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--- Log opened Sat May 15 00:00:02 2004 00:03 < daja77> re 00:07 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["laters"] 00:12 < rxr> rehi daja77 00:12 < daja77> hi rxr 00:12 < daja77> sory for bein off so much this week :) 00:19 < mnemoc> work, univ, family or girl? 00:20 < daja77> forgot the family thing, the other three fit :) 00:20 < rxr> == 00:17:47 =[5]=> Building rene/evas [2004-04-15 2.1.0-DEV]. 00:20 < mnemoc> =) 00:28 < rxr> == 05/15/04 00:26:50 =[5]=> Finished building package evas. 00:30 < netrunner> re 00:33 < netrunner> rxr: the only important change I did further than changing the target directory was renaming the scripts because they had so generic names. 00:33 < netrunner> rxr: if you do not agree I can revert that and just creeate the .conf 00:34 < netrunner> rxr: I _removed_ the -DNEED_MAKEFILE_EDIT because it is in the makefile to force you edit the makefile. 00:36 < rxr> remove it using the GCC_WARPPER 00:36 < rxr> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-DNEED_MAKEFILE_EDIT" 00:36 < netrunner> rxr: ok, will do so. 00:36 < rxr> the less patching the better 00:36 < daja77> GCC3_WRAPPER_REMOVE iirc 00:37 < rxr> nope - the is a unified one 00:37 < rxr> even CC should work (IIRC) 00:37 < daja77> ah nice 00:37 < rxr> the versioned are for gcc packge specific adaptoins ... 00:38 < netrunner> damn, I have a build with xorg here for 3 weeks and did not install it. 00:41 < netrunner> rxr: I smap'ed the gcc34 stuff and will start a build with it tomorrow, maybe I can help some bits now that I learned c++ a bit. 00:42 < rxr> cool that would be great 00:43 < rxr> gcc-3.4 builds should be quite fine now 00:43 < netrunner> hm, what can be the cause that my var_append makeopt " " "NETPERF_HOME=$root/$prefix" has no effect? 00:43 < rxr> the major think that might hit you is linux24 when you build a generic target 00:43 < rxr> (a desktop linux24 builds - this is driver selection optimization selection) 00:43 < rxr> haven 00:44 < rxr> 't I wrote var_insert ? 00:44 < rxr> it needs to before the make target ... 00:44 < netrunner> oh, yes. didn't know _insert yet. 00:44 < rxr> Handbook ;-) 00:45 < rxr> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookch23.html 00:45 < netrunner> jaja :P 00:46 < rxr> ;-) 00:46 < rxr> me off into bed 00:46 < rxr> cu in some more hours 00:46 < netrunner> hm. still does not work. 00:46 < netrunner> n8 00:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: export it 00:47 < netrunner> arg. makeinstopt 00:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: hook_add premake 5 'export NETPERF_HOME=$root/$prefix' 00:47 < rxr> ah yes 00:47 < mnemoc> :p 00:47 < rxr> no export 00:48 < mnemoc> if makeinstopt works, much better 00:48 < rxr> netrunner: inject it in the makeopt and reset the makeinstopt 00:48 < rxr> makeinstopt="$makeopt install" 00:48 < rxr> or var_insert makeinstopt " " "..." 00:48 < rxr> I prefer the first 00:48 < mnemoc> that var must be splited 00:48 < netrunner> var_insert is fine. it is not needed in make. 00:48 < mnemoc> $makeopt, $makeallopt, $makeinstopt 00:49 < rxr> yes - I tought about this , too 00:49 < rxr> can you add it into flyspray ? 00:49 < netrunner> arg. that's what I didn't remember. it places the binaries in $(NETPERF_HOME) 00:49 * rxr off crawling into the bed - cu 00:49 < mnemoc> anyone read that? 00:49 < mnemoc> ok 00:50 < rxr> yes 00:50 < netrunner> n8 rxr 00:50 < rxr> netrunner: then use ${bindir} 00:50 < netrunner> oki 00:50 < rxr> no $root needed - he dir ones are garuanteed to contain it ... 00:51 < netrunner> ah, fine now. comitting ... 00:51 < rxr> ;-= 00:51 < rxr> ;-) even 00:51 < mnemoc> flist checked? 00:51 < rxr> binary started *g* 00:51 < rxr> n8 00:51 < mnemoc> n8 01:04 < mnemoc> aarg... posix said nothing about halt,reboot,shutdown,... :( 01:14 < daja77> n8 01:14 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 01:14 < netrunner> n8 daja77, mnemoc and self 01:15 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-087-036.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:16 < BoS> re 01:17 -!- BoS is now known as BoS_ 01:17 < mnemoc> re BoS_ 01:17 < BoS_> 4hi mnemoc 01:17 < BoS_> sry, hi 01:22 -!- BoS_ is now known as BoS 01:41 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 01:41 < MadTux> grettings 01:41 < MadTux> i need a php .gem for x86 anyone can share it with me please? 01:43 < mnemoc> i have one for p4 01:44 < MadTux> mnemoc, mm... i can see if it works 01:44 < MadTux> please upload it to master 01:44 < mnemoc> wait a second 01:46 < mnemoc> MadTux: rsyncing to ~amery/bridge/ 01:47 < MadTux> gracias. 01:47 < mnemoc> listo 01:49 < MadTux> gracias mnemoc 01:49 < mnemoc> :) 01:49 < mnemoc> de nada 02:29 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-204.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:32 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-204.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:32 < nzg> re 02:33 < BoS> hi 02:37 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:11 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-204-033.