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--- Log opened Wed May 19 00:00:00 2004 00:01 < fake> TADA! 00:01 < LowLander> :-) 00:01 < fake> you made my day.. err.. night... 00:01 < fake> this is much cleaner than using select, it's overfeatured here 00:26 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:28 < LowLander> fake so now you can finish ROCK-live ? ;-P 00:50 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9523E5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:53 < owl> someone has about 2200 EUR to give to me? 00:54 < LowLander> hmmmnope 00:54 < owl> crap :( 01:14 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-204-148.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:18 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-083-043-102.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:18 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 02:39 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-93-182.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 02:39 < blokkie> compiling thunderbird takes ages .. darn 03:14 < mnemoc> *awn* 03:14 < mnemoc> y+ 03:49 < rolla> re 03:55 < fake> strdup and strsep both suck big time 03:55 < fake> err 03:55 < fake> strtok and strsep 03:57 < rolla> :) 04:11 < mnemoc> :) 04:11 < fake> grrrr 04:13 < fake> i don't want to experience broken c library functions at 4:13 am 04:13 < fake> when i have to go to classes at 7:45 04:14 < mnemoc> strtok get's the string only once, don't forget that 04:14 < mnemoc> gets* 04:20 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F390.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:24 < fake> mnemoc: i did. 04:24 < fake> the problem was that both failed in a completely different spot 04:24 * fake implemented hos own strsep :P 04:25 < mnemoc> we tend to do that :\ 04:26 < mnemoc> i coded in bash sysvinit and net-tools to only have iproute2 and runit :) 04:30 -!- blokkie_ [~blokkie@83-134-88-57.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 04:47 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-93-182.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit [Client Quit] 05:29 -!- demian [allyourbas@80.128.118.222] has joined #rocklinux 05:29 < demian> hi 05:43 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@218.212.49.138] has joined #rocklinux 05:44 < cchamilt> hello I am back for a bit 05:52 < jsaw> g'morning 05:54 < demian> da u know a good doc to start using snmp agents and entities.. to diagnose and generate statisticals for network devices and services ? 05:54 < cchamilt> I have an extended proposal from the small discussion last night since pearpc has done a lot. 05:55 < demian> ouh.. bye ! 05:55 -!- demian [allyourbas@80.128.118.222] has quit ["leaving"] 06:01 < cchamilt> Instead of trying to figure out how to run native versions of all non-native calls inside the build for full cross-compile. We do virtualization for those instances. It is not running virtualized all the way, just when there are non-build chain calls inside the system. It is kind of like what we do now to override gcc, etc. with wrappers. We have a native execution path for cross compile build chain and a virtulaized execution path for anything i 06:05 < cchamilt> It also shouldn't slow things down too much, yet give us multikernel/libc build capability. There is pearpc for powerpc, bochs for x86, and I found an arm7 ulinux virtualizer available(would like something for mmu, especially xscale). 06:15 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M399P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:22 -!- nookie [~nookie@M339P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:05 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39E1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:09 -!- christian__ [~christian@217.227.156.36] has joined #rocklinux 07:09 -!- praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:16 < netrunner> moin 07:17 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39E1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:20 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39AC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:21 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E398C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:21 -!- christian__ [~christian@217.227.156.36] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:21 < dsoul> hi netrunner 07:24 -!- christian__ [~christian@217.227.150.91] has joined #rocklinux 07:39 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39AC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:39 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39C60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:41 -!- christian__ [~christian@217.227.150.91] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:43 -!- blindcoder [~crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:43 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD9E390CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:47 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-169-191.