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--- Log opened Tue May 11 00:00:03 2004 00:00 * valentin -> bed 00:00 * LowLander thinks OS/X doesn't run on his PowerPC 00:04 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-96.reverse.qsc.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:08 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-96.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD95307F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:13 < fake> LowLander: m68k ? 00:15 < fake> ph34r m4 3v1l m41l 00:15 < fake> sk1llz 00:16 < Frederic> fak0r? *g 00:16 < Frederic> everything okay0r? :) 00:17 < fake> m3 l33t f4k3 00:17 < Frederic> lol 00:17 < fake> ;) 00:17 < Frederic> dass ich sowas noch erleben durfte 00:17 < Frederic> :> 00:17 < Frederic> are you on drugs? 00:18 < fake> no! drugs are bad, they make you mad! drugs are bad, they make you mad! 00:19 < Frederic> :) 00:19 < Frederic> I am on drugs 00:19 < fake> which? 00:19 < Frederic> drug is called Qt 00:19 < Frederic> :) 00:19 < LowLander> fake nope a 48MHz MPC860 with 1MB flash and 8MB SDRAM 00:19 < fake> woo! 00:20 < Frederic> woo? 00:20 < Frederic> :) 00:20 < Frederic> hi LowLander 00:20 < Frederic> has anyone seen madtux or miguel? 00:20 < LowLander> hey Frederic 00:20 < fake> Frederic: Qt is very addictive... 00:21 < Frederic> fake what you mean? 00:21 < LowLander> it is ? 00:21 < LowLander> i got a serious down from Qt 00:21 < Frederic> a serious down? :> 00:21 < Frederic> i don't understand those english expressions :> 00:22 < LowLander> from drugs you get an up , and afterwards you get a down 00:22 < Frederic> LowLander, yes :) 00:22 < Frederic> but Qt is a drug which has only ups 00:22 < Frederic> :) 00:22 < LowLander> i only had the down part, since i really don't like Qt 00:23 < Frederic> why not LowLander? 00:23 < LowLander> bad object model , poor C++ , terible naming sceme, poor std::* use, non-C++ extentions etc. etc. 00:24 < Frederic> bad object model? why? why poor c++? why terrible naming sceme? 00:24 < Frederic> examples please :) 00:25 < fake> rxr: *ping* 00:25 < Frederic> LowLander, ? :) 00:27 < Frederic> hmmmm 00:29 * fake demands updated cache files 00:29 < Frederic> ahha :) 00:29 < Frederic> whats this? 00:29 < fake> in every package directory there are at least two files after a reference build 00:30 < Frederic> ahha 00:30 < fake> a .desc and a .cache 00:30 < fake> the .cache saves information that has been determined during the reference build like package size, build time and - most of all - dependencies 00:31 < Frederic> ahha 00:31 < fake> and in the current cache files there are references to packages like 'qt31', 'arts31', which have been renamed long ago to arts / qt 00:32 < Frederic> ahahhha :) 00:32 < Frederic> thanks 00:32 < fake> they are very practical if you don't trust the automatic dependency resolval ;) 00:32 < LowLander> Frederic, for exampel they have a Qt::Key enum, but the KeyEvent's key() methode returns a unsigned short 00:33 < LowLander> so if you do Qt::Key k = e->key(); you get an error 00:33 < LowLander> you need to cast it first 00:33 < LowLander> thats just plain beginner bad C++ 00:33 < Frederic> LowLander, hmh. But when you need this? 00:34 < Frederic> fake, is it possible with rock to keep the system up tp date like with debian? 00:34 < LowLander> when you want to handle some key-press release event 00:34 < Frederic> you mean if a button is pressed? :> 00:34 < LowLander> just one exalpme i bumped into yesterday 00:34 < LowLander> no a key 00:35 < LowLander> liek in KEYboard 00:35 < Frederic> never used it 00:35 < Frederic> ah okay 00:35 < fake> Frederic: yes, there is a 'scripts/Update-System', haven't tested it in a long time though 00:35 < Frederic> fake, hmmmhm 00:35 < Frederic> fake, when I used Rock it didnt work for me... 00:35 < fake> it basically updates the sources via rsync and then compares installed versions to availble versions 00:36 < Frederic> rsync.. mhmh let me google 00:36 < LowLander> Frederic, and i really dislike the getBlaBla() names i like get_bla_bla() a lot better 00:36 < LowLander> but thats just taste 00:36 < fake> LowLander: get_bla_bla is c naming 00:36 < fake> LowLander: getBlaBla is correct C++/Java naming 00:36 < Frederic> LowLander, hmm most of c++ developers like the first one. i wrote it a long time with _ but now i have changed too 00:37 < Frederic> yeah. getBlaFromBla is C++ style. :) 00:38 < Frederic> LowLander, Qt is done so clear - okay most of it. It is really fast. Easy to learn. Signals and slots are wonderful. And you can compile it on nearly every plattform... 00:38 < Frederic> gtk is rubbish :) *grrr* :) 00:38 < LowLander> Qt signal and slots raped C++ 00:38 < Frederic> fake, "rsync is an open source utility that provides fast incremental file transfer." ahhhh oki :) 00:38 < LowLander> gtkmm/libsig++ work perfect 00:39 < Frederic> LowLander, why? 00:39 < fake> i'm not into it, but from what i've seen, i'd say gui programming is ugly, no matter which toolkit *g* 00:39 < LowLander> Qt signal slots have poor to no compiltime error checking 00:39 < LowLander> they connect at runtime which is useless in most cases 00:39 * fake uses the HTML toolkit, if he has to gui-code 00:39 < LowLander> hehe 00:40 < LowLander> <--- gtkmm fan 00:40 < LowLander> i really like their use of the C++ language without funny extentions like Qt 00:40 < Frederic> LowLander, hmh okay. but if you have 5 connects you have 5 lines of code where the error could be. with other systems you are not as flexible with signals and slots and you have to write more code. 00:40 < LowLander> Frederic, have you ever looked at gtkmm 00:41 < LowLander> they don't need more code at all 00:41 < Frederic> never had a look at gtkmm :> i only flame around :) 00:43 < Frederic> LowLander, but i will have a look at it 00:43 < LowLander> hehe 00:43 < LowLander> they did a really nice job 00:44 < Frederic> hmmmhm could be but i am to deep integrated into Qt :> 00:44 < Frederic> will never change :) 00:44 < LowLander> what Qt did to C++ is nothing else than what Microsoft does to things like HTML 00:44 < LowLander> just use the language as is 00:44 < LowLander> don't created some extention to it 00:45 < Frederic> well the meta object compiler only generates c++ code :> so where is the problem. they dont have changed the compiler. 00:45 -!- fourier [~marco@217.129.50.162] has joined #rocklinux 00:45 < fourier> hi :) 00:45 < Frederic> fourier, hiiiiiiiii :) 00:46 < Frederic> how are you fourier 00:47 < fourier> i'm fine thanks and you frederic ? 00:47 < Frederic> I am fine too... 00:47 < fourier> i'm just downloading the minimal binary distribution cd of rocklinux hoping that will install only a basic and very stable system to me to go on configuring it (i dont have the patience for a linux from scratch) 00:47 < Frederic> have you got rock installed? 00:47 < fourier> and i have been a debian user for too many years 00:48 < Frederic> oh :) I AM a deb. user :> 00:48 < fourier> rotfl... :) 00:48 < Frederic> why rofl :) 00:49 < Frederic> LowLander, still alive? :) 00:49 < fourier> because you are here and i thought that the ones here only used rocklinux 00:49 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 00:49 < Frederic> hmmm no no :) I have used rock a few month... 00:49 < Frederic> hi esden 00:49 < fourier> and you didn't like very much i see 00:49 < LowLander> Frederic, yeah still here 00:50 < Frederic> hmmm it was okay. but i need always an up to date kde and an up to date qt... 00:50 < fake> hi esden! 