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--- Log opened Thu May 20 00:00:15 2004 00:11 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-130-014.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:12 < nzg> moin 00:15 < daja77> hi nzg 00:18 < nzg> i hate being at home... 00:18 < daja77> why 00:18 < nzg> dad has his hands on the isdn-line => not much time online 00:18 < daja77> ic 00:20 < nzg> ic? 00:21 -!- Worf [~worf@193.170.225.113] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 00:21 < daja77> i see ... 00:22 < LowLander> hmmm thats a while back since my dad controlled my online time :-) 00:23 < nzg> when i'm at school, i control it myself because i must pay if im online too much, but here... 00:34 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-130-014.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 00:49 -!- Netjacket [~ZZZZZz@24-113-113-145.wavecable.com] has joined #rocklinux 00:50 -!- Netjacket [~ZZZZZz@24-113-113-145.wavecable.com] has left #rocklinux [] 00:51 < rxr> n8 all 02:06 -!- giftnuss [~giftnuss@p5087FD95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 02:07 < giftnuss> Good evening! 02:07 < giftnuss> I need some with submaster. 02:09 < giftnuss> The "sm sync" does not work because there is a syntax error. 02:10 < giftnuss> The second revision is not present. 02:54 -!- giftnuss [~giftnuss@p5087FD95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20040111]"] 03:21 -!- esden|bbl [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:21 < esden|bbl> hi ho everyone 03:21 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden 03:21 < esden> is someone alive 03:21 < esden> ? 03:24 < esden> humm seems not 04:29 -!- Fighter-X [~daniel@1Cust71.tnt8.dfw9.da.uu.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 -!- Fighter-X [~daniel@1Cust71.tnt8.dfw9.da.uu.net] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 04:55 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 04:58 < mnemoc> *yawn* 06:16 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M230P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:22 -!- nookie [~nookie@M235P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:53 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@p54803359.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:53 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4F76B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:53 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 08:24 < jsaw> g'morning 08:55 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:02 -!- tiefengrund [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.62dp [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031007]"] 09:18 < fake> hm 09:19 < esden|zZz> good morning everyone 09:19 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 09:19 < fake> moin esden 09:20 < esden> hi fake 09:20 < fake> hum,breakfast... brb 09:20 * esden stands us so early only to realize that today is a holyday and that it was unnesseseray ... >_< 09:27 < blindy> moin 09:27 < esden> moin blindy 09:27 * blindy has become fond of C++ as well as SDL_image ^^ 09:28 < blindy> moin esden 09:29 < netrunner> moin 09:31 < esden> hehe ... everybody comes to sanity ... that is good ;) 09:31 < esden> moin netrunner 09:36 < blindy> esden: well, I need a Single-Player-Final-Fantasy-Legend-like Game-Engine 09:36 < blindy> esden: and haven't found a usable one that is still being worked on 09:36 < blindy> esden: so I needed to start my own 09:36 < blindy> esden: which was also a good reason to work a bit with C++ 09:37 < esden> lol good blindy ... every day is a good day to learn a new language ;) 09:40 < daja77> moin 09:41 < netrunner> hi daja77 09:41 < daja77> hi netrunner 09:41 * netrunner walks downstairs looking for his eggs 09:41 < daja77> .oO (download skript has strange priorities) 09:43 < esden> ??? 09:44 < daja77> i'd need linux26 before starnge kde apps to start my build >_< 09:46 < esden> lol 09:46 -!- Frederic [~christian@p508399D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:46 < daja77> ah ic kernel.org is down and 2.6.6 is not on the mirror >_< 09:48 < blindy> well, it really is but a mix of C with some object orientated stuff that only compiles with g++ 09:50 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5083995A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:51 < esden> rofl blindy you have no idea what you are talking about 09:51 < esden> really 09:51 < daja77> nice my university has a kernel.org mirror ... 09:52 < blindy> esden: correct ^^ 09:52 < blindy> I started to code that while being "just a bit" drunk 09:52 < blindy> and it works :) 09:52 < daja77> blindy: you've searched sf for such a thing? 09:52 < blindy> daja77: yes, but the best I found was Adonthell which doesn't look maintained 09:52 < esden> blindy: just a bit? ... _JUST_ a _BIT_??? 09:53 < blindy> esden: well... a zombie on an empty stomach, if you must know 09:53 < esden> hehe 09:54 < esden> I wanted to write a dependancy resolver some hours ago ... but I left it after I realyzed that I really feel zombielike 09:54 < esden> ok ... I watch "Wonderfull Days" now 09:54 < esden> cu l8er 09:54 < daja77> that reminds me that I still haven't got drunk with esden 09:54 < daja77> cu esden 09:54 < esden> daja77: we still have to do that 09:55 -!