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:47 < BoS> moin moin 07:48 -!- blindcoder [~crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit [""You're breaking my heart, tears in my eyes. Nothing but pain and nothing but lies.""] 07:50 -!- Frederic [~christian@217.227.144.191] has joined #rocklinux 07:54 < dsoul> hi BoS 07:58 < BoS> hi dsoul 07:58 < BoS> you are here at this time? 07:58 < dsoul> yes 07:58 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39C60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:58 < dsoul> why are you asking? 07:59 < BoS> at work 07:59 < dsoul> i have an hour to start :> 07:59 < BoS> whitout any background 08:00 < BoS> <-/ must start at the next few minutes ;( 08:01 < dsoul> :/ 08:03 < BoS> bbl 08:05 < BoS> dsoul: here is a url to software patents (in german) https://www.pro-linux.de/cgi-bin/NB2/nb2.cgi?show.6827.6010.. 08:05 < BoS> nice 08:06 < dsoul> bye BoS 08:06 -!- christian__ [~christian@pD9E390CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:07 < dsoul> BoS i know the topic, last monday we have a conference with rms :> 08:07 < BoS> ah - the first step for us but .... 08:07 < BoS> a long way to target 08:07 < BoS> ok - bye dsoul 08:23 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4F76B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:39 < blindy> moin 08:40 < dsoul> hi blindy 08:47 < blindy> https://kwiki.ffii.org/?Cons040518En 08:48 < blindy> damn 09:42 -!- Frederic [~christian@217.227.144.191] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:54 < rxr> re 09:56 < blindy> moin rxr 09:56 < blindy> rxr: how are you today? 09:58 < rxr> better ... 09:58 < rxr> thanks 09:58 < blindy> ^^ 10:01 < dsoul> hi rxr 10:07 < rxr> was das: 10:07 < rxr> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=5684262&forum_id=56484 10:07 < rxr> einer fon hier? 10:07 < rxr> oops - wrong LANG 10:08 < rxr> was the above text produced by someone in this channel= 10:08 < rxr> ? even 10:08 * rxr still seems to be slightly ill ... :-( 10:14 < LowLander> morning 10:17 < dsoul> hi LowLander 10:26 < netrunner> re 10:26 < netrunner> now with the few fixes my 2nd build run goes much smoother :) 10:29 < blokkie_> morning 10:33 < netrunner> rock linux release manager :) 10:35 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:43 < dsoul> hi netrunner 10:44 < dsoul> hi blokkie_ 10:46 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:51 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 10:51 < rxr> cu later 10:52 < dsoul> bye rxr 10:59 < netrunner> ts, someone just came in and complained that the server I am working on used 100G/h last night. 11:11 < dsoul> cool :) 11:24 < daja77> nice comment frpm smonkin whoever that is 11:41 -!- Frederic [~christian@p508399D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:42 < owl> hi 11:42 < dsoul> hi owl 11:42 < owl> hi dsoul :) 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@80.13.164.213] has joined #rocklinux 11:43 < owl> hi Frederic , tfing_ 11:44 < blindy> moin owl 11:44 < owl> hi blindy :) 11:44 < blokkie_> so if I have this straight , 1) Update-Src 2) Download 3) Update-System ? 11:46 -!- tfing [~tfing@80.13.164.11] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:46 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:48 < dsoul> blokkie_ should work :) 11:49 < daja77> no 11:50 < blokkie_> coz it looks like ./Download want's to mirror the entire internet 11:50 < daja77> blokkie_: co the src as I told you and use Emerger-Pkg for the packages you want to update 11:51 < blokkie_> daja77: can you paste me that command again ? 11:52 < daja77> 20:33 < daja77> svn co svn://svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk 11:52 < blokkie_> this is my 4the reinstall .. I need to understand everything, if I want to help a bit with the AMD64 port 11:52 < daja77> :) 11:53 < blokkie_> thx for the link 11:56 < netrunner> daja77: using trunk is not the best idea. gcc34 ist standard now iirc, and most packages have not yet had their fix applied. 11:57 * blokkie_ stares at netrunner 11:57 < blokkie_> so .. I should svn from another source ? 11:59 < netrunner> hm, no, seems ok. it is not yet applied. 11:59 < blokkie_> *phiew* 12:00 < netrunner> blokkie_: it depends on what you want. trunk is the bleeding edge, and might sometimes contain inconsistences. 12:00 < netrunner> blokkie_: if you want to go stable, stick to one of the releases. 12:00 < blokkie_> I'm adventurous :-) 12:04 < owl> do you have patches for lilo? 12:04 < netrunner> owl: with gcc34? 12:05 < owl> nope. with gcc-3.2.3 12:05 < netrunner> well, it build's fine with 34, so why shouldn' 12:05 < netrunner> t it with 323? 12:05 < owl> hrm. k. thx. 12:05 < netrunner> bbl 12:06 < owl> it builds, but i get errors like "fatal: open /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1: no such file or directory" even with lilo-22.5.9 12:07 < blokkie_> is that device there ? 