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:15 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-083-046-012.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:35 < mnemoc> *yawn* 03:36 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:36 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:44 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBEA8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:46 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF93B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:57 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:43 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:23 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-204.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 06:14 -!- nookie__ [~nookie@62.47.222.85] has joined #rocklinux 06:20 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M480P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:49 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 06:49 < MadTux> re 07:23 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 07:51 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-087-036.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:27 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 09:27 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden|bbl 09:28 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden 09:29 -!- esden is now known as esden|bbl 10:30 < rxr> moin 11:06 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA107.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:17 < netrunner> moin Ã* 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-225.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:51 -!- tfing [~tfing@80.14.246.190] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:51 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 12:27 -!- tcr_ [~tcr@pD9EAAC6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:35 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA107.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:54 -!- Worf [~worf@193.170.225.113] has joined #rocklinux 13:17 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8CC18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:29 -!- tcr_ [~tcr@pD9EAAC6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:31 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D024.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:35 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803482.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:36 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803482.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:37 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803482.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:42 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803482.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:48 -!- Worf [~worf@193.170.225.113] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 13:52 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD958FDB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:53 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803482.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:53 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 14:13 -!- nookie [~nookie@62.47.199.217] has joined #rocklinux 14:16 -!- daja77 [[dqMXYzUlM@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:17 -!- nookie__ [~nookie@62.47.222.85] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:21 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-135-131.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:21 < nzg> moin 15:48 < valentin> moin nzg 15:52 < nzg> moin valentin 15:53 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39715.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:03 < mnemoc> moin 16:04 < valentin> moin mnemoc 16:06 < mnemoc> thx valentin 16:15 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:24 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABBA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:30 < mnemoc> rxr: packages looking for sendmail at usr/sbin should be patched or sendmail symlinked? 17:44 * blindy votes for symlinking 17:44 < blindy> that way I can continue to use the ROCK tree on non-ROCK machines 17:48 < mnemoc> ok 17:50 < mnemoc> any other vote? 18:10 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:10 < owl> moin 18:12 < nzg> moin owl 18:16 < owl> hi nzg 18:23 < mnemoc> hi owl, nzg 18:24 < nzg> moin mnemoc 18:26 < mnemoc> moin nzg 18:26 < owl> hi mnemoc 18:33 < mnemoc> how is it going owl? 18:44 < owl> hmm... being alive. thx. and in your life? 18:45 < mnemoc> broken but well :) 18:46 < owl> why broken? 19:13 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 -!- daja [~daja@dialin-212-144-017-009.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 < mnemoc> owl: low income, high outcome 19:31 < mnemoc> hi ${daniel%77}, Lorini 19:31 < daja> hi mnemoc 19:34 < owl> mnemoc: welcome in the club 19:34 < owl> hi daja 19:34 < daja> hi owl 19:40 < owl> <- off again. bye 19:40 < daja> cu 19:42 < mnemoc> cu owl 20:08 < rxr> re 20:08 < daja> wb rxr 20:08 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 20:08 < rxr> vote: symlink 20:09 < netrunner> 890 builds total, 118 completed fine, 2 with errors. ... quite good so far, only linux24 failed. 