00:50 < esden> hi all 00:50 < Frederic> rock was to complicated for me 00:50 < fourier> so you use sarge or sid then... 00:50 < Frederic> yeh 00:50 < fourier> they are not always very stable 00:50 < esden> humm ... /me directing his eyes in direction of ewl and co 00:51 < Frederic> fourier, stable enougth. 00:51 < fourier> :) 00:51 < Frederic> my pc is always on. i never turn it of. 00:51 < Frederic> always stable. :> 00:51 < fake> using debian because it is up-to-date ??? 00:51 < fake> that sounds like a joke ;) 00:52 < Frederic> fake, noooooo :) 00:52 < fake> what is the current kde-version in -stable ? 00:52 < Frederic> kde and qt are hmmm "up to date". 00:52 < fake> 2.0 ? 00:52 < Frederic> could be. but I dont use unstable 00:52 < Frederic> dont use stable 00:52 < Frederic> :) 00:53 < fake> well, then you don't use a release ;) 00:53 < esden> does anyone know how current is the e17 stuff is in rocklinux? 00:53 < fake> esden: rene should 00:53 < Frederic> kde 3.2.1 00:53 < esden> humm ... 00:53 < Frederic> up to date :> 00:53 < fake> rock has 3.2.2... 00:53 < fake> ;P 00:54 * esden currently using his home brew script for building that stuff in a home subdirectory ... 00:54 < Frederic> fake, yeahhhhhh but i only need 3.2.1 :> 00:54 * fake laughs 00:54 < Frederic> has anyone seen minguel? :( 00:54 < fourier> i didnt.. :P 00:54 < fake> no... but i saw a report about costa rica yesterday 00:54 < Frederic> I wrote him an email weeks ago - got no answer. 00:54 < fourier> lol 00:54 < Frederic> fake, wuh 00:55 < fake> they get 73% of their energy from geothermal sources 00:55 < esden> last week he was around here ... 00:55 < Frederic> uff. 00:55 < Frederic> esden, you know what he is doing atm? 00:55 < esden> fake: but how much energy is it? ;) 00:55 < fourier> is 73% 00:55 < Frederic> yeah how much? :) 00:55 < Frederic> 1 kw? :) 00:55 < fourier> 73% is all you need to know 00:56 < esden> Frederic: humm ... he came back from usa to cr ... that is the last thing I know exactly from him ... but I think it is longer ago 00:56 < fake> i bet miguel's serverfarm alone eats more than 1 kw ;) 00:56 < Frederic> fake, lol 00:56 < fourier> 2kw eats my toaster 00:56 < Frederic> esden, thanks for information. i miss him :( 00:56 < fake> 2,5 kw my water cooker 00:56 < fourier> but it hasn't 24h/day uptime 00:57 < fourier> :) 00:57 < Frederic> fourier, lol 00:57 < fake> hey! i have a great new plan for destroying earth 00:57 < Frederic> fake, which one? :) 00:57 < Frederic> now we will hear an interesting story :) 00:57 < fourier> we all jump at the same time and the globe spins out of orbit 00:57 < Frederic> fourier, lol 00:57 < fake> like melmark, we just have to switch on all our toasters and microwaves and water cookers at the same time 00:58 < fourier> ..i was sooo close... 00:58 < Frederic> fake, ohhhhhhhhhhhh :) 00:58 < esden> I knew that it is something like that ... fake you are predictable ;) 00:58 < fake> with that much energy released we will become an evil day star 00:58 < esden> .oO(that will hurt) 00:58 < fake> (i know the existance of the evil day star is not confirmed...) 00:59 < Frederic> esden, what you you think about Qt? 00:59 < fake> (but even my doctor says it exits and i should absorb some of it's waves) 00:59 < esden> yuck ... die Qt die ... ;) 00:59 < Frederic> :( 00:59 < esden> Frederic: but to be serious I have not used the api much by myself ... the one thing that is cool about it is that it is c++ 01:00 < Frederic> it seems that every hardcore geek dont likes qt 01:00 < esden> that is a very big plus point 01:00 < esden> that it what sux in efl :( 01:00 < esden> it is in C :( 01:00 < fake> Frederic: i guess that's still because of the long-resolved licensing woes 01:00 < esden> fake: you are most likely correct 01:00 < Frederic> fake, well Trolltech is a company. 01:01 < esden> but I think that if I would like to write a serious graphical application I would choose Qt 01:01 < Frederic> esden, good boy :) wanna get a cake? 01:01 * fake too 01:01 < fake> esden: /usr/lib/libbz2.a(bzlib.o)(.note+0x10): undefined reference to `__you_tried_to_link_a_dietlibc_object_against_glibc' 01:01 < fake> *rofl* 01:01 < fake> i love this 01:02 < esden> muahaha very nice 01:02 < fake> esden: want to crack a really hard nut? 01:02 < fake> esden: dietlibc/libshell/realpath.c 01:02 < fake> realpath(pathwitksymlinks,realpathreturned) 01:02 < esden> no fake ... I prefere soft nut's ... just like mine became in the last months ;) 01:03 < fake> it's b0rken, i alreay mailed fefe and he confirmed it 01:03 < esden> lol ... he confirmed that ... very nice of him 01:03 < fake> but the code is too much for me to handle 01:03 < esden> will, or has he, fixed that? 01:03 < fake> he wrote he 'should' implement that again 01:03 < esden> ok fefe is a bad boy ;) 01:03 < fake> didn't sound like it will be ready soon 01:03 < Frederic> wuhuu I get every minute a new spam mail :((( 01:04 < Frederic> terrible 01:04 < fourier> do you think that rocklinux is hard enough (what a beautiful joke i've made) to be used on a heavy load server? 01:04 < esden> fake: ohh god ... I think the code in there is not really a nice task to do 01:04 < fake> esden: *nod* *nod* 01:05 < fake> esden: the glibc code is about 3 times longer 01:05 < esden> fake: was it implemented earlier and removed? or has this function never been there? 01:05 < fake> esden: what you see is the 3rd implementation 01:05 < esden> argl ... ok 01:05 < fake> the bug is that it stops resolving as soon as it hits a symlink 01:05 < esden> and it does not work? if I understand you correctly 01:05 < esden> ROFL 01:05 < fake> as an example 01:06 < esden> very reliable code ;) 01:06 < esden> and have you tried to debug it? 01:06 < fake> glibc realpath() /usr/src/linux/include returns /usr/src/linux-2.4.26/include 01:06 < fake> but dietlibc returns /usr/src/linux 01:06 < esden> bleah ... bad code bad code ... *bash* *bash* 01:07 < fake> it's evil becaus /lib is a symlink in the livecd target 01:07 < Frederic> bash is bad code? :) 01:07 < esden> no I am only bashing the code ;) 01:07 < Frederic> oh I see :) 01:07 < esden> or better spanking it ;) 01:07 < esden> on the neck 01:07 < esden> humm ... 01:07 * esden getting dietlibc from cvs 01:07 < esden> *sigh* 01:08 < fake> esden: no, i did not debug it yet, it was very early yesterday 01:09 < esden> will you try to debug it? 01:09 < Frederic> LowLander, I have asek bjane stroustrup - he doesnt like the moc system too :) 01:09 < fake> i can, if you don't want to 01:09 < fake> i though you might like to ;) 01:11 < esden> I take a short look ... 01:11 < esden> If it is my lucky day then I may fix it fast *muahaha* 01:12 < fake> esden: wait a second 01:12 < fake> esden: there has been a change today 01:12 < esden> o_O? 01:13 * Frederic goes sleep0rn 01:13 < Frederic> night all 01:13 < fourier> sleep well frederic 01:14 < Frederic> thanks :) see you tomorrow again :) 01:14 < fourier> yes.. it can happen :) 01:14 < Frederic> it will happen fourier - I feel it :) 01:15 < fake> yeag 01:15 < fake> esden: it's fixed 01:15 < fake> esden: i love fefe *g* 01:16 < esden> humm ... ok 01:16 < esden> then I can stop ;) 01:16 < esden> good 01:16 * esden closing terminal with dietlibc debug environment and continuing looking at efl stuff ;) 01:19 < esden> argh ... something is wrong with libpng :( 01:20 < esden> humm 01:20 < esden> There is no "configure" script for Libpng-1.2.5. Instead, please 01:20 < esden> copy the appropriate makefile for your system from the "scripts" 01:20 < esden> directory. Read the INSTALL file for more details. 01:20 < esden> is it fixed now? 01:20 < esden> I have the stable sources here ... 