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--- Log opened Fri May 07 00:00:02 2004 00:14 -!- kasc [~kasc@c-180-208-226.cvx-l.dial.de.ignite.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:18 -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:29 < esden> argh ... I was able to install rock 00:29 < esden> and it is now running on my main box 00:30 < esden> but I had my problems with rockplug because it is not really documented ... beside the very basic stuff 00:30 < esden> and the file /etc/config/sound file is missing that is listed in the documentation 00:30 < owl> hi esden 00:30 < esden> hi owl 00:31 < esden> ping rxr 00:31 < menomc> hi esdentem 00:31 < esden> hi menomc 00:32 < valentin> esden:rxr is phoning me.. 00:32 < rxr> hi esden 00:32 < menomc> hi valentin 00:32 < esden> hi rxr 00:32 < valentin> hi 00:32 < esden> rxr: read above 00:32 < esden> netrunner: is always telling a half trouth ;) 00:33 < rxr> the sound file is intended to be created ... ;-) 00:33 < rxr> but I thought about make cat /etc/config/sound <<-EOT 00:33 < rxr> SOUND_SYSTEM=ALSA 00:33 < rxr> EOT 00:34 < rxr> the default ... 00:34 < esden> and I also had problems with rocknet ... with netmask ... it is also not documented enough ... the example in stone is telling 192.168.1.10 or so ... but it is not telling how to set a netmask ... I needed a bit to find out that I am supposed to add /24 or so to set a netmask 00:34 < esden> rxr: that would be nice ... and in the headers of that files there should be some more verbosive information 00:35 < rxr> ah - but this are all just tiny usability / documentation changes 00:35 < esden> for example the *.usermap header 00:35 < rxr> ok - I put it on my TODO ... 00:36 < esden> it is telling that the format is just like pcimap ... but wtf is pcimap ... I also needed some time to find out that it is simply the stuff in /usr/lib/<kernelver>/kernel.pcimap 00:36 < rxr> esden: you could have send in such tiny documentation usability fixing stuff 00:36 < esden> and that I have to copy the lines in there 00:36 < rxr> okok ;-) 00:36 < rxr> I need food and continue an article ... 00:36 < rxr> (ROCK article - do document stuff and do PR ...) 00:37 * esden sends a hamburger royal ts to rxr ... I got it for free today at mcdonalds ... because I had to wait for my another quaterpounder 00:38 < esden> so you can have it ;) 00:38 < rxr> oeh - to bad there are no transporters yet - but thanks 00:38 < rxr> esden: maybe you can spare one at the next rock devel meeting you attend ;-) 00:38 < rxr> *g* 00:38 < esden> hehe 00:38 < esden> sure ;) 00:40 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95F251F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:40 < owl> hi bluefire 00:41 < rxr> esden: so you do not leave in favour of gentoo? 00:45 < rxr> mplayer: 00:45 < rxr> Checking for cdparanoia ... yes 00:45 < rxr> aha ?!?! 00:45 < rxr> Checking for Samba support (libsmbclient) ... no 00:46 < rxr> mplayer checks for interesting things ... 00:49 < tfing> rxr: mplayer can play over smb 00:49 < tfing> mplayer smb://machine/share/file.avi 00:53 < rxr> why does any program need net-fs functionality? 00:53 < rxr> mplayer /mnt/net/windows-whatever ... 00:53 < rxr> or use fuse (userspace FS) stuff ... 00:54 < rxr> adding smb to any ohter userspac process is a bit bloated ... 00:54 < menomc> mount smb stuff doesn't work as well as it should 00:55 < rxr> you mean ad-hoc workstation stuff? 00:55 < menomc> but yes, it is a bit bloated 00:55 < menomc> once i mounted iis-root on a linux to do ftp there 00:56 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD95F251F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:56 < menomc> but it use to self-umount and not remount :\ 00:56 < menomc> well.. the whole idea sucked :) 00:57 < rxr> == 05/05/04 00:53:55 =[5]=> Finished building package mplayer. 00:58 < rxr> oh - good it works (gcc-3.4) 00:58 < rxr> so I can do my movie break now - cu 00:59 < esden> rxr: no I don't 00:59 < esden> but to be honest I was thinking about it 00:59 < esden> at least I thought about testing it 01:00 < fake> cool, we're all certified evil: https://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/06/1325231.shtml?tid=126&tid=95 01:00 < owl> bye rxr 01:00 < esden> but I have not found boot diskets for installing it so I did not take that step 01:02 < esden> muahaha ... that is nice ... 01:02 < esden> thanks for the link fake 01:03 < owl> *g* cool. hi pirats! 01:05 < fake> i almost died of laughing yesterday: https://home.t-online.de/home/killa-bee/Klausur/Klausur.html 01:08 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-054.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:19 < esden> lol ... nice ... I love anime like informatic tests ;) 01:21 < owl> *hrhr* poor boy who loves anime 01:27 * fake still evaluating SIP softphones 01:30 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, rolla, togg, StefanG, LowLander 01:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: togg 01:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: StefanG 01:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rolla 01:32 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:33 -!- owl [~owl@D7130.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:33 < owl> re 01:33 < owl> freenode loves us all 01:34 < fake> just because they don't know us 01:34 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:34 < menomc> why? 01:35 < owl> yeah. if they knew us they would run away and screem out loudly 01:35 < menomc> =) 01:35 < owl> hi jsaw 01:36 < jsaw> hi all 01:37 * jsaw loves Xinerama with two 21" monitors 01:38 < fake> owl understands me ;) 01:38 < fake> jsaw: *envies* 01:39 < esden> jsaw: who doesn't ... but even better is Xinerama with _three_ 21" monitors ;) 01:39 < jsaw> (here in the institute everybody replaces his CRTs with LCDs, so I just grabed another one...) 01:39 < jsaw> esden: :) 01:40 < esden> jsaw: the same happens at our institute here ... and I really have no more place to put the crt's I get ... I started to say that I have no space ... ;) 01:41 < esden> but they are still asking if I need any monitor's ;) 01:41 < fake> hm, hannes_ has a while bunch of 21" fixed frequency CRTs, but i'm fed of them 01:41 < owl> if you find a monitor for a DEC alpha... --> here 01:41 < fake> s/while/whole/ 01:41 < fake> owl: what type of monitor is that? 01:41 < owl> fake: i dunno. i also don't know what alpha i have... would have to have a look... 01:42 < esden> ROFL 01:42 < esden> owl: you are amazing! 