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--- Log opened Fri May 14 00:00:47 2004 01:16 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.25.179] has joined #rocklinux 01:16 < MadTux> re 01:29 -!- SMP [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has quit ["Changing server"] 01:29 -!- SMP [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:35 < MadTux> hi SMP 01:36 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-100.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:54 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-061.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:55 < nzg> moin 02:57 < MadTux> moin nzg 03:06 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:06 < MadTux> https://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,63441,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 03:06 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:13 -!- esden|bbl [~esdentem@rincewind.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit ["leaving"] 03:14 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-204-033.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:18 < esden|zZz> hi ho everyone alive ;) 03:18 < nzg> ;-) 03:18 < esden|zZz> ohh ... someone still alive ... amazing! 03:19 < esden|zZz> hi nzg 03:19 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 03:19 < nzg> hi esden 03:19 < esden> hmm you seem to be new to this channel here? 03:19 -!- kasc [kasc@213.23.204.59] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:19 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 03:19 < esden> hi kasc! 03:20 < esden> or is it only a ghost? 03:20 < nzg> yes i am 03:20 < esden> tell me about yourself ;) ... (be aware that I am in a pretty bad shape at the moment ;) ) 03:20 < nzg> but since my school is over i thought about getting deeper into rock 03:21 < esden> ahh nice! 03:22 < nzg> so i started hangig around here 03:22 < esden> have you already installed rock? 03:22 < nzg> yes, IIRC about for two years now 03:23 < esden> ohh so you are not new to rock 03:23 < esden> nice to know 03:23 < nzg> currently ist the isos of 2.0rc2 with some updates to kde sdl and wxWidgets 03:24 < nzg> at least not to using it 03:24 < nzg> i think it was may 02 when i was looking for a distibution that installed easily and that was fast 03:25 < nzg> i tried three or four until i found rock and stayed 03:25 < MadTux> hi esden 03:26 < nzg> moin MadTux 03:26 < esden> that is mostly the way people take ... my way was ... suse, debian and then rock ... then fedora for my laptop but that is an other story 03:26 < esden> HI MadTux !!!!! 03:26 < esden> ahh very well apeiron is now compiling! ;) 03:27 < MadTux> esden, wtf are u doing up this late? 03:27 < esden> hehe ... I was at a party! 03:28 < esden> ;) 03:28 < MadTux> esden, drunken? 03:28 < esden> it was fun ... I am drunk but still able to code ;) 03:28 < nzg> hm lets recall i think it was suse, SoL, freebsd, debian on my server, and Suse, Rock on my Main PC 03:28 < MadTux> esden, well u must have been drunk when u diet the dietlibc target 03:28 < MadTux> or stoned :) 03:28 < esden> I have now rock on my main box and fedora on my laptop 03:28 < nzg> are you able to read the code in the next morning an understand what you wrote? 03:29 < esden> fedora has the positive side that it simply works after installing on a laptop ... without much hacking 03:29 < MadTux> esden, you did actually liked fedora didn't u ? 03:29 < nzg> rock on my desk, an very old suse (6.0) on my server 03:30 < esden> nzg: I am sure that I will read my code tomorrow and be very mad at myself what I coded ;) 03:30 < esden> about ... what I coded 03:30 < esden> *sigh* my natural language skills are bad now! 03:30 < esden> *grr* 03:31 < nzg> ;-) i've some pieces around that somehow worked the next morning and took me very long to understand why... 03:31 < esden> hehe ... that is the alcohol/weed that makes your code work but you do not understand next morning why ... 03:31 < esden> that are very mad things ... 03:32 * esden commited a patch to apeiron ... I am sure I will be killed for that ;) 03:32 < nzg> jep ;-) 03:33 < esden> I am glad that I do not have write access to the e17 cvs ... otherwise I wiould be really dead next morning ;) 03:33 < nzg> why? 03:33 < esden> argh ... why don't they use svn on sf ... 03:33 < esden> that is really ununderstandable 03:34 < nzg> don't use enlightenment 03:34 < nzg> i used blackbox till autumn and xfce since then 03:35 < esden> nzg: you have not seen what e17 is able to do! 03:35 < esden> that is why you do not use it 03:35 < esden> it is amazing 03:35 < MadTux> esden, query? 03:35 < esden> raster is veeeeery ill ;) and cool... that stuff makes me nearly cum 03:36 < MadTux> omg... 03:36 < nzg> raster? 03:36 < MadTux> esden, some of us have a lot of imagination pleae be carefull with ur comments... u could cause me psico problems 03:37 < esden> ohh poor MadTux ;) 03:37 < esden> nzg: raster is the guy at enlightenment ... he wrote 70% of the code 03:37 < esden> he is the founder of the project 03:37 < nzg> ah 03:37 < esden> very very ill guy ... but cool!!! 03:40 < esden> is there dict in rock? 03:40 < nzg> xsteak 03:40 < esden> nzg: ?? o_O 03:40 < nzg> a dictionary 03:40 < nzg> thought you meaned that ;-) 03:41 < esden> is that querying online dictionarys? 03:41 < nzg> no, the dicts are on your disc 03:42 < esden> humm ... ok emerging it 03:42 < esden> let's see what it can do 03:43 -!