WebHosting Paid by #1Payday.Loans
--- Log opened Thu May 13 00:00:32 2004 00:34 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 00:39 -!- k3t_ [~k3t@pD9E8DC16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:46 < fake> hm 00:46 < fake> who can think of cool features to add to the livecd target_ 00:46 -!- BoS_ [~BoS@dialin-212-144-017-145.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:48 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-080-164.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:49 < dsoul> fake how many pages do you want?:P 00:52 < fake> dsoul: just begin, i will stop ypu 00:53 < fake> 6 more one-liners 00:53 < fake> storm your brain 00:56 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@145.254.133.178] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:56 < dsoul> fake what do you have already? 00:57 < fake> ok... 00:57 < fake> dsoul: do you speak german? 00:58 < dsoul> no :/ 01:00 < fake> np 01:00 * fake switching to on-the-fly translation 01:00 < fake> (these morons insist on getting the docs in german.. blaeh) 01:01 < dsoul> :) 01:01 < fake> - saving user's setting on usb stick 01:01 < fake> - usage of XFree autoconfig instead of vesafb 01:01 < fake> - name of the default user configurable 01:02 < fake> - precalculation of estimated overall size 01:02 < fake> - support for powerpc liveCDs 01:02 < fake> - make removal of header files and static libraries configurable 01:03 < fake> - package preselection templates for specific purposes like rescue-cd, wardriving-cd,... 01:03 < fake> that's what i've got 01:04 < dsoul> - installation on disk? 01:05 < dsoul> - running from ramdisk? 01:05 < fake> installation is disk is good 01:05 < fake> running from ramdisk? huh? 01:05 * fake running from nothing 01:05 < fake> *g* 01:06 < dsoul> copying data from cd to ramdisk at runtime 01:06 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-232.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:07 < fake> i don't get that 01:07 < fake> you mean to release the cd-rom drive? 01:07 < dsoul> something like that 01:08 < fake> that will be hard 01:08 < dsoul> you can create tempfs and copy files that are used the most 01:09 < fake> oh, i already have a tmpfs for /home and /var and /tmp 01:10 < fake> however, please continue 01:10 * fake mentally sucked dry 01:10 < dsoul> :) 01:15 < LowLander> fake hows the work going ? 01:15 < LowLander> already have something that others can try ? 01:17 < LowLander> oh well bed time 01:17 < fake> LowLander: yes 01:18 * fake just finishing the 14th page of documentation 01:18 < LowLander> oh cool 01:18 < LowLander> is it in svn ? 01:19 < fake> not yet 01:19 < fake> still needs a final polish 01:19 < fake> it will be in sm tomorrow or so 01:19 < LowLander> ok look forward to it to try it out 01:19 < LowLander> but now its sleep time 01:19 < LowLander> cya 01:21 < fake> n8! 01:21 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-137-232.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 01:32 < dsoul> - saving/loading configuraiton from network? 01:38 < fake> woo 01:39 < fake> but how? 01:39 < fake> hard to it correctly automatically ;) 01:40 < dsoul> master server? 01:43 < fake> yeah, but how do i differ clients? 01:45 < dsoul> by logging to accounts on master server? 01:46 < fake> yp ? 01:47 < esden> yp you spoke one of the killer letter combinations fake 01:47 < fake> hm, that is too specific i'm afraid. one can always do that by hand, just select yp packages and add config files to the usb stick 01:48 * fake reaind Javier Augusto's mail @rlml 01:48 < fake> *reading 01:48 < fake> ... (no comment) 02:10 < fake> 14 pages, proof-read and sent. enough. 02:13 -!- MadTux [~mike@200.91.100.27] has joined #rocklinux 02:13 < esden> hi MadTux 02:13 < MadTux> hi 02:16 * fake going sl33p0r1ng 02:17 < esden> n8 fake 03:14 -!- kasc_ [kasc@213.23.204.59] has joined #rocklinux 03:17 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-083-046-013.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:17 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 03:18 -!- MadTux [~mike@200.91.100.27] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:32 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 03:32 < esden|zZz> n8 * 03:40 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF1BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:44 -!- LowLander [erwin@217.235.236.128] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 < mnemoc> re 06:12 -!- nookie [~nookie@M468P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:19 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M494P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:50 -!- togg [~togg@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:08 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5083981C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:11 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39E2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:16 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD95302CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:16 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD9E39C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:29 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5083981C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:30 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD9E39C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:31 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39E2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:35 < BoS_> moin moin 08:11 < rxr> moin 08:11 < rxr> hi BoS_ 08:11 < BoS_> hi rxr 08:15 -!