- esden is now known as esden|bbl 09:55 < daja77> yep cu 09:56 -!- Frederic [~christian@p508399D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:15 < blindy> bbl 10:16 -!- owl [~owl@dialin-212-144-048-198.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:16 < owl> ... 10:29 < fake> *yawn* 10:30 < fake> esden drunk is funnny 10:30 < fake> we once danced around a table to irish folk music 10:30 < fake> boy were we drunk 10:31 < fake> hi owl 10:32 < daja77> lol hi fake 10:53 < fake> https://antenne.vol.at/Cache/01010285.asp 10:53 < fake> could you please vote for 'kevins campfire' ? 10:53 < fake> just click on 'ueber das internet abstimmen' on the bottom of the page 10:53 < fake> it's a band of a friend 11:22 -!- nookie [~nookie@M512P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:31 < fake> now this is evil 11:32 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C993.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:34 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M230P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:35 < fake> whenever i opened a fifo O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK (which fails cause noones got it open for readin), alle successive calls to open() it O_RDONLY does not block 11:35 < fake> why? 11:36 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D40F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:36 < LowLander> morning 11:36 < fake> morning LowLander! 11:36 < fake> as you see, i've still got fifo problems ;) 11:36 < fake> O_RDWR is evil 11:37 < LowLander> why ? 11:37 < LowLander> actually i thinkO_RDWR is a linuxism 11:37 < fake> yep, that's the problem 11:38 < fake> openbsd doesn't like such linuxism ;) 11:38 < LowLander> well at that point i didn't know you were using BSD :-) 11:38 < fake> can i check wether an open() on a fifo would block? 11:38 < fake> access(...W_OK) doesn't work 11:39 < LowLander> hmm by trying a open i guess 11:40 < LowLander> btw what do you need the FIFO for in the first place ? 11:41 < fake> i have a daemon listening on a fifo, and i want to tell it stuff 11:41 < LowLander> so it is some sort of command fifo ? 11:41 < fake> yes 11:41 < LowLander> what kind of commands ? 11:42 < fake> its very hard to find good readings about this 11:42 < fake> just one command 11:42 < fake> <nick> <ip-address> 11:42 < LowLander> why not use a socket ? 11:42 < fake> security 11:42 < LowLander> that way you can send commands from another computer too 11:42 < fake> LowLander: i can ;) 11:43 < LowLander> use unix-domain sockets 11:43 < fake> i have a dumb user with a cat-into-fifo-program as shell 11:43 < fake> and i use libssh and prepropagated keys to acces it 11:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-3.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:44 < fake> thus i can 1) assure the authency of a host and 2) don't need another open port 11:44 < fake> so noone knows i have such a daemon running 11:44 < owl> hi fake 11:44 < LowLander> true, but you might wanna look into unix-domain sockets 11:44 < fake> LowLander: manpage? 11:45 < fake> hi owl! 11:45 < LowLander> socket, recv, send 11:46 < fake> 7 unix ;) 11:49 < Lorini> hi fake 11:50 < daja77> hi Lorini 11:50 < fake> hi Lorini 11:50 < Lorini> huhu daja 11:51 < fake> jackpot: https://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~bentlema/unix/advipc/ipc.html 11:51 -!- tfing [~tfing@80.13.164.213] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:51 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:55 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M298P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:08 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden 12:12 -!- nookie [~nookie@M512P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:31 < netrunner> how can I use more fonts in openoffice like the windows fonts? 12:38 < owl> hi esden 12:46 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 12:46 < LocalHero> rxr: Hi, still got problem with the isos? 12:50 < rxr> ah - now they are there ... 12:50 < blindy> rehi 12:50 < rxr> have you changed s.th.? 12:50 < owl> hi LocalHero , rxr , blindy 13:09 < LocalHero> owl: hi :) 13:10 < LocalHero> rxr: i think a mount hade been unmounted :(.. Hmm, havent had time to do any work on the site for some time. But this summer i will be unemployed and then i will have lots of time for rocklinux :) 13:11 < fake> LowLander: boy, i should have used unix sockets from the beginning 13:12 < LowLander> fake :-) so it is doing what it should do now ? 13:13 < LocalHero> rxr: did you have new isos on its way. Just let me know when you baseline a new version and i will this time create one iso for every arch :) 13:15 < fake> LowLander: like a charm 13:16 < LowLander> cool :-) 13:17 < LowLander> fake so when do i get my live-cd ;-P 13:17 < dsoul> lol 13:18 < fake> LowLander: i could sm send it right now, but there's a bug in linuxrc left, i'm afraid 13:18 < LowLander> whats wrong ? 