20:09 < rxr> oh - was a active #rocklinux day ... 20:09 < rxr> :-( 20:09 -!- christian_ [~christian@84.128.142.159] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 < daja> https://www.antville.org/img/ungepl/Werner.jpg 20:09 < rxr> netrunner: gcc-3.4 ? 20:09 < netrunner> rxr: jup, desktop for k6-2 20:09 < rxr> sure - do you think I propose it when it is totally broken ? 20:09 < rxr> only the toy stuff and linux24 needs fixing 20:10 < rxr> (linux24 onl in some optimization combinations - compiled for pentium-mmx here ...) 20:10 < netrunner> rxr: do you think I'd apply it if I wouldn't trust in your work? 20:10 < rxr> netrunner: btw. did you apply all my patches ? 20:10 < netrunner> rxr: all I saw. and other updates lingering around up there. 20:12 < rxr> good ;-) 20:21 < daja> .oO (real life got me) 20:21 < netrunner> daja: got hungry? 20:22 < daja> that too 20:22 < netrunner> ah, and the usual electricfence. but that's nothing new to me. 20:22 < daja> lol 20:24 < nzg> daja: you can also buy it on a t-shirt 20:25 < daja> nah 20:26 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39715.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:48 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E3902D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:54 -!- christian_ [~christian@84.128.142.159] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:01 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E390E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:03 < rxr> ok - a gcc-3.4 hacked blender does work 21:03 < rxr> (at least start - no idea how to use blender - dragging transparent menues around does work, too) 21:17 < netrunner> the tree gcc34 patch does not apply ... 21:19 < netrunner> rxr: did you say that the airport in the ibook does not work under linux? 21:21 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E3902D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:21 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD953040A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:25 < rxr> netrunner: only the airport extreme does not work 21:25 < rxr> the normal airport works very well (pre G4 iBooks ...) 21:38 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E390E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:44 * netrunner found a nice way to detach a prozess from the xterm where the binary was executed from: kill -9 $$ 22:04 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABBA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:11 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden 22:12 < esden> netrunner: that is called killing ... not detatching ... you can detatch screen ... but it is not dead after detatch ;) 22:12 < esden> hi all sbtw ;) 22:12 < esden> ahh ... ok ... you killed the xterm ... sorry ... I misread ... 22:12 < dsoul> hi esden 22:13 < esden> hi dsoul 22:13 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M370P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:16 < rxr> == 05/15/04 21:39:36 =[5]=> Finished building package blender. 22:16 < rxr> needed 39 minutes to build ... 22:17 < rxr> (with mplayer and other builds in parallel ...) 22:18 < netrunner> esden: I therefore assume you do not believe in a life after death? 22:18 -!- nookie [~nookie@62.47.199.217] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:21 < esden> netrunner: erm ... not when it comes to programs ... 22:22 < esden> if they are dead they are dead ... or zombies ... and that is pretty equasl to zombie 22:23 < netrunner> rxr: I just commited my first gcc-3.4 patch. rediffed the tree one. 22:24 < rxr> clifford aready said he did so ... 22:24 < rxr> strange that I have an different tree tarball then you all have ... 22:26 < rxr> netrunner: dillo Web browser 0.8.1 - do you wanna update ? 22:29 < netrunner> rxr: immediately :) 22:30 < rxr> cool thanks 22:30 * netrunner fighting with fam + gcc 3.4 22:30 < rxr> this is already fixed 22:30 < rxr> should be in submaster 22:31 < netrunner> ah :) 22:31 < rxr> my shit f*cking - damn this agh?!?!?! 22:32 < rxr> Apple: Apple Files Patent for Translucent Windows 22:32 < rxr> ^- https://slashdot.org/ 22:32 < netrunner> seems I missed some of the gcc 3.4 patches :/ 22:33 < rxr> https://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20040090467.PGNR.&OS=dn/20040090467&RS=DN/20040090467?TjmKotMo 22:34 < rxr> reading this crap hurts my brain 22:34 < rxr> he computer system of claim 8, wherein said first translucent state is 20% translucent and said second translucent state is 40% translucent. 22:34 < rxr> ^- this means if I use other translucent values my App is not affected by the patent ? 22:37 < netrunner> dillo update tested and committed 22:38 < rxr> thansk 22:38 < rxr> thanks - ;-) 22:39 < rxr> I did nearly nothing on computers to day and now I get headache 22:43 < netrunner> called turkey or sth like that :) 22:47 < valentin> rxr: did they patent the alpha blending formula, too ? 22:48 < rxr> does not look so 22:48 < rxr> I get headache reading patents ... 22:48 < rxr> have you taken a look?`This is written so ugly ... 