01:42 < owl> esden: *kick* 01:42 < esden> :P 01:42 < owl> i have it since a while, but it has no serial port and i have no monitor for it... so... 01:43 < jsaw> damn, I should go on writing my presentation, only 9.5h left... 01:43 < fake> jsaw: good luck... 01:44 < owl> jsaw: enjoy it *vbeg* 01:44 -!- LowLander [erwin@p54802E70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:44 < fake> hi erwin 01:45 < LowLander> hmm crappy disconnects 01:45 < owl> moin LowLander 01:45 < jsaw> thanks, it's just our internal "learn to present" seminar (no bosses allowed ;-) 01:48 < rxr> hi jsaw 01:49 < rxr> jsaw: I just tried to write an arcticle in a day 01:49 < rxr> not that easy ... to produce s.th. valuable in that time ... 01:52 < fake> "Das Projekt ist genehmigt" 01:52 < fake> cool. rock linux live cd has been accepted 01:52 < owl> congrats 01:53 < fake> i will have to hand in 12 - 16 pages of documentation on 14th of may 01:53 < jsaw> rxr: my boss always tells us: if u need more than 2h to prepare a talk (for sth. like an department internal talk), you're doin something wrong... 01:54 < jsaw> rxr: ... but he doesn't tell us how long he himself would need 01:54 < SMP> fake: Rene counted Rock scripts as > 7k SLOC. that's a lot of choice for you :> 01:54 < owl> .oO(boss.......) 01:54 < jsaw> owl: hehe 01:56 < owl> a: "this programming language is wonderful" - b: "could you please help me?" a:"sorry, i don't know. have never written an app in this programming language" <- "BOSS" --> waaaaah! 01:57 < jsaw> btw, he'd kill me if he'd know I do it with latex... 01:57 < owl> why? O_o 01:58 < fake> SMP: specific for the live cd support... that's the problem :( 01:58 < SMP> fake: would they notice? ;> 01:58 < jsaw> owl: die hard windozer /\/\> die hard linuxer 01:58 < fake> *g* 01:58 < owl> ok O_o 01:59 < owl> oha. ghost-town... @dm..... 02:00 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm138.sigma49.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 02:00 < owl> hi cchamilt 02:00 < cchamilt> hi 02:03 < esden> hi cchamilt 02:03 < cchamilt> hi esden 02:03 < cchamilt> I have been redoing my backup system. 02:04 < cchamilt> Bacula (and almost everything for linux) sucks. 02:04 < esden> hmm ... damn mplayer ... needs years to compile >_< ... and I want to watch that damn doom3 trailer 02:04 < esden> >_< 02:04 < SMP> esden: URL? 02:04 < SMP> hi cchamilt ... 02:04 < cchamilt> Really thinking I should rsync or scp and tar things. 02:04 < cchamilt> hi smp 02:05 < SMP> cchamilt: www.rsnapshot.org ? 02:06 < cchamilt> yeah, I really wanted a cool adminstration layout. But the throughput and lack of error checking/correcting in awlful. 02:06 < esden> SMP: https://www.doom3.com/video/trailer_small.mov 02:06 < cchamilt> in/is 02:06 < SMP> thx 02:06 * SMP using trailer_large.mov :-> 02:07 < cchamilt> thanks, smp I might try it. 02:07 < esden> omg ... yes right ;) 02:07 < cchamilt> What do you get throughput-wise for network tape backup? 02:08 < cchamilt> I am getting 1mb/s for 100mb.s switch and 65kb/s openvpn on raw wlan. 02:08 < SMP> cchamilt: Bakula _looked_ like the best thing so far, but I could imagine its shortcomings simply from reading the documentation 02:09 < cchamilt> If a node goes down, it freezes the backup process for it and everything else waiting to use that storage. 02:09 < rxr> SMP: this rsnapshot page is nearly unreadable - who on earth does choose such colors ?!?!?! 02:09 < cchamilt> It reports the error way later, does not try to recover backing up the node, and then just sits there. 02:10 < cchamilt> Spooling is seriously broken, I dont think the guy can code well. It goes into negative numbers and general cant keep track of the actual spooling process. 02:10 < SMP> rxr: I find it perfectly readable, albeit neither very comfortable nor aesthetically pleasing 02:12 < cchamilt> It hangs the director processes when spooling dies, no recovery. Without spooling and its throughput the thing shoe-shines my tapes way too much. 02:13 < cchamilt> I am 4 days into initial backup of 122GB and have only gone through 1.5 66GB tapes storing less than 40GB of it. 02:16 < valentin> esden: there is even a trailer_large.mov thoug it does not seem to be linked from the main page 02:17 < esden> valentin: yes ... I realised that too ;) 02:17 < esden> but it is really big ... 40MB ... nice ;) 02:18 < esden> I mean SMP made that clear ;) 02:18 < cchamilt> rxr: what do you think of the rotat fix? 02:18 < valentin> esden: must have overread it 02:27 < owl> <- going to count sheeeeeeps 02:27 < owl> gn8 02:27 < rxr> SMP: maybe it is due to a TFT here ... 02:27 -!- owl [~owl@D7130.d.pppool.de] has quit ["counting sheeps"] 02:28 < rxr> oeh - hi valentin 02:41 < esden> humm ... very nice trailer ... 02:42 < valentin> esden: no, too much cutscenes and not much continuos gameplay 02:42 < esden> yes ... but it is better then nothing ... 02:42 < esden> I really look forward to that game ... 02:43 < esden> very nice frustration killer ;) 02:43 < esden> and colourfull ;) 02:43 < valentin> i've seen a video one year ago with about 5 min gameplay of DIII 02:43 < esden> ohh really? 02:43 < esden> where? 02:43 < valentin> the physics are quite impressing 02:43 < valentin> it was an amateur video filmed on a gaming fair 02:44 < esden> oh ok 02:44 < valentin> i have it on one of my harddiscs 02:44 < esden> can you make it avalable somehow? 02:45 < fake> multicast? *g* 02:45 < valentin> i'm just googling - perhabs i find the link. otherwise i have to find the hd 02:46 < esden> fake: we should set up a multicast tv channel for rock ... ;) 02:47 < valentin> hm, there are many hits for doom3 and e3 and video, but thats all trailers 02:47 * fake still investigating SIP 02:48 < esden> rofl "GPS Cell Phone in Soda Can Form" 02:48 * fake gets his gps-mice today 02:53 < fake> i wonder how they got the recievers to work in a can 02:53 < esden> that is a good question 02:54 < esden> other thing ... there is an article about a self ajusting adidas shoe ... I reall have the feeling as if I landed in the film "back to the future 2" or so ;) 02:56 < fake> hehe 02:57 < valentin> esden: think i found part of the video on the net - but its wmf so i can't verify its the same one i've seen 02:57 < valentin> https://www.gamecenter.cz:8888/filecenter4/doom3.zip 02:59 < valentin> full video is said to be 11 min in lenght 02:59 < esden> valentin: thanks 03:00 < valentin> https://www.aixgaming.com/archives/2002_05.html 03:01 < valentin> gg:doom3 e3 shakey cam 03:02 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! 