01:20 < esden> the `stable` sources of rock 01:21 < fake> hu? 01:22 * fake compiled it yesterday succesfully? 01:32 < esden> argh ... it is compiling successfully ... but when I try to use it I get a link error 01:32 < esden> stating that some deflate crc32 and other functions are not defined >_< 01:32 < esden> an example: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux-gnu/3.3.2/../../../libpng.so: undefined reference to `deflate' 01:33 < esden> and I really have no idea why 01:34 < fake> -lz ? 01:34 < fake> or -lcompress 01:35 < fake> libpng-config --libs 01:35 < fake> -lpng12 -lz -lm 01:35 < fake> there we've got it ;) 01:35 < esden> ahh very nice ... thanks fake ... it is somehow missing -lz ... 01:35 < esden> humm 01:36 < esden> ok ... I test that on the other evil bluish system that was red before 01:36 < esden> if there is the same error 01:36 < esden> if yes then there is a bug in eplylon 01:37 < esden> that would be not surprising ;) 01:43 < esden> uarrrrgh ... how stupid how terribly stupid ... /me wants to spank someone badly ;) 01:43 < fake> me me me! 01:44 < esden> no not you ... rasta!!!! 01:44 < esden> argl 01:45 < esden> this very intelligent and pretty ill guy is not using libpng-config to get the arguments for his libraries ... *sigh* 01:48 < esden> humm ... strange ... but on redhat it is compiling without complaining ... o_O 01:48 < esden> have they linked everything static in libpng? o_O 01:48 < fake> maybe they have patched libpng to use... err what was it 01:48 < fake> -rsomething 01:49 < fake> iirc 01:50 < fake> -E to ld 01:50 < esden> -rsomething o_O 01:50 < fake> iirc 01:51 < esden> -E Stop after the preprocessing stage; do not run the compiler proper. 01:51 < esden> The output is in the form of preprocessed source code, which is 01:51 < esden> sent to the standard output. 01:51 < esden> Input files which don't require preprocessing are ignored. 01:51 < esden> that is a nice fix ;) 01:51 < fake> nooo 01:51 < fake> to ld! 01:51 < fake> -XE 01:52 < fake> -Xlinker -E 01:52 < esden> ahh ok 01:52 < fake> i am not sure though 01:52 < esden> that one is adding all symbols to the library 01:53 < esden> that the library is refering to 01:53 < fake> yes 01:53 < fake> it's not what you want, usually 01:53 < esden> no not really 01:53 < esden> but it is redhat ;) 01:54 < fake> the usage of libpng-config is the 'right thing to do(tm)' 01:54 < esden> ACK ... /me bashing someone in #edevel ;) 02:00 < esden> humm ... but there is nobody 02:01 < esden> humm ... perhups I should write an email to the mailinglist 02:01 < fake> or better a patch 02:02 < esden> yes ... I am working on it 02:02 < esden> but I have to fix all configure scripts for that ... *sigh* otherwise it is not a clean patch ;) 02:05 < esden> and they are not using include guards in their header files ... THAT HURTS!!!! 02:05 < esden> that code neeeeeds revisioning!!! 02:05 < esden> but really hard revisioning 02:05 < esden> argh 02:05 < fake> from the 2.6.6 ChangeLog: 02:05 < fake> <akpm@osdl.org> 02:05 < fake> [PATCH] laptop mode 02:06 < fake> Adds /proc/sys/vm/laptop-mode: a special knob which says "this is a laptop". 02:06 < fake> In this mode the kernel will attempt to avoid spinning disks up. 02:06 < fake> cool! 02:06 * fake trying ;) 02:06 < esden> ROFL!!! 02:06 < esden> muahaha!!! 02:06 * esden dying 02:08 < esden> "und ich habe gedacht ich bin schlampig" !!! !!! /me is really getting furious 02:08 < fake> hu? 02:08 * fake getting foog 02:08 < fake> food 02:08 < esden> that is better then getting furious for sure ;) 02:37 < fake> boy... kde takes aaaaages... 02:44 -!- fourier [~marco@217.129.50.162] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:46 < esden> and some people really should learn how to write software ... *sigh* 02:47 * esden cleaning up a small app ... after that I will probably start to clean up other things if my cleaning will be accepted 02:47 < esden> IF ;) 02:48 < fake> puh, finished reading kernel changelog 03:14 < fake> now FINALLY kdelibs finished... 03:16 < esden> ok ... my autogen.sh rewrite to autoreconf seems to be finished 03:16 * esden -> bed 03:17 < esden> good night fake and anyone else that is still up but hides himself in the dark 03:27 < esden> ahh ok 03:27 < esden> ich habe rasta erwischt 03:27 < esden> also ... anscheinend es ist doch ein rocklinux problem 03:27 < esden> ups 03:27 < esden> wrong language 03:27 < esden> ok ... rasta says that it may be a rocklinux problem 03:28 < esden> ld libraries can also make dynamic link library dependancies 03:28 < esden> so using -lpng on the commandline should pull -lz and -lm automatically after that 03:28 < esden> and somehow the -lpng in rocklinux is not doing it 03:32 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBED53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:35 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBEF81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:47 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has joined #rocklinux 03:50 -!- plasma- [~foo@206.63.200.33] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 04:04 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 04:29 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p50801E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:29 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4FD70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:29 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:42 < mnemoc> re 04:43 < fake> hi mnemoc 04:56 * fake making more c0ff33 04:58 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 04:58 < MadTux> hi. 04:59 < mnemoc> hi MadTux, fake 05:00 < MadTux> mnemoc, hello! up this late? 05:00 < mnemoc> 28.8 powered :) 05:00 < MadTux> ? 05:00 < MadTux> dialup? 05:00 < mnemoc> fake: realpath was very complex 05:00 < MadTux> brb 05:00 < mnemoc> MadTux: yeah 05:10 < fake> mnemoc: yes 05:10 < fake> hi MadTux! 05:11 < fake> MadTux: <Frederic> has anyone seen minguel? :( 05:12 < MadTux> hi fake how are u ? 05:13 < MadTux> Frederic, whenever u read this.. I'm here.. almost alive. 05:14 < fake> MadTux: i have no timestamps, but that was about 3 hrs ago i guess 05:15 < MadTux> fake, thanks for letting me know. 05:16 < fake> you're welcome ;) 05:22 < mnemoc> MadTux: why _almost_ alive? 05:23 < MadTux> mnemoc, too tired... damn work keeps getting in the way 05:26 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:26 < mnemoc> who is the girl and the family? 05:26 < mnemoc> how* 05:27 < MadTux> GREAT :) 05:28 < mnemoc> great to ear that :) 05:33 < mnemoc> i'll hang up :) ... cu tomorrow 05:33 < mnemoc> try to sleep MadTux 05:33 < mnemoc> good luck fake 05:34 < MadTux> oyasumi mnemoc-chan 05:34 < MadTux> sleep is for dialup mortals. 05:34 < MadTux> :P 05:34 < mnemoc> s/chan/san/ 05:34 < MadTux> CHAN 05:34 < MadTux> :) 05:34 < mnemoc> :\ 05:34 < mnemoc> cu 05:34 < MadTux> :) 05:34 < MadTux> sleep well my friend 05:36 < fake> thanks, n8! 05:36 < fake> .oO( good luck with what? ) 05:38 < MadTux> :) 05:47 < fake> Speaker after speaker at the conference denied the near-term feasibility of the silicon transistor. Teal, next to last on the agenda, took his turn. TI cofounder Erik Jonsson recalled that Teal, "a quiet man," put everyone to sleep until, at the end of his speech, he calmly remarked, "Contrary to what my colleagues have told you about the bleak prospects for silicon transistors, I happen to have a few here in my pocket." 05:47 < fake> smartass ;) 06:10 -!- nookie [~nookie@M368P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:19 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M327P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:53 -!