12:08 < owl> nope. of course _not_. because i don't have a HD there... but i'm wondering, why it tries to access it - cuz i don't have written into /etc/lilo.conf something .. 12:14 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBE3BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:14 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF50A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:17 < owl> hrm. /dev/ide/host0/bus0 and /dev/ide/host0/bus1 are on the same HD? not really...??? 12:17 < blindy> no 12:17 < blindy> on the same controller 12:17 < owl> hmm... 12:18 < owl> so the problem could be, that i've HD+cdrom, and HD+HD? 12:19 < blindy> what _is_ the problem 12:19 < owl> problem: "fatal: open 12:19 < owl> /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1: no such file or 12:19 < owl> directory" even with lilo-22.5.9 12:21 < blindy> yeah, there is no part1 on secondary master 12:21 < blindy> err 12:21 < blindy> yeah 12:21 < blindy> seconday master 12:22 < owl> hmm... i even don't see a secondary master there... 12:22 < blindy> that's the problem 12:22 < owl> humn. *totally confused* 12:23 < blindy> why do you want to install lilo on the secondary master? 12:24 < owl> i want to install it on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc in the MBR........ 12:25 < owl> but linux is installed on another device 12:34 < jsaw> owl: did you try lilo -A .../bus0/... 12:35 < blindy> owl: so put /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc into lilo.conf 12:37 < owl> blindy: i did... it's my _boot_ 12:37 < owl> jsaw: hmm. not yet 12:37 < blindy> owl: paste me your lilo.conf, will you? 12:38 < owl> blindy: yeah, a second please. had to verify something 12:38 < owl> i have: 12:38 < owl> secondary master: 12:39 < owl> 1) western digital, 45 GB (win installed on it) 12:39 < owl> 2) samsung, 160 GB (nothing installed on it - it's just a 160 GB partition for data) 12:40 < owl> s/secondary master/master 12:40 < owl> now - secondary master: 12:40 < owl> 1) maxtor, 20 GB - whole partition for linux, linux installed on it 12:40 < owl> 2) cd/dvd-drive 12:41 < blindy> ok 12:41 < owl> lilo.conf 12:41 < owl> boot = /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc 12:42 < owl> message = /boot/boot_message.txt 12:42 < owl> prompt 12:42 < owl> timeout = 600 12:42 < owl> change-rules 12:42 < owl> reset 12:42 < owl> vga = 773 12:42 < owl> default = linux-devfs 12:42 < owl> image = /boot/vmlinuz-devfs 12:42 < owl> label = linux-devfs 12:42 < owl> read-only 12:42 < owl> - end of lilo.conf 12:45 < blindy> looks good 12:45 < blindy> now lilo -C /path/to/lilo.conf 12:45 < owl> yeah. works good with linux-2.4.2x too 12:46 < owl> same error as above 12:47 < owl> btw, i have: 12:47 < owl> /dev/ide/host0/bus0 12:47 < owl> but not bus1 12:47 < owl> and i have: 12:48 < owl> /dev/ide/host1/bus0 12:48 < owl> but not bus1, there, too 12:49 < owl> (and kerm 12:49 < jsaw> owl: is your partition activated? 12:49 < owl> nel is 2.6.6. 12:49 < owl> activated? 12:49 < jsaw> with fdisk 12:49 < jsaw> (as boot dev) 12:50 < owl> boot dev: 12:50 < jsaw> otherwise, try the -A and the -M option 12:50 < owl> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 <- linux, ext2 12:51 < owl> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 <- windows, ntfs 12:52 < owl> lilo -A what -M what ? .oO("alter maulesel") 12:52 < jsaw> rtfm :) 12:52 -!- jsaw is now known as alter-maulesel 12:52 < owl> *lol* 12:53 < owl> not you, lilo 12:53 < alter-maulesel> "lilo -M /dev/ide/host0/... mbr" 12:53 -!- alter-maulesel is now known as jsaw 12:53 < jsaw> (but I am, ask my wife...) 12:53 < owl> *rofl* 12:53 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 12:53 < owl> thx, maulesel - scnr :p 12:54 < jsaw> :) 12:54 < owl> hrhr. if it worked now, i am able to go to "my maulesel" aeh horse ;) 12:55 < owl> crap. if it worked... now no lilo appears, but windows boots *pukeÜ 12:57 < jsaw> ride your horse (there you're at least sure you get always back to the stall (or should I say food) 12:58 < owl> *g* there 's no stall... just a "unterstand" more or less ;) 12:59 < blokkie_> shelter .. 12:59 < blokkie_> why you want to use lilo in the first place ? 12:59 < blokkie_> it's old .. depricated .. 12:59 < blokkie_> grub has a nice "edit" funktion if it can't find a kernel or a root dev 13:00 < owl> yeah. but i'm too lazy to read the manpages of grub *cough* 13:00 < blokkie_> wha ? 13:00 < blokkie_> and you waste your time rebooting and testing ... ok /me has lost faith in mankind :-) 13:00 < owl> YEAH! i pressed a key and got a kernelpanik! !?!#~! 13:01 < owl> *ggg* yeah 13:01 < owl> no problem - i'm female - so it's natural, that you don't understand me *eg* 13:01 < jsaw> somebody around with time to security update svn, cvs and libneon? 13:04 < owl> gaaaah!!! now the pc even boots anymore. without beepcodes, without errormessages, without anything but a black screen 13:04 < owl> .oO(might i should suggest my dad to buy a new pc....... - a running one) 13:05 < blokkie_> jsaw: sorry, I'm still upgrading my rock, and I don't think I have the skillz to help yet 13:07 * netrunner burning gcc34 bootdisk and gcc34 desktop build 13:07 < owl> thearfVCDY 13:07 < owl> FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!!! 