 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@1Cust222.tnt3.muc2.deu.da.uu.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:46 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD95236D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:48 < demian> hi 00:48 < holyolli> hi demian 00:56 < dsoul> hi demian 01:19 < togg> hi all 01:20 < togg> my attr doesnt compile complaining xgettext not found 01:21 < togg> any suggestions? 01:39 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p54803C34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:39 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803B9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:39 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 01:41 < dsoul> togg in target boot? 01:42 < togg> my own target 01:42 < darix> hmm 01:42 < darix> togg: check why gettext package fails 01:42 < darix> some missing dep i think 01:43 < togg> it doesnt fails, it just is not included in build order 01:43 < togg> so attr does not build 01:43 < darix> o.O 01:43 < togg> some weeks ago this worked 01:44 < togg> when i run scripts/Config -cfg my-target now it removes the gettext (X -1-3------ 148.000 base gettext 0.12.1 / base/library 0) so attr fails 01:53 < dsoul> i had the same problem 01:53 < dsoul> just ad manualy to package list :) 01:54 < holyolli> n8 01:54 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-2.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:54 < togg> i added but then gettext does not compile :) 01:54 < dsoul> where uou added, it in config? 01:54 < togg> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 01:54 < togg> See `config.log' for more details. 01:54 < togg> configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for autoconf-lib-link 01:54 < togg> thats the error 01:55 < togg> on compile 01:55 < togg> i add X -1-3---- and so on 01:55 < togg> in packages and packages.txt 01:55 < dsoul> for me it worked :) 01:56 < SMP> don't edit packages or packages.txt by hand! 01:56 < togg> i know 01:56 < dsoul> sometimes there is no other way :/ 01:56 < SMP> add 'x gettext' to your pkgsel 01:56 < togg> ic 01:56 < dsoul> SMP dosnt work :/ 01:56 < togg> but why isnt it added auto? 01:57 < SMP> (do it from inside scripts/Config or run scripts/Config -oldconfig afterwards) 01:57 < togg> i just updated svn and rebuilt my target 01:57 < togg> b4 it worked 01:58 < dsoul> SMP what to if adding with x does not work? 01:58 < SMP> find out why it doesn't 01:58 < SMP> is there a gettext line in your packages at all? 01:58 < togg> X -1-3------- 01:59 < togg> thats why i think 01:59 < dsoul> proper line is in pkgsel but its still isnt compiled :/ 01:59 < togg> it only builds in stage 1 and 3 01:59 < togg> i have no glue 01:59 < togg> clue 02:00 < dsoul> SMP i had it added by x gettext 02:00 < SMP> dsoul: is there a gettext line in your packages at all? 02:00 < togg> SMP: no it is not 02:00 < dsoul> no :/ 02:01 < togg> i also added to manual package selection but it does not work 02:01 < togg> some time ago it worked and gettext was added auto 02:01 < SMP> then the target or pkgsel template have removed the gettext package entirely 02:01 < SMP> what targets / templates are you using? 02:02 < togg> i use the lw_ap target 02:02 < togg> my own :) 02:02 < dsoul> boot target, no template 02:02 < togg> i has a pkgsel.sh 02:03 < SMP> togg: apparently some part of the whole pkgfilter removed it (not just disable) 02:04 < dsoul> but its strange 02:05 < togg> who can be responsible for this questions? 02:06 < togg> i found it! 02:06 < togg> disable nls support is the cause 02:06 < togg> in config 02:06 < darix> hmm 02:06 < darix> if you disable nls. shouldnt attr disable it on configure too? 02:07 < togg> some version ago this value was not evaluated it seems :D 02:07 < togg> but it doesnt ;) packagers are independet 02:07 < togg> doesnt know what others do 02:08 < SMP> acl and attr have very bizzare build system 02:08 < SMP> +s 02:08 < dsoul> that why boot target is out of gettext :) 02:16 < togg> to build attr i added --enable-gettext=yes/no to configure 02:16 < togg> no 02:16 < togg> hmm shit, it still does not build ;) 02:18 < togg> is there a way to find out which package includes attr/acl ? 02:22 < demian> grep in the flists 02:23 < togg> i do actually, but i thought ther is a script ;) 02:30 < SMP> 'includes'? 02:35 < togg> SMP: exactly 02:35 < SMP> what do you mean by 'includes'? 