- Ankur [~Ankur@61.16.237.64] has joined #rocklinux 06:55 -!- dsoul [darksoul@149.156.65.40] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:56 -!- Ankur [~Ankur@61.16.237.64] has quit [Client Quit] 07:01 < fake> booooring... 07:10 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:10 -!- christian_ [~christian@p50839ED3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:10 < owl> moin 07:11 < MadTux> Sandra! 07:11 < MadTux> christian_, ! 07:12 < owl> hi Miguel :) 07:12 < owl> how are you? 07:12 < MadTux> great, and u ? 07:12 < owl> hmm. sleepy ;) 07:12 < MadTux> me too 07:12 < blindy> moin 07:13 < MadTux> blindy! 07:13 < owl> hi blindy 07:14 < owl> aaargh. what are handkerchieves doing in my cake-box? O_o 07:15 < owl> s/cake/cookie 07:16 < blindy> MadTux: hi! got the gems already? 07:16 < blindy> owl: interesting storage place for those :) 07:16 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,299269,00.html <- no comment 07:17 < owl> blindy: yeah ;) 07:17 < owl> you can be sure nobody finds them. but - aehm. it's not money. damnit :) 07:17 < MadTux> blindy, oh shit! i had forgot :S 07:17 -!- christian__ [~christian@p50839AC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:19 < blindy> MadTux: well, get them while they're hot :) 07:20 < blindy> I'll be at work the next dozes hours, so feel free to leech :) 07:20 < MadTux> ok will do so thx blindy 07:20 * blindy thinks about setting up a gem-fserv :) 07:21 < blindy> in addition to sonar :) 07:21 < MadTux> :) 07:26 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD95307F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:26 -!- Frederic [~christian@p50839BD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:27 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,298410,00.html <- dogs under voltage 07:31 < owl> <- off again. bye 07:33 -!- christian_ [~christian@p50839ED3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:33 * blindy --> work 07:37 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 07:37 -!- christian__ [~christian@p50839AC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:03 < blindy> rehi 08:05 < fake> re hi 08:08 < blindy> moin fake 08:08 < blindy> fake: still awake? or again? 08:15 < fake> still 08:15 < fake> i have to shift my daytime layout 08:15 < fake> i have to go to school tomorrow, still ;) 08:17 < blindy> oh 08:17 < blindy> sucks :) 08:17 < blindy> why don't stay up through today, might be the easiest way 08:19 < fake> that's what i intend to do 08:19 < fake> and i won't dare falling asleep before i watched 24 tonight 08:19 < SMP> 24? on TV? 08:20 < blindy> brb, getting brakfast 08:21 < fake> SMP: sure 08:21 < fake> season 2 on rtl2 08:21 < fake> 20:15 08:21 < fake> 2 or 3 eps in a row each tuesday 08:22 < fake> .oO( 'brakfast' sounds klingon ) 08:23 < blindy> fake: adjust by common sense :) 08:25 -!- fourier [~marco@217.129.50.162] has joined #rocklinux 08:31 < blindy> hmm 08:31 < blindy> does wake-on-lan work with wlan? 08:32 < SMP> 'yeah, right' 08:33 < SMP> OTOH I'm pretty sure you can _send_ the magic frame from WLAN across a bridge 08:34 < fake> you can use openvpn layer-2 vpn and bridge one end to the internal lan 08:34 < blindy> ok, guess that's a no :) 08:37 -!- dsoul [darksoul@149.156.65.40] has joined #rocklinux 08:55 < Frederic> moin 08:55 -!- Frederic is now known as ChristianQt 08:55 < ChristianQt> OHHHHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 08:55 < ChristianQt> minguel was here and i not :((((((((((((((((((( 08:55 < blindy> well, shit happens 08:56 < ChristianQt> DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111 08:57 < ChristianQt> blindy, how are you? 08:58 < blindy> ChristianQt: a little bit tired cause of being at the gym yesterday for the first time in three weeks, but fine otherwise :) 08:58 < blindy> today seems to be a lazy day at work 08:58 < ChristianQt> what is your job? 08:59 < ChristianQt> nice to hear that you are fine 09:00 < blindy> taking care of HP and SGI Workstations and Servers 09:00 < ChristianQt> oh nice. 09:01 < ChristianQt> is there rock running? :) 09:01 < blindy> no, HP-SUX and IRIX 09:01 < blindy> but that was a nice chance to port transconnect to HP-SUX :) 09:02 < ChristianQt> transconnect? 09:02 < ChristianQt> whats this? 09:02 < blindy> freshmeat.net/transconnect 09:02 -!- rr_adsl [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #rocklinux 09:03 < ChristianQt> moin rr_adsl 09:03 < ChristianQt> blindy, moment please 09:03 < ChristianQt> blindy, oh nice sounds interesting 09:03 -!- rr_adsl is now known as ringo 09:04 < ringo> morning ChristianQt 09:04 < blindy> moin ringo 09:04 < ChristianQt> how are you ringo? :) 09:04 < ringo> moin blindy 09:04 < ChristianQt> blindy, have you rewritten the sourcecode? 09:04 < ChristianQt> or what does porting mean in this context? 09:04 < ringo> fine thx ... on mirc on windows xp at the moment ... 09:05 < ChristianQt> ringo, gooooooooo hoooooooomeeeeeeee :))) 09:05 < ringo> ChristianQt sorry for asking but whats is your reg nick ? 09:06 * ChristianQt <--- 09:06 < ringo> ok :) 09:06 < ChristianQt> why? 09:06 < blindy> ChristianQt: getting it to compile on HP-UX 09:07 < ChristianQt> blindy, oki :) 09:07 < ringo> just a question, thought maybe you were someone else. 09:07 < blindy> ChristianQt: involved a bit of #ifdefs and API-adaptions (connect(2) on HP-UX is quite different from connect(2) on Linux and Solaris) 09:07 < ChristianQt> ringo, bu bu :) 09:07 < ChristianQt> I see blindy :) 09:08 < ChristianQt> do you are familar with socket programming under linux? 09:08 < ringo> Does not matter. 09:08 < ringo> A little ... 09:08 < blindy> not at all :) 09:08 < ringo> I got a book about gthe 09:08 < ringo> oops "that" 09:08 * ChristianQt hast a problem 09:09 < ChristianQt> -t :)about socketprogramming 09:09 < ringo> speak :) 09:10 < ChristianQt> oh okay mom - searching my sourcecode 09:10 < netrunner> ChristianQt: are you happy with qt or what? 09:10 * netrunner moins the channel 09:10 < ChristianQt> netrunner, of course 09:10 < ChristianQt> moin :) 09:10 < ringo> trolltech rulez 09:10 < ChristianQt> ringo, absolutely 09:10 < ChristianQt> they are really cool 09:10 < ChristianQt> especially matthias ettrich he is so smart 09:11 * ringo fetching socketbook 09:11 < ChristianQt> int getUrl = socket (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0); -> here i generate a tcp socket with streaming. 0 means that the kernel does the rest... 09:11 < ChristianQt> right? 09:12 < ChristianQt> ringo, what have you to do with trolltech? 09:12 < ChristianQt> 0 means that the kernel choose the protocol from tcp/ip 09:13 < ChristianQt> af_inet means -> tcp/ip 09:13 < ChristianQt> and sock_stream means that he shouldnt make it with udp? 09:13 < blindy> moin netrunner 09:13 < ringo> nothing I just like the widgetset 09:13 < ChristianQt> ringo, good :) 09:14 < ChristianQt> it seems that we are alone with this opinion here :) 09:14 < ChristianQt> no protest about my explanation? then lets go on: 09:15 < ringo> I also like tk .. 09:15 < ChristianQt> ringo, isnt it only for little dirty programms? 09:15 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I'd now throw qt questions at you as I just began playing with it ... 09:15 < ChristianQt> netrunner, feel free to ask :) 09:16 < ChristianQt> sockaddr_in addr_in; // hmm what is this? i know which kind of information we will save there - but why? what are we going to save there in detail? in my book only stands what we will save there - not why! 09:16 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:16 < ChristianQt> hi Worf - pach pa pach pea :) 09:16 < ringo> I like to make simple gui´s with perl .. . 