- BoS_ is now known as BoS 08:19 -!- alanjwylie [frog@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:21 -!- alanjwylie [frog@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 08:28 < netrunner> moin 08:29 < BoS> moin netrunner 08:30 < rxr> hi netrunner 08:31 < netrunner> hi u2 :) 08:57 < rxr> WiX installer 08:57 < rxr> oh my god 08:57 < rxr> only M$ morons can come up with such namges :-( 09:02 < netrunner> :) 09:02 * netrunner sings "... aba olle samma wixa, und a jeda woas wias geed" 09:05 < rxr> WiX - the leading installer for p0rn software 09:05 < netrunner> rxr: hehe, you install interesting things :) 09:05 < rxr> this is just reading /. 09:06 < rxr> and no - I have no hacked Wine on my iBook ... ,) 09:06 < rxr> this WiX installer is now free source - on sourceforge.net 09:07 < rxr> ah, no it is for soem time 09:07 < rxr> WTL is now free source ... 09:08 * netrunner trying opera 09:08 < rxr> (when one can consider the CPL free 09:09 < netrunner> looks nice, and is faster on my laptop. 09:09 < rxr> faster than konqueror? 09:09 < netrunner> what is wtl? 09:09 < netrunner> windows telefone library? 09:09 < rxr> just read slashdot 09:09 < rxr> nope 09:09 < rxr> windows template library 09:09 < rxr> btw, you know that when you need fast probably dillo is for you? 09:11 < netrunner> that's what I normally use and always update :) but some things need ssl or jscript. 09:11 < rxr> or css (...) 09:16 < netrunner> I think it can even do a subset of css. I read in the changelog that they added functionalities several times. 09:17 < rxr> hm - I have two builds running on my iBook 09:17 < rxr> and when I start rocknet it needs 6 seconds to parse my config ... 09:18 < rxr> (ok - well it is long ...) 09:18 < rxr> so if it would be idle this would still be 2 seconds 09:18 < rxr> I think I should profile rocknet a bit ... 09:20 < rxr> oh - ppp is expensive 09:20 < rxr> ppp_option, too 09:25 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E396D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:25 < rxr> hi Frederic 09:25 [Users #rocklinux] 09:25 [ Aard ] [ esden|zZz] [ LowLander] [ owl ] [ StefanG ] 09:25 [ alanjwylie] [ fake ] [ luckz ] [ praenti] [ tfing ] 09:25 [ blindy ] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 09:25 [ BoS ] [ Frederic ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 09:25 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ netrunner] [ SMP ] 09:25 [ dsoul ] [ kasc ] [ nookie ] [ snyke ] 09:25 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 09:42 < rxr> boring blender build 09:47 < rxr> our blender.conf get's messier and messier 09:47 < rxr> why do they munch their build system with each release a bit more 09:47 < rxr> do they want to sell prebuild binaries since nobody can buld them anymore 09:48 * rxr wonder if each blender developer does patch < ~/blender-secret-makefile-fixes.patch 09:56 < netrunner> no, they do svn up && scripts/Build-Pkg blender :) 09:56 < SMP> LOL 09:57 < rxr> #!AHGÖ'?!?! 09:57 < rxr> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/ROCK/src.blender.1084256757.17523.3543404218/blender-2.33/lib/linux-glibc2.3.3-powerpc/solid/lib/libsolid.a', needed by `/ROCK/src.blender.1084256757.17523.3543404218/blender-2.33/obj/linux-glibc2.3.3-powerpc/bin/blender'. Stop. 09:57 < rxr> this gets broing 09:57 < rxr> boring even 10:03 < blindy> moin 10:04 < dsoul> hi blindy 10:19 < blindy> ok, looks like LVP 0.4.1 is ready for primetime 10:20 < blindy> fake: here? 10:21 < rxr> anyone problems with this rocknet feature addition (helping joe users with ROCK Net)): 10:21 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 rlc 10:21 < rxr> Interface eth0(rlc) is already listed active, it is probably a good idea to 10:21 < rxr> take it down before activating it. Use -force to suppress this warning. 10:21 < rxr> # ./ifdown eth0 rlc 10:21 < rxr> Interface / profile matched: eth0(rlc) 10:21 < rxr> iptables: Can't delete chain with refer 10:22 < rxr> -- the last line of course 10:23 < blindy> what would that mean? 10:23 < blindy> I am not that deep into iptables 10:23 < rxr> nah - ignore the iptables thing 10:23 < rxr> the error message is important 10:23 < rxr> many pieple do subsequent runs of ifup aka rocknet 10:24 < rxr> resulting in totally messed interfaces configurations because they never down them 10:24 < rxr> so why my current modifications you get a warning if you want to "up" (activate) and already active interface 10:24 < blindy> I think that's fine 10:25 < rxr> and if if you try to deactivate an unactive interface (normally resulting in tons of ip and iptables error messages anyway) 10:26 < blindy> I expected this to be true already >_< 10:26 < rxr> no clifford defined ROCK Net to silently ignore not existing interfaces / profiles 10:27 < rxr> as feature 10:27 < rxr> so, now you get: 10:27 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 rlc 10:27 < rxr> Interface eth0(rlc) is already marked active, it is probably a good idea to 10:27 < rxr> take it down before activating it. Use -force to suppress this warning. 10:27 < rxr> # ./ifdown eth0 rlc 10:27 < rxr> Interface eth0(rlc) is not listed active, it is probably a good idea to 10:27 < rxr> activate it before deactivating it. Use -force to suppress this warning. 