02:36 < togg> lets say samba needs attr so attr is included in build 02:37 < SMP> we don't know if a package 'needs' another package, we only know if it _uses_ another package 02:37 < SMP> for example, samba might (and will actually) build fine without acl 02:38 < SMP> for your purpose you will want to look at scripts/dep_db.txt 02:38 < togg> ic 02:38 < togg> i did some seconds ago : 02:38 < togg> :) 02:38 < demian> bye 02:38 < togg> demian: bye 02:39 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD95236D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 02:41 < SMP> what kind of retarded package is balsa please ... 03:58 < darix> SMP: a retarted gnome package ;) 04:02 < SMP> it's even more retarded than these 06:18 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has joined #rocklinux 06:45 -!- togg [~togg@pD9534555.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:51 -!- togg [~togg@pD9ED3D95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:56 < netrunner> moin 07:16 < rxr> re 07:19 < rxr> SMP: what is balsa doing? 07:23 < rxr> oeh - it does not like Factory.hh - which looks valid ... 07:23 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:26 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:26 < BoS> moin 07:28 < rxr> moin BoS 07:29 < BoS> moin rxr 07:30 < BoS> have you read the build prob (cross build to ppc) rxr? 07:31 < BoS> rxr: what's here the prob? 07:32 < rxr> no - where is this description? 07:33 < BoS> yesterday here 07:34 < rxr> BoS: I take a look when I'm finished fixing GSMP to compile with gcc-3.4.0 - hopefully in some minutes 07:34 < BoS> thx 07:42 < rxr> BoS: is it in this log? 07:42 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/rocklinux-2004-04-28.html 07:42 < rxr> I have not found it ... 07:42 < rxr> please point me to the log I need to read - or post it again ;-) 07:43 < SMP> rxr: /ROCK/build/desktop-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium3-32-generic-expert/ROCK/tools.chroot/wrapper/install -c -m 644 ./Balsa.idl ./Balsa.idl 07:44 < SMP> install: `./Balsa.idl' and `/ROCK/src.balsa.1083198991.27417.2929855360/balsa-2.1.2/src/./Balsa.idl' 07:44 < SMP> are the same file 07:45 < BoS> mom 07:45 < rxr> SMP: I patched this 07:45 < rxr> damn have I forgotten to svn add ... 07:46 < rxr> SMP: in submaster now 07:46 < rxr> sorry 07:46 < rxr> .. 07:46 < SMP> don't worry, I don't really care about balsa ;) 07:47 < rxr> hm - damn I have some other tiny gnome bits here ... 07:51 < SMP> ugh 07:51 < SMP> the balsa.conf hack in 2004042907465325919 is really ugly 07:52 < BoS> rxr: here is the output from yesterday 07:52 < SMP> and --with-esmtp acually works if you spell it correctly. see 2004042906210819284 ;) 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> Searching for old liggering files ... 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> No errors found. 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> Creating 2nd stage filesystem: 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Extracting the packages archives. 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> `- Extracting 00-dirtree.tar.bz2 ... 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> `- Extracting linux24.tar.bz2 ... 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Saving boot/* - we do not need this on the 2nd stage ... 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Remove the stuff we don't need ... 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> -> Installing some terminfo databases ... 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Cannot open archive ../../pkgs/ncurses.tar.bz2: No 07:53 < BoS> such file or directory 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: Child returned status 2 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/a/ansi: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/n/nxterm: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/l/linux: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt200: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt220: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt100: Not found in archive 07:53 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Cannot open archive ../../pkgs/ncurses.tar.bz2: No 07:53 < BoS> such file or directory 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: Child returned status 2 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/a/ansi: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/n/nxterm: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/l/linux: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt200: Not found in archive 07:54 < rxr> BoS: hm - does your tar work correctly - does not look so 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt220: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/v/vt100: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: usr/share/terminfo/s/screen: Not found in archive 07:54 < BoS> 19:55 < BoS> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors 07:54 < rxr> could you verify the files in build/<id>/pkgs ? 