22:48 < valentin> do they explain formaly what the term "window" refers to ? 22:49 < valentin> as long as we use X, we cannot have translucent windows anyway .. 22:49 < mnemoc> rehi 22:50 < valentin> or does the patent claim rights on screenshot based pseudo-translucency ? 22:50 < rxr> seems they claim on real transparency - no pseudo one 22:50 < rxr> but my brain has some problems parsing this *pseudo* enlgish 22:51 < rxr> hi mnemoc 22:51 * rxr off for tee 22:51 < netrunner> rxr: have you come across the tcpdump problem? https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2004-02/msg01185.html 22:51 < mnemoc> hi rxr 22:51 < mnemoc> rxr: common places for sendmail usr/{lib,sbin,bin}. we use usr/bin, should i symlink both or only sbin? 22:52 < esden> n8 22:52 < mnemoc> n8 esden 22:52 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 22:54 < rxr> only sbin 22:54 < rxr> having this in ilb is rediculous ... 22:54 < mnemoc> ack :p 22:55 < rxr> netrunner: if you encoutner a gcc-3.4 problem first take a look in submaster again 22:55 < rxr> most obvious important stuff is fixed 22:56 < rxr> hm - if filling boiling water into a glass container with minz leafs is patanted I now have a problem having patent lawyers in my house, soon 22:56 < rxr> ah mint even 22:56 < rxr> # svn status | wc -l 22:56 < rxr> 34 22:57 < rxr> hm - some stuff to cleanup and send ... 23:12 < mnemoc> : a few more packages for the desktop target <-- ?? is that a proper description? 23:15 < rxr> hm - why not ? 23:18 < mnemoc> kinding... but it can be i little more verbose :) 23:18 < rxr> ok - I try to stay more verbose 23:18 < mnemoc> ./rene -vv 23:19 < rxr> oh yes - I need some forks 23:19 < rxr> hm - scribus needs a glibc-2.3.4 fix ... 23:21 * netrunner fixing tcpdump for gcc-3.4 23:22 < netrunner> rxr: do you send those patches upstream? 23:22 < rxr> I should do - but this already costs so much time ... 23:23 < mnemoc> sm send --upstream <--- based on [A] :) 23:25 < netrunner> mnemoc: submaster should automatically notify authors :) 23:25 < mnemoc> that's risky :) 23:26 < rxr> I just added to the handbook that the [A] should at least contain one valid email address taht accepts patches 23:26 < rxr> we should keep more care with the A tag so we can send patches upstream more easily 23:26 < rxr> (e.g. not visiting each homepage first ...) 23:27 < rxr> I just updated and fixed blender 2.33 - and 2.33a fails again ... 23:27 < rxr> (with a different new problem ...) 23:27 < netrunner> rxr: ... and for the kernel you add extra chapters that describe the procedure ;) 23:28 < rxr> ,)) 23:28 < rxr> oh my - the blender guys seem to have added specializations to the templates ... 23:29 < rxr> this is not that easy to get correct for gcc-3.4 .:-( 23:29 * rxr fixed this properly for gsmp-ng - but I do not want to do this for blender .... :-( 23:29 < rxr> 2.33a update canceled ... 23:35 < rxr> hm - clifford invent s.th. long ago I jsut reinvented 23:35 < rxr> damn that nobody knows ... 23:36 < rxr> but I do this cleaner now ... :-( 23:37 < rxr> did anyone here used bkef and xdiff ? 23:37 < rxr> mked even ... 23:37 < netrunner> my first own gcc-3.4 fix comitted. it's more a workaround, since the configure.in should be fixed ... but it works for rock 23:40 < mnemoc> anyone knows where hostname is on /proc ? or a url with /proc explained :) 23:41 < mnemoc> /proc/sys/kernel 23:41 < netrunner> mnemoc: /usr/src/linux/Documentation :) 23:41 < mnemoc> i was thinking in something more browser-friendly :p 23:42 < rxr> mnemoc: hostname is not in kernel 23:42 < netrunner> mnemoc: file:///usr/src/linux/Documentation 23:42 < rxr> it is determined by libc from /etc/hosts (IIRC) 23:42 < mnemoc> cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname 23:42 < netrunner> rxr: there is a /proc/sys/kernel/hostname that holds the one 23:43 < rxr> mnemoc: ah - yes messed it with the domainname 23:43 < mnemoc> it's there too :p 23:43 < rxr> the in-kernek-one is just for some NIS whatever stuff 23:43 < rxr> # cat /proc/sys/kernel/domainname 23:43 < rxr> (none) 23:43 < mnemoc> but i don't doubt glibc takes it from there 23:43 < mnemoc> rxr: domainname foo.com; cat /proc/sys/kernel/domainname 23:45 < rxr> hm - the last time I reviewed this it has not been this way 23:45 * rxr puzzled 23:45 < mnemoc> :p 23:46 < rxr> cool - gens 23:46 < rxr> was this sonic thingi for the megadrive ? 23:47 < mnemoc> rxr: hostname takes /etc/HOSTNAME into kernel, but domainname? resolv.conf? 23:47 < mnemoc> what's the standard place to leave the domainname? 23:48 < netrunner> rxr: it's a very cool game 23:49 < netrunner> rxr: sonic the hedgehog ... a jumpnrun where you collect coins, idea like mario. 23:51 < rxr> I know 23:51 -!- javito [~loco64@201-003-234-046.fnsce7006.e.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #rocklinux 23:51 < rxr> this is why I wondered if it was for the megadrive 23:51 < rxr> it is 23:51 < rxr> I just looked on the gens homepage 23:51 < rxr> but somehow I have better graphic in memory - as usual with this old games 23:54 < netrunner> tv games are not always best shown on a monitor. the graphic was quite ok ... and fast :) --- Log closed Sun May 16 00:00:16 2004