13:19 < fake> hm, a vital insmod fails if done inside the linuxrc, it succeeds in the static shell though 13:19 < LowLander> any idea why ? 13:19 < LowLander> search path or so ? 13:29 < rxr> LocalHero: you want to build a iso for each arch? 13:30 < LocalHero> rxr: Well that would be nice but i dont have any other arch than x86 :(.. So i thought that i could supply isos for 386,486,586 etc. I have the space but i dont want to build old stuff when new stuff is on its way in some days :) 13:30 < rxr> I think we should not build so many different x86 isos 13:30 < dsoul> LocalHero wait for my project of remote compilation :P 13:31 < rxr> dsoul: ? 13:31 < LocalHero> rxr: oki? 13:31 < rxr> if you have too much space we should rather extract the isos so people can officially do network installs ... 13:31 < dsoul> web form with compilation options 13:32 < rxr> dsoul: and then? you get one package or an iso 13:32 < rxr> ? 13:32 < dsoul> rxr as you choose 13:32 < LocalHero> rxr: that would be nice.. Hmm, i will put it on my todo list. In the begining of juni i will be free from school for this summer and then i will fix the ftp and all that so that everybody has got a nice workbench :).. 13:33 < LocalHero> By the way. How do you efficently update your rockinstallation when new security bugs are found? 13:35 < dsoul> rxr i've got a spare serv, with some free horsepower :) 13:36 < rxr> LocalHero: either do manual Emerge-Pkg or Update-System when you re inside a stable series 13:39 < LocalHero> rxr: sounds like a lot of compiling :) 13:40 < rxr> LocalHero: no - inside a stable series not too much changes 13:41 < LocalHero> rxr: thats true but i tried it 13:41 < LocalHero> cd /usr/src/rock-src/ 13:41 < LocalHero> ./scripts/Update-System 13:41 < LocalHero> ERROR: No configuration 'default' found! 13:41 < LocalHero> so i guess that the config for building the system was not submitted on the isos :(.. 13:42 < rxr> it should be in /etc/ROCK-CONFIG or so 13:42 < rxr> yep there it is 13:44 < LocalHero> rxr: oki, thanx :) 13:45 < LocalHero> rxr: Are there any plan for a network based solution for package updates. Like if you have a whole lot of system and want them to be uptodate? 13:45 < fake> LowLander: not yet. 13:45 < fake> LowLander: but once i can finally finish the other stuff, i'll have a look at it 13:45 < daja77> there is a first version of rocket, haven't tried yet 13:47 < LocalHero> daja77: oki, any info on where to find it? 13:50 < rxr> in mine 13:59 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBF832.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:01 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit ["Irre explodieren nicht, wenn das Sonnenlicht sie trifft, ganz egal, wie irre sie sind."] 14:06 < LocalHero> cya all 14:06 < dsoul> bye LocalHero 14:07 -!- LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ["Kopete 0.8.2 : https://kopete.kde.org"] 14:11 -!- LowLander [erwin@p54802144.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:33 < rolla> re 14:36 < daja77> hi rolla, still here? 14:46 < dsoul> hi rolla 14:59 < rolla> daja77: yes 14:59 < daja77> so you start tomorrow? 15:00 < rolla> yes :) 15:01 < daja77> 1good :) 15:03 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #rocklinux 15:30 -!- Frederic [~christian@p54808786.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:38 -!- christian_ [~christian@p5083995A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:42 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808A7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:48 -!- Frederic [~christian@p54808786.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:02 -!- christian_ [~christian@p54808A7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:05 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39AD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9530ED6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:23 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39AD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:31 -!- blokkie_ [~blokkie@83-134-92-220.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 16:31 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-57.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:38 [Users #rocklinux] 16:38 [ blindy ] [ dsoul] [ kasc ] [ mnemoc ] [ rolla ] [ tfing ] 16:38 [ blokkie_ ] [ esden] [ link_ ] [ netrunner] [ rxr ] [ th_ ] 16:38 [ cchamilt ] [ fake ] [ lowy ] [ nookie_ ] [ SMP ] [ togg ] 16:38 [ christian_] [ Freak] [ luckz ] [ owl ] [ snyke ] [ valentin] 16:38 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ mistik1] [ ringo ] [ StefanG] 16:38 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 16:45 < ringo> hmmm quiet around here. 16:45 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@218.212.49.138] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040325]"] 16:52 * ringo must wait 3hr for new rock distro ... 16:54 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBF832.