10:28 < rxr> and rocknet tells what it did: 10:28 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 rlc 10:28 < rxr> Interface / profile matched: eth0(rlc) 10:28 < rxr> and when the interface was not present: 10:29 < rxr> # ./ifup hackme0 10:29 < rxr> Unknown interface for profile: 'hackme0' 10:29 < rxr> (silently ignored before) 10:29 < rxr> and then the profile does not exist: 10:29 < blindy> hmm 10:29 < rxr> # ./ifup eth0 hackprofile 10:29 < rxr> Unknown profile: 'hackprofile' 10:29 < rxr> (sliently ingnored before: 10:29 < rxr> ) 10:30 < blindy> it would probably be nice to add -q,--quiet 10:30 < blindy> for init-scripts or probing 10:30 < rxr> there is no probing case 10:30 < blindy> but when used from a commandline it should say that it failed 10:30 < rxr> and for the init script I want to see what it did 10:31 < SMP> yeah, wait till you have 200 vlan interfaces :> 10:31 < blindy> just add a -q, it doesn't hurt and doesn't need to do more than: `exec >/dev/null 2>/dev/null` 10:31 < rxr> SMP: do you have such configs? 10:31 < blindy> oh, cool 10:31 < blindy> svn segfaulted 10:31 < SMP> rxr: no. so? 10:32 < rxr> I do not think the init scripts should be quite per default 10:32 < rxr> I expect the init script to tell me what it activated 10:32 < blindy> no, but they should support silence 10:33 < rxr> for load balancing the workload, you are free to add it 10:34 < blindy> ok, I will add the following line to argument parsing: q) exec >/dev/null 2>/dev/null ;; 10:34 < rxr> I would reject 10:34 < rxr> it 10:35 < rxr> critical errors shoudl still be displayed 10:35 < rxr> including errors during parsing (unknown keywords) 10:35 < blindy> *shrugs* 10:35 < blindy> hmm 10:35 < blindy> ok, I'll think of something 10:35 < rxr> slient=1 10:35 < rxr> and conditional the warnings ... 10:36 < rxr> but rocknet does not yet include argument parsing (it hard uses the first 3 arguments 10:36 < rxr> although is also no problem to add the while loop, I alrady have enough on the TODO 10:36 < blindy> either that, or open a third fd for critical error messages... nah... that would be messy 10:37 < blindy> I'll think of something as soon as I have submitted the LVP update to 0.4.1-final 10:37 < blindy> have to update svn before that (already running) 10:52 < rxr> aha: 10:52 < rxr> Auto* 10:52 < rxr> 2004/02/15 20:40:45 CET: the automake/autoconf system has been removed from CVS due to lack of maintenance (and interest thereof among the active developers). This system has been replace by SCons, which is capable of building Blender on several systems, also those where auto* can't be found. 10:52 < rxr> 10:52 < rxr> 10:52 < rxr> Both the NAN_* makefiles and SCons (and the project files for MSVC) are actively maintained and they will be for now the only build systems that are supported. 10:53 < dsoul> lol 10:59 < blindy> damn... hit a svn bug >_< 11:02 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@129.70.207.63] has joined #rocklinux 11:03 < rxr> hi Lorini 11:03 < Lorini> hi rxr 11:05 < blindy> moin Lorini 11:05 < dsoul> hi Lorini 11:05 < Lorini> hi blindy, dsoul :) 11:18 < blindy> tagging LVP 0.4.1 11:27 < daja77> re 11:31 < dsoul> hi daja77 11:31 < netrunner> hi Lorini 11:31 < Lorini> huhu netrunner 11:40 < rxr> oh my - I have to edit blender ... 11:40 < daja77> sounds like fun ... 11:41 < rxr> yes - big fun 11:41 < rxr> fixing other peoples vector remplates 11:41 < daja77> hrhr 11:41 < netrunner> how can I do linebreaks in latex \[ ... \] env ? 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@81.48.208.137] has joined #rocklinux 11:43 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-222.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:43 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:44 < daja77> netrunner: \\? 11:48 < rxr> hm - the gcc34 patch for blender will nto be that small 11:50 < netrunner> daja77: doesn't break, is simply ignored. 11:50 < daja77> iirc \\ is just a shortcut, but forgot the long version 11:52 < rxr> error: no matching function for call 11:52 < rxr> how I love this one 11:52 < rxr> (the next GCC major update that required code changes will be fixed my me only warning about it - so the people can fix their code alone ...)I 11:53 < daja77> remember blender has been a commercial project ... 11:57 < rxr> yeah - extern/solid has built now 12:37 < th> daja77: \\[*][margin] 12:39 < th> uhh seems that we don't have necessary userland tools for LVM2 12:54 < rxr> uhh - the beldern peoüple shoudl really clean and rewrite this Makefile mess ... 12:55 * th donates rxr a new keyboard... 12:55 < rxr> oh ... 12:55 < rxr> I shoudl actually take a look on the screen before I hit enter 12:56 < rxr> should even - *lol* 12:56 < th> ;0] 12:56 < rxr> those Makefiles drive me crazy .. 13:00 * daja77 gives rxr some pills to relax 13:03 < rxr> oh my - now linking fails with: 13:03 < rxr> g++: /usr/lib/python2.2/config/libpython2.2.a: No such file or directory 13:04 < daja77> O_O 13:04 < rxr> oh - my - this is python_2.3_ 13:04 < rxr> damn crap hardcoded and missing crap all over those files 13:04 < rxr> who is suppost to compile this :-( 13:04 * daja77 notes that rxr does not follow his plan any longer 13:04 < rxr> ah yes forgot, the harder it is to build the better it can be slod 13:05 < rxr> daja77: ah yes - this nice plan sure it is great 13:05 < rxr> but not when I waste too much time fixing a single package to build ... 