07:55 < BoS> the tar is correct, i think so - a build for x86 works fine 07:56 < BoS> but the cross build with the same tars not 07:57 < rxr> hm 08:17 < SMP> gst-plugins 0.8.1 doesn't compile against gstreamer 0.8.1 ... tries to use undefined GST_EVENT_ANY 08:17 < SMP> what do these people smoke ..? 08:22 < rxr> oehm - gcc-3.4 optimizes complex C++ code much better 08:23 < rxr> erhm !?!?!?!?! 08:23 < rxr> is this a joke (testing PCH): 08:23 < rxr> $ du -h ArgumentList.hh* 08:23 < rxr> 8.0K ArgumentList.hh 08:23 < rxr> 13M ArgumentList.hh.gch 08:23 < rxr> 13 MB ?!?! 08:24 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M325P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:25 -!- nookie [~nookie@M331P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:26 < rxr> wow: 08:26 < rxr> $ du -csh *.gch 08:26 < rxr> 14M ArgumentList.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 944K BinomiHeap.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 868K Delete.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 6.6M DirIterator.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 872K Empty.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 6.6M File.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 12M FlexLexer.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 868K ForEachIf.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 868K Limits.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 13M Logger.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 13M Logging.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 11M SplitStreamBuffer.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 14M Storage.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 1.5M Threads.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 12M Timer.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 6.5M TypeInformation.hh.gch 08:26 < rxr> 110M total 08:26 < rxr> and this is only the utility sub-project of GSMP ... 08:28 < rxr> cool - but it does speed up the compilation! 08:28 < rxr> with: 08:29 < rxr> real 0m18.858s 08:29 < rxr> user 0m15.370s 08:29 < rxr> sys 0m2.020s 08:29 < rxr> without: 08:29 < rxr> real 0m27.689s 08:29 < rxr> user 0m23.700s 08:29 < rxr> sys 0m2.110s 08:29 < netrunner> rxr: try running sloccount on it, gives nice figures how much work it means. 08:29 < rxr> netrunner: sloccount what? 08:31 < netrunner> rxr: sloccount is a tool that counts the source lines of code and gives figures how many man-days it needs to implement that. some statistics 08:31 < netrunner> (is in submaster) 08:32 < rxr> .gch are precompiled headers - they contain GCC interal tree representations 08:32 < rxr> I do not think some code analyser will make s.th. out of it ... 08:38 < netrunner> ah ok 08:45 < netrunner> sloccount scripts/ 08:45 < netrunner> Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 4,722 08:45 < netrunner> Development Effort Estimate, Person-Years (Person-Months) = 1.02 (12.25) 08:45 < netrunner> (Basic COCOMO model, Person-Months = 2.4 * (KSLOC**1.05)) 08:45 < netrunner> Schedule Estimate, Years (Months) = 0.54 (6.48) 08:45 < netrunner> (Basic COCOMO model, Months = 2.5 * (person-months**0.38)) 08:45 < netrunner> Estimated Average Number of Developers (Effort/Schedule) = 1.89 08:45 < netrunner> Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 137,871 08:45 < netrunner> (average salary = $56,286/year, overhead = 2.40). 08:50 < rxr> ah ha 09:08 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p50802E7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:14 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 09:14 -!- netrunner [~meiera@rincewind.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:15 < netrunner> damn. my line is gone again :( 09:15 * netrunner suspects the telecom now disallows 24h connect. 09:16 < rxr> my t-dsl / tiscali line is not (yet9 affected 09:16 < rxr> maybe just some local t-com problesms ... 09:17 < netrunner> it happened yesterday at the same time. only came back at 1300 09:21 < SMP> netrunner: I can hardly imagine that 09:29 < rxr> so now I have added PCH support to GSMP 09:29 * rxr wonder how big the source tree will get with all the fat files ... 09:29 -!- k3t_ [k3t@pD9E8E10B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:29 < rxr> hi k3t_ 09:32 < daja77> moin 09:34 -!- ballist [~foo@206.63.200.33] has joined #rocklinux 09:36 -!