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:54 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBFB2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:57 < mnemoc> moin 16:58 < ringo> moin mnemoc 16:58 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D40F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:00 < mnemoc> hi ringo 17:01 < dsoul> hi mnemoc 17:01 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CB32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:01 < dsoul> hi ringo 17:03 < mnemoc> hi dsoul 17:04 < ringo> hi dsoul 17:04 < rxr> hi ringo mnemoc 17:04 < dsoul> hi rxr 17:05 < ringo> hi rxr 17:07 < mnemoc> hi rxr 17:07 < ringo> 44% of ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/official/stable/2.0.0/desktop/drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso ... 17:08 < valentin> mnemoc: what exactly was broken by undefing yy_set_bol, the generated scanner ? 17:08 < mnemoc> clip 17:08 < mnemoc> but know the tarball includes an updated .lex then lex is not called on build time 17:09 < valentin> yes, but what. did yy_set_bol apear in the scanner or elswhere in clip ? 17:09 < mnemoc> s/know/now/ 17:09 < valentin> i still do not get why flex people undef all that stuff in the header 17:10 < valentin> at least undefing yy_textptr breaks generated scanners 17:10 < mnemoc> i consider that undefines as human stupidity 17:11 < valentin> i consider unsing to much macros as stupidity 17:12 < mnemoc> clip use, in the third block of clic.lex a couple of calls to yy_set_bol 17:12 < mnemoc> that's true too :) 17:12 < valentin> with argument ? 17:12 < mnemoc> boolean 17:12 < valentin> like yy_set_bol(position) 17:12 < mnemoc> 0 and 1 17:12 < mnemoc> iirc bol means begin of line 17:13 < valentin> yes 17:14 < valentin> flex defines this macro as: 17:14 < valentin> "#define yy_set_bol(at_bol) \\", 17:14 < valentin> " { \\", 17:14 < valentin> " if ( ! YY_CURRENT_BUFFER ){\\", 17:14 < valentin> " yyensure_buffer_stack (M4_YY_CALL_ONLY_ARG); \\", 17:14 < valentin> " YY_CURRENT_BUFFER_LVALUE = \\", 17:14 < valentin> " yy_create_buffer( yyin, YY_BUF_SIZE M4_YY_CALL_LAST_ARG); \\", 17:14 < valentin> " } \\", 17:14 < valentin> " YY_CURRENT_BUFFER_LVALUE->yy_at_bol = at_bol; \\", 17:14 < valentin> " }", 17:14 < valentin> "]])", 17:14 < valentin> (still do not get why they use a macro instead of an inline function) 17:15 < valentin> but in flex evrythings a macro... 17:15 < mnemoc> didn't lex do the same? 17:15 < valentin> maybe, i never took a look at lex 17:17 < mnemoc> flex is almost abandon-ware, i don't expect to see modern code technics there ;) 17:20 < valentin> but we are all stuck with it 17:20 < mnemoc> there is any 1:1 replacement? 17:21 < valentin> no, as far as i'm concerned 17:22 < valentin> maybe someone should write some - but it would be inconsistent to the original flex in many ways. There are too many projects that rely on some oddities of flex 17:23 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-061-236.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:24 < nzg> moin 17:24 < valentin> moin ngz 17:24 < mnemoc> valentin: macros tend to produce that 17:24 < mnemoc> mon nzg 17:25 < dsoul> hi nzg 17:25 < nzg> moin valentin,mnemoc,dsoul 17:25 < valentin> mnemoc: thats why i hate them. I'm still thinking about wether we should un-undef all 7 macros instead of the two 17:26 < valentin> but lets be conservative - i'll vote for your patch as it is now 17:26 < mnemoc> :) 17:26 < mnemoc> thanks 17:30 < valentin> The flex mailinglist is dead, too - every two or three weeks there is some mail from some people complaining about a bug or sending in a fix, but there is no reply from the maintainers 17:31 < valentin> i once thought about taking over flex maintance, but it's all those macro shit that keeps me away from doing so 17:33 < rxr> do it anyway 17:33 < mnemoc> :) 17:33 < rxr> review a patch every three weeks is not that much work 17:34 < mnemoc> you can set the macros to call inline and keep compatibility 17:34 < rxr> you do not need to make the most modern parser out of it ... 17:34 < mnemoc> ack 17:34 < valentin> rxr: my prob is that there is no documentation about all those macro stuff, but half of the world is using it anyway 17:35 < valentin> i would rather reimplement flex following the "oficial" documentation from the info page 17:36 < mnemoc> that's a big job 17:36 < valentin> but then i guess there will be > 300 errors in the reference build 17:36 < valentin> and even more errors on runtime :( 17:37 < mnemoc> start from current and fix it 17:37 < mnemoc> and _clean_ it :p 17:37 < valentin> i thought so - but fixing becomes guessing 17:37 < valentin> about semantic 17:38 < mnemoc> true too 17:38 < valentin> as you see, i even did not manage to find out why flex undefs those 7 macros - as a maintainer i would simply kick those lines but maybe that breaks it 17:39 < valentin> i have the feeling thats why the current maintainers gave up 17:39 < rxr> you do not need a full ROCK Linux builds as regressions test 17:40 < rxr> just maintaining a list of the flex using - or intensively flex using packages and rebuilding them into your system should be sufficient .. 17:41 < valentin> maybe i should register flex-consulting.com ,) 17:42 < mnemoc> lol 17:43 < valentin> strange, the flex info page even names yy_set_bol as a public function - so that undef is realy wrong 17:56 < netrunner> xorg is nice. 18:08 < rxr> netrunner: ? 