- LowLander [erwin@217.235.236.128] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:44 < nzg> it sufficient for most words 03:44 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBEA8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:44 < esden> what does 'iie' mean? 03:44 < esden> does anyone of you know? 03:45 < nzg> In Internet Explorer? ;-) 03:45 < esden> nzg: but I need acronymes 03:45 < nzg> hm 03:45 < esden> nzg: no .. that is not it 03:45 < nzg> If I Expect? 03:46 < nzg> mmh, i had a big arconym-site once... 03:46 < nzg> mmh 03:48 < nzg> integrated information environment 03:49 < esden> 'iie' (in roman letters) means in japanese 'no' 03:50 < nzg> IIe - type of Apple microcomputer (also II+, IIc, IIgs) 03:50 < nzg> ;-) 03:50 < esden> lol! 03:51 < nzg> and a lot of things about emmigration etc 03:51 < esden> I think I have to create a rocklinux packet of dict anyways 03:51 < nzg> ;-) 03:55 < nzg> by the way, how do I create patches for new packages 03:56 < nzg> i have some one may find interesting 03:58 < esden> ahh nice there is a dict client in ruby 04:00 < esden> nzg: you create a submaster account .. chkeck out with submaster the newest rock tree ... and create the package .. then commit the patch using submaster ... 04:00 < esden> but I have not created rock patches for a long time and that was before submaster was there ... so I think that I am the wrong person to ask :) 04:01 < esden> I only hope that it is the one thing that is good documented in rock 04:01 < nzg> i think i even dont have submaster installed... 04:01 < esden> MadTux: do you know something more exact? 04:01 < nzg> the documentenation ho to create the desc is quite good 04:01 < MadTux> mm.. ? scrolling back 04:02 < MadTux> well esden there have always been a rock linux patch guide.. 04:02 < esden> o_O really? ;) 04:03 < MadTux> esden, well the fact the we don't need it doesn't mean that there isn't one 04:03 < MadTux> esden, remeber that u and i have been around for a long time already 04:04 < esden> but still I only know the old ways to submit patches ... I have never used submaster to commit a patch 04:04 * esden checking out the newest rl tree with submaster ... I have to test it ;) 04:04 < MadTux> esden, and u think i have? 04:04 < MadTux> i've been to busy for rock work in a long time 04:06 < esden> o_O there is no package for submaster in the stable release? o_O 04:06 < MadTux> huh!? 04:07 < nzg> == 05/14/04 04:06:00 =[9]=> Package submaster does not exist 04:08 < esden> nzg: yes that is what I mean 04:08 < nzg> ;-) i think i understand 04:08 < esden> nzg: https://www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html 04:09 < nzg> going to install it 04:10 < esden> argh fuck that damn machine went off once more ... that damn powersaving 04:10 < esden> I really have to switch it off tomorrow 04:12 < esden> ahh nice I still have an sm account 04:20 < nzg> Dumping revision 2880 from master (may take some time)... 04:22 < esden> huh???? why does 2.0 rock have subversion 0.35? o_O 04:23 < nzg> seems outdated... 04:23 < esden> yes pretty outdated! 04:23 < nzg> but iirc is submaster not that old 04:24 < esden> humm I think I have to update my rock to the unstable rock version ... then I am more up to date ;) 04:25 < esden> ok compiling subversion 0.35 04:25 < esden> that may take some time 04:25 < esden> ;) 04:26 < esden> hehe ... MadTux checked my time ;) 04:27 < nzg> should be around end of the week ;-) 04:28 < esden> what should be around the end of the week? o_O 04:28 * esden too stupid for anything currently 04:28 < nzg> the time ;-) 04:28 < esden> yes that may be right ;) 04:28 < MadTux> esden? 04:29 < esden> nzg: hehe ... you are also in germany ... so your time is also pretty nasty ;) 04:29 < esden> finally: Dumping revision 2880 from master (may take some time) ... 04:30 < esden> ahh ... Digitally Imported Chillout channel is very nice!!! 04:30 < nzg> ;-) 04:31 < nzg> just put some rolls in my oven... getting hungry now ;-) 04:33 < esden> 4 04:33 < esden> pus 04:33 < esden> ups 04:33 < esden> rolls? 04:33 < mnemoc> rehi 04:33 < nzg> "brötchen" 04:33 < nzg> moin 04:34 -!- esdentem [~esdentem@131.159.22.78] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 < MadTux> mnemocy 04:35 < esdentem> re ... damn vserver 04:35 < esdentem> mnemocy? 04:35 < MadTux> yeah u know like esdy.. blindy 04:36 < esdentem> ahh ... ok 04:36 < mnemoc> what did i do? 04:36 < esdentem> mnemoc: you ... everything ... you are the root of all evil ;) 04:37 < mnemoc> me me me 04:38 < MadTux> yeah always u 04:39 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:39 < esdentem> why is the 'ROCK Linux Config - Package List' not sorted?!?!?! 04:39 < mnemoc> :( 04:39 < nzg> i want dsl... 04:39 < esdentem> I have a hardlink ... that is better then dsl ;) 04:41 < nzg> i have isdn, just better than modem or whistling in the phone 04:41 < esdentem> hehe ... wait a moment I have to get my email 04:41 * esdentem whistling in a cellphone 04:42 < nzg> hey, thats mobillity ;-) 04:42 < mnemoc> i'm using a cool 28.8 modem 04:42 < esdentem> ahh nice ... that makes fun connecting to an ssl secured ppp deamon through whistling ;) 04:42 < esdentem> mnemoc: that is not leet ... you should use a 9600 modem ;) 04:43 < esdentem> hmm ... Configure is still so slow ... 