- k3t__ [k3t@p54804ECD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:36 < rxr> .oO (If I can trust this gcc) 09:36 < rxr> PRECOMP H ../include/ALSAIOStream.hh.gch 09:36 < rxr> In file included from ../include/ALSAIOStream.hh:35: 09:36 < rxr> ../include/ALSAConverter.hh:34:53: calling fdopen: Bad file descriptor 09:36 < rxr> a 2nd run succeeds ... 09:42 < rxr> oh my god: 09:42 < rxr> du -csh `find -name '*.gch'` 09:42 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #rocklinux 09:42 < rxr> 477M total 09:42 < rxr> this is "just" our GSMP 09:54 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, plasma-, link_ 09:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: netrunner, link_ 10:12 < blindy> WEE 10:12 < blindy> successfully ported transconnect to HPUX 11 10:12 < blindy> :) 10:12 < blindy> hi all 10:13 < daja77> hi blindy 10:14 < blindy> hi daja77 10:18 < blindy> rxr: tmpfs makes a 20% difference on lvp 10:23 < blindy> from over 6 hours to around 5 10:24 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-2.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:24 < holyolli> moin 10:24 < blindy> moin holy 10:24 < holyolli> huhu blindy 10:27 * blindy sending patch to transconnect 10:30 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:31 < rxr> oh - my this is unbelieveable 10:31 < rxr> why do all the people write so lousy code ... 10:32 < rxr> the "Bad filedescriptor" I posted above from GCC (!!) is caused by closing the file two (yes 2!!) times: 10:32 < rxr> 26636 close(5) = 0 10:32 < rxr> 26636 munmap(0x300f5000, 4096) = 0 10:32 < rxr> 26636 close(5) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) 10:32 < rxr> this is more then a bad joke 10:33 < dsoul> no, its opensource :P 10:34 < rxr> dsoul: any problems over at your side? 10:34 < dsoul> :) 10:34 < netrunner> rxr: when you had qdsl, who was your phone provider? 10:34 < rxr> netrunner: I had none 10:35 < rxr> netrunner: you do not need a phone line for QSC - and this is one reason I wanted it here, too 10:35 < netrunner> hm, not a choice for me ;) 10:35 < rxr> netrunner: too damn I now have to pay 16 EUR for a line I do not use 10:35 < netrunner> you have genion? 10:35 < rxr> netrunner: you can have a phone line w/ QSC - but you do not need to ... 10:35 < rxr> netrunner: yes 10:35 < holyolli> netrunner: but they can install one more phone line 10:35 < dsoul> rxr i aslo dont like bad code and this the problem with open source developers, many of them dont have nessesery knowledge to write it 10:36 < rxr> dsoul: people @ Microsoft have less knowledge 10:36 < rxr> dsoul: and there are people like us fixing crap code 10:36 < netrunner> rxr: I know, but I want to get rid of my tdsl. best alternative seems to be arcor-isdn + qdsl home so far 10:37 < rxr> dsoul: I do not know if you have experience with commercial fluff - but I used MSVC++ - and it the uglies compiler "suite" I ever workd with 10:37 < holyolli> but since some days qsc has a contract with telekom in order to resell t-com-lines - so maybe it won't be nessessary to install a phone line only dedicated for dsl 10:37 < rxr> gcc is magniuudes more sophisticated 10:38 < SMP> nothing compared to the icc and its vectorizer ;> 10:38 < dsoul> rxr i dont likme m$ like most of people but they have a few good ideas 10:39 < dsoul> but they always make them unportable as mauch as its possible :) 10:39 < rxr> I neither see good ideas - nor does their stuff function very well ... 10:40 < rxr> anyway - cound the read Bad filedesc line: 10:40 < rxr> fcntl64(-1, F_GETFL) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) 10:40 < rxr> this one is causing the abortion 10:43 < blindy> anyone who can enlighten me on the IRDA problem I've posted? 10:45 < rxr> hm - strange - or is this a glibc bug ... 10:45 < daja77> blindy: in my install irmanager isn't even installed 10:46 < blindy> daja77: because it's not packaged 10:46 < blindy> I checked in the official desktop 2.0.0 release using my ROCK Sonar 10:46 < blindy> no irmanager anywhere 10:47 < blindy> and that makes me wonder quite a bit 10:47 < blindy> OK, transconnect patch sent to maintainer 10:49 < togg> good morning @all 10:49 < togg> is there a rocklinux bugtracker? 10:49 < togg> i want to post a bug related to attr/gettext 10:51 < rxr> www.rocklinux.org/flyspray 10:52 < SMP> togg: send it to the mailingslist 11:16 < togg> SMP: rock-devel ? 11:16 < togg> SMP: rock-svn ? 11:20 < blindy> devel 11:24 < rxr> rock-svn is read only 11:24 < rxr> commit notifications 11:35 -!- netrunner [~meiera@rincewind.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit ["leaving"] 12:12 -!