18:11 < owl> someone from IN has free time today? 18:13 < owl> blindy, esden, fake - someone of you maybe? 18:23 -!- owl [~owl@dialin-212-144-048-198.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["..."] 18:35 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-061-236.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 18:38 < blokkie_> back 18:39 -!- blokkie_ [~blokkie@83-134-92-220.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:44 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-92-220.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 18:44 < blokkie> re 18:56 < blokkie> I've ran ./Download && ./Update-System but when I want to do ./Emerge-Pkg -dep mplayer it still wants to upgrade all kinds of stuff I don't need . What is the best way to install gnome with all deps , or at least upgrade my entire system with gnome2 ? 19:00 < rxr> blokkie: Update-System already updated nearly any package on your system? 19:01 < blokkie> nope 19:01 < blokkie> it did nothin 19:01 < blokkie> I still have gcc332 19:02 < blokkie> now when I run ./Update-System it jsut comes back with a new prompt, which means all is OK right ? 19:02 < rxr> what gcc do you expect to have after an update? 19:03 < blokkie> 3.4 19:03 < blokkie> I also still have the old kernels 19:03 < rxr> 3.4 is not yet in svn - is it queued in submaster 19:03 < blokkie> 2.4.22 for example 19:03 < rxr> you also should not do this in your running system - you also need a glibc update for this and so on ... 19:04 < blokkie> ok .. fine, I can live with that, but how do I install gnome2 with all it's deps automaticly ? 19:04 < rxr> what ROCK version did you initially install? 19:04 < blokkie> 2.1 19:04 < rxr> 2.1 from CD ? 19:04 < blokkie> yes 19:05 < rxr> did we had 2.1 with a 2.4.22 kernel ? 19:05 < blokkie> minimal cd, then grabbed the svn repo like you said from trunk , then started upgrading parts from trunk 19:05 < rxr> ic 19:05 < blokkie> I don't know what the default kernel is on the CD :'( 19:05 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-UpdList 19:06 < rxr> does yield s.th. on your system ? 19:06 < blokkie> Sec , should I run that script now ? 19:06 < rxr> jups 19:07 < blokkie> ok .. hold on 19:07 < rxr> but do not post the full output here ... 19:07 < blokkie> (ps: thx for your time) 19:07 < rxr> it should yields quite a lot (normally) 19:07 < blokkie> mplayer is still compiling , sec 19:08 < rxr> you can run it in parallel 19:08 < blokkie> yep .. a HUGE list insdeed 19:08 < rxr> Create-UpdList is non instrusive it just generates output 19:08 < blokkie> do I need to emerge 'em one by one ? 19:08 < rxr> no - this is data used by Update-System 19:09 < blokkie> wich doesn't work atm 19:09 < fake> *ARGH* 19:09 < rxr> do you only get "Not installed." or do you also get version updates and checksum changs? 19:09 < fake> SMP: are you here? 19:09 < SMP> yeah 19:09 < blokkie> only "Not Installed" 19:10 < fake> SMP: now my isakmpd is driving me mad 19:10 < rxr> ok - Update-System does not install stuff not installed 19:11 < fake> SMP: all it keeps saying is "dropped message from 'other peer', no_proposal_chosen" 19:11 < blokkie> :-) obvious and clear , I'll install all listed one by one then 19:11 < rxr> it is intended to keep remote boxes on sync where you just want to have security stuff of installed packages to be rebuild ... 19:11 < rxr> blokkie: no 19:11 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2 19:11 < rxr> if you want gnome2 19:11 < blokkie> ow ow ow 19:11 < fake> SMP: and 'no response on 'sent message id', maybe dropped blabla 19:12 < rxr> and "-dep" if you want to ensure all the build requirements are built, too 19:12 < rxr> (but -dep is still a bit experimental often builds too much ...) 19:12 < SMP> fake: /query 19:12 < blokkie> -dep also installes mysql etc .. which I don't need 19:12 < rxr> then try without -dep and rebuild single dependencies when you see packages failing because of them :-( 19:12 < blokkie> rxr: you are my hero of the day !! I was not feeling into grabbing all the deps one by one :-) 19:13 < blokkie> rxr: where can I find a lsit of -repository 's .? 19:13 < rxr> when you have a normal system with X most gnome2 should build 19:13 < rxr> blokkie: "ls -l package/" 19:13 < blokkie> Blackbox runs, thunderbird too , it was just that big gnome2 19:13 < rxr> or better just "ls package/" 19:14 < blokkie> okelidokeli 19:14 < rxr> just try "./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2" then 19:14 < blokkie> yes 19:14 < blokkie> allready running :-) 19:15 < blokkie> do I also need to compile 2.6 myself and grab the source from kernel.org , or is there a kernel-2.6.x package patched etc for rock ? 19:15 < blokkie> same for OO.o 19:17 < blokkie> this is great info !! I'll use all this stuff for building AMD iso next week 19:17 < blokkie> AMD64 that is ;-) 19:19 < tfing> rxr: liferea requires gtkhtml-2 and with gnome2, you have upgraded to gtkhtml 3, should i create a new package or compile gtkhtml-2 in liferea or sthg else ? 