03:03 < rxr> E.S.Raymond is right CUPS stinks 03:03 < rxr> such a sh*t 03:03 < esden> humm? 03:03 < esden> easy rxr easy 03:03 < rxr> I do lpr_cups some.txt and this sh*t f*cking filter does not break long lines 03:03 < rxr> what should I do with such a crippled printout .... 03:04 < esden> make "papierflieger"+ 03:04 < esden> ? 03:05 < rxr> even a2ps is more inteligent: 03:05 < rxr> $ a2ps rock-article.txt -o rock-article.ps 03:05 < rxr> [rock-article.txt (plain): 5 pages on 3 sheets] 03:05 < rxr> [Total: 5 pages on 3 sheets] saved into the file `rock-article.ps' 03:05 < rxr> [96 lines wrapped] 03:05 * rxr should not start to trust pseudo user-friendly software 03:15 < valentin> last one for today (page with very big movies) 03:15 < valentin> https://www.3dgamers.com/games/doom3/ 03:23 < valentin> hm, sox is not endianess save 03:27 < valentin> sox sucks 03:30 < rxr> yeah - it is not GSMP - it must suck 03:30 < rxr> oh - wrong channel ;-() 03:30 < rxr> https://gsmp.rocklinux-consulting.de ... 03:31 < valentin> anyone out there sox installed on an x86 ? 03:32 < rxr> maybe here isn't anyone out here with x86 ... 03:32 < valentin> hehe 03:32 < rxr> oh - my ROCK Linux Cluster simulation is still running ... 03:32 < valentin> well, i could boot kerstins athlon 03:32 < rxr> you could use heap 03:32 < valentin> sox not installed 03:32 < valentin> ok, i could do so 03:33 < rxr> any you could log into thesun - but it is big-endian either ... 03:33 < rxr> but 64 bit ;-) 03:33 < valentin> so i guess sox will f*ck*p there, too 03:35 < rxr> hey - maybe it f*ck*p there even more ... 03:36 < rxr> isn't sox cli only? cutting and such? 03:36 < rxr> for what do you need it? 03:36 < rxr> You could create a cli interface to the GSMP framwork within some days - and have an endianness and 64bit aware version ... 03:37 < rxr> hm - xemacs-beta does crash inside xm during app quit: 03:37 < rxr> #12 0x0fbd2a08 in XtDestroyWidget () from /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6 03:37 < valentin> yes it is - gnophone makefile needs it - to convert 2 .wav files into .raw files 03:37 * valentin reading sox code 03:37 < rxr> omg 03:38 < rxr> oh - I hope you do not get sick of it ... 03:38 < rxr> damn it get's harder to keep my eyes open ... 03:38 < esden> ohh my holy jesus ... doom3 is using human readable text files to store _everithing_ beside bitmaps and sound files 03:39 < esden> so starting the game will be like ... "please wait sucking a dvd worth of data to ram" 03:39 < esden> ill ... simply ill 03:40 < valentin> esden: no, this is very cool because it alows you to create addons and stuff 03:40 < esden> yes sure ... but all the development software is integrated in the game binary ... so I really do not understand why should datafiles be in text format 03:40 < esden> that is only bloat 03:41 < valentin> i guess they compress the .txt like they did for quake 03:41 < valentin> and the sript language of quake was compiled into binary, too 03:42 < valentin> script language 03:42 < esden> that is even worse ... so I need a compression coprocessor so that the game starts in a reasonable time ;) 03:42 < esden> yes I know 03:42 < esden> that will be in doom III too 03:42 < esden> but the language will be more powerfull 03:42 < esden> at least carmac is saying that 03:43 < valentin> yes, and thats cool - it enables you to hack your own game into d3 :) 03:43 < esden> hehe ... but I am sure he will not yet beat our system ... *vbeg* 03:46 < valentin> btw: will doom3 run in wine ? ;) 03:46 < SMP> valentin: the question is - how many years after its release will it ... 03:50 < valentin> as i guessed, on x86 sox works 03:50 < esden> hmm ... i do not find anything about os in the doom faq sites 03:51 < esden> only that it will probably work on xbox ... :( 03:51 < valentin> with the same graphics ? 03:51 < esden> no I do not think so ... 03:52 < rxr> hm - parasym still running ... 03:52 < esden> I really do not think that xbox is anything but performant enough to run the full featured 3d engine 03:53 < esden> carmac says that it will run with all features enabled at 60fps on the newest gfx cards avalable at the moment of the release 03:53 < esden> so xbox will be too old to run the engine for sure 03:54 < rxr> I guess there will be a seperate Linux binary - as there was for most (all?) id games in the recent past ... 03:55 < valentin> but most of those ports appeared years after. 03:55 < esden> yes that is what I think too 03:56 < esden> it is understandable ... it is really hard to get such a software run with all the avalable distros .. or at least with most of them 03:56 < rxr> valentin: I remember differently ... 03:56 < fake> esden: do you have a second? 03:56 < valentin> rxr: doom3 was the only game that was shiped for linux by id software 03:56 < rxr> one problem with D3 might be that OpenGL does not support the pixel shader and such fully 03:57 < valentin> s/doom3/quake3 03:57 < rxr> but - hm - I guess the ATI and NVidia ones export them 03:57 < rxr> valentin: yes - but for the other binaries have been available 03:57 < rxr> JC even once said he is coding under Linux ... 03:57 < esden> fake: sure 03:57 < valentin> but long after the releases 03:58 < rxr> this was w/ the DOS games - where Linux was not that popular 03:58 < valentin> anyway 03:58 < rxr> yeah - anyway 03:58 < valentin> need some sleep now 03:58 < rxr> I send the article as it is now 03:58 < rxr> I can not read clearly anymore ... 03:59 < valentin> .oO 03:59 < fake> esden: do you have a SIP ua? 03:59 < valentin> gnophone still does not compile 03:59 < rxr> I'm up for 20 hours now ... 03:59 * fake can't seem to get sipomatic to work 04:00 < fake> esden: e.g. linphone, kphone, whatever 04:00 < esden> fake: sorry ... no 04:00 < fake> np 04:00 < fake> then i'll try to hurt sipomatic 04:00 * rxr now running the parasym on a x86 2.5 Ghz box - my iBook is still crunching on the 1 one job pass - damn slow 04:00 * valentin -> bed 04:01 < rxr> cu valentin 04:04 < SMP> fake: hmm, never had problems with sipomatic 04:06 < rxr> oh - cool - now I see a real use for this esoteric gcc inline assembler syntax for the first time 04:06 < rxr> I need to keep up so long more often to have such enlightenments ... 04:06 < rxr> hm - with all those many packages the parasim got really slow 04:10 < fake> SMP: it's not sipomatic's fault, as i just noted. damn 1&1 nameserver is misconfigured 04:11 < fake> can someone tell me why their nameserver insists that fake.rapidnetworks.de doesn't exist? 