13:05 < daja77> it is more fun to rant :D 13:06 < rxr> ah $(NAN_PYTHON_VERSION) 13:07 < rxr> oh my - THIS IS HARDCODED IN A ifeq ($(OS),xyz) monster table 13:08 < rxr> different for each os ... 13:08 < rxr> :-((((((((((((( 13:08 < LowLander> no wonder NaN went broke :-) 13:08 < daja77> waah 13:08 * LowLander waits on fake's live-Cd :-) 13:08 < daja77> guess even autoconf would have been smarter 13:09 * rxr hardcodes this to PYVER as used in ROCK :-( 13:12 < rxr> ah no - just overwrite it .. 13:13 < rxr> wow - lots of undefined references 13:13 * rxr why have I feared this ... 13:14 < rxr> hm - openal's fault 13:14 < rxr> ah - not openal is linked ok ... 13:15 < rxr> argh - they link statically? 13:16 < fake> moin 13:16 < rxr> argh 13:16 < rxr> ifeq ($(OS),$(findstring $(OS), "freebsd linux windows")) 13:16 < rxr> ifeq ($(CPU),$(findstring $(CPU), "i386 powerpc")) 13:16 < rxr> wow - you only get openal support on i386 and powerpc 13:17 < rxr> neither alpha, arm, mips, ia64 ... 13:17 < fake> but on windows/ppc, too! 13:17 < fake> ;) 13:17 * rxr is at the ponit considering rm -rf blender* 13:18 < fake> rxr: before you do that, we could use the binary packages 13:18 < rxr> I do not want to use it 13:18 < rxr> I wanted the pacakge to build w/ gcc-3.4 13:18 < fake> iirc, there even is a binary package for mips? 13:18 * rxr does not care about binaries 13:19 < fake> *AHEM* syslinuxmurmel 13:20 < LowLander> hey fake hows things going ? 13:21 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CE72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:21 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CF49.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 < Lorini> wb netrunner 13:21 < daja77> hi Lorini 13:22 < Lorini> huhu daja :) 13:22 < rxr> g++: /usr/lib/libGL.a: No such file or directory 13:22 < rxr> g++: /usr/lib/libGLU.a: No such file or directory 13:23 < blindy> sounds reasonable 13:23 * blindy remembers these problems with LVP 13:25 < daja77> /usr/X11/lib/libGL.a perhaps 13:25 < rxr> we have do not have static versions of those 13:25 * rxr now patched away the blenderstatic target 13:25 < rxr> I do only want a dynamic version anyway ... 13:25 < rxr> ok 13:25 < rxr> linked 13:25 < rxr> done 13:25 < rxr> finally 13:26 * rxr creating a huge patch 13:27 < dsoul> rxr more than 10mb?:) 13:27 < rxr> no 13:27 < dsoul> so its small :P 13:35 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:03 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-017-145.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux [] 14:04 < netrunner> rxr: I want to package netperf ... it puts the binaries to /opt/netperf/ by default, shall I change this? 14:04 < netrunner> (to /usr/bin eg) 14:12 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M359P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:15 < rxr> yes 14:15 < rxr> honor $prefix 14:17 < netrunner> is ${prefix} valid in a makefile? 14:19 -!- togg [~togg@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@M468P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:19 -!- togg [~togg@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:25 -!- togg [~togg@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:27 -!- esden [~esdentem@rincewind.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA3B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 < rxr> $(prefix) should be 14:33 * daja77 trying to apply this garbeld patchfile from the libsdl ppl 14:41 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:45 -!- esden is now known as esden|bbl 14:48 < daja77> damn why the hack someone posts a patch in quoted-printable 14:59 < rxr> and me not why people laik da wrait za kool 15:00 < rxr> rdml 15:01 < LowLander> because da ppl watch da MTV to much 15:01 < daja77> huh? 15:02 < LowLander> its like the trolls on heise 15:02 < LowLander> if you can't spell you hide it by talk da c00l 15:02 < rxr> rock-devel mailing list 15:03 < LowLander> rxr the funny thing is always that ppl get pissed and offended when you say something and in the end still want something from you 15:04 < LowLander> "yer an ass for pointing out my spelling, now give me the software" 15:04 < rxr> ,-) 15:05 < LowLander> its like "those fucking open source programmers don't even want to add my feature that i need and don't want to program myself" 15:06 < LowLander> so fake where is my live-CD ;-) 15:07 < rxr> ;-) 15:08 < tcr> Is google responding very slowly to you, too? 15:08 < tcr> It just answered a ping after >200ms 15:08 < LowLander> google.de feels kind of slow yeah 15:08 < daja77> rxr: *shrug* don't care about javito anyway 15:09 < rxr> daja77: do you know him? 15:09 < LowLander> google.com is a lot faster 15:10 < daja77> he was in this chan before 15:10 < daja77> according to mike, a hacker wannabe with no clue 15:10 < daja77> he is from .cr too 15:10 < LowLander> rxr is the live-cd stuff from fake going to be added to svn ? 15:10 < tcr> LowLander, Well, I'm automatically redirected to .de 15:11 < LowLander> oops add a "when" there 15:11 < daja77> and if he is fine with gentoo why is he bothering us with that shit 15:11 < rxr> LowLander: I think so 15:11 < LowLander> tcr click the link to .com on the page 15:12 * LowLander hates that from google, that they redirect you to a .de or .nl or where ever 15:12 < LowLander> if i type.com i want .com 15:13 < tcr> Well, you have to consider that a service 15:13 < tcr> at least for the majority of people, anyway :) 15:13 < LowLander> rxr cause the live-CD sounds like a good base for what i want, and i would rather build on that that start from scratch and do work double 15:14 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-100.