19:20 < rxr> tfing: no inpackage comilation 19:20 < rxr> create the usual compat package gtkhtml2 or so 19:21 -!- juniorwailing [~juniorwai@as5-3-6.ks.bonet.se] has joined #rocklinux 19:23 [Users #rocklinux] 19:23 [ blindy ] [ fake ] [ lowy ] [ ringo ] [ tfing ] 19:23 [ blokkie ] [ Freak ] [ luckz ] [ rolla ] [ th_ ] 19:23 [ christian_] [ jsaw ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 19:23 [ daja77 ] [ juniorwailing] [ mnemoc ] [ SMP ] [ valentin] 19:23 [ dsoul ] [ kasc ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] 19:23 [ esden ] [ link_ ] [ nookie_ ] [ StefanG] 19:23 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 19:34 < netrunner> rxr: nice as it works fine and supports my exotic hardware 19:35 < rxr> but XFree did the same 19:35 < rxr> X.org is a cp Xfree86 ... 19:37 < netrunner> svn: Unknown hostname 'svn2.rocklinux-consulting.de ?? 19:37 < netrunner> stupid telekom with their nameserver probably 19:38 < netrunner> rxr: afaik they applied some patches that were rejected on the other side. 19:40 < netrunner> now the connection times out :/ 19:41 < blokkie> glut needs tcsh ./Emerge-Pkg -repository x11 fails on this dep , is it wurth that I mention these hickups here ? 19:42 < netrunner> rxr: your svn2 does not reply. also tested from uni. 19:45 < rxr> oehm 19:47 < rxr> ach damn sh*t f*ck 19:47 < rxr> I got some mail that the uni closed nearly all ports due to windows worms 19:47 < rxr> damn - maybe my svn port is now rejected in the global firewall 19:48 < blokkie> yeah .. incidents.org (insecurity's mailinglist about wurms etc) has had alot of traffic the last couple of days 19:53 * netrunner adding svn as svn2 in /etc/hosts :) 19:55 * netrunner found svn resolved 19:56 -!- nookie [~nookie@M348P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 * rxr wrote angry letter to uni sysadmins 19:58 < rxr> incl. offer of replace of Windows machines with ROCK Linux incl. free Administration ... 19:58 < rxr> damn crap 19:58 < rxr> every month the network there get's less usable 19:59 < rxr> someday it is not a network anymore ... 20:02 < blokkie> where is doxygen ? 20:02 < blokkie> it's not in the packages 20:03 < rxr> should be 20:04 < blokkie> ah sorry 20:04 < blokkie> :-) 20:11 < tfing> rxr: forget about the gtkhtml compat stuff, i was mixing gtkhtml and libgtkhtml 20:13 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M298P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:14 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CB32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:16 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D43E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:49 < kasc> has anyone else problems building the new glibc? 20:51 < daja77> re 20:55 -!- juniorwailing [~juniorwai@as5-3-6.ks.bonet.se] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 20:56 < rxr> 2.3.4-cvs ? 20:56 < kasc> yep 20:57 < kasc> got some errors in memcmp.S 20:57 < rxr> you use gcc-3.4 for ti ? 20:58 < kasc> gcc-3.2 20:58 < kasc> gcc-3.4 didnt work for some reason i didnt try to find out, yet ;) 20:58 < rxr> hm - I have not tested this - w/ gcc-3.4 nobody complained here 20:59 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:00 < dsoul> kasc .section .rodata? 21:01 < kasc> something like that, yes 21:01 < dsoul> i had the same problem 21:01 < dsoul> removing this line helps 21:01 < dsoul> but there was other problems with makefiles in stage 3 21:02 < kasc> ../sysdeps/i386/i686/memcmp.S: Assembler messages: 21:02 < kasc> ../sysdeps/i386/i686/memcmp.S:390: Error: can't resolve `.rodata' {.rodata section} - `memcmp' {.text section} 21:02 < kasc> make[2]: *** [/update/trunk/src.glibc23.1085073868.11431.2887588441/glibc-2.3.4-2004-05-01/objdir/string/memcmp.o] Error 1 21:02 < kasc> i dont think, removing it is a good choice 21:03 < dsoul> why? 21:03 < dsoul> in older cvs version memcmp.S didnt have this line 21:05 < rxr> what was the commit text for the commit adding it ? 21:06 < daja77> strange the kdetv package is scheduled right aufter linux24, but build priority seems to be ok 21:07 < dsoul> rxr "Move table to .rodata." 21:08 < dsoul> and only this line was added 21:09 < dsoul> kasc i know its not good that the problem exists but its good that not only i have it :P 21:09 < kasc> hehe 21:10 < rxr> hm 21:10 < dsoul> i thought that its my local problem with some specific config 21:15 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 < MadTux> yo. 21:16 < daja77> sup 21:18 < MadTux> the sky.. and alot of rain, and storms.. 21:18 < MadTux> looks like the end of the world here. 21:18 < MadTux> :) 21:18 < MadTux> there? 21:19 < daja77> sunset, nice and cool 21:19 < MadTux> oh... sprry to hear that. 21:19 < MadTux> sorry* 21:20 < esden> hi ho everyone 21:21 < MadTux> hey esden :) 21:21 < dsoul> hi esden 21:21 < esden> hi MadTux *hug* ;) 21:21 < dsoul> hi MadTux 21:21 < daja77> hi esden 21:21 < esden> hi daja77 21:21 < esden> argl 21:21 < esden> i mean dsoul 21:21 < daja77> ts 21:21 < esden> hi daja77 ... too ;) 21:21 < dsoul> :) 21:22 < esden> sorry ... my brain has currently problems fighting ethanol ;) 21:23 < daja77> *hehe* 21:23 < dsoul> :P 21:23 < esden> how are you guys? 21:24 < daja77> <- fine 21:25 < dsoul> not counting glibc, good :) 21:25 < daja77> glibc never counts 21:28 < kasc> and gcc34 doesnt seem to find my libiberty ... 