04:44 < esdentem> Download required running 04:45 * nzg is gettin envious 04:46 < nzg> i think im going to copy my damn old downloads-folder once more 04:49 < esdentem> damn 300 kb/s download rate ... that is damn slow!!! 04:49 < esdentem> argh 04:50 < nzg> i would be satisfied with the half 04:51 < mnemoc> i would be satisfied with 10% of that 04:51 < esdentem> nzg: the server I am downloading from is practically in my internal network 04:51 < esdentem> I am in the dfn and the server too 04:51 < mnemoc> rxr: here 04:52 < esdentem> or even better ... I am connected directly to LRZ network and the server too 04:52 < nzg> hm 04:53 < nzg> i should go to university 04:54 < nzg> just for the internet connection ;-) 04:55 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:56 < esdentem> nzg: that is one of the nice sides of being a student ;) 04:56 * esdentem brb 04:56 -!- esdentem [~esdentem@131.159.22.78] has quit ["leaving"] 04:56 < esden> re 04:57 < nzg> hm, yes but only with no costs for traffic 04:57 < nzg> wb 04:57 < esden> the server is back online 04:57 < esden> that is the negative side of that damn vservers ... they are cheep ... but pretty unreliable 04:59 < esden> *gnarf* how do I switch that pover saving on a sun machine!!!!!!!!!!!! 04:59 < MadTux> just change it on the BIOS ... 04:59 * MadTux waits for reaction 05:00 * esden makes a beauty operation with a chainsaw on MadTux's face ;) 05:00 < MadTux> :P 05:00 < MadTux> what did i do? 05:00 < esden> MadTux: that is called openbios or ok prompt 05:00 < MadTux> i'm just trying to help u 05:00 < esden> and NO that is not in the ok prompt 05:00 < esden> but somewhere else 05:00 < MadTux> google it? 05:01 < esden> yes ... damn google ... I will try it 05:01 < MadTux> :) 05:06 < nzg> hm, sm seem to be really slow... it takes quite long for a few(about 10) files 05:11 < mnemoc> nzg: svn is slow, sm is built upon it 05:12 < nzg> mnemoc: mmh, k 05:12 < MadTux> AARRGGG!!! I can't concentrate! 05:13 < mnemoc> ravotril? 05:13 < MadTux> wtf? 05:13 < esden> humm ... I do not really find something ... 05:13 < esden> damn google ... I thought they are the internet ... ;) 05:14 < mnemoc> MadTux: https://www.farmaciasahumada.cl/stores/fasa/html/Mft/producto/p3216.htm 05:14 < MadTux> mnemoc, i don't use pills 05:15 < mnemoc> well, you should try :) 05:15 < MadTux> no :) 05:15 < MadTux> I'm way TOO hyperactive for pills.. 05:16 < mnemoc> go outside and run for couple of kilometers 05:18 < MadTux> haha 05:18 < esden> ok I have to edit /etc/power.conf 05:19 < esden> that seems to be the solution 05:19 < mnemoc> google finaly answer your question? 05:20 < mnemoc> uhm... i have to go :| 05:20 < mnemoc> cu esden, MadTux 05:21 < MadTux> cu mnemoc-chan 05:21 < mnemoc> cu Tuxie 05:21 < MadTux> Maddy :) 05:22 < nzg> esden: got it..., thx 05:24 < esden> cu mnemoc 05:24 < esden> nzg: what did you get? 05:24 < nzg> submitting packages 05:24 < esden> humm ... that is nasty ... there is no way to get the system up remotely ... 05:24 < esden> I thought sun is better then intel 05:24 < esden> but _no_ 05:24 < esden> :( 05:25 < esden> nzg: nice 05:25 < esden> nzg: what do you submit? 05:25 < nzg> giFT/Apollon and xrootconsole, more coming the need to be a bit cleared up before 05:26 < esden> what are that packages? 05:26 < nzg> arts for xmms / splint / zvbi 05:26 < nzg> kdetv 05:27 < nzg> just everything i found on the net i can use and what was not in a repo already 05:28 < esden> hehe ... pills ... I tryed some legal pills from a good rocklinux friend ... and master ... but as I saw that they produce a slight indication on a anfetamine test I stopped ;) 05:28 < esden> I hate to get problems with police! 05:29 < nzg> i keep with my caffeine... 05:29 < esden> even though the working chemical is only a legal derivate of amfetamine ... 05:29 < esden> _legal_! 05:30 < nzg> yea, but it seems to be similar 05:30 < esden> yes ... it is not indicated so well as amfetamine but still ... 05:30 < nzg> uh, there's light coming through my window ;-) 05:31 < esden> nzg: yours too? 05:31 < esden> ;) 05:31 < nzg> yep, i left it open because sun was already on the otherside of my house 05:32 < esden> nzg: you do not have clouds at your place? 05:32 < nzg> not exactly clouds, the sky is dark grey on the whole 05:33 < esden> so one big clout ... just like here at my place 05:33 < esden> nzg: where are you located exactly? 05:33 < nzg> "königswinter" 05:34 < nzg> at least during schooltime 05:34 < esden> o_O ... where is it? o_O 05:34 < nzg> but thats finally over in a few weeks an then i'll get back home 05:34 < nzg> near bonn 05:34 < esden> ahh ok 05:34 < esden> I am in munic 05:35 < esden> ok ... now I start a film and go to bed 05:35 < nzg> good choice, i've relatives near munich 05:35 < nzg> what film? 05:35 < esden> so ... cu and good night ... the package download should be ready when I wake up ;) 05:35 < esden> nzg: Reservoir Dogs 05:36 < esden> the one film by Quentin Tarantino that nearly noone knows ;) 05:36 < nzg> ah, need to see that one in my remainig time here 05:36 < nzg> i knew it exists but i haven't watched it 05:36 < esden> ok you know that one ;) 05:37 < nzg> i watched the oter ones already 05:37 < nzg> s/oter/other 05:37 < esden> there are only 4 ... 05:37 < esden> ok ... now I am off 05:37 < esden> cu 05:37 < nzg> jep 05:38 < nzg> k, cya 05:38 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 05:54 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-136-061.