04:14 < SMP> answer: fake.rapidnetworks.de 3600 CNAME fake.rapidnet.ath.cx 04:14 < SMP> dnsq a fake.rapidnet.ath.cx ns1.dyndns.org 04:14 < SMP> 1 fake.rapidnet.ath.cx: 04:14 < SMP> 99 bytes, 1+0+1+0 records, response, authoritative, nxdomain 04:15 < SMP> because Dyndns.org claims fake.rapidnet.ath.cx does not exist 04:15 < fake> huh 04:16 < rxr> ack 04:16 < rxr> oh - yeah athlon finished 1 job pass 04:16 < fake> (a shiny light glows up in my head) aaaah 04:16 < rxr> maybe I should rewrite the parasim in C++ ... 04:17 < fake> who the hell set that fake.rapidnet.ath.cx? the 'fake' is useless... hrmpf 04:24 < fake> hm, sipomatic only sends 'Ringing' and then sleeps 04:27 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p548039CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:27 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801BFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:31 < esden> damn wmv codec ... it is crashing 04:31 < esden> or even better damn windows programmers that do not know what memory leaks and access violations are >_< 04:33 < esden> ohh ... ok ... sorry ... that was the quicktime codec that failed not wmv 04:33 < esden> >_< 04:33 < rxr> hm - parasim on the 2.5Ghz Athlon is nearly 11 faster compared to my 800Mhz iBook 04:34 < rxr> and the athlon has gcc-3.2.x and the iBook gcc-3.4.0 ... :-( 04:34 < esden> better optimization? 04:49 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0A3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:49 < demian> hiho 04:50 < rxr> hi dmian 05:29 < rxr> oh my is it late 05:29 < rxr> or early 05:30 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M375P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 05:30 < demian> hi rxr , nookie_ 05:46 < rxr> ohje - my humble daylight rythm get outa sync ... 05:46 -!- nookie [~nookie@M241P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:47 < demian> cya 05:50 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0A3F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux [] 07:27 < BoS> moin 07:36 < esden> rxr: yours too? ;) 07:36 < esden> wooow ... engage is beautyfull!!!! 07:36 < esden> woow 07:37 < esden> I am overwhelmed 07:37 < esden> it needs work ... but slowly I can live with a intel laptop ;) 10:05 < netrunner> moin 10:07 < daja77> moin 10:12 < netrunner> hi dejay :) 10:12 * netrunner wonders why one does not forbid mothers to read their children good-night stories. 10:12 < netrunner> would help them later to stay awake in lectures. 10:14 < daja77> O_o 10:16 < valentin> moin 10:17 < daja77> moin valentin & netrunner 10:25 < netrunner> https://decay.franken.de/stories/transmission_error *g* 10:57 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D84D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:57 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-134.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:13 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D8FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14 -!- Aard [~bwachter@lart.info] has joined #rocklinux 11:16 -!- LowLander [erwin@p54802E70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:17 -!- Lorini_ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:32 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF0BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:37 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-072-071.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:41 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-019-219.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:43 < BoS> re 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-85.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:51 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-45.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:51 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:53 < esden> hi ho everyone 11:56 -!- netrunne1 is now known as the_one 11:56 < the_one> hi esden 11:56 -!- the_one is now known as netrunner 11:57 < netrunner> juhu, my prog produces windows :) 12:02 < netrunner> haha, and now it goes away :) 12:04 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 12:24 -!- link_ is now known as sbx 12:25 -!- sbx [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 12:26 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 12:55 -!- owl [~owl@D7172.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:55 < owl> moin 12:59 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD95229EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:18 < rxr> moin 13:18 < daja77> moin rxr 13:19 < owl> hi rxr , daja77 13:19 < nzg> moin 13:19 < owl> hi nzg 13:21 < daja77> the first kde package is failing :) 13:23 < netrunner> hm, If I do not install my recent p3 build really fast, it will be out of date in no time ;) 13:24 < daja77> for sure 13:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M317P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:33 < netrunner> damn, this stupid menubar always overlaps my groupbox :( 13:33 * netrunner fighting with qt 13:35 < owl> hi netrunner 13:35 < owl> and nookie 13:35 < rxr> Suse warnt in einem Security-Advisory, dass die Live CD der Suse Linux 9.1 Personal Edition Root-Zugang via SSH ohne Passwort erlaubt. 13:36 < rxr> Wow. 13:36 < daja77> yeah got that mail yesterday *rofl* 13:37 < netrunner> hi owl 13:37 < owl> are they always sending warnings, if they produce crap? 13:37 < daja77> best thing is they explain cos this is alive cd they cannot patch it only work around, they could have been so fair to let ppl remaster that crap 13:38 < daja77> owl: yes they do, and normally supplying ptaches 13:38 < daja77> patches even 13:38 < owl> O_o 13:39 < owl> do they own a QA-team? 13:40 < daja77> why are you so surprised by that 13:40 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD95229EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 13:42 < owl> could someone explain me following thing: 13:42 < owl> how to work 8 hours + use the train 4 hours, if you're not even able to concentrate yourselfe long enough for reading a book more than half an hour? 13:44 < nzg> to few ritalin 13:44 < nzg> ;-) 13:45 < nzg> if one is willing to concentrate one can, mybe books don't have his priority 13:45 < nzg> s/mybe/maybe 13:46 < owl> ritalin? 13:46 < owl> normally not, if you have a depression... 