09:17 < ChristianQt> ringo, hmmmmm making guis with qt designer is simple too :) 09:17 < fake> pear sucks 09:17 < ChristianQt> and what you get is really fast :) 09:17 < ChristianQt> perl not pear :) 09:17 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I want a QGroupBox around a QListBox. but the listbox gets only very small. when I create it in the parent widget it gets bigger ... 09:17 < fake> i mean PEAR 09:18 < netrunner> .o( much traffic here ... ) 09:18 < ChristianQt> fake, sorry :) 09:18 < fake> CPAN wannabe... 09:18 < ringo> fake qhat module do you want to write ? 09:18 < ChristianQt> netrunner, got a screenshot? 09:19 < Worf> ChristianQt: nuqneH :) 09:19 * Worf crawls out of bed 09:19 < ChristianQt> nuqneH? :) 09:19 < ringo> ChristianQt could you set your code somewhere web ftp ? 09:19 < ringo> moin Worf 09:19 < Worf> ChristianQt: https://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html :-) 09:19 < fake> ringo: none! never! 09:19 < ChristianQt> ringo, yes of course. moment please. hehe but this code works perfek. i only have some problems to understand it 09:20 < ringo> its just plain klingon ... 09:20 < fake> netrunner: mornin' ! 09:20 < ringo> fake thought you wanted to be on the wall of cpan fame :) 09:20 < ChristianQt> https://nopaste.php.cd/15109 09:20 < fake> ringo: i've just said that PEAR is a lousy CPAN wannabe 09:20 < ChristianQt> netrunner, ? :) still alive? 09:21 < ChristianQt> ringo, seen my paste? :) 09:22 * blindy making coffee 09:22 < ChristianQt> have fun blindy 09:22 < ringo> ChristianQt yups its in word right now no syntax highlighting though .. 09:22 < ChristianQt> ringo, hmhn... i will upload mom 09:23 < ChristianQt> www.qtforum.org/members/christian/main.cpp 09:25 < ChristianQt> ringo, got it? 09:26 < ringo> yups :) 09:27 < ChristianQt> nice 09:29 < ringo> https://home.netcom.com/~jsnader/etcpsrc.tgz some nice examples ... 09:29 < ChristianQt> ringo, mom 09:29 < blindy> heh, nothing like problems solving themselves :) 09:29 < ringo> ChristianQt ? 09:30 < ChristianQt> ringo, hm? :) 09:30 < ringo> ringo, mom ... "?" 09:31 < ChristianQt> downloading takes some time here ringo :) 09:31 < ringo> ChristianQt ok thought you were yelling mommmy, sorry ... 09:32 < ringo> 28kb .... 09:32 < ChristianQt> ringo, lol no :) 09:33 < ChristianQt> yeah :) got it 09:34 < ChristianQt> hmmm heavy examples :> 09:35 < ringo> just tha 09:35 < ringo> take the first example. ... 09:36 < ringo> Effetive tcp/ip programming 09:37 < ChristianQt> ah this are the examples from this book? 09:37 < ChristianQt> ringo, have you read it? is it good? 09:38 < ringo> its very nice yesterday began with the first page ... I am on page 3 ... 09:38 < ChristianQt> ringo, applause :) 09:39 < ChristianQt> okay then I will buy it too. 09:39 < ChristianQt> and will move the socket part a little bit in our project. 09:39 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8DA58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:39 < ringo> I found it a little expensive ... You could also go for a pdf on kazaa .. 09:40 < ChristianQt> ringo, no this sucks 09:40 < ChristianQt> but i have to finish 3 other books first :( 09:40 < ringo> I have dl´d about 300Mb of pdf´s from kazaa I like it a lot... 09:41 < ChristianQt> ringo, hmmm I need something i my hand. 09:41 < ringo> If you wish to use kazaa on linux goto #gift 09:41 < ChristianQt> to every book i have i have a relationship :) 09:41 < ChristianQt> no no no :) 09:41 < ringo> Yes that is what I like also ... 09:42 < ChristianQt> my books are really important in my life :) 09:42 < ChristianQt> my books are my only friends :) 09:42 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CA62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:43 < ChristianQt> netrunner, ree 09:43 < ringo> I also like books more but I am reading a pdf on php in Pdf form its also nice. You could go to a copyshop they will print a pdf for a small fee. 09:44 < ChristianQt> ringo, could be... not my prefered way :) 09:44 < blindy> is that xfree86-mention-us-in-your-documentation thingie still there? 09:45 < blindy> I need a new subtitle for the next LVP-version :) 10:08 < daja77> moin 10:09 < blindy> moin daja77 10:09 < ChristianQt> hi daja77 10:09 < daja77> hi blindy & ChristianQt 10:11 < blindy> daja77: do you know the answer to my above question? 10:11 < daja77> no 10:12 < daja77> i mean i don't know :) 10:13 < blindy> hmm... ok 10:18 < ringo> hi daja77 10:19 < daja77> ringo! 10:20 < netrunner> re. stupid disconnects. 10:20 < netrunner> our webserver caches the ip for my dyndns name, so the update takes long to propagate :( 10:20 < ringo> hi daja77 :) 10:20 < daja77> :) 10:20 < netrunner> ChristianQt: sorry, got no screenshot atm, not @home. 10:35 < netrunner> what do people here use to backup their personal data? 10:37 < ringo> netrunner tripwire && cdrecord ... 10:37 < daja77> daily copy to /dev/null 10:38 < ringo> my /dev/null is not that big ... 10:38 < daja77> hehe 10:38 < ringo> I need to upgrade it 10:39 < blindy> netrunner: taper 10:39 < daja77> yeah do that 10:39 < ringo> sorry to much coffee ... 10:39 * ringo afk :( 10:39 < valentin> moin 10:39 < blindy> netrunner: https://freshmeat.net/taper 10:42 < netrunner> ringo: tripwire is not really a backup system iirc 10:43 < netrunner> daja77: I recently moved stuff to /dev/null, this is why I realised that raid is not enough :) 10:43 < daja77> :) 10:43 < netrunner> bacula looks good. 10:43 < netrunner> but I have no tape robot :) 11:04 < netrunner> blindy: why is there no rock package taper? *plonk* 11:06 < blindy> netrunner: because... because... I mean... err... *cries* 11:07 * netrunner throws windows cd's after blindy 11:07 < blindy> WAAAH 11:07 * blindy runs away 11:07 * blindy picks up some HP-SUX disks and throws them back at netrunner 11:09 < BoS> re 11:15 < daja77> id'd really like to know why rock builds always screw my ext3 up 11:18 < SMP> they do? then something is really wrong with your hardware or kernel 11:19 < daja77> upgrading the kernel is on my todo :) 11:20 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, rolla, tfing, esden|zZz 11:21 < daja77> https://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,92934,00.html 11:23 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:24 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tfing, owl, rolla, esden|zZz 11:24 < blindy> daja77: nice rant 11:26 < daja77> this one is better https://humorix.org/articles/2004/05/transition/ 11:28 < blindy> renders strangely with netscape 11:30 < blindy> hehe, nice :) 11:30 < blindy> someone should really make a distro nlike that :) 11:32 < daja77> .oO (I follow rxr's paln not to bash other projects here ...) 11:32 < blindy> daja77: convincing yourself? 11:33 < daja77> otherwise i would have given you a hint which distro aims on that ^^ 11:35 < blindy> ah :) 11:37 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-019-219.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-125.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:48 < ChristianQt> re 11:52 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-147.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:52 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:53 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-081-246.