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 06:12 < MadTux> n8 06:12 -!- MadTux [~mike@196.40.25.179] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 06:12 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M396P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M368P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:03 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:08 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Operation timed out] 07:08 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39858.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:10 -!- christian__ [~christian@p54808A69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:11 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E396D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:14 -!- Frederic [~christian@p548089E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:18 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39858.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:20 -!- christian_ [~christian@p548087BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:24 -!- Frederic [~christian@p548089E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:29 -!- christian__ [~christian@p54808A69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:00 < blindy> moin 08:02 < netrunner> moin, 2 08:39 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-018-064.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:39 < BoS> moin @ all 08:39 < BoS> rxr? 09:00 < BoS> the ppc installing has start whit some errors: minix and nls_iso8859-1 modules are missing 09:01 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:05 < daja77> BoS: just ignore 09:07 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:18 -!- owl [~owl@D7084.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:18 < owl> moin 10:21 < blindy> moin moin 10:26 < owl> hmm. you're also still alive *think* 10:28 < blindy> yeah, looks like I am 10:33 < BoS> i c 10:37 < owl> someone knows a _good_ tool for creating pdfs (windows, linux - i don't care) --> incl. hyperlinks etc 10:39 < blindy> OOo 10:39 < blindy> Adobe Acrobat :-) 10:40 < BoS> or openoffice 10:40 < owl> hmmm. openoffice als can create hyperlinks which are clickable 10:41 < owl> blindy: why are you wondering? 10:42 < netrunner> latex 10:43 < owl> hmmm. not really wysiwyg -> not fast to edit 10:43 < blindy> OOo == OpenOffice.org 10:44 < netrunner> owl: lyx 10:44 < owl> ah so 10:45 < owl> yeah. but it's - aehm. - not very comfortable ;) 10:59 * netrunner updating linux26 11:02 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@129.70.207.63] has joined #rocklinux 11:05 < blindy> moin Lorini 11:05 < netrunner> hi Lorini 11:05 < Lorini> moin moin 11:09 < netrunner> so, how's life? :) 11:10 < LowLander> morge 11:10 < Lorini> bah.. tired :) 11:11 < Lorini> i should have been at university 3 hours ago.. 11:13 * netrunner came too late today, 2 11:13 < Lorini> came too late - well. im still at home ;) 11:14 < netrunner> .o( who comes to late is sued by life - who comes to early is sued by wife ;) 11:17 < Lorini> lol 11:26 * blindy makes a mental note to commit his patches more regularly 11:32 < owl> guys - what am i doing wrong? i want to mount mithras:/temp over nfs, but - aehm - permission denied by server... (/temp is chmoded 777, /etc/export is shared to my whole network) 11:33 < owl> and all other shares are accessible 11:36 < blindy> can you paste the line from exports? 11:37 < owl> /temp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) 11:42 < owl> exportfs: /etc/exports [4]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0:/temp". 11:42 < owl> Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). 11:42 < owl> NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions 11:42 < owl> thor.foo.bar:/temp (deleted): No such file or directory 11:43 < owl> ^^ could this be the problem??? i mean - it's on thor, not on mithras... *confused* 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@80.14.246.190] has joined #rocklinux 11:45 < blindy> where do you want to mount it? 11:46 < owl> on /mnt/nfs/temp 11:46 < blindy> strange 11:46 -!- tfing [~tfing@81.48.208.137] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:46 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:47 < owl> yep. my words.... 11:50 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 11:53 < owl> HAEH?!!! why is my sshd now not working??? *doesn't understand something now...* 11:53 < blindy> filesystem ful? 11:56 < owl> nope. 15 % used... but the sshd-problem was easy... forgot to set the correct ip-adress... *cough* 12:00 < owl> gnaaaaaaaaarf. it works... without changing anything! 12:12 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: link_, kasc, togg 12:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: link_, kasc, togg 12:16 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:16 < owl> hi tiefengrund 12:16 < tiefengrund> mahlzeit owl 12:18 < owl> .oO(mahlzeit sounds quite bavarian...?) 12:19 < tiefengrund> mahlzeit is german and means "dinner" 12:20 < owl> yeah, i know what it means... but imho it's mainly used in bavaria... (at least i have never heared saying my collegues from northern germany "mahlzeit") 12:21 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:22 < owl> gaaaah. blindy - please shoot me! 12:22 * netrunner hands out the guns 12:23 < owl> hihi. thx, netrunner 12:23 < owl> <- has a bad magic, today... .oO(now the cdrom from a travelling app, i bought about 2 weeks ago is defect!) 