13:08 < netrunner> hey! 13:08 < blokkie_> owl: .... *sigh* 13:09 < owl> my dad... bilogical father. whatever 13:11 < owl> now i'm the person who he can blame. why his fscking old pc didn't boot 13:14 < owl> and now - " you will never touch this PC anymore! and: i will not buy an pc, even if this one will never work again!" ASSHOLE! I'M HATING HIM! 13:16 < netrunner> wonderful. I get "bad gzip magic numbers" when booting the cd :( 13:18 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ["fucking world. kiss my backside. dying"] 13:22 < blokkie_> I'm glad s/he is gone 13:25 < dsoul> :> 13:26 < blokkie_> what are bad gzip magic numbers ? 13:27 < netrunner> something that should not happen. 13:27 < blokkie_> :-) 13:27 < netrunner> magic patterns are used to determine file types. see /etc/magic 13:28 < netrunner> if they are bad, it meands the one found was not recognized. 13:28 < blokkie_> I don't have /etc/magic 13:33 < netrunner> /usr/share/file/magic 13:35 < blokkie_> ah thx 13:37 < blokkie_> is a mais that like MIME type ? 13:40 < netrunner> argl. 5-bootdisk went fine even without gzip. it just didn't create a kernel 13:40 < blindy> *lol* 13:40 < netrunner> how amusing. 13:42 * netrunner now has a coffee-automate in his kitchen. 13:42 < dsoul> netrunner im still patching glibc :) 13:42 < dsoul> now in stage 5 :) 13:43 < netrunner> dsoul: what for? 13:44 < dsoul> becouse its not compiling :) 13:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAACC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:44 < netrunner> dsoul: what weird things are you trying? compile for casio pocket watch? 13:45 < dsoul> for athlon xp :) 13:45 < netrunner> that should go straight. 13:45 < dsoul> and its now fuuny :P 13:45 < dsoul> not funny 13:46 < dsoul> should but its not 13:46 < netrunner> dsoul: maybe some prerequisite failed? 13:46 < blokkie_> it compiled ok here ( amd 2400+ XP 13:48 < dsoul> netrunner no 13:48 < dsoul> first error was connected with optimisation 13:48 -!- lowy [erwin@p54802144.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:49 < dsoul> i've removed 1 line of assembly code and it worked 13:49 < dsoul> now i have smoe problem with makefile 13:50 < netrunner> ey, this cannot be. I built for Athlon-MP several times and it works fine. The optimisation is quite similar. 13:52 < dsoul> netrunner it happened after upgrade do 2.3.4 13:57 < blokkie_> netrunner: about that magic number , your error, does it mean that the gzip is not a gzip coz the magic number is fscked ? 13:58 < daja77> jsaw: security update again? 13:59 < netrunner> blokkie_: something like that. I had no gzip at this point :) 13:59 < netrunner> daja77: what= 13:59 < netrunner> ? 13:59 < blokkie_> ah , ok, I was just trying to understand the magic thing 14:00 < daja77> netrunner: jsaw asked for help on security update of cvs svn and neon 14:00 < netrunner> ah. do they have flaws? 14:01 < daja77> have to look that up, guess i could ugrade and patch this evening 14:02 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBE3BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:04 * netrunner updating subversion 14:05 < daja77> k. 14:05 < daja77> <- chatting from a macosX box >_< 14:05 < dsoul> :) 14:06 < jsaw> daja77: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47493 14:07 < jsaw> (but maybe it's already fixed? me <- lost overview) 14:11 < daja77> no this new 14:12 < daja77> netrunner: please update libneon first, it is used by subversion as well 14:13 < jsaw> no, 14:13 < jsaw> https://subversion.tigris.org/svn-sscanf-advisory.txt 14:13 * netrunner updating the four 14:15 -!- nookie [~nookie@M397P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:15 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M399P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:27 < netrunner> updates sent 14:42 < blokkie_> could it be esound is broken ? 14:46 < blokkie_> make cannot find esd.h 14:49 < jsaw> thx netrunner 14:50 < rolla> re 14:52 * netrunner waiting for his gcc34 build to install 14:53 < daja77> oh you have a finished build, nice 14:53 * daja77 should start a new to see if the games are working now 14:53 < netrunner> quite a few built, only some not. 14:54 < netrunner> what shall we do with all the gcc34 patches btw? does rene send them all? 14:54 < blokkie_> waht windowmanagers do you all use ? 14:54 < daja77> in case of sdl i would wait for a new release 14:55 < daja77> they've spotted the problem, just posted crap patches 14:55 < netrunner> blokkie_: wmx 14:55 < link_> fluxbox 15:02 -!- blokkie_ [~blokkie@83-134-88-57.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit [Client Quit] 15:03 < netrunner> prima. "Autocreated fstab-file: <empty>" 15:05 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-57.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 15:20 < rxr> rehi 15:21 < rxr> blokkie: waimea, windowmaker, kde ... 