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:14 < rxr> LowLander: yep - a live-cd is on our todo for a too long time now 15:15 < nzg> moin 15:15 < rxr> fakes code should go in - if not his, at least a reviewed one - but I'm confident that fake's code will ok 15:16 * LowLander is just randomly collecting stuff for his project, now i am playing with postnuke 15:16 < tcr> LowLander, What for? 15:17 < LowLander> tcr how do you mean "what for" 15:17 < tcr> LowLander, What you think you need postnuke for? 15:17 < LowLander> website 15:18 < LowLander> not in ROCK , just in general 15:18 < tcr> Oh, I thought as toilet paper... ;) Of course, for a website, but I think postnuke is overrated and mostly inappriate 15:19 < tcr> So my question is what you need postnuke for. As content manager? 15:19 < netrunner> LowLander: .com has nothing to do with the language. .us and .uk are english countries. .com is just company, and even non-english spoken countries have companies :) 15:19 < LowLander> netrunner, i know ;-P 15:20 < LowLander> netrunner, i just wanted to point out i don't like to be redirected from .com to .de and than have to click a link to get back at .com 15:20 < daja77> netrunner: the focus is us companies, companies in other countries should have sth like .co.uk, but that's all theory of course 15:20 < LowLander> tcr hmmm postnuke is pretty easy to setup 15:21 < LowLander> tcr but i am just looking at CMS stuff , typo3 seemed like a serious overkill 15:21 < LowLander> some other were just crap 15:21 < tcr> LowLander, I'd most probably just set up a small wiki with generic template stuff. That suffices for most things 15:22 < LowLander> tcr whats wrong with postnuke ? :-) 15:23 < tcr> I personally find it blowed up; don't like sites running it. Of course, this is a purely personal opinion. YMMV 15:23 < LowLander> well it is not really a CMS, but does most things i like to have 15:24 < LowLander> like msg-board, news, downloads, and multiperson management 15:25 < tcr> I don't know about your project, but I'd say that you won't need neither of those for close time :) 15:26 < tcr> I'm a little purist on such things and like to evolve from simple things to more advanced one. 15:26 < tcr> Howsoever, don't wanna to get into the stuff of yours ;) 15:27 < LowLander> well i have the experiance that the start simple and move to more complex is the "i want to do everything myself" syndrome and costs more time in the end ;-) 15:27 < tcr> That's why I suggested using a wiki. Most come with a simple user authorization scheme 15:28 * netrunner getting fluent in c++/qt :) 15:28 < LowLander> netrunner, poor you ;-) 15:29 < netrunner> LowLander: why? 15:29 < LowLander> cause i don't like Qt :-) 15:29 < LowLander> C++ is good though 15:30 < tcr> I disagree heartly (about the latter). :) 15:34 < LowLander> :-P 15:35 * LowLander sends tcr back to his VB ;-P 15:35 < tcr> Visual Basic? 15:37 * netrunner thinks it's ok. 15:37 < LowLander> yeah i mean most of the time i hear ppl don'T like C++ they end up being VBS "programmers" 15:37 < LowLander> or they end up being those pesky C purists ;-) 15:37 < tcr> I can't remember having anytime had anything to do with visual basic 15:38 < tcr> Don't be too narrow-bounded 15:38 < LowLander> just kidding 15:39 < rxr> tcr: yes - all mighty leader - you are the best and only one 15:39 < LowLander> everything has its place (not sure about VB though) 15:39 < rxr> now sit down 15:39 < tcr> LowLander, Oh sorry didn't see the smiley :) 15:39 < tcr> rxr: Eh, what's your problem? 15:40 * LowLander slowly back away from rxr and tcr :-) 15:40 < LowLander> backs 15:41 < tcr> There are far too many out there believing that the world only consists of C/C++ 15:42 < netrunner> well, it's based on it :) 15:43 < rxr> Exception handling is not my problem, tcr. 15:44 < tcr> rxr: Sorry, I do not understand ? 15:44 < LowLander> tcr i like Python too :-P 15:44 < LowLander> perl is not my thing though 15:46 < rxr> tcr: Oh , you do not understand? Narrow minded? 15:47 < rxr> oh - this are many releases in short time: 15:47 < rxr> https://www.sparc-boot.org/pub/silo/ 15:51 < tcr> rxr: I'm sorry but my understanding of narrow-minded doesn't match to yours. 15:51 < tcr> rxr: Could you please tell me why you keep on being rush to me? 15:52 < tcr> I don't remember having offended you in any way. Did I? 15:52 < rxr> because of your unqualified comments on rock-user, tcr? 15:58 < tcr> Why do you think was my mail unqualified? 16:00 < tcr> And why didn't you replied to the places which considered unqualified or which you didn't agree to instead of being pesky to me here? 16:00 < daja77> it is e.g. quite unprofessional to say in public that you don't think rock is a meta distro, without having ever said why in public too, instead asking people to join your private club, besides from not having contributed for a long time either 16:01 < rxr> because I see no point in flaming rock-user just to speak to somewone who is not listen anyway 16:02 < tcr> rxr: Actually it was my intent to stop the flaming between you and the other guy 16:03 < rxr> might it be the case that you have some farther syndrome 16:03 < tcr> daja77, I don't think that has anything to do with professionality in any way, and I didn't say that 16:04 * rxr has no time for this talking 16:04 < tcr> I actually neither atm 16:05 * rxr wonder why you then started this "I'm the best leader of the world and anyone else narrow minded thing again ...) 