13:47 < nzg> in that case, get the depression away, try to cheer you up 13:49 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M375P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:49 < owl> haha. i'm trying. but it gets worse - not better... and those f**** a******* from the hospital gave me the wrong medicamentation... --> doesn't help. and those even more f***** psychiater have their first free date in mid of june... *grmpf* 13:50 < nzg> exposure to sunlight and expierence of nature can help also 13:51 < nzg> a walk through the forest always gets my mind free 13:51 < owl> i will go to sunlight... in about 2 weeks. nature - hmm... horse-back riding 2 - 3 times a week... and riding a bicylce sometimes (also in the forest) 13:51 < nzg> or fix the reason of the depressions 13:52 < owl> *hrhr* life. so - i need a weapon 13:52 -!- netcrow_ [~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ["leaving"] 13:53 < nzg> take a look at the anarchist cookbook, there are many nice weapons 13:53 < nzg> most of them work 13:54 < nzg> but violence is no solution (sounds like a priest, I know) 13:54 < owl> hmmm. but i don't want to do this, cuz of my boyfriend 13:54 < nzg> to do what? 13:54 < owl> violence? nah - just commiting suicide , but no violence ;p 13:55 < LowLander> and remeber, when violence doesn't help, try it with more violence 13:55 < nzg> flee away of problems instead of solving them 13:55 < owl> nah :p 13:55 < nzg> LowLander: ;-) mostly right 13:55 < owl> yep. but what will you solve? it all happened in the past. nowadays i have just the symptoms 13:56 < nzg> then make your peace with the past, accept what happened and learn from it 13:58 < LowLander> ok time to write some more bills :-) 13:59 < nzg> LowLander: eeh, reminds me of doing my tax-stuff 13:59 < LowLander> i gave my tax stuff to my "steuerberater" already 14:00 < owl> lazy men 14:00 < nzg> not enough money for a "steuerberater" ;-) 14:00 < nzg> why lazy 14:01 < LowLander> as a freelancer i just have to much tax "stuff" to do myself 14:01 < LowLander> rather pay for it than doing it worng 14:02 < nzg> ACK, it's too much, but my last income went on my drivers-license and soon i want a car 14:03 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD95229EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 < nzg> owl: fighting smptoms is no solution at all 14:04 < owl> nzg: hmm. what then? 14:05 < nzg> option one: forget the reasons -> causes them to live in your subconsciousness and come back when you are in bad mood 14:06 < netrunner> ahuuuu :) https://www.masturbateforpeace.com/ 14:06 < owl> netrunner: ?!?!?!?! 14:07 < nzg> option two: rethink about the reasons and live your live with your experiences, doesn't take the memory away but can take the symptoms away and requires much energy 14:08 < nzg> netrunner: what a crap ;-) 14:08 < owl> yeah... but i guess option two just works with support of an therapeut. 14:08 < owl> *hrhrhr* nzg - full ack :p 14:08 < nzg> can work without if really wanted 14:09 < owl> hmm. at least i wasn't able to stop depression coming up again time to time, till almost 10 years. 14:10 < owl> and borderline... hmm. just can stop - sometimes for weeks/month self-injuring 14:11 < nzg> what if you try not to get overmanned by the thrive to injure your self but reflect why you want to do it 14:11 * LowLander checks the channel name again 14:12 < LowLander> hmm still #rocklinux 14:12 < nzg> i mean the only thing a therapist does is giving you guidance on how to solve your problems 14:12 < owl> i want to do it, because it helps me. i don't feel the pressure then... and my depression gets a bit better for some hours... especially after a "nervenzusammenbruch" (and i don't feel something if i hurt myself) 14:13 < owl> hmm. depents on the kind of therpy. e.g. "tiefenpsychologisch" is quite ok for me... it goes much deeper than the usual behavioural therapy 14:14 < nzg> don't you have other ventiles for releasing the pressure 14:15 < owl> nope. i also tried boxing into a sandsack in the hospital - didn't help. riding the bicycle - doesn't help. playing guitar - doesn't help 14:15 < nzg> being together with your boyfriend should help 14:16 < owl> hmmm. in what day? 14:16 < owl> s/day/way 14:16 < nzg> people whom you can trust in generally can help simply by their presence 14:17 < nzg> trust gives you "unterbewustsein" the cance to relax 14:17 < nzg> s/cance/chance 14:17 < owl> hmmm. it helps at least so much that i feel not alone anymore 14:18 * netrunner considers buying an ibook 12" 14:19 < nzg> and since you trust them, speaking with them about your problems can be 10 times as effective as speaking to the psychatist 14:20 < owl> hmm. i can't speak about my problems with my bf or so 14:20 < nzg> why? 14:21 < nzg> normally you should be able to speak especially with them, who else can you trust? 14:22 < owl> hmm. dunno. i'm normally "ueberspielen" everything, if i'm speaking aobut my problems - so that it looks, like i would have no problems... dunno... 14:22 < nzg> k, there may be the fear that they dismiss you afterwards, but hey wasn't the friendship a farce in that case 14:22 < owl> even at the therpists i'm doin' the sam 14:23 < nzg> not people without problems are strong, people standing to their problems are strong 14:23 < owl> yeah... but - i dunno... it's hard... and i know that he wouldn't dismiss... but... 14:23 < owl> s/sam/same 14:23 < owl> hmm. depends ;) 14:25 < nzg> by the way, showing yourself as completly integer may make people going on distance 14:25 < owl> integer? 14:27 < nzg> "Integer" eh "eigenständige, geschlossene, problemfreie, unabhängige persönlichkeit" 14:28 < nzg> dont know how to describe it in good english 14:28 < owl> hehe. you mean a person who is schizoid *vbeg* - hmm. depends ;) my bf will surely not go away and the other people - which other people? 14:29 < nzg> maybe parents, friends 14:29 < owl> hmm. friends- n/a (in reality), parents - won't go away 14:30 < nzg> hmm 14:31 < nzg> i will be offline now, since I'm going to a weekend-boat trip with my school, so i should be back about sunday evening 14:31 < nzg> cya 14:31 < owl> oh. enjoy it. have fun. bye *waves* 14:32 < nzg> bye, and try to experience something happy too, thx 14:32 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-134-134.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["kanutour auf lahn!"] 14:55 < menomc> moin 14:58 < rolla> re 14:58 < menomc> re rolla 14:58 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@pD95229EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:02 < rxr> rehi 15:04 < menomc> re rxr 15:05 < rxr> hi menomc 15:05 < menomc> rxr: if i use a file to set values of a prop of svn, should i preserve it? 15:05 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 15:05 < rxr> preserve the file ? 