15:21 < blokkie> I just found waimea , and it's nice 15:22 < rxr> (it has some minor oddities ... - I might one day fix them) 15:22 < rxr> (but the project seems to be dead - the decender is kahakai - but it does not work for me ...) 15:25 < netrunner> what would I use to create cd labels? (alternative to cdlabelgen?) 15:26 < netrunner> oh, the stone network config is nice 15:29 < rxr> now I believe there are mostly really dump people in the heise forum 15:30 < rxr> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=5696740&forum_id=56484 15:30 < rxr> I do not respond to this Computer newbies any further - this is an extreme waste of time 15:30 < netrunner> rxr: oh, you didn't know? 15:31 * blindy puts on his premium I-told-you-so-face 15:31 < rxr> I knew there are many dump people - but this is rediculous 15:31 * rxr knows why he develops most of the time and skips forum crap ... 15:33 < netrunner> oh nice, stone asks if it should reboot :) 15:33 * netrunner likes it. 15:38 < rxr> netrunner: so we soon hould be ready for world-domination - eh? ;-) 15:38 < rxr> netrunner: do you have a @rocklinux.org email address? 15:40 < jsaw> gotta go, cu later... 15:40 < netrunner> rxr: yes. :) no 15:40 < rxr> hi jsaw; and cu jsaw 15:41 * netrunner booting ... 15:41 < dsoul> bye jsaw 15:41 < netrunner> ciao jsaw 15:41 < netrunner> rxr: have you seen the security updates jsaw pointed out? 15:41 < rxr> netrunner: oehm - no 15:41 < rxr> netrunner: gcc340-fixes-v2.4.26-try4.patch 15:42 < rxr> is ready - could you give it a try? So I push a linux24 update into submaster 15:42 < netrunner> rxr: subversion, neon and cvs affected. patches are in submaster. 15:42 < daja77> thought 2.4 is already fixed 15:42 < rxr> (or you push the submater patch if you like 15:42 < rxr> ) 15:42 < netrunner> daja77: patchwork :) 15:42 < daja77> netrunner: ? 15:42 < rxr> daja77: it was mostly - some bits for other optimizations than I used had to be fixed 15:42 < daja77> ah k. 15:42 < daja77> worked for me 15:43 < daja77> rxr: nice flame war 15:43 < rxr> the -try3 depended on optimizaion setting 15:43 < rxr> -try4 shoudl work more often 15:44 * daja77 browsing submaster with safari 15:44 < netrunner> rxr: have you done anything else besides the stuff I did? 15:45 < daja77> rxr: do you think this kdelibs security patch is ok? 15:50 < rxr> netrunner: for linux24? I appended your chunk and added our three names to the top 15:50 < rxr> please retest just to be sure for reference 15:50 < rxr> daja77: yes - I read it on the kde list and so on 15:50 < netrunner> rxr: build started 15:51 < rxr> daja77: I would like release early often policy for this things so we would just pull the next kde version 15:51 < netrunner> rxr: I think the reboot feature forgets to clear /etc/mtab, had to manually empty it ... 15:51 < rxr> daja77: pushing patches around for such things just suck - I do not know why release early release often is such a problem for some projects ... :-( 15:51 < daja77> rxr: well but there is no new release atm 15:52 < rxr> yeah - I know I just wanted to stat this ... this is why I begun with "yes - " ;-) 15:52 < daja77> *gg* ok 15:52 < daja77> the original patched did not apply, wihich sucked most 15:52 < daja77> patches even 15:53 < daja77> cvs diffed stuf is considered evil 15:53 < rxr> .oO(CVS is consider evel ...) 15:53 < daja77> hehe for sure 15:55 < netrunner> damn, gottago 15:55 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-57.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit ["leaving"] 15:58 < rxr> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/47504 15:58 < rxr> ^- /me off writing a fuse <-> {pop3,imap} module 15:59 < rxr> (me never going to invest in local storage again ,-) 16:00 < daja77> hehe 16:02 < rxr> Gmail does not currently support your browser. 16:02 < rxr> See browser requirements for Gmail 16:02 < rxr> or sign in anyway. 16:03 < netrunner> rxr: build seems to work so far, kde crashes at login (no time to debug, maybe the driver for the graka (via)) 16:03 < netrunner> bbl 16:04 < daja77> supporting a browser, what a crap 16:04 < rxr> netrunner: kde w/ gcc-3.4 does work on my iBook ... 16:04 < rxr> in fact I had not a single problem (aside the patches I had to create) with the gcc-3.4 based build, yet 16:04 < rxr> anything is running smothly 16:05 < rxr> gpri 16:05 < daja77> you fixed all kde packages? 16:06 < rxr> ^- oops 16:06 < rxr> daja77: ah no - some build erors still remain - I meant just the stuff that now builds 16:06 < daja77> k. :) 16:19 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 16:22 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-57.