21:29 < esden> ohh .. glibc is a thing that always has to be filtered out ;) 21:29 < daja77> ack 21:29 < blindy> esden: ethanol? and I was not invited? 21:29 < esden> blindy: it was spontanous ... 21:29 < blindy> esden: I'd have come to munich spontaneous >_< 21:29 < esden> reutter came by ... at my place ... you are always invited ... you know that!!! 21:30 < blindy> yes, I know 21:30 < esden> you can come by whenever you want to ... you are always welcome! 21:31 < esden> and we will drink till our brains contain no gray cells anymore ... only ... erm ... black ... or something similar ;) 21:31 < blindy> heh, I have enough alcohol for about 5 people to get completely wasted 21:31 < esden> hehe ... nice! 21:32 < esden> I really have to visit you another time I am in IN ;) ... we willl have fun ... ;) ... you invite the girls ;) 21:32 < daja77> .oO (#drunklinux) 21:32 < blindy> ok 21:33 < blindy> guess I can get around 3-4 girls 21:33 < esden> ohh nice! 21:33 < blindy> daja77: nah, just been a lousy day, that's all :) 21:33 < daja77> agreed 21:34 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:39 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-130-163.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:40 < nzg> moin 21:40 < daja77> hi ng 21:41 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABE65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:41 * daja77 wondering why two of packages are scheduled between linux24 and linux26 on stage 5 21:41 < daja77> of your 21:41 < blindy> mine? 21:41 < daja77> no nzg 21:41 < blindy> oh 21:42 < nzg> ? 21:43 < nzg> daja77: which ones? 21:43 * blindy --> bed 21:43 < esden> n8 blindy 21:43 < rxr> oh - /me just notices my gcc34 build was w/ debugging symbols ... 21:43 < nzg> n8 blindy 21:43 < rxr> no onder my /home partition is full ... 21:43 < esden> hi nzg 21:44 < daja77> kdetv and splint 21:44 < nzg> moin esden 21:44 < nzg> k, will fix it 21:44 < nzg> thx 21:44 < daja77> np 21:45 < fake> so... 21:45 < fake> livecd sm send only minutes away 21:46 < daja77> nice! 21:46 < daja77> fake: got an order for a special live cd based on rock yesterday 21:48 < lowy> daja77, stop talking to fake , and let him finish his work ;-P 21:48 < daja77> hey lowy 21:48 < lowy> evening :-) 21:48 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 21:48 < dsoul> hi LowLander 21:49 < fake> LowLander: your long-awaited sm send is coming... 21:49 < esden> ok ... I go off to bed now too 21:49 < esden> cu all 21:49 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 21:49 < dsoul> bye esden|zZz 21:52 < nzg> n8 esden 22:03 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #rocklinux 22:08 < mnemoc> rehi 22:08 < daja77> re mnemoc 22:09 < mnemoc> daja77! :) 22:17 < netrunner> re friom da beergarden :*) 22:18 < mnemoc> uhm? 22:20 < mnemoc> what's a beer garden? 22:20 < netrunner> it's like a garden where the beer flows in rivers :) 22:21 < mnemoc> oh =) 22:21 < daja77> no place for me then 22:21 < netrunner> https://www.biergarten.com/ 22:22 < rxr> this damn gdb 22:22 < rxr> how can a debugger be that crappy 22:22 < daja77> rxr: because of the g ... 22:23 < mnemoc> ms makes nice debuggers ;) 22:23 < netrunner> somebody sm sent a whole bunch of updates without cksum to submaster :( now I have to resolve tons of conflicts. 22:23 < daja77> ah you too 22:25 < netrunner> argl. now my dog sits on my lap:/ 22:26 < daja77> rofl 22:26 < daja77> +h 22:26 * daja77 hides 22:27 < nzg> mnemoc: ACK 22:27 < daja77> why they don't use them :D 22:28 < nzg> yes they should, and the should port it to linux 22:28 < mnemoc> yeah :) 22:28 < daja77> ms visual studio on linux *shudder* 22:28 < rxr> I worked with the v6 debugger it sucked, too 22:28 < rxr> daja77: I would not use this crap 22:29 < rxr> daja77: my commercial time writing aircraft CAD stuff with it was my unproductivst developer time 22:29 < rxr> this damn studio sucked mayorly 22:29 < nzg> rxr: why? it has all features one want to have in a debugger 22:29 < daja77> debuggers are for whimps *gd&r* 22:29 < rxr> maybe the newer ones are better - that was v6 22:30 < nzg> i use v6 mostly for debugging 22:30 < blokkie> si there a place where I can find more info about the creation of a config file to build a ISO ? 22:31 < rxr> the version 6 things sucks even more than gdb 22:32 < nzg> i prefer to see all current vars when the debugger fires up instead of typing something at the gdb-prompt 22:32 < daja77> for my last project i could not use a debugger anyway 22:33 < nzg> it saves time if you get the information you want without doing anything 22:35 < netrunner> damn, shouldn't commit stuff after beergarden ... "added a gscheides Makefile" ;) 22:39 < nzg> ;-) 22:39 < nzg> offline again 22:40 < nzg> cya 22:40 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-145-254-130-163.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 22:43 < daja77> lol netrunner 22:44 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-92-220.