- dsoul [darksoul@149.156.65.40] has quit ["BitchX: better than a penis enlargement!"] 12:19 -!- dsoul [darksoul@149.156.65.40] has joined #rocklinux 12:39 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D750.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:44 < netrunner> hm. I shouldn't have changed my cron that checks my line. 12:52 -!- fussabtreter [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ["sich selbst toteten"] 13:32 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M325P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39 < netrunner> wow. https://www.stretchinc.com/products_benchmarks.php 14:05 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-29.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 14:05 -!- nulpie [war@s2.enemy.org] has joined #rocklinux 14:06 < nulpie> moin 14:09 < netrunner> hi nulpie 14:09 < nulpie> hi netrunner 14:09 * nulpie seeks clifford 14:13 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB30B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-254.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:14 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 14:17 < tcr> moin all 14:19 < rxr> moin tcr 14:19 * rxr cooking 14:23 < tcr> Have fun 14:23 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: link_, holyolli 14:23 -!- link__ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has joined #rocklinux 14:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: holyolli 14:47 < rolla> re 14:48 < dsoul> hi rolla 15:11 < rxr> hi rolla 15:11 [Users #rocklinux] 15:11 [ Aard ] [ daja77] [ holyolli] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ tcr ] 15:11 [ ballist ] [ darix ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tfing ] 15:11 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ k3t_ ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] [ th_ ] 15:11 [ BoS ] [ fake ] [ link__ ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] [ togg ] 15:11 [ clifford] [ Freak ] [ luckz ] [ nulpie ] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 15:11 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 30 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 30 normal] 15:16 < rolla> hallo rxr 15:25 -!- nookie [~nookie@M202P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 15:52 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB30B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:16 < netrunner> arg. bootstrap: checking if we have a Gentoo system... no 16:20 < daja77> what are you doin? 16:21 < rxr> I would like to know this, too 16:21 < daja77> in general this is good news ^^ 16:22 -!- ballist is now known as plasma- 16:25 < mnemoc> moin! 16:25 < daja77> hi mnemoc 16:25 < mnemoc> hi daja77 16:41 -!- alanjwylie [~Alan@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 16:43 < alanjwylie> WooHoo - I'me now running a build of a very recent Rock - Last Changed Date: 2004-03-15 10:19:47 16:43 < alanjwylie> very few issues in installing 16:43 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 16:43 -!- nulpie [war@s2.enemy.org] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 16:43 < MadTux> good day. 16:44 < th_> hi MadTux 16:44 < alanjwylie> I'm even running LVM - when you have a 160Gb drive, you don't really know how to partition it in advance 16:45 < th_> alanjwylie: well yes - i always know 16:45 < th_> alanjwylie: one primary with about 100MB. the rest is for lvm ;-p 16:45 < alanjwylie> whole install and configure, including a load of custom stuff that isn't in rock, took just over a day. 16:46 < alanjwylie> it was nice to be able to do all the "mine -i -R /mnt/tmp" stuff onto the new hard disk while still 16:46 < alanjwylie> working on the old system. 16:47 < mnemoc> hi MadTux 16:47 < daja77> hi MadTux 16:51 < rolla> MadTux: 16:51 < daja77> rolla: 16:54 < rolla> daja77: 16:54 < daja77> :) 16:54 < th_> :) 16:55 < mnemoc> this is a _very_ peculiar channel :) 16:56 < daja77> hm what do you mean 16:57 < rolla> mnemoc: how so? 16:58 < mnemoc> e.g. how does it handle the greetings :) 16:58 < mnemoc> you can't see this behavior in other channels 16:58 < rolla> ? 16:59 < mnemoc> btw, i love this peculiarity 17:00 < MadTux> lol 17:02 < mnemoc> seriusly, there is a very nice karma in #rl. and the weirdness is that that karma is not reflexted on the ML 17:03 < daja77> the ml is spammed by submaster 17:03 < rolla> yeah 17:03 * rolla is nlonger part of the ML 17:03 * MadTux neither 17:04 < mnemoc> i split it in 5 folders to get out of this spam 17:06 < MadTux> i don;t have the time or patience :) 17:06 < mnemoc> btw, your master was quite 'volatil' last week 17:07 < mnemoc> volatile* 17:08 -!