16:05 < daja77> If you, dear Ryan, happen to be nontheless interessed in some 16:05 < daja77> meta-distribution concept far beyond Gentoo, then contact myself 16:05 < daja77> privately and I think we could have some nice chat about. 16:05 < daja77> from your mail ... 16:06 < tcr> So what's wrong with that? 16:06 < daja77> and a bit earlier you said that rock linux does not match your personal standards for meta distribution 16:07 < tcr> I thought it's far better not contributing anything more to that thread and let it die 16:08 < daja77> it sounds like you are the wise guy, inviting ppl to your private party, and let the other dumb ppl continueing their wrong way 16:08 < tcr> And not to force him to claim his personal position to the rock ml with which he had a conflict (bad term, sorry can't think of a better one now) 16:09 < tcr> Well, it's right that I don't think ROCK as it is at the moment is a Real DBK. What's wrong with that? Given that you and me also think that Gentoo isn't a Real DBK and Rock is far closer to it. Why would you want to claim that right to you only what is when a Real DBK (which is a kind of platonic ideal) 16:11 < tcr> And for the record he didn't ever contact me privately; so he really isn't interested in a far more interesting concept of a metadistribution than gentoo. Well, then let him stuck and die with it :) 16:11 < daja77> i don't care if you think it is or not, I'd like to know why and i want it to hear in public, this pretending to know better without supplying info sounds quite jerky to me 16:12 < tcr> If you're fine with it, what's your problem with me then anyway? 16:13 < daja77> could yous start reading whole sentences 16:13 < daja77> please 16:13 < tcr> I'm sorry have to go 16:14 < rxr> yes as always "I know all better" "Yes, what?" "Oh - I have to go now." 16:15 < tcr> I don't think as always is in any way justified 16:15 < tcr> I'll write my issues down but not now, ok please? :) 16:15 * LowLander gets some popcorn and enjoys the show 16:16 < tcr> You should also look around me and ask others what their issues are 16:16 * rxr already smilles with a cup tea in one hand, too 16:16 < daja77> what? 16:16 < rxr> issues with what? 16:16 < tcr> Anyway. See you later 16:16 < LowLander> cy 16:16 < LowLander> cya 16:16 < daja77> if ppl have issues with us, they are welcome to tell us 16:17 < daja77> sheeesh what a nonsense 16:17 < tcr> Yeah, like mnemoc or jimmy. Both raised things recenlty and in past without much feedback 16:17 < tcr> That's very sad 16:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA3B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:17 < LowLander> hmm what was his problem ? 16:17 < rxr> hopefully for a longer time - pugh 16:18 < daja77> i have no idea 16:18 < LowLander> doesn't like current "management" or something like that ? 16:18 * rxr does not know his problems either - but I can not stand ranitng people without any value ... 16:19 < rxr> "I do not want svn - I want arch; I don't like ROCK, I want me own" ... 16:19 < LowLander> so whats the problem, just do that than 16:19 < netrunner> .o( blindy does not like blindy, bot what does he want ? ;) 16:20 < rxr> LowLander: what was a citation 16:20 < daja77> we could ask mnemoc if he feels ignored 16:20 < rxr> I can only imagine this local thing - but I see no need for it 16:20 < rxr> and many other don't seem to, too 16:20 < rxr> if they need it they can keep this 5 line modification in a branch ... 16:20 < rxr> no big deal 16:21 < daja77> and i remember having read discussions with jimmy on ml too, so what's this shit all about 16:21 < rxr> aside that I think this local proposal does not fit into the framework in any way 16:21 * LowLander is kind of lost now 16:21 < daja77> LowLander: don't worry 16:22 < rxr> mabe just that this 16 year old need to demonstrate itself 16:22 < LowLander> from an embeeded point of view better cross-building would be nice 16:22 < rxr> yes 16:22 < rxr> this is why it is on the TODO ... ;-) 16:22 < daja77> :) 16:22 < LowLander> good 16:22 < rxr> well discussed just waiting for someone with some time to spend 16:23 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/ 16:23 < LowLander> well i am not deep enough in it to do anything "useful" 16:23 < daja77> ah hat reminds me 16:24 < daja77> oh no forget it 16:24 < daja77> <- coffee nervous 16:24 < LowLander> rxr hows the manual for target building going ? :-) 16:25 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/index.php?do=details&id=2 16:25 < rxr> cross compile is so high on the todo that it was the 2nd bug/feature entered in flyspray ;-) 16:26 < rxr> ah - no the first ;-) there does not seem to be an id=1 ... 16:26 < daja77> *gg* 16:26 < LowLander> hehe 16:26 < LowLander> rxr is there any problem with x-compiling (ppart from time) 16:27 < rxr> we need to restructe some things and need some more infrastructure for this (e.g. helper programs need to be available in an host version uic and so 16:27 < LowLander> yeah 16:27 < rxr> this just needs some ROCK developer do add it ... ;-) 16:29 * rxr starting to hate blender 16:29 < rxr> the day started so productive - and then came blender 16:30 < daja77> i know that feeling 16:31 < rolla> re 16:31 < daja77> hi rolla 16:31 < rolla> hallo 16:31 < rxr> hi rolla 16:34 < LowLander> rxr so skip blender 16:34 * daja77 agrees 16:35 < LowLander> ok guy have to get some "real" work done ,cya 16:38 < togg> mnemoc: how can i enable runit + socklog? 