12:24 < blindy> ? 12:24 < blindy> bad karma 12:24 < owl> or so.. yeah... 12:24 < owl> blindy: want some "brause", too? ;) 12:25 < blindy> nah, doesn't fit with salt 12:26 < owl> with salt? 12:27 < blindy> yeah, I'm having some brezen for lunch 12:28 < owl> i c. hehe ;) 12:29 < owl> .oO(hopefully the stings of my guitar won't reissen..........) 12:46 < blindy> bbl 12:59 -!- BoS is now known as BoS^afk 13:06 * LowLander stops with software engineering and becomes a lawyer : https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47359 13:16 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D024.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CF49.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:27 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 13:30 < netrunner> hehehe https://www.42.nu/~oli/caravan.mpeg 14:12 -!- nookie [~nookie@M309P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:14 < netrunner> hi nookie 14:17 < link_> hi all 14:17 < link_> find / -name MadTux 14:19 < link_> hm 14:19 < link_> whereis MadTux 14:19 < link_> history | grep MadTux 14:20 < netrunner> [06:12] < MadTux> n8 14:20 < netrunner> [06:12] ::: MadTux!~mike@196.40.25.179 has left #rocklinux: "Leaving" 14:20 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M396P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:21 < nookie> Heya netrunner :) 14:21 < link_> cool, i've got my own bot, da netrunner :) 14:21 < nookie> netrunner: how are you? 14:22 < netrunner> nookie: tall :) 14:22 < netrunner> nookie: and you? 14:23 < netrunner> ms broke samba. samba updated. patch in submaster. 14:24 < owl> ms broke samba??? 14:24 < link_> hi owl 14:24 < netrunner> https://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15850 14:27 * netrunner away 14:28 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 14:28 < esden> hi ho everyone 14:33 < blindy> moin esdi 14:34 < link_> moin? 14:35 < link_> it's 14.35 14:36 < rxr> hi 14:37 < link_> hi blindcoder 14:41 < owl> hi esden 14:41 < owl> .oO(some students of informatic are acting like the first person touching linux... *screams*) 14:42 < BoS^afk> hi rxr 14:43 < BoS^afk> the yaboot hasn`t install at hdd 14:43 < link_> owl: :) 'in the land of the blind, is the one-eyed man the king' 14:43 < BoS^afk> and the system can't install from hdd :( 14:47 < rxr> blindy: you should get a slap for: 14:47 < rxr> [O] srcdir="libmatroska-0.6.2/make/linux" 14:47 * rxr *slaps* blindy 14:48 < owl> link_: hm? 14:51 < rxr> This presentation contains content that your browser may not be able to show properly. This presentation was optimized for more recent versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer. 14:51 < rxr> 14:51 < rxr> If you would like to proceed anyway, click here. 14:51 < rxr> and the presentation is quite a normal html thingy even using old style frames ... ?!?!?! 14:52 < rxr> showing not that bad in konqueror ... 14:55 < blindy> *ouch* 14:56 < blindy> rxr: but I didn't think about that directory structure >_< 14:56 * blindy cries 14:59 < rxr> I hope you already realized that I speak about the hardcoded version? 15:01 < blindy> yes >_< 15:03 < esden> *sigh* ... why is all open source software c and not c++ I really do not usderstand that ... besides kde of course ... 15:04 < esden> and why are all people writing such a crappy messed up code ... >_< 15:04 < alanjwylie> and dansguardian <https://dansguardian.org/?page=faq#3> 15:05 * esden does not understand the world ... 15:05 < rxr> == 05/14/04 15:02:26 =[5]=> Finished building package libmatroska. 15:05 < alanjwylie> though dansguardian has a very odd license - GPL, except commercial distributors, when only the first download is GPL 15:07 < rxr> esden: what is your exact current problem? I can not parse your posting in all it's facets ... 15:07 < mnemoc> moin! 15:08 < owl> esden: why? 15:09 < rxr> mnemoc: hi 15:11 < esden> rxr: the problem is that when I find a cool and interesting oss project (like xmms2 or e17) they are all written in C ... now ... when I look at the code of these projects I see how bad choice C is ... and how much nicer and cleaner it would be if they would use C++ ... 15:11 < rxr> ah - I see 15:11 < rxr> then I have failed parsing some details of your posting 15:11 < daja77> .oO (that's what rxr says all the time ...= 15:11 < rxr> but I'm happy that this is your view 15:12 < esden> but besides the language choice ... the code is messed up ... not well structured ... and without any coding guidelines ... that _SUX_ and makes me somewhat sad and mad ... 15:12 < esden> daja77: yes ... I know he is 15:12 < rxr> when you need a new music player you can use GSMP/Player in some weeks 15:13 < rxr> even coded in modern C++ ... 15:13 < esden> it took me some time to realize that he is right 15:13 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD9530126.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:13 < rxr> except some library dependecies (E17/Evas, libmad, libalsa, libvorbis) 15:13 < daja77> well it is not impossible to write structured in C ... 15:13 < esden> daja77: but noone is doing it 15:13 < daja77> ack 15:14 < rxr> but it is impossible to write as elegeant and readable code as it would be possible with C++ 15:14 < daja77> and if this all breaks up the sampe people rewrite it in perl ... 