- link__ [~link_@adsl-212-101-21-193.solnet.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 17:08 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: holyolli 17:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: holyolli 17:27 < mnemoc> anyone has used a foo.sm/MASTER as master for a second sm tree ? 17:30 < mnemoc> /SVN :p 17:31 < daja77> hm? 17:32 < mnemoc> to branch my own branches :) 17:32 < mnemoc> sm create file://`pwd -P`/rock-2.0.sm/SVN/ rock-test 17:33 < daja77> *gg* 17:36 < SMP> 2023 builds total, 1204 completed fine, 70 with errors. 17:37 < daja77> SMP: the gnome update? 17:37 < SMP> that, and autoconf 2.59, automake 1.8.3 17:37 < SMP> and gcc33. 17:38 < daja77> sigh 17:39 < mnemoc> SMP: qmail package should be file:// ? or it just can't exist? 17:39 < SMP> wait for the download/ reorg ... 17:40 < mnemoc> ok 17:50 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:37 < tfing> mnemoc: i think you can freely distribute the sources of qmail, but not binaries 18:37 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D5D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:39 < tfing> https://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html 18:45 < mnemoc> tfing: but our sources are .bz2 18:45 < tfing> hmm, that's right 18:45 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D750.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:46 < tfing> maybe so should get in touch with dj bernstein for that purpose 18:47 < mnemoc> is he available for that 'kind of things'? 18:51 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 18:54 < mnemoc> i'll ask to qmaildist@list.cr.yp.to 18:56 * netrunner found another example for his thesis: qt fails here because it is scheduled before mysql. that's what I want. now I know there is a scheduling problem. haven't realised this before. 18:58 < SMP> mnemoc: noone will be able to give you a satisfying answer 18:58 < mnemoc> :( 18:59 < mnemoc> no source|bin distribution is the only answer for us? 18:59 < SMP> I think we can mirror it as tbz2, but we can also avoid it after the download/ reorg. 19:00 < mnemoc> you see no problem in having qmail.desc ? 19:01 < SMP> no problem 19:01 < mnemoc> goood =) 19:15 < netrunner> rxr/daja77: something different. 19:18 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-2.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:25 < netrunner> rxr: could you please run a regression tester build with the pkginstalled change? 19:29 < blindy> hi 19:30 < MadTux> blindy: ! 19:31 < blindy> MadTux: ? 19:31 < MadTux> what can't i greet a good friend? 19:31 < netrunner> hi Maddy 19:32 < MadTux> hi nety! :) 19:32 < mnemoc> wb tuxie 19:34 < MadTux> thanks mnemocy 19:34 < blindy> MadTux: wasn't meant that way *huggle* 19:35 < MadTux> okis blindy, no worries :) 19:35 < blindy> ^^ 19:37 < MadTux> :P 20:20 < SMP> alanjwylie: any plans on your side to update chrony to 1.20? 20:40 < netrunner> https://www.levenez.com/unix/ ... we are missing :( 20:42 < SMP> we're definitely _not_ "missing" 20:44 < blindy> it's just that everyone else is incompatible with us :) 20:44 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-96.reverse.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:44 < blindy> btw. 20:45 < blindy> anyone got a clue what could make a game die after printing the splash screen on the console when using a really bare bones kernel? 20:45 < blindy> ie, what could be missing/ 20:48 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-96.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:49 < blindy> all the things I have is IDE/FLOPPY and ELF, ext2, virtual console, vga console and 256 ptys 20:49 < blindy> that's about all that is in my kernel 20:49 < blindy> what could be missing? 20:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB505.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:00 < fake> how does the game access the graphics hardware? 21:00 < fake> x11? fb? 21:04 < tcr> fake: sdl can both 21:06 < fake> tcr: yeah, but if he runs x, the category of problems might shift from kernel to x ;) 21:06 < tcr> No idea, just joined ;) 21:07 < fake> <blindy> anyone got a clue what could make a game die after printing the splash screen on the console when using a really bare bones kernel? 21:08 < fake> <blindy> all the things I have is IDE/FLOPPY and ELF, ext2, virtual console, vga console and 256 ptys 21:21 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M303P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 < blindy> fake: termcap 21:23 < blindy> the game's nethack 21:24 < blindy> and the floppy has got nothing but nethack, a kernel, a linuxrc, tar and bzip2 on it 21:25 < tcr> Put strace on it and run nethack with that 21:26 < blindy> sounds reasonable... 