15:06 < mnemoc> can i delete it after propset? 15:06 < rxr> yes - definetly 15:06 < mnemoc> great :) 15:06 < rxr> the property are then stored in the .svn entries - and when comitted in the server database ... 15:08 < mnemoc> new thunderbird icon is cute :) 15:09 < rxr> URL ? 15:09 < mnemoc> rxr: i just discovered svn status :) 15:10 < mnemoc> https://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/releases/ 15:12 < rxr> ouh 15:14 < mnemoc> uhm.... wth is strlen defined? 15:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:18 < rxr> string.h 15:18 < rxr> man strlen ... 15:18 < mnemoc> it's on bits/string.h but string.h doesn't include it! wtf! :\ 15:18 < mnemoc> this is odd 15:18 < rxr> a ROCK system ? 15:19 < mnemoc> yep 15:19 < rxr> oehm - which version? 15:19 < mnemoc> 2.0-snapshot 15:20 < rxr> hm 15:20 * mnemoc adding #include <bits/string.h> by hand to <string.h> 15:22 < owl> is there somewhere an overview where the ROCKCFG_* variables are explained? 15:22 < owl> s/overview/docu 15:23 < daja77> in the Documentation directory iirc 15:24 * rxr is so dump 15:24 < mnemoc> each config.in has a .hlp file 15:24 < rxr> should have ... 15:24 < mnemoc> rxr: ? 15:24 < daja77> re 15:24 < mnemoc> re daja77! :) 15:24 < daja77> hi mnemoc :) 15:25 < owl> ahh... k. so in scripts instead of Documentation? thx 15:25 < rxr> I extra intended to build a ppc 2.6.5 kernel without preemption 15:25 < rxr> and ended to not save the .config aroudn 4 o'clock last night and now have a preemtion enabled kernel again ... 15:25 < rxr> :-( 15:25 < mnemoc> :) 15:25 * rxr rebuildign again 15:26 < mnemoc> today .config will be better :) 15:26 < daja77> rxr: what article di you write? 15:27 < rxr> ROCK Linux 2.0 15:27 < rxr> freeX 15:27 < rxr> if all goes well it will be an article series of 2 or hopefully 3 arcticles 15:27 < daja77> nice 15:27 < daja77> paid? 15:27 < rxr> where the article 2 will include a ROCK CD ... 15:27 < daja77> cool 15:28 < daja77> one? minimal target or special sth? 15:28 < rxr> I hope so (regarding paid question) 15:28 < daja77> :) 15:29 < rxr> anyone experience with this firefox thing = 15:29 < rxr> the source is still quite big and seems to include the whole motilla 15:29 < rxr> mozilla 15:29 < rxr> (what is up with my writing today .... - wondering) 15:29 < rxr> does it build quicker than mozilla? 15:29 < mnemoc> rxr: i use it on windows :) 15:29 < rxr> is it possible to link it against a system libgecko.so ? 15:30 < mnemoc> i hope so 15:30 < daja77> rxr: you type motilla quite often ^^ 15:32 < mnemoc> 't' is not near 'z' here :) 15:32 < rxr> mnemoc: here, too ;-) 15:32 < mnemoc> :) 15:44 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, string.h was right... i just patched the wrong file :\ 15:44 < rxr> ouch 15:48 < mnemoc> aarg... svn ps svn:ignore is not additive :( 15:48 < mnemoc> i'll have to use .svnignore anyway 15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: hm ? 15:49 < mnemoc> svn ps svn:ignore .svnignore . 15:50 < mnemoc> oh, i forgot *.patch files.... svn ps svn:ignore '*.patch' * 15:50 < rxr> what are you doing over there ? 15:51 < mnemoc> but yes... considering it's a property, additive is senseless 15:51 < rxr> you mean you want to accumulate the things you set? 15:52 < rxr> just use svn propget the get the old stuff (into a file) add the new entry - propset it ... 15:52 < mnemoc> ignoring src.* *.patch download and build from one ROCK-tree root 15:52 < mnemoc> oh... that's the way. thanks :) 15:52 < rxr> (the official trunk has svn:ignore properties 15:52 < rxr> too bad they to not propagate thru submaster) 15:52 < rxr> mnemoc: no problem ;-) 15:53 < mnemoc> it could be nice if they propagate ;) 15:56 < rxr> the trunk has svn:ignore : 15:56 < rxr> download 15:56 < rxr> config 15:56 < rxr> src 15:56 < rxr> src.* 15:56 < rxr> build 15:59 < owl> urgs. someone ever tried to flash the bios (from a notebook eg) via vmware? does this work??? not really, or am i wrong? 16:00 < mnemoc> i _hope_ not 16:00 < daja77> O_o you what? 16:00 < tfing> you could flash the virtual bios of the virtual machine maybe :) 16:00 < rxr> owl: this should most probably not work 16:00 < mnemoc> rxr: i have some of my config/ in svn :) 16:00 < rxr> does not 16:01 < owl> juhu. then i have to install windows? 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WAAAAH *scream* 16:01 < rxr> owl: most bioses are flashed via a bootable disk or cd 16:01 < rxr> some Asus flash CDs even use freedos ... 16:01 < mnemoc> asus have a windows tool to update bios :) 16:01 < owl> https://www.asus.it/support/english/techref/winflash/index.aspx 16:01 < rxr> I have not yet encountered a BIOS flash tool for windows - wonder 16:02 < rxr> I bet they can still be flased from dos or similar 16:02 < owl> hmm. at least there are no such tools... :( 16:06 < mnemoc> C question: if "vdomain::vdomain(const pwentry& user)" is this cast ok: domain = new vdomain( (pwentry &) *pw); ? 16:08 < rxr> you are cheating - this is a C++ question ... 16:09 < mnemoc> :) 16:10 < mnemoc> const pwentry* pw <--- forgot that part 16:11 < mnemoc> i got absolutly confused with that damn & :\ 16:11 < mnemoc> please? :( 16:12 < rxr> I do not get you - have you found out - or do you still have a question ? 16:12 < valentin> mnemoc: so what is your question 16:13 < mnemoc> domain = new vdomain(*pw); <--- fail on gcc33 16:13 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' 16:13 < valentin> mnemoc: type of domain ? 16:13 < mnemoc> vdomain::vdomain(const pwentry& user) <--- vdomain closed constructor 16:14 < mnemoc> const pwentry* pw <--- declaration of pw 16:14 < mnemoc> i need the right cast :\ 16:14 < valentin> *pw should do 16:14 < mnemoc> it doesn't 16:14 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' 16:15 < valentin> why unsigned ? 16:15 < valentin> this is strange 16:15 < mnemoc> no idea :\ 16:15 < rxr> hm - operator new looks also strange 16:15 < valentin> what is pw ? class/struct ? 16:15 < mnemoc> that's why i want to force the cast 16:16 < rxr> looks like g++ can not find some alocator - not the constructor 16:16 < valentin> what is domain ? is it vdomain* 16:16 < mnemoc> pwentry is struct 16:17 < mnemoc> static vdomain* domain = 0; 16:18 < mnemoc> rxr: alocator? 16:18 < mnemoc> rxr: what should i search? 