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:53 < BoS> re 11:53 < ChristianQt> hi be 11:53 < ChristianQt> hi bos 11:54 < BoS> hi ChristianQt 11:54 < ChristianQt> how are ya? 11:58 < owl> remoin 11:58 < ChristianQt> hi owl 11:58 < owl> hi ChristianQt 11:58 < ChristianQt> havent seen you a long time 11:58 < ChristianQt> how are you? 11:58 < owl> hmmmmmmmmmm. alive. and you? 11:58 < ChristianQt> fine thanks :) 11:59 < owl> <- just opened the eyes about 2 minutes ago, so - aehm - no status available *fg* 12:00 < ChristianQt> owl, hihi :) today no work waiting at your company? 12:00 < owl> i'm not in my company because i 12:00 < owl> 'm ill since december 12:01 < ChristianQt> ill since devember? 12:01 < ChristianQt> oh my god! 12:01 < ChristianQt> what have you got if i am allowed to ask? 12:01 < owl> borderline + depression -> not able to concentrate. 12:02 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 12:02 < ChristianQt> :((( 12:02 < ChristianQt> moin esden 12:02 < blindy> moin owl 12:02 < blindy> moin esden 12:02 < ChristianQt> poor owl _( 12:02 < owl> esdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 12:03 < owl> hmm. not really 12:05 < esden> morning 12:06 * owl throws a wet waschlappen into esdens face 12:06 < esden> :P 12:06 * blindy throws some work at esden 12:19 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 12:24 < owl> hi LowLander 12:24 < LowLander> morge 12:24 < LowLander> or mittag 12:26 < owl> guten hunger ;p 12:32 < owl> hmmmmmmmm. how do i X package, O package and - package in targets? 12:36 < blindy> there see target/bootdisk/config.in 12:37 < owl> thx. shame on my blindness. 13:07 < fake> how can i tell mkisofs that setuid is a flag i do NOT want to loose? 13:09 < fake> -R ? 13:09 < fake> -r doesn't work 13:09 < LowLander> hay fake hows the live-CD going ? 13:09 < LowLander> hey even 13:10 < fake> hm, i just noticed that /usr/X11R6/bin/X is not setuid-root 13:10 < rxr> -hi 13:10 < fake> to, i just wanted to start X ;) 13:10 < fake> hi rxr! 13:10 < blindy> moin rxr 13:11 < rxr> moin all 13:11 < fake> i've got a complete system with X and KDE 3.2.2 (all packets in kde/) in 300MB 13:11 < fake> i thought it would be bigger 13:12 < blindy> fake: compressed with UPX? 13:13 < rxr> compressed with cloop I guess 13:13 < blindy> cloop? 13:13 < rxr> compressed loop device| 13:14 < blindy> ah 13:17 < fake> blindy: noo.. i don't want small size. speed gets more important here 13:17 < fake> yep, cloop 13:17 < blindy> how does cloop compare to upx in terms of size and speed? 13:17 < fake> but i want to make that optional 13:17 < rxr> cloop already is small size - and all is compressed data, libs not only binaries 13:18 < blindy> i see 13:18 < fake> yes, but cloop is fast 13:18 < blindy> upx is fast in decompression, too 13:18 < rxr> fake: do you think additional UPX to the cloop will get a higher compression? 13:18 < fake> rxr: i don't know 13:18 < blindy> rxr: no, that won't work 13:19 < blindy> even compressing an upx-binary with bzip2 doesn't make it any smaller 13:19 < blindy> however, compressing a kernel bzImage with UPX _does_ make that one smaller 13:19 < fake> but it wouldn't harm 13:19 < fake> cloop compresses everything non-executable 13:19 < fake> and the already-compressed executables from upx are already small 13:19 < rxr> fake: huh? 13:20 < rxr> fake: shouldn't it be transparent and just compress all| 13:20 < rxr> ? even 13:20 < fake> rxr: yes. i mean a combination of cloop and upx would be useful nontheless upx'd executables don't get smaller anymore 13:21 < fake> but i didn't even start to shrink it 13:21 < fake> that's just what came out of the build 13:21 < rxr> fake: sorry miss read you writing ... 13:21 < rxr> forget my comment 13:21 < fake> *nods* ;) 13:21 < fake> rxr: btw: the .cache files are veeeery old 13:21 < SMP> indeed 13:22 < rxr> yes 13:22 < rxr> hi SMP 13:24 < fake> -R = setuid files on cd. fine! 13:47 < netrunner> argl. I cannot update subversion because I cannot update python because I have no X :( 13:48 < blindy> ? 13:48 < blindy> I update subversion on my server regularly, and there is no X on that machine 13:50 < netrunner> blindy: it wants Python.h . python wants Xlib.h 13:51 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CA62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:51 < blindy> hmm 13:56 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C114.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 < esden> humm 14:05 < rxr> hi esden 14:10 -!- nookie [~nookie@M368P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:11 -!- nookie [~nookie@M476P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 < owl> <- off for therapy. bye *waves* 14:15 * rxr *waves* back 14:15 < rxr> cu owl 14:32 < netrunner> blindy: https://www.selfesteemgames.mcgill.ca/ 14:34 < blindy> yeah, read about that. 14:34 < blindy> I prefer nethack 14:35 < netrunner> :) 14:36 < daja77> urgs flash games 14:38 < LowLander> flash games from good looking women aren'T that bad :-P 14:38 < rolla> re 14:38 < LowLander> so called UPS, that was enough work for today 14:40 < daja77> how can women look good in flash? 14:42 < LowLander> not that kind of flash :-P 14:44 < netrunner> https://www.ghadzoeux.net/divers/1.mpg 14:45 < LowLander> wow typo3 looks really impressive 14:46 * LowLander really needs to update his webpage 14:46 < LowLander> wonder if typo3 will work at stratot 14:46 * daja77 downloding netrunner's pr0n :) 14:46 < daja77> at what? 14:46 < LowLander> strato 14:46 < netrunner> daja77: pst, don't tell :) 14:46 < LowLander> isp 14:46 < LowLander> better know as stratot 14:47 < daja77> hehe 14:50 < netrunner> blindy: how do you build python without x? 14:51 < daja77> python needs X? 14:51 < rolla> re all 14:51 < blindy> netrunner: I can't remember having needed X to build python 14:52 < blindy> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ mine -q python 14:52 < blindy> python 2.3.2 2.0.0-rc5 14:52 < blindy> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ mine -q xfree 14:52 < blindy> While reading GEM file xfree: No such file or directory 14:52 < daja77> hi rolla 14:55 < daja77> another of these stupid folding videos 15:05 * rxr firmware updating some dump wireless lan AP 15:18 < rxr> hm 15:18 < rxr> at least it works a bit better now 15:18 < rxr> damn small office home office hardware crap 15:38 < rolla> cool 15:39 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 15:45 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-209-153.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:52 < rxr> hm - disabling encryption speeds the netgear crap a bit up 15:52 * rxr will bring it back in some mintues 15:52 < rxr> damn crap hardware 15:52 * rxr wondering why those manfatures are living with those defect products 15:52 * rxr and why they can not produce working hardware ... 15:57 < blindy> they can, but at 3x the times 16:03 < fake> hrmpf 16:04 < rxr> blindy: who care - I need working products 16:04 < rxr> and the AP I have here has a firmware from May 2003 - so they could ship it now in some working state 16:04 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:04 < fake> if i include vesafb in the kernel and set the video= accordingly, i guess another framebuffer will never be used, right? 16:05 < rxr> don't know 16:05 -!- Worf [~worf@193.170.225.113] has joined #rocklinux 16:06 < fourier> hi :) 16:07 < fake> hi fourier 16:07 < fourier> how are you fake ? 16:09 < fourier> silent i see :) 16:11 < fake> busy... 16:11 < fourier> :) 16:11 -!- clifford [~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:15 < fourier> i have downloaded and burned rock 2.0.0 but in the i have a directory called 2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert 16:15 < fourier> is it rc5 or is the stable and final version? 