21:27 -!- nookie [~nookie@M202P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:27 < tcr> I'd say something's missing and this `something' just gets needed after screen initialization of nethack 21:42 < fake> sounds like curses? 21:52 < blindy> is curses 22:01 < blindy> hmm 22:01 < blindy> no syscalls in dietlibc?? 22:03 < Aard> blindy: -lcompat ? 22:04 < blindy> Aard: SYS_read undeclared 22:05 < blindy> Aard: SYS_write undeclared 22:05 < blindy> and so on 22:07 < Aard> hm. i have it in may version, but I can't remember if I added it... 22:07 < blindy> you don't, by any chance, have a statically linked strace lying around? 22:08 < Aard> no. strace with dietlibc is still todo. 22:08 < blindy> thought so :( 22:08 < blindy> ok, trying to compile nethack and strace with uclibc then... 22:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB505.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:09 < blindy> I somehow need to squeeze all that on a single 1.44MB floppy. 22:11 < blindy> and I think that all that's missing is something in the kernel 22:11 < mnemoc> re 22:22 < blindy> ok 22:22 < blindy> uclibc sucks 22:25 < fake> try that with netbsd ;) 22:25 < blindy> the OS image they provide comes without any development tools 22:26 < blindy> not even bzip2 22:26 < blindy> really usable >_< 22:26 < fake> that's what pkgsrc is for 22:26 < blindy> I mean uclibc 22:26 < fake> ah. 22:27 < blindy> hmm 22:27 < blindy> that the uwoody image I got there... 22:27 < blindy> trying the other one now 22:29 < mnemoc> blindy: how can you evaluate a libc due to an iso they provide?? 22:29 < blindy> mnemoc: well, the build-scripts they provide don't work, either... 22:29 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["leaving"] 22:30 < mnemoc> the libc does :-) 22:30 < blindy> so how am I supposed to evaluate it without killing my current system? 22:30 < mnemoc> and before binutils update rock build for it :) 22:31 < mnemoc> are you useing their 'toolchain'? 22:33 * mnemoc move to the 'almost'-top of his todo the rediff of uclibc patches 22:33 < blindy> ok, got strace to 72k 22:34 < blindy> mnemoc: that toolchain didn't work 22:34 < mnemoc> :( 22:34 < blindy> but the other filesystem iso did include compiler et al 22:34 < blindy> so now I have a 72k, statically linked, upx-compressed, in-memory-decompressing strace 22:35 < blindy> which barely fits on the floppy (1k free space left) 22:36 < mnemoc> oh 22:39 < blindy> interesting... 22:39 < blindy> please note, I have a statically linked nethack... 22:39 < blindy> and it wants to open {/usr,}/lib/libnss_compat.so.2 22:40 < blindy> and as it finds itself unable to do so, it segfaults 22:40 < blindy> but ok 22:40 < blindy> I guess it segfaults because: 22:40 < blindy> socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = -1 EAFNOSUPPORT 22:46 < mnemoc> you can't get free of nss_hit if you link against glibc 22:47 < blindy> hrmpf 22:47 < blindy> ok, gonna try linking nethack against uclibc tomorrow 22:47 < mnemoc> the worse part is that nss structure has changed 22:47 < blindy> dietlibc doesn't work yet 22:47 < mnemoc> then you can't run a glibc-2.3 static in a glibc-2.2 machine 22:48 < blindy> then what's static for on a glibc system anyway? 22:48 < blindy> anyway, I got a working compile system using uclibc 22:48 < blindy> going to try linking bzip2, tar and nethack against that tomorrow 22:48 < blindy> good night! 22:48 < mnemoc> uclibc is your friend :) 22:56 -!- rugek [~rugek@217.245.187.42] has joined #rocklinux 23:13 -!- rugek [~rugek@217.245.187.42] has quit ["leaving"] 23:14 < mnemoc> how do i execute a funcition in postgres?? :\ 23:15 < rxr> rehi 23:20 < mnemoc> hi rxr 23:20 < rxr> hi mnemoc 23:40 * rxr starting a gcc3 (3.4.0) only build ... 23:43 < mnemoc> rxr: gcc33->gcc3 when? 23:49 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-2.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:49 < holyolli> re 23:49 < rxr> mnemoc: some days 23:49 < rxr> just posted to the list 23:50 < mnemoc> any news about crontab? 23:50 < rxr> nope - I would need to review the original cron code - and I have never taken a look into it 23:50 < rxr> maybs soe Unix security geeks like SMP or clifford want to take a look 23:52 < rxr> oehm - multiple downloads do not work anymore? No lock ?!?!? 23:52 < rxr> strange 23:52 < mnemoc> can you suggest them to do something soon? --- Log closed Fri Apr 30 00:00:04 2004