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 16:24 [Users #rocklinux] 16:24 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ kasc ] [ mnemoc ] [ SMP ] [ th_ ] 16:24 [ blokkie ] [ fake ] [ link_ ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] [ togg ] 16:24 [ BoS ] [ Freak ] [ LowLander] [ nookie ] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 16:24 [ cchamilt] [ Frederic] [ luckz ] [ rolla ] [ tcr ] 16:24 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ tfing ] 16:24 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 16:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAACC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:07 < blokkie> see you all tomorrow 17:16 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8DA75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:19 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CD23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:26 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:30 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:30 < tiefengrund> hello @ all 17:33 < dsoul> hi tiefengrund 17:34 < tiefengrund> das rocklinux macht mir kopfschmerzen 17:34 < tiefengrund> will nicht installieren 17:34 < tiefengrund> die secondstage hängt 17:35 < rxr> which version? which archtecture? 17:36 < tiefengrund> 2.0.0 stable and x86 17:39 < rxr> the official desktop one? 17:39 < tiefengrund> yes 17:39 < tiefengrund> ahh 17:39 < rxr> ahh? 17:39 < tiefengrund> one of the files are buggy 17:39 < rxr> md5sum check? or in which way buggy? 17:40 < tiefengrund> 2nd_stage.tar.gz 17:40 < tiefengrund> this is the file 17:41 < tiefengrund> md5sum 2nd_stage.tar.gz 17:42 < tiefengrund> error processing 2nd_stage.tar.gz: fehlgeschlagen in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler 17:42 < rxr> hm - badly burned cd ? 17:42 < tiefengrund> maybe 17:43 < tiefengrund> and if i create the floppys ? 17:44 < rxr> you would need a functional cd for all the packages anyway 17:46 < tiefengrund> hm 17:46 < tiefengrund> and if i choose the small installation ? 17:47 < rxr> to install packages you either need a CD, or ftp/http server to get the packages ... 17:47 < rxr> (and the 2nd stage) 17:47 < tiefengrund> f** 17:47 < rxr> I would just make sure the CDs are valid 17:47 < rxr> on the server are .md5 files 17:47 < tiefengrund> yes, i have checked them 17:48 < tiefengrund> they are ok 17:48 < rxr> just compare md5sum /dev/cdrom (or what it is on your system) with those files 17:48 < rxr> but why do you get IO errors accessing the 2nd_stage* file then ... 17:48 < tiefengrund> ii dont know 17:48 < tiefengrund> maybe a bad cdr ... 17:49 < rxr> have you really checked the md5sum of your _burned_ CD-R? 17:50 < rxr> if you get a corrupted 2nd_stage a md5sum must also not match ... 17:50 < tiefengrund> hm 17:50 < tiefengrund> i dont know what it is ... 17:50 < tiefengrund> the sums are ok 17:51 < tiefengrund> maybe my cd-drive is damaged 17:53 < rxr> tiefengrund: do you work @ km3 ? 17:53 < tiefengrund> no 17:53 < tiefengrund> thats my ISP 17:54 < rxr> aha 17:54 < tiefengrund> why? 17:55 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:56 < rxr> because it is your hostname ... ?! 18:19 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 18:21 < armijn> pork linux! 18:22 < SMP> pork soda! 18:22 < armijn> that sounds gross 18:23 < armijn> www.rocklinux.org down? 18:23 < armijn> or just a problem on my side? 18:23 < SMP> not for me 18:24 < armijn> hmm 18:24 < SMP> "pork soda" - song by Primus 18:25 < armijn> ah. 18:25 < armijn> hmm, it works on another machine, so it must be something here that's rotten 18:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M397P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:30 < armijn> ah well 18:30 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux [] 18:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M397P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:04 < mnemoc> moin 19:07 < rxr> hi mnemoc 19:08 < mnemoc> hi rxr 19:09 < mnemoc> i add your rocknet patch, it screams because i don't have a 'default' profile 19:11 < mnemoc> rxr: your boot.msg is almost empty using klog -f or dmesg > ? 19:11 < rxr> using the current code - so klog ... 19:13 * mnemoc wonders about moving dmesg -n 3 to the top of system.init 19:15 * rxr building a PowerPC valgrind 19:15 < mnemoc> :) 19:16 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C993.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 < mnemoc> question: clifford votes after a package builds or when adding it to his jornal? 19:17 < rxr> it seems when he adds the next chunk to his build journal 19:17 -!- connyosis [~conny@foo159-182.visit.se] has joined #rocklinux 19:18 < mnemoc> then i can replace un-voted packages without putting him in troubles, and i have to send incremental patches to voted ones? 19:18 < rxr> I do not know how cliffords likes to get thos 19:18 < rxr> e 19:23 < mnemoc> fdxms driver from bootdisk fail to load on some new machines, updating it solves the problem. has mdlbl svn repo? 19:27 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8DA75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:34 < kasc> hiyas 19:41 < mnemoc> hi kasc 19:44 < kasc> just wanted to say that i'm kinda back ;) 19:44 < kasc> currently updating my repos 19:44 < rxr> cool - wb kasc 19:44 < kasc> thx 19:44 < mnemoc> =D 19:44 < kasc> hope the patches are ok... 19:45 < mnemoc> using submaster? 