16:20 < rxr> which was the download URL? 16:20 < fourier> https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/%7Edrock/stable/2.0.0/minimal/rock-minimal-2.0.0-rev2366-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso 16:20 < rxr> (it might be possible that my official 2.0.0 included this build-id, since it was the working target ad we tagged it 2.0.0 at the end) 16:20 < rxr> yep - this should be the final release 16:20 < fourier> i see 16:20 < rxr> -rc5 was never released but labelled 2.0.0 16:21 < rxr> so - my new AP is working now 16:21 < fourier> thank you :) 16:21 < rxr> only wasted the last hours flashing firmwares ... 16:21 < rxr> fourier: no problem ;-) 16:25 < fourier> i'll be right back 16:25 -!- fourier [~marco@217.129.50.162] has quit ["leaving"] 16:25 < mnemoc> moin 16:27 * blindy gone 16:41 < rxr> moin mnemoc 16:41 < mnemoc> moin rxr 16:44 < fake> hey, i *slowly* get a clue of SER routing entries 16:54 < mnemoc> hi fake, how is livecd target going? 17:12 < fake> mnemoc: very well 17:12 < mnemoc> good :) 17:13 < mnemoc> fake: why are you using dietlibc? 17:16 < fake> mnemoc: only for initrd 17:16 < fake> hey, X with twm already works ;) 17:20 < mnemoc> =D 17:24 < rxr> https://www.rockslidephoto.com/ 17:24 < rxr> just from osnews.com - due to rock in name ... 17:25 < mnemoc> uhm? 17:28 < rxr> https://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story.php?news_id=4049 17:35 < rxr> hm - for my self-made boxes and amplifier I have to increate the bass on my iBooks audio out ... 17:35 * rxr refactored his flat yesterday evening and this morning 17:36 < rxr> too much embedded stuff, ICs and so on got spread in my libving room - I have a dedicated working room now ... 17:37 < mnemoc> pics? 17:37 < fake> wee! 17:37 < fake> kde works 17:37 < rxr> no digicam (anymore) ... 17:37 < rxr> I could add them to my analog camera and scan them as soon as the film is filled ... 17:37 < rxr> fake: congrats 17:38 < fake> only thing left to do is level-up the volume... 17:38 < rxr> hm - for alsa I guess ... 17:38 < fake> rxr: how can i do that genericaly for any sound card in an init script? 17:38 < rxr> (OSS does this ...) 17:39 < rxr> fake: ALSA? 17:39 < fake> yes 17:39 < fake> sure 17:40 < rxr> hm - I quickly took a look, but have not found alsactl nor alsamixer seem to privde needed control access ... 17:40 < fake> *nod* 17:40 < rxr> I could write a C++ prog if you want 17:40 < fake> i could load snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss 17:40 < rxr> this does not do this 17:40 < fake> and then use umix or s/th like that 17:40 < rxr> only the native OSS drivers set the mider 17:41 < rxr> hm - a bit ugly 17:41 < rxr> but it would do ... 17:41 < fake> i'll leave all the l33t hackish stuff to you ;) 17:42 < rxr> fake: amixer 17:42 * rxr just hacking on the powrepc alsa dirver 17:43 < rxr> driver even 17:43 < rxr> when I gixed the 2.6 kernel one I can play with amixer .... 17:43 < fake> j0 17:44 < fake> amixer is fine 17:44 < fake> i can use Master and PCM 17:44 < fake> they seem to be pretty generic 17:44 < rxr> and bass and treble should be set to 50%, too 17:47 < fake> i don't have controls for that *g* 17:48 < rxr> no? 17:48 < fake> nope 17:48 < rxr> what sound-card/chip whatever is this? 17:48 < fake> nvidia nforce audio junk 17:49 < fake> but the vmware emulated ens1370 also has no bass/treble 17:50 < rxr> oeh - aha 17:50 < rxr> and your nvidia nforce audio junk ? 17:51 < fake> both 17:51 < Worf> nvidia nforce audio works great here - no junk! ( my soundblaster is junk! :-) 17:51 < fake> Worf: do you have Bass/Trebel ALSA controls? 17:52 < fake> rxr: should i start X/kde on boot? 17:52 < rxr> this is your live-cd 17:52 * fake not sure 17:52 < rxr> on some desktop demo live cd I would do so 17:52 < fake> it would be nice for showing off 17:52 < rxr> you use the new xfre86 -configure s.th. auto-detection ? 17:52 < Worf> hmm... fake: weird, i don't seem to have em right now... 17:52 < fake> rxr: no, vesafb *g* 17:53 < Worf> there are damn lot controls - so i didn't notice 2 of em missing :-) 17:53 < fake> rxr: X -configure ? 17:53 < rxr> s.th. like this - do not know off hand 17:54 < fake> last time i tried, it hung the vm 17:54 < rxr> hm 17:54 < fake> j00 have to be r00t to be able to run X -configure 17:54 < fake> that sucks 17:57 < mnemoc> it's expectable 17:58 < fake> X is suid root 17:58 < BoS> rxr: the https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de isn't available at the moment, whats up whit him? 17:59 < rxr> oh - my again a problem there ... 17:59 < rxr> hm - responds to pings here 17:59 < BoS> ah, ic 17:59 < rxr> works here 17:59 < BoS> sh... 18:00 < BoS> download from server was broken (ppc -iso) 18:00 < rxr> in which way broken ? 18:00 < daja77> wget -c 18:00 < rxr> if it has corrupted bits, I also have running rsync there ... 18:01 < rxr> to fix tiny jitters without much transfered bits ... 18:01 < BoS> server not responsed 18:02 < BoS> ok - new downlad start whit wget 18:02 < rxr> new? 18:02 < rxr> how much did you got? 18:02 < rxr> you could rsync the rest ... 18:03 < rxr> kernel people getting on my nerves the renamed _TASK -> _WORK somwhere for 2.6 18:03 < rxr> INIT_TASK -> INIT_WORK 18:03 < rxr> schedule_task -> schedule_work 18:03 < rxr> task_struct -> work_struct 18:03 < rxr> as if we all have too much time for such playing ... 18:04 < rxr> ok - my ppc/tumbler.c modifications compile again 18:04 < BoS> rxr: only 350 mb from the first iso 18:04 < rxr> speak up if you need rsync to fix some ISO in some way ... 18:04 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-167.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:05 < BoS> mhh .. 18:06 * rxr injecting patched snd-powerpc into my running iBook ... 18:06 < BoS> rxr: thx 18:07 < rxr> snd-powermac even 18:08 < BoS> cool - works whit better sound output for imac? 18:09 < rxr> BoS: ? 18:09 * rxr rebooting 18:10 < BoS> yes - my imac has probs whit sound output - newworld 2,1 18:16 < fake> hm... if i use X -configure with vesafb installed, it detects the gfxcard correctly 18:17 < fake> but i can't start it, because vesafb is 'in the way' 18:17 < fake> if i start without vesafb, X -configure hangs 18:27 < blindy> rehi 18:27 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD95307DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:32 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5480813C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:33 -!- ChristianQt [~christian@p50839BD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:34 -!- christian__ [~christian@p54808B13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:35 < rxr> rehi 18:36 < rxr> BoS: on which OS - what kind of sound problems? 18:39 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD95307DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:44 -!- Frederic [~christian@84.128.130.49] has joined #rocklinux 18:51 -!- christian__ [~christian@p54808B13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:52 < mnemoc> submaster: 138 Patches 18:53 < rxr> :-) 18:53 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5480813C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:53 < rxr> ok - I found why my overworked snd-powermac module oopsed ... 18:54 < mnemoc> why? 18:56 < rxr> because some autoupdate function w/ my schedule_work was called before I actually INIT_WORK'ed the work_struct 18:57 < rxr> ok - seems to work 19:00 < rxr> yep works 19:00 < mnemoc> there is any magic tool to trace the flow of a C++ program? 19:00 < rxr> now diffing this beast gets ugly 19:05 -!