16:19 < mnemoc> make[2]: Entering directory `/R.src/vmailmgr-0.96.9/authenticate' 16:19 < mnemoc> g++-33 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../lib -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -W -c authvmailmgr.cc 16:19 < mnemoc> g++-33 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../lib -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -W -c authvlib.cc 16:19 < mnemoc> gcc-33 -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -W -o authvmailmgr authvmailmgr.o authvlib.o ../lib/libvmailmgr.a -L../lib/courier-authlib -laut 16:19 < mnemoc> hmod -lcrypt 16:19 < mnemoc> authvlib.o(.text+0x1b7): In function `set_user(pwentry const*)': 16:19 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' 16:19 < mnemoc> followed by other 9 similar ': undefined' 16:20 < valentin> which are ? 16:22 < mnemoc> authvlib.o(.text+0x2cb): In function `check(mystring, mystring, bool)': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' 16:22 < mnemoc> authvlib.o(.text+0x461): In function `check(mystring, mystring, bool)': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)' 16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x1ae): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' 16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x1b9): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' 16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x23d): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' 16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x248): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' 16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x253): In function `configuration::~configuration [not-in-charge]()': 16:22 < mnemoc> : undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)' 16:22 < mnemoc> ../lib/libvmailmgr.a(configrc.o)(.text+0x25e): more undefined references to `operator delete(void*)' follow 16:23 < LowLander> do the linking with g++-33 and not gcc-33 16:23 < valentin> ah :) 16:23 < mnemoc> +oh 16:23 < mnemoc> just that? 16:24 < LowLander> think so 16:24 < mnemoc> .oO( this Makefile is a jungle )o 16:26 < LowLander> aren'T all Makefiles ? 16:26 < mnemoc> yes, but with lot of include this is worse 16:28 < mnemoc> uhm... it is using $(CXX) ... i don't know why it use gcc-33 ..... /me wants to kick the basket 16:29 < mnemoc> CXXLINK = $(CC) $(CXXFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ 16:29 < mnemoc> what is that doing there!! ... ok ... i hope this work now 16:30 * netrunner updating k3b 16:30 < daja77> cool 16:30 < owl> k3b??? 16:35 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:37 < LowLander> mnemoc, and does it link now ? 16:38 < mnemoc> fighting automake now :\ 16:38 < mnemoc> is aclocal recursive? 16:38 < rxr> someone with experience in soldering SMD ICs here ? 16:40 < mnemoc> LowLander: authenticate/Makefile.am: required file `./depcomp' not found <-- ideas? 16:43 < mnemoc> .oO( i hate auto* )o 16:47 < daja77> mnemoc: yep copy a depcomp from somewhere els into the directory 16:47 < mnemoc> oh 16:48 < mnemoc> ./usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp <--- just copy? 16:49 < daja77> yes 16:49 < daja77> had to do it for another program once, don't ask 16:50 < LowLander> rxr what kind of housing ? (the SMD IC) 16:51 < blindy_> moin 16:51 < owl> hi blindy_ 16:53 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 16:54 < mnemoc> moin blindy 17:02 < owl> lalala. wonderful isdn... *saying hello to every single bit* 17:10 < rxr> SSOP 16pin 17:10 < rxr> ^- LowLander 17:11 < LowLander> and what are you trying to do ? 17:14 < daja77> rxr: I contacted the kde people about the failing kdeutils package, think we get a fix soon 17:14 < rxr> remove a defect chip - sold the new one 17:14 < rxr> LowLander: but I already found some tips on the net 17:15 < rxr> I only wonder if I should invest in a new soldering iron 17:15 < rxr> LowLander: have you experience with SMD IC soldering? 17:15 < rxr> LowLander: must one use a ungrounded anti static one? 17:15 < LowLander> rxr depends on the IC 17:16 < daja77> <- shopping, cu 17:16 < LowLander> CMOS kind of dislikes static 17:16 < LowLander> but if you just touch the ground pin of the wall socket yer fine 17:17 < LowLander> thats basicaly what those anti-static armbands do too 17:17 < LowLander> for soldering just use a very fine point iron 17:18 < BoS> owl: k3b ist burning frontend fort he k desktop 17:19 < rxr> sure I have a anti-static band - I just wonder what the iron should be 17:19 < rxr> grounded - ungrounded ... 17:19 < rxr> there are a lot of other cmos IC on the board - including PowerPC CPUs .... 17:20 < BoS> rxr: what type of ppc cpu? 17:21 < rxr> embedded 750 ... 17:21 < owl> aaah. k. thx. 17:21 < owl> @ BoS 17:21 < rxr> .oO ( "nim eine heißluftpistole und föne die leiterplatte und hau sie dann wenn es schmilzt gegen eine gegenstand dann fliegen die bauteile raus so entlöte ich immer." ) 17:21 < BoS> owl: ok 17:21 < rxr> what a tip 17:21 < BoS> rxr: nice idea 17:23 < rxr> not mine ... - I need this board 17:24 < LowLander> yeah a hot-air soldering station is nice for SMT 17:25 < BoS> rxr: ah - its a mistake *gg* 17:25 < owl> bye 17:25 -!- owl [~owl@D7172.d.pppool.de] has quit ["flashing the bios"] 17:27 < valentin> rxr: pls do not heissluftpisotle the mpc750 boards ! 17:28 < rxr> valentin: I do not plan to - I just quoted very helpful electronic forums ... 17:28 < rxr> boards ... 17:29 < mnemoc> anyone knows python? :( 17:30 < rxr> LowLander: do you think a low-voltage soldering iron is a must? 17:30 < mnemoc> i (vmailmgr) has a 'types.py', any reason why `python -c 'import types'` should not create types.pyc considering it finish successfully? 17:31 < LowLander> rxr hmmm when the tip is grounded it should not mather 17:32 < LowLander> but i really would not start soldering SMD with a "Baumarkt" soldering iron 17:33 < rxr> LowLander: not a Baumarkt one ... the nearly tiniest ERSA model I have for ten years now ... 17:33 < LowLander> that should be fine 17:33 < rxr> but I have not need to solder CMOS nor SMD stuff that often 17:33 < LowLander> those normaly have a grounded tip 17:34 < LowLander> actually i think they have to have a grounded tip from the tüf 17:34 < LowLander> open metal and power don't mix in germany :-) 17:35 < rxr> yes, sure 17:36 < LowLander> i would say just try it 17:37 < rxr> (this is a > 1000 EUR embedded boards ....) 