15:14 < esden> the only thing that I know that is somewhat structured (but far from being perfect) is gtk+ and companions 15:14 < esden> rxr: full ack 15:15 < esden> rxr: but you really need coding guidelines ... otherwise the code get's inconsistant ... and that is not pretty 15:16 < rxr> we have a CODING document 15:16 < esden> that is good 15:16 < rxr> (alhtough we improved it over the time so some parts could be reviewed for strict matching ... 15:16 < rxr> ) 15:17 < mnemoc> anyone else has expirienced dialog problems in `stone setup`? 15:18 < mnemoc> i installed a rock-2.0 yesterday and it was a 'not do it in public' thing 15:18 < esden> rxr: we have a 67 pages latex document about coding standards ... 15:19 < esden> for apeiron 15:19 -!- christian_ [~christian@p548087BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:19 < rxr> hm - I think this is overspecified 15:19 < daja77> what is apeiron 15:20 < esden> rxr: ohh no ... I use it ... and it is far from being over specified ... in some places it is even under specified 15:20 < esden> daja77: a soft realtime transaction based object oriented middleware 15:21 < rxr> esden: do you have an url handy ? 15:21 < esden> in short a object oriented dynamic database 15:21 < esden> rxr: no sorry ... that is still in internal :( 15:22 < daja77> esden: thx for translating the buzzwords 15:22 < blindy> esden: look at nethack 15:22 < blindy> C, easy to read, simple to enhance 15:22 < esden> but I think that in not very long time it will be avalable 15:22 < rxr> even the coding document? 15:23 < rxr> blindy: average C code is less easiy to extend 15:23 < esden> blindy: but nasty to write big projects 15:24 < blindy> rxr: suce. just wanted to give a positive example to esden :) 15:24 < blindy> esden: why? 15:24 < esden> blindy: nethack is a seldom example of good C code 15:25 < blindy> indeed :) 15:25 < blindy> rxr: could you please add the checksum for the new libmatroska tarball? 15:26 < esden> when you use C++ you are forced to structure the code a bit better ... ... but writing clean and nice code still lyes in the hands of a programmer ... and you can also mess it up in C++ ... so my argumentation contains two things 15:27 < esden> 1) C++ is nicer then C for the projects I have seen in the _last few weeks_ 15:28 * mnemoc raise c# on his shoulders 15:29 < esden> 2) oss is not written well (in all projects I have seen in the last few days) ... and in most cases it is messed up code 15:29 < esden> mnemoc: I will noc comment that otherwise we have a blut bad at our hands ;) 15:30 < mnemoc> :) 15:30 < esden> "blood bath" <- that is the right english expression ;) 15:30 < blindy> esden: Blutbad == bloodshot 15:30 < blindy> IIRC 15:31 < esden> carnage and massacre are also valid english expressions 15:31 < mnemoc> bloodshot sounds senseless to me :| 15:31 < esden> at least what dict.leo says 15:36 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-002.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:36 < nzg> moin 15:36 < mnemoc> moin mz 15:36 < mnemoc> nzg too 15:36 < nzg> ;-) 15:38 < mnemoc> :p 15:38 < owl> hi nzg 15:38 < nzg> moin owl 15:39 < mnemoc> hi happyOwl 15:39 < esden> hi nzg 15:39 < nzg> moin esden 15:41 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 15:41 < MadTux> Greetings 15:42 < mnemoc> Tuxie! 15:42 < MadTux> mny :) 15:43 < mnemoc> uhm 15:43 < MadTux> too lazy to tab :) 15:44 < esden> ahh MadTux also came back from dead ;) 15:46 < owl> hi MadTux 15:46 < mnemoc> oh... MS added his wtl s.th to sf's cvs too 15:47 < rolla> re 15:47 < mnemoc> re rolla 15:48 < esden> wtl??? 15:49 < mnemoc> esden: https://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/13/005254 15:50 < MadTux> hi owlita, rolla and esdy 15:50 < mnemoc> owlita *g* 15:51 < blindy> moin maddy 15:51 < MadTux> hey the owlita thing is EXCLUSIVE. 15:51 < MadTux> blindy: !! 15:51 < MadTux> blindy: i got all the .gems now thanks. 15:52 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:53 < esden> mnemoc: perfect ... that is what all world wants ... *sigh* 15:53 < mnemoc> yeah 15:54 < MadTux> what about the things that _I_ want?!? 15:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: i want an alpha. 15:54 < mnemoc> money? 15:54 < owl> hi christian_ 15:54 < mnemoc> :) 15:55 < MadTux> i can make my own money :) 15:55 * esden is making also his own money ... my laser printer is working on full power ;) 15:56 < MadTux> esden: don't forget my bday is near 15:57 < rxr> arhg - how I hate people limiting the mind to x86: 15:57 < rxr> ==> 5-gens.err <== 15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: error: unknown register name `%eax' in `asm' 15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: error: unknown register name `%edi' in `asm' 15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: error: unknown register name `%esi' in `asm' 15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register 15:57 < rxr> cd_sys.c:1082: warning: matching constraint does not allow a register 15:57 < esden> MadTux: do not worry ... I will forget it when the right time comes ;) 15:57 < mnemoc> LOL 15:57 < MadTux> hi pissed-rxr :) 15:57 < esden> erm ... eax edi esi unknown? o_O 15:57 < MadTux> esden: Good. 15:58 < rxr> esden: PowerPC 15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: no not pissed 15:58 < esden> rxr: ahh ok ... 15:58 < esden> then it is understandable ;) 15:58 < mnemoc> s/mnemoc/MadTux/ 15:58 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD9530126.