- Frederic [~christian@84.128.130.49] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:06 -!- Frederic [~christian@p54808231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:14 < netrunner> oh, 2.6.6 ... I am late :) 19:14 < netrunner> iirc it should include laptopmode patch ... 19:14 < mnemoc> laptopmode? 19:15 < netrunner> mnemoc: jup, it delays write access for a defined time to let the hdd spin down 19:16 < mnemoc> cool feature 19:17 < netrunner> jup 19:17 < netrunner> a bit dangerous, but cool. 19:18 * rxr thinks this ugly bit of code should never had been gone into the kernel 19:18 < rxr> especially this rediculous /proc entry to enable/disable it ... 19:18 < rxr> this laptop tuning should be done thru the normal vm / io scheduler behabviour controls 19:19 < rxr> not with some big ugly hack of crap code patching even filesystems 19:19 < rxr> and the last time I looked only some (ext?) filesystems got patch - e.g. not ReiserFS ... 19:19 < rxr> make it only half functional with it ... 19:22 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5480886E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:42 -!- Frederic [~christian@p54808231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:04 < rxr> I just heopfully imporoved mail routing of rocklinux-consulting.de - please notify me if you notice oddities ... 20:10 < fake> woo - first real pc just booted fine 20:10 * fake now trying 2nd 20:13 -!- SMP [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:20 * fake now chatting from live cd 20:20 < daja77> cool 20:21 < fake> in konsole in kde 3.2.2... 20:21 < fake> damn this is fast 20:21 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C1D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C114.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:23 < netrunne1> rxr: isn't the proc interface thought exactly for cases like that? 20:25 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 20:32 < rxr> yes - but not not for /proc/make-the-wohle-kernel-different 20:33 < rxr> we already have /proc/sys/vm 20:33 < rxr> for fine tuning - some tiny additions are sufficent 20:37 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB162.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:48 < fake> the 60 Hz are getting on my nerves 20:49 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 20:49 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:02 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@217.95.43.126] has joined #rocklinux 21:05 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p54803FAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:05 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801E97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:05 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 21:25 -!- bluefire_ [bluefire@217.95.43.126] has quit ["leaving"] 21:31 -!- christian_ is now known as ChristianQt 21:40 -!- tcr_ [~tcr@pD9EABFA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB162.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:58 -!- tcr_ is now known as tcr 21:58 -!- NUMA [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:00 -!- NUMA is now known as SMP 22:11 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M358P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 -!- nookie [~nookie@M476P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:46 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABFA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:14 < ChristianQt> owl, there? 23:18 < fake> https://media.hugi.is/hahradi/fyndnar/maestro_1.wmv 23:18 < fake> you MUST see this 23:18 < fake> (mplayer can handle wmv, no flames plz) 23:20 < fake> hrmpf - berlios cvs is b0rken 23:27 < netrunner> ChristianQt: still want to answer qt questions? ;) 23:27 < ChristianQt> netrunner, yeh 23:28 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I have a method called through a slot. after it ends, cpu consumption goes to 100% and it does not react any more. 23:28 < netrunner> ChristianQt: how do I debug this? :) 23:28 < ChristianQt> omg :) 23:28 < ChristianQt> qDebug? :) 23:28 < netrunner> what might that be? 23:29 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:29 < ChristianQt> MadTux, 23:29 < ChristianQt> :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 23:29 < MadTux> hallo. 23:29 * netrunner *hugs* maddy 23:29 < MadTux> ChristianQt: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 23:29 < ChristianQt> netrunner, qDebug("some debuggin messages"); 23:29 < ChristianQt> qDebug will send everything to stdout netrunner 23:29 < ChristianQt> MadTux, how are you? 23:29 < MadTux> hello nety :) how are u ? 23:29 < MadTux> ChristianQt: good, and happy to see u around after all this time 23:30 < netrunner> ChristianQt: I already have guards around all methods and con/destructors. they all exit. 23:30 < SMP> anyone here who does _not_ yet know about the newly released PowerPC emulator? 23:30 < SMP> pearpc.sf.net 23:30 < netrunner> MadTux: fine, besides qt is driving me mad 23:30 < ChristianQt> netrunner, can I have the sourcecode? 23:30 < daja77> i posted ybout it yesterday 23:30 < daja77> who does the package ;) 23:30 < netrunner> ChristianQt: if you'd like :) 23:31 < ChristianQt> christian@qtforum.org 23:31 < ChristianQt> thx 23:31 < MadTux> netrunner: i never had problems with qt.. 23:31 < MadTux> hi daja77 23:31 < daja77> hi MadTux 23:31 < netrunner> ChristianQt: https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/download/nxfront.tar.bz2 23:32 < netrunner> MadTux: never used it, hey? ;) 23:32 < ChristianQt> netrunner, in which file is the bug? 23:33 < MadTux> netrunner: nope i don;t 23:33 < netrunner> ChristianQt: that if I'd knew :) the qgui.cpp builds up the gui ... if you press the new button, you see (nothing happen but debug messages that tell you) that a connection gets created and passed a bit further. 23:34 < netrunner> ChristianQt: after this, file_new exits and then it hangs. 23:34 < fake> can someone confirm that berlios anonymous cvs is broken? 23:34 < ChristianQt> netrunner, wait 23:36 < ChristianQt> netrunner, file new? 23:37 < netrunner> jup. in qgui 23:37 < ChristianQt> hmmm wait 23:37 < netrunner> but it exits. _after_ that, something happens. 23:38 * netrunner browsing to qtforum.org ... :) 23:40 < ChristianQt> netrunner, :) 23:42 < ChristianQt> oh a german one :) 23:42 < netrunner> ChristianQt: oh, sorry. nothing important in there, just my notes :) 23:43 < netrunner> ChristianQt: found something? have you tried it? 23:43 < ChristianQt> netrunner, same here. cpu 100% - I have aborted it 23:43 < ChristianQt> netrunner, what would you like to do in this slot? 23:44 < netrunner> ChristianQt: create a connection and add it's graphical representation into the listbox. 23:45 < ChristianQt> netrunner, you cant create a connection at runtime... 23:45 < netrunner> ChristianQt: qconnection is derived from QListBoxText for that. 23:45 < SMP> rotfl. rocklinux 5 sites (including #1) on the first page when googling for "nx-x11" 23:45 < netrunner> ChristianQt: connection is a name of my class 23:45 < ChristianQt> ah i see 23:45 < netrunner> SMP: ugh, I think I should really soon fix that package :) 23:46 * SMP still doesn't know exaclty what it does? something like VNC? 23:51 < netrunner> SMP: it is a X server with builtin nx-compression. 23:52 < SMP> you mean like Xvnc? 23:53 < SMP> or it compresses the connection to the clients? 23:55 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-081-246.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:58 < fake> SMP: a proxy 23:58 < fake> it kills roundtrips --- Log closed Wed May 12 00:00:18 2004