17:37 < LowLander> just make sure you use very little (almost none) tin , sicne when you solder the pins togetter it is a bitch to get them clean again 17:38 < LowLander> rxr well when you don't trust yerself find someone else to do it 17:38 < rxr> no - I trust myself 17:38 < rxr> I just wanted to be informed - and to know what soldering iron to use 17:38 < rxr> in fact I already places nearly 100 tiny cables on this board to get it function 17:38 < LowLander> and how did you solder those ? 17:39 < rxr> and no - this has not destroyed yet ... 17:39 < rxr> LowLander: this was the IO area - which is plugable - this was just to mention soldering in general 17:40 < rxr> now I only need to decide if I cut the pins of the old IC - or to unsolder them 17:40 < rxr> maybe cutting is easier ... 17:40 < LowLander> ok i have to finish some work and do some shopping before they close 17:41 < rxr> cu LowLander - thanks for the comments 17:41 < LowLander> becarefull that you don't damage the PCB when cutting 17:41 < LowLander> litze might be better 17:41 < rxr> I think of a a rotation saw thing 17:41 < rxr> (mini kreisaege in einer drehmel ...) 17:42 < rxr> not a paper cutter ... ;-) 17:42 < LowLander> when there is almost solder left heat up the pin and use a steal-wire that you pull from under the leg 17:43 < LowLander> bbl 17:43 < rxr> cu 17:43 * rxr booting a non-preemptive kernel 17:46 < mnemoc> == 05/07/04 11:46:31 =[5]=> Finished building package vmailmgr. 17:46 < mnemoc> Thanks a lot LowLander, valentin and rxr :) 17:47 < mnemoc> oh, thanks daja too :) 17:50 < rxr> pbbuttonsd suck 17:50 < rxr> valentin: should I write a C++ replacement? 18:04 -!- alanjwylie [frog@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:25 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 < mnemoc> anyone knows where ipxtools can be found? 18:53 -!- th_ [th@thzn.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:56 < dsoul> mnemoc ipxutils? 18:59 < mnemoc> :) 18:59 < mnemoc> thanks 19:02 < dsoul> np 19:07 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit ["leaving"] 19:09 < daja77> mnemoc: why thanking me? 19:10 < mnemoc> the problem with automake :) 19:10 < daja77> ^^ 19:10 * LowLander sends mnemoc the bill ;-P 19:10 < rxr> wow: 19:10 < rxr> protected: 19:10 < rxr> class IDLJob; 19:10 < LowLander> huh: 19:10 < rxr> class IDLJob { 19:10 < rxr> er - damn 19:10 < rxr> public: 19:10 < rxr> class IDLJob { 19:11 < rxr> first protected - then public 19:11 < rxr> no wonder g++-3.4 does not like this anymore ... 19:11 < mnemoc> LowLander: if you come to chile we can take a beer ;) 19:11 < mnemoc> gotta go now :) 19:11 < mnemoc> cu 19:11 < LowLander> hehe 19:11 < LowLander> cya 19:11 < daja77> i'd prefer wine 19:11 < daja77> cu 19:11 < LowLander> i am in beer country here 19:12 < daja77> me too, still don't like it anyway 19:12 < LowLander> i bet chile has better things to offer than beer 19:12 < LowLander> daja where you at ? 19:12 < daja77> .de 19:12 < LowLander> yeah but where about 19:13 < daja77> saxony 19:13 * LowLander noticed a big difference in ".de" 19:13 < daja77> sure there is 19:13 < LowLander> i mean Drsden, Hamburg and München aren'T exactly the same :-) 19:13 < daja77> and utf8 is evil :p 19:14 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 19:14 < LowLander> :-P 19:14 < LowLander> daja but yer not German 19:18 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 19:24 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:27 < daja77> LowLander: huh? 19:35 < LowLander> you said you "still didn't like it here" so i thought yer not a German 19:37 < daja77> the beer 19:38 < LowLander> oh i thought the country :-) 19:41 < rxr> some gcc-3.4 compile problems are really ugly 19:41 < rxr> there is so strange code out there ... 19:41 < daja77> libsdl e.g. ^^ 19:42 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:42 < MadTux> Good day 19:42 < daja77> hello mike 19:43 < rxr> orbitcpp ... 19:43 < daja77> ack 19:43 < MadTux> Hello daja77 :) 19:43 < MadTux> Rene :) 19:43 < rxr> hi MadTux 19:43 < daja77> kdeutils ^^ 19:44 < rxr> firebird does not compile on PowerPC without optimizations ... 19:44 < rxr> the linker screws up very strangely - but this seems to be a known bug in it ... 19:47 < daja77> ah kdeedu is the next, maybe i include this in that mail right now 19:51 < rxr> me away - cu later 19:53 < LowLander> me still here 19:54 < daja77> fine :) 19:54 < daja77> so where are you from. the north i guess? 19:56 < rolla> re all 19:57 < daja77> hi rolla 19:57 < MadTux> Welcome Sir. rolla 19:58 < rolla> hallo Mike 20:09 < nookie> MadTux: ! 20:15 < rolla> wow font can get screwed up in firfox 20:15 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:25 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M197P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:41 -!- nookie [~nookie@M317P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:28 < rolla> anyone here 21:30 < daja77> me ... 21:31 < rolla> how is it going? 21:31 < rolla> I am bored here at work and I want to go home :( 21:32 < daja77> yep and just did that today, went shopping before 21:33 < rolla> :) 21:33 < daja77> actually i was pissed at work 21:44 < rolla> :( 21:44 < daja77> but hey i stop working there anyway 21:47 < Lorini_> huhu daja 21:47 < Lorini_> hi rolla 21:47 < daja77> hi LowLander 21:47 < daja77> grr 21:47 < Lorini_> *g* 21:47 < daja77> hi Lorini_ 22:06 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:09 < rolla> hallo Lorini_ 22:10 < daja77> https://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/5f84/ 22:11 < rolla> :) 22:14 < rolla> daja77: you just made my day 22:15 < daja77> *gg* you are welcome :) 22:30 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.43] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:15 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.43] has joined #rocklinux 23:37 < fake> nabend 23:38 < daja77> hi fake 23:40 * netrunner back home 23:50 < rxr> rehi 23:50 < daja77> wb all 23:51 * netrunner programming c++ ... a bit drunk ;) 23:51 < daja77> hehe this will lead to compile errors with gcc-3.4 ^^ 23:52 * daja77 shocked the kde guys already 23:52 < rxr> hm? 23:52 < netrunner> yeah well it increases the error rate rapidly ;) 23:53 < daja77> rxr: i sent them the errfiles for kdeutils and kdeedu 23:54 < daja77> they defined some illegal stuff, and working on getting this right 23:56 * netrunner wonders how comments would look like between those lines that already cost about 8,5 kEUR (according to sloccount ;) 23:56 < rxr> yeah - we are now listed at: 23:56 < rxr> https://www.ppckernel.org 23:56 < rxr> left side menu --- Log closed Sat May 08 00:00:17 2004