16:38 < togg> mnemoc: i use sysvinit atm 16:39 < togg> if I add them to package selection they are still not built 17:46 < mnemoc> togg: Config -> pkgsel -> X runit \n X socklog \n X ipsvd 17:46 < mnemoc> rxr: hi 17:46 < mnemoc> i got the old damn mount problem with a jsut created bootdisk (2.0-stable) 17:47 < togg> mnemoc: ipsvd? 17:47 < mnemoc> inetd/tcpserver replacement :) 17:48 < togg> i just want an stable remote logger :) 17:48 < togg> with local logging when no remote is available 17:48 < daja77> mnemoc: have we ignored you? 17:48 < mnemoc> hi daja77 17:48 < togg> i dont know if it is easy to change from sysvinit to runit??? 17:48 < mnemoc> daja77: what do u mean? 17:49 < mnemoc> easy enough 17:49 < daja77> just wondering, tcr said we were ignoring you 17:49 < mnemoc> oh 17:50 < mnemoc> togg: on a rock? 17:53 < mnemoc> daja77: i don't know, at least i don't feel ignored :) 17:53 < daja77> good :) 17:56 < togg> mnemoc: of course on rock 17:56 < togg> i saw your package ;) thats why I ask u 17:57 < mnemoc> if you are building a new rock, and you enable ruint and disable sysvinit it just work :p 17:57 < mnemoc> Emerging it will work too 17:57 < togg> ;) 17:57 < mnemoc> but you will need to do the symlinks yourself 17:57 < togg> symlinks in etc/init.d ? 17:58 < togg> does runit restart crashed services? 17:59 < togg> I cant change too easy to runit since I use SuSe Init Scripts :D 17:59 < mnemoc> just as daemontools 18:00 < mnemoc> runit (on rock) installs it's ow init scripts for the services i have added :) 18:01 < togg> I will first try to run the socklog without runit 18:01 < mnemoc> it uses svlogd from runit 18:01 < togg> hmm but it doesnt require to be startet from runit? 18:02 < togg> I mean does it required that the whole system is bootet with runit 18:02 < mnemoc> i think you can run runsv by hand 18:04 < mnemoc> socklog output /dev/log to be catched by svlogd, then a ./run ./log/run schema is needed 18:13 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:13 < MadTux> moin. 18:13 < daja77> hi mnemoc 18:13 < daja77> args 18:13 < mnemoc> :) 18:13 < daja77> hi MadTux 18:14 < mnemoc> hi MadTux 18:14 < MadTux> hi mr gates.. 18:14 < MadTux> i mean daja77 18:14 < MadTux> hello mnemoc-chan 18:14 < daja77> gates? 18:14 < MadTux> it will come to u 18:14 < MadTux> :) 18:14 < daja77> waaah 18:14 < MadTux> :P 18:14 < daja77> this day is cursed 18:14 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:15 < MadTux> hallo tiefengrund 18:15 < MadTux> daja77: why? 18:15 < daja77> everything fscks up here 18:16 < tiefengrund> hallo MadTux 18:16 < MadTux> daja77: huh?! what's wrong? 18:28 -!- Aard [~bwachter@lart.info] has quit ["leaving"] 18:33 < togg> is anybody using gcc33 yet for rock ? 18:33 < daja77> MadTux: i tell you when i found out 18:33 < MadTux> ok daja77 18:33 < MadTux> btw good news... my ultra is powered by rock linux since last night 18:33 < daja77> cool 18:35 < MadTux> rock 1.5.17-Mike 18:37 < MadTux> not many here will understand the meaning of using that specific version... i guess rolla will remember 18:38 < MadTux> plus to the fact that i still have no 1.7 / 2.0 iso from rxr 18:42 < rxr> MadTux: that should "the meaning" of this version bee ? 18:44 < mnemoc> improved sparc support? 18:44 < mnemoc> rxr: the damn mount bug still present :| 18:45 < daja77> which mount bug= 18:45 < MadTux> rxr: basically it was a very stable personal tree of mine :) 18:45 < MadTux> hi rxr btw 18:47 < rxr> yeah - hi MadTux 18:49 < MadTux> rxr: i guess u haven't get the chance to do sparc stuff yet 18:49 < mnemoc> daja77: bootdisk which can mount cd even after it boot from it 18:49 < daja77> i thought you got newr stuff by blindy 18:50 < daja77> oh haven't tried recent bootdisks 18:51 < daja77> why the heck I stumble over a autoconf issue from 2001!!!1 18:52 < MadTux> daja77: i'm getting blindy's sparc gem as we speak.. 18:52 < daja77> ah good 18:56 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.141] has joined #rocklinux 18:56 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.141] has quit [Client Quit] 19:00 < rxr> anyone interested fixing gcc-3.4's: 19:00 < rxr> error: label at end of compound statement 19:00 < rxr> only these are left: 19:01 < rxr> ßammonite10.err:sock.c:711 19:01 < rxr> galan.err:event.c:58 19:01 < rxr> galan.err:event.c:76 19:01 < rxr> galan.err:event.c:94 19:01 < rxr> gnome 19:01 < rxr> guppi.err:guppi 19:01 < rxr> mjpegtools.err:lavpipe.c:585 19:01 < rxr> quick 19:01 < rxr> soundtracker.err:keys.c:768 19:01 < rxr> xconq.err:tkmain.c:1384 19:01 < togg> mnemoc: why do you use such crappy pathes for your packages? 19:01 < togg> why not /usr/bin ? 19:01 < rxr> oops - slightly crippled if anyone wants to see the correcct list just ask ... 19:02 < mnemoc> that crappy pathes are the choosen by DJB 19:03 < mnemoc> togg: on config you can disable his file hierarchy 19:03 * MadTux .oO( i never though iw ould live to see someone tell that to mnemoc ) 19:04 < mnemoc> rock honors author desitions ... by default :p 19:04 < togg> you use lol ok 19:04 < togg> -you use 19:06 < mnemoc> =) 19:07 < MadTux> --> < hardave> Hell, I had someone take a scsi u5 and use it as an oracle 19:07 < MadTux> server! 19:07 < daja77> hehe 19:07 < MadTux> and i though i had seen crazy things.. 19:11 < togg> mnemoc: your djb-config looks weird :) 19:11 < togg> can you give me a hint which line to add the thing to build normal pathes? 