19:45 < kasc> i dont have submaster installed here, but i've submitted my patches via submaster frontend 19:46 < mnemoc> -p0 and description in the top of the .patch :) 19:47 < mnemoc> oh, don't forget an empty line after description 19:47 < kasc> the patches are the way clifford liked them before i took my time off... 19:47 < mnemoc> omg! you are flooding 19:48 < kasc> -p1 and one patch for every update... 19:49 < mnemoc> one patch per update is ok :) 19:50 < rxr> well smap accepts -p1 - at least clifford claims 19:50 < rxr> kasc: just diff the next ones as -p0 applyable and add a comment in the form 19:50 < rxr> Author: 19:50 < rxr> * what the patch does 19:51 < rxr> in front of the patch 19:51 < mnemoc> don't forget the empty line :) 19:51 < kasc> i just saw i forgot some... will change them before i submit them ;) 19:52 < mnemoc> =) 19:58 < kasc> is there an easy way to check which packages depend on package x? 19:59 < rxr> kasc: grep (...) 19:59 < kasc> grep through the .cache files? 20:00 < rxr> yep 20:01 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-169-191.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:02 < rxr> egrep "\[DEP\] .*freetype.*" package/*/*/*.cache 20:02 < rxr> or so should do it 20:03 < kasc> seems only pingus depends on clanlib... 20:04 < kasc> didnt more packages used to be dependend on clanlib? 20:11 < rxr> I also grepped for this recently in error logs and also only found pingus 20:11 < rxr> there was clanbomber - but the last times I took a look it was quite broken ... 20:17 < rxr> oh my is this 270Mhz box slow 20:17 * rxr rotating thumbs while waiting for g++ 20:18 < kasc> i'd like to upgrade from 0.6 to 0.7 in the near future, but maybe i'd better wait till i check'ed if it also builds with gcc34... 20:22 < netrunner> re 20:22 < netrunner> rxr: your patch built fine, I sm sent it 20:22 < rxr> cool - thanks 20:30 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB381.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 < netrunner> stupid tail has no option +skip any more :/ 20:39 < rxr> but I guess some -something equivalent = 20:39 < rxr> ? even 20:40 < netrunner> doesn't help anyway, I tried the blackdown java packages but they are for gcc 3.2 :( 20:40 < rxr> ouch 20:45 * daja77 hates this java binary crap 20:47 < rxr> thus the big ouch ;-) 20:49 < daja77> i recently stumbled over a piece of crap which is distributed with the install_anywhere stuff, which comes with a bundled java vm which crashes on recent linux and you can't replace it simply 20:50 < daja77> works on rh7.0 and so on >_< 20:52 * netrunner needs the java stuff ... :( 20:53 < netrunner> well, I'll leave my build server on the gcc3.2 build for now. But the epia runs nice and smooth. 20:53 < rxr> hm? someone needs Java? *g* 20:53 < rxr> ,) 20:54 < daja77> yes for some so called cross paltform applications 20:56 < tcr> Hmm, tonline is going to dismiss the current flatrate tariff? 20:56 < netrunner> rxr: see, I take the point that each language has it's justification and that I don't flame but use languages each for what they are best. 20:57 < netrunner> .o( and that ist mostly defined by where the money lives ;) 20:57 < rxr> me was just joking 20:57 < rxr> but I only use free languages - and if I ever should need Java for anything I would take gcj 20:58 < blindy> moin 20:59 < rxr> *lol* 20:59 < rxr> gsmp-obsolete/GSMP/examples$ ./ExtIOStreamTest 20:59 < rxr> ExtIOStreamTest 20:59 < rxr> MADHelper::Open: 20:59 < rxr> FrameCache: CTor: 0x38d70 20:59 < rxr> Stream can't open the file ... returning. 20:59 < rxr> FrameCache: DTor: 0x38d70 20:59 < rxr> vi ExtIOStreamTest.cc 20:59 < rxr> oh - lots of hardcoded files from my 3 years old /home layout *g* 20:59 < tcr> What do all the t-online users right here intend to do? 20:59 [Users #rocklinux] 20:59 [ blindy ] [ dsoul ] [ kasc ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ tfing ] 20:59 [ blokkie ] [ fake ] [ link_ ] [ mnemoc ] [ SMP ] [ th_ ] 20:59 [ cchamilt ] [ Freak ] [ Lorini ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] [ togg ] 20:59 [ connyosis] [ Frederic] [ LowLander] [ nookie ] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 20:59 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ luckz ] [ rolla ] [ tcr ] 20:59 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 21:02 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #rocklinux 21:02 < LowLander> what should we do ? 21:02 < blindy> tcr: hoeh? 21:03 < blindy> tcr: kill my firstborn? Well, it's a long-time goal, but still :) 21:03 < blindy> long-term 21:03 < tcr> Well, aren't they gonna increase the prices or something? 21:04 < blindy> tcr: didn't they already with T-DSL [123]000? 21:04 < LowLander> yeah thats what i thought 21:04 < tcr> I haven't cared about tariffs since I got this t-online flatrate... and I just incidentally got to know that they're going to increase the prices yet another time 21:05 < tcr> blindy, I think that's just going to come. What's up with all those numbers anyway? 