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit ["tattaa"] 22:48 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-92-220.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 22:48 < ringo> can I download individual binary packages from ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/official/stable/2.0.0/desktop/drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso somewhere ? 22:50 < netrunner> youp. mkdir /mnt/tmp; mount -o loop /drock-2.0.0-final-clt-rev2490-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso; descend into /mnt/tmp/*/pkgs and go on :) 22:51 < ringo> yups know that but I dont want to download the whole iso. 22:52 < ringo> I thought maybe they are somewhere online... 22:52 < netrunner> probably not. you can download the src and build it yourself. 22:53 < ringo> sounds fun ... The IŽll have to wait untill tomorrow to get some cdŽs to packup an allmost unused part. 22:54 < blokkie> :-) 22:54 < blokkie> I like the /opt/e17 dir 22:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABE65.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:56 < ringo> copying 3,5 gig then IŽll have an empy part ... 22:59 < fake> LowLander: it's up 23:00 < LowLander> cool :-) 23:05 < rxr> fake: livecd somewhere? 23:18 < fake> rxr: in sm 23:19 < fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004052021514904062 23:19 < fake> and 23:19 < fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004052022023504269 23:20 < mnemoc> i think he was asking for an iso :) 23:23 < rxr> yes - I was 23:24 < rxr> I think I just tag 2.0.1 now 23:25 < rxr> and then we can finally pull all the other wanna haves from trunk and rebuild our ISOs ... 23:31 < blokkie> some people say building from source is not wurth the effort, well, rocklinux proves the diff. Thunderbird and firefox are super fast and all other apps I've tried are 2/3 faster then anything I've seen before 23:31 * daja77 currently rebuilding 23:32 < rxr> blokkie: this is nice to hear ;-)! 23:32 < rxr> maybe I add your comment to the "Happy user" part of the homepage ? 23:32 < blokkie> oh, maybe , but for me it's extremely nice to see the big diff !! 23:33 < blokkie> yes, please do , it's so obvious :-) 23:33 < daja77> oh i fear i have to fix gcc2 soon 23:33 < rxr> for gcc-3.4 ? 23:33 < daja77> yes 23:33 < rxr> blokkie: you use the exact optimizaion setting for your CPU? 23:33 < rxr> daja77: also saw this ... ,) 23:34 < blokkie> yes , I used 32lib and replaced GENERIC with AMD athlon XP 23:34 < rxr> clifford asked if it is worth it - or if we just should kick gcc-2.95 ... 23:34 < daja77> rxr: well I'd like to kick this crap out, thing is I still need it :( 23:34 < rxr> yeah - I also would like to keep it for reference 23:34 < rxr> blokkie: you did not changed the expert settings I guess? 23:35 < blokkie> nope 23:35 < blokkie> I'm no expert dear 23:35 < blokkie> I've just changed the CPU parameters 23:36 < blokkie> when I'm chrooting into my AMD64 hw , I'll poke the expert part , but that is for later this week 23:37 < rxr> so you optimize for size (-Os instead of -O2) - unlike other people always pretend this is normally a major performance boost, due to increased binary size and less CPU cache dirtyness) 23:37 < blokkie> yes 23:37 < rxr> ouhm - amd64 might not yet compile very nicely - cause onone here has the hardware to devel on ... 23:38 < blokkie> rxr: My idea was, as I was here before asking about amd64 bit stuff, that I make a chrooted env, build the basics and setup sshd , then give ssh access to those who need it here 23:39 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D43E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:39 < mnemoc> that can work :) 23:39 < blokkie> if I cannot commit code , or help debugging coz I just don't understand everything, I just might help rock by giving access to HW 23:41 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CD28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:41 < blokkie> My intention is, to make a 30 Gig slice for rock , put on 10 gig Mandrake-AMD64 , and chroot into the 30 gig , then set up the base and reboot in rock once it's build 23:43 < rxr> you could just install a 32bit ROCK ... 23:43 < rxr> or I could finally fix cross-compiling for amd64 ... 23:43 < rxr> so it finally has no build errors anymore ... 23:44 < rxr> (and at the same time add PowerPC64 ...) 23:44 -!- ringo [~ringo@ip51cf58c9.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["..."] 23:47 < blokkie> well , I just mkfs a big HD slice , cp the scripts etc to it , and chroot . Then ./Emerge-Pkg from there after the ./Config 23:47 < blokkie> or I don't know if there is a better way , to get a _native_ 64bit version ? 23:48 < blokkie> sshd can be set up in the mdk32 bit version 23:48 < blokkie> just a matter of what is best 23:53 < mnemoc> cross build only include stages 1-2 23:54 < mnemoc> then a native build is far more complete 23:57 < rxr> blokkie: Emerge-Pkg always builds into the running system 23:57 < rxr> for new stand-alone builds you want Build-Target 23:58 < blokkie> ok 23:58 < blokkie> I might ask some stuff when I set the env up , I hope you all dont mind --- Log closed Fri May 21 00:00:06 2004