19:11 < daja77> huh, strange thing the gtk.m4 files for aclocal seems to be missing in this rock here O_o 19:13 < netrunner> $root=/ ?? or is $prefix=/usr and $root='' ? 19:13 < mnemoc> togg: you don't want to read it :p 19:14 < mnemoc> togg: Config -> expert -> DJB s.th -> don't use /package, blah blah blah 19:14 < mnemoc> togg: but i have never tested it :p 19:15 < togg> so easy? ;) 19:15 < togg> kewl 19:15 < mnemoc> that's why i needed that weird djb-config :p 19:16 < togg> you bash nerd ;) 19:16 < mnemoc> me? :( 19:16 < togg> nono :) 19:16 < togg> its nice work :) 19:16 < MadTux> togg: u do realize that rock src is mostly made in bash right? 19:16 < togg> MadTux: Thats why i like it ;) 19:17 < MadTux> good. 19:17 < MadTux> hi nety btw 19:18 < togg> I took the wrong word, i didnt meant nerd but sthg like expert 19:24 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.62dp [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]"] 19:26 < togg> mnemoc: i get an error? 19:26 < togg> Copying commands to $altdir... 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:97 (last $?=0)> pkg_djb_commanddir=/sbin 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:98 (last $?=0)> y=pkg_djb_safecopy 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:100 (last $?=0)> mkdir -p /sbin 19:26 < togg> ====[pkg_djb_installpackage:1 (last $?=0)> cat package/commands 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_installpackage:102 (last $?=0)> pkg_djb_safecopy /admin/runit-1.0.0/command /sbin chpst 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_safecopy:56 (last $?=0)> echo ''\''/admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst'\'' -> '\''/sbin/chpst'\''' 19:26 < togg> '/admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst' -> '/sbin/chpst' 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_safecopy:57 (last $?=0)> rm -f '/sbin/chpst{new}' 19:26 < togg> ===[pkg_djb_safecopy:58 (last $?=0)> cp -p /admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst '/sbin/chpst{new}' 19:26 < togg> cp: cannot stat `/admin/runit-1.0.0/command/chpst': No such file or directory 19:26 < togg> --- BUILD ERROR --- 19:29 < netrunner> hi Maddy btw, 2 :P 19:30 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:33 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 < MadTux> re. 20:10 < daja77> wb 20:10 < MadTux> thx 20:11 < MadTux> daja77: so any updates on ur gcc-3 work? 20:12 < Lorini> hi MadTux 20:12 < daja77> i still struggle with libsdl 20:12 < MadTux> Lorini: !!! 20:12 < Lorini> :)) 20:12 < MadTux> daja77: mm... guess u are not having fun anymore 20:12 < MadTux> Lorini: how are u ? 20:12 < Lorini> great :) 20:13 < daja77> MadTux: no one of there devs created a patch from cvs, which is a autgenerated mess and does not apply 20:13 < MadTux> i see 20:15 < daja77> will see if i fix that crap myself 20:15 < MadTux> yeah show them how it must be done 20:15 < MadTux> :) 20:16 * daja77 off now eating and driving home 20:17 < MadTux> cya daja77 20:18 < blindy> hi 20:18 < MadTux> hi blindy 20:18 < blindy> hi MadTux 20:18 < MadTux> blindy: i'm almost done getting the .gems 20:20 < blindy> nice 20:20 < blindy> I got more upstream on monday 20:20 < blindy> netrunner: I don't like me? hoeh? 20:20 < MadTux> blindy: but we still need bootable isos.. 20:21 < netrunner> blindy: uh don't do that :) 20:23 < blindy> netrunner: what? reading backlog? 20:27 < netrunner> jup :) 20:27 < blindy> why? 20:28 < blindy> you're badmouthing me and I want to know 20:28 < blindy> simple as thath 20:28 * MadTux ready to see blood 20:36 < netrunner> MadTux: you vampire! 20:37 < MadTux> .oO( OMG.. he knows.. ) 20:37 < mnemoc> re 20:37 < mnemoc> this build stinks :\ 20:38 < blindy> yeah, I can smell it 20:38 < MadTux> its not the build ... its the box.. 20:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: take the cheese out, it's from last week! 20:44 * blindy getting another beer 20:50 -!- rafa [~rafa@213.37.121.137] has joined #rocklinux 20:51 -!- rafa [~rafa@213.37.121.137] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 20:51 * blindy feels better 20:53 < mnemoc> aaarg!!! this s.th sucks 20:55 < MadTux> mnemoc: stop complaining.. code! 21:06 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD9E4F7DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:06 -!- blindy [~blindcode@84.128.57.111] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:06 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 21:20 < owl> moin 21:20 < MadTux> owlita! 21:21 < owl> hi Miguel 21:21 < blindy> moin moin owly 21:22 < owl> hi blindy 21:27 < owl> hmmmmm.... ripperx is sweet... 21:29 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["bbl"] 21:34 * blindy getting himself another beer 22:09 < blindy> n9 22:09 < blindy> n8 22:09 < daja77> re 22:12 -!- nookie [~nookie@M368P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:25 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:29 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M359P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:35 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ["going to die"] 23:33 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@129.70.207.63] has left #rocklinux ["Irre explodieren nicht, wenn das Sonnenlicht sie trifft, ganz egal, wie irre sie sind."] 23:47 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 23:57 < daja77> n8 you all --- Log closed Fri May 14 00:00:47 2004