21:05 < tcr> I'm a bit puzzled 21:05 < daja77> ringo: ? 21:05 < blindy> tcr: that's the downstream in kBit/s 21:06 < blindy> they have introduced three new speeds, obsoleting the old offers 21:06 < blindy> T-DSL 768 -> T-DSL 1000, 1536 -> 2000, N/A -> 3000 21:06 < blindy> downstream stays as low as before 21:06 < blindy> erm 21:06 < blindy> upstream 21:07 -!- Frederic [~christian@p508399D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:08 < ringo> daja77 hi :) 21:08 < tcr> blindy, and a flatrate for 30 ;- euro seems to be provided for 1000 only? 21:08 < blindy> tcr: correct 21:08 < LowLander> upstream goes up a bit too i thought 21:08 < blindy> LowLander: only for 2000 and 3000 21:08 -!- Frederic [~christian@p508399D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:08 < LowLander> ahh 21:08 < blindy> for 1000 it stays at 128, 2000 == 192 and 3000 == 256 21:08 < blindy> companies can get 512 21:09 < LowLander> well 2mbit and 3mbit are not worth the money yet 21:09 < tcr> blindy, Sorry for the dumb question but what has been the tariffs for the prior standard one? 21:09 < tcr> 25 or something like that iirc? 21:09 < blindy> 768/128 1536/256 21:09 < blindy> 29,94 21:09 < blindy> for 768 21:09 < LowLander> only bitch is those 24hour disconnects 21:09 < blindy> no idea for 1536 21:09 < daja77> hi ringo ... 21:09 < LowLander> but thats what dyndns is for 21:09 < blindy> LowLander: I softreboot my router every night at 04:00 so I don't really care 21:10 < ringo> I was just clicking in Mirc. Must get some theme ... 21:10 < LowLander> wow i got a higher upload than download bitrate for FC2 21:10 < tcr> blindy, Eh, you say the old tariffs was 30 euro already, too? 21:10 < blindy> tcr: yes 21:10 < blindy> tcr: that's what I pay for the T-Online Flatrate 21:11 < LowLander> well you have your ADSL line from the telekom and yer flatrate from t-online 21:11 < blindy> to that 20 EUR for the DSL-"Anschluss" 21:11 < blindy> which increases to 40 EUR for 2000 and IIRC 60 for 3000 21:12 < blindy> and another 20 EUR for 512 kB upstream 21:12 * blindy having a zombie 21:12 < tcr> Well, I'm just asking because my father is just looking up for alternatives. All he has so far come up with was crap with traffic volumne limitation 21:12 < blindy> anyone else want one? 21:12 < LowLander> 11,19 dsl + 25,81 t-online 21:13 < tcr> And I'm not sure why he's actually looking for alternatives. I should maybe ask him ;) 21:13 < ringo> blindy what is ... ? 21:13 < LowLander> + VAT 21:13 < ringo> I am feeling like it .... 21:13 < blindy> ringo: three flavors of rum and several fruit juices mixed together for fast alcoholic intoxication 21:13 < blindy> s/fast/quick/ 21:14 < blindy> you shouldn't have more than two of those per evening 21:14 < ringo> blindy sounds great I´ll have a couple ... 21:16 < blindy> or you might go blind 21:17 < blindy> that thing has just over 20% vol. and lots of fruit sugar to pump it directly into your bloodstream 21:17 < ringo> hmm dont like to go blind, my braille is not so good. 21:17 < blindy> I like this stuff :) 21:20 < LowLander> ok there was a bit to much pepper in my food 21:24 < rxr> oh my - a poket calculator must be faster than this U5 :-( 21:25 < daja77> rxr: feeling better? 21:25 < rxr> you mean due to the U5 or my illness? 21:27 < daja77> the illness of course 21:27 < rxr> yeah - thanks - better, but different and not yet 100% perfect ... 21:27 < rxr> but good enough to acompany Susan to the airport and hack a bit ... 21:30 < daja77> ;-) 22:03 -!- IRCMonkey3 [~chatzilla@gustav.academia3.sun.ac.za] has joined #rocklinux 22:15 -!- nookie [~nookie@M397P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:15 -!- nookie [~nookie@M235P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:25 < daja77> https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/patch-orgy.png 22:27 < rxr> ... 22:28 < netrunner> daja77: oh, you too :) 22:28 < netrunner> my net is so slow today ... 22:31 < daja77> :) 22:31 < daja77> for some strange reasons the samba patch did not apply 22:31 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB381.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:33 < daja77> did manually 22:38 * blindy --> bed 22:39 < rxr> n8 blindy 22:40 -!- IRCMonkey3 [~chatzilla@gustav.academia3.sun.ac.za] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040514]"] 22:45 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:50 -!- Frederic [~christian@p508399D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:54 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.55] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:55 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.55] has joined #rocklinux 22:55 * daja77 now co trunk to get screwed up submaster working again >_< 23:07 -!- Worf [~worf@193.170.225.113] has joined #rocklinux 23:50 -!- connyosis [~conny@foo159-182.visit.se] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] --- Log closed Thu May 20 00:00:15 2004