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:01 < esden> ok ... downloading snes images ;) 16:03 < rxr> oh - you have free time again? 16:05 * mnemoc trying to understand the meaning of 'free' and 'time' joined 16:05 < rxr> oh my - what do people smoke while coding: 16:05 < rxr> sheet-autofill.c:704: error: assignment of read-only member `cols' 16:05 < rxr> sheet-autofill.c:712: error: assignment of read-only member `rows' 16:05 < rxr> sheet-autofill.c:722: error: assignment of read-only member `expr' 16:07 < rxr> warning: command line option "-fno-rtti" is valid for C++/ObjC++ but not f 16:07 < rxr> or C 16:16 < mnemoc> Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.rocklinux.net 16:17 < rxr> worked here some minutes ago 16:17 < MadTux> mnemoc: ur ISP sucks.. 16:17 < mnemoc> :( 16:17 < MadTux> :) 16:17 < mnemoc> i _only_ (but frecuently) have problems with rl.net 16:20 < rxr> 865 builds total, 759 completed fine, 105 with errors. 16:22 < mnemoc> rxr: what are you building? 16:23 < mnemoc> rl.net is back 16:24 < rxr> gcc-3.4 / 2.1-DEV / PowrePC 16:24 < rxr> desktop 16:24 < MadTux> no sparc :( 16:25 < mnemoc> rxr: does your patch for rocknet returns a happy face? 16:27 < rxr> hm? 16:27 < rxr> MadTux: the sparc thing just needs some iso creation - not a full experimental gcc-3.4 build 16:28 < mnemoc> rxr: rocknet + previous patch for rocknet do the work but init shows sad face :) 16:28 < MadTux> well u have a point.. now why would ppc need that? 16:29 < MadTux> anyways i think i will give up trying to get rock 2.X isos for my ultra 16:30 < rxr> MadTux: because my main and fastest box here is PowerPC 16:30 < rxr> MadTux: do you think I use a 270Mhz + SPARC slowness CPU to fix gcc-3.4 convered crappy code? 16:30 < mnemoc> nzg: splint=extra/game 16:30 < rxr> I know better ways to waste my time 16:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I test this 16:31 < nzg> ups 16:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I also know a bug in my ROCK Net code that I need to fix (now) 16:31 < nzg> must have overseen this one 16:31 < mnemoc> good :) 16:31 < nzg> when i created the i used some other pkgs as templates... 16:31 < MadTux> rxr: ok. 16:31 < nzg> seems like this one is based on q2 16:32 < mnemoc> nzg: try using misc/archive/newpackage.sh 16:32 < nzg> mnemoc: k 16:36 < mnemoc> rxr: how many todo-items there are between gcc34 and 2.0-STALLED ? 16:36 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-002.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:38 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-204.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:38 < nzg> re 16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: any other comments to the ROCK Net patch? Like like / like not ... 16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: i like the idea, but haved tested it 16:42 < MadTux> i'm fscking out of here. 16:42 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has left #rocklinux [] 17:00 < mnemoc> .oO( coooooold )o 17:01 < daja77> yep it is cold here too 17:02 < mnemoc> i don't feel my fingers 17:02 < nzg> are you sitting outside? 17:03 < mnemoc> no, inside 17:03 < daja77> nice one of our professors tells about his work in mexico and chile, next wednesday 17:03 < mnemoc> in the third world heating systems are not common 17:04 < mnemoc> chile: i would like to know what outsiders think of us :) 17:05 < mnemoc> daja77* 17:06 < daja77> well if i'll watch this I'll tell you 17:06 < nzg> hm, k 17:07 -!- owl [~owl@D7084.d.pppool.de] has quit ["bye"] 17:07 < mnemoc> chile: 60 hours of work per week, very low productivity, too much 'talk-of-someone-from-behind', not followed processes, everything is ad-hoc. 17:08 < daja77> hm 17:08 < mnemoc> sucks :( 17:08 < daja77> indeed 17:09 < mnemoc> we incresed our 'trust' from 17% to 22% in the last 10 years =) 17:11 < mnemoc> only 20% of executives places and 8% of high level places ocvered by women 17:15 < mnemoc> submaster: 174 Patches .... my next patch flood will lead us over the 200 mark :) 17:15 < rxr> oh cool 17:31 < rxr> me off shortly ... 17:32 < mnemoc> cu 17:32 < rxr> just shortly - buying foods ... 17:41 < link_> what is a nice tcl+ssl-capable command line mail client? 17:45 < mnemoc> why tcl? 17:46 < link_> donno *g* , i'm not really sure what i've got installed recently. maybe i don't know details.. just installed it yet.. 17:47 < link_> pine seems to be a good solution? 17:48 < mnemoc> pine is not a 'command line mail client' to me 17:48 < link_> no? 17:49 < link_> mnemoc: someone said, it was =/ 17:49 < mnemoc> it's 'console mode' but iirc it's not command line 17:50 < mnemoc> btw, mailx is the only command line mail client i know 17:51 < link_> mnemoc: hm, maybe it's a defenition problem. i want to read messages in a console ssh session. 17:51 < mnemoc> :) 17:51 < mnemoc> pine, mutt ... i prefer the last 17:54 < link_> what's the diffrentes between mutt and pine? 17:54 < link_> i try mutt 17:54 < mnemoc> pine is much lest custimizable 17:54 < mnemoc> less* 17:55 < link_> mnemoc: okay, i try mutt 17:55 < link_> mnemoc: how about html'rised mails, does it display it good? 17:56 < link_> whatis jade 17:56 < rxr> or {X,}Emacs {VM,Mew} 17:56 < rxr> I use XEmacs/Mew on the console 17:57 < link_> i somehow don't like emacs 17:59 < link_> i've got weekend knocking :) 17:59 < link_> cu , and thank you 17:59 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit ["."] 18:06 -!- alanjwylie [frog@frogadsl-gw.adsl.legend.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:17 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:17 < MadTux> re 19:17 < MadTux> METAL: https://metal.hsol.net:8000/listen.pls 19:30 < mnemoc> .oO( i should consider to buy a sound card )o 19:30 < MadTux> OMG.. 19:31 < mnemoc> what? i listen radio, and i don't play games 19:32 < mnemoc> and i don't have money :p 19:32 < MadTux> what do u need a radio for? 19:32 < mnemoc> to make noise 19:32 < MadTux> with a computer u can forget about phone, fax, tv, radio, ... 19:33 < mnemoc> with a computer and lot of money :P 19:33 < MadTux> i don't have a lot of money.. and i have all this. 19:34 < mnemoc> :) 19:39 < mnemoc> bbl 19:39 < MadTux> ok 19:41 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["bbl"] 19:49 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:52 -!- BoS^afk [~BoS@dialin-212-144-018-064.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:56 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@129.70.207.63] has quit ["Irre explodieren nicht, wenn das Sonnenlicht sie trifft, ganz egal, wie irre sie sind."] 21:01 < rxr> ok - the mot important package built: 21:01 < rxr> == 05/14/04 20:46:19 =[5]=> Finished building package flightgear. 21:01 < rxr> https://www.linuxtag.org/2004/index.html 21:06 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p54803482.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:06 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4F7DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:06 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 21:22 < MadTux> hi blindy 21:32 < rxr> hm - rsync traffic shaping sucks 21:32 * rxr needs to setup real in-kernel traffic shaping on the router ... 21:48 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB6DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:13 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M480P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 < mnemoc> re 22:26 < rxr> hi mnemoc 22:27 < MadTux> hola Alejandro 22:27 < MadTux> Ale-chan i mean :) 22:28 < mnemoc> hi mikey 22:29 -!- nookie [~nookie@M309P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:30 < MadTux> so i wrote an email to javito letting him know hot to properly run gentoo 2004.1 on his blade.. as it wouldn't be fair to have him for some isos that should probably not happen. 22:32 < MadTux> i guess must of u folks will hate me for this.. but hey I'm just trying to be realistic and forget about the dream i once had. 22:33 * MadTux getting some coffee. 22:34 * mnemoc getting some coke 22:35 < netrunner> rxr: sorry for the linelength ;) 22:37 < mnemoc> netrunner: [ "$prefix_auto" = 1 ] && prefix="opt/netperf" 22:38 < mnemoc> netrunner: set_confopt 22:38 < mnemoc> that way you can change it smoothly from you target 22:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: the makefile uses NETPERF_HOME as directory where it places it's binaries. no prefix and other stuff. 22:40 < mnemoc> you can build it based on prefix ;) 22:40 < mnemoc> build the var i mean 22:40 < netrunner> mnemoc: I changed it so NETPERF_HOME get's set to $root$prefix/bin 22:41 < mnemoc> $root/$prefix 22:41 < netrunner> mnemoc: $root/$prefix became //usr in my test. 22:42 < mnemoc> if $root != / it doesn't end with / making troubles 22:43 * mnemoc need more coke 22:43 < netrunner> mnemoc: //usr didn't work with some test iirc. 22:43 < mnemoc> that's bad 22:45 < netrunner> hm ... since I also remember I wanted to use $root/$prefix I'll retest, maybe I confused something else... 22:46 < netrunner> hm, works. I'll recommit it with $root/$prefix ... that's the 4th discard of netperf :) 22:47 < mnemoc> *g* 22:48 < netrunner> ok. now gf want's me to watch some video ... bbl 22:48 < mnemoc> girl-power :| 22:52 < rxr> netrunner: come back! 22:54 < rxr> you need no patch! 22:55 < mnemoc> :p 22:55 < rxr> var_insert makeopt " " "NETPERF_HOME=$root/$prefix" 22:55 < rxr> and if you need this "-DNEED_MAKEFILE_EDIT" inject it there, too 22:57 < mnemoc> i tryed to say that but my english is worse than usual today :( 22:57 < rxr> and why you patch the rest is not really obvous now 22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: too hot over there ? 22:57 < mnemoc> too cold 22:57 < rxr> hmgmp. 22:57 < rxr> how much degree ? 22:57 < rxr> °C please no °F ... 22:57 < mnemoc> 8ºC :p 22:58 < rxr> ohch 22:58 < rxr> is °C your official unit? 22:58 < mnemoc> yep 22:58 < rxr> ;-) 22:58 < mnemoc> only rolla has ºF :p 22:58 < rxr> .( 23:05 < LowLander> how do i get the version number of my svn client ? 23:05 < LowLander> svn help doesn'T show anything usefull 23:06 < mnemoc> svn --version ? 23:07 < mnemoc> | head -n 1 23:07 < LowLander> *doh* 23:08 < LowLander> svn --verion <--- thats what i typed :-) 23:08 < LowLander> than tried -v 23:08 < LowLander> etc. 23:08 < LowLander> it really helps when you can type :-) 23:09 < LowLander> tnx 23:09 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB6DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:09 < mnemoc> hit those bad fingers with a wood-ruler 23:28 < mnemoc> rxr: still here? 23:29 < rxr> sure 23:29 < rxr> just eating 23:30 < mnemoc> :) 23:30 < mnemoc> https://www.drugphish.ch/~ratz/iproute2/ <--- to iproute2's $docdir? 23:36 < rxr> hm - I'm not